Tuesday, February 10, 2015
La Gata #115 2/10/15 La Manipulación
This is your mother-in-law.
This is your mother-in-law on drugs (steroids to be precise.)
I started taking notes and then I was drawn into this...
...incredible (as in beyond belief) turn of events. It was like a train wreck and I couldn't stop watching. So I gave up notes after a while. Pabs and Esme fight for pretty much the whole episode with short interruptions for commercials and our other story lines. I'm not sure how to cover this. I definitely didn't take notes because this was the part that just left me gobsmacked. There's some condensing and combining for sure.
I know it was in the Refrito, but Meche says something to Dam about lying to Vicky. So he must have something up his sleeve, but poor Vicky thinks she's just been demoted to second fiddle. Not cool, Dam.
Pablo gives Esme the news that they will leave the mansion, but without Pablito. The little boy is the only consolation Lo has. Let me quote my notes here " 'Lo único consuelo que tiene' my ass." He didn't ask. He didn't try to soften the blow. He just dropped it like a bomb. What an idiot. I hated him before because he was stupid. Now I hate him because he is such a self-centered mama's boy. Did Lo drop him on his head when he was a baby?
Vicky is home and Gi is not happy to see her. The feeling is mutual. So they snipe and Gi makes a quip to which Vicky responds something about friends and then has a flashback to 5 minutes ago. She reminds herself that she and Dam are just friends...but it hurts so much!
So. Pablo and Esme argue. Lo listens at the door and wonders who will get their way--La Gata or her. La Gata swears that no one will separate her from her children. They will have to kill her first. Pabs spends the whole episode trying to explain to Esme that his mom is soooo sick and Pablito is the only thing she has and can't they just move and let the little boy stay with the she-devil? They can rent a house and be nearby! Esme can visit every day! Just let Pabs have some peace! (Shins, buddy.)
Garabato is in charge of Virginia 2.0 and Carlos Horacio. Carrrlos is busy teaching his advanced Braille class. Carlos Horacio wants to go the Ciudad Encontrado and talk to the nice but badly spray tanned lady that hangs around and begs there. When asked why, Carlos Horacio explains he feels there is something special under all that dirt. He's sure there's a pretty lady under there. He and Virginia beg. Garabato gives in.
Pablito refuses to eat until Uncle Mariano comes home. Dorila reports this to Lo and tells the old bat that she is the only one that will be able to get Pablito to eat. Lo goes downstairs and tries to sweet talk him into eating, but he still refuses. Esme interrupts and tells Lo that if the boy doesn't want to eat, he doesn't have to. More yelling. Esme and Lo literally play tug of war with the boy. Esme takes Pablito up to her bedroom.
While there, both Leti and Pablito tell Esme how miserable they are and they want to live in peace.
Down in the dining room Lo and Pablo talk about how awful things are getting. Lo faints. Doctor Edgar HatBro MD is called. He tends to Lo and then reports to Pablo. Lo's health is bad. She's dying. He will try to save her, but it really is best that Esme leave Mexico. Pablo wants to talk to his mother.
Monica has a tête-à-tête with Rogelio (though it is in a public place...) Monica been talking him up to Esme and telling her how much he wants to meet her. Esme agreed to coffee. Monica explains that Lo is doing her part to draw a wedge between Esme and Pablo. Once a woman has marriage troubles, she goes looking to another man to escape and Rogelio will be right there waiting. Rogelio begs Monica to hurry up and arrange the coffee date.
Esme gets the children settled and sleeping and calls Blanca and tells her things are as bad as ever. Blanca thinks Pablo should grow some c*jones and stand up to his mother. Pablo can't make up his mind and never has been able to. That's a problem. Esme knows Lo has always hated her and Esme just knows that Lo is faking it to manipulate Pablo. Pablo doesn't seem to see it or believe Esem. Blanca assures Esme that they (Blanca and Fer) believe her.
Garabato and the children return from their outing. Carlos Horacio complains that his father couldn't find la Ciudad Encontrado. Jeez dad! You lived there! How could you forget? Carlos Horacio is not convinced. The kids are sent up stairs and the actor I will forever call Hots-car comes downstairs (Garabato called him Billy.) Garabato is afraid that if Ines finds out Carlos Horacio is her son, she will take him from Garabato. Billy Hot-scar says there is no judge that will give custody to Ines. Billy Hots-car asks if Garabato still has feelings for Ines. Garabato admits he does, but it's too late.
Lo wants to die. Boo hoo. Pablo asks her not to talk like that. Lo laments that Esme's will was stronger than hers. Pablo swears he will talk to Esme right now. And he does. And he says his mother's health is above all. I mean, how do you even snark such absurdities?? YOUR MOTHER TRIED TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN YOU IDIOT. I'm just slack jawed and dumbfounded again. I just can't even.
Fer wants to go confront Lo. Blanca thinks that it isn't a good idea.
