Caray, Caray!

Finally! A realistic reaction to a death. So many times when a person has been killed in this novela, it's as if people just heard that their favorite makeup product has been discontinued. Poor Tita! I felt the sadness with this one.

Hey, someone clear this up for me please. You remember when Raquel mentioned that Eduardo was "the only thing that I have of Adriano"?? Well, it doesn't make sense to me that Eduardo would be her favorite. If anything, Cristobal is the product of her union with Adriano. I'd imagine that she would despise Eduardo because he would be a constant reminder of Valentina and Adriano's love.
 

I agree about poor Tita. Grief radiating from every pore. But it doesn't make sense that the mortuary guy would be asking Karina about the clue he found in Rafa's pants though (the card that says "fue ella")--that would be a police matter. Also, as the victim of a homicide, wouldn't it be prudent not to let Rafa's body get all ruffled up and contaminated by grieving family members? Just saying...
J in O
 

Tita broke my heart last night.
 

And would it have been so hard for Rafa to write "Fue Raquel"? His "clue" seems a little vague to stand up in court.
 

Looks like Raq is really bringing the crazy. Another murder and some torture for Val before another try to kill her.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I would swear I heard her say that Ed was all she had of Adriano's and he would never know he was Val's. If Ed was all she had why give away Chris.

So once again we have a policeman who is more concerned with finding an escaped mental patient then the one woman crime wave right in front of his face. Her own kids are giving him more damning evidence than was used against Blanca.

Ed was smart to get out with Sofia but stupid to leave Val. With everything he knows about Raq's crimes he still can't get it through his head that she hates her own sister. Glad to see Adriano rushing to the rescue while the boys have their heads up their ........
 

Thelma

I've long thought that Chris is not Adriano's and there is only one son. I know there was a DNA test but we know how Raq operates. Yes she told Val there were two sons but I think she was lying. In any event we will soon know either way.

Go USA. I BELIEVE
 

Vals roll down the stone steps was even turning the guards against Raq.

so how many swimming pools does this place have,
I kind of like the round one overlooking the bay.
 

I like that one, too. Raq probably wanted a more private pool for her killin' though.
 

Just the look on Tita's face when the police showed up said it all.

Blanca didn't disappoint me though with her expression of empathy toward Simona when she broke the news Rafa dead. Lisette gotta be on some heavy meds

Thelma - I think in Raquel's twisted mind she could make her sisters child hers while Chris, though hers, just a reminder daily of Adriano's preference for her sister. If in fact the DNA was not tampered with and Chris not Adriano's son.

Well Blanca got to circle in red the last bobblehead but for the kids to have to do the police work and demand mama be picked up is crazy.

Blanca - comfortably numb

Val - looks who's talking

Rafa - some real tears over your demise

Simona - more like fwb

Raquel - twisted sister

Ed - never leave your mother alone with your mother

Adriano - so now you show concern for Val

Tita - proof even mama loves a wanna be thug

 

I've always thought that big mansion looked more like a hotel then a private residence what with that big pool like area in front of the bay.

At last we got a look sat what made Raq so crazy. Lost her mother when Val was born, Daddy obviously was concerned with his motherless infant so Raq is no longer the big cheese in the house, resents sweeter less needy younger sister and the rest is history.
 

I'm surprised Raq hasn't gone after Melania. She is the one who can prove Mariana was the woman who killed the convict in prison because she took her Blanca's clothes.

I couldn't believe Ed said to Adriano Raq wouldn't hurt her own sister. Yet at the police the "boys" said she was capable of anything.

And when the police asked about Blanca why didn't Eduardo tell him Mariana confessed it was her and not Blanca?

Eduardo comes off as dense as Blanca comes off as non-emotive. Ah well mama is going to use Sofia to get to Blanca. Maybe his fog will lift as mama shoots him.
 

I really hope Valentina punches Raq in the throat before this thing ends.
 

artf: I will be disappointed if they let Melania slip away into the sunset...Letitia's decades of being wrongly imprisoned have to count for something, so surely those two will figure in the gran finale. I really want all the minor baddies (like the nurse and the warden) to get some payback. For some reason, Raq's masseuse/hit man always seemed to have some shred of humanity and he doesn't bother me so much.
J in O
 

Hey J in O

I agree she should do some time. Besides she is getting what she needs forgiveness from Valentina and her daughter.

And Sara I agree with you too. I wanted Valentina to slap Raq back but I guess she is too weak.

I think they are working up to Ed being Valentina's son. When she said Raq showed her the proof of Adriano's infidelity. I'll be very surprised if that wasn't her pregnancy with Chris.
 

Okay what happened to the guard that Raq shot in Val's room? Are they all just stepping over his body? Nobody mentioned him.

Who wants to bet that the finale will show Simona giving birth to a mini-Rafa? (Awww....)

It made me cringe to see Raq holding that poor little puppy, who did she steal it from?

Re Blanca's clompy walk: is it possible she is bowlegged? Those flowered pants did not do her any favors.

