Friday, January 11, 2008
Pasion - Jan. 10, 2008 Rico gets the shock of his life; Vasco and Paco pinky swear; Cami and Rico enchant the crowd
EPISODE 24:
* Justo sits with Cami in her courtyard. He advises her to forget about Santo and move on with her life, even if it means she has to move away.
* Rico and Claudio return to Cami's house. Claudio wants to go with Rico on the trip; Rico says that wouldn't be wise, he may only complicate the plan. Rico tells Claudio to stay put, Claudio still has doubts. Rico tells Claudio to trust him. Justo bursts onto the street from the gate. He greets Rico and Claudio and then leaves. As Claudio goes to the gate, Rico leaves.
* Caridad lets Claudio inside. Cami and Jimena sit by the fountain. Claudio chats with them about why Rico didn't want to come in - did Cami and he have a fight. Cami shrugs the topic off. Jimena asks where Ascanio is. Claudio says he had a meeting with Don Alberto Lafont. Cami wonders what that is all about.
* Ascanio waits patiently in the reception room. Manuela comes to the doorway of the office, smiles shyly to Ascanio and says her dad will be out to see him soon. She turns, sees her dad standing there and shuffles off quickly. Alberto ushers Ascanio into the office. Ascanio mentions Vasco told him to come and see him. They sit and Ascanio tells Alberto about his position with Don Timoteo and his relationship and living arrangements with Cami at her house. He wants to open his own bakery. Alberto asks him about Lis; Ascanio explains his relationship was only as servant for her father. Alberto ponders the loan for the bakery and says he has no problem as long as Ascanio lives up to his condition - to be absolutely loyal and complete discretion with him. Ascanio is surprised; agrees. Alberto will think about the loan and then asks him about Ricardo Lopez de Carvajal. Ascanio knows very little about him. Alberto is impactado by the answer. Ascanio thanks him for his time and leaves. Alberto ponders.
* Mario and Rico at night on the San Fernando docks. They are wishing they were on the sea again. As they leave the dock, they discuss their plan against Don Alvaro.
* At the campsite en route to San Fernando Valley, pirates play as Lazaro cleans his boots with his knife and asks lots of questions to associate about Rico's plan in town, his hacienda, and Lisabetha's presence. Associate becomes quite annoyed by all of Lazaro's questions - becomes curt with his answers about Tim's inheritance, then joins the others.
* The debauchery of Jorge's man party starts to spill out into the adjoining hall. Fran passes through with her tea tray. She's horrified and stops a moment to gawk through the curtain at the men with the whores. She quickly flies upstairs with her tray.
* In the bedroom, Lis is in her bedclothes. Fran relays what she saw downstairs with Jorge and his men and the whores - she horrified by the sight, sounds and smells. Fran fixes both of them some tea, and wonders about moving to Santo's house - lower class but better morals and cordiality. Lis wonders about Rita and her sister. The conversation circles back to Tim vs. Rico then back to Jorge and his partymates.
* At the party, Alberto and Jorge take a break from the whores and wine to discuss business - Jorge orders Gonzalo to leave his two whores and wine to join them - Gonzalo drinks from a lady's shoe (how disgusting and unsanitary) as Jorge orders Gonzalo to travel to La Mariana.
* Ascanio is drunk and nodding to sleep in the back of a cart on the street. Mario walks past, and hears Ascanio muttering. Mario was at the brothel. Ascanio vents his disgust with his life - no home, no boss, all alone. Mario questions him about his family - Ascanio grumbles about his mother is dead and the rest is far away across the sea. Mario asks if he has a girlfriend. Ascanio says once but she disappeared long ago. Mario says so there can be another. Ascanio says he's tired of all the secrets. Mario prods Ascanio about what secrets he refers. Ascanio starts to blabber about Alberto and Vasco asking about Rico, and then shuts up. Mario prods and presses for more information; Ascanio blabbers about Rico didn't deserve that bad luck. Mario presses and shakes Ascanio to give up the secret information - Ascanio finally breaks down and says Bermejo was paid by Tim and Fran to frame Rico for murder. Mario is impactado. He splashes Ascanio with wine and grumbles. Ascanio complains about Rico's secret from Cami - Mario explains how much Cami has been told by Rico now. Ascanio vents about the secret that Rico is Lis' cousin - Mario reminds Ascanio to continue to keep that a deep dark secret. They continue their conversation. Ascanio reveals that Tim threaten to put him in prison with the murderers if he told anyone about the scheme. Mario says they're all marked Christians, then sits and plies Mario for his loyalty with more wine.
* A knock on the hotel room door. Rico appears in the dark, shirtless and in his short bloomers and leather sandals on. Rico quickly pulls on his shirt, brandishes his sword and answers the door. Mario quickly enters. Rico closes the door and Mario relays to Rico what the drunk Ascanio just told him about Tim and Bermejo - Rico is impactado, can't believe it. Mario says no actual proof other than Ascanio as witness to Tim paying off Bermejo to frame him for the murder, and Ascanio was drunk when he was telling him this. Rico lights a lamp and Mario continues his report about everything Ascanio told him. Ascanio saw Tim pay a money bag to Bermejo in the salon of the house; and Fran was present at the exchange. This hits Rico really hard - he wonders about her involvement. Mario suspects she was also after his father's estate. Rico chokes back the tears and heartache.
* Ascanio staggers back into Cami's courtyard. Jimena comes out to greet him, and notes he's drunk. She asks him what's wrong? He says he's a disgrace and goes inside. She ponders that thought.
* Seated in the hotel room, Mario continues to tell Rico what Ascanio said, about seeing Tim hand the money bag to Bermejo as Fran watched, and Tim seeing Ascanio in the doorway. Rico imagines the sight as it played out. Mario says that after Ascanio escorted Bermejo out of the house, Tim cornered him and threatened to send him to prison for murderers. Rico is upset especially discovering that Fran was part of the scheme. Rico asks Mario who Ascanio murdered? Mario says the guy who raped his sister. Rico pauses and decides he needs to return to La Mariana. Mario, eager to get back to sea life, wants to go with him. Rico says no, he will go alone; Mario tries to change Rico's mind, but Rico says it's an order to be obeyed. Besides the pirates and Lazaro are on their way, and Mario has to stay and handle things there. Rico will leave tomorrow. Mario says not tomorrow, Jorge's party is tomorrow night. Rico says 'the heck with the party'. Mario tells Rico that Vasco and Alberto are asking lots of questions about him so he has to attend the party. Rico asks who told him this? Mario says "Ascanio, Ascanio." They stare at each other.
* Ursula cleans her teeth with something that looks like dirty lard soap. Knock at the door. She swizzles water and spits before answering. Vasco enters and hugs and kisses Ursula. They flirt as they talk about Alberto and Manuela's investigation of Rico. Vasco and Ursula discuss why each wants the information on Rico. Ursula says that her dad is very interested in Cami again. Vasco won't permit him to take advantage of his sister again. Ursula tries to flirt and get Vasco on her side. He's upset by her comparison between their affair and Jorge's obsession with Cami. Ursula wonders about Cami's relationship with Rico. Vasco isn't sure about that. Ursula assumes that Rico and Jorge are rivals. Vasco ends the conversation and leaves for the door. Ursula warns him if he leaves to never return. Vasco takes a deep breath, looks at Ursula and leaves. Ursula is upset and grumbles, "Idiot!"
* At breakfast, Santo, Ofelia and Ines discuss Rico, Lis and Fran's visit to their house yesterday. They discuss the problem between Cami and Lis. Ines gives her favorable opinion about Rico as a gentleman. Santo feels nauseous.
* At Cami's picnic patio area, Claudio tells Cami and Jimena about his meeting with Lis and her aunt and Rico at Ofelia's house, and about Rico's new house. Ascanio wanders outside and joins them. Claudio and Cami asks him about his meeting with Don Alberto. Ascanio apologizes to Cami but he wants to obtain his business dream on his own; refuses to accept her offer for financial backing. She insists on helping him as a friend.
* At the blacksmith shop, Ofelia interrupts Santo as he pounds away at the large safe trunk for Justo. She asks him about his reaction to Ines' comments of Rico. He tries to shrug it off but mama is insistent. Santo vents his problem with Rico; thinks he is engaged to Ursula and wants to start something with Cami only for entertainment. Justo stops by and interrupts. Santo shows Justo the trunk. Justo compliments him on the work, and wonders about payment. Santo says no need; he's getting paid enough from Rico for the large job over at Rico's mansion. Justo insists on paying something for the work. Ofelia asks Justo for his opinion about Cami, Rico and Ursula. Justo says that Rico and Ursula aren't, nor have ever been engaged. Justo thinks Cami and Rico should be together and Rico should take Cami away from there.
* Alone on the patio, Cami and Ascanio continue to discuss her loan offer. he explains about secret shames. she tries to get him to open up. he refuses. she thinks he is speaking about the murder in his past. he says yes that's it. she repeats that if he accepts another offer over hers, she will feel really hurt and angry with him. Cleo answers the front door. Ofelia enters and walks over to greet Ascanio and Cami.
* In the mansion courtyard, Rico explains to Fran and Lis that he has to return to La Mariana, Don Gaspar sent him an urgent message and he has to meet with him. Rico has to assure Lis and Fran that he will return as soon as he can; also as soon as the house is ready, he will move Lis and Fran there. Ursula and Manuela come out and interrupt. They greet Rico, and practically ignore Fran and Lis sitting there. Ursula wants to speak in private with Rico, he says whenever she wishes; she then reminds him about the party tonight. He nods. Ursula and Manuela return inside the mansion. Lis asks Rico if he actually is interested in her. Rico laughs, says she's too proud and isn't worth his time. He asks Fran about his mother's relationship with Tim (why the animosity?) Fran explains about how when his parents married, Tim cut off all communication with her. Rico asks how much influence Tim had over his parents. Fran cuts off the subject, saying the three are dead, let them rest in peace. Rico wipes his lips and thought bubbles to himself.
