Sunday, December 30, 2007

Pasion Friday Dec 28 - Camila has a steady stream of visitors

I’m not sure what the deal is, since captions are working fine on regular TV, including Univision, but the captions aren’t working on my recording of this week’s show. I guess after a year of cheating I have to put up or shut up and see how my Spanish comprehension has improved. Please add any corrections/additions that I may have missed in the comments. Here we go –

Santiago and his wife Rita have yet another argument about him spending so much time around Camila, so predictably Santiago heads straight over to Camila’s house where they start making out. Way to prove that you are a stand up guy there Saintly. At this point I think he SHOULD go have an affair with Camila, Rita offers nothing. Camila is way hotter, she’s rich, she is the one he really loves anyway, even the parents think “gosh too bad he married Rita.” He could just bail on her, move into Camila’s house, and Rita would be the only one upset about it. And who cares what she thinks anymore anyway, really? I know I don’t. She is a big whiner/crybaby. Jeez I’m sorry you’re horribly evil plan to take away your sister’s fiancé, even when you knew she was alive, didn’t work out. Too bad for you. Anyway, they break the makeout session and confess that their pants are on fire for each other, but oh well nothing to be done. Camila changes the subject and asks for a favor. He of course breathlessly says yes, before hearing what the favor is.

Sofia and Fortunata walk and talk, Sofia gripes more about Ursula wanting to marry Ric.

Camila tells Santiago about her whole story and inheritance, then asks him to consult a lawyer. She says she doesn’t care about the money, though it has helped so many people already. She just doesn’t want to lose her freedom if she gives up the money. Santiago even suggests the “just get pregnant by whoever” plan to prove that the marriage was legit. He agrees to consult a lawyer. Santiago asks what kind of person Ric is, Camila says he’s all right. As she walks him out to the outer door, a servant is cleaning the fountain and is obviously the biggest gossip in the world, she doesn’t try to even hide her eavesdropping.

Sofia interrupts Jorge listening to a violinist. He asks if she has to deprive him of all pleasure, she says she doesn’t see any of his dumb friends or his whores here. Ha ha burn! Jorge says he likes nicer things too. Sofia says whatever. She says she just figured out that Camila is the widow that Ric is here for. Jorge dryly answers “oh really.” He wants to tell her she’s slow but resists. Sofia goes on to say that she imagines that Lis and Fran are staying at the palace so that Jorge can stay on top of the progress of everything and somehow will use it all to get Camila back into bed. Jorge says good idea, he’s going to do that. Sofia says he isn’t going to do it, she won’t allow it. He says he is the boss, so he can do what he wants, and what can she do? She says she could poison him or kill him in bed. He says fine, I could do the same. She says no you can’t, because you are a coward! Wow she better hope she’s right after insulting him like that. Jorge does a ‘whatever’ shrug and calls the violinist back in.

Jimena and Camila go for a walk, Jimena goes on and on about that she should get Santiago to knock her up (I think). They see some kids dancing and laugh at how cute they are. Camila says she wanted to have Santiago’s baby, but not like this. Yawn. Yes we get it he was the love of your life. Point taken.

Ric tells Mario that Jorge es un infeliz because he takes women by force. Mario says we aren’t much better, but Ric says sure but they are pirates and Jorge is a “Senor.”

Justo visits Camila to discuss everything. She says she isn’t pregnant, Jimena just said so. Camila tells him that she can’t just give up the money or she loses her freedom.

Ric and Mario chat some more on the way to the bar, I’m not sure of the details. Mario says something to Ric about having to pay a price for being guapo, maybe referring to Ursula throwing herself at him.

Vasco is still getting drunk about Ursula dumping him, Santiago is trying to reason with him about accepting facts. He is the last one who should be talking about that. Vasco reminds him of that. Santiago grabs him by the collar before they both cool off and apologize. Mario and Ric are at the bar, Mario calls Santiago over to meet Ric. Vasco butts in and yells at Ric for being the one who took Ursula away. Ric tries to remain cool, but Vasco attacks him and Ric puts him down on the table in one swift move. I would say that this shows what a badass Ric is, but Vasco could barely stand up. He would have put himself on the table if Ric hadn’t done it. Again, cooler heads prevail and Santiago takes Vasco home. Ric finds out who Vasco is (Camila’s brother) from the waiter.

Santiago stumbles home. I notice that half of the house is outdoors and unprotected. Nobody steals anything around here? There is furniture, food, all sorts of things just out on the street. Santiago tells his mom about Vasco being drunk. She also reproaches him for using any pretext to go visit Camila. It’s true, as much as they both insist it isn’t. They keep looking for each other for whatever reason. Santiago admits thinking about her but says it doesn’t mean anything (what?). He goes to his room, Rita is lying awake but facing away. He lays down facing away from her, not saying anything. Reminds me of going to bed after a nasty argument with the wife. I guess basically that’s what it is, huh?

Santiago, the next day, finds his lawyer friend Castulo to ask about Camila’s problem. Later he tells Camila that it would be difficult to prove whether Camila consummated her marriage with Tim, what with everyone knowing about the thing with Don Jorge. He said basically she needs a lawyer to go fight with Lis’s lawyer. Santiago says maybe she can offer Lis money to remain free. Jimena says she should just get pregnant and be done with it.