J in O
 

Haven't watched yet, but YES it's very possible that Lisette is bowlegged. I was thinking highly pigeon-toed myself.

 

I'm stubborn and am still refusing to believe that Chris is Adriano's. I can't see Raq giving him away if he really was and he looked shocked when he got the call from the clinic about the DNA and went to ask Val what was going on.

Val knows that Ed is her son because Raq taunted her with it saying that Adriano would never know he was Val and his. I'm guessing she thought she would have killed her sister before that truth came out.

Interesting that Val knew about the affair but I couldn't figure out if she knew about it at the time or just from Raq's throwing it in her face.

I too think Melania should do some time but it looks like she is going to skate.Then again she knows things that can be added to the list of Raq's crimes.

So the cops finally got proof that Blanca was innocent of the prison killing and pretty much everything else.

Hugo may have been responsible for Rafa's death but he is smart enough to have recorded Raq's bragging confessions on her own phone. Poor little Sofia looked stunned.
 

I do not like how the writers have used the children in this TN, involving them in some very grown-up situations in order to advance the plot. Sofia and Hugo have been innocent dupes of the most despicable villain...and seeing Raq dangle that puppy in front of Sofia was very disturbing.
It's like they used the kids as one more way to display Raq's evilness when really, we already knew she was evil enough. Hugo not so much, his character was pretty clueless but poor little Sofia suffered so many losses of innocence at Raq's hands...not the worst of which was Ivan forcing Mariana to take the little girl along on that stupid gun-running trip.
J in O
 

Sofia really has had it tough. First her "dead" mother comes back exposing Ed's well meant lie, then Vicki/Blanca turns out to be a fake, the weird gunrunning trip when she is told to lie to her father, Mother gets killed, Rafa is killed, she learns that her friend Hugo is dead but then he comes back to life, Abuela brags about shooting Val and the list goes on and lest we forget her original puppy is killed although i can't remember if Raq said it had died or run away. On the other hand the little girl is turning out to be one tough cookie. She obviously has her Abuela Val's guts and courage .
 

Love, Love, bats..tcrazy Raquel and never know when she will break out into a rant. Kinda like a musical.

So first dufus Ed doesn't think about Val and then that Sofia may be venerable.

Even little Sofia was giving Raquel dagger eyes before picking Hugo up and them all going for a Happy Meal

Why didn't Blanca just kick off her heels and run away with the kids instead of getting in the car. Raquel has no power any longer.

With everybody, Melania needs some smackdown and was a hateful sidekick far too long

Please Raquel put a period at the end of the Blanca sentence and pop a cap in her.

Why don't Val just tell Chris he is not hers
 

"Kinda like a musical."

That just made my day.

Favorite line from last night:

"She's crazy! She gave me this puppy then said she hated me then dragged us out here!"

I liked seeing Val and Adriano together and cuddly.
 

Apparently Blanca never read those things you see on the internet that tell you never to get into a car with a kidnapper. You're supposed to run in a zig-zag fashion because the chances of them getting a killing shot off aren't very good.

I was just gobsmacked she meekly got in the car and put the handcuffs on! I would have told the kids to run like the wind and done the same myself. Believing she was going to be killed anyway, why not refuse to put on handcuffs, and then grab the steering wheel as has happened in dozens of telenovelas.]

Oh, well, I guess my telenovela beanie needs to go in for a tune-up. It's way too loose.
 

And they were in a pretty public place, too. Gunshot would have attracted some attention.

Blanca should have left the red car running and the door open. Once the kids were in the car they should have taken off. I guess there was no money in the budget for a car chase.
 

Ed must be one of those people that have book smarts but no common sense. He and Blanca deserve each other. She has some common sense at times but has a problem when it comes to difficult choices. Then all sense goes away. She also has a problem with taking the suggestions of others. If you say Blanca don't do this because somebody will get hurt that is the very thing she will do next. Doesn't matter who says it. Yes Ed and Blanca...poor future baby.

I wish the entire pool scene with Adriano coming to the rescue had been done all in one episode. Putting it into two nights kind of took some of the magic of the romance out of the mind.

Was disappointed that Raphael was really dead. I was hoping that after all the almost near deaths he had that the writers would have found him like Ivan. Badly wounded but still alive. Sigh!

April
 

April

If this had been a Televisa novela Rafa would have survived. He was in the process of being redeemed and had a loving mother therefore he couldn't die. Telemundo doesn't take the easy way with its novelas hence dead in the garage.

An excuse for Blanca's usual irrational behavior is that the kids were there and could have been hit by gun fire. She knows Raq has no limits and I think she also senses that the woman is going to have to brag and talk and thus give her a chance to get away. Lame but it the best I can come up with.

Adriano and Val scene one of the best in the whole show.
 

Adriano fished Val out and then his shirt was mostly dry as well and his trousers but his bald head was wet. My favorite scene last night was Raquel using the pool net to push Val under as she ranted.

I thought Val was gonna tell Chris she was not his mother.

I hate that Raquel is making such a to-do over Blanca, giving her a chance to be the center of attention again. Mariana, Rafael, Melania, ole scar face early on, Cat, Chris, Clemente, Letica, Salvador, Leo, Fernanda, Socorro, Adriano, Val and Ramon collected information handed it to Blanca, she took the credit for it, they died or someone close died, while she became rich, pregnant with her prince charming, at the end marry him, there will be fireworks and a Blanca Guerrero day and a street named after her.

 

tofie

Val hasn't had time to tell Chris because that was near the end of the episode. It looks like he will be in for another shock and the complete realization that his mother totally hated and never wanted him. Maybe he will be the one to pull the trigger onher.
 

That's what I've always hoped for, that it was going to be Cristobal to kill her in the end.

Him, or Valentina... but she's been a huge disappointment.
 

I would kind of like to see Valentina be the one to deliver the anvil since, like Thelma said, she's been rather disappointing.

I know I didn't watch from beginning to end, but Val just sat there like a lump for the episodes I did see.

Sort of OT question: How does this compare to other Telemundo ultimas semanas/ultimos dias? I've kind of felt like things are a little slow. Am I off base?
 

Val is a HUGE disappointment and no wonder Adriano cheated on her. I wanted her to rock but instead Raquel mopped the stairs and pool with her with no more than a please don't in defense.

Sara, this is my first Telemundo too and it seems to be dragging out for the last 10 episodes. (we got about 20 minutes of Tita wailing last night but at least her heart was in it) I do enjoy this one more than the nutty teen drama Televisa calls a TN I'm kinda watching too. You are doing a great job with your recaps however.

 

I've been doing marathon catch-ups with the Univision and TV Azteca productions I saved while I was away.

I sat there last night shaking my head at meek little Blanca giving in to Raq. She should have told the kids to get on the other side of the car and then run for it to the nearest adult. Then she should have gone around to the passenger side, but not gotten in and run for it, zigzagging, like Anon said. Thank goodness it is the night before El Fin. I can't take the sight of Blanca in those flowered skin-tight pants. Fortunately, I'd already had dinner so I could laugh out loud safely.

See you all tomorrow.

P.S. I was kinda disappointed, too, that Rafa didn't make it, but I'm ok with his exiting--just one more charge against Raquel. Too bad you can't be executed several times for each murder you committed.
 

Hahaha, Anita: they kill you, then bring you back so they can kill you again for a different crime! In Raq's case it would take awhile. For me the jury is still out whether the writers will leave her alive to suffer humiliation.
J in O
 

I don't know exactly why, but the best part of tonight's episode for me was when Jorge appeared out of nowhere, while the Valentina/ Adriano/Eduardo/ Cristobal conversation was going on and exclaimed, "I don't know what's going on."

Classic. He's had the same clueless face all throughout this novela.

Blanca was even more dumb to me when she said, "Are Cristobal and Eduardo twins?". Even the fraternal twins I've seen look similar to each other.

It looks like Eduardo is going to get shot. But of course, he will live, and he and Blanca will get married, blah, blah, blah.

Now I just wonder if Raquel ends up dead, in prison, or in the insane asylum. Cause that woman sure has lost it. But she deserves what she gets. Not for all the murders she's committed. But for wasting all this time blabbing away like most egotistical villains do, and not killing Blanca. She's just prolonging the drama so that there will be enough time for Blanca to get rescued.


Just kill her already!!
 

Oh Thelma...I must confess a teeny, tiny part of me wanted Raq to pull the trigger and blow Blanca away. Sigh.

Anyway, all the actors at the Three Brothers Reveal did a great job especially the actor who plays Cristobal. It finally dawns on me that Val's never gonna jump up and do anything heroic in this show. We had about three days, when she escaped Raq's clutches and was staying at Blanca's before getting captured again...I kept hoping she would take part in her own story. But no. More sigh.
J in O
 

Just kill her already!! I concur

Have this feeling of much ado about nothing

I felt sorry for Chris and he took it better than I would have.
Can't believe no one said a word to Sofia and Ed strolled of to rescue a Blanca with child. Sofia welcome to Chris's world.

Raquel - step it up, pull out a rocket launcher or something.

Adriano - you're getting off easy

Jorge - earth to Jorge

Blanca - dammit Raquel I just bought this blouse

Val - gather round kids it's story time

 

Ooookay. So I'm confused. Why in the world did I think Cristobal was the youngest all this time? So Jorge is? By how much? Juan Carlos was his daddy, right?

And jeez, Blanca you're an idiot. Are they twins? Wouldn't they have known all their lives that they are the same age? Oh and that ridiculous question at the end "was it the father of your children who loved you just like you were?"

Was she not listening to Raq at all?

I laughed out loud watching Blanca run in those heels.

Tofie- I was having Feo/Doctora Evil flashbacks.
 

OK I'm stubborn but not stupid so there are two sons, I still think it is cheap story telling but it is what it is.