* In the entry hall by the stairs, Manuela asks Ursula about her continued plan to conquer Rico; if it is worth it. Ursula says she won't let Cami or anyone else have him. Manuela continues to give her opinions, and then on the stair landing, Manuela mentions Ursula's affair with Vasco. Ursula turns and scolds Manuela for her opinions. Manuela whines in her own defense. Ursula isn't interested and storms upstairs. Manuela following, like an abused little puppy dog.
* In the salon, Ofelia tells Cami about Rico's visit to their house. And Santo's opinions about him. Ofelia sort of gives her approval for Cami and Rico's relationship then changes the subject to Ines, and her continuing dream of being with Vasco. Cami sighs. Ofelia says she and Santo were thinking that Ascanio may make a good husband for Ines. Cari brings out the tea set and leaves. Cami isn't sure about Ascanio, she doesn't know too much about him except that he's a good man who wants to have his own business. They discuss Ines' fantasy about Vasco and Ofelia mentions the rumor that Vasco and Ursula are lovers. Cami is impactado.
* Paco is in the tree eating an apple (or some kind of fruit). He calls out, "Papa! Papa! Are you through with your business now?" Vasco says no, not yet. Vasco plucks his young son out of the tree. Paco tells Vasco about his reading and that he found a paper and was trying to read it, to practice his reading, but can't understand it. In the yard, Paco gets the bright idea that Vasco can help him read it and they can discover the surprise together. Paco pulls the paper out of his shoe and hands it to Vasco. Vasco opens it and starts to read the signature "Don Bonifacio Gomez". Paco asks who that is? Vasco doesn't respond, he continues to read the burnt letter, and Paco continues to ask what it says. Vasco finally says, nothing, and don't tell anyone about this, kapish? Vasco and Paco pinky-swear to keep this secret.
* At the front gate, all dressed up, Cami is having second thought about attending the party. Jimena has to convince and practically drag Cami out the gate and to the carriage.
* Out on the street, Rico and Mario talk. Rico hopes this is quick. Mario assures him that the bags are packed and ready for his departure. They do another version of their shoulder thing, laugh and Rico walks to the mansion. Mario spots Santo and Ines on the street and joins them. Just then, Cami and Jimena pull up in their carriage. Santo has to hold Ines back from saying hello. In the carriage, Cami finishes telling Jimena about the rumor of Vasco and Ursula. Jimena is very interested, surprised by the news. As they get out of the carriage, Cami rewarns Jimena about Don Jorge the leech. They go to the door of the mansion.
* The stage announcer presents the talented opera singer, Dona Ofelia Gorra. Dona Ofelia walks out to applause and starts to sing (warms up her vocal cords).
* Sofia and Fortunata greet Cami and Jimena in the door tunnel and usher them inside the courtyard. Across the courtyard, Alberto points them out to Jorge; Rico spots the ladies also. As Fran and Lis sit at their table and enjoy the singer's warm up, Jorge walks over to Cami and Jimena to greet them and take them to their table. Jorge sits and tells Cami and Jimena that the servants are there to treat them like royalty. As everyone enjoys the opera singer's warm-up, Rico watches and grimaces as Jorge clinks glasses with Cami and starts to flirt with her. Fran also spies on Jorge and Cami from her table. Rico can't stand it and walks over to the table. Cami coughs as she swallows her wine. Rico asks to join their table. Jorge permits it. Rico sits down and compliments the ladies on how elegant they look tonight. Jimena returns the compliment to the gentlemen. Rico asks Cami how she's doing? Cami says fine, thank you. Jorge asks Rico about their relationship. Cami starts to explain that Rico isn't accustomed to the opera. Rico makes a joke (I think). Jorge asks another question about the relationship - country mouse vs. city mouse. Jimena comments with her explanation/cover-up. Jorge asks another question, and Rico explains his own position and then compliments Cami on her captivating beauty. She thanks him and tells him to not be so presumptuous again. He agrees. Everyone applauds the end of the opera singer's warm-up. Fran and Lis discuss Rico sitting with Jorge, Cami and Jimena. They whisper together why he's with them, what they are discussing, his plan. Lis is upset by Cami's description. The next song starts. Rico stands and asks Cami to dance with him. Jorge says he had the same idea, and since he's the host, he should have the first dance. Rico sits down as Jorge and Cami join the other line dancers on the pathways. As they watch, Jimena and Rico have a private conversation about Cami and her feelings towards him vs. Jorge the creep. Jimena whispers to Rico that Cami really likes him, she's only concerned about him returning to his life at sea, but dreams about him as husband and father to her children. Rico smiles and is very interested and surprised. Jimena advises him if he insists a little, he may just win Cami over. Rico asks why Jimena is interested? Jimena explains her motivation, and then says Antillano if I can't have you, then let my friend have you. He smiles and agrees.
* Vasco sits by himself on the office loft stairs. He reads what's left of the medical letter. He thought bubbles what he should do with it.
* More operatic performances by Dona Ofelia, Gonzalo and another guy. Alberto orders Manuela to stop sitting by herself and go over and make friends with Lis and Fran. Manuela scurries off like a tortured little puppy dog. At the table, Fran and Lis are discussing Rico's sudden interest in his parents and her father, and Fran's statement of the three being dead and not to discuss them again. Fran ends the topic quickly. Manuela then joins them at the table. Manuela compliments Lis on her dress. Lis asks if Manuela has other friends besides Ursula. Manuela explains how her father selects her friends for her.
Rico tells Jorge about his trip tomorrow. Jorge questions him about the trip and pirates. Rico explains how the ship will be loaded with his new furnishings and he has to go to help the ship's captain navigate the waters from here to La Mariana. Jorge ponders La Mariana; and asks how far is that, one or two days? Rico says yes. That's when Ursula appears in the distance doorway. Jorge excuses himself to walk over to her. Rico keeps an eye on Jorge and Ursula as he talks with Cami. He needs to talk with her. She asks why is he being so blunt with Jorge just now. He explains; and asks her if he can see her bright and early tomorrow morning. She asks what does he want to talk about? He says many important things. He smiles at her. She smiles back.
ADVANCE: More Party Fireworks! Rico and Cami kiss!
* Justo sits with Cami in her courtyard. He advises her to forget about Santo and move on with her life, even if it means she has to move away.
* Rico and Claudio return to Cami's house. Claudio wants to go with Rico on the trip; Rico says that wouldn't be wise, he may only complicate the plan. Rico tells Claudio to stay put, Claudio still has doubts. Rico tells Claudio to trust him. Justo bursts onto the street from the gate. He greets Rico and Claudio and then leaves. As Claudio goes to the gate, Rico leaves.
* Caridad lets Claudio inside. Cami and Jimena sit by the fountain. Claudio chats with them about why Rico didn't want to come in - did Cami and he have a fight. Cami shrugs the topic off. Jimena asks where Ascanio is. Claudio says he had a meeting with Don Alberto Lafont. Cami wonders what that is all about.
* Ascanio waits patiently in the reception room. Manuela comes to the doorway of the office, smiles shyly to Ascanio and says her dad will be out to see him soon. She turns, sees her dad standing there and shuffles off quickly. Alberto ushers Ascanio into the office. Ascanio mentions Vasco told him to come and see him. They sit and Ascanio tells Alberto about his position with Don Timoteo and his relationship and living arrangements with Cami at her house. He wants to open his own bakery. Alberto asks him about Lis; Ascanio explains his relationship was only as servant for her father. Alberto ponders the loan for the bakery and says he has no problem as long as Ascanio lives up to his condition - to be absolutely loyal and complete discretion with him. Ascanio is surprised; agrees. Alberto will think about the loan and then asks him about Ricardo Lopez de Carvajal. Ascanio knows very little about him. Alberto is impactado by the answer. Ascanio thanks him for his time and leaves. Alberto ponders.
* Mario and Rico at night on the San Fernando docks. They are wishing they were on the sea again. As they leave the dock, they discuss their plan against Don Alvaro.
* At the campsite en route to San Fernando Valley, pirates play as Lazaro cleans his boots with his knife and asks lots of questions to associate about Rico's plan in town, his hacienda, and Lisabetha's presence. Associate becomes quite annoyed by all of Lazaro's questions - becomes curt with his answers about Tim's inheritance, then joins the others.
* The debauchery of Jorge's man party starts to spill out into the adjoining hall. Fran passes through with her tea tray. She's horrified and stops a moment to gawk through the curtain at the men with the whores. She quickly flies upstairs with her tray.
* In the bedroom, Lis is in her bedclothes. Fran relays what she saw downstairs with Jorge and his men and the whores - she horrified by the sight, sounds and smells. Fran fixes both of them some tea, and wonders about moving to Santo's house - lower class but better morals and cordiality. Lis wonders about Rita and her sister. The conversation circles back to Tim vs. Rico then back to Jorge and his partymates.
* At the party, Alberto and Jorge take a break from the whores and wine to discuss business - Jorge orders Gonzalo to leave his two whores and wine to join them - Gonzalo drinks from a lady's shoe (how disgusting and unsanitary) as Jorge orders Gonzalo to travel to La Mariana.
