Caray, Caray!

Good Morning Y'all:

I think I got most of everything, and for the first time, I think I actually got the joke about Bologna, Italia. It was funny too. Please enjoy the recap ; )
 

Thanks, Mads! I got a laugh out of throwing "Lupe for a loop."
 

Great recap, Mads!! I will try what you guys suggest, not to type real-time but watch through takign notes then going back to recording to get any details...
You pretty much caught all the jokes/funny moments.
Yes, Lupe was thrown for a loop was a classic.
About:
He starts to tell her about the clause of the will of his GrandPapa, but she cuts him off. She doesn't want to hear it.
How many of us would be willing to bet that somehow A-hole tries to cojole Lupe into legally admitting Emi is her son and even tries to marry her instead of Mini?? Since Lupe has no idea of the 'Grandpa clause'.. if only she had let MA speak... Paula, there is your classic lack of communication issue.

 

Thanks Madelaine, very well done. As I watched last night, I tried to imagine what it must like recapping this show. I almost hyperventilated. You guys are doing such a great job keeping up with and capturing the merriment. I don't think that I could even correctly identify half of the characters here yet.

While I'm happy to see Saul and MA together again, I'm a little disappointed that (for me at least) they haven't quite recovered the magic they had with each other in LFMB. Meanwhile, I'm just enjoying Leo more and more.

I'm also getting a kick out of Vilma. She is a delightful lady toady.

Carlos
 

Carlos,
regarding Vilma, I think the writers should get a clue from our comments so far, she would be a much richer character if she had some secret agenda (some old grudge) against the RPs and she really wanted to destroy their rich lifestyle (problem is that would mean Grandpa or MA's dad had some dirty rag in his closet, and from what we have seen so far, grandpa sounds like the old grandpa from Desti/Cafe or even BLF/LFMB, a straight businessman who would shiver from just the thought of doing something 'dirty or unjust'.
 

Thanks for the recap Mads. One thing, I thought Perla crossed her fingers when she promised to kept MA's secret so that will most likely be a problem in the future.

Marta, yes. When Lupe cut off MA about the clause, I had all types of thoughts about Alejo trying to snatch Emil, had not thought he would try to marry her. My guess is he'll find out after the marriage so kidnapping might be the order of the day.
 

I just wonder how they are going to make Nepo have even a hair of hope with Lupita now that MA and her are finding reasons to identify with each other and bond together... will Nepo become so obsessed that he will end up scheming in team with A-hole to separate them? ... i really hope not.
 

Karen,
Thanks for the recap Mads. One thing, I thought Perla crossed her fingers when she promised to kept MA's secret so that will most likely be a problem in the future.


yes, I saw that too... and was trying to figure out how Perla telling someone might affect them... if she tells Don Chuy not sure if he would dare go against Lupe's plan, but what if she tells others like Tizoc or even Nepo.
 

of course i meant..
somehow A-hole tries to cojole Lupe into legally admitting Emi is HIS son...

btw, how would it affect Lupe's willingness to let Emi meet A-hole eventually if she finds out the only reason A-hole would try to approach them is 'the clause'.
 

Madelaine, thanks for the great recap and "throwing Lupe for a loop".

AS calls the Menchaca house a "cuchitril" (pigsty) but then MA calls it a "chiquero" (pigsty) to Lupe's face? Not the way to advance his cause(s). He still has a way to go.

I liked how the investors/board moved en masse to address the magazine issue with Alejo. Also, their hardline on Grandfather's clause.

Also I am enjoying all of the schtick: like the dile tu--you tell him- interchange between AS and Leonardo.

SinceI was wondering about the ubiquitous nature of that orange building in these telenovelas, I did a google search and it looks like it is part of the Televisa home offices in DF. You guys probably knew that already.

Carlos, I agree with you about the MA and Saul relationship--not quite the same. Talking about LFMB, the actress who played goofy Leticia Mendiola is one of Isela's friends at the Club.

Jarifa





 

Thanks so much, Mads! I'm looking forward to seeing the episode later. Still not quite sure how MA made the leap to assume that Emi is Alejo's kid.
 

Fun ep! I lost it when MA made that face when he tasted the soup and said "Guadeluuupeee"
 

Also- the subasta brought back memories of Spanish class, we used to do auctions and describe in español :) que divertido! Though it was a bit insane to think they would get all that money for the items in that restaurant!
 