Pablo tells Esme they will have to separate if she can't learn to get along with his mother. Just then Fer arrives and wants to talk to Pablo.
Ines and Rey have a fight. She kicks him out. She swears to look for her hijo.
Fer tells Pablo he's a coward. Fer wants to know if Pabs plans to separate from Esme. Meanwhile Esme is in her bedroom whining about being away from Pablo. She'll just die without him. Then she seems to get a grip and decides she will fight. She is... LA GATA. She will always be...LA GATA. More like Garfield(™.) Except he's smart.
Gi is not happy to see Dr Edgar HatBro MD. She's bored. He tells her she won't be bored when they leave this fabulous ring in the perfect place to make Pablo jealous of the man who's always loved Esme. Is this plan B, because I'm pretty sure not 10 minutes ago Pablo told Esme thy need to separate.
The Ghost of Crapness Past (Augie) taunts Lo. At this point I'm paying even less attention than usual, but I'm snapped out of my reverie by a Lo bleat-shrieking NUNCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! (Which I will be saying Friday night. No voy a recappear una novela de esa maldita Latoodla NUNCAAAAAAAA!!!)
Previous: Episode 114
Next: Episode 116
This is your mother-in-law on drugs (steroids to be precise.)
I started taking notes and then I was drawn into this...
...incredible (as in beyond belief) turn of events. It was like a train wreck and I couldn't stop watching. So I gave up notes after a while. Pabs and Esme fight for pretty much the whole episode with short interruptions for commercials and our other story lines. I'm not sure how to cover this. I definitely didn't take notes because this was the part that just left me gobsmacked. There's some condensing and combining for sure.
I know it was in the Refrito, but Meche says something to Dam about lying to Vicky. So he must have something up his sleeve, but poor Vicky thinks she's just been demoted to second fiddle. Not cool, Dam.
Pablo gives Esme the news that they will leave the mansion, but without Pablito. The little boy is the only consolation Lo has. Let me quote my notes here " 'Lo único consuelo que tiene' my ass." He didn't ask. He didn't try to soften the blow. He just dropped it like a bomb. What an idiot. I hated him before because he was stupid. Now I hate him because he is such a self-centered mama's boy. Did Lo drop him on his head when he was a baby?
Vicky is home and Gi is not happy to see her. The feeling is mutual. So they snipe and Gi makes a quip to which Vicky responds something about friends and then has a flashback to 5 minutes ago. She reminds herself that she and Dam are just friends...but it hurts so much!
So. Pablo and Esme argue. Lo listens at the door and wonders who will get their way--La Gata or her. La Gata swears that no one will separate her from her children. They will have to kill her first. Pabs spends the whole episode trying to explain to Esme that his mom is soooo sick and Pablito is the only thing she has and can't they just move and let the little boy stay with the she-devil? They can rent a house and be nearby! Esme can visit every day! Just let Pabs have some peace! (Shins, buddy.)
Garabato is in charge of Virginia 2.0 and Carlos Horacio. Carrrlos is busy teaching his advanced Braille class. Carlos Horacio wants to go the Ciudad Encontrado and talk to the nice but badly spray tanned lady that hangs around and begs there. When asked why, Carlos Horacio explains he feels there is something special under all that dirt. He's sure there's a pretty lady under there. He and Virginia beg. Garabato gives in.
Pablito refuses to eat until Uncle Mariano comes home. Dorila reports this to Lo and tells the old bat that she is the only one that will be able to get Pablito to eat. Lo goes downstairs and tries to sweet talk him into eating, but he still refuses. Esme interrupts and tells Lo that if the boy doesn't want to eat, he doesn't have to. More yelling. Esme and Lo literally play tug of war with the boy. Esme takes Pablito up to her bedroom.
While there, both Leti and Pablito tell Esme how miserable they are and they want to live in peace.
Down in the dining room Lo and Pablo talk about how awful things are getting. Lo faints. Doctor Edgar HatBro MD is called. He tends to Lo and then reports to Pablo. Lo's health is bad. She's dying. He will try to save her, but it really is best that Esme leave Mexico. Pablo wants to talk to his mother.
Monica has a tête-à-tête with Rogelio (though it is in a public place...) Monica been talking him up to Esme and telling her how much he wants to meet her. Esme agreed to coffee. Monica explains that Lo is doing her part to draw a wedge between Esme and Pablo. Once a woman has marriage troubles, she goes looking to another man to escape and Rogelio will be right there waiting. Rogelio begs Monica to hurry up and arrange the coffee date.
Esme gets the children settled and sleeping and calls Blanca and tells her things are as bad as ever. Blanca thinks Pablo should grow some c*jones and stand up to his mother. Pablo can't make up his mind and never has been able to. That's a problem. Esme knows Lo has always hated her and Esme just knows that Lo is faking it to manipulate Pablo. Pablo doesