Wednesday, May 30, 2012
LQNPA 5/30/12 # 111: While the Cat’s Away, Poor Goose is Cooked!
La Que No Podía Amar Capitulo 111, 5/30/12
While the Cat’s Away, Poor Goose is Cooked!
Rogelio and Ana Paula are in Tuxtla, making preparations and tests for Rogelio’s spinal operation - if they can manage to get a loan or insurance coverage for it, that is. Cynthia and Gustavo have been left in charge of the hacienda, and Gustavo is putting his foot down about Cynthia staying there to take responsibility even though she desperately wanted to run off to Tuxtla to help with Mercedes’ wedding instead. Goose is not in a good mood these days - his ditzy, irresponsible wife is becoming too big a handful. María has found out the true nature of Cynthia’s relationship with Efraín, but Cynthia managed to convince her to guard the secret for now. Efraín has been very aggressive toward Cynthia, but she convinced him that they can’t just run away like he’s insisting because she’s not leaving her inheritance behind. Poor Margarito is forbidden by uppity Tía to play with the farm hands anymore since he is now the patroncito. Ana Paula finds out directly from Vainessa’s mother, that she (Elsa) in fact caused her father’s death by denying him his heart pills when he had his attack. Later, Vainy denied knowing that she had any idea what her mother did. Two-faced Vainy is playing the repentant sister claiming that learning what her mother did has opened her eyes. She is attempting to get on Ana Paula’s good side, offering to take Ana Paula to visit her fathers ashes, and even offering to loan the money Rogelio needs for his operation and for the hacienda.
Refrito: Cynthia’s grade school speech to the ganaderos and Ana Paula arguing with Vainy about a loan to Rogelio. Rogelio returns to the table, and Vainy pushes really hard with the loan idea and sucking up to AP. Rogelio observes with Vainessa and Ana Paula talking like that - it looks like you two are great friends.
Nuevo: At the restaurant table Vainy is still trying to score points by offering to loan Ana Paula and Rogelio the money they need to borrow. It looks like über-naive AP has been at least partially suckered by Vain’s hoodwink-my-sister campaign, thinking that Vainy is willing to work together to reconcile as was their father’s dying wish. Vainy even offers to take AP to visit her, um, their father’s remains. Rogelio, however, appears quite skeptical. He apparently does not trust Vainy on this point, and neither does Viewerville. We know she has already sworn to make Rogelio and AP miserable or die trying, and if anyone is motivated by venganza (revenge), Vainy is.
Back at the hacienda, Tía, who wouldn’t let Margaro pay fútbol with the ranch hands, is making a poor substitute, and then complaining about her weak heart. Fortunately Miguel (who, as Tío, qualifies as an acceptable playmate) shows up to take over and starts showing off soccer moves every young man aspires to master. Margaro comments to Miguel that his aunt is a little odd. Miguel concurs.
At the restaurant Vainy excuses herself to take a call from the rest home of her mother. Rogelio tells Ana Paula that he doesn’t want to accept a loan from Vainy as he doesn’t want that kind of obligation to her. Ana Paula is very relieved that they see eye to eye on this point. Rogelio doesn’t want AP to be worried about the lack of money. He’s just going to have to go to a bigger bank. AP points out that they already visited the largest bank in Tuxtla.....
Upstairs in the hacienda, things aren’t going so well. Goose is learning that getting Cynthia to actually work on anything is like pulling teeth. Cynthia just won’t take things seriously and uses any excuse to evade the work. Goose angrily lectures Cynthia: “You have to make an effort!” Apparently she didn’t handle the meeting with the cattlemen very well, looking bored and acting rude. Cynthia complains that she doesn’t understand half of what they are talking about, and they go on and on. Goose tells her everything they had to say was important, and she needs to listen to what they say as that’s how she’ll learn. Cynthia seems to think the meeting came out OK, so what’s the big deal? Well, anyway, she’s off for a ride, she’ll catch Goose in the livestock pens later. A peck on his lips and out she flounces. Goose’s face is a portrait of disappointed frustration.
Vainy follows through on her promise to take AP to the niche where their father Federico's ashes are kept. AP is very, very grateful because she never expected to be able to pray over her father’s remains. Vainy apologizes for having denied her access before, and reiterates that they will never know what really happened. AP says her conscience is clear, and if Elsa really did what she said, then obviously she was ill which must be really bad for Vainy.
Esteban visits Goose at the hacienda and they have a heart-to-heart. Goose pours out his frustrations with Cynthia. He is really trying to help her. He wants her to learn to be independent, and he feels this is part of the commitment he made to her. Wise Esteban points out that first, you can’t go through life trying to improve other people, and second, promises lose their validity when the happiness of each person is at stake: “And you, Gustavo, you are NOT happy!”
In the hotel in Tuxtla, AP relates to Rogelio how meaningful it was for her to visit her father’s remains and have that closure. “Vainessa has been behaving very well towards me.” she tells him. “Well, it’s the least she could do after Elsa accused you of being responsible for your father’s death!” replies Rogelio. AP wonders if Elsa could even have been capable of killing her father like that. Rogelio says they will never know, but AP should take comfort that it wasn’t her fault. AP is ready to pack her suitcase, as she’s anxious to return home to Margarito. Rogelio tells her to pack, but they aren’t returning home. Tomorrow they are going to the capitol (Mexico City). Surprise!
Cynthia and Goose are dining alone at the hacienda. Goose coldly asks for the salt. “Are you still mad about the meeting?” chides Cynthia. “It’s not just the meeting, Cynthia” says Goose, as Cynthia groans childishly in annoyance, “You aren’t coming to understand that this is something that you can’t take lightly. There are a million weighty matters at stake, and if something happens [to the hacienda], you won’t be able to continue enjoying all these luxuries.” Cynthia just doesn’t get it: “Yes. It’s not that I’m not taking it seriously,” complains Cynthia, “but if I don’t understand half the things, how do you think I’m supposed to participate?” Goose tells her that they have to learn together, and they have to demonstrate to her brother that he did the right thing by giving her her inheritance. María comes in carrying the dessert course. Cynthía tells Goose that she promises, that starting tomorrow, she’ll work like crazy, and make a huge effort so he can be proud of her. She takes a big swig of her wine, announces that right now she’s got to call his sister because she’s got some great ideas for the wedding party, and takes off after kissing Goose on the cheek. Goose can only sigh. [Dude, I’d feel sorry for you but you hadn't been so dang rash and pig-headed about hooking up with Cynthia. Too bad it didn’t work out for ya. BTW, there is a psychological term for Cynthia’s modus operandi with respect to the hacienda: it's called learned helplessness.]
A frustrated Goose invites María to sit at the table with him: “I don’t understand Cynthia. I thought she was completely different and that she was going to work with me, that she was going to make an effort, but it has been the complete opposite.” “You have to understand that she is a young lady of the house that has never done anything: she didn’t study, she’s not used to working,” María explains. “But she’s not a child anymore!” protests Goose, “I understand she had a difficult childhood, but that’s in the past. She has her inheritance now. She also has the example of a hardworking mother like you.” María points out out that she doubts Cynthia sees her as an example, as she believes María abandoned her. Goose asks what really happened, and, accompanied by echoing flashbacks, María relates the sad story of how Señor Montero took the child from her and gave it to his wife who wanted a daughter and could no longer have children. The only option María had was to remain a servant in the household where she could only love Cynthia from afar. Goose points out that sure, the Montero’s could give Cynthia everything, except what she needed most - a mother’s love. “I had no recourse against the patrón. You have no idea how difficult it was to see her grow up - so close, yet so far away. Her father made her think she didn’t have to work, that she deserved everything by just moving a finger.” explains María. María begs Goose to be very patient with Cynthia, to please give her what she has never felt - true love.
It’s the next morning. Oh - we’re in Mexico City already! (This is where the “bigger bank” is located). Rogelio and Ana Paula are at a restaurant. AP is impressed with the big city, but she so misses Margarito and wishes he were there to enjoy the city with them. And just like that, Hilda shows up with Margarito. Happy, happy!!! AP loves this surprise. Time for the family unit to go explore the city!
