Friday, August 27, 2010
El Clon, Fri., August 27 - Summary for Discussion
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Well, I was happy to see that Oswaldo is really the scumbag I thought he was. For a while, I wasn't so sure, but his talk with Miguel left no doubt in my mind. I hope Dora winds up with Miguel.
I do wish Enrique would stop preaching to the choir (us) and start talking to all the idiots in Miami who clearly need to hear what he has to say: Alej, for one, and then Lucas, Marisa, Rosa, and Leonardo. Not to mention Nati.
Wow, Malicia really played the Chump for the chump he is!
I'm glad that Jadiyah seems to have reconciled with Jade, but I confess that Jade's trials and tribulations no longer interest me. They're much too repetitive and thus, ultimately, boring.
I wonder whether Nati and Daniel will encounter each other. So much was made of their friendship when they were young children...there seems little reason for that unless something is made of it now.
Thanks again for the recap. I keep being amazed at what a consistently great job you and NovelaMaven are doing, and not just once a week like most of the CarayCaray recappers, but two or three times. Muchísimas gracias.
I was ready for them to throw away the key to Osvaldo's cell; any sympathy I had for this charming scoundrel is gone. Good luck to Miguel, he's a decent guy.
And Nati is like a fingernail scraping across the chalkboard...make her stop!!!
The actress playing Marisa is quite good, I never thought I would feel any sympathy for her but now I do.
As for Rania, highjacking Jade's veil, that was pretty clever.
Joan
Juanita, I suppose the plot demands that Osvaldo be a jerk to justify the budding romance between Dora and Miguel.(And I've ALWAYS liked Miguel). Even so, I'm disappointed. Maybe one of the underlying themes of this novela is that people never really change, although sometimes they can keep their compulsions under control. A reformed womanizer is still a womanizer; a recovering drug addict is still an addict; and maybe a little girl who adores her mother but is mad at her, is still a little girl who adores her mother. So I have hopes for Jade and Jadiya.
I thought Rania's grabbing the veil and claiming that Jade had given it to her was a mistake. If I were Said, every time I saw Rania wearing the veil, I would resent her even more, precisely for not being Jade.
Oye, didn't Samira already confess to Latifa that she was in love with an occidental? (Although she didn't say it was Carlos and that they were novios).
The issue of Marisa accusing Natalia of stealing is, of course, nicely ironic -- the little girl who cried wolf. Marisa's past false accusations against Alej have stripped her of her moral authority. Nati knows how to use the situation to her full advantage.
Joan, your description of druggy nasty Nati as fingernails scraping a chalkboard is perfect!
Like you Juanita, I hope Daniel and Natalia come to realize they are each other's childhood friends.
I wonder how many people will have to tell Pablo that Malicia is pond scum before he begins to consider that they may be on to something...
Joan and Juanita, you have been so kind in your comments all along. I really appreciate it. Sometimes I'm so hurried or tired that the finished product is not what I had hoped. Without your encouragement and feedback, I doubt there would still be and Clon summarcaps! Thank you.
Interesting idea, NovelaMaven, that the theme of this novela is that the characters don't change. I remember thinking earlier that Cristina was the only character who had changed but with her attitude to Dora, she is reverting to type again, too.
I was also very disappointed in Osvaldo. To say what he did to Miguel after all he has gone through was totally bizarre. I hope Dora falls in love with Miguel. She deserves some happiness in her life.
I certainly hope that Nati and Daniel meet each other. As you noted, what was the point of the childhood friendship otherwise?
I also agree that the actress playing Marisa is doing a great job. She does seem to be changing. We'll see if it 'takes' .
I don't recall Zamira confessing to Latifa that she is in love with a Westerner. I remember Jade telling Zamira not to fall in love with a Westerner and throw her life away.
I just totally hate Enrique!!! I can't stand even looking at him. He is either giving his boring PSAs or behaving like a 2 year old when Leo consults Roberto taking hits on his flask. He doesn't deserve Carolina.
I'm not looking forward to Ali's and Father Andre's confrontation with Albieri on Monday's episode especially since I will have to recap it. I expect them to load on their religious concerns about cloning. Of all the issues about what Albieri did, the least interesting to me are the religious ones. I hope that I'm wrong.
I commented once before expressing my appreciation but I want to express that again with a hundred fold gratitude for all of your hard work. Without your summaries, I would be missing out on so much of the intricacies of the nightly plots. My spanish consists of maybe understanding one or two words per sentence which allows me to get the basics of what is happening. You wonderful ladies fill in so many of the missing blanks for me.