Ascanio and Claudio are back in Claudio’s town. They argue about Ascanio going ahead, Claudio finally agrees, after once again insisting that he needs to see his mother. Are you getting echoes of Camila missing Santiago here? Claudio has mentioned his mother so much I have a bad feeling about this.

Jimena tries to convince Camila to just let Santiago impregnate her. Camila is writing a card and tries to ignore Jimena. She asks the servant to deliver the card to Ric. The gossipy servant is sticking her head from behind a pillar to check it all out. Camila wants no more baby talk, Jimena won’t stop.

Ric has his brunch date with Ursula, the other girl is there too. Is she her cousin? I don’t remember her name or anything. Ric is telling stories of being out at sea, Ursula is eating it up. He is telling them as if he were just a business man of course, not a pirate. He confesses to being in love with the sea. Ursula wants to see the sea like he does. Ursula hints strongly that Ric should take her sailing somewhere. Ric excuses himself to go to a meeting, Ursula wants to know who but Ric won’t tell. She asks him then about his family, if he has one, is he married? Engaged? Ric doesn’t answer.

Fran and Lis discuss how to keep Ric away from Camila, or something. Lis apparently says something dumb because Fran rolls her eyes. I’m sure it was something about Ric being with another woman. Finally Fran says that Ursula can help them. Lis again protests because she wants Ric for herself. Fran tells her to drop it already. Jorge and LaFont arrive, Jorge introduces him to the women. He stares long and hard at Lis, who drops her cane. Alberto gives it back to her, using it as an excuse to get a closer look. The ladies excuse themselves, Alberto doesn’t stop staring. Jorge says the blind one is pretty, no? He says he hopes Alberto isn’t thinking dirty thoughts. Alberto laughs, letting us know that he certainly was.

The servant from Camila’s house finds Mario and gives him the card to give to Ric. He also sees Jimena walking by and takes time to check her out, stroking his beard. He meets up with Ric and says that he has found a house that would be good for them, then gives him the card. Ric seems a little excited about the fact that Camila wants to see him, Mario teases him about it.

At Palacio Salvatierra, where Claudio is from, Ascanio pumps the guards and servants for information. He doesn’t look too excited about what he found out, he leaves to go back and meet up with Claudio. Claudio is desperate for news of his mother, Ascanio says he didn’t talk to her, Claudio won’t shut up. Ascanio says first he needs to know if there is anyone they can trust. Claudio says yes, a woman that was his mother’s nanny and then his. Does she live in the palace? No. Can you find her? Yes. Ascanio starts to walk, Claudio screams at him, “What happened?” Ascanio tells him that his mother died soon after he was kidnapped. Claudio slumps down and has a good cry.

Mario fills Ric in on more of Camila’s story, such as the part where she had to wait 4 years for Santiago to return when he went missing. They are riding horses out to the mill. Ric says something about the people being normal with normal problems and it being different than the pirate scene.

Sofia prohibits Ursula from having a party while there are still people without a place to live or anything to eat after the earthquake. They argue for a while. Finally Ursula asks if she can just have an intimate dinner, Sofia asks, how intimate? She doesn’t look happy about this either.

Ascanio and Claudio find “Nana” out in a field. They have a happy reunion. Claudio has to tell her that Angel died, they cry about that for a while.

Fortunata shuffles over to Camila’s house. The gossipy servant is beside herself, surely thinking of all the good eavesdropping she is about to do. The ladies manage to gossip a bit before Camila comes out to retrieve Fortunata. Fortunata says Ofelia misses Camila, they arrange for Camila to visit her. Fortunata wants to gossip about Saintly and Rita, but Camila doesn’t want to. Fortunata has weddings on the brain, remember how she giggled around with the idea of Ursula getting married? She says surely Camila will get married soon, being so pretty and rich.

Outside the house, Jimena chastises gossipy servant for leaving Ric waiting outside the gate like some nobody. Gossipy servant says Camila already had a visitor. Jimena sure didn’t waste any time putting on airs, huh? She was a slave not too long ago, now she is already bossing around others and being mean to them. How quickly we forget. She lets Ric in, insulting the gossipy servant again in the process. Jimena goes in and meets Fortunata, then tells Camila that Ric is here for their meeting. They all walk outside to meet Ric. Fortunata finally leaves, after telling Ric that Lis is so nice. Camila wants to know how Fortunata knows Lis, Ric explains that the ladies are staying at the palace. Camila and Ric go inside. They remain across the room from each other, Camila looks very uncomfortable. Ric asks if they can use their first names with each other. She says fine. Ric says that he doesn’t want to make trouble for her, the ladies don’t even need the money. They surely can work something out. He says Camila can give the money back to Lis, then Ric will give her the same amount to make her even. She asks why he would do that, he said he heard her whole story and thinks she deserves to be happy now. She says that sounds great, but she can’t accept that from a stranger. Ric says who’s gonna know, she doesn’t tell anyone and he won’t tell anyone. She calls him Don Ricardo, he corrects her to say “Ricardo.” She says fine, but here’s the deal – the will won’t allow her to simply return the money. Ric is impactado. I don’t know why, didn’t they all know about that part? Wouldn’t Lis readily agree to just set Camila free in exchange for the inheritance? This is all way more complicated than it needs to be.

Wednesday – Rita tries to make trouble by telling Santiago that Ric is interested in Camila. Since Santiago is half an idiot, he runs right to Camila to give her a hard time about it, as if she weren’t free to see whoever she pleases. Camila tries to brush it off, then Santiago asks if she knows that Ric is engaged to Ursula. We are far enough into the show now, apparently, where the web of lies grows thicker and we will see a couple months of people making ill-informed decisions based on that.

Special note to Jardinera and Beckie – since for the second week in a row next week there won’t be any episode on your days, do either of you want to take my Friday spot for one week only? You can e-mail me or simply respond in the comments.

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Ferro, Thanks for the great recap. I noticed too that the Friday episode was recorded without subtitles while I went off to a party. I thought it was just my machine but perhaps the Univision broadcasting was off kilter??
This was a good episode where we finally see a bit of tension among the galanes who all want to be with Camila. All the gnarly villains want her too as well as the other lovely women. But, you are so right, no one in their right mind wants Rita. She should observe and learn from this that whining and making ugly faces isn't going to get her many dates, even with Santi.
 

Thanks so much for your recap -- when I noted, like you, that there were no Spanish subtitles to read, it was made clear to me how much Spanish I still do not understand. Your recap helped me fill in many gaps.
 

Thanks for the recap, especially since I didn't see the episode. I'm confused about one thing though--how can Ofelia prohibits Ursula from doing anything? Did you mean Sofia?
 

Here's why Cami can't just give the money to Lis and then hope that Lis sets her free: not only would Cami lose her freedom, but all the money would be donated to some charity that Tio Tim liked.

Tim was pretty adamant that his own daughter would not get any of the money.
 

Thanks Ferro! I always watch without subtitles because (1) it makes me listen more closely and (2) I don't miss anything visually. I'm encouraged that even those much more advanced than me in comprehension are unsure about getting everything when just relying on listening.

If it came down to just Camila's word that her marriage was consumated against a doctor's report that Tio Tim couldn't do the deed, would Cami absolutely lose? I mean even today I'm not sure a doctor can swear it's absolutely impossible, unless there is some kind of damage, not just bad health. I guess it's a chance she'd rather not take, either way. I find it amusing that Santi seemed to be letting her know he would help with the pregnancy solution.
 

anon 6:19 - yes, I meant Sofia. Huge goof, I got the names mixed up. That's a place where some captions would have helped. I'll go back and fix that. Thanks.
 

Julie - thanks for clearing that up. That helps explain a lot, somewhere I missed that part. Now I know why Camila and Lis didn't just strike a secret deal, which would have solved everything.
 

Thanks, Dread Ferro , for the excellent recap. I think that whenever you typed ''Ofelia'', you really were talking about ''Sofia'' [Mariana Carr..aka Tia Isabel from Alborada]. Ofelia is Saintly's and Ines's mother, and Sofia is Ursula's mother and WhoreHEY's wifey. Isn't it amazing about gossip??? People are saying that Ric is engaged to Ursula even though they just met and he's not interested. Ursula reminds me of a wedding cake with her big wig and hoop skirt. I guess she likes pink because she is such a girly girl. I have a question. Can anyone figure out the time sequence for the 3 shows [AmorReal, Alborada, and Pasion]??? Which is the supposed to be the earliest time period and which is the latest??? The women are wearing hoop skirts like they wore in Amor Real. I thgink the men wore short jackets in Amor Real, not long waistcoats. In Alborada, the dresses were straight and had empire waists but the guys wore long waistcoats [Diego, Antonio] like in Pasion and also shortcoats [Luis, Marcos]. I am confused. As someone mentioned before, Ricardo is wearing a lot of clothing now as a rich dude....likewise as a pirate , he was all covered up [headscarf, longsleeved shirt, trousers, boots]. Maybe Fernandooo had it written into his contract that Sebastian Rulli had to do all the shirtless scenes in addition to most of the crying. Camila, here's my suggestion...marry Ric and let him give his money to Lis. La Font is such a smarmy horn dog. He was really eyeballing Lis. Whenever I see Lis holding one of her dolls, I think of Esperanza in Alborada. I wonder if it was really common for grown women to walk around holding their dolls in those days. Maybe Rita should get herself a dolly because Saintly is fading away from her. Sleeping back to back with space in between is not a good sign. Next, Saintly will be telling old Rita that he ''needs some space.'' I'm just saying....
 

This afternoon, I watched one of the classic pirate movies that started the whole trend and set the style for depiction of pirates...''The Spanish Main'' starring the gorgeous, redhaired Maureen O'Hara in some beautiful, elaborate hoop skirts. p.s. Don't forget that ''Bailando'' is on Univision tonight from 8 to 11 pm Eastern time. I think it's the finals.
 

Thanks Chris! I thought it was just my local station (they've forgotten the subtitles before...) didn't think it was nationwide. I can't recap without subtitles, congrats! Wonder what happened and hope it doesn't happen again.
 

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Excellent recap, ferro, considering no CC. Somebody at Uni Control must've gotten sloppy, flipped the switch off and gone out back for a couple of copas. I always hate when that happens, but I am happy to report that I was able to understand mucho of Fer's mumbling (if only because of a simpler script Friday night --Yay!), whereas back in Amor Real days, when the CC went missing I had to continually ask folks for a translation of some of the more "impassioned" lines. So, the effort was much appreciated!
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I believe screwed up lines of communication may have already begun. Someone can clear this up if I'm wrong, but was Vasco accusing Ric about Ursula, and then Ric and Mario misunderstood Vasco and Santiago? Did they think V was complaining about Ric trying to pursue/marry Camila? I don't trust my level of comprehension. I don't think Ric realizes yet that Ursula has told folks about her designs on him, he just figures she's put out her red light for him, right?
 

Great recap! I didn't notice about the recaps missing because sometimes I actually have time to just sit and watch. I'll check my recording and see if the CC was missing. It DOES help alot, especially if I haven't heard of a word before. (It's a little better now that we don't have to decipher Aaron's mumbling!)

I am still w a i t i n g to see Ric shirtless!!! What's the holdup???:)
 

Duhhhh!!! I meant to say the closed caps, not the recaps!!!Sheesh!
 

So I just finished my recap of Amar Sin Limites which was taped right before Pasion. ASL had the Spanish subtitles as usual but when Pasion started there were none. About 10 minutes into the episode there were a few lines of senseless letters, no words at all and then back to nothing. I was glad to watch Pasion and realize I understand most all of it but I am grateful I didn't have to recap that way. More than a yeoman's effort Ferro, congratulations and thanks again.
 

Great recap, Chris. Not having the titles makes it much harder and makes it take longer too.

Not that this idiotic novela should make any sense but isn't Mexico supposed to be under a different colonial power than the island of La Mariana where Tim lived? French versus Spanish? They kept referring to Cami being from Mexico, which would seem to indicate it was under a different colonial government. If that's the case, the conditions of Tim's will could not be enforced on Cami. Once she got out of La Mariana with the loot, I think she's free to do whatever she want.

SusanLynn: The supposed time period of this novela, which I understand to be 1700, would be before Alborada (early 1800's) and Amor Real (1850's). The men's costumes with the long, full skirted coats and waistcoats are pretty close to accurate. The women's costumes, hair and manners are not even close. Except when attending an event like a ball, women wore their hair up and covered with a cap all the time. The little lace scarfs that Rita & Santi's mother wear are not accurate. Hoop skirts were worn in the early 1700's but they were more bell shaped and the bodice of the gown was heavily boned and fastened in the front. You can see the zippers on the dresses the ladies on Pasion wear! Further, the fashionable shape did not shows the individual breasts, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Manteau.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coello_1690.jpg
The women's costumes in Pasion are nothing like these and the whole thing is pure fantasy.
 

NJmotmot: Thanks for the info, but I suggest for a couple of reasons that the period is ca. 1700-1750 which is where Tali (their resident 18th century lit PhD) posting at Telenovela-World has placed it. Also, I took your link and went to compare it with the link to 1700-1750. Taking a closer look at the 30-40 pictures and paintings in the style galleries, I'd say, with the exception of the headgear and scarves, which costuming may have simplified or adjusted for due to cultural/country adaptive differences and time lags due to great distances between Old and New World back at that time, Univision has gotten it pretty darned accurate for 1700-1750.
6=/: > )) See link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1700-1750_in_fashion
 

njmotmot~~~Thanks for the info. That helps me place this novela in time in reference to my 2 favorite telenovelas. I appreciate your explanation.
 

njmotmot~~~Thanks for the info. That helps me place this novela in time in reference to my 2 favorite telenovelas. I appreciate your explanation.
 

thanks ferro! as always, great & amusing recap.

my guess is that lisabeta and tia fran knew that cami cannot give her money back for reasons previously mentioned, but they didn't let ricky know about those reasons, because either a) they don't care if she loses her freedom b) they don't consider it important or c) they don't want ricky to retract his help if they tell him the truth.

my imporession sofar is that lisabeta appears to be a goodie but deep down inside she's an evil witch. notice that lisabeta's doll is a mini-version of herself. in that case, shoudn't she be holding a snake instead of a doll? ;)
 

"Maybe Fernandooo had it written into his contract that Sebastian Rulli had to do all the shirtless scenes in addition to most of the crying."
What is it with Sebastian Rulli? In Contra Viento Y Marea he didn't seem to cry that much. He cried more in Mundo de Fierras and now in Pasion, he seems to whine as much as Rita. He's muy guapo but after awhile I want to shake his character and tell him to get a grip.
 

Love the recap, thanks. Would someone please interpret a phrase for me? It happened in the scene when Santi and Rita were arguing and he stormed out. Ophelia entered the room and asked Rita what were they fighting about. Rita said "Me lo quiere quitar y el esta mas que dispuesto". By the way Ferro, You sure did a great job without the benefit of subtitles. I taped the episode and last evening when I looked at it there were subtitles. I live on the east coast (Ft Lauderdale), I don't know if that makes a difference. Thanks.
 

Thanks for the recap, Ferro. I was quite frustrated to have no captions. La Font did seem very interested in Lis. Besides thinking she's pretty, he's seeing some advantages to being married to a blind woman--easier to control and she can't see how old he is.
La Paloma
 

Translation....Rita said "she wants to take him from me and he's more than willing" in refering to Camila and Santi.
 

Good job, cuzzin Cash! I didn't have the subtitles either, so I would've missed a few things without your recap.

Oh, that evil Rita is tangled in her own web, pushing Santi farther away. You said it--her evil plan to steal her sister's fiance and let her die as a slave wasn't too sisterly. So, in my book, she doesn't deserve any sympathy for Santi's 'willingness' to be with Cami...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
 

Thanks for the recap Ferro and major kudos for performing without captions. I'm wondering how wretched Rita will be caught -- will someone find the letter, will she slip herself with some info, the possibilities seem interesting.

I like the interaction between Ric and Cami though it has been limited thus far. I look forward to things heating up but not the ridiculous misunderstandings that seem to be on the horizon.
 

Anon 1:25 PM. Thanks so much for the translation. I never would have guessed "He's more than willing". BTW: I think the reason that crying stands out so much in novelas is because they stand there and let the tears run down their cheeks, and they boo hoo outloud. In today's society that's equated more with the way kids cry. And after awhile we tell kids to "knock it off". Most adults sob rather than cry out loud, and they use kleenex to blot their tears. It's OK for men to cry because they have emotions and feelings just like women. But when they cry so freely and so openly and for so long it does seem excessive especially for the type things they cry about. Despite my sermon, Santi can still cry like a baby for me any day of the week for as long as he likes:~)
 

Tash - as I understand it, Lis and Tia are not looking to get Cami to "give" it back. Timmy's lawyer would immediately seize it and give it to the charity. Instead, they are looking to invalidate Cami's part of the will entirely.

If Cami fails to disprove that letter Timmy's doctor wrote, then her part of the will is invalidated, and it's as if they were never married in the first place. Cami's freedom is revoked, and all of Timmy's possessions (including Cami and Ascanio) go to his next of kin, i.e. Lis.

I don't know if Lis would also be petty enough to demand that Cami pay back all the money she's spent buying Claudio out of slavery, rebuilding the mill, buying the house, etc.

Just think of the all pretty dresses Lis will be able to buy for her doll.

I shouldn't make fun. I'm not crazy about Lis, but I don't think she's half as mean as Rita would be, in the same situation.
 

Julie: Since there was no CC and I had an electrical spike of noise interfere during that discussion with Santi, did Cami mention something about either having to go back to the auction block or else to prison, or that it would be like prison? Seems like you caught more of that conversation than I did.
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My comment wasn't based on anything from Friday's episode. That was a conversation they had around the time they bribed Tim's doctor to write that letter - they needed to invalidate the marriage.

I didn't have captions on Friday either, and have been battling the flu. So I didn't get as much out of that episode as I would have liked (but I got more out of it than I expected). But I sure noticed Lafont checking Lis out. Eeeeew.

I'm definitely in favor of those two getting together.
 

yeah, but I betcha Lis would notice that he smells old. Doble eewwww!


V.V.
 

Thank you very much for the entertaining recap, pirate Ferro Cash.

Just so you know, gossip maid at Cami's place is named Cleotilde (I'm calling her Cleo). The assistant maid that delivered the letter to Ric is named Cantidad.

Also, I've become so accustomed to watching FC's novelas without subtitles that I actually prefer not to use them at all.

J.R. :)
 

Ya know, I'm still not convinced Fran and Lis are that evil, enough so to have the novela gods consider Lis and LaFont a match made in Hell. Although, for her jealous ways, she may be destined to be legally chained to him through Hellish bonds of sadistic matrimony before she's finally redeemed.

As for those dollies of hers, it is just a thought, but anyone care for a little Voodoo twist while we're dealing with Caribbean islands and the slave trade in this telenovela?
 

I used to collect dolls as a hobby and still own dozens. Based on my limited research I wouldn't think it unusual for a young lady with a proper upbringing to have a favorite doll. In those days, many boys were photographed holding teddy bears. Kings and Queens had lap dogs. I think it may be the way the novela has her handling it in a strange way that is generating questions about the appropriateness of the doll.
 

Cousin Dread Pirate Cash/Ferro-thanks for the terrific recap!

They definintely didn’t flip the caption broadcast switch nationwide for this broadcast. When captions were new, this happened often (1980). We’d call the local station and bellyache. It’s pretty rare now. OTOH, this episode might not have gotten proper captioning and/or it might not have been laid down properly in the master track. Stuff happens. But since this has been out in Mexico a long while, I can’t understand why they would have one episode not captioned. I find it easier to follow when I have both—but I always watch TV with captions, in English or in Spanish. I am hopeful this isn’t going to be the way the rest of the novela plays.

“antiago heads straight over to Camila’s house where they start making out. Way to prove that you are a stand up guy there Saintly.” ROTFL!! I thought it was tacky and tasteless of him, Ferro.

It’s fun to watch Sofia taunt Jorge. He deserves it and she does it soooo well. Of course, she’s had decades of practice.

“Ric puts him down on the table in one swift move. I would say that this shows what a badass Ric is, but Vasco could barely stand up. He would have put himself on the table if Ric hadn’t done it.” ROTFLLL!!! Great point. Vasco is his own worst enemy. At least he could tuck that hair in, maybe Ursula would look more kindly on him if he took better care of himself.

“Reminds me of going to bed after a nasty argument with the wife.” What, you watch all the garbage on all these novelas and you still fight?

“the other girl is there too. Is she her cousin? I don’t remember her name or anything.” She’s LaFont’s daughter who is sworn to tell LaFont all about Ursula or get smacked.

