Tuesday, November 05, 2019

Cuna de Lobos, Capitulo 11 Lunes 11/4/19: My Cup Boileth Over


Secrets and lies are a poisonous stew that left simmering too long will boil over the top, leaving a gaseous pollution in the air. These are not the stuff of wolves, who work together and love their cubs, but of reptiles and venom. Reptiles do not care for their young and are barely conscious of them; they act only in their own self-interest. – D.D.

Luis went to the meeting arranged over the phone and it was with Ámbar.
So you have evidence that Doña Catalina is a murderer? Why call me instead of the police?” he asked.
You know who Catalina Creel is. It's a miracle that I'm alive. She tried to kill me when I discovered that she and my husband were lovers. I was kidnapped, taken to another house, put in the garage, fed an overdose of tranquilizers, and thrown into a car trunk. I don't know what would have happened to me if I hadn't managed to escape.”
Does anyone in your family know about this?”
No. They are all convinced that I abandoned my husband. But she is only concealing her crime. She thinks I'm dead, so that's why I asked you to come.”
I don't understand why you called me; remember that I'm only a journalist.”
But you interfered in what was happening. You were at the new line celebration. You know they are criminals. You know about the trafficking in illegal diamonds.”
Because at that moment I was in the middle of an investigation –”
He stopped as Dora entered with coffee.
Thank you, Dora.” She turned back to Luis. “You can talk; I trust her.”
Dora looked at Luis, then excused herself and left them to talk.
I don't have more to say,” Luis said. “I had to abandon the case because of my boss's lack of confidence and because I had no proof of anything.”
I can help with evidence. Catalina and my husband think I'm an idiot, an imbecile who knows nothing, but I know what I'm doing and how to do it. You and I, if you help me, can do this so Catalia pays for everything she's done.”
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El Dragón #26, 11/4/19: Two-Faced




Amigos:

This one isn't up to my usual standard because I was really wiped out. There are some gaps, so if you can ID what happened, please put it in the comments. I will fix this for posterity later.

Miguel once again told Howard that they had no real evidence against him.
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Monday, November 04, 2019

Primetime on Univisión (#1): Amor Eterno - Week of Nov. 4, 2019

Greetings, Caraymates!

Welcome to page 1 of Primetime TNs/Series. AnonFri and Clara are doing an outstanding job of  providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 82-84
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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#1): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of November 4, 2019

Welcome to Page #1 (Monday edition) of the Telemundo y Más page, issued twice a week: Mondays and Thursdays at 8:00 PM.

Here are the current evening telenovelas (all times are Eastern Standard Time):

9-10PM  -  El Final del Paraíso
10-11PM - El Señor de los Cielos
10-11PM - El Secreto de Selena (Sundays only)

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DAYTIME TNs (#1): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Nov. 4, 2019

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·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 42-44
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 16-18

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Saturday, November 02, 2019

Cuna de Lobos Capítulo 10 Fri. 11/1/19 Catalina and the Law of Unintended Consequences--OR--An Heir and a Spare

Over drinks with Francisco, Catalina expresses her concern over the phone calls she has been receiving but insists she is not worried.  Francisco thinks it is just someone who wants to frighten her.  Putting him on the spot, she asks what he would he be willing to do for her. He asks what does she have in mind.

Back at Francisco's, Ambar is lingering in her bedroom as Dora tries to get her to leave because she knows that Francisco is on his way home. Ambar wants some of her clothes. Dora asks her not to take any because she doesn't want Francisco to think she is a thief. Ambar doesn't think he would ever notice as he cares nothing about her. Dora disagrees and urges her to leave. As Ambar barely moves, she and Dora hear Francisco arriving with Catalina.  Out in the hall, Catalina wants to have sex but Francisco tries to get out of it saying it is just too soon (after Ambar disappearing). Catalina won't take "no" for an answer and soon she and Francisco are all over each other.  Dora and Ambar have managed to sneak into the kitchen on the way out.  Ambar grabs a knife as Dora tries to stop her.  Catalina hears a noise from the kitchen. Francisco becomes curious and goes into  the kitchen.  He sees Dora with the knife in her hand. She excuses herself saying she dropped it as she was putting it away. She looks and sounds nervous as she explains that she was just doing some ironing. Francisco reminds her how late it is.  She was just going . . . He gives her a half smile as she leaves but looks concerned.  He tells Catalina that he is sure that Dora saw them. Catalina doesn't care what the servant thinks and they are back at it. Dora and Ambar are still in the house. Ambar starts to wail after seeing Francisco with Catalina. Dora covers her mouth to keep her quiet and leads her out of the house.
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El Dragón #25, 11/1/19: The Fall of Halcon and Toledo Tries to Hook a Big Fish


Good Friday my faithful friends. What an interesting week we have had here on El Dragon. Although Monday night’s episode was a little slow, they did not leave us there and the rest of the week was action packed. 