Back at the hacienda, María scolds Cynthia for being out so long riding in the morning. She neglected to join her husband and breakfast, and poor Goose is out handling the hacienda matters all on his own. He’s with the vet in the stock pens at the moment. Cynthia doesn’t like María criticizing her for not looking out for the hacienda. María pleads with Cynthia to spend more time with her husband so she can learn what she needs to know. Cynthia shuts down the lecture: “enough already!”
The Rogelio family unit is discussing their exciting tourist options over breakfast. Hilda announces that she has an exciting new job offer in the north of the country. Margarito wheels Rogelio off to go see the colorful turkeys in the garden. Rogelio corrects him that they are pavos reales (peacocks). Hilda takes advantage of their absence to ask AP to take care of Rogelio since he loves her above all things. AP assures Hilda that his great love is very much returned.
Back at the hacienda, the vet is leaving when Cynthia joins Goose on the grounds. Cynthia asks why the vet was there. “If you were interested in knowing that, you would have been here, not out riding.” Goose scolds. Cynthia doesn’t think her presence was that indispensable - or was it? Goose tells Cynthia, he thought she wanted to show Rogelio she could indeed run the hacienda. “That’s right!” reassures Cynthia. “Well, it seems to me you just pay lip service to the idea!” Goose tells her. “Of course not!” argues Cynthia. “Well, get to work! How do you think Rogelio has accomplished all he has with the hacienda. Work! Even as a paraplegic,” lectures Goose. “Are you going to tell me you admire him?” asks Cynthia incredulously. “With respect to his work? Yes, a lot.” says Goose. Goose can tell that compared to what their father left, Rogelio has made a huge effort to grow the hacienda. Cynthia looks unhappy to hear this, and then flounces off pouting. Goose looks grim.
Back in Mexico City, Hilda makes her final goodbye. Rogelio heads off to his bank appointment, and Rogelio puts Hugo in charge of taking AP and Margarito to see the sights.
Back at the fonda in San Gabriel, Ulises is yawning in his shop. He complains to Chío about not being able to sleep - none of the home remedies have worked, he can’t stop thinking about all that has happened. Chío will ask Mercedes what she recommends, and she encourages Ulises to at least get some exercise, but he’s too busy and not in the mood for such things. As Chío leaves, Efraín checks out her backside and grunts, then comes in the store. He makes a crude remark about Ulises seeing another woman, so obviously he doesn’t miss Macaria. Esteban arrives in time to hear Efraín tell Ulises that rumors in town has it he’s been seeing Chío. Ulises threatens that if Efraín messes with them he’ll put him in his place!
Back in Mexico City - AP and Margarito have a great time at the big playground (looks like it’s at Chapultepec Park). Rogelio at the bank finds out that his credit has been pre-approved, and all they need is to generate the paperwork and get signatures. Rogelio calls Goose at the hacienda to let him know he got the loan, so next week work on the well can begin. How are things back at the ranch? Long suffering Goose assures Rogelio that when he returns, everything will be in order. Rogelio thanks him.
Mercedes and Dani are at the fonda organizing the health campaign. Consuelo comes up to find out when Ernesto will return, she’s worried about Ulises. He’s not eating or taking care of himself, and having trouble sleeping. Mercedes offers to talk to him.
Outside the fonda Esteban is talking to Chío. Esteban all worried that people are talking about her hanging out with a married Ulises. Chío doesn’t care what other people think - she knows how things are. Esteban is worried someone will insult her. Chío says she’s not going to avoid Ulises, he’s a great man and needs her support at the moment. With a smile she kisses Esteban’s cheek goodbye and takes her leave.
At the hacienda, Goose instructs Efraín to have an area cleared for the materials for constructing the well. Insolent Efraín hadn’t heard anything from the patrón, and he only receives his orders from the patrón! Goose tells him that he’s giving the orders, and they’re to be obeyed, or else he’ll kick Efraín out of the hacienda. When Rogelio returns, they’ll see who Rogelio says is right. [I think he’s got you there, Efraín!]
It’s evening. At the hacienda Dani is talking to AP over the phone: “What do you mean the person who killed Don Federico was Vainessa’s mother?” Tía Rosaura and Miguel are listening in. When she gets off the phone, Tia jumps all over Dani about it. “What do you mean that Elsa killed Federico!” she screams. Dani explains that essentially Elsa has lost her mind.
It’s been a long day at the hacienda. Cynthia prepares Goose a special cheese and fruit tray, served with lit candles in their bedroom. Cynthia knows he’s worked hard today, so she’s going to spoil him a bit. And she starts massaging his neck and serves him some of the food. Then she seductively excuses herself to take a bath. “I’ll wait for you here,” Goose tells her.
A while later, Cynthia comes out of the bathroom dressed in a red negligee and robe, rubbing her hands with lotion. She takes off her robe seductively in front of the bed. When she turns around, Goose is curled up on the tiny couch fast asleep. She tries to wake him up, but poor Goose is down for the count! LOL! So much for a romantic evening!
Full moon at night, then next morning. Back at the San Gabriel fonda Mercedes comes in to join a very tired-looking zombie Goose at a table: “How are you?” “Exhausted!” says Goose. He’s having to take care of hacienda matters as well as his duties for the water commission. Mercedes wants to know how it’s going with Cynthia. Goose tells her he doesn’t know what’s going to happen with her, or even if he’ll be able to stand the year they are supposed to be married: “Look, I wanted to start a new life with Cynthia, but with the daily living together, I’m starting to doubt we can be happy!” Mercedes is very sorry to hear it, she really thought Cynthia could make him happy. “We’re really different,” explains Goose, “I’m starting to discover things about her that I don’t like at all.” “If things are not going well, take care,” Mercedes advises, “You don’t want her to end up getting pregnant.” “No, no, she’s taking care of herself ,” Goose assures Mercedes [i.e. using birth control - wanna bet?], “I can’t bring a child into this world when in reality our relationship is not going well at all.” But Goose tells Mercedes he’s dying to have a niece or nephew! It’s Mercedes fondest hope to have a child by Ernesto.
More tourist scenes of Mexico City to the sounds of AP and Rogelio’s theme song. The family unit plus Hugo are enjoying wandering the sights, cotton candy in hand visiting museums. Margarito is having a lot of fun taking pictures with the phone camera.
Back at the hacienda, the witch (Vainessa) hauls her huge pink suitcase up the steps to the hacienda veranda. Tía Rosaura jumps on her case: “I can’t believe you are so brazen as to show up here!” Vainy claims it’s none of her business, as it’s not her house. Tía asserts her position as aunt to Rogelio’s wife, and then blasts Vainy that she must be really sad about her mother: “Who would have thought she’d be a murderer!” Vainy claims it’s untrue and hate how this small town is so gossipy. Rosaura points out that it’s easily avoided by her returning to Tuxtla. “No way,” says Vainy. Rosaura mocks Vainy as to how she made fun of Miguel being in jail, and now look at how her mother turned out! Vainy claims that they don’t even know if it’s truth - her mother just spoke that way because she has bad nerves. “Bad nerves? Or bad in the head? You’d better be careful.” warns Rosaura. “Careful of what?” asks Vainessa. “One of these days - you too could end up being crazy! “ replies Tía as she makes the apparently universal circular hand signal for crazy and then walks off with a loud, deliciously naughty witchy laugh. All Vainy can do is glare after her. [This poor woman really has the ugliest lips, and her nasty sneery trash talking calls total attention to them.]
Goose and Esteban are at a table at the fonda. Goose assures Esteban that Ulises and Chío don’t have a relationship. Goose wonders if Esteban might be jealous. “You know how it is,” says Esteban “small town, big scandal. Yes, it bothers me a little.” Goose points out that unless Esteban is in love with Chío, he needs to stay out of it and not hurt her again. Besides, Goose doesn’t think Ulises would get involved with Chío as Ulises is married and still getting over the break-up with his wife. Esteban is still worried that Ulises, being so depressed, might seek consolation in Chío in spite of being married.