* Ascanio is drunk and nodding to sleep in the back of a cart on the street. Mario walks past, and hears Ascanio muttering. Mario was at the brothel. Ascanio vents his disgust with his life - no home, no boss, all alone. Mario questions him about his family - Ascanio grumbles about his mother is dead and the rest is far away across the sea. Mario asks if he has a girlfriend. Ascanio says once but she disappeared long ago. Mario says so there can be another. Ascanio says he's tired of all the secrets. Mario prods Ascanio about what secrets he refers. Ascanio starts to blabber about Alberto and Vasco asking about Rico, and then shuts up. Mario prods and presses for more information; Ascanio blabbers about Rico didn't deserve that bad luck. Mario presses and shakes Ascanio to give up the secret information - Ascanio finally breaks down and says Bermejo was paid by Tim and Fran to frame Rico for murder. Mario is impactado. He splashes Ascanio with wine and grumbles. Ascanio complains about Rico's secret from Cami - Mario explains how much Cami has been told by Rico now. Ascanio vents about the secret that Rico is Lis' cousin - Mario reminds Ascanio to continue to keep that a deep dark secret. They continue their conversation. Ascanio reveals that Tim threaten to put him in prison with the murderers if he told anyone about the scheme. Mario says they're all marked Christians, then sits and plies Mario for his loyalty with more wine.
* A knock on the hotel room door. Rico appears in the dark, shirtless and in his short bloomers and leather sandals on. Rico quickly pulls on his shirt, brandishes his sword and answers the door. Mario quickly enters. Rico closes the door and Mario relays to Rico what the drunk Ascanio just told him about Tim and Bermejo - Rico is impactado, can't believe it. Mario says no actual proof other than Ascanio as witness to Tim paying off Bermejo to frame him for the murder, and Ascanio was drunk when he was telling him this. Rico lights a lamp and Mario continues his report about everything Ascanio told him. Ascanio saw Tim pay a money bag to Bermejo in the salon of the house; and Fran was present at the exchange. This hits Rico really hard - he wonders about her involvement. Mario suspects she was also after his father's estate. Rico chokes back the tears and heartache.
* Ascanio staggers back into Cami's courtyard. Jimena comes out to greet him, and notes he's drunk. She asks him what's wrong? He says he's a disgrace and goes inside. She ponders that thought.
* Seated in the hotel room, Mario continues to tell Rico what Ascanio said, about seeing Tim hand the money bag to Bermejo as Fran watched, and Tim seeing Ascanio in the doorway. Rico imagines the sight as it played out. Mario says that after Ascanio escorted Bermejo out of the house, Tim cornered him and threatened to send him to prison for murderers. Rico is upset especially discovering that Fran was part of the scheme. Rico asks Mario who Ascanio murdered? Mario says the guy who raped his sister. Rico pauses and decides he needs to return to La Mariana. Mario, eager to get back to sea life, wants to go with him. Rico says no, he will go alone; Mario tries to change Rico's mind, but Rico says it's an order to be obeyed. Besides the pirates and Lazaro are on their way, and Mario has to stay and handle things there. Rico will leave tomorrow. Mario says not tomorrow, Jorge's party is tomorrow night. Rico says 'the heck with the party'. Mario tells Rico that Vasco and Alberto are asking lots of questions about him so he has to attend the party. Rico asks who told him this? Mario says "Ascanio, Ascanio." They stare at each other.
* Ursula cleans her teeth with something that looks like dirty lard soap. Knock at the door. She swizzles water and spits before answering. Vasco enters and hugs and kisses Ursula. They flirt as they talk about Alberto and Manuela's investigation of Rico. Vasco and Ursula discuss why each wants the information on Rico. Ursula says that her dad is very interested in Cami again. Vasco won't permit him to take advantage of his sister again. Ursula tries to flirt and get Vasco on her side. He's upset by her comparison between their affair and Jorge's obsession with Cami. Ursula wonders about Cami's relationship with Rico. Vasco isn't sure about that. Ursula assumes that Rico and Jorge are rivals. Vasco ends the conversation and leaves for the door. Ursula warns him if he leaves to never return. Vasco takes a deep breath, looks at Ursula and leaves. Ursula is upset and grumbles, "Idiot!"
* At breakfast, Santo, Ofelia and Ines discuss Rico, Lis and Fran's visit to their house yesterday. They discuss the problem between Cami and Lis. Ines gives her favorable opinion about Rico as a gentleman. Santo feels nauseous.
* At Cami's picnic patio area, Claudio tells Cami and Jimena about his meeting with Lis and her aunt and Rico at Ofelia's house, and about Rico's new house. Ascanio wanders outside and joins them. Claudio and Cami asks him about his meeting with Don Alberto. Ascanio apologizes to Cami but he wants to obtain his business dream on his own; refuses to accept her offer for financial backing. She insists on helping him as a friend.
* At the blacksmith shop, Ofelia interrupts Santo as he pounds away at the large safe trunk for Justo. She asks him about his reaction to Ines' comments of Rico. He tries to shrug it off but mama is insistent. Santo vents his problem with Rico; thinks he is engaged to Ursula and wants to start something with Cami only for entertainment. Justo stops by and interrupts. Santo shows Justo the trunk. Justo compliments him on the work, and wonders about payment. Santo says no need; he's getting paid enough from Rico for the large job over at Rico's mansion. Justo insists on paying something for the work. Ofelia asks Justo for his opinion about Cami, Rico and Ursula. Justo says that Rico and Ursula aren't, nor have ever been engaged. Justo thinks Cami and Rico should be together and Rico should take Cami away from there.
* Alone on the patio, Cami and Ascanio continue to discuss her loan offer. he explains about secret shames. she tries to get him to open up. he refuses. she thinks he is speaking about the murder in his past. he says yes that's it. she repeats that if he accepts another offer over hers, she will feel really hurt and angry with him. Cleo answers the front door. Ofelia enters and walks over to greet Ascanio and Cami.
* In the mansion courtyard, Rico explains to Fran and Lis that he has to return to La Mariana, Don Gaspar sent him an urgent message and he has to meet with him. Rico has to assure Lis and Fran that he will return as soon as he can; also as soon as the house is ready, he will move Lis and Fran there. Ursula and Manuela come out and interrupt. They greet Rico, and practically ignore Fran and Lis sitting there. Ursula wants to speak in private with Rico, he says whenever she wishes; she then reminds him about the party tonight. He nods. Ursula and Manuela return inside the mansion. Lis asks Rico if he actually is interested in her. Rico laughs, says she's too proud and isn't worth his time. He asks Fran about his mother's relationship with Tim (why the animosity?) Fran explains about how when his parents married, Tim cut off all communication with her. Rico asks how much influence Tim had over his parents. Fran cuts off the subject, saying the three are dead, let them rest in peace. Rico wipes his lips and thought bubbles to himself.
* In the entry hall by the stairs, Manuela asks Ursula about her continued plan to conquer Rico; if it is worth it. Ursula says she won't let Cami or anyone else have him. Manuela continues to give her opinions, and then on the stair landing, Manuela mentions Ursula's affair with Vasco. Ursula turns and scolds Manuela for her opinions. Manuela whines in her own defense. Ursula isn't interested and storms upstairs. Manuela following, like an abused little puppy dog.
* In the salon, Ofelia tells Cami about Rico's visit to their house. And Santo's opinions about him. Ofelia sort of gives her approval for Cami and Rico's relationship then changes the subject to Ines, and her continuing dream of being with Vasco. Cami sighs. Ofelia says she and Santo were thinking that Ascanio may make a good husband for Ines. Cari brings out the tea set and leaves. Cami isn't sure about Ascanio, she doesn't know too much about him except that he's a good man who wants to have his own business. They discuss Ines' fantasy about Vasco and Ofelia mentions the rumor that Vasco and Ursula are lovers. Cami is impactado.
* Paco is in the tree eating an apple (or some kind of fruit). He calls out, "Papa! Papa! Are you through with your business now?" Vasco says no, not yet. Vasco plucks his young son out of the tree. Paco tells Vasco about his reading and that he found a paper and was trying to read it, to practice his reading, but can't understand it. In the yard, Paco gets the bright idea that Vasco can help him read it and they can discover the surprise together. Paco pulls the paper out of his shoe and hands it to Vasco. Vasco opens it and starts to read the signature "Don Bonifacio Gomez". Paco asks who that is? Vasco doesn't respond, he continues to read the burnt letter, and Paco continues to ask what it says. Vasco finally says, nothing, and don't tell anyone about this, kapish? Vasco and Paco pinky-swear to keep this secret.
* At the front gate, all dressed up, Cami is having second thought about attending the party. Jimena has to convince and practically drag Cami out the gate and to the carriage.
* Out on the street, Rico and Mario talk. Rico hopes this is quick. Mario assures him that the bags are packed and ready for his departure. They do another version of their shoulder thing, laugh and Rico walks to the mansion. Mario spots Santo and Ines on the street and joins them. Just then, Cami and Jimena pull up in their carriage. Santo has to hold Ines back from saying hello. In the carriage, Cami finishes telling Jimena about the rumor of Vasco and Ursula. Jimena is very interested, surprised by the news. As they get out of the carriage, Cami rewarns Jimena about Don Jorge the leech. They go to the door of the mansion.
* The stage announcer presents the talented opera singer, Dona Ofelia Gorra. Dona Ofelia walks out to applause and starts to sing (warms up her vocal cords).