Thanks, Madelaine. I usually don't get to watch the whole thing right away on Thursday nights, so as usual this is a big help.

I did see up to the first commercial break (which is 1/3rd of the show), though. One thing I'll add, I don't know if it's relevant, is that Alejo said it was no big deal to mention the fraud in the magazine because he didn't identify MA by name as the fraudster. This little detail is pretty much meaningless right now, but perhaps the ambiguity will matter later.

I'm sorry I missed the yard sale, but I can't imagine why AS couldn't find a better way to liquidate her fabergé egg collection (assuming they're real or even just high-quality imitations). Even Sharky could have given her a better price than the people in Other Italy.

As for Emiliano, I don't know if even marrying Lupe would qualify the boy as a varón according to the terms of the "Grandfather Clause" (nice one, Mads!). The clause said the presidency would go to the first to get married and have a varón baby. That leaves some room for interpretation: does the baby have to be born after the wedding (which disqualifies Emiliano completely), and if not, does the baby have to belong to his wife (else he can stay married to Mini and still claim Emil as his varón)?

It could end up being a long-term plot point as the stockholders debate this, especially since they obviously do not want Ahole to be in charge. It could be in court for months.

As for Nepo's prospects with Lupita, I think Lupita's attraction to MA could actually drive her right into Nepo's arms. She doesn't WANT to be attracted to another RP, and Nepo represents the easy way out. Granted, Lupe doesn't usually take the easy way, but she might if the stakes were high enough.

Jarifa, I didn't know the orange building belonged to Televisa. It certainly explains a lot! It's been in LFMB, PESE, and this one - so Rosy must really like it. :) (Was it in Tontas too? I didn't watch enough of it to know.)
 

Julie, good point about

As for Nepo's prospects with Lupita, I think Lupita's attraction to MA could actually drive her right into Nepo's arms. She doesn't WANT to be attracted to another RP, and Nepo represents the easy way out. Granted, Lupe doesn't usually take the easy way, but she might if the stakes were high enough.

had not thought of it that way but so true!

 

Madelaine, thanks for recapping and filling in the details for us. It takes a while for all the funny business to twine around the action, but I enjoy watching it.
 

Good Morning Y'all and thanks so much for all your kind words and the missing pieces : )

Karen:

I fixed the part of the crossed fingers. I didn't see it, too busy taking notes, so thanks for that! I bet Perla spills in a heart beat.

Sara:

Thanks so much and love your new avatar.

Marta:

Thanks so much. Good idea about Vilma's maybe hidden agenda. That would be a great side plot.

Julie:

Thanks so much, you always clear things up for me. I too don't get how MA just popped out with Ahole is the bebe daddy. MA sure has a swift mind making connections that is. You brought up a good question about that Grandfather clause. I think it's pretty basic from what I understood. Ahole has to marry and produce an heir. There are some loop holes here, big time. They never mentioned if the heir counted, if he was born on the wrong side of the blanket, so to speak. Ahole wasn't married at the time of Emiliano's conception and birth so I really don't know what is going to happen. If Ahole were to get a good lawyer, it might fly. I hope at some point we get details about this clause. It's too cut and dried at this point.

Carlos:

It is so good to see you here. This TN is a little gem, I must say and so funny to boot. Vilma is a great female toady isn't she? I like that toady term : )

Shannon:

Welcome! And thanks for the Spanish dicho. I so enjoy learning new words. I lost it too when MA was tasting the soup and rolling his eyes in ecstasy, too funny.

Vivi:

Thanks. Please come back and tell us how you liked this epi. So funny ; )


 

I too wonder about Nepo and Lupe. She kinda, sorta likes him, but I think she is starting to have some feelings for MA. I think she is starting to realize deep down he isn't as bad as she first thought. We'll have to see. Nepo has been wanting Lupe for a long, long time. I don't think he'll give up easily.
 

Jarifa:

Thanks so much and about the orange building. I didn't know that. I too remember it from PESE.


What is the RP's bidness called? I have just been calling it the RP bidness cause I didn't know the name.
 

La Paloma:

Thanks so much. It does take some time doesn't it? With the action, but this one is such a hoot. AS is my favorite character, along with Don Chuy and Lupe and of course MA. They are all so funny. Leo makes me laugh with his Spanglish too.
 

I hope Lupe does NOT go running to Nepo's arms. I really like the guy and I would prefer that he find out early that Lupe is not that interested and have him move on. I think it would hurt him more to think he has Lupe and then loses her.
 

As I recall the infamous clause said that the boy had to be a legitimate heir which would leave Emiliano out unless crooked Ahole tried to claim he had married Lupe. That wouldn't fly because nothing in the world would make her lie like that.

I think there is still some of the LFMB chemistry especially with the overreaction when MA got in the car and poor Saul was terrified because of the neighborhood. I also howled with laughter when MA told him, don't worry i've got it under control Yeah right.

Little Emiliano seems to have several of the RP traits. A touch of Ahole's arrogance when he tells Leo and AS this is my house and some of MA's smarts when he has observed his mother's nervousness around the RP's. This is one bright little dude.

The garage sale was too much. The problem for the RP's although they might not have figured it out is that they can't brazenly go to the big pawn shop and or and auction house to sell their stuff because they can't risk being spotted by any of their socialite friends. And have they thought that if their junque went on the auction block people might recognize it?
 

Thank you for the recap, Mads.

The Grandfather Clause specified a "legitimate" son. If Alejo married Lupita and recognized his son, would that count? Or must the son be legitimate at birth? I don't know.

Marta: About the part where MA tries to explain the Grandfather Clause and Lupe won't let him. I predict that the problem will swing the other way. Lupe will fall for MA and agree to marry him, and then Alejo will somehow inform her about the clause, and she'll conclude that MA only wants her so he can gain the fortune. In typical TN style, at that point she'll give up on true love and settle for Nepo because he's a good decent man and her son needs a daddy. Just like Helena with Pluto in Eva.

Carlos, I think the reason the MA/Saul combination doesn't work for you is that Augie Arana is playing the smart one and Camil is playing the dumb one. Talk about casting against type!! IMHO most lab rats are smarter than AA, so when his character is supposed to be the brains of the operation, I just can't buy it.

I'm having similar troubles with the Vilma character. In both Eva and Los Exitosos Perez she was very smart. Heartless in Perez, but still smart. I can't think of her as someone this stupid regarding Alejo, especially since she's so sharp and competent in everything else. Minerva, stupid? Claro! Vilma stupid? No me cuadra.

 

Decie, we posted simultaneously. Great minds think alike.

Vivi, how'd MA figure out that Alejo is the daddy? Lupita asked him, and he gave her two reasons. My memory is foggy; I think one was her initial anger when she heard he was an RP. I think the other involved her visit to the company; I'm not sure.

One small clarification on the staff meeting. The one guy had been the head of their business magazine for like ten years, and Alejo announced they'd have the sexy scty of the month. The exec protested, trying to save the reputation of his product - imagine if Forbes or Business Week included a centerfold???

The old guy at the auction suggested that AS sell her stuff through Sharky. Don Chuey warned AS that she doesn't want to go that route, but we all know how much AS respects Chuey's wisdom.

Madeline, you said, "If Ahole were to get a good lawyer..." I predict he's going to get a BAD lawyer.


 

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure that what Perla heard is that MA is a futigive. You know she's going to run and tell Wendy, and Wendy will tell Nepo, and then things will get more complicated for everyone.

Julie, the orange building was not in Tontas. But I think they missed a golden opportunity. Picture it:
MiguelAngel has just returned to Mexico, after years in London. He's seeing, for the first time in many years, places and people and objects that had a huge influence in his life. He comes up the driveway, stops and gazes at the big orange building, and says, "Ay, caray! What memories this place has for me!"

 

LOL, Paula. That would be funny, but it seems to me that (unlike with PESE) Rosy et al are going out of their way to avoid Fea references. Except for AA and the building, I've seen very little to recall Fea at all. Even AA doesn't even remind me much of Fea, because (as you pointed out) he's playing the exact opposite kind of character here. And they're shooting the building from a different angle.

Funny, though - I'm having no trouble accepting AA in the Saul role, and Vilma's casting is working okay for me too (except for hoping Vilma is smarter than she seems). Obviously they look like their previous characters, but the acting is effective enough that they don't remind me of their old roles at all.
 

Paula, I agree that that could be where they might take the 'MA was not able to tell Lupe about the 'Grandpa clause'... it depends on how much Lupe gets to know MA before Alejo spills the beans... but knowing this is a TN, you are right, she will believe she was deceived by MA and that will lead her right to Nepo.

As far as whether A-hole would be able to blackmail/persuade Lupe into admitting Emi is his son, there could be millions of ways... once she falls for MA, she could be told that is the only way MA will stay out of jail (A-hole will tell where MA is if she does not let him 'recognize' Emi) or he could even force her to marry him. who knows... i hope Lupe has more backbone than that... if she just doesn't do anything she might be better off... hopefully she will go to the right source of advise, i would say Don Chuy.
 

Deice:

Thanks so much. I agree about Emiliano's traits. He is a sweet little boy though, and very smart. I agree about the RP's stuff. They really can't go sell it anywhere else can they. Unless there is a Craig's list and they send Saul to make the sale, but then again, their stuff would be recognizable.

Paula:

I so agree with what you said. And thanks for the little missing pieces. I agree about Forbes and Business World. That so wouldn't fly. Ahole is just so full of himself. He has to have made some blunder, but ya know the more I think about it, the more I think Vilma actually is smarter than she acts. I bet she had more to do with the fraud then Ahole. She just seems to be a dumb bunny.
 

Decie Girl and Paula,

my memory of the clause is also that it must be a legitimate male child. Now I would think that if Alejo were to marry Lupita, that would legitimize Emiliano albeit after the fact. Could anyone get us a copy of that will so we can have our own lawyers look it over?

Carlos
 

Great recap Madeline!

The auction was funny, AS and Leo could make more for their stuff with the loan shark but there's no way they could get the money those pieces are worth again.

Paula, I don't think Tiaré Scanda was in LEP. I don't remember her.

By the way, Tiaré and Silvia Pasquel played evil allies in Amarte es Mi Pecado. Their looks were very different (I can't believe Tiaré could speak with those fake teeth): here's a link to a scene with them.

Jarocha
 

IANAL. However...

Marrying Lupita might "legitimize" Emiliano in a legal sense, but it still might not satisfy the clause.

The clause said "get married and have a legitimate heir." This can be interpreted to mean "marry and then have an heir, in that order." (That is what I assumed.) If the lawyers argue this successfully and a judge agrees, then Emiliano cannot qualify as an heir.

I don't know how the lawyers would argue this. Maybe there is some legal precedent; or maybe there are witnesses (like Grandma) or some other document written by Abuelo to clarify his idea of a "legitimate heir". For example, perhaps someone can produce a letter from Grandpa where he specifically said that in his opinion, any child born out of wedlock was permanently illegitimate.
 

sorry, "IANAL"="I Am Not A Lawyer"
 

Oops! Jarocha, you're right. In LEP I was often confused between África Zavala and Dalilah Polanco, and somehow I thought our Vilma was one of those two (it's been a few years since LEP). But you're right.

Julie, regarding getting a judge to agree with Alejo's interpretation of the clause. Don't forget, "Con dinero baila el perro" - with enough money, even a dog will dance. Especially in certain sectors of the Mexican legal system, it helps to invest in an agreeable judge.

 

Madeleine, Thanks for the recap. "I got about half of what was said this evening". OK, you are way too modest and even if it were true, that's way better than I did! Wow, so fast, so much slang! I'm impressed.

I was happy to see AS get thru most of the day without drinking.

I didn't see enough of DaVinci last night. When we saw him in the last scenes, he was wearing another coat. The RP's may have left MA's wardrobe behind but at least they didn't forget DaVinci's.

Barbara
 

Sure, Paula, but some of those stockholders must have plenty of money, too. And there are more of them than there are of Alejo!
 

What Lupe needs to do is tell Don Chuy what she knows STAT. Perla won't keep her mouth shut and the Menchacas could be charged with aiding and abetting a fugitive. Chuy then should sit everybody down including the RP's and set some rules. Of course it's a TN so Lupe won't talk and Perla will.

I was hesitant to get involved in this one because of fears of it being another version of LFMB, same actors, same producer but I seem to have worried in vein. I don't remember if it is the same director, I'm inclined to think not because JC is being kept under control. He has a tendency to go over board in comedies and when directors let him get away with it bad things result. I bailed on PESE after a week because he was out of control. If the director can keep him on a tight leash and the producer doesn't go for an extension we should be in for a fun ride like the one we've been having.
 

The LFMB director died shortly before that show wrapped, so KPobs is most certainly not being directed by the same person.
 

The LFMB director was the guy that was in the photo Alicia was hugging as the picture of her dad in his toumb. His name was Sergio Jimenez, if I remember correctly. He used to be a very good actor in televisa novelas back in 70s or so.I remember seeing him and liked his work back then. Loved his voice too.