At the hacienda, María is walking with Cynthia carrying the uneaten cheese tray. “What happened? He didn’t like it?” asks María. “It didn’t do me any good to prepare all this because he fell asleep on me!” complains Cynthia. María points out that Goose has been working very hard. “It’s the limit,” complains Cynthia, “Gustavo working here meanwhile Rogelio is off having a good time with Paula in Mexico City!” María points out that Rogelio has worked very hard for many years at the hacienda. It’s good that he and Paula are alone. And Goose with Cynthia as well! Cynthia doesn’t see the use with Goose working so hard he falls asleep.... and they run into Vainessa. Cynthia dismisses María to take away the stuff and asks Vainy what’s going on. Vainy feels like everything is going to hell. First, her mother told Paula about her denying Federico the pills which caused his death. And then Rogelio and Paula wouldn’t accept her offer of a loan, which she had hoped to use to compromise Rogelio. “Well, if they don’t want the loan, loan the money to me” urges Cynthia.
At another restaurant in Mexico city, Ana Paula comes in to join Rogelio. Margarito stayed behind with Hugo because he wanted to stay longer in the plaza. Rogelio surreptitiously pulls a pink rose out of the table flower arrangement and hands it to AP. She thanks him, and lets him know that with the flower and the fact that they are so happy together, is so important to her unlike that necklace of diamonds that made her feel like his property on display when she wore it. Rogelio admits that it was dumb of him to ever think he could win her love giving her something like that. AP reminds him that she’s with him now, because of his interactions with her, and because she knows he’s a good and generous man of integrity, and she kisses him. Rogelio is so overcome with joy and the good state of their relationship, that he asks her to marry him in the church.
Back at the hacienda, Vainessa wonders why Cynthia wants that money. “For the hacienda, of course!” answers Cynthia. Vainessa stalls: “Well, lets see how it goes with Rogelio getting the loan” and then distracts Cynthia by asking about her and Goose. Cynthia admits that with Goose, every day is getting worse. Like, he fell asleep on her last night!
In the restaurant, Ana Paula admits that having a church sanctioned marriage is very important to her, as God has never let her down, so she accepts. She tells Rogelio that she is happy and very much in love. Some musicians stroll over, and Rogelio invites Ana Paula to choose a song. Ana Paula blows Rogelio away by personally serenading him with “Tu Me Acostumbraste”
Lyrics to Tu Me Acostumbraste (You Got Me Used To..):
Tu me acostumbraste - You got me used to
A todas esas cosas - All of those things,
Y tu me enseñaste - And you taught me
Que son maravillosas - How wonderful they are.
Sutil llegaste a mi - Subtly you came to me
Como una tentación - Like a temptation
Llenando de ansiedad - Filling with anxiety
Mi corazón. - my heart.
Yo no comprendia - I didn't understand
Como se quería - how one loved
En tu mundo raro - In your strange world
Y por ti aprendí - And because of you I learned.
Por eso me pregunto - For that reason I ask myself
Al ver que me olvidaste - Upon seeing you forgot me
Por qué no me enseñaste - Why you didn't teach me
Como se vive sin ti? - How one lives without you?
Avances: The church wedding announcement causes aftershocks. Someone is shooting a pistol.
Vocabulario:
trato - deal, dealings, treatment, personal relationship, interaction
convivencia - living together, coexistence
agotado - exhausted, worn-out
¡no te pases de lista conmigo! - don’t try to outsmart/pull a fast one on me! [Efraín to Cynthia in ep #110]
pasarse de listo - be too clever for one’s own good or to try to pull a fast one
tomar a la ligera - to take lightly/carelessly/without due care
tomar en serio - to take seriously
en juego - in play; at stake
hablar de dientes para afuera - to pay lip service
de dientes para afuera - insincerely
echar(le) ganas - to make an effort
todo lo contrario - quite the opposite/reverse
a partir de manaña - from tomorrow on (or starting tomorrow)
pueblo chico, inferno grande - the smaller the town, the bigger the scandal. Apparently this was also the name of a Mexican telenovela broadcast in 1997 and staring Juan Soler - translated more literally as “Little Town, Big Hell”
cuidarse - to take care of yourself. Commonly used in telenovelas as a euphemism for using birth control.
Here was a good one that I understood exactly what Goose meant in context, but it took me a while to figure out how to express it accurately and naturally in English:
Tú no terminas de entender que esto es algo que no puedas tomar a la ligera.
You aren’t coming to understand that this is something that you can’t take lightly.
Vocabulario:
trato - deal, dealings, treatment, personal relationship, interaction
convivencia - living together, coexistence
agotado - exhausted, worn-out
¡no te pases de lista conmigo! - don’t try to outsmart/pull a fast one on me! [Efraín to Cynthia in ep #110]
pasarse de listo - be too clever for one’s own good or to try to pull a fast one
tomar a la ligera - to take lightly/carelessly/without due care
tomar en serio - to take seriously
en juego - in play; at stake
hablar de dientes para afuera - to pay lip service
de dientes para afuera - insincerely
echar(le) ganas - to make an effort
todo lo contrario - quite the opposite/reverse
a partir de manaña - from tomorrow on (or starting tomorrow)
pueblo chico, inferno grande - the smaller the town, the bigger the scandal. Apparently this was also the name of a Mexican telenovela broadcast in 1997 and staring Juan Soler - translated more literally as “Little Town, Big Hell”
cuidarse - to take care of yourself. Commonly used in telenovelas as a euphemism for using birth control.
Here was a good one that I understood exactly what Goose meant in context, but it took me a while to figure out how to express it accurately and naturally in English:
Tú no terminas de entender que esto es algo que no puedas tomar a la ligera.
You aren’t coming to understand that this is something that you can’t take lightly.
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The vocabulary you provided is fantastic! I thank you very much!!
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: Thu May 31, 01:25:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 01:25:00 AM EDT
Audrey, I agree with anonymous. The vocabulary is fantastic! Thanks for not only providing an excellent recounting of our story but adding the extra learning as well. It's appreciated.
"Goose’s face is a portrait of disappointed frustration."
What a great line to sum up poor Guscake's life right now. It really sucks to be Gus.
Ooooh, BTW, I know it was a typo type error:
"Goose tells Mercedes he’s dying to have a niece or nephew! It’s Mercedes fondest hope to have a child by Esteban."
But wow, I think that would be the end of the Mersnotty- Ernesto wedding plans! LOL!
"Goose’s face is a portrait of disappointed frustration."
What a great line to sum up poor Guscake's life right now. It really sucks to be Gus.
Ooooh, BTW, I know it was a typo type error:
"Goose tells Mercedes he’s dying to have a niece or nephew! It’s Mercedes fondest hope to have a child by Esteban."
But wow, I think that would be the end of the Mersnotty- Ernesto wedding plans! LOL!
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 02:34:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 02:34:00 AM EDT
Oops! Thanks for catching that - I knew the closeness of the two names would catch me up one day! LOL! Fixed.
Thanks, Audrey and all recappers. I am getting to travel in Europe for two weeks, but missing my novela. Have to sneak away now and then to read recaps.
Vanesa, hmmm. I do wonder how they will resolve her place in this morality tale.
Vanesa, hmmm. I do wonder how they will resolve her place in this morality tale.
I only caught the final scene and I am so so glad you provided the lyrics! Thank you!
Does anyone know if that was Ana Brenda Contreras singing? It appeared she was lip syncing, but I assumed that was because of sound/recording issues.
Does anyone know if that was Ana Brenda Contreras singing? It appeared she was lip syncing, but I assumed that was because of sound/recording issues.
Nice recap. I like the vocabulary so much.
Sara, yes, it was Ana Brenda singing.
It was her second song for this novela
Alegria
Sara, yes, it was Ana Brenda singing.
It was her second song for this novela
Alegria
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 07:22:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 07:22:00 AM EDT
Great recap, Audrey, I do enjoyed this with breakfast, and the bonus of the vocab, thank you! I keep meaning to keep a file with all these expressions.
All these novelas are morality tales, it is one of the things that fascinates me about them. Although sometimes the morality is a little weird.
All these novelas are morality tales, it is one of the things that fascinates me about them. Although sometimes the morality is a little weird.
Great recap! I studied Spanish for years but I usually see something new in the vocab. Thanks.
For this line:
"You aren’t coming to understand that this is something that you can’t take lightly."
I would say "You don't understand..." or even "You don't realize..." even though he didn't say "No te das cuenta..." The way it's written is awkward English.
Rogelio is beginning to grow on me and I swore at the start of this novela I would never like the douchebag.
For this line:
"You aren’t coming to understand that this is something that you can’t take lightly."
I would say "You don't understand..." or even "You don't realize..." even though he didn't say "No te das cuenta..." The way it's written is awkward English.
Rogelio is beginning to grow on me and I swore at the start of this novela I would never like the douchebag.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 08:05:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 08:05:00 AM EDT
Good work, Audrey, and great vocabulary. I think a glossary of idiomatic phrases is called for.
There is one other name error: AP and Vain's father was Federico, not Fernando.
With regard to Goosetavo and contraception: I'm predicting Sinthia will let Efrain knock her up and try to pass the baby off as a gosling. She won't like being pregnant, either. She'll be more entitled and lazy than ever.
That her father raised her to be so entitled really puzzles me. Was that specifically so she would eventually treat Maria like basura? Which still makes very little sense. I also doubt that he treated his wife like a queen.
Learned helplessness is just as pathetic as affected helplessness. The Goose is cooked on this and I hope he rats her out to Rogelio. Even Vainessa learned to run a business, after all.
I hope they show Margarito looking at the pavos reales; I love those birds. I'll bet he never even saw pictures of them before this.
While Vainessa might deserve the taunts, Tia MentiRosa really doesn't see where any line is drawn.
There is one other name error: AP and Vain's father was Federico, not Fernando.
With regard to Goosetavo and contraception: I'm predicting Sinthia will let Efrain knock her up and try to pass the baby off as a gosling. She won't like being pregnant, either. She'll be more entitled and lazy than ever.
That her father raised her to be so entitled really puzzles me. Was that specifically so she would eventually treat Maria like basura? Which still makes very little sense. I also doubt that he treated his wife like a queen.
Learned helplessness is just as pathetic as affected helplessness. The Goose is cooked on this and I hope he rats her out to Rogelio. Even Vainessa learned to run a business, after all.
I hope they show Margarito looking at the pavos reales; I love those birds. I'll bet he never even saw pictures of them before this.
While Vainessa might deserve the taunts, Tia MentiRosa really doesn't see where any line is drawn.
Omg the final scene with Ana singing to Rogelio was totally unexpected for me! I never thought she could sing.! It was sooo beautiful! That scene literally had me at the edge of my seat! <3333 WOW. If Rogelio was in love with Ana before imagine now??? How could he ever go back to Vanessa or any other woman after that?!
@ Alegria what do you mean that was the second song Ana sang in the novela? What was the first one?
Pink Angel
@ Alegria what do you mean that was the second song Ana sang in the novela? What was the first one?
Pink Angel
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 08:54:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 08:54:00 AM EDT
Ana Brenda recorded the song "No puedo amar" for this novela. You could hear it when she was pregnant. It is easy to find the song on youtube. But be careful, some videos can be with spoilers.
Alegria
Alegria
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 09:03:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 09:03:00 AM EDT
Here is the one song I've ever heard Jorge sing (although it's a trio). He's the best-dressed in this one.
Better video of the same song here and an answer from Nora Salinas (no relation I'm sure).
Does anyone else think that Ana Brenda looks like a younger version of Elizabeth Alvarez?
Better video of the same song here and an answer from Nora Salinas (no relation I'm sure).
Does anyone else think that Ana Brenda looks like a younger version of Elizabeth Alvarez?
Audrey: Excellent recap and thanks for the vocab.
Vanessa's lips - what the hell! Where did those things come from?
No, UA, I don't think Ana Brenda looks like a young Elizabeth Álvarez. Sorry.
So goes Hilda and so goes the romance with Bruno.
Vanessa's lips - what the hell! Where did those things come from?
No, UA, I don't think Ana Brenda looks like a young Elizabeth Álvarez. Sorry.
So goes Hilda and so goes the romance with Bruno.
Alegria- thanks!
We were just talking about young Elizabeth on the Abismo thread. Lupe from UFCS looks like a young Elizabeth to me.
We were just talking about young Elizabeth on the Abismo thread. Lupe from UFCS looks like a young Elizabeth to me.
Thanks much UA - I fixed Federico's name. At least I was consistent in my error LOL!
Hi Sue455: The sentence in Spanish uses "Tú no terminas de (en?) entender..", "terminar en entender" would be translated as "to end up (or wind up) understanding". It's the negative form that is awkward in English, because we would never say "You don't end up understanding" or "You aren't ending up understanding" in English. That's why I changed it to "You aren't coming to understand". Of course, the more natural modern English thing to say would be something like - "You don't get that this isn't something you can just blow off." Still awkward.
Who knows why Iván Montero raised Cynthia to be a lazy queen. It seems like he didn't otherwise treat her well at all - neglected, unappreciated, under-educated. That doesn't seem consistent with spoiled princesa. Cynthia's spoiled lazy princesa persona seems to be more related to her personally compensating for having been horribly neglected rather than anyone telling her she deserved to be a Montero queen.
Hi Sue455: The sentence in Spanish uses "Tú no terminas de (en?) entender..", "terminar en entender" would be translated as "to end up (or wind up) understanding". It's the negative form that is awkward in English, because we would never say "You don't end up understanding" or "You aren't ending up understanding" in English. That's why I changed it to "You aren't coming to understand". Of course, the more natural modern English thing to say would be something like - "You don't get that this isn't something you can just blow off." Still awkward.
Who knows why Iván Montero raised Cynthia to be a lazy queen. It seems like he didn't otherwise treat her well at all - neglected, unappreciated, under-educated. That doesn't seem consistent with spoiled princesa. Cynthia's spoiled lazy princesa persona seems to be more related to her personally compensating for having been horribly neglected rather than anyone telling her she deserved to be a Montero queen.
Thanks for the recap AND the vocabulary.
I had to make a cheat sheet reference Ernesto and Esteban! Too many men with "E" names. At least I can separate Efrain.
I had to make a cheat sheet reference Ernesto and Esteban! Too many men with "E" names. At least I can separate Efrain.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 10:27:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 10:27:00 AM EDT
Great recap Audrey.
It was nice that Rogelio, Ana Paula and Margarito got away from the hacienda for a while. I can see how Mexico City would be amazing for them, I bet they never saw so many people together in one place.
Count me in as not feeling sorry for Gustavo as he realizes what a horrible person Cinthia is. That's why you get for marrying on a whim to be close to your married ex.
I saw Ana Brenda in the musical play "Aladino" a few years ago, she played the Jazmin role for the tour on the states so that's the part I saw her in, although I think she played a different role during the shows in Mexico City. I posted this video of her singing during Teresa but some might not have seen it then, she has a nice voice.
Jarocha
It was nice that Rogelio, Ana Paula and Margarito got away from the hacienda for a while. I can see how Mexico City would be amazing for them, I bet they never saw so many people together in one place.
Count me in as not feeling sorry for Gustavo as he realizes what a horrible person Cinthia is. That's why you get for marrying on a whim to be close to your married ex.