* Sofia and Fortunata greet Cami and Jimena in the door tunnel and usher them inside the courtyard. Across the courtyard, Alberto points them out to Jorge; Rico spots the ladies also. As Fran and Lis sit at their table and enjoy the singer's warm up, Jorge walks over to Cami and Jimena to greet them and take them to their table. Jorge sits and tells Cami and Jimena that the servants are there to treat them like royalty. As everyone enjoys the opera singer's warm-up, Rico watches and grimaces as Jorge clinks glasses with Cami and starts to flirt with her. Fran also spies on Jorge and Cami from her table. Rico can't stand it and walks over to the table. Cami coughs as she swallows her wine. Rico asks to join their table. Jorge permits it. Rico sits down and compliments the ladies on how elegant they look tonight. Jimena returns the compliment to the gentlemen. Rico asks Cami how she's doing? Cami says fine, thank you. Jorge asks Rico about their relationship. Cami starts to explain that Rico isn't accustomed to the opera. Rico makes a joke (I think). Jorge asks another question about the relationship - country mouse vs. city mouse. Jimena comments with her explanation/cover-up. Jorge asks another question, and Rico explains his own position and then compliments Cami on her captivating beauty. She thanks him and tells him to not be so presumptuous again. He agrees. Everyone applauds the end of the opera singer's warm-up. Fran and Lis discuss Rico sitting with Jorge, Cami and Jimena. They whisper together why he's with them, what they are discussing, his plan. Lis is upset by Cami's description. The next song starts. Rico stands and asks Cami to dance with him. Jorge says he had the same idea, and since he's the host, he should have the first dance. Rico sits down as Jorge and Cami join the other line dancers on the pathways. As they watch, Jimena and Rico have a private conversation about Cami and her feelings towards him vs. Jorge the creep. Jimena whispers to Rico that Cami really likes him, she's only concerned about him returning to his life at sea, but dreams about him as husband and father to her children. Rico smiles and is very interested and surprised. Jimena advises him if he insists a little, he may just win Cami over. Rico asks why Jimena is interested? Jimena explains her motivation, and then says Antillano if I can't have you, then let my friend have you. He smiles and agrees.
* Vasco sits by himself on the office loft stairs. He reads what's left of the medical letter. He thought bubbles what he should do with it.
* More operatic performances by Dona Ofelia, Gonzalo and another guy. Alberto orders Manuela to stop sitting by herself and go over and make friends with Lis and Fran. Manuela scurries off like a tortured little puppy dog. At the table, Fran and Lis are discussing Rico's sudden interest in his parents and her father, and Fran's statement of the three being dead and not to discuss them again. Fran ends the topic quickly. Manuela then joins them at the table. Manuela compliments Lis on her dress. Lis asks if Manuela has other friends besides Ursula. Manuela explains how her father selects her friends for her.
Rico tells Jorge about his trip tomorrow. Jorge questions him about the trip and pirates. Rico explains how the ship will be loaded with his new furnishings and he has to go to help the ship's captain navigate the waters from here to La Mariana. Jorge ponders La Mariana; and asks how far is that, one or two days? Rico says yes. That's when Ursula appears in the distance doorway. Jorge excuses himself to walk over to her. Rico keeps an eye on Jorge and Ursula as he talks with Cami. He needs to talk with her. She asks why is he being so blunt with Jorge just now. He explains; and asks her if he can see her bright and early tomorrow morning. She asks what does he want to talk about? He says many important things. He smiles at her. She smiles back.
ADVANCE: More Party Fireworks! Rico and Cami kiss!
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muchas gracias JR!
totally agree about the disgusing drinking wine out of a shoe incidence. just to think about all the pig and donkey residue on the mud-infested feet that go inside those shoes makes me gag.
poor rico; what a dissappointment to find out that he lady he is now protecting is the same one who ruined his life...who can you trust in this world?? but ric looked great in the dark. if there could be a picture in the dictionary next to the word 'to tempt', it would be a picture of ric. ah.
just wondering, i thought acanio said he killed a guy who raped his sister...no? i believe he said 'se aprovecho de mi hermana', which means "he took advantage of my sis", which in turn translates to rape from what i know. i might be wrong though.
can't wait for the kiss tonight! u go rico suave... ;)
totally agree about the disgusing drinking wine out of a shoe incidence. just to think about all the pig and donkey residue on the mud-infested feet that go inside those shoes makes me gag.
poor rico; what a dissappointment to find out that he lady he is now protecting is the same one who ruined his life...who can you trust in this world?? but ric looked great in the dark. if there could be a picture in the dictionary next to the word 'to tempt', it would be a picture of ric. ah.
just wondering, i thought acanio said he killed a guy who raped his sister...no? i believe he said 'se aprovecho de mi hermana', which means "he took advantage of my sis", which in turn translates to rape from what i know. i might be wrong though.
can't wait for the kiss tonight! u go rico suave... ;)
hmmm.... this didn't show in the previous comment i posted due to the obstruction in the first sentence: muchas gracias JR! :)
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: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 2:04:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 2:04:00 PM EST
Excellent recap, thank you. This story is now getting a lot more interesting. Think of this - LaFont, Lis and Auntie Fran all lined up together as good buddies, and all out to get the Cami/Ric inheritence. There is a lot of skullguggery in store for us with this trio at work.
Who knows? LaFont might even recruit Ascanio to marry his daughter and become his ally. My, my how the tide will turn.
Shirtless Ric in the shadows was definitely a WOW moment.
From lower Ala
Who knows? LaFont might even recruit Ascanio to marry his daughter and become his ally. My, my how the tide will turn.
Shirtless Ric in the shadows was definitely a WOW moment.
From lower Ala
You were able to see "leather sandals"?! I was paused at the "shirtless". Good-eye, good-eye :)
And my fleeting thought about that metal safe trunk was that would fit a body, nicely. ...maybe the QuarterBack. Why would you need to get drunk to make a decision about protecting your sister?!
And my fleeting thought about that metal safe trunk was that would fit a body, nicely. ...maybe the QuarterBack. Why would you need to get drunk to make a decision about protecting your sister?!
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 2:24:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 2:24:00 PM EST
Great Recap.
Tash, are right about Ascanio. He killed a man who raped his sister.
And something else:
When Ric asks Ximena about her motives, her answer is:
Ay Antillano sino lo puedo tener yo, pues que lo tenga mi amiga no?
Antillano, if I could not have you, then let my friend take you.
HJ
Tash, are right about Ascanio. He killed a man who raped his sister.
And something else:
When Ric asks Ximena about her motives, her answer is:
Ay Antillano sino lo puedo tener yo, pues que lo tenga mi amiga no?
Antillano, if I could not have you, then let my friend take you.
HJ
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 2:33:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 2:33:00 PM EST
It’s pretty amazing that Cami hasn’t had to go through a Liza Doolittle phase. She gets money and – poof! – she knows how to dress up, how to do her hair, how to function in high social circles, how to do the courtly dance.
A couple of thoughts about the day before yesterday, as I didn’t have to opportunity to comment yesterday:
1. I wonder if the closed caption people are having a little bit of fun with us. When the dead rat (rata) was found in Ric’s new digs, the captions said it was a dead frog (rana).
2. What’s up with Rita coming out to see the group when Fran and Liz were visiting – in her nightie? Would you come out in a nightie when high society ladies were visiting? I think not.
My head is just spinning from these recent episodes where the characters sit around in great costumes, in great sets, and endlessly develop the plot by talking about it, but nothing much actually happens that we can look at except the characters looking impactodos. The extensive text all flies by and I am hard put to keep up. I feel they are breaking a main rule of drama, which is that you should show, and not just tell.
A couple of thoughts about the day before yesterday, as I didn’t have to opportunity to comment yesterday:
1. I wonder if the closed caption people are having a little bit of fun with us. When the dead rat (rata) was found in Ric’s new digs, the captions said it was a dead frog (rana).
2. What’s up with Rita coming out to see the group when Fran and Liz were visiting – in her nightie? Would you come out in a nightie when high society ladies were visiting? I think not.
My head is just spinning from these recent episodes where the characters sit around in great costumes, in great sets, and endlessly develop the plot by talking about it, but nothing much actually happens that we can look at except the characters looking impactodos. The extensive text all flies by and I am hard put to keep up. I feel they are breaking a main rule of drama, which is that you should show, and not just tell.
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 2:35:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 2:35:00 PM EST
maggie -- i believe cami knows how to dress and behave now because she was trained by old timmy to be a proper lady. during the year she lived with him, she spent countles hours learning how to paint, play chess, dress, behave like a high society lady, etc...
Maggie commented on Cami's sudden social graces. After she took up residence with Don Timoteo, he had tutors, etc. come to the house to teach her social graces, dancing, art, and all the accomplishments of a lady.
Aunt Fran's participation in the betrayal of Rico was a shock. So she doesn't just look sour, she is sour all the way through.
La Paloma
Aunt Fran's participation in the betrayal of Rico was a shock. So she doesn't just look sour, she is sour all the way through.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 3:30:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 3:30:00 PM EST
I felt bad for Ric when he found out that his aunt took part in his being framed for murder which makes me wonder what else does Ascanio know. Ric in the dark shirtless. Wow. I loved the way Ric stared at Camila with intensity when he joined them at the table. The sparks for definitely flying. I can't wait for tonights show.
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 3:43:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 3:43:00 PM EST
I meant to say the sparks were definitely flying LOL. Still drooling over Ric shirtless.
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 3:45:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 3:45:00 PM EST
Well, I'm still blushing that I didn't recognize Ascanio in the preview scene from the other night. I thought Mario had caught someone who was on his way to kill somebody.
I've also noticed some funky captions - I've seen quite a few misspellings of LaFont's name, especially (one time I think they spelled it "alacron" or something equally crazy).
I was surprised Vasco didn't destroy the remnants of the doctor's letter as soon as he recognized them. Well... if he'd been a real person I'd have been surprised, but this is typical behavior for a telenovela character!
I hope Manuela suddenly grows a backbone. Failing that, maybe she could use a big stick. And hit people with it. Especially Ursula, always swatting her with a napkin, hankie, whatever's handy.
Ursula really seems to enjoy hitting people. Maybe Claudio's cousin is a good match for her after all.
I've also noticed some funky captions - I've seen quite a few misspellings of LaFont's name, especially (one time I think they spelled it "alacron" or something equally crazy).
I was surprised Vasco didn't destroy the remnants of the doctor's letter as soon as he recognized them. Well... if he'd been a real person I'd have been surprised, but this is typical behavior for a telenovela character!
I hope Manuela suddenly grows a backbone. Failing that, maybe she could use a big stick. And hit people with it. Especially Ursula, always swatting her with a napkin, hankie, whatever's handy.
Ursula really seems to enjoy hitting people. Maybe Claudio's cousin is a good match for her after all.
OMG!!! Came in when Ric was buttoning the shirt. Bummed I missed it. He just makes me melt.
Loved the "pinkie promise" with Vasco & the ankle biter. Didn't know that custom was 300 years old.
I'm afraid Vasco will use the letter to further his chances with Ursula (yuck)...hope I'm wrong.
As always, thanks for the recaps! I'd be lost without them.
M from CT ;-)
Loved the "pinkie promise" with Vasco & the ankle biter. Didn't know that custom was 300 years old.
I'm afraid Vasco will use the letter to further his chances with Ursula (yuck)...hope I'm wrong.
As always, thanks for the recaps! I'd be lost without them.
M from CT ;-)
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 4:32:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 4:32:00 PM EST
Darn! Why did it have to be so dark when Ric was shirtless??? It was so hard to get a good look!!!
Tonight's show will hopefully be a good one! Great recap!
Tonight's show will hopefully be a good one! Great recap!
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 5:01:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 5:01:00 PM EST
Tash and La Paloma - you're right! I didn't think of the time when Cami was with Tim getting training in the gentle arts. I don't recall dance lessons, but maybe I fell asleep at a pivotal moment...
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 5:23:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 5:23:00 PM EST
thank you tash and HJ for catching the dialogue. I just made the corrections in the recap.
about the sandals -- I didn't see them initially. I noticed them when Rico walked and opened and closed the hotel room door.
J.R. :)
about the sandals -- I didn't see them initially. I noticed them when Rico walked and opened and closed the hotel room door.
J.R. :)
Hello to all =)
I hadn't had a chance to get to all the recaps, but I'm caught up to Wednesday's and to today's comments. I know there was a question on why Sofia wants to know if Santi is Jorge's kid. As we saw in Alborada, when noblemen (and I suspect those who got their wealth through appointment like Jorge) died without leaving a male heir, their fortune would automatically go to the church, leaving the family destitute. This is why Jorge is in such a hurry to marry off Ursula, so she can have a son (currently she has a daughter, so it's no good). I don't think Sofia is too worried about Ursula (still has money from her previous hubby) and Sofia would probably just join a convent or something as she's not all into the rich nobility scene (can you blame her?) but I think she figures:
a) If Santi is going to inherit all of dad's money, Whoresula doesn't have to marry.
b) Rather than having some corrupt church officials (many were in those days) get Jorge's money, why not give it to some nice boy who could use it?
c) She's always felt terrible for all of the fatherless children her lascivious hubby has left behind, she'd like for once to have one of them profit.
When you think about it, it goes to show that Jorge was right about Sofia always getting her way in the end!
In reference to Ascanio, I got the impression he did indeed go to jail for killing the man who raped his sister. That's how he got stuck between having to serve evil Tim or going back to that particular prison (probably even worse than the one for pickpockets). The reference to his drinking was not that he had to get drunk to kill the rapist, but that he was drunk now, and that's why he was confusing himself as he was spilling the beans to Mario. It was nice to get a little Tim back, even if he wasn't talking. He was a fun villain.
As it has been mentioned, a "novio" or "novia" also means fiance, and indeed meant that in those days when there was no "dating." There could be courtship (though in arranged marriages they'd usually skip that part), and then the engagement (sometimes incredibly brief as we saw in Zorro) and then the marriage. So by telling Camila he wants to be her "novio," Ric was basically saying he wanted to be engaged to her.
I'm told that in many South American countries, they still use "novio" to mean a very serious relationship, usually engaged or living together, and a guy you're only dating is called "pelado." In Mexico "pelado" is just some random guy, and can even mean someone without class, so I found it quite odd, but they probably think it's odd that we would call someone we were just dating a "novio," so there you have it.
Gotta run. I'm taping tonight and praying to the VCR Gods not to muck it up for me!
I hadn't had a chance to get to all the recaps, but I'm caught up to Wednesday's and to today's comments. I know there was a question on why Sofia wants to know if Santi is Jorge's kid. As we saw in Alborada, when noblemen (and I suspect those who got their wealth through appointment like Jorge) died without leaving a male heir, their fortune would automatically go to the church, leaving the family destitute. This is why Jorge is in such a hurry to marry off Ursula, so she can have a son (currently she has a daughter, so it's no good). I don't think Sofia is too worried about Ursula (still has money from her previous hubby) and Sofia would probably just join a convent or something as she's not all into the rich nobility scene (can you blame her?) but I think she figures:
a) If Santi is going to inherit all of dad's money, Whoresula doesn't have to marry.
b) Rather than having some corrupt church officials (many were in those days) get Jorge's money, why not give it to some nice boy who could use it?
c) She's always felt terrible for all of the fatherless children her lascivious hubby has left behind, she'd like for once to have one of them profit.
When you think about it, it goes to show that Jorge was right about Sofia always getting her way in the end!
In reference to Ascanio, I got the impression he did indeed go to jail for killing the man who raped his sister. That's how he got stuck between having to serve evil Tim or going back to that particular prison (probably even worse than the one for pickpockets). The reference to his drinking was not that he had to get drunk to kill the rapist, but that he was drunk now, and that's why he was confusing himself as he was spilling the beans to Mario. It was nice to get a little Tim back, even if he wasn't talking. He was a fun villain.
As it has been mentioned, a "novio" or "novia" also means fiance, and indeed meant that in those days when there was no "dating." There could be courtship (though in arranged marriages they'd usually skip that part), and then the engagement (sometimes incredibly brief as we saw in Zorro) and then the marriage. So by telling Camila he wants to be her "novio," Ric was basically saying he wanted to be engaged to her.
I'm told that in many South American countries, they still use "novio" to mean a very serious relationship, usually engaged or living together, and a guy you're only dating is called "pelado." In Mexico "pelado" is just some random guy, and can even mean someone without class, so I found it quite odd, but they probably think it's odd that we would call someone we were just dating a "novio," so there you have it.
Gotta run. I'm taping tonight and praying to the VCR Gods not to muck it up for me!
Thanks JR! I really can't believe Vasco is pondering what to do with the letter. I thought he said he wouldn't go against his family just to please Ursula. What else could he be thinking?
Tia Fran has always seemed cold so I guess I shouldn't be surprised with her betrayal of Ric, but I am. And I am curious about what Ric will do about it since she's Lisabeta's constant companion and he wants to take care of her (Lis).
As a first time Colunga viewer I must say Ric's liquid pools of hawtness are certainly working for me. And the shirtless in the shadows scene was a nice touch!
Tia Fran has always seemed cold so I guess I shouldn't be surprised with her betrayal of Ric, but I am. And I am curious about what Ric will do about it since she's Lisabeta's constant companion and he wants to take care of her (Lis).
As a first time Colunga viewer I must say Ric's liquid pools of hawtness are certainly working for me. And the shirtless in the shadows scene was a nice touch!
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 6:05:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 6:05:00 PM EST
Thanks, J.R.!
Gotta say drinking from a whore's shoe...phew!! Ric in semi-shadow was almost more than a body could take, and gives "anticipation" a whole nother side to it. Now, kudos to the camera man who got just the right angle on Fer. That look of rapt attention and lusting approbation when he came over to Cami's table was indescribably delicious --well almost insdescribable.
Gotta say drinking from a whore's shoe...phew!! Ric in semi-shadow was almost more than a body could take, and gives "anticipation" a whole nother side to it. Now, kudos to the camera man who got just the right angle on Fer. That look of rapt attention and lusting approbation when he came over to Cami's table was indescribably delicious --well almost insdescribable.
Thanks Margarita for explaining why Sophia is eager to find out if Santi is Jorge's son. It makes sense. Also makes her an even nicer person than she's been so far.
Am finally getting hooked by Pasion --especially Ric. Wow!
Did Camila actually say to Jimena that she was thinking of what it would be like to have kids with Ric but didn't like his being at sea? Or was Jimena actually moving things along in her own way. I thought that Camila said that she wasn't interested in him because of his life at sea and she would never know whether he'd come home alive or dead, and since she wanted to have kids she didn't think it would work. I don't have titles so Im just relying on what I THINK I hear.
The recap was very helpful. Thanks.
NJSUE
Am finally getting hooked by Pasion --especially Ric. Wow!
Did Camila actually say to Jimena that she was thinking of what it would be like to have kids with Ric but didn't like his being at sea? Or was Jimena actually moving things along in her own way. I thought that Camila said that she wasn't interested in him because of his life at sea and she would never know whether he'd come home alive or dead, and since she wanted to have kids she didn't think it would work. I don't have titles so Im just relying on what I THINK I hear.
The recap was very helpful. Thanks.
NJSUE
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 8:07:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 8:07:00 PM EST
Thanks JR!
Does anyone know:
1. Are they saying they can cross the ocean in 1-2 days? That is when Ric goes back to La Mariana. Where is that?
2. Can LaFont force Ascanio to marry his daughter? I mean other than blackmail/extortion. What are their rules for marrying their girls off?
It's nice to see a smart gal like Sofia in the mix. But, it's even nicer to see Ricardo shirtless...
jb--Iron Jack Cash
Does anyone know:
1. Are they saying they can cross the ocean in 1-2 days? That is when Ric goes back to La Mariana. Where is that?
2. Can LaFont force Ascanio to marry his daughter? I mean other than blackmail/extortion. What are their rules for marrying their girls off?
It's nice to see a smart gal like Sofia in the mix. But, it's even nicer to see Ricardo shirtless...
jb--Iron Jack Cash
Permalink posted by : Friday, January 11, 2008 at 8:54:00 PM EST
: Friday, January 11, 2008 at 8:54:00 PM EST
I just finished rewatching tonight's episodio. I didn't hear a conversation about traveling the ocean in 1-2 days. Ric does tell Sofia and Don Jorge that he will be gone for two weeks and in "a few" days (unos dias) Lis and Fran should be moving into the new house. Is that what you're referring to?
Thanks, Margarita, for explaining why Sofia is so interested in finding out the true father of Saintly. I figured she was trying to find a way to some how bring about Jorge's demise and it didn't make any sense to me.
What i got from Ricardo's travel plans was that he was going to La Mariana for two weeks to try to straighten out his affairs. When he mentioned his impending trip to Don Horehay, the don asked (for his own information, because he was planning to send a minion out there), "La Mariana, how far is that, 1 or 2 days?" --Agnes
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 6:43:00 AM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 6:43:00 AM EST
Thanks for the info, Cuzzin Cash and Agnes! Yes, it was that conversation with Whorehey that was confusing to me. It was more a question than a statement of fact on his part.
Boy am I glad I copied last night's episode. There were quite a few things that flew by...
jb--Iron Jack Cash
Boy am I glad I copied last night's episode. There were quite a few things that flew by...
jb--Iron Jack Cash
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 8:05:00 AM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 8:05:00 AM EST
Thanks to all the recappers for the past few days. I've been ''down the shore'' for a little vacation before the spring semester begins. I didn't spot any pirates or pirate ships on the horizon, but pirates seemed to be a populasr theme in the gift shops and there were black t-shirts for sale with piraty sayings on them. However, I could not talk Hub into buying the one that read ''PIRATE...Prepare to be boarded.'' I'd love to see Mario and Ric in that shirt. Anyhoo, the bed and breakfast did have Univision, and I was able to watch Pasion . With my still very limited Spanish, I guessed at what was happening, but I appreciated reading the recaps when I returned home yesterday and getting all the details from all you excellent recappers. So, Ascanio o o wants to be a baker. Right now, I am picturing Ascanio o o o covered in flour, smelling like a Cinnabon as he offers me bread fresh from the oven....mmmmmmmm. Nothing says loving like something from the oven. All my senses are reeling. I like the image better than the hot forge and Saintly and Chip N Dale pounding metal. Ascanio o o told Mario that his girlfriend disappeared a long time ago...will this be important ??? Tia Fran is becoming more and more of a villain...taking over that job for Tio Tim. I appreciated Ric in the night in his skivvies. Now, that's good television. Not quite up to Luis undressing in front of a smirking Felipe in Alborada, but a definite step in the right direction. And, one closing comment for Camila....ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND ??? Ric, the QB all the girls crave is asking YOU to the prom and you are hesitating??? He/She who hesitates is lost...or groped by Don Whorehey. Thanks to all the recappers...you are the greatest.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 1:40:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 1:40:00 PM EST
Ok, now. some of you all seem to have a handle on the more obscure characters such as the names of Camila's two maids (Chismosa Cleotilde and the cute little girl in the headscarf who opened the gate for Claudio). Where do you find this stuff out? And, who the heck is this Don Gaspar that Ricky has gone to see? I thought I heard padrino bandied about. Is this a major player? Have we ever seen him? Is he on the side of good? Curious minds want to know. I am so addicted, my husband is rolling his eyes and thought bubbling "get a life". Muchas gracias. --Agnes
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 2:08:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 2:08:00 PM EST
Agnes~~~I think that Don Gaspar is Ric's padrino. He visited him when he was still a pirate and asked him for his advice. He knows that Ric did not kill anyone and was unjustly accused. I think that he is a priest. Maybe Ric is going to see him again to tell him what's been happening and ask if he knows that Tia Fran went along with Tio Tim's framing Ric to get Ric's inheritance from his father, the brother Tim hated so vehemently and whose portrait Tim kept stabbing with his sword.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 3:07:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 3:07:00 PM EST
Thank you Mad Bess! It's been driving me crazy that there was a character of such importance that I knew nothing about. But, you reminded me. We saw him early on. The guy with the grey page-boy haircut. Rick used to visit him, when he came ashore at Mariana, wearing that ridiculous monk's costume as a disguise. He's some kind of cleric, high enough in the ranks to be wearing lace on his red robes.
And a language question for all you experts: what's the difference between esposo and marido? Are they interchangeable, or is there a subtle semantic nuance that I need to know?
Gracias otra vez--Agnes
And a language question for all you experts: what's the difference between esposo and marido? Are they interchangeable, or is there a subtle semantic nuance that I need to know?
Gracias otra vez--Agnes
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 3:31:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 3:31:00 PM EST
Agnes:
According to the Spanish speaking posters on their discussion boards the reply from South Americans, Mexicans as well as Spaniards is that they are interchangeable. Marido is more common though, and many say esposo is a bit more formal and old-fashioned. It just depends on the particular country.
According to the Spanish speaking posters on their discussion boards the reply from South Americans, Mexicans as well as Spaniards is that they are interchangeable. Marido is more common though, and many say esposo is a bit more formal and old-fashioned. It just depends on the particular country.
Mad bess/susanlynn: You gave me the giggles again. I just got to thinking that in none of the novelas I've seen Marcelo Córdoba (Ascanio) in, have I seen him without a shirt. Maybe in Amar Sin Limites, but I didn't watch anything except the closing minutes while he was in it. When Saintly offered him a job at the forge my eyes lit up for sure!
Jardinera~~~I don't remember a barechested Marcelo either...and I think I'd remember. As for the eye candy, the award goes to whichever genius had Luis on Alborada wounded on the side giving us viewers episode after episode of a shirtless Luis lying in bed , grimacing charmingly as he leaned in to kiss Hippolita, and having his bandages changed by Cristobal and Catalina. I am eternally grateful to whomever was responsible for that particular plotline. As for the lovely Ascanio o o , perhaps he could get a little messy rolling out the dough and have to remove his apron and change his shirt...one lives with hope. The man is F.I.N.E. ...definitely galan material.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 5:55:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 5:55:00 PM EST
I thought that Ric decided he had to go to Mariana (somewhere in the Carribean?) when he found out who the real killer (of whoever he is accused of off-ing) was. What he plans on doing to the guy when he gets there, if he can find him, should be interesting. The business of seeing the padrino is just a cover up, since he said he supposedly got a message from the guy wanting to see him and there was no such message. I don't know if he knows more than the supposed killer's name and maybe the old padre will help him out there. Things are definitely heating up romantically, at last. JudyG.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 6:08:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 6:08:00 PM EST
J. R., as always you’ve given us a great recap. Thanks!
“Manuela comes to the doorway of the office, smiles shyly to Ascanio and says her dad will be out to see him soon.” I played the opening credits today with stopping and replaying; there are some interesting pairings in their as other have noted. At one point, Ascanio is holding Manuela tenderly. When I saw this scene in Thursday’s epi, I wondered about it, so this made me wonder more.
“As they leave the dock, they discuss their plan against Don Alvaro.” Ah, thanks, J. R. I wondered what this was about.
“Fran fixes both of them some tea, and wonders about moving to Santo's house - lower class but better morals and cordiality.” Fran must really be desperate.
“Gonzalo drinks from a lady's shoe (how disgusting and unsanitary)” LOL, yep! Ewww. Especially given how rarely they bathed.
Tash—“just to think about all the pig and donkey residue on the mud-infested feet that go inside those shoes makes me gag.” ROTFL, I never thought of that! Double ewwwww.
“Ursula cleans her teeth with something that looks like dirty lard soap.” LOL! Maybe it’s pumice. That’d wear your teeth away after awhile, though.
Jeanne
“Manuela comes to the doorway of the office, smiles shyly to Ascanio and says her dad will be out to see him soon.” I played the opening credits today with stopping and replaying; there are some interesting pairings in their as other have noted. At one point, Ascanio is holding Manuela tenderly. When I saw this scene in Thursday’s epi, I wondered about it, so this made me wonder more.
“As they leave the dock, they discuss their plan against Don Alvaro.” Ah, thanks, J. R. I wondered what this was about.
“Fran fixes both of them some tea, and wonders about moving to Santo's house - lower class but better morals and cordiality.” Fran must really be desperate.
“Gonzalo drinks from a lady's shoe (how disgusting and unsanitary)” LOL, yep! Ewww. Especially given how rarely they bathed.
Tash—“just to think about all the pig and donkey residue on the mud-infested feet that go inside those shoes makes me gag.” ROTFL, I never thought of that! Double ewwwww.
“Ursula cleans her teeth with something that looks like dirty lard soap.” LOL! Maybe it’s pumice. That’d wear your teeth away after awhile, though.
Jeanne
"I wonder if the closed caption people are having a little bit of fun with us. When the dead rat (rata) was found in Ric’s new digs, the captions said it was a dead frog (rana)." Maggie, the Closed Captioners are probably struggling with listening and weren't give a script. Rata, rana--with background noise....who knows what they'll come up with. In Yo Amo a Juan, one night I was puzzled when the caption said that Cesar Luis told Paula he was "breaking the heaven" until I played it back, listened instead of reading, and realized that it was a caption blooper based on the captioner hearing it wrong. It was "Yo rompo el hielo" (I'm breaking the ice) instead of cielo, heaven. It usually means they didn't hear it right and didn't have a script. I sent the blooper to one of my favorite online magazines run by a deaf guy, who loves caption bloopers.
Jeanne
Jeanne
Jardinera/Cousin Dreaded Lucy Cash -
"I didn't hear a conversation about traveling the ocean in 1-2 days. Ric does tell Sofia and Don Jorge that he will be gone for two weeks and in "a few" days (unos dias) Lis and Fran should be moving into the new house." That's what I thought I heard, too, but I could be making it up (to quote my hubby's brother).
Susanlynn/Mad Bess, you give me the giggles, too. You are such a stitch! Yes, Don Gaspar (a cleric) is Ric's godfather and supporter.
Jeanne
"I didn't hear a conversation about traveling the ocean in 1-2 days. Ric does tell Sofia and Don Jorge that he will be gone for two weeks and in "a few" days (unos dias) Lis and Fran should be moving into the new house." That's what I thought I heard, too, but I could be making it up (to quote my hubby's brother).
Susanlynn/Mad Bess, you give me the giggles, too. You are such a stitch! Yes, Don Gaspar (a cleric) is Ric's godfather and supporter.
Jeanne
Iron Jack Cash and Judy G -- I looked for an island named named La Mariana and couldn't find one (in the Caribbean or anywhere else), so it may be a fictitious Caribbean Island. That would make sense in this story.
On the other hand, there are a set of 14 islands called the Northern Mariana Islands that are located between Guam and Japan. They are now a territory of the United States, but during the time period of this telenovela, they were owned by the Spanish. And they were a stopping-off point for goods and treasure coming from Mexico to the Phillippines (also part of the Spanish empire) and perhaps ultimately to Spain. I found no information about slave trading there during that time, but that doesn't mean it didn't go on. I don't know how long a trip that would be in those days but it would sail from the west coast of Mexico, not the Caribbean side. I wonder where San Fernando is.
Today the Mariana Islands are neck deep in controversy because of modern day slavery -- sweat shops and the sex trade.
On the other hand, there are a set of 14 islands called the Northern Mariana Islands that are located between Guam and Japan. They are now a territory of the United States, but during the time period of this telenovela, they were owned by the Spanish. And they were a stopping-off point for goods and treasure coming from Mexico to the Phillippines (also part of the Spanish empire) and perhaps ultimately to Spain. I found no information about slave trading there during that time, but that doesn't mean it didn't go on. I don't know how long a trip that would be in those days but it would sail from the west coast of Mexico, not the Caribbean side. I wonder where San Fernando is.
Today the Mariana Islands are neck deep in controversy because of modern day slavery -- sweat shops and the sex trade.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 7:38:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 7:38:00 PM EST
Talk about your caption capers, I listened and watched it on my dvr and on a video tape then, without the captions, to see how well I could hear and understand knowing the expected dialogue. It was almost useless because the words were so muffled much of the time. I'm so glad this was not the episodio they chose blank out!
Thanks for a great recap. For me, the number of characters is almost overwhelming. So, let me ask a belated, dumb question. Is Lafont related to Rick, Liz & Fran? If so, how? If not, how can he plot to steal the inheritance? What is the relationship between Jorge and Lafont? Why do they live in the same mansion? Thanks in advance.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 8:00:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 8:00:00 PM EST
Madd Mary Rack 'o' Lamb, thanks for the reminder about the Northern Marianas being under the Spanish. There is definitely no way a boat in those days could get from Mexico to the Marianas in Polynesia, though, in under a week, IMO. It's a long way even from Hawaii.
Jeanne (former kama‘aina)
Jeanne (former kama‘aina)
Diane~~~LaFont is Don Jorge's best bud and CEO [Chief Evil Officer]. He does a lot of Jorge's nasty business for him. I don't think that they live in the same casa...it just seems that way because LaFont is always lurking around Jorge's palace. LaFont wanted to court Jorge's daughter Ursula, but Ursula was NOT interested. So, he now seems to have set his cap [he should , by the way, wear a cap with that bad hairdo of his, but I digress] for Lis . He probably thinks that he could figure out some tricky way to get back her inheritance.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 8:36:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 8:36:00 PM EST
Thanks a bunch SusanLynn for the explanation. It's funny that sometimes I wonder about something and instead of asking, I think that I'll figure it out or it'll become clear as the plot unfolds. When that doesn't happen, I'm embarrased because you think folks are gonna wonder why that question is just now coming up. I'm going to erase that thought from my mind because everyone is so helpful.
thanks again. Di
thanks again. Di
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 9:30:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 9:30:00 PM EST
My other half also figures LaFont figures to marry Lis and cash in on her fortune. The added benefit I'd say is she's a beautiful woman who can't see the ratty 'do' he's got, or see how old and grey and paunchy he is. I'd say he might also look for a way to dispose of her literally the same way Claudio's cuz did in his mother. Just a plot thought.
It seemed like Jorge had no idea how long it would take to get to La Mariana either. Well, I have no idea where any of these places are. So, I'm grateful for all the great info on the island, Madd Mary, Rack O'Lamb! Very interesting...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
jb-Iron Jack Cash
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 10:05:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 10:05:00 PM EST
Ah yes, Whorehey and Lafont...Old dudes lusting after young women...it seems like an eternal fact. I just finished reading Ten Thousand Splendid Suns which is a novel set in present day Afghanistan where even today young teenage girls are married off to old dudes. Que the hell ????
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 10:12:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 10:12:00 PM EST
Susanlynn/Mad Bess, as long as old dudes run the world, they get to make the rules about how it runs.
Jeanne (not a good old boy administrator)
Jeanne (not a good old boy administrator)
Just a thought. Wasn't Whoresurla using salt on her teeth? I thought that and baking soda was what they used to use??
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 11:04:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 11:04:00 PM EST
Mad Bess, you said "Old dudes lusting after young women ... Present day Afghanistan where even today young teenage girls are married off to old dudes."
Heck, you don't have to go to San Fernando nor Afghanistan for that. Si no (instead), Hollywood! And I suspect that those bimbos aren't there because Papa pushed them into it, claro que no!
Shallow women want a man who is rich and powerful. Shallow men what a woman who is young and beautiful. So in a town with so many shallow people, the most rich and powerful (and often old) men will get the most young and beautiful women.
I'm not implying that you don't have cradle-robbers elsewhere; I'm just saying it's more common there.
Heck, you don't have to go to San Fernando nor Afghanistan for that. Si no (instead), Hollywood! And I suspect that those bimbos aren't there because Papa pushed them into it, claro que no!
Shallow women want a man who is rich and powerful. Shallow men what a woman who is young and beautiful. So in a town with so many shallow people, the most rich and powerful (and often old) men will get the most young and beautiful women.
I'm not implying that you don't have cradle-robbers elsewhere; I'm just saying it's more common there.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 3:54:00 AM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 3:54:00 AM EST
Jardinera, thank you for the esposo/marido clarification. My latest tactic is to read the esmas synopsis (after the fact, of course) and try work out the translation. My Spanish is improving.
About the opera singer at the party-is this what would be called zarzuela? I know Placido Domingo started out as a child in his parents' zarzuela company in Mexico and that it originated in Spain as a court entertainment that later spread to the colonies. The singer seemed to have a legitimate operatic voice and there was an element of stage action with the other two players. Any music experts out there? --Agnes
About the opera singer at the party-is this what would be called zarzuela? I know Placido Domingo started out as a child in his parents' zarzuela company in Mexico and that it originated in Spain as a court entertainment that later spread to the colonies. The singer seemed to have a legitimate operatic voice and there was an element of stage action with the other two players. Any music experts out there? --Agnes
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 8:50:00 AM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 8:50:00 AM EST
I'm going to play devil's advocate regarding these 2 comments. (1) "I wonder if the closed caption people are having a little bit of fun with us. When the dead rat (rata) was found in Ric’s new digs, the captions said it was a dead frog (rana). (2)" Maggie, the Closed Captioners are probably struggling with listening and weren't give a script. Rata, rana--with background noise....who knows what they'll come up with". My take on this is that the translations are done digitally instead of by a 1:1 human actually listening and interpreting. Similarly, there are even computer programs that can do just the opposite. You type in a word and it gets translated into audio. A lot of times in the closed captions you'll see a bunch of letters like "xcvacmz" for example. A human would never come up with an interpretation that isn't even a word. It's just the opposite with digital equipment.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 11:35:00 AM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 11:35:00 AM EST
Regarding the opening, toward the beginning, on the right-hand side, is that Cami piggy backing Ric? What's that all about; it's very awkward. And, oh my, Gonzalez is still the problem with this novela. There's no spark with Cami and Ric ... she's miscast in this one I'm afraid; Pasion needs a stronger leading lady.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 1:20:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 1:20:00 PM EST
I also have a question about the characters in the opening leads. Is that Inez in the wedding gown? Also, is Rick shown twice? Thanks.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 1:45:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 1:45:00 PM EST
I am in the middle of rewatching Alborada, and I really like Fernando and Lucero together. In fact, all the actors and actresses in that show were very wellcast. I also think that there was a chemistry between Fernando and Adela in Amor Real, and that show also had an excellent supporting cast. I liked Susana in Heridas as the hotbabelawyer, but I agree that she is not as good in this show. I think that some actors and actresses just ''look'' better cast in historical dramas than some others.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 1:48:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 1:48:00 PM EST
Re: the opening---I believe that it is Camila sashaying out of the church in a wedding gown. She is also getting a piggyback ride from Ric. Camila is shown leaving Saintly whereupon she is picked up and swung around by Ric...followed by the piggyback ride...followed by smiling and sashaying out of the church where she hugs some darkhaired women. Ric is shown at the end catching the little boy and then throwing him around. At the end, Saintly is shown outside the church looking miserable [as always] while Rita is shown likewise looking forlorn . Ascaniooo is shown with TioTim and later with Manuela. I think LaFont is shown with Lis. Sofia and Jorge are together.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 1:57:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 1:57:00 PM EST
re: lfmb -- Is this a good price? Have they ever chopped up such a long telenovela before? When one runs for only 5 months the severe cutting doesn't seem as bad, but this one was on for over a year.