“Ascanio tells him that his mother died soon after he was kidnapped. Claudio slumps down and has a good cry.” I figured the Duchess had been knocked off when the new Duke had made sure the boys were out of sight, too. It’s going to be difficult for Claudio to prove he is really supposed to be the Duke, but it seems to me he should be the heir after his Dad was killed (which we heard early in the story).

Lis and Tia Fran knew about the stipulation about the money, because they were sitting there hearing the will read. But they think they’ve got an angle since there was no consummation. I think they’re wrong, but they are convinced they can get the money.

Who knows? Maybe LaFont would actually take care of Lis. It could happen…..maybe she could reform him. Nah, probably not.

Jardinera/dread lucy cash - re: voodoo dollies--ROTFL!

Jeanne
 

My mother also collects dolls and has a favorite. However, she doesn't carry a doll around with her, hold one in her lap and pet it, or take one to bed. That seems a bit strange for an adult.
 

This show had captions here in L.A. Even so, I found the vocab difficult.

As for the timeframe: Some time ago in the comments, there were 2 suggestions for what the conflict between the Spanish and the English in the Caribbean might be, namely the Anglo-Spanish war of the mid-1600s, or the War of Spanish Succession in 1701-1714. Seems like we never settled on one or the other. Any ideas?

Santiago really got on my last little raggedy nerve when he whined that he is supposed to understand half the world, but nobody tries to understand him. Bulging pecs or no, he needs a testosterone patch.
 

Captain Julie Nickel vane, I don't think that comparing your mom's love of dolls with Lis is a fair comparison if you're going to conclude that Lis has a problem. For one thing your mom has vision. Like myself, she can enjoy her dolls from across the room. Liz has no vision. She has to hold hers in order to feel the same satisfaction. I don't know the writers intention. Her doll just might mean that she's a wierdo, or it might be a voodoo doll or a sign of immaturity, or anything else negative and abnormal. Ever since she touched Ric's face it has been intellectually concluded that she has a problem. So, I rest my case.
 

Ferro, you did a great job even without captions. I live in Rochester, NY and I had captions. By the way, please fill me in. Did something happen between Lis and her doll? I'm drawing a blank from the last couple of comments.
 

Anon 10:47 - the writers are using the subtle (or not so subtle) device of having Lis do child-like things to emphasize her blindness. She doesn't "look" blind, except with these little reminders they give us. She's beautiful, her hair is perfect, and holding her doll, using that funky cane, and using "sighted guide" travel position (the actual technical term) are some of the devices they're using. But they add some that today's blind folks have learned that are not necessarily socially appropriate, for example, holding the doll and feeling Ric's face. Of course, we have all noticed--even if we haven't realized it--that she doesn't ask to see anyone else's face, does she? Fran would probably smack her if Lis tried to "see" her face.

Anyway, these are merely reminders the writers give us of her blindness. They are using some of the worst stereotypes that sighted people hold to emphasize it.

I told Cheryl last week that Willa or Tonki from Duelo should be Lis's dog guide. I haven't ever seen a poodle as a dog guide, but Willa's a big one and who knows??? Tonki is is shepherd so he'd do. Then she could give up that funky cane.

BTW, few blind folks use canes inside familiar rooms and their homes. I always chuckle when I see Lis tapping furniture with it.

Jeanne
 

Jeanne I thought (and commented out loud to my wife) the same thing the first time I saw Lis tentatively tapping her way to the door to open it IN HER OWN ROOM. I said there's no way any blind person ever would do that. I'm glad to know I was right. I guess they need to do that, like you said, so we continue to remember that she is blind. Maybe they should just have her walk around holding a cup with a couple pencils in it?
 

Ferro/Cousin Dread Pirate Cash--ROTFLLLLLL!!!! Not too subtle, but it would be effective.

Jeanne
 

Ferro, that was awful. But funny. :) I think walking around with a cup full of pencils would be an improvement.

Sometimes I see the actress focusing on an object, and I wonder if there weren't any blind people she could have met with, or maybe someone who coaches actors about blindness, or something.
 

I wonder if they'd let me volunteer. Of course, I'd have to demonstrate why it's bad form to feel Ric's face. I would be delighted to give technical assistance for the rest of the novela. (sigh, it's probably too far along to do much good now).

Current Orientation & Mobility instruction (aka O&M in the field) and instruction for students with Visual Impairments addresses room orientation as one of the first things a blind individual does when coming to a new building. (Of course, there's how to enter the building, and get to where you want to go). When I have a blind individual with me, I usually give a quick rundown of what is where and do a systematic room orientation if the individual will be coming to the building and the room often. I convey all the visual information, which is what Fran does and Ric, too, sometimes, when they walk in a new situation with Lis. Even with a deafblind person I will be describing both visual information and auditory information, which can take some time in a complex situation with lots going on around us. It depends on how much of the info is relevant or would be of interest to the individual. Some of my friends and acquaintances like to know EVERYthing, and others want a recap, so to speak. It requires that the sighted guide (with deafblind individuals, a Support Service Provider/SSP or Intervenor, who interprets, guides and conveys visual/auditory information--whole articles and book chapters have been written on the subjects) concentrates fully if the individual wants most of the information. With friends or in informal situations less is given. The writers of Pasion apparently are having Fran do what comes naturally, to tell about the environment, or they have had a little--I repeat LITTLE--consultation.

