Sunday, December 30, 2007
Pasion Friday Dec 28 - Camila has a steady stream of visitors
I’m not sure what the deal is, since captions are working fine on regular TV, including Univision, but the captions aren’t working on my recording of this week’s show. I guess after a year of cheating I have to put up or shut up and see how my Spanish comprehension has improved. Please add any corrections/additions that I may have missed in the comments. Here we go –
Sofia and Fortunata walk and talk, Sofia gripes more about Ursula wanting to marry Ric.
Camila tells
Sofia interrupts Jorge listening to a violinist. He asks if she has to deprive him of all pleasure, she says she doesn’t see any of his dumb friends or his whores here. Ha ha burn! Jorge says he likes nicer things too. Sofia says whatever. She says she just figured out that Camila is the widow that Ric is here for. Jorge dryly answers “oh really.” He wants to tell her she’s slow but resists. Sofia goes on to say that she imagines that Lis and Fran are staying at the palace so that Jorge can stay on top of the progress of everything and somehow will use it all to get Camila back into bed. Jorge says good idea, he’s going to do that. Sofia says he isn’t going to do it, she won’t allow it. He says he is the boss, so he can do what he wants, and what can she do? She says she could poison him or kill him in bed. He says fine, I could do the same. She says no you can’t, because you are a coward! Wow she better hope she’s right after insulting him like that. Jorge does a ‘whatever’ shrug and calls the violinist back in.
Jimena and Camila go for a walk, Jimena goes on and on about that she should get
Ric tells Mario that Jorge es un infeliz because he takes women by force. Mario says we aren’t much better, but Ric says sure but they are pirates and Jorge is a “Senor.”
Justo visits Camila to discuss everything. She says she isn’t pregnant, Jimena just said so. Camila tells him that she can’t just give up the money or she loses her freedom.
Ric and Mario chat some more on the way to the bar, I’m not sure of the details. Mario says something to Ric about having to pay a price for being guapo, maybe referring to Ursula throwing herself at him.
Vasco is still getting drunk about Ursula dumping him,
Ascanio and Claudio are back in Claudio’s town. They argue about Ascanio going ahead, Claudio finally agrees, after once again insisting that he needs to see his mother. Are you getting echoes of Camila missing
Jimena tries to convince Camila to just let
Ric has his brunch date with Ursula, the other girl is there too. Is she her cousin? I don’t remember her name or anything. Ric is telling stories of being out at sea, Ursula is eating it up. He is telling them as if he were just a business man of course, not a pirate. He confesses to being in love with the sea. Ursula wants to see the sea like he does. Ursula hints strongly that Ric should take her sailing somewhere. Ric excuses himself to go to a meeting, Ursula wants to know who but Ric won’t tell. She asks him then about his family, if he has one, is he married? Engaged? Ric doesn’t answer.
Fran and Lis discuss how to keep Ric away from Camila, or something. Lis apparently says something dumb because Fran rolls her eyes. I’m sure it was something about Ric being with another woman. Finally Fran says that Ursula can help them. Lis again protests because she wants Ric for herself. Fran tells her to drop it already. Jorge and LaFont arrive, Jorge introduces him to the women. He stares long and hard at Lis, who drops her cane. Alberto gives it back to her, using it as an excuse to get a closer look. The ladies excuse themselves, Alberto doesn’t stop staring. Jorge says the blind one is pretty, no? He says he hopes Alberto isn’t thinking dirty thoughts. Alberto laughs, letting us know that he certainly was.
The servant from Camila’s house finds Mario and gives him the card to give to Ric. He also sees Jimena walking by and takes time to check her out, stroking his beard. He meets up with Ric and says that he has found a house that would be good for them, then gives him the card. Ric seems a little excited about the fact that Camila wants to see him, Mario teases him about it.
At Palacio Salvatierra, where Claudio is from, Ascanio pumps the guards and servants for information. He doesn’t look too excited about what he found out, he leaves to go back and meet up with Claudio. Claudio is desperate for news of his mother, Ascanio says he didn’t talk to her, Claudio won’t shut up. Ascanio says first he needs to know if there is anyone they can trust. Claudio says yes, a woman that was his mother’s nanny and then his. Does she live in the palace? No. Can you find her? Yes. Ascanio starts to walk, Claudio screams at him, “What happened?” Ascanio tells him that his mother died soon after he was kidnapped. Claudio slumps down and has a good cry.
Mario fills Ric in on more of Camila’s story, such as the part where she had to wait 4 years for
Sofia prohibits Ursula from having a party while there are still people without a place to live or anything to eat after the earthquake. They argue for a while. Finally Ursula asks if she can just have an intimate dinner, Sofia asks, how intimate? She doesn’t look happy about this either.
Ascanio and Claudio find “Nana” out in a field. They have a happy reunion. Claudio has to tell her that Angel died, they cry about that for a while.
Fortunata shuffles over to Camila’s house. The gossipy servant is beside herself, surely thinking of all the good eavesdropping she is about to do. The ladies manage to gossip a bit before Camila comes out to retrieve Fortunata. Fortunata says Ofelia misses Camila, they arrange for Camila to visit her. Fortunata wants to gossip about Saintly and Rita, but Camila doesn’t want to. Fortunata has weddings on the brain, remember how she giggled around with the idea of Ursula getting married? She says surely Camila will get married soon, being so pretty and rich.
Outside the house, Jimena chastises gossipy servant for leaving Ric waiting outside the gate like some nobody. Gossipy servant says Camila already had a visitor. Jimena sure didn’t waste any time putting on airs, huh? She was a slave not too long ago, now she is already bossing around others and being mean to them. How quickly we forget. She lets Ric in, insulting the gossipy servant again in the process. Jimena goes in and meets Fortunata, then tells Camila that Ric is here for their meeting. They all walk outside to meet Ric. Fortunata finally leaves, after telling Ric that Lis is so nice. Camila wants to know how Fortunata knows Lis, Ric explains that the ladies are staying at the palace. Camila and Ric go inside. They remain across the room from each other, Camila looks very uncomfortable. Ric asks if they can use their first names with each other. She says fine. Ric says that he doesn’t want to make trouble for her, the ladies don’t even need the money. They surely can work something out. He says Camila can give the money back to Lis, then Ric will give her the same amount to make her even. She asks why he would do that, he said he heard her whole story and thinks she deserves to be happy now. She says that sounds great, but she can’t accept that from a stranger. Ric says who’s gonna know, she doesn’t tell anyone and he won’t tell anyone. She calls him Don Ricardo, he corrects her to say “Ricardo.” She says fine, but here’s the deal – the will won’t allow her to simply return the money. Ric is impactado. I don’t know why, didn’t they all know about that part? Wouldn’t Lis readily agree to just set Camila free in exchange for the inheritance? This is all way more complicated than it needs to be.
Wednesday – Rita tries to make trouble by telling
Special note to Jardinera and Beckie – since for the second week in a row next week there won’t be any episode on your days, do either of you want to take my Friday spot for one week only? You can e-mail me or simply respond in the comments.
Labels: Pasion
This was a good episode where we finally see a bit of tension among the galanes who all want to be with Camila. All the gnarly villains want her too as well as the other lovely women. But, you are so right, no one in their right mind wants Rita. She should observe and learn from this that whining and making ugly faces isn't going to get her many dates, even with Santi.
Tim was pretty adamant that his own daughter would not get any of the money.
If it came down to just Camila's word that her marriage was consumated against a doctor's report that Tio Tim couldn't do the deed, would Cami absolutely lose? I mean even today I'm not sure a doctor can swear it's absolutely impossible, unless there is some kind of damage, not just bad health. I guess it's a chance she'd rather not take, either way. I find it amusing that Santi seemed to be letting her know he would help with the pregnancy solution.
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I believe screwed up lines of communication may have already begun. Someone can clear this up if I'm wrong, but was Vasco accusing Ric about Ursula, and then Ric and Mario misunderstood Vasco and Santiago? Did they think V was complaining about Ric trying to pursue/marry Camila? I don't trust my level of comprehension. I don't think Ric realizes yet that Ursula has told folks about her designs on him, he just figures she's put out her red light for him, right?
I am still w a i t i n g to see Ric shirtless!!! What's the holdup???:)
Not that this idiotic novela should make any sense but isn't Mexico supposed to be under a different colonial power than the island of La Mariana where Tim lived? French versus Spanish? They kept referring to Cami being from Mexico, which would seem to indicate it was under a different colonial government. If that's the case, the conditions of Tim's will could not be enforced on Cami. Once she got out of La Mariana with the loot, I think she's free to do whatever she want.
SusanLynn: The supposed time period of this novela, which I understand to be 1700, would be before Alborada (early 1800's) and Amor Real (1850's). The men's costumes with the long, full skirted coats and waistcoats are pretty close to accurate. The women's costumes, hair and manners are not even close. Except when attending an event like a ball, women wore their hair up and covered with a cap all the time. The little lace scarfs that Rita & Santi's mother wear are not accurate. Hoop skirts were worn in the early 1700's but they were more bell shaped and the bodice of the gown was heavily boned and fastened in the front. You can see the zippers on the dresses the ladies on Pasion wear! Further, the fashionable shape did not shows the individual breasts, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Manteau.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coello_1690.jpg
The women's costumes in Pasion are nothing like these and the whole thing is pure fantasy.
6=/: > )) See link below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1700-1750_in_fashion
my guess is that lisabeta and tia fran knew that cami cannot give her money back for reasons previously mentioned, but they didn't let ricky know about those reasons, because either a) they don't care if she loses her freedom b) they don't consider it important or c) they don't want ricky to retract his help if they tell him the truth.
my imporession sofar is that lisabeta appears to be a goodie but deep down inside she's an evil witch. notice that lisabeta's doll is a mini-version of herself. in that case, shoudn't she be holding a snake instead of a doll? ;)
What is it with Sebastian Rulli? In Contra Viento Y Marea he didn't seem to cry that much. He cried more in Mundo de Fierras and now in Pasion, he seems to whine as much as Rita. He's muy guapo but after awhile I want to shake his character and tell him to get a grip.
La Paloma
Oh, that evil Rita is tangled in her own web, pushing Santi farther away. You said it--her evil plan to steal her sister's fiance and let her die as a slave wasn't too sisterly. So, in my book, she doesn't deserve any sympathy for Santi's 'willingness' to be with Cami...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
I like the interaction between Ric and Cami though it has been limited thus far. I look forward to things heating up but not the ridiculous misunderstandings that seem to be on the horizon.
If Cami fails to disprove that letter Timmy's doctor wrote, then her part of the will is invalidated, and it's as if they were never married in the first place. Cami's freedom is revoked, and all of Timmy's possessions (including Cami and Ascanio) go to his next of kin, i.e. Lis.
I don't know if Lis would also be petty enough to demand that Cami pay back all the money she's spent buying Claudio out of slavery, rebuilding the mill, buying the house, etc.
Just think of the all pretty dresses Lis will be able to buy for her doll.
I shouldn't make fun. I'm not crazy about Lis, but I don't think she's half as mean as Rita would be, in the same situation.
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I didn't have captions on Friday either, and have been battling the flu. So I didn't get as much out of that episode as I would have liked (but I got more out of it than I expected). But I sure noticed Lafont checking Lis out. Eeeeew.
I'm definitely in favor of those two getting together.
Just so you know, gossip maid at Cami's place is named Cleotilde (I'm calling her Cleo). The assistant maid that delivered the letter to Ric is named Cantidad.
Also, I've become so accustomed to watching FC's novelas without subtitles that I actually prefer not to use them at all.
J.R. :)
As for those dollies of hers, it is just a thought, but anyone care for a little Voodoo twist while we're dealing with Caribbean islands and the slave trade in this telenovela?
They definintely didn’t flip the caption broadcast switch nationwide for this broadcast. When captions were new, this happened often (1980). We’d call the local station and bellyache. It’s pretty rare now. OTOH, this episode might not have gotten proper captioning and/or it might not have been laid down properly in the master track. Stuff happens. But since this has been out in Mexico a long while, I can’t understand why they would have one episode not captioned. I find it easier to follow when I have both—but I always watch TV with captions, in English or in Spanish. I am hopeful this isn’t going to be the way the rest of the novela plays.
“antiago heads straight over to Camila’s house where they start making out. Way to prove that you are a stand up guy there Saintly.” ROTFL!! I thought it was tacky and tasteless of him, Ferro.
It’s fun to watch Sofia taunt Jorge. He deserves it and she does it soooo well. Of course, she’s had decades of practice.
“Ric puts him down on the table in one swift move. I would say that this shows what a badass Ric is, but Vasco could barely stand up. He would have put himself on the table if Ric hadn’t done it.” ROTFLLL!!! Great point. Vasco is his own worst enemy. At least he could tuck that hair in, maybe Ursula would look more kindly on him if he took better care of himself.
“Reminds me of going to bed after a nasty argument with the wife.” What, you watch all the garbage on all these novelas and you still fight?
“the other girl is there too. Is she her cousin? I don’t remember her name or anything.” She’s LaFont’s daughter who is sworn to tell LaFont all about Ursula or get smacked.
“Ascanio tells him that his mother died soon after he was kidnapped. Claudio slumps down and has a good cry.” I figured the Duchess had been knocked off when the new Duke had made sure the boys were out of sight, too. It’s going to be difficult for Claudio to prove he is really supposed to be the Duke, but it seems to me he should be the heir after his Dad was killed (which we heard early in the story).
Lis and Tia Fran knew about the stipulation about the money, because they were sitting there hearing the will read. But they think they’ve got an angle since there was no consummation. I think they’re wrong, but they are convinced they can get the money.
Who knows? Maybe LaFont would actually take care of Lis. It could happen…..maybe she could reform him. Nah, probably not.
Jardinera/dread lucy cash - re: voodoo dollies--ROTFL!
Jeanne
As for the timeframe: Some time ago in the comments, there were 2 suggestions for what the conflict between the Spanish and the English in the Caribbean might be, namely the Anglo-Spanish war of the mid-1600s, or the War of Spanish Succession in 1701-1714. Seems like we never settled on one or the other. Any ideas?
Santiago really got on my last little raggedy nerve when he whined that he is supposed to understand half the world, but nobody tries to understand him. Bulging pecs or no, he needs a testosterone patch.
Anyway, these are merely reminders the writers give us of her blindness. They are using some of the worst stereotypes that sighted people hold to emphasize it.
I told Cheryl last week that Willa or Tonki from Duelo should be Lis's dog guide. I haven't ever seen a poodle as a dog guide, but Willa's a big one and who knows??? Tonki is is shepherd so he'd do. Then she could give up that funky cane.
BTW, few blind folks use canes inside familiar rooms and their homes. I always chuckle when I see Lis tapping furniture with it.
Jeanne
Sometimes I see the actress focusing on an object, and I wonder if there weren't any blind people she could have met with, or maybe someone who coaches actors about blindness, or something.
Current Orientation & Mobility instruction (aka O&M in the field) and instruction for students with Visual Impairments addresses room orientation as one of the first things a blind individual does when coming to a new building. (Of course, there's how to enter the building, and get to where you want to go). When I have a blind individual with me, I usually give a quick rundown of what is where and do a systematic room orientation if the individual will be coming to the building and the room often. I convey all the visual information, which is what Fran does and Ric, too, sometimes, when they walk in a new situation with Lis. Even with a deafblind person I will be describing both visual information and auditory information, which can take some time in a complex situation with lots going on around us. It depends on how much of the info is relevant or would be of interest to the individual. Some of my friends and acquaintances like to know EVERYthing, and others want a recap, so to speak. It requires that the sighted guide (with deafblind individuals, a Support Service Provider/SSP or Intervenor, who interprets, guides and conveys visual/auditory information--whole articles and book chapters have been written on the subjects) concentrates fully if the individual wants most of the information. With friends or in informal situations less is given. The writers of Pasion apparently are having Fran do what comes naturally, to tell about the environment, or they have had a little--I repeat LITTLE--consultation.