Thanks again.
SEA
You and NovelaMaven really spoil us.
I, too, hope Dora finds some happiness before the end of this telenovela.
Prinny
I am more on Jean's side than Juanita's about Osvaldo. I so much liked the way he was when he got back with Dora that I wanted him to stay that way. His discussion with Miguel was shocking. I think the show misled us for a while about how good a man Osvaldo was.
I am also enjoying Andrea Lopez (Marisa). Cristian Tappan (Escobar) is also well cast; don't forget the work of actors in unlikable roles. To pay him an unusual compliment, he looks like such an idiot.
Speaking of idiots, I think Pablo may be headed down that road, since he has already started to believe the worst about his friends (and ex-girlfriend) without even talking to them about it. Unfortunately, I doubt any of them realize how evil Alicia is, so they won't anticipate this attack.
And yes, Zamira did tell Latifa she had fallen in love with an occidental, when Latifa asked her to promise not to. I think Latifa refused to believe it, but was forced to do so at the party. (Zamira must have been desperate to call Carlos to do so in that setting.)
Well, I'm off to check the classifieds for a "womb for rent".
SEA and Prinny, Thanks so much!
By the way, has anybody ever paid attention to the banner/flag/veil in the show's title cards and opening sequence? I recently noticed it says "elclonefghjiklmnopqrstuvwxyz" (that's "ji", not "ij"), and "jadeymauricioelclon".
-- Have you noticed the big plastic jug of Sunny D-ish stuff in Alej's fridge? Everyone (except the suegros, of course) who comes into the apartment goes right to the fridge, pulls out the jug, and gets ready to drink right out of the bottle. Then Alej swoops it out of their hands and pointedly pours out a glassful. It's sort of his small, ongoing battle to civilize his environment. The jug appears so often, it should be listed in the credits:)
I have noticed in many TNs that there is always a big pitcher of neon-orange colored juice at the ready for breakfast.
Last week, Pablo came over, started to drink from the jug, and Aleg took it away from him and poured him a glass. Then Alej swigged from the jug himself. It was cute!
Joan
thanks for your kind words! This website depends on the willingness of a few (recappers) to donate their personal time for the benefit and enjoyment of many--
Wish we could throw you a party when it wraps up! Maybe a cyber-party?
Joan
Several things have bothered me of late regarding this TN. It really distresses me about the one true love at age 12-13 for these children. Don't they know the value of a good education including education about life. It makes me crazy, the world is changing including in the Muslim world. If Jade had been allowed to go into the medical field as Ali had promised, I guess we would not have a TN.
If Jade only knew why Lucas stood her up when they were going away, I am not sure she still pine for him.
Marisa only wanted Lucas to #1 replace Diego and #2 she wanted the Ferrer name all that went with it. Nati was a convenient means to that end. Even her own family will not have anything to do with her.
I am on the fence about Dora. I understand her wanting a child but why didn't she find another man? Ozzie was up to no good when all this was going on, she should have dumped him then. When motherhood became difficult, she shipped the poor little tyke off to NY so she could continue to dance the night away.
Raina is a mess. Her only goal in life is to be #1 wife. I think anyone would do. She just doesn't want to be sent back to her family. Again, too bad she doesn't have an education to fall back on. Do all these Muslim women have an old maid in the family to be their companion?
Nati and Daniel - no one believed Nati about Daniel and thought he was make believe. If I remember correctly he is the reason that Marisa and Lucas stayed together - they thought little Nati had a make believe friend. I wonder if anyone will put it together?
Rosemary
What do you mean, Anon334?
So disappointed in Osvaldo. Dora’s better off without him. If zebras never changing their stripes is a theme of this novela, then I’m not all that touched with Marisa’s momentary “humanization.” Perhaps Nati will return to her nice self, Alicia will be unmasked, and Cris will bounce back. Hopefully, Jadiya’s change of heart is a step toward the culminating chapters…?
Rosemary
NovelaMaven i like your point of view on people never changing despite how much they do try to change and keeping their compulsions under control.
Great insight into Rania and her not getting it about taking the veil from Said.The irony is she is now wifey number one but in Said's heart she always come second to Jade.
Also loved what you had to say about Marisa and how her little malicious stunt has kind of boomerang back upon her.