My Spanish may have deserted me during the big reveal or else there are some big holes (it is a novela after all). So Adriano and Val are in love and she gets pregnant. Meanwhile Raq is obsessing and seething and one night she creeps into Adriano's bed and they do the deed. Adriano is driven out of town when Papi finds out about Val while the poor girl had no chance to tell Adriano about being prgnant. Raq gets away with being pregnant at almost the same time since she is a respectable married woman. Val has Ed and Raq gets Daddy to take the child and give him up since Val is crazy. We know Val is then locked up and drugged for the rest of her life. Meanwhile Raq has poor Chris who is apparently born weak and doesn't have what it takes to be an Altamira like Ed.

My question at this point is when and why did Raq get him back, and palm him off as hers? Earlier on the birth certificates said there was a 10 month age difference, obviously that is not true and it could only have been two or three. How on earth were both little boys raised and never even noticed how close they were in age. I'm assuming (a big no no in Novelaland ) that Raq somehow used adoption of a poor waif as an excuse. The whole thing is a giant black hole.

Ed did appear stunned but like Chris when he got the news barely seemed to react and seconds later is off with his new Dad to rescue dimwit Blanca.

Thought it interesting that once again Sofia wanders into hearing range and must have wondered what the heck was going on and of course no one saw her. Wonder how they are going to explain it all to the poor little thing who has had enough shocks for a lifetime. At least she gets a grandfather and human grandmother out of it.

I'm not blaming Val for not kicking butt and taking names. She showed us she has the spirit to do it from the times she got away until Raq grabbed her and sent her off for another round of drug therapy, then shot her and once safe back in Altamirahell set up more drugging. The doctor did say their might be damage and that she needed to go to the hospital to help her get back her health. If I were her the word hospital and doctors would send me into a screaming fit.

Loved Adriano commenting to Ed that at the New Year's party he had nothing, no family but now he has two sons, a granddaughter and another grand child on the way. Talk about a massive life change.

Blanca continues to act the fool. She sneaks away from Ranting Raq but clomps around in her shoes in a big echoing house. Why didn't she kick off the shoes or better yet run outside, get in the car and drive off? I keep looking at the giant grave and wondering if somehow Raq is going to fall into it and break her neck to end the show rather than getting her just deserts, a trial, a trip to the manicomio or the prison.

Raq has been revealed as an envious, lying, greedy, murderess and last night she added adulteress to the list One can only wonder which of the Seven Deadly Sins she missed.
 

Decie, I haven't seen Raquel wear white before Easter nor eat with her mouth open so she missed a few
 

Haven't finished the comments on last night's action--NOT. Had to get this down before I forget it.

Jorge--Poor lost soul. I truly felt sorry for him. He's the brother left out of the Adriano-Valentina equation. Adriano says he's so proud to have gone from no family to 2 SONS. They SAY that they will always be brothers, but hey, this is a telenovela and who knows what will happen to him after EL FIN.

Oh, and unless someone else had to crack a funny rib over Blanca's grave....when did Raquel know she was going to "get" Blanca and still have time to bring a backhoe to dig that perfectly symmetrical deep-six earthern hole to put "tiny" little Blanca in. It would have made more sense visually, to just take her to the basement of this abandoned hacienda, shot her, and left her there for the rats to chew on. BTW, does Telemundo have rats under contract the way Televisa does? More later. I'm still laughing at Blanca's grave.
 

Decie girl--You got this twisted storyline as straight as it can ever be without unraveling completely. At this juncture I refuse to do any review.

Raq had baby Ed taken from Val and declared her loca. The baby was supposed to be put up for adoption. Pappi went along with it. Where Memo and the priest come in, I missed that. There was too much back and forth between Raq's storytelling and Val's. Somehow, Raq did get ahold of Ed, probably with Memo, the Priest and Melania's help and Pappi went along with it.

I don't think Raquel was married at the time. We don't know exactly how many years separate the two sisters, but I got the idea that Raquel was not much over 20 and Val probably under 20. The flashback of Adriano makes him seem just like a teenager, maybe 18 or 19. Both were "sequestered" at the old hacienda during their pregnancies.

Just how Raquel managed to snare Juan Carlos, Jorge's father, into marrying her with TWO young boys she claimed as hers is another story for another time. Suffice it to say, that is why the letter from Juan Carlos to Raquel about being afraid for him and "HIS HIJO" and he was going to leave her for another woman was important. Obvio he knew the other two boys weren't his.

Things came to a head for Juan Carlos when Raquel saw him with Leticia. I'm thinking that this was the first murder she committed. She moved on and had others do her dirty work. The exceptions were Memo and poor dead Rafa (or am I missing some).



 

great comments all!

I got the idea Raq was married at the time but her husband was too busy boinking Leticia and others to care.

and I was thinking that wasn't a grave but a well or something, interesting that they have returned to the original house, now in disrepair, where it all began, and I'm not Valentina, Blanca keeps saying, (doesn't she still have the key for the handcuffs) and yes Raq, you waited too long, (her logic being that she wants Blanca to suffer, not quick like Rafa), that much exposure to Blanca plays tricks on your mind.

 

Anita

You forgot Ivan who she had rekilled after she both poisoned and shot him, she also personally offed, Val's guard and Tuerto.

The problem with that cut back and forth reveal is that stuff kept getting out of logical sequence. Televisa will explain stuff in nauseatingly slow detail over and over but Telemundo lets the viewer fill in the blanks.

Who knows when that grave was but it is sure to be filled up by someone tonight and I hope it isn't Raq herself since she needs to pay publicly for her crimes.

Those hideous pants — weren't they worn by Katrina earlier? I seem to remember commenting on them and it was about the same time Vl had those hideous jammies. Either way they looked awful on both actresses.

Saw a picture on a latin gossip site of Christian and her hijo. She apparently had her own hair, blonde and really curly. She apparently likes those cold shoulder tops since she was wearing one.
 

deb

I too thought Raq was married at the time. I can't believe there would be two unmarried pregnant girls in such a high profile family without an almighty scandal. Early on Raq told her sons that JC cheated on her. That we know to be true since he left the letter and had planned to leave her and marry Leticia. That of course was his death warrant. It is interesting to me that Raq saw him with Letty and yet she didn't take immediate revenge. She waited a couple of years since she had poor Chris and then hapless Jorge before she put her plan into action. Can't help thinking if she thought Chris was a weakling at birth, after having the real weakling Jorge i'm surprised she didn't have a bucket by the bed to drown him in.

There is a perfect symmetry with the story ending where it all began at the old hacienda. Of course we can probably guess that tonight there will be a time lapse and then all the families together at a fixed up hacienda with Ed and Blanca's baby, Ramon and Catrina probably pregnant, Simona with little Rafa and God only knows what else. LOL
 

well with the time lapse they will have to show Ed bald cause he's gonna be by the time he's 30.

The sense of urgency as he and Adriano went to find Raquel should have had me on the edge of my seat. Instead Dudley Do Right to the rescue. Like Ed already knows Blanca will be fine when he gets there and his clueless optimism knows no bounds. Good thing his mama can get him acting gigs or Sebastian will starve.
 

During the whole long-winded Valentina reveal I was like "um? Guys? Blanca has been kidnapped by a looney. Wanna wrap this up?" LOL.
 

Decie---Raq ordered Tuerto to kill Sophia's first puppy. It was our first signal about her nature. It was easily forgotten because it was the first or maybe second episode.

Sara---I agree with you! The pacing is terrible for the end of this telenovela. I spent the whole episode going are you kidding me? All through this the catch phrase was "open your eyes." Well the boys eyes are open. Everyone knows what Raq is. They know she has Blanca but instead of having that the pressing issue on their minds---they take time to give us the "great reveal" of a mystery a lot of us had already figured out...who was whose Mommy. So anticlimactic for those who had already figured out the two sons.

And all that stuff from Juan Carlos letter about taking his son...which Blanca gave to Ed and he still couldn't accept it? All I can say is God loves every bulb in the pack even the 25 watters.

They have tried to recreate the tension and success of La Patrona but have failed. The only one who pulled it off was Christian Bach. And the writers even made her performance look unreal last night. She might be a psychopath but not crazy enough to slip over to last night's "I'm gonna get you Valentina. I've a dolly by the hair." It cheapened everything she has done to be the villain whose downfall you couldn't wait for.

The other characters lack the any of the charisma, wit, charm and sometime humor, of the characters of La Patrona. What does it say when most of us can't stand Blanca and would welcome her departure from the screen. Yes, it has been bad acting, but it has also been writing that made the characters look like the deserved what they got for shear stupidity. I may be a minority of one but I've felt that about Adriano too. Headstrong, impulsive, and rushes into things. Blanca really should have been his daughter. I could see that.
 

artf, loved your 25 watt bulb analogy and does fit. I too think Adriano a bull in a china shop and bungled more than he ever advanced. I for one don't see why Val would even want or need the guy now and didn't get a warm and fuzzy when they started macking but a Val must really be desperate for a little tongue after 20 years.
 

artf

I hadn't forgotten about the puppy which told us what Raq was but I find it interesting that all three of the boys seemed completely devoted to their mother even as the reveals kept on coming, so she must have done something right, as bizarre as that sounds.

I don't have a problem with Adriano because he managed to make something out of himself instead of sitting around whining about being an orphan and having nothing like Ramon. He would have had to have an impulsive headstrong side to do it.

As much as I liked some of the acting in LP I found it to be one of the most violent novelas i've seen in more than 15 years and a lot of it was extremely graphic. It is amazing how much they managed to cram into a novlea that was barely over 100 episodes.

I'm thinking that the slow down last night was a change of pace from all the action packed episodes throughout most of the novela and is a prelude to a more dramatic ending tonight instead of the usual bland, cliched Televisa wedding and HEA.
 

I agree that Raq was already married to Juan Carlos when she got PG with Chris. She mentioned Juan Carlos finding out who Chris' father was.

Also I think the only sin Raq left off the list was gluttony. Her wardrobe was pretty hideous, all skintight stuff, sometimes I didn't know whether to stare at her clothes or her phoney hair...