Tonight’s episode picks up with Epig’s suv under fire. El Halcon has decided that his time is up and is trying to take him out. Last night’s bomb didn’t do the job, but it looks as if it is still not time for Epig to meet his maker as he is driving an armored car and the bullets are bouncing off. Epig, Tacho and Chano escape the “atentado.” I like that word in Spanish better than the equivalent English explanation of an attempt/or action of kill people in the street, it also means attack but again, the word fails to completely capture the idea. Although “hit” would probably do it if set in the right context. 

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Friday, November 01, 2019

El Dragón #24, 10/31/19: Only Coal For His Stocking and Pig Gets A Mocking


Upon discovery, Miguel manages to find the colored wrapping for the efedrin packs (?) as he makes a run through the back and apparently places his brown ball cap on some other unsuspecting worker so that Tacho accuses him of screwing around and not listening.  Mig secretly is able to contact Peligros and tell him to go buy a few things they'll need now.

Hector squirms his way out of having to seduce--or be seduced by--Juana.  He pleads emotional difficulties (Well, whatever pays the rent, right?) and they agree to see each other again.  In the meantime Juana shows him pictures of her and Natalie in her phone, one of which intrigues him.  He takes her phone and sends copies of her pictures to himself while she is changing into something more stimulating--er relaxing.  (A cocktail dress instead of negligee--thanks be to the telenovela gods.

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Thursday, October 31, 2019

Cuna de Lobos, Capítulo 9 Thus. 10/31/19

What follows is AnonFri's recap for this episode.

Alejandro has still not appeared. Jose Carlos starts to humor Catalina on what she will tell the press about the cancelled wedding. It would be a huge scandal. Catalina maintains her composure despite being a bit nervous.

Before leaving Catalina alone, Jose Carlos mentions that someone will be interrogated and she likely won’t pass and will end up saying that she was hired. (The murder he was framed for?) Catalina immediately calls Diego.

Leonora is throwing up in the bathroom. Alejandro asks if she’s ok. She says she is, but he’s not convinced. Leonora first asks him how his trip to Buenos Aires went. He said it went well, but that he needs to talk to her and doesn’t know where to begin. He tells her he wants her to understand him, in the time that he’s been gone he’s thought over somethings and was able to resolve many doubts and realize what he’s doing with her. Leonora lays out the pregnancy test before him. She tells him “This is what you’re doing to me: I’m pregnant.” This was her fourth test already.
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Primetime on Univisión (#2): Amor Eterno - Week of Oct. 28, 2019


Greetings, Caraymates!

Welcome to page 2 of Primetime TNs/Series. AnonFri and Clara are providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 80-81
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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#2): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of October 28, 2019

TELEMUNDO WEEKEND EDITION (continuación)

Here's Page 2 for the week.  The current evening telenovelas are as follows (all times are Eastern Daylight Time):

•   9-10PM—El Final del Paraíso
• 10-11PM—El Señor de los Cielos 7
• 10-11PM—El Secreto de Selena (Sundays only)

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DAYTIME TNs (#2): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Oct. 28, 2019


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·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 40-41
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 14-15

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El Dragón #23, 10/30/19: We Was Robbed!


 Miguel gets the call from the head of El Salado's northern region (Z????) who's always got a phrase of English to show his roots.  "We was robbed!!  They stole our boats!  Right from under our noses!!" (Time to get your 2nd head back behind the zipper.)

The two regional heads meet with Mig to complain and say it was his idea and if he can't put a stop to this kind of "in your face" theft of merchandise --then get out of our way, and we will!   As far as the regional capos see it Mig had a crap plan and it failed.  They already lost half their men in the big shoot out rescuing Dora, now this!  Bullets is the only way to rid ourselves of this traitor!  The two heads believe it was Epigmenio but Mig says they all could have been sold out by their own men.  Mig promises he'll determine first if it was their own men or others who helped pull this off.  He'll get it back.  He's a man of his word.

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Cuna de Lobos, Capítulo 8 Wed. 10/30/19: Never Say Never--OR--Ámbar Returns

It is evening and Leonora is visited by a driver with a car. He gives her a card with a message: "I need to see you."  She asks if Alejandro is okay. The driver's only response is that he is there to drive her. He suggests she put something else on because it is cold outside.  She looks at the card and wonders what is going on.

Evidently Alejandro isn't waiting for her yet because he is  clothed and  drunk sitting on the floor of a shower getting soaked.  Catalina  appears, pulls him out and asks him what he is doing.  He admits to being drunk and angry because he feels like he is being suffocated.  Catalina thinks it is all because of Miguel.  Alejandro doesn't agree.  It is all about him and feeling that he is just another piece on her chess board.  She tries to take his wet shirt off which just enrages him more. She cuts that off quickly with a slap across his face telling him to shut up and to get dressed.
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Wednesday, October 30, 2019

Discussion, 10/30/19: Fabrica de Sueños, Televisa's Failure?



The excellent La Usurpadora and the much-anticipated Cuna de Lobos were part of a Televisa initiative to present lavish 25-episode productions of past classics by the network. What mystifies me is the reason behind some of these, as I have seen most of them. The Wikipedia page listed the rest of them in this order:
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El Dragón #22, 10/29/19: More Treachery, More Murder


Hector continues his conversation with Cuña and finds out from him that impunity reigns and justice does not exist. He says, “The real mafiosos are the politicians.”

Chisca comes barging into Miguel’s office and Miriam tries to stop her. But Miguel tells Miriam not to worry and allows her to leave the office. Chisca, however, is throwing a temper tantrum with Miguel about her not being able to get a ride to Cuidad Jimenez via Peligros. He tells her that he knows she is into drugs and she needs rehab. She just gets angrier and tells him she is just as much a boss as he is and that he fancies himself as some sort of Mexican James Bond, with his Geishas and Samurais. She storms out.

Meanwhile, in Cuidad Jimenez, Hector goes to see his politician friend. He tells his friend he knows that Epigmenio is behind all this bloodshed. Hector wants to verify if Carlos Duarte is behind Epigmenio Moncada, but his politician friend starts getting hot under the collar and tells Hector to put a lid on it because it’s such a great risk to him. He tells Hector, “Mr. Bernal, you are toying with something very dangerous and it will always come out badly. I regret telling you the truth. Now please leave.” He shows Hector the door and opens it for him to leave.

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Cuna de Lobos, Capitulo 7 Martes 10/29/19: Alibis



Alibis are interesting things. Most people invent them when they are unable – or unwilling – to keep a social commitment. Others need them to cover lies. Smart criminals save the best ones for when they kill.– D.D.
Catalina and Diego were going over communication statuses of their suppliers when Francisco entered her office. She closed her computer and asked whether he had heard from Ámbar.
No. I just spoke to Vega; she's still ignoring me. What worries me is I don't know if I have the right to insist she return my call. I don't know.”
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Tuesday, October 29, 2019

El Dragón #21, 10/28/19: Show Me the Money



Miguel had stripped off his shirt and was having some nooky with Jimena in his glass office. Adela watched briefly through a glass door, then walked away.

Dora sat in the house and Peligros came back telling her that the job was done. She was relieved. He missed being on a ranch; the city wasn't really his thing. He said something about how Miguel really didn't need protection but Dora said that even Miguel has weaknesses.
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Monday, October 28, 2019

Cuna de Lobos, Capitulo 6 Lunes 10/28/19: Pictures Tell Many Tales


They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I've worked for magazines and television long enough to know how much power they have. They serve many purposes: They are plans, art, memories, flirtation fodder, evidence, bait, and they can also be deadly weapons. In the digital age they are even more powerful in all these capacities. Use your camera wisely. – D.D.

Catalina took Ámbar's cell phone out of the drawer and looked at the photos. She saw the very photos that had been sent to Carlos the night she murdered him and realized they had come from Ámbar. She flew into a rage and swept everything off her vanity table with a vicious scream.
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Primetime on Univisión (#1): Amor Eterno - Week of Oct. 28, 2019


Greetings, Caraymates!


Welcome to page 1 of Primetime TNs/Series. First and foremost, my apologies for not posting a page on Thursday…there is no excuse other than it just slipped on me…so sorry! AnonFri and Clara are providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 77-79
Only one TN is being covered by this page for now. Although there is really no need to identify it in your comment, you may continue to do so to avoid confusion in the future. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Amor”)

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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#1): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of October 28, 2019

Welcome to Page #1 (Monday edition) of the Telemundo y Más page, issued twice a week: Mondays and Thursdays at 8:00 PM.

Here are the current evening telenovelas (all times are Eastern Daylight Time):

• 9-10PM—El Final del Paraíso
• 10-11PM—El Señor de los Cielos 7
• 10-11PM—El Secreto de Selena (Sundays only)

Everyone is welcome to join in the conversation.  Since discussions of all the Telemundo novelas share the same page, please remember to put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post, so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for.

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Cuna de Lobos Index

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DAYTIME TNs (#1): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Oct. 28, 2019


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·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 37-39
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 11-13 Starring Luscious Lips Dan


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Saturday, October 26, 2019

El Dragón #20, 10/25/19: Provoking Pacheco, Peligros and Pigmenio


Good Friday my fellow Patio Patrons. Another end of week recap of El Dragon leaves up picking up the pieces of the Pachecos as well as Hector’s car. 

Why Tacho called to give Hector warning, I am not sure, as El Pig was told by Duarte to take care of him. I can only guess that the only motive here is to not yet kill off the character. However, the impression this leaves on Hector will either make him much more affable to the friendship he has with Miguel, despite his ties to the dark side, or the opposite, make him hate everything that has to do with it. We will have to wait and see. 

In Ciudad Jimenez there is a meeting between Miguel and Sandro (El Jefe de los Guachos) the other gang in the area. Sandro begins with saying that he heard what happened, and that they cannot permit that kind of activity in their area. Which is when Miguel suggests they come to an agreement to protect the area as well as the transport coming in and out. Sandro asks him what he is asking in return, Miguel tells him to name a price. Sandro tells him no price, but that he wants in on the business, he has heard around that Miguel Garza pays his partners very well and wants a piece of the pie. Miguel agrees, and they have a deal.
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Cuna de Lobos, Capítulo 5 Fri. 10/25/19: Ambar's One Way Ticket--OR--Catalina and the Cost of Leadership

We pick up with Catalina waking up in an empty bed the next morning. She finds Francisco trying to contact Ambar on his phone and suggests he go back home. Evidently Ambar is trying to get his attention since she wants him to feel guilty and is being successful. An irritated Francisco admits that he feels guilty and is worried Ambar might talk to his nephews. Even more he wonders how Catalina can be so cut and dried about it  all.

As they leave Catalina's house, Alejandro wants to take Leonor to his jewelry  business to show her around and return the ring.  She wants to go to the Rodolfo Lazar lecture. He is a famous photographer and she wanted to meet him but now all of the tickets are sold out. Alejandro thinks that his mother with her influence could get her a meeting with Lazar. As they are talking,  José Carlos comes out agitated looking for the car keys. Alejandro tells him they are where they always are: in the car and tells him he cannot drive in the state he is in. José Carlos gets in anyway. Leonor jumps in the passenger seat and  tells him he does not have the right to put the lives of others at risk and that only he is the one who is responsible for the situation he is in and how to fix it. That gives José Carlos something to think about.
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Friday, October 25, 2019

El Dragón #19, 10/24/19: In Which The Payback's Not Worth The Playback & Hec Needs a New Car


Miguel looks up from the video screen.  "--Where is Ricardo (Sr. Finances)?"  They ordered me to kill him, he tells Mig and Peligros.  Guajolote is the traitorous dog of a messenger who Peligros wants to kill.  "--It was me or him."  (Hmm.  Now that's something Miguel can relate to, considering his little chat-spat with Adela earlier.)  "--They killed the men.  I am sorry, Patrón."  "--Do my business partners know?"  Nope.  Ok.  Mig nixes Peligros and pistola since Guajo is the only one who's been inside since the takeover and knows the layout.  Leave him go."  Peligros growls to Guajo that he may have escaped this but he's still going to be bait.  (Viewerville ponders the possibilities.)

Ade wants to help somehow but Mig finally puts his foot down.  Jime wonders what's happened.  After Mig walks away Ade answers her that there's been killing and it isn't about to stop soon.

Mig walks outside on his way to his private plane; they're flying to CD Jimenez.  The vagrant, aka, bum who sits by the building day after day takes mental notes and Guajo must give Mig the details.  He calls Tacho and gives him the news.

Back at the ranch, Old Tati brings Dora a trago of tequila and secretly cuts the ties around her writsts.  Los Pacheco are feasting after the bloodbath they've just finished.  They get the word that Los Garza are on the way.

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Thursday, October 24, 2019

Cuna de Lobos, Capítulo 4 Thurs. 10/24/19

An Anonymous contributor has graciously provided the Thursday recap. Whoever it might be, we thank AnonFri for stepping up. How about a round of virtual applause, and may this contributor not stay Anonymous too long.

Alejandro visits Leonora’s humble home that evening. He informs her he also has his own apartment and that he really doesn’t always live with his family. He’s only there now because of his mother. It seems she asks him how he’s feeling about his father’s death, and he says well.

Gélica is giving Catalina a massage. When she lowers the nightgown strap Catalina pulls the sleeve of her cover back and ends the session.

Leonora tells Alejandro she’s never met anyone who’s been on top of an elephant. He hands her his phone to show proof (was he with Jose Carlos?) She asks about his brother. Did they ever try other forms of therapy for him? Alejandro receives a phone call and Leonora gets someone at the door. Luis shows up with a paper bag. Alejandro asks if everything was resolved regarding his job. He says yes, to thank Catalina for that. Alejandro lets Luis know he mostly helped him because of Leonora.
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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#2): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos, y más: Week of October 21, 2019

TELEMUNDO WEEKEND EDITION (continuación)

Here's Page 2 for the week.  The current evening telenovelas are as follows (all times are Eastern Daylight Time):

9-10PM -   El Final del Paraíso
10-11PM - El Señor de los Cielos
10-11PM - El Secreto de Selena (Sundays only)

Everyone is welcome to join in the conversation.   Since discussions of all the Telemundo novelas share the same page, please remember to put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post, so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for.

By common agreement,this group DOES NOT DISCUSS previews, trailers, or any other plot information not found in a current or past episode of the current production.  Spoilers WILL be removed by the admin.  This includes references to earlier productions of the story, and even the original novel. 
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DAYTIME TNs (#2): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Oct. 21, 2019


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·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 35-36
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 9-10


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El Dragón #18, 10/23/19: Revancha de los Pacheco Or Pacheco Payback


 In the countryside of CD Jimenez at Rancho de los Garza, while Dora and her head CEO/financial advisor are working on the monthly finances or reports for the trucking business, the Pacheco posse surround the place, cut off electricity and Internet for the ranch, and summarily murder all the guerrerros/security teams they come across.  ( Man, these people Dora's got working for her are such losers it's a wonder Damberto managed to survive at the head of the syndicate as long as he did.)

Meanwhile, in CDMX, aka la DF, poor Jorge, the poor little lamb, is lost.  He gets bullied, beaten and rolled by a gang of young thugs.  His broken processor is also stolen.  So, they get away with a phone and a hunk a junk with a few pesos thrown in.

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Cuna de Lobos, Capítulo 3 Wed. 10/23/19: "Monsters" --OR-- "Ay (EYE), There's The Rub"

And we continue with our twisted tale:

At Catalina's house, Gélica notices a spot of blood on Catalina's blouse. Catalina sees her staring at it and tells her that she stained it but doesn't remember how. She adds that Gélica is to throw it away because she will never be able to get the stain out. Gélica looks oddly upset as she leaves the room with the blouse in hand.

Luis is at his place (his home away from where his wife and child live) when he hears on TV that Vasco the forensic pathologist was found dead with a bullet wound to the head at the forensic facility where he worked. Luis springs into action and takes the folder from Vasco from its hiding place. Leonora is knocking at his door.

José Carlos is arrested still in his drugged stupor. The press is there to cover this event marked by alcohol, drugs and violence since he is the son of the famous businessman the late Carlos Larios.
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Wednesday, October 23, 2019

El Dragón #17, 10/22/19: One Benevolent Act; Will there be more Betrayal?


We begin with Miguel and Peligros walking into this bar run by some cartel thugs, where there seems to be forced prostitution going on. Pig and Tacho are watching from the balcony. He is greeted by someone who says, “So you are the famous Japanese person.” They sit down and ask Miguel how it is he does it, laundering the money. They call out the “girls” who obviously look forced and don’t want to be there. The “girls” are ordered to dance and one tells Miguel she is pregnant and to help her get out of there.

Back at the office, Jimena approaches Adela who is pouring herself a cup of coffee. “So how was everything in Miami?” says Jimena. Adela says, “Work was good. But the enjoyment was everything.” They sit down with their coffee and Jimena confesses her doubts to Adela since Adela was not a professional race car driver and only a chauffeur. Adela says the mission was a success, but Jimena says you don’t need a doctorate to use an accelerator. Then Adela opens a packet of sugar and sprinkles into Jimena’s coffee. “What are you doing?” says Jimena. “Just trying to take away some of the bitterness in you.” Says Adela.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019

Cuna de Lobos, Capitulo 2 Martes 10/22/19: Achilles' Heel



Everyone has their weaknesses, no matter who they are. The key to protecting yourself is never to trust anyone to know them. High society – or what passes for it these days – is just as much a minefield as the corporate world or a war one. In our tale no one knew this better than Catalina Creel. Yet eventually someone will know hers. Only her arrogance protects her from knowing this. – D.D.

Catalina returned to her office in the dark, the middle of the night. It was the perfect atmosphere for her to review her thoughts. When one kills for the first time, one is afraid. But when one learns to do it precisely, afterwords one feels nothing.
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El Dragón #16, 10/21/19: Evasions



Miguel and Adele continued to run down the bridge. Howard tried to follow them in his car, calling the police as he did so. Miguel and Adele ducked into a parking facility and took off in a car as soon as the sirens started.

Vlad of Novotech was being threatened with the end of his daughter's life.

Paula told Vlad off in the belief that his product was inferior. She then addressed a crowd and talked about the Grace prototype.

The chase continued. Adele drove past Howard, waving to him rather than flipping him the bird. That got his dander up.
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Monday, October 21, 2019

Cuna de Lobos Lunes 10/21/19 Gran Estreno: Augustus Falls



Romulus and Remus were suckled by the same she-wolf. This was not true of José Carlos and Alejandro Larios and not because they were not twins. While they shared a father they had different mothers. Gloria, the first wife of Carlos, was the mother of José Carlos who accutely felt her loss having been rejected by his stepmother, a one-time Circe named Catalina Creel.
It has been some time since I've brought you tales of those who think themselves gods or at the very least above all rules of society. They see money less as evidence of status than as a means to any end they seek. It is the one commodity that is universally understood as well as desired. – D.D. 

Late one night in Acapulco Carlos Larios struggled in the water as his wife, Catalina, radioed for help. “Help! Help! My husband fell overboard.” She heard him break the surface and struggle to breathe.
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Primetime on Univisión (#1): Amor Eterno - Week of Oct. 21, 2019


Greetings, Caraymates!

Welcome to page 1 of Primetime TNs/Series. AnonFri and Clara are providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 72-76
Only one TN is being covered by this page for now. Although there is really no need to identify it in your comment, you may continue to do so to avoid confusion in the future. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Amor”)

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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#1): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of October 21, 2019

Welcome to Page #1 (Monday edition) of the Telemundo y Más page, issued twice a week: Mondays and Thursdays at 8:00 PM.

Here are the current evening telenovelas (all times are Eastern Daylight Time):

9-10PM — El Final del Paraíso
10-11PM - El Señor de los Cielos 7
10-11PM - El Secreto de Selena (Sundays only)

Everyone is welcome to join in the conversation.  Since discussions of all the Telemundo novelas share the same page, please remember to put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post, so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for.

By common agreement, this group DOES NOT discuss previews, trailers, or any other plot information not found in a current or past episode of the current production. Spoilers WILL be removed by the admin. This includes reference to earlier productions of the story, and even the original novel. Thanks for your cooperation!

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DAYTIME TNs (#1): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Oct. 21, 2019


Good Day, Caraymates!

Welcome to pg. 1 for the week! Join us at our patio; everyone is welcome to provide highlights, summaries, or details of scenes/episodes…we enjoy discussing the different perspectives and thought s. Questions about specific scenes or dialogues are also very welcome; someone is sure to respond and explain to ensure that you can enjoy the TN(s).

·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 32-34
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 6-8

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Sunday, October 20, 2019

La Usurpadora - 1998 and 21 years later!

Hi LU Patio. On the heels of our recently concluded LU remake, I thought I’d do this post talking about the original LU and continue the discussion of some of the topics we touched on here throughout our whirlwind series! 


Fun fact: La Usurpadora that aired in 1998 was one of the first novelas I watched. I lived outside of the United States back then and TNs were a rarity there, so this was one of my favorite ones for a long time. Graciously, my tastes have changed over the last couple of decades. Nonetheless it was such a great trip down the memory lane to remember the original LU over the past month with this great remake. 


So without further ado, let’s take a look! Before we start though: A SPOILER WARNING. If you haven’t seen LU 1998, but are planning to watch it, this post will contain some plot spoilers, so maybe avoid it until you have a chance to catch up with the original.
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Saturday, October 19, 2019

El Dragon #15, 10/18/19: The Not So Amazing Race or Tired Tires



We left Chisca on the point of an overdose and Miguel looking at Adela, as if to question her loyalty, after finding the bugged pen at the end of last night's episode.

Today we start with Valentin trying to wake Chisca up. But rather than try to revive her when she is unresponsive, or take any emergency action, he gets dressed and bails! What a coward!! I can think of other more appropriate words, but not sure how G rated this needs to be.  Jorge sees Valentin leave the pool house and finds Chisca unconscious and immediately tries to help. He calls Angel to come for Chisca. I am unsure why he calls Angel first and not just an ambulance.
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La Usurpadora - Capitulo 25 (Finale) - And then everyone lived happily ever after…except for all of those who didn’t.

Well all good things must come to an end, and what end it was – happy, sad, bewildering, at times beanie requiring, but fiery and original, much like the series. So let's get to it one last time. 

Carlos starts out his day fending off the press, as he tries to get into his car. Pascual, who must get triple pay for all these extra shifts he is pulling lately, is right there to tell the press that no questions will be answered and to help Carlos get into the car. Carlos goes to the office and finishes the conversation with Gema, where they plan his resignation announcement. Gema is hurt that she is not the one he is choosing as a life partner, but wishes him well. 

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Friday, October 18, 2019

El Dragón #14, 10/17/19: In The Nick Of Time...Or Not.....


Guajolote is waiting outside the hotel across the street as earlier planned, gun in hand, ready to shoot Date Rape Dude, aka Valentin, pass Go, and collect his 20, 000 pesos.  However, just as he's about to do the deed he gets a look at Chisca looking worriedly in his direction.  She maneuvers herself between Val and Guajo's gun.  Guajo cannot shoot as she pushes Val into the lobby and has him take her to his room.

Somewhere along the line between dinner with his sister and Valentin, Miguel has managed a date with Jimena.  He's giving her a lift home; she explains she's trying to seduce him and lays a sizzling long liplock on him.  He smiles enigmatically and replies she's enticing, but he's not looking for love in his life ever again; they work with each other, and she is engaged to Cesar, right? Yep, but let her be the one to play dangerously.....  She slithers out of the car and into her building.

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Thursday, October 17, 2019

La Usurpadora - Capitulo 24

Recap by Princess Juju  

Here we go patio peeps! Penultimate Episode!!!

Arcadia overhears Piedad telling Carlos that the woman in the house is Paola not Paulina, she runs to tell Paola this and they both bolt out of the house. They leave the car behind and Arcadia complains about Carlos being a terrible President because he never fixed the streets in Mexico. They take a cab to their lair where they find one of Teresa's henchmen, who is there to take Manuel out of the country but he refuses to go without Paola. They offer triple the money to get all three out of Mexico but he refuses, especially because everyone knows who Paola is. In the end no one leaves and Arcadia calls Manuel an idiot for not leaving when he had the chance.

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Primetime on Univisión (#2): Amor Eterno - Week of Oct. 14, 2019


Greetings, Caraymates!

Welcome to page 2 of Primetime TNs/Series. AnonFri and Clara are providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 70-71
Only one TN is being covered by this page for now. Although there is really no need to identify it in your comment, you may continue to do so to avoid confusion in the future. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Amor”)

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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#2): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of October 14, 2019

TELEMUNDO WEEKEND EDITION (continuación)

Here's Page 2 for the week.  The current evening telenovelas are as follows (all times are Eastern Daylight Time):

•   9-10PM—El Final del Paraíso**
• 10-11PM—El Señor de los Cielos 7**
• 10-11PM—El Secreto de Selena (Sundays only)

** El Señor de los Cielos returned this week for its 7th season. If you aren't familiar with this novela, or you'd just like to refresh your memory, you can find a brief synopsis of each of the previous 6 seasons on Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Se%C3%B1or_de_los_Cielos#Synopsis. Telemundo's website offers a trailer of season 7.  Please note that both El Final del Paraíso and El Señor de los Cielos will be pre-empted on Thursday, October 17, by the Latin American Music Awards 2019.
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DAYTIME TNs (#2): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Oct. 14, 2019


Good Day, Caraymates!

Welcome to pg. 2 for the week! Join us at our patio; everyone is welcome to provide highlights, summaries, or details of scenes/episodes…we enjoy discussing the different perspectives and thought s. Questions about specific scenes or dialogues are also very welcome; someone is sure to respond and explain to ensure that you can enjoy the TN(s).

·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 30-31
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 4-5

Any daytime novela can be discussed and everyone is welcome to join in the conversation. Friendly reminder to PLEASE put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Mañana”)
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El Dragón #13, 10/16/19: Plotting, Planning, and Protection Which Oft Times Gang Astray


Parte 1~~  with apologies to Robert Burns.....

At El Rancho, Dora turns the tables in this Mexican standoff as El Arizona doesn't figure the liddle lady 'll know how to shoot ner have the stomach for cold blooded murder.  She sends a pot shot flying over the desk as a warning.  "Oh no?? Next time I won't miss."  Her two goons run in with their guns pointed at their so called guest's back.  "And, you were saying you're going to pay what you owe me, right?"

Outside Miguel's city digs, Date Rape Dude and Chisca are taking a walk in the moonlight.  "--This --I--must be a bit boring for you here."  She kisses him and he responds in kind. "--So, did you come for me or for what I took from you?"  "--I came for business--with my BFF Miguel.  Where is he?"  "--He keeps his own schedule.  Anyway, you don't want him knowing I and you--er, you and I are a thing...er have had a fling...er...."  DRD, aka Valentin, questions Chisca.  "--Oh, are we an item or what?  Naw, I wouldn't dare to let him know till I have his permission."  He kisses her again, with only the inevitable Mexican moon to witness.  They hear the car pull up.

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La Usurpadora - Capitulo 23 - Alas, in this town murder is a form of entertainment...

Oh so much has happened today and sadly we will all be sad by the end of this recap. 


So Montse, having blown Paola’s cover, runs out and tries to call Nava, who doesn’t pick up. She leaves him a message, asking to call her back and is very distressed. 

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Wednesday, October 16, 2019

Bienvenidos, amigos, a la Cuna de Lobos, a tale of the rich and shameless.

This is the long-awaited retelling of the 1986 classic. The players:


Paz Vega as Catalina Creel: The second wife of Carlos Larios and the mother of his younger son. Ambitious and Machievellian, she will do anything to maintain control over the family business, assets, and the family itself.  They say a snake bit her once... and died.
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La Usurpadora - Capitulo 22 - The land that laws of physics have abandoned

It’s four episodes from the end and we can tell by the supersonic speed we are moving at! So the writers tried to do something clever today and keep us guessing through the whole episode, but since we are smarter than that and saw right through the trick, we’ll just work their mystery reveals in a bit earlier. 