If they need me, I'm here....especially if I could demonstrate to Ric how to properly guide her or something. ;-)

Jeanne
 

A belated thanks for the recap, Ferro.
And a belated Feliz Año Nuevo to all.

All the women chasing Ric, except the one he wants. I hope Ric and Cami start heating up soon!

OT - I watched the 5 hr. dvd of "Amor Real" yesterday - first time I'd seen the show. Wow! I "get" why so many of you love Colunga. Wish I'd seen the show in full, although I'm not sorry to have missed the long version of all the plot turns that kept the two apart. When M. joined the rebels, I groaned....will they ever be together? Would have liked more scenes showing the development of the love between M & M.

Next for me, is "El Manantial" - know nothing about it, but it's at the library.

As for Pasión, Ric's character confuses me - he seems like a good guy, but then, he is a pirate, and has killed people (I assume). At least he hasn't been to the brothel, like his sidekick. :)
 

Thanks Jean (Captain Cash)for taking the time to present your professional point of view. It makes sense to me that the doll is merely among the many thing's that the writers are using to emphasize blindness. Personally, I don't come in contact with that many blind people. So, the stereotypes don't seem that out of place to me. Especially the enlightment about the cane, or the fact that blind people don't tap furniture in their homes. Those tidbids have no impact on the enjoyment of the story line for me. I'm a professional in the medical field. I could point out dozens of misconceptions in the portrayal of hospital scenes. Some viewers might enjoy knowing how they stereotype doctors and nurses and that no real hospital operates the way they are portrayed in novelas. But I suspect that many viewers can appreciate the story line and are not distracted by unrealistic and exaggerated props. (They are a part of every movie and telenovela that I've ever seen). Now I'm not insinuating that pointing out these discrepancies are taboo. In fact, last week I enjoyed the comments from all those in the financial field that had concerns about the way the money was being handled. I honestly got a kick out out that because it had gone right over my head.
 

Good point, Anon. I realize that hospital scenes are totally unrealistic but it doesn't bother me because I'm not in that field or anything, but the smallest detail like "hey they never paid their bill at dinner! That server is going to get screwed later when he can't close the ticket, then not be able to close his shift, then the cash count is going to be off too!" sets me into a tizzy (In my accounting career, I've spent plenty of time in retail and restaurant work). I guess it's all about what you know.
 

Anon 1:29, great points about the so-called medical scenes in the telenovelas. You would have been chuckling and poking fun at Duelo de Pasiones, and all the funky "medical" scenes in that one, too.

Jeanne
 

Captain Jenny Cash -- Your comments about the portrayal of blind people have been really interesting. Did you ever see Lazos de Amor? It too was a Carla Estrada production featuring Lucero (Hipolita in Alborada) as triplets. One of the triplets is blind, and she is involved in a foundation for the blind, so there are several blind characters in it. I was wondering if the portrayal in that was better. I do remember that Maria Fernanda never used a cane in her own home.
Thinking back on it, I'm not sure she ever used a cane. I think she always had someone guiding her when she was outside the home. I had the impression that the actress who played the head of the
foundation actually is blind. I'd like to know if that is true. If not, she certainly convinced me.
 

madd mary-I didn't see that one. If they featured a foundation, it was probably accurate. Interesting that one of triplets was blind. (It happens, usually due to prematurity of multiple births). I would love to know that as well. I'll see what I can find out.

Here in the US, the head of the American Foundation for the Blind is a blind gentleman, and the National Federation of the Blind's head is, also. It is customary here, while not so much in other countries, that the head of the organizations are blind individuals. It wouldn't surprise me if Mexico had a foundation with a head who is blind, though.

Jeanne
 

Madd mary--I didn't pay attention to your question. It's possible the actress playing the head of the foundation was indeed a blind person, but even in the US they still don't use blind and deaf people to play blind or deaf roles. The deaf community has many outstanding actors in the US, so this is a bone of contention for the community. There are not so many actors with visual impairments, but that's in large part due to the reluctance of directors and producers to find qualified blind individuals.

Jeanne
 

Captain Jenny -- In this case, the triplets were in a car accident when they were about 3 or 4 years old, which killed their parents. Maria Fernanda was blinded in the accident, and one of her sisters was lost. Maria Fernanda and her other sister lived after that with their grandmother, who spent much of her time and money looking for the third sister.

I don't know if the foundation in this telenovela is a real foundation in Mexico City or one created for the story. I was hoping you had seen it. You could have told, I'm sure, whether that actress is blind just by her actions.
 

I didn't realize that there were blind actors or actresses. So, for that reason they should have an equal opportunity to compete for the roles. On the other hand, acting is just what the name says. I'm sure they're not going to tell them to "just act natural". Unless they are playing the part of a real person, natural would be pretty boring. But, then, any added drama to the role would mean that they too are doing things that blind people don't actually do.
 

madd mary - thanks for clarifying that about the triplets. They were all played by Lucero, right? Nope, I had not seen it but maybe I can rent it sometime for kicks.