J in O, strapped into my beanie-seat.


 

I agree La Patrona was really violent. I may have had a different take on it had I been watching it from the beginning but I started following just before the return. El Senior del los Cielos certainly took me past my comfort level many times.

I think what I appreciated about the portion of La Patrona I saw is I felt the situations were organic to the plot and made sense. It had a sense of reality that this TN lost for me in a number of places big and small.

I often felt these writers were cliched. Tiny example. Ramon could lose one girl he loved and stay sober but give him a second loss and he drowns his sorrow in the bottle. Don't buy it just felt out of character to the Ramon I knew and liked.

El capitan dies with Adriano's son's name just to cross his lips with Adriano standing over him. If he were dead or unconscious when Adriano entered the room that would have felt like the writer was telling a story not trying to manipulate emotions and go for the most dramatic effect.

Others may feel very differently but even in fantasy I want things to feel like there is a sense of reality to them.

They may have tried to slow the pace to pick up the ending. I hope so. I just would have placed that whole scene before Raq took Blanca thing.

It may suit the character's personality, but it drove me crazy that paternity issues could take their mind of Blanca's situation even if she got herself into it. Ah well.

None of it matters. Tonight Raq get's hers and seeing that is what has kept me watching. I was delighted with the ending of La Patrona. The punishment surprised me. I wouldn't have dreamed that up. I'd love it if these writers not only made the punishment fit the crime but also did something totally unexpected. I could get into Raq's being so upset she tried to do herself in but failing and closing with a scene of her being prepped for her shock treatment. She can be in a decent facility and please leave the slob doctor off her. You've been there and done that once too many already.
 

P.S. Decie I see I totally misread your comment about the puppy. Sorry about that.
 

So who gave the best final drowned portrait: Teresa Christa (marido en alquilar) or Raquell?

I kind of like Chris and Simona.


 

I liked Chris and Simona too....but it seemed way out of left field for me. I must have missed something when I wasn't watching.
 

Sara, whatever happened to the old wealthy guy with the goatee ?

Did Raquel kill him too ?
 

What a way for Raquel to die.
 

Oh wow, I never saw that coming. Nobody killed Raq...it was a shipping mishap. :o) Very suitable I thought.

I couldn't recognize half the people in the finale party because they all had makeovers. Melania looked pretty good! So did Tita. Can't believe Simona wasn't PG but that was sort of a cheap solution--to have her paired up with Chris...

Somebody ought to do a career intervention and steer that Hugo actor to go into accounting or pharmacy.

I never felt the chemistry between Ivan and Raq. He seemed all wrong for her plus way too young. Oh well.

One thing, when Mariana was dying, everyone talked about her looking down on Sofia 'from heaven'. So...guess contract killers get to go to heaven? But not Raq, right? Please tell me Raq's not going to heaven...
J in O
 

I am beyond pithed. My local station cut into the show twice with reports of a storm heading to the state and of course they never did it during the commercials. It broke the whole mood for me however I did see the things that mattered.

Bad way for Raq to go. I had figured when she got into the container she would be in it for a long time and slowly starve to death before her body was found when it was opened. Drowning not a good way to go. Raq really did have to die because her being alive be it in a manicomio or prison would always leave the threat of her escaping and ruining everyone's happiness.

So those smart little boys had made a copy of the infamous chip. Loved the interaction between Sofia and Hugo arguing over who was more important for the coming baby, a brother or an aunt.

For once Katrina was not dressed like the port slut and cleaned up nicely.

Surprise about Simona not having a little Rafa for Tita but she is still very young. I think the Chris Simona thing was instigated by her at the New Year's kiss but he looked both surprised and not unwilling. I had kind of wondered if they might go that way since there was somebody for everybody else.

I liked that the story ended where it began, in the same place and on New Year's Eve.

I'm going to miss the people as crazy as they were and might drop in and out of Pobres as not much has changed since I used to watch it. I think I'll probably wait until the new Jorge Salinas novela begins which seems to be a comedy about a widower with 7 kids whose nanny is an exotic dancer by night. My only problem with it, is that it is a Juan Osorio production.
 

J

In her last vision of Ivan, he told Raq he would be waiting for her in hell.

No matter what everybody told Sofia about her mother watching he feom heaven i'm pretty sure she is waiting with Ivan for Raq to appear.
 

Decie: okay that's a finale wrap-up I would like to see: all the dead bad guys grumbling and discussing each other's shortcomings from "mas alla".
:o)
So what is this new novela with Jorge Salinas? Is it on Telemundo?
I can't do Reina de Corazones because I just can't watch Eugenio Siller.
J in O
 

Anon, how big was the Body Count on this TN ?

Did Don Leonidas on the list too ?
 

Is someone doing a list? don't forget the nurse at the hospital taking care of Memo, and Fernanda.