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El Dragón #12, 10/15/19: Bait and Switch



Miguel escaped the shootout by channeling his inner Bruce Lee.

Meanwhile, in Spain, Chisca sent her topless photo to Valentin to lure him into recovering the stolen necklace. He called just as she was bragging to her friend; he agreed to meet her.
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Tuesday, October 15, 2019

El Dragón #11, 10/14/19: Lies, Trickery, Theft, and Murder


We open with Miguel getting shot by a dart and falling to the ground in Columbia. Three masked men pick up and carry him off.

Hector and Claudia go through the contents of Natalia’s locker. They find variouss things, a USB flash drive and a passport with her picture and another name. They wonder what someone who was a secretary was doing with a false passport. They decide that there is only run reason, she had the false identity so she could run away. As they leave, Hector says to Claudia, “Let’s go my love.”

In Madrid, Chisca and Valentín are drinking in a bar. Chisca says, “Well it’s too bad that you are separated from your wife.” But Valentín says, “I don’t think so. It’s something to celebrate and toast to.” They talk some more and Chisca says she is not the little girl he once knew. He agrees that it’s been many years. She tells him that it was him that opened her eyes to the world. She mentions how glad she is that he was her first, but then is recalling how he raped her. He says that time was one of the best experiences of his life. [What a sicko.] They order more thinks and toast to the past and the present.

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La Usurpadora - Capitulo 21 - What you won't do for love...or revenge.

Paulina and Carlos continue their conversation. He wants her to know that what he feels is real, but Paulina is very confused. She admits that she can’t say that she has no feelings for him, but also doesn’t know if she has feelings for Facundo. What she does know is that her mom asked her to forgive Paola, and she can’t let Facundo put her in jail. There must be other ways to help Paola, says Paulina. (Not sure help is where they are going with the incarceration, dear…) Carlos seems on board with the plan of leniency, if possible. 

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Monday, October 14, 2019

Primetime on Univisión (#1): Amor Eterno - Week of Oct. 14, 2019


Greetings, Caraymates!

Welcome to page 1 of Primetime TNs/Series. AnonFri and Clara are providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 67-69
Only one TN is being covered by this page for now. Although there is really no need to identify it in your comment, you may continue to do so to avoid confusion in the future. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Amor”)

Discussion pages will be posted on Mondays and Thursdays at 9PM.
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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#1): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of October 14, 2019

Welcome to Page #1 (Monday edition) of the Telemundo y Más page, issued twice a week: Mondays and Thursdays at 8:00 PM.

Here are the current evening telenovelas (all times are Eastern Daylight Time):

• 9-10PM—El Final del Paraíso**
• 10-11PM—El Señor de los Cielos 7**
• 10-11PM—El Secreto de Selena (Sundays only)

**Starting this Monday, October 14, El Señor de los Cielos returns for its 7th season. If you aren't familiar with this novela, or you'd just like to refresh your memory, you can find a brief synopsis of each of the previous 6 seasons on Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Se%C3%B1or_de_los_Cielos#Synopsis. Telemundo's website offers a trailer of season 7.  Please note that both El Final del Paraíso and El Señor de los Cielos will be pre-empted on Thursday, October 17, by the Latin American Music Awards 2019.
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DAYTIME TNs (#1): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Oct. 14, 2019

Good Day, Caraymates!


Welcome to pg. 1 for the week! A new TN starts today, “Hijas de la Luna… Y La Familia Cambio,” at 3PM (E). Please note that “Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor” has been bumped up to 2PM (E) Join us at our patio; everyone is welcome to provide highlights, summaries, or details of scenes/episodes…we enjoy discussing the different perspectives and thought s. Questions about specific scenes or dialogues are also very welcome; someone is sure to respond and explain to ensure that you can enjoy the TN(s).

·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 27-29
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 1-3

Any daytime novela can be discussed and everyone is welcome to join in the conversation. Friendly reminder to PLEASE put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Mañana”)

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Saturday, October 12, 2019

El Dragon #10, 10/11/19: An Auction, A Hospital and Madrid…Oh My!



It’s Friday night ladies and gentlemen and we left Peligros last night in peligro. Epig, had managed to figure out enough about what Miguel was doing to steal his money. He may not be the dumbest thug around, but his impatience and impulsiveness make it seem otherwise. He is so sure that Miguel is going to fail and at the same time won’t stop attempting against his life or his plans. Doesn’t sound like the actions of a sure man to me. So what is Miguel to do? Jimena is bidding at the auction and as of this moment, the money to bid with is gone.

Tonight’s episode picks up right where we left off with Miguel trying to call out to Peligros in the middle of the auction, and keep his cover at the same time.  On a side note, for someone trying to pull his family into the legal side of the business, he seems to have an extremely good understanding of how to operate on the dirty side. Shell companies, money laundering, hacking, blackmail…and Miguel is supposed to be the good guy? Just saying…

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