Luke what do you mean Pablo is headed down that same road as the Chump? He's catching up pretty quickly to the Chump as far as i'm concern. Here he is giving Alejandro advice about dropping Nati and the bad influence she is for him. Pleading with him to listen to him about her. While others are trying to say the same to him about Malicia but he doesn't see the comparison. Oh the Irony!
By the way, can anybody make sense of Rania wearing a veil at home all the time, even when no guests are present? Shouldn't she show Said her "beauty" (AKA hair) as much as possible? This has been bugging me.
The veil thing has bothered me for some time. It seems that the servants are the only women you see wearing them all of the time. The Naz, Latifa and of course, Jade never wears them when it is just family. There is always oen hanging by the door for them to grab when they go out or they have to answer the door.
For the life of me, I still cannot see what the Ferrer group does for a living. I know that Alberi clons cattle for Leo, The Ferrer Group is going to build a hotel for Said, but none of it makes any sense to me, they are never working. I would like to see a ranch and maybe some hardhats. What am I missing?
Rosemary
Rosemary
I haven't seen it lately but there always used to be 3/4 of a cake with strawberries on it on the counter in Albieri's house. I don't if that signified Luisa's feminine touch or what.
I also wondered about why Rania and Amina wear their veils indoors and I figure that it was to save production costs by not needing hair stylists for them. Jade's hair shows even when she wears a veil and Latifa has the amzing bouffant hair but the other Muslim ladies only get a veil.
As for what they do at Empresa Ferrer, it is a typical novela business where people come and go, gossip all day but yet have large sucessful businesses. It never makes any sense but if we applied such standards to novela, we would be in big trouble.
I sure hope I'm wrong but years of watching novelas is telling me that if Clon were really going to end on Sept. 28, we would already have seen 'muy pronto' promos for its replacement and would probably be in 'ultimas semanas.'
I checked the Wikipedia entry on Clon again. While it used to say that there were 160 episodes filmed, it now says that 183 were filmed. That would mean there are 45 episodes left after Friday, not 23. I know Wikipedia can be unreliable but whoever does this entry keeps it up to date with the episodes. As I said, I hope I am wrong. Nobody wants this to end in September as much as I do.
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Only a few more episodios to go and I will be back to only one TN. This has been a rough summer! Never again!
Rosemary, really interesting comment! I also thought that Marisa, way back when, was just replacing one twin with the other. I believed in the Family Mythology: Marisa and Diego were in love; Lucas served as a pale substitute for his brother here as in so many areas of life.
Yet as others have pointed out, it seemed that Marisa and Diego didn't really know one another that well at the time of his death. Remember how surprised and touched Marisa was when she learned that Diego had her photo in his room? They were two people just starting a romance.
But I contend that it was Lucas that she got to know and with whom she eventually fell in love, even if she started out with the motive of glomming on to the Ferrer fortune and stealing Lucas from Jade.
One scene that has stayed with me: Marisa (using the nom de guerre 'Cindy') and her 'boytoy' David -- he asks her what she wants to do and she says: You be Lucas and I'll be Marisa (!!!!)
When Marisa finally meets Daniel, it is no accident that she sees Lucas in him and not Diego. Even though Leo thinks Marisa shares his Diego-worship, he's wrong. For her, Diego died when he died. Period.
Jean, you said Marisa seems to be changing. I'm not sure. She is showing pain and vulnerability, but even narcissists can be wounded. Being lonely and being selfish are not mutually exclusive. On the contrary, they frequently go hand in hand.
By the way, Marisa's loneliness is even more acute now that Lucas has asked her to keep Natalia's problems in the family and she can't even get the release of confiding in Lucia --- who, ironically, in this instance, might have something sensible to say about getting treatment for Nati.
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Blusamurai, Soooo true about Pablo and the Chump. And I'm sure Malicia's already looking over Pablo's shoulder, choosing her next victim. (Rogelio, anyone?)
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Jardinera, I know how busy you are so it is particularly nice to see you here again. [And I see you've shortened your name, but kept your number. Call me a sentimentalist, but I do miss Blackheart!] :-)
I am not sure that Marisa undergoing a permanent change. Nati's drug problem has reduced her arrogance and she really seems to be concerned about Nati. But once the crisis is past, she may revert to her nasty self.
Remember on the headboard of Albieri's bed there was always a life-size carving (or stuffed) iguana? I always thought that was weird, specially since it was still there after the 20 year jump-ahead.
The prize for creepy still goes to Enrique's shrink's office, with the eeerie wall hangings...
Joan
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