Ooh, that ending reminded me of Fuego en la Sangre when the villainess got buried alive...
J in O
 

I'll take shot

A nurse
Memo
the Padre
The cop *faux Blanca)
Leonidas,
The guy in the prison Mariana stabbed
Socorro
Rafa
Val's guard
The diplomat
Another cop
Mariana
Tuerto
Fernanda
Ivan
Sal
Raquel
One small puppy

Did i forget aqnyone?
 

J

The new Salinas novela is Mi Corazon Es Tuyo which should start on July 21 replacing one hour of DQTQTQ. I'm a bit leery because it is Televisa which means long and also Osorio whose novelas are sometimes vulgar. Univision has been switiching things around and rescheduling things which always concerns me about the quality. However Univision is for sale and that might be driving what they are doing.

And like you can't cope with Eugene Stiller although watching Juan Solar as an antagonist might be interesting, however all those previews did nothing to make me want to watch Reina.
 

I'm going to be the Reina heretic. I watched the first episode on the TelmundoNOW app and I want to keep watching.

Eugenio Siller is indeed shallow and seems to be acting the same way he did in Al Diablo con Los Guapos, but Juan Soler is going to be a chilling villain. I loved Catherine Siachoque's character. I can tell Telemundo is going to try to get away with as much sexy as they can for that time slot.

It was a nice combination of light moments and not-over-the-top melodrama and tsuris. The production value looked really, really good. Yes, there will be some beanie adjustment, but I'm in for this one because:

1. Telemundo will not torture me for 150+ episodes and 2 hour marathons for more than a month

2. Telemundo will stick to a schedule.

3. Telemundo will not hack the show to bits.

And more heresy: I'm not a Silvia Navarro fan LOL.
 

PS and Geraldine Galvan is in it and I loved her in Mentir Para Vivir. :-)

 

Thanks for the feedback Decie and Sara.
Right now I'm leaning towards whatever's on Univision which is dangerous, It is not on my cable lineup but currently I'm getting it...so it could disappear on me at any moment.
I am also interested in La Gata which is due to start later this summer on Uni I think.

J in O

 

Oh J in O! I'm so happy to hear you might want to see La Gata. When it was being promoed there didn't seem to be much Caray interest. It will probably be a hot mess, but I can't resist Maite or Laura Zapata.
 

My first Telemundo and it ended with a happily ever after dammit. I did like the way Raquel went out, locked in a shipping container, dumped overboard and slowly sinking to the bottom. I wondered how long she'd last with just a blanket and flashlight. Could at least given her a can of beanie wienies.

Adriano was his usual self and held up three cops trying to get in the house, allowing Raquel to get away.

Sad the bullet that hit Ed didn't hit it's intended target but he did point out that Raquel was the real impostor.

Val looked pretty, shocked by Melania and begrudgingly give props to Karina, she looked great. Cat didn't even look the same so they missed that one.

I don't like Chris and Simona together and looks like Chris again won't be anyone parents favorite, ever.

I do like it ending as it began on New Years.

Sofia is worrying about the wrong thing. She won't be competing with Hugo for the new child's favor but with her half brother for any attention at all. I believe Ed will dote on the child because it is Blanca's and Blanca ain't mother of the year material.


 

I was OK with the HEA ending and I definitely thought the "full circle one year later" ending was neat.

Not sure how I feel about Melania getting off scott free.
 

Raquel killed her own father?

Why ?
 

CD. Leo was going to point the finger at Raquel for drugging Val 20 years prior instead of accepting the total blame himself (and why he was in jail). The hit was actually intended for Adriano, Leo intervened and the prison thug stabbed him.
 

I was satisfied with the one scene confrontation Edwardo made of the prison guard. It brought some closure to that.

I would have liked an arrest scene or some indication of punishment for the slob psychiatrist and the bully nurse.

I'd have been more satisfied with this ending if I hadn't just seen Marido en Alquilar. This is the second TN I've scene were the resolution was to drown the female villain as she escapes. And the shot of the open eyed corpse under water was virtually identical.

Christian Bach is a wonderful actress when playing a straight psychopath. I thought the writers cheapened her performance when they started slipping in indications of insanity. They are not the same disease. I couldn't buy into it.


 

Oddly, I was disturbed that Raq climbed into that shipping container having made no arrangements to get her out of there. The henchman said the first stop for the ship would be in 16 hours. She just says Okay and walks in. There should have been a plan! That was out of character.
Now I'm grasping at straws and it's a small gripe but aren't we all entitled to our gripes after the finale?
:o)
J in O
 

I found it odd that Raquel just walked in with a blankie and a night light but no food or water. I know it wasn't supposed to be that long that she was in there, but like you said J in O there didn't seem to he a true plan.
 

I thought when she called the henchman that she would have arranged for some furniture, some food and god know a bucket for human waste but a blankie and flashlight? I also wonder what would have happened when the container was opened wherever it would be that she would just casually stroll out with no purse and no money. The only thing I can think is she had no plan because at that point she was stark raving nuts.
 

Probably too late to comment here. Issues would not permit. I too loved that the story went full circle from one New Years to the next one. Rather a nice touch. This would have been a great novel to start on New Years.