If they need me, I'm here....especially if I could demonstrate to Ric how to properly guide her or something. ;-)
Jeanne
And a belated Feliz Año Nuevo to all.
All the women chasing Ric, except the one he wants. I hope Ric and Cami start heating up soon!
OT - I watched the 5 hr. dvd of "Amor Real" yesterday - first time I'd seen the show. Wow! I "get" why so many of you love Colunga. Wish I'd seen the show in full, although I'm not sorry to have missed the long version of all the plot turns that kept the two apart. When M. joined the rebels, I groaned....will they ever be together? Would have liked more scenes showing the development of the love between M & M.
Next for me, is "El Manantial" - know nothing about it, but it's at the library.
As for Pasión, Ric's character confuses me - he seems like a good guy, but then, he is a pirate, and has killed people (I assume). At least he hasn't been to the brothel, like his sidekick. :)
Jeanne
Thinking back on it, I'm not sure she ever used a cane. I think she always had someone guiding her when she was outside the home. I had the impression that the actress who played the head of the
foundation actually is blind. I'd like to know if that is true. If not, she certainly convinced me.
Here in the US, the head of the American Foundation for the Blind is a blind gentleman, and the National Federation of the Blind's head is, also. It is customary here, while not so much in other countries, that the head of the organizations are blind individuals. It wouldn't surprise me if Mexico had a foundation with a head who is blind, though.
Jeanne
Jeanne
I don't know if the foundation in this telenovela is a real foundation in Mexico City or one created for the story. I was hoping you had seen it. You could have told, I'm sure, whether that actress is blind just by her actions.
I probably could tell if a character was actually blind or has low vision (term for someone with partial usable vision; some of these folks actually read print with modifications but may not drive or thread needles by sight, etc., for example). But, I cannot always tell. I'm probably right about 90% of the time--not a bad average. It's not as easy to tell with an individual who has low vision and terrific skills.
Jeanne
La Paloma
Maria Fernanda didn't walk around with a doll, but she did have some stuffed animals she slept with. Somehow I didn't really connect this with her blindness so much as her insecurity. All three were traumatized in different ways by the accident. The lost one had amnesia. Every once in awhile she would have a strange nightmare, but she didn't really remember anything before the accident. Maria Paula, who lived with Maria Fernanda and her grandmother, knew that she was guilty of causing the accident, had horrible nightmares at times, was terribly narcisistic and was the villain of the piece. So the fact that Maria Fernanda cuddled with a few teddy bears didn't seem very significant.
Buy the way, Monica Miguel (director of Pasion) was also in this telenovela, as was the actor who plays the blond pirate. And Fran in Pasion (mother of Carla Estrada) plays the woman who found the lost girl and raised her.
jb--Iron Jack Cash
La Paloma, now that you mention it, I think you are right. I remember thinking if she lost her sight at ten it might be Staargardt's syndrome, which could leave her some very low peripheral vision but no central vision (nothing for reading fine print or seeing fine details at all). However, who knows what all it could be in that era. Your observation about getting stuck on the dolls at that age is a good one.
My mother-in-law became deaf at age 4. She mispronounced some words as a preschooler that she continued to mispronounce exactly that way all her life after she lost her hearing abruptly, though she read them correctly. (She said "prettyful," instead of "beautiful," for example). It was precious. She was a very intelligent woman and very well-read, but this one thing was a hold-over from that earlier time.
madd mary, thanks for the info on Lazos de Amor. I may try to pick it up one of these days. In my spare time. :-)
Jeanne
It's a small field numbers-wise, but has lots of complexities.
Jeanne
Jeanne
Yep, I like hearing what the others say from different professions and experiences. This blog is great for all that.
Jeanne
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