I probably could tell if a character was actually blind or has low vision (term for someone with partial usable vision; some of these folks actually read print with modifications but may not drive or thread needles by sight, etc., for example). But, I cannot always tell. I'm probably right about 90% of the time--not a bad average. It's not as easy to tell with an individual who has low vision and terrific skills.

Jeanne
 

In my comment I meant to say, "Unless they are playing the part of a real person, like Helen Keller. In other words, I'm wondering what they would add to the role that the producers would see as cost effective etc. Although it would please a lot of us, the producers see this as a business.
 

Lisabeta and her doll--didn't the printed preview mention she lost her sight at age 10? If so, then her attachment to the doll could tie her back to that time, and her somewhat abnormal emotional development since then.
La Paloma
 

Captain Jenny -- Yes, Lucero played all three, probably the biggest acting challenge she has ever had. I know you can buy it (in edited form, of course), but I don't know if you can rent it.

Maria Fernanda didn't walk around with a doll, but she did have some stuffed animals she slept with. Somehow I didn't really connect this with her blindness so much as her insecurity. All three were traumatized in different ways by the accident. The lost one had amnesia. Every once in awhile she would have a strange nightmare, but she didn't really remember anything before the accident. Maria Paula, who lived with Maria Fernanda and her grandmother, knew that she was guilty of causing the accident, had horrible nightmares at times, was terribly narcisistic and was the villain of the piece. So the fact that Maria Fernanda cuddled with a few teddy bears didn't seem very significant.

Buy the way, Monica Miguel (director of Pasion) was also in this telenovela, as was the actor who plays the blond pirate. And Fran in Pasion (mother of Carla Estrada) plays the woman who found the lost girl and raised her.
 

Thanks for all the great info cuzzin Captain Jenny Cash/Schoolmarm in Black! You're such a wealth of knowledge, I'm glad you're on board for this novela ride...
jb--Iron Jack Cash
 

I have never seen Lazos de Amor, but I liked Lucero in Alborada. Did anyone see her last night at the Latin Grammys??? She looked stunning. I'd like to see her in a new telenovela...maybe with Eduardo Yanez. As for Amor Real, you can buy the comnplete telenovela on ebay , but it's about $100.00. Jeanne, very interesting comments. By the way, I used to teach a chapter on Helen Keller in one of my ESL reading classes, and I was wondering, when you work with someone who is deaf and blind , do you make the signs in his/her hand???
 

Iron Jack/jb - Thanks. That's what I know best (deafness and blindness, with a few assorted additional disabilities that accompany those on occasion).

La Paloma, now that you mention it, I think you are right. I remember thinking if she lost her sight at ten it might be Staargardt's syndrome, which could leave her some very low peripheral vision but no central vision (nothing for reading fine print or seeing fine details at all). However, who knows what all it could be in that era. Your observation about getting stuck on the dolls at that age is a good one.

My mother-in-law became deaf at age 4. She mispronounced some words as a preschooler that she continued to mispronounce exactly that way all her life after she lost her hearing abruptly, though she read them correctly. (She said "prettyful," instead of "beautiful," for example). It was precious. She was a very intelligent woman and very well-read, but this one thing was a hold-over from that earlier time.

madd mary, thanks for the info on Lazos de Amor. I may try to pick it up one of these days. In my spare time. :-)

Jeanne
 

Mad Bess/Susanlynn--yes, with many deafblind people, their primary receptive communication mode is either fingerspelling into their hands (three possible positions that are generally used) or using full signs into their hands, or a combination. It depends on the person, when she/he lost vision, the philosophies of the teachers, and any number of other factors. There are actually about two dozen ways I have seen people who are deafblind receive communication, though not as many they use to express their thoughts back to others. Some speak (depending on when they became deaf or blind or deafblind, if they became both simultaneously). Some sign, some type the words out, etc. Interpreters/intervenors/SSPs usually know a few ways and concentrate on communicating with the folks who receive the ways the terps/intervenors/SSPs can communicate. It's fascinating to see a large group of individuals who are deafblind and the variety of ways they are receiving info. There is one type of deafblindness, Usher Syndrome, where the individual is born with a hearing loss and becomes blind progressively with a retinal disorder (retinitis pigmentosa) which produces tunnel vision that closes in slowly over the years, usually leaving some central vision. I know many folks with Usher, of course, because they often have attended programs like those where I have worked.

It's a small field numbers-wise, but has lots of complexities.

Jeanne
 

What I meant to say about Usher is that the folks may use sign language until the central vision is gone, then switch to tactile sign language. Using central vision for sign language necessitates some modification, though, like the signer has to sign smaller and move a few feet away or the signs "go off the screen like PacMan" to make an awkward comparison. The signs go off into the blind spot at the periphery, and not only at the sides, but below and above. The blind spot is circular eventually and only the center is left, like looking through tubes or something. This kind of individual interpreting can be seen in a group of deafblind folks, too.

Jeanne
 

Cap'n cuzzin' Cash - Thanks for that bit of backgrounder. Makes this site pretty interesting when folks chat about what they know from their own personal and professional experience. I remember that back with Destilando there was a period when Gavi was burning shoeleather selling encyclopedias and, being in sales, I got a kick out of how that was written and played out. We had psychologists and lawyers chime in on that telenovela also which added lots of spice!
 

:-)

Yep, I like hearing what the others say from different professions and experiences. This blog is great for all that.

Jeanne
 

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