I thought Raq. got off to easy. She killed a lot of people. There should have been more suffering. She could have almost made it to the destination and then either drowned or captured, would have been cool to be humiliated by dragon nurse.

I feel cheated that there was all this todo about phone recordings and in the end they meant nothing. There was the one Tuerto made, the one Liessette made, the one Hugo made. Writers could have at least had someone find the phone Mariana thew away with all the information on it, turn it in to the police and from there a connection made. Guess I wasn't a writer as that didn't happen.

Raq's plan was last minute. No time for planning.

In the end I did not recognize but a few. Everyone looked so different.

I would like to watch another novel. I have watched so few. Betty La Fea and Theresa. No body count to speak of in those. Does anyone have any recommendations on finding a new one kind of like those? One or two bodies is OK but this one was like a war hit...body after body and the police haven't got a clue. (except for Raf's)

I have enjoyed being on this thread and everyone's comments.

April
 

When I start thinking about it, they really forgot about a lot of things. And I didn't even watch the whole thing! You brought up some good ones too April.

I wish I could give you some suggestions for TNs. I haven't watched many either. Where do you watch most of yours?
 

I just remembered that Uni is supposed to be rerunning Por Ella Soy Eva in the midnight slot. I think it starts July 14th. I don't know much about it, but Jaime Camil is in it and it's a comedy so I think the body count is low.
 

I saw the DVD of Por Ella soy Eva and it was fun. Although they chop things up so much to condense them to 4 DVDs you lose a lot.

I'm glad it is coming back. I liked Jaime Camil in it better than Tan richos tan pobres. In Tan pobres I found his slapstick annoying.


 

Thank you for the suggestion. I will have to DVR it as midnight is way too late but I am pretty sure there is a channel here that will carry it.. I live in Florida so have access to a lot of the Spanish Channels. It sounds like fun. I comedy would be in order after La Impostora.
 

Of course, Mi Corazon El Tuyo starts on Univision July 21st.

It's also a comedy.
 

Just to set the record straight Hugo did tell the cops about Raq confessing on the phone and when Jorge and Katrina brought him to the station h gave the cop a copy of the chip his little friend hd made. That was Tuerto's original tape so the cops did get it and finally had proof of all the horrible things Raq was guilty of and that and only that sent them off to arrest her. So they really didn't leave a lot of stuff hanging.
 

I still wish Raq had really faced the music. I mean, she did...but a scandalous public trial might have been cool, too.
 

Thanks Decie,

I missed that too. If that was in the final episode it probably happened when our station twice interrupted the grand finale to give us this long rambling notice about the storm. grrr. I know now I need to watch it on Xfinity.

Yeah...I too would have liked to see Raq sitting in a courtroom as they ticked away her murders. Ah well.

Just realized a bit ago that I don't have an 8pm date with the TV. Not interested in Reina. I'm ready for something lighter.
 

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I'm taking a break until Televisa's new Jorge Salnias comedy depending on the time. If it is at 6 all bets are off even the 7 shows are sometimes bad for me. Here in AZ we start are novelas early.
 

Decie-The new Salinas one is at 8EST/7CST. It's taking over the second hour of DQTQTQ.
 

I'm definitely going for the Jorge Salinas one. Also waiting for La Gata to start in September. Hopefully Comcast won't pull Univision off my lineup again. 'Cause I really can't watch Eugenio Siller...I'd rather watch nothing for an hour. :o)
J in Oregon
 

I want to see La Gata, too. I hope Caray decides to cover it. There didn't seem to be much chatter about it when they were promoing it. I know I want to see it.
 

One thing I liked about this Telemundo offshoot of Caray!Caray! is that the comments-only format really was nice. Though nobody was recappy, there was plenty of input and, when I was gone for two weeks, folks jumped in to bring me up to speed. It was quicker to read through and still fun and informative. Enjoyed y'all very much!
J in Oregon

 

*Of course in the above comment I meant to say "though nobody was RECAPPING"...
J in Oregon
 

I think La Gata isn't getting much love because it looks like another CI. Dirt poor, savage girl and rich pampered boy.
 

I don't mind a clichéd storyline. What I fear most is the producer (Natalie Latoodle-oo aka Mrs Mejia) and the fact that when/if LA Gata airs we will be three months behind Mexico. That makes La Gata perfect for editing if the ratings are low. I still want to see it, though.
 

From my standpoint not only is it Mejia lite it also has Perroni who is a terrible, mannered actress. The fact that its start date has been moved makes me wonder why. The theory was so that the World Cup didn't cut into the start but I wonder. I'm always surprised that when a novela is doing poorly in Mexico the assumption is that will hold true for us, sometimes that's true but not always. Either way we pay for what the rating are in Mexico is they love it we may get saddled with an extension on something that isn't doing well here and if it heads south down there while we may be enjoying it we get the chopped up mess.
 

And some things we don't get to see at all! I'm still wishing they had shown QA and El Color de Pasión.

Maite is terrible, but there is something about her that compels me to watch.
 

hey from were i am am still watching.just wanted to find out did ed die?