I saw Ana Brenda in the musical play "Aladino" a few years ago, she played the Jazmin role for the tour on the states so that's the part I saw her in, although I think she played a different role during the shows in Mexico City. I posted this video of her singing during Teresa but some might not have seen it then, she has a nice voice.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 10:33:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 10:33:00 AM EDT
FYI on the idiomatic phrases and translations:
If my dictionary fails (and it includes quite a few "adverbial phrases" as it calls them), I go search in the Word Reference Forum forum.wordreference.com . Actually, just doing a Google search on a phrase often brings up the links for the phrase in that forum. There are lots of discussions of idiomatic phrases, and many of them are specifically Mexican.
The dictionary I use the most is the Word Magic Spanish-English Reference Dictionary app on my iPad. It covers a huge number of cases and phrases, and it's only when a phrase is elaborate that I end up searching with Google.
If my dictionary fails (and it includes quite a few "adverbial phrases" as it calls them), I go search in the Word Reference Forum forum.wordreference.com . Actually, just doing a Google search on a phrase often brings up the links for the phrase in that forum. There are lots of discussions of idiomatic phrases, and many of them are specifically Mexican.
The dictionary I use the most is the Word Magic Spanish-English Reference Dictionary app on my iPad. It covers a huge number of cases and phrases, and it's only when a phrase is elaborate that I end up searching with Google.
Oh, but the video is about her singing with Yuri during a party at her home that was showed on webcam for Yuri's fans, not about Ana Brenda playing Jazmin. Sorry.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 10:36:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 10:36:00 AM EDT
Oh, but the video is about her singing with Yuri during a party at her home that was showed on webcam for Yuri's fans, not about Ana Brenda playing Jazmin. Sorry.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 10:36:00 AM EDT
: Thu May 31, 10:36:00 AM EDT
For vocab fans, here are another couple of idiomatic phrases that were used quite a bit in this episode, and appear often in this novela:
a poco - (you) don't say, really?, no kidding! Example from last night: A poco estás celoso? - Don't tell me you are jealous? <- good translation in the captions.
a lo mejor - maybe, perhaps, probably, like as not, but it also indicates the speaker is hoping for this better outcome. Example from Consuelo last night: a lo mejor a usted le hace más caso que a mí - maybe he'll pay more attention to you than me. <- also the caption translation. Note that in this case Consuelo is hoping that Ulises will pay more attention to Mercedes. FWIW this phrase always uses the indicative, even though it is an expression of chance/hope.
a poco - (you) don't say, really?, no kidding! Example from last night: A poco estás celoso? - Don't tell me you are jealous? <- good translation in the captions.
a lo mejor - maybe, perhaps, probably, like as not, but it also indicates the speaker is hoping for this better outcome. Example from Consuelo last night: a lo mejor a usted le hace más caso que a mí - maybe he'll pay more attention to you than me. <- also the caption translation. Note that in this case Consuelo is hoping that Ulises will pay more attention to Mercedes. FWIW this phrase always uses the indicative, even though it is an expression of chance/hope.
Heads up - there is some discussion of Abismo de Pasión starting 10 minutes early, so the schedule for LQNPA might also start early? Who knows, just be aware.
Loved this recap Audrey. Wow AP now has serenaded Rog. She has a beautiful singing voice. I thought Rog was going to melt into a puddle the way he looked at her so moved. Wow. This only means when that anvil drops. it will be all the more devastating.
Speaking of Vainy's lips, I was getting quite annoyed when she kept placing her hand over her mouth during her scene with Cinthia. Maybe they were swelled from injections or something I don't know. But it was irritating to say the least.
So all heck will break loose at the church wedding announcement. I wonder who's holding the gun per the previews.
Speaking of Vainy's lips, I was getting quite annoyed when she kept placing her hand over her mouth during her scene with Cinthia. Maybe they were swelled from injections or something I don't know. But it was irritating to say the least.
So all heck will break loose at the church wedding announcement. I wonder who's holding the gun per the previews.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 02:04:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 02:04:00 PM EDT
According to the cable schedule on my TV, the Mexico soccer game against Bosnia is being shown tonight instead of LQNPA. Anyone else seeing that?
Audrey, thanks for the great recap. I had some distractions during the broadcast, so love to review with the master recappers afterward.
UA, thanks for posting those videos. The one from FELS was so much fun--it was wonderful to see Jorge at the end where he was dancing around and flirting. Rohell is so intense and gloomy that it's nice to see a happy, sparkling Jorge shakin' his groove thang.
To me, Ana Brenda has a longer face than Elizabeth Alvarez, with a more square jawline. Elizabeth's face seems more heart shaped and her eyes are tilted up at the corners. Some photos look more similar than others.
Seeing Patricia Reyes Spindola dancing in her feather boa and pink tennies cheered up my day.
La Paloma
UA, thanks for posting those videos. The one from FELS was so much fun--it was wonderful to see Jorge at the end where he was dancing around and flirting. Rohell is so intense and gloomy that it's nice to see a happy, sparkling Jorge shakin' his groove thang.
To me, Ana Brenda has a longer face than Elizabeth Alvarez, with a more square jawline. Elizabeth's face seems more heart shaped and her eyes are tilted up at the corners. Some photos look more similar than others.
Seeing Patricia Reyes Spindola dancing in her feather boa and pink tennies cheered up my day.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 02:21:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 02:21:00 PM EDT
Audrey et al. Great recap and great comments.
As to the different times on the schedule--Univision is announcing a futbol match this evening, beginning at 8:50. So, no LQNPA--but I'll be at the ready just in case they are wrong (as they sometimes are).
Since someone else brought up Elizabeth Alvarez--I saw her on El Gordo and La Flaca with Diego Olivera and the other galan promoting Amorcito Corazon (banished to the afternoon...when only nannies are watching...BTW, is there a snarky term or abbreviation that everyone recognizes to mean being offended?)
In Amorcito, she is still single and ulucky in love. Gordo asked Elizabeth how Jorge felt about the mouth open kisses (and something about the tongues…in jest) with Diego Olivera. They both declared that they were very professional about it, but wanted it to seem they were real and the characters really cared about each other.
Funny, no one asked Elizabeth how *she* felt about Jorge and Ana Brenda’s kisses.
So Gustavito is finally abriendo los ojos. He also doesn't hold back from calling Cin on her resistance to any work--at all. Besides flinging hair and flouncing out, I do catch her ruffling her hair. Does this mean she's going the same way Elsa La Vaca went? We know Vainessa isn't crazy--her hair is straight and she never touches it.
Anita
As to the different times on the schedule--Univision is announcing a futbol match this evening, beginning at 8:50. So, no LQNPA--but I'll be at the ready just in case they are wrong (as they sometimes are).
Since someone else brought up Elizabeth Alvarez--I saw her on El Gordo and La Flaca with Diego Olivera and the other galan promoting Amorcito Corazon (banished to the afternoon...when only nannies are watching...BTW, is there a snarky term or abbreviation that everyone recognizes to mean being offended?)
In Amorcito, she is still single and ulucky in love. Gordo asked Elizabeth how Jorge felt about the mouth open kisses (and something about the tongues…in jest) with Diego Olivera. They both declared that they were very professional about it, but wanted it to seem they were real and the characters really cared about each other.
Funny, no one asked Elizabeth how *she* felt about Jorge and Ana Brenda’s kisses.
So Gustavito is finally abriendo los ojos. He also doesn't hold back from calling Cin on her resistance to any work--at all. Besides flinging hair and flouncing out, I do catch her ruffling her hair. Does this mean she's going the same way Elsa La Vaca went? We know Vainessa isn't crazy--her hair is straight and she never touches it.
Anita
Anita- I watched the estreno of Amorcito yesterday and it is cute. I'm also a little offended it was banished to daytime.
Every one in a while Vainy will touch that lanky bit that doesn't seem to stay with the rest of the 'do. Sin's hair is as wild and insane as she is becoming. I hadn't thought of it/noticed. Thanks for giving me a giggle. :)
Audrey- would you be willing to e-mail me? I want to pick your brain about vocab.
Every one in a while Vainy will touch that lanky bit that doesn't seem to stay with the rest of the 'do. Sin's hair is as wild and insane as she is becoming. I hadn't thought of it/noticed. Thanks for giving me a giggle. :)
Audrey- would you be willing to e-mail me? I want to pick your brain about vocab.
I'm reasonably sure Elsa will end up having Sinthia as company by the end of the story, leaving Goosetavo to find a sane woman.
I haven't decided whether Vainessa is irredeemable or not. I do know that the Tia definitely is.
Hilda dodged a cannon ball IMHO.
I haven't decided whether Vainessa is irredeemable or not. I do know that the Tia definitely is.
Hilda dodged a cannon ball IMHO.
Audrey, muchísimas gracias for the great recap and wonderfully useful vocabulary. I actually looked up a couple of those phrases last night right after I watched the episode, but I was so tired that I couldn't continue. Since part of the reason I watch TNs is to improve my Spanish, I'm especially grateful when someone goes to the trouble to pick out helpful words and phrases, and you do an amazingly good job!
I loved your description of "Cynthia’s grade school speech to the ganaderos." As for Cynthia, I'm almost positive that she will become pregnant and may not even know who the father is.
BTW, I don't think there will be any episode of LQNPA shown tonight (Thursday). The avances talked about "el viernes," and according to today's Washington Post, there's a futbol match on Univision starting at 8:50 EDT.
I loved your description of "Cynthia’s grade school speech to the ganaderos." As for Cynthia, I'm almost positive that she will become pregnant and may not even know who the father is.
BTW, I don't think there will be any episode of LQNPA shown tonight (Thursday). The avances talked about "el viernes," and according to today's Washington Post, there's a futbol match on Univision starting at 8:50 EDT.
Much as I hate to admit it, Mersnotty seems to be redeemable. She is actually becoming a little likeable.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 03:55:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 03:55:00 PM EDT
The vocab at the end of your recap is invaluable. Thanks so much Audrey.
Yola
Yola
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 04:01:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 04:01:00 PM EDT
My cable is often wrong, but it says there is a futbol game on and neither this TN or Abismo de pasion is on tonight. I'm taping just in case it's wrong.
Audrey, great recap. I wish I didn't ff through the end when Ana Brenda sang. If I knew it were her, I would have watched it. I'm too lazy to undo my recording setup to go back and watch.
The quick transformation of AP loving Rog has me dizzy. It makes no sense to me how she all of a sudden has changed gears and is in love with him and wants to marry in the church.
Audrey, great recap. I wish I didn't ff through the end when Ana Brenda sang. If I knew it were her, I would have watched it. I'm too lazy to undo my recording setup to go back and watch.
The quick transformation of AP loving Rog has me dizzy. It makes no sense to me how she all of a sudden has changed gears and is in love with him and wants to marry in the church.
La Paloma, you're welcome. I wish the video quality of the FELS clip was across the board on YouTube.
Is Amorcito relegated to daytime because of its production cost vs. the prime time ones? I don't see a mansion in it.
Is Amorcito relegated to daytime because of its production cost vs. the prime time ones? I don't see a mansion in it.
Cathyx, according to the Washington Post's TV listings, Abismo will be on at 8 tonight, but it will probably end at 8:50, since that's when the futbol game starts.
BTW, I agree with you about Ana Paula's sudden transformation re Rogelio. It just seems too extreme. Then again, this is a telenovela! :-)
BTW, I agree with you about Ana Paula's sudden transformation re Rogelio. It just seems too extreme. Then again, this is a telenovela! :-)
Cathyx- I don't think LQNPA will be on but the fact that your cable company does not show Abismo concerns me. Abismo is on earlier, So I wonder of the LQNPA info is on.
I don't think that made sense :-/
UA I wish I understood the decision to put Amorcito on in the afternoon. It strikes me as a good show. IMHO Univision is not doing Refugio any favors having it on for two hours. I don't think it helped UFCS either. Why not have four TNs in the line up? Disclaimer: I've caught bits and pieces of Refugio and it still hasn't grabbed me. The first episode of Amorcito interested me enough to want to watch it and I hope there are enough people here at Caray that we might have at least a weekly discussion post similar to the telemumdo ones.
I don't think that made sense :-/
UA I wish I understood the decision to put Amorcito on in the afternoon. It strikes me as a good show. IMHO Univision is not doing Refugio any favors having it on for two hours. I don't think it helped UFCS either. Why not have four TNs in the line up? Disclaimer: I've caught bits and pieces of Refugio and it still hasn't grabbed me. The first episode of Amorcito interested me enough to want to watch it and I hope there are enough people here at Caray that we might have at least a weekly discussion post similar to the telemumdo ones.
Thanks to all for your kind comments. I'm glad the vocabulary is useful for so many. As I'm watching an episode I tend to jot down interesting phrases or dichos anyway, so it's easy for me to compile the vocab to share with the recap. I enjoy sleuthing to uncover the "real" meaning of an unusual phrase. Several from this episode were new to me - like "de dientes afuera".
Yep, it looks like no show tonight, so Kat will have a well deserved break.
Yep, it looks like no show tonight, so Kat will have a well deserved break.
Sara - I did email you by clicking on your blogger email link in your profile. Hopefully you got it.
I also agree with the comments of Ana Paula's devoted loving to the extent that she's ready for a church wedding ASAP. It's crazy sudden, and so is all the fawning over Rogelio. I can't get used to it either.
But remember - she fell in love with Goostavito in 24 hours and knew he was her "true love", so I guess when the girl makes up her mind, she's all in!
But remember - she fell in love with Goostavito in 24 hours and knew he was her "true love", so I guess when the girl makes up her mind, she's all in!
I do like this TN and am particularly impressed by JS and his commitment despite his serious illness. Having said that, I think this illogical story line (mas bien, story timing) might be part reason why LQNPA did not win a TN award last weekend and yet JS did. Hilda conveniently finds employment with the Bruno connection left hanging? AP tells Roger she loves him and he is a man of integrity? That is a stretch for me. The rest of the story is TN typical storyline and pace IMO. Those Sr Montero flashbacks are really something else. They make him look like Daddy Dearest! And Sin's last hacienca black outfit and boots was something else. I would really like to know what the idea is behind her wardrobe, it is an unusual style. Mena
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 06:21:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 06:21:00 PM EDT
Hey, folks, give AP a little break.
I don't know how much of this time frame was messed up by JS' illness or what was left as written. This seems to be about the right time frame from the night he left Del Fuerte for the estudios the first time to a full reconciliation.
Since they had to sort of "do it" around Jorge's convalesence--AP's pregnancy, wishy-washiness, snake bite, miscarriage, etc.--the period where she joined Rogelio to be at the hospital with him had to be shortened. They would have had plenty of time for Rogelio to woo her again.
I'd love to hear some of the behind the scenes chatter on how they did re-write those episodes.
Anita
I don't know how much of this time frame was messed up by JS' illness or what was left as written. This seems to be about the right time frame from the night he left Del Fuerte for the estudios the first time to a full reconciliation.
Since they had to sort of "do it" around Jorge's convalesence--AP's pregnancy, wishy-washiness, snake bite, miscarriage, etc.--the period where she joined Rogelio to be at the hospital with him had to be shortened. They would have had plenty of time for Rogelio to woo her again.
I'd love to hear some of the behind the scenes chatter on how they did re-write those episodes.
Anita
Paula's love for Rogelio might seem sudden but I think she's been falling for him ever since she was forced to return to the hacienda. Even before I think the signs were subtle: her jealousy, her enjoying his kisses and her obvious attraction to him but they've been there all along. She even said she was falling for him before the **** hit the fan and she found the planted Goose things in Rog's desk. Then the whole reunion with Goose, the baby, ect. just caused her confusion but her feelings were there. IMO episode 81(the episode were the **** hits the fan again. AKA AP tels him about her pregnancy) is where you see who she really loves(Rog) eventhough it takes her a long time to finally make up her mind between Rogelio and Goosetavo.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 06:30:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 06:30:00 PM EDT
The guy playing Ivan Montero was in En Nombre del Amor.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 06:38:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 06:38:00 PM EDT
I'm on West Coast time, so they are airing the game live, I believe. That means it starts at 5:00pm going until 8:00pm, then they have Un Refugio Para el Amor for 2 hours, then Primer Impacto. In the past, they air the TN's on the east coast, not here, and we just get to miss the episode that day. I hate Comcast. On Monday, the holiday, they reaired the Friday episode of Abismo de Pasion and never aired the one everyone else saw. So I luckily had the recap to read to catch up. Did I mention that I hate Comcast?
Cathyx, and anyone else whose cable company screws up like this, here is where to find all the current ones. Uncensored, and no ads.
Anon, I'd love to hear an explanation for those bare-midriff outfits. They made no sense on Ximena in FELS because Gabriela was the type who would have used her riding crop on any daughter who would dress that way, but at least those looked nice on her. Sinthia's just look ridiculous.
Anon, I'd love to hear an explanation for those bare-midriff outfits. They made no sense on Ximena in FELS because Gabriela was the type who would have used her riding crop on any daughter who would dress that way, but at least those looked nice on her. Sinthia's just look ridiculous.
"Sinthia's just look ridiculous."
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I don't mean this to sound ugly to Ms. Gonzalez but she was so, so, so mis-cast/mis-costumed for this. The further we go into the story the more ridiculous she seems to me. She is too old for this role.
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I don't mean this to sound ugly to Ms. Gonzalez but she was so, so, so mis-cast/mis-costumed for this. The further we go into the story the more ridiculous she seems to me. She is too old for this role.
I am so late in thanking you, Audrey, for this wonderful recap! :D Loved it all, and loved the vocal and dichos.
I agree with anon 6:30, while it does seem sudden for Cupcake to fall for Rohell (especially after he's been SUCH a douche) I think it's been brewing in her for a long, long time. He was starting to win her over before Bruno planted Goose's things in his desk, and later on he was really working on her too, and I think it was working. She just felt conflicted because of the baby-daddy thing, etc. But when finally things all fall into place for her, she jumps in with both feet. (Though I still would have preferred for it to take a little longer for her to be wooed by the old turd.) But still! That's what beanies are for! LOL.
I agree with anon 6:30, while it does seem sudden for Cupcake to fall for Rohell (especially after he's been SUCH a douche) I think it's been brewing in her for a long, long time. He was starting to win her over before Bruno planted Goose's things in his desk, and later on he was really working on her too, and I think it was working. She just felt conflicted because of the baby-daddy thing, etc. But when finally things all fall into place for her, she jumps in with both feet. (Though I still would have preferred for it to take a little longer for her to be wooed by the old turd.) But still! That's what beanies are for! LOL.
BTW, the reason I am so late commenting on this recap was because I was engrossed in transferring many, many episodios of LQNPA to my iPod touch. Yes, I am officially a sad, sad person. (In my defense, I have some other novelas on the iPod too. But LQNPA dominates! LOL.)
Does anyone know if the Univision site has all past videos of the show or just the last 3 episodes?
The youtube channel of Univision seems to have a handful of LQNPA which is a shame because they are in excellent quality.
The youtube channel of Univision seems to have a handful of LQNPA which is a shame because they are in excellent quality.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 08:34:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 08:34:00 PM EDT
Thanks Elvira! Great to hear from you - I wondered where you had gotten off to LOL!
Well, we're going without our fix tonight! Fútbol and no LQNPA - boo hoo!
Well, we're going without our fix tonight! Fútbol and no LQNPA - boo hoo!
Gracias, Audrey, for the entertaining recap. I am loving watching Gustavo continuing to realize the full stupidity of what he's done. I'm mean that way :D
And thanks for the heads-up about tonight...looks like I get a night off...whatever will I do with myself?
I would like to propose some kind of contest for homemade chokers a la Cinthia...they have to be wide, they have to be too loose to fit the neck of the model, and they have to have something dangling from them. Certainly someone out there is talented enough to come up with something even more horrific than the costume department!
And thanks for the heads-up about tonight...looks like I get a night off...whatever will I do with myself?
I would like to propose some kind of contest for homemade chokers a la Cinthia...they have to be wide, they have to be too loose to fit the neck of the model, and they have to have something dangling from them. Certainly someone out there is talented enough to come up with something even more horrific than the costume department!
Excellent as always. You caught Sin's adolescent flounce. Terrific descriptor! ITA about poor Goose-- he's been caught in a nightmare on Hell-Fuerte Street.
Anon 8:23-I am still wracking my brain trying to think of someone not too young/not too old. Heck, it may just be the hideous costuming/chokers/hair that's making Ms. Gonzalez look wrong for this role.
I really don't know, I don't have a vast mental file of Televisa actresses. I just can't put my finger on what keeps me from buying into Susana Gonzalez as Sin.
I suspect I am the only one with this opinion.
I really don't know, I don't have a vast mental file of Televisa actresses. I just can't put my finger on what keeps me from buying into Susana Gonzalez as Sin.
I suspect I am the only one with this opinion.
I would like to propose some kind of contest for homemade chokers a la Cinthia...
OOO!! A Contest!
...they have to be wide, they have to be too loose to fit the neck of the model, and they have to have something dangling from them.
She's got one choker...I refer to it mentally as "The Vineyard." It's green and I swear it's got grapes dangling off it.
Don't forget if you decide to enter the contest: The dangly stuff has to be applied in the most haphazard way possible.
OOO!! A Contest!
...they have to be wide, they have to be too loose to fit the neck of the model, and they have to have something dangling from them.
She's got one choker...I refer to it mentally as "The Vineyard." It's green and I swear it's got grapes dangling off it.
Don't forget if you decide to enter the contest: The dangly stuff has to be applied in the most haphazard way possible.
Hi Kat! We'll miss your snarkalicious take on things tomorrow! But a well deserved break especially since you doubled up a couple of weeks ago. I'm glad you share my glee at the wool dropping from Goose's eyes. Finally! But, I'm really starting to feel sorry for the guy! I know he made his bed - but dang!
Nightmare on Hell-Fuerte for Goose - good one Jardinera LOL!
Sara - I complained about Susana Gonzales being miscast for the part a while ago (too obviously old, too skinny, and too intelligent looking), although I admit that she's doing an amazing job of it lately.
I wanted an actress that actually looked more slothful and baby-face spoiled. I hadn't been able to "cast" one myself either! Maybe Marlene Favela - she has a perpetual baby face. Jessica Coch (32) could pull it off. She even dated José Ron for a while LOL! And she does a pretty good job of looking evilly dumb.
Nightmare on Hell-Fuerte for Goose - good one Jardinera LOL!
Sara - I complained about Susana Gonzales being miscast for the part a while ago (too obviously old, too skinny, and too intelligent looking), although I admit that she's doing an amazing job of it lately.
I wanted an actress that actually looked more slothful and baby-face spoiled. I hadn't been able to "cast" one myself either! Maybe Marlene Favela - she has a perpetual baby face. Jessica Coch (32) could pull it off. She even dated José Ron for a while LOL! And she does a pretty good job of looking evilly dumb.
"Too obviously old" sounded bad - I just meant for that role. Of course Salinas is too - his character is probably supposed to be 35 or so, and he is 43 yet looks older with his health problems.
But they're all young people compared to me!
But they're all young people compared to me!
Susana Gonzalez may be miscast, but she's bringing a great mix of attitudes to the character:
*the petulant daughter of privilege *the immature adolescent (clothing) *the yearning-for-love and/or sex spinster(Effer affair)
*the insecure, needy child
*the part-time prisoner of the hacienda
*all underlaid with incipient mental issues or illness
La Paloma
*the petulant daughter of privilege *the immature adolescent (clothing) *the yearning-for-love and/or sex spinster(Effer affair)
*the insecure, needy child
*the part-time prisoner of the hacienda
*all underlaid with incipient mental issues or illness
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 10:51:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 10:51:00 PM EDT
Ditto comparative ages for me, too. I'm no spring chicken by any means.
I remember the comments "too old, too skinny and too intelligent looking." I just never can remember who says what (see my opening statement.)
I've never seen either of those actresses act...but their faces seem right.
Adriana Fonesca crossed my mind, too.
An issue, though is the fact that I do think we are watching Sin descend into if not madness, something resembling it and I would think it's hard to cast for someone who starts as petulant and spoiled but becomes hard and borderline nuts. If you cast for the former, it may not look right for the latter.
Gawd I'm rambling.
I remember the comments "too old, too skinny and too intelligent looking." I just never can remember who says what (see my opening statement.)
I've never seen either of those actresses act...but their faces seem right.
Adriana Fonesca crossed my mind, too.
An issue, though is the fact that I do think we are watching Sin descend into if not madness, something resembling it and I would think it's hard to cast for someone who starts as petulant and spoiled but becomes hard and borderline nuts. If you cast for the former, it may not look right for the latter.
Gawd I'm rambling.
But deep down I think I have a bigger issue with her ridiculous costuming.
I barely remember Ximena's costuming in FELS (I only watched the DVD.) I do remember the few times I caught it as it was airing, I thought Susana Zabaleta's character looked ridiculous, too. Wasn't she another one with a bared midriff?
I barely remember Ximena's costuming in FELS (I only watched the DVD.) I do remember the few times I caught it as it was airing, I thought Susana Zabaleta's character looked ridiculous, too. Wasn't she another one with a bared midriff?
The producers are smart enough to add some "eye candy" to appeal to the male audience. I have read every recap since the beginning and noticed that Sinthia has a small following believe it or not.
I don't think anyone has expressed a liking to Vanessa. I could be wrong.
I don't think anyone has expressed a liking to Vanessa. I could be wrong.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 10:59:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 10:59:00 PM EDT
I agree. I don't think Susanna Gonzales is miscast any more than Jorge Salinas is. They are the right ages (for each other) and look related.
Someone younger with the typical spoiled brat of privilege would be Altair Jarabo, who is the same age as Ana Brenda. However, that would mean that Rogelio would have to be cast with someone the same age as Jose Ron. I don't see that working well.
Someone younger with the typical spoiled brat of privilege would be Altair Jarabo, who is the same age as Ana Brenda. However, that would mean that Rogelio would have to be cast with someone the same age as Jose Ron. I don't see that working well.
Ok, one more comment because I've been sort of negative and I think I should say something positive.
When I stopped watching, Cupcake was wearing ridiculous dresses. I'm glad that they've got her wearing jeans and simple tops now. She looks fabulous. I wish I looked as good in something so simple.
Anita: I think you are right about the timing and Ana switching gears so suddenly. I'm sure Jorge Salinas' illness threw some things off and they just wanted to get back on track ASAP.
When I stopped watching, Cupcake was wearing ridiculous dresses. I'm glad that they've got her wearing jeans and simple tops now. She looks fabulous. I wish I looked as good in something so simple.
Anita: I think you are right about the timing and Ana switching gears so suddenly. I'm sure Jorge Salinas' illness threw some things off and they just wanted to get back on track ASAP.
Anon10:59-You are correct. I haven't seen anyone really sticking up for Vainy.
As I conceded earlier, I'm sure it was very difficult to cast for this role as the character changes so much over the run of the show.
As I conceded earlier, I'm sure it was very difficult to cast for this role as the character changes so much over the run of the show.
Elizabeth Alvarez's Jimena wore mostly corset like tops that was fashionable around 2006-09. Susana Zabaleta's ruth wore a lot of red shirts but she always wore her shirts tied in a know underneath showing a little bare midriff. No one in recent memory has shown complete bare midriffs like Sinthia Montero aka Susana Gonzalez. Ninel conde showed the most cleavage but she rarely had bare midriffs exposed.
Permalink posted by : Thu May 31, 11:05:00 PM EDT
: Thu May 31, 11:05:00 PM EDT
Agreed that Susana is a good age match with Jorge, but then they both look so much older than Ana Brenda Contreras and Jose Ron! Jose Ron is only 30, Susana Gonzales 38. Ana Brenda Contreras may be 25, but she looks barely 21 in this show!
Definitely, as the Cynthia character unfolds (and unravels), Susana Gonzalez is doing an amazing job. I'm very tired of her costuming, but I'm loving her acting. She is really bringing this tortured character alive!
Definitely, as the Cynthia character unfolds (and unravels), Susana Gonzalez is doing an amazing job. I'm very tired of her costuming, but I'm loving her acting. She is really bringing this tortured character alive!
The glue-gunned ultrasuede chokers are getting very tiresome, I agree with 5ft or whomever pointed that out. Ill-fitting and with no sense of design at all. And they often don't go with the outfits being worn!
I think Susana Gonzalez is great but yes, sometimes she looks a little too old for this part. But yet, her age fits well with Jorge Salinas's Rogelio, and if they were to cast a much younger actress for her, I agree with whomever said they'd probably have to go with someone younger for Rogelio, and that would NOT suit me at all! LOL. But anyway, I'm just going with the flow with Sin. She's wonderful at acting snobby and freaky and I'm enjoying her performance.
I think Susana Gonzalez is great but yes, sometimes she looks a little too old for this part. But yet, her age fits well with Jorge Salinas's Rogelio, and if they were to cast a much younger actress for her, I agree with whomever said they'd probably have to go with someone younger for Rogelio, and that would NOT suit me at all! LOL. But anyway, I'm just going with the flow with Sin. She's wonderful at acting snobby and freaky and I'm enjoying her performance.
Just to jump in where I probably don't belong, but I also think Susana Gonzales is not *quite* right for the part.
On the other hand, they didn't want to cast anyone too glamorous (Fedora [Jessica Mass] in Corazon Apasionado--who also bares her bellybutton) or too cute (Matilde [Grettell Valdez] from CME & now in Amorcito Corazon). It had to be someone who could remind viewers that she grew up a bit of a neglected tomboy, perhaps yearning to be really feminine, but with only her depressed mother and Maria for role models.
I think the way LaPaloma described the Sinthia character is perfect and it would be hard to play someone so multi-dimensional, so I have to hand it to SG for making her seem that real. At least she wears boots and not 5" platform spikes to go riding!
Anita
On the other hand, they didn't want to cast anyone too glamorous (Fedora [Jessica Mass] in Corazon Apasionado--who also bares her bellybutton) or too cute (Matilde [Grettell Valdez] from CME & now in Amorcito Corazon). It had to be someone who could remind viewers that she grew up a bit of a neglected tomboy, perhaps yearning to be really feminine, but with only her depressed mother and Maria for role models.
I think the way LaPaloma described the Sinthia character is perfect and it would be hard to play someone so multi-dimensional, so I have to hand it to SG for making her seem that real. At least she wears boots and not 5" platform spikes to go riding!
Anita
I guess there could be another solution: Cast a different actor for goose. Somewhat older (not too much) and TALLER! lol
And since Anita mentioned it: Amorcito Corazon is a cute show.
And since Anita mentioned it: Amorcito Corazon is a cute show.
In an earlier discussion where I cited the actors' ages, I speculated that Sinthia is likely to be 3 or 4 years younger than Rogelio. I also think she needs to be a little older than Ana Paula which is partly about the jealousy over Gustavo, which would have eliminated Altair Jarabo as a candidate.
I think we can agree that Rogelio is meant to be about 37 with Sinthia being 33; Ana Paula is probably meant to be 23 or 4.
Obviously the producer felt that Jorge Salinas was the best actor to play Rogelio and everything followed from there. The only actor I can think of who is 37 right now would have been Sebastian Rulli (based on his performance in Teresa).
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I think we can agree that Rogelio is meant to be about 37 with Sinthia being 33; Ana Paula is probably meant to be 23 or 4.
Obviously the producer felt that Jorge Salinas was the best actor to play Rogelio and everything followed from there. The only actor I can think of who is 37 right now would have been Sebastian Rulli (based on his performance in Teresa).
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