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Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 2:09:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 2:09:00 PM EST
Devil's advocate, your proposal, while interesting, isn't how captions are being prepared for closed captioning.
Here's an excerpt from a TV Week article from not long ago:
"With network ratings hitting record lows, the failure to extend closed captioning to the digital world ironically makes TV shows less accessible for some at a time when programming is more widely available than ever.
Although the Federal Communications Commission requires captions for broadcast and cable content, the rules do not cover Internet streaming or digital downloads. That makes extending closed captioning to those media more a matter of corporate responsibility than regulation.
The FCC rules do cover high-definition and video-on-demand delivery, but experts complain that, between companies not complying with regulations and a lack of consumer awareness, many viewers still feel chained to their traditional analog sets.
"The complexity of digital transitioning has made closed captions a low priority," said Larry Goldberg, director of the Media Access Group at the Boston-based public broadcast station WGBH. "
While there is a lot of technology for changing voice to print at the moment (and my employers use it for their meetings, which must have a public record posted on their website), it has not affected how captions are prepared for visual media using the current line 21 technology embedded in all televisions since 1993 (July 1). That may change, but the FCC has given the broadcasters a window of time to make it happen. The captions are essentially still analog, and where they have been digitalized, it is from print (not audio) to print, analog print to digital print.
Jeanne (27 year closed-caption user)
Here's an excerpt from a TV Week article from not long ago:
"With network ratings hitting record lows, the failure to extend closed captioning to the digital world ironically makes TV shows less accessible for some at a time when programming is more widely available than ever.
Although the Federal Communications Commission requires captions for broadcast and cable content, the rules do not cover Internet streaming or digital downloads. That makes extending closed captioning to those media more a matter of corporate responsibility than regulation.
The FCC rules do cover high-definition and video-on-demand delivery, but experts complain that, between companies not complying with regulations and a lack of consumer awareness, many viewers still feel chained to their traditional analog sets.
"The complexity of digital transitioning has made closed captions a low priority," said Larry Goldberg, director of the Media Access Group at the Boston-based public broadcast station WGBH. "
While there is a lot of technology for changing voice to print at the moment (and my employers use it for their meetings, which must have a public record posted on their website), it has not affected how captions are prepared for visual media using the current line 21 technology embedded in all televisions since 1993 (July 1). That may change, but the FCC has given the broadcasters a window of time to make it happen. The captions are essentially still analog, and where they have been digitalized, it is from print (not audio) to print, analog print to digital print.
Jeanne (27 year closed-caption user)
Addendum to above: line 21 technology was specifically assigned by the FCC to closed captions.
Jeanne
Jeanne
It's funny how some people like the chemistry between the leads in Alborada and Amor Real and others don't think there was any. I am easy to please, but I like Fer and Susana together (Well, I like Fer period). However, I have totally spoiled myself on YouTube, so maybe Susana will grow on those who still don't like her in this.
I had a laugh over the shoe drinking. I was once on a tour of the Baltics, and out in a square in the afternoon was a group of Irishmen drinking. They were making one of the guys drink out of a shoe--"the shoe of shame".
Captain Anne Bonney, lurker
I had a laugh over the shoe drinking. I was once on a tour of the Baltics, and out in a square in the afternoon was a group of Irishmen drinking. They were making one of the guys drink out of a shoe--"the shoe of shame".
Captain Anne Bonney, lurker
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 4:10:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 4:10:00 PM EST
Re the Opening: First Camila kisses Santi and then goes to Riccardo, who picks her up snd swings her around and they kiss. In the next shot between them (is this what people are refering to as the Piggy Back ride?) she is hiding behind him and he is (very melodramtically) brandishing his sword when four horsemen come by. Cami looks frightened. Are they the pirates who took her and raped her?
NYSUE
NYSUE
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 6:16:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 6:16:00 PM EST
You know, we wondered who Cami was marrying, right? Well, it seems she runs out and right to Santiago who is dressed like a king, so I figure that must be him as the groom. Just a thought.
Captain Jenny Cash, I'm new to closed captioning (less than 1 year to your 27 years). I've never done any scientific research or had any formal training on how closed captioning is done. So, I'm certainly not one to come back with a rebuttal of your highly technical presentation. Mine was a personal opinion based on advances that have been made in other areas of digital technology. By the way, for me the term "devil's advocate means offering a different approach albiet contrary to what has been presented". That is very different from a "proposal".
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 6:35:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 6:35:00 PM EST
Jardinera~~~I think that they are tricking us at the end having Camila run out of the church with Saintly in the crowd but closer to her and Ric off to the side. I think that she will end up with the Rickster. JMHO It will be fun to wait and see !!! Ric had better start putting the moves on pronto !!!
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 6:43:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 6:43:00 PM EST
Anon 6:35, got it. So far, the technology lags in voice to digital, but it's coming.
Last year there were "junk captions" (like the example you gave of what a human wouldn't have captioned, and you are so right) on every Univision program I received when I first started watching the novelas with Spanish CC. I went back and forth complaining by e-mail to my cable provider, until finally I wrote to the President of the company in Atlanta (cable company). It was sent down to the local folks to fix. After some more evaluation, they discovered that they had obsolete caption broadcasting equipment, incompatible with the CC signal embedded in the broadcasts Univision was sending. The local folks had upgraded their transmission equipment for the audio and visual, but not the third track of the broadcast, CC. By December a year go they got it almost resolved. Now there are almost no junk captions on Univision. For some reason, the transmission problems didn't affect the English programs.
When there is a digital transmission issue with transmission speed, breaking up of signal, etc., the captions can still be bad. In the old days, the locals in stations forgot to flip the switch and we called the station to fuss at them; the captions were so new they just forgot. Ah, those were the days. I'm so glad we're past that!
HDTV is the next new challenge. The technology for captions in HDTV sets was introduced by Zenith in 2002, but not everyone in the broadcast arena is on board and the FCC hasn't laid down the law that it needs to be done as soon as the HDTV signal is broadcast. So, there are some programs that will end up broadcast with captions in digital and analog (analog only until next year) and not on the HDTV channels. The major networks are getting it in compliance, though.
Jeanne
Last year there were "junk captions" (like the example you gave of what a human wouldn't have captioned, and you are so right) on every Univision program I received when I first started watching the novelas with Spanish CC. I went back and forth complaining by e-mail to my cable provider, until finally I wrote to the President of the company in Atlanta (cable company). It was sent down to the local folks to fix. After some more evaluation, they discovered that they had obsolete caption broadcasting equipment, incompatible with the CC signal embedded in the broadcasts Univision was sending. The local folks had upgraded their transmission equipment for the audio and visual, but not the third track of the broadcast, CC. By December a year go they got it almost resolved. Now there are almost no junk captions on Univision. For some reason, the transmission problems didn't affect the English programs.
When there is a digital transmission issue with transmission speed, breaking up of signal, etc., the captions can still be bad. In the old days, the locals in stations forgot to flip the switch and we called the station to fuss at them; the captions were so new they just forgot. Ah, those were the days. I'm so glad we're past that!
HDTV is the next new challenge. The technology for captions in HDTV sets was introduced by Zenith in 2002, but not everyone in the broadcast arena is on board and the FCC hasn't laid down the law that it needs to be done as soon as the HDTV signal is broadcast. So, there are some programs that will end up broadcast with captions in digital and analog (analog only until next year) and not on the HDTV channels. The major networks are getting it in compliance, though.
Jeanne
To whoever asked about zarzuela. Yes that was it at the party. They are little set pieces with light opera music, sometimes involving a couple of different characters, like a mini operetta. The themes are usually romantic comedy stuff. It's about right for the time period too.
Also on the music style comments, the really really wonderful performance of the 'song without words' was a treat. I had heard of about these songs. They were meant to display the singers voice as an instrument.
About the toothpaste, my trivia recall was that the first commercially produced tooth paste included commonly used charcoal used by individuals. I remember catching a character in Amor Real cleaning her teeth with really black stuff.
I LOV period telenovelas!
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About the toothpaste, my trivia recall was that the first commercially produced tooth paste included commonly used charcoal used by individuals. I remember catching a character in Amor Real cleaning her teeth with really black stuff.
I LOV period telenovelas!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 15, 2008 at 12:31:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 at 12:31:00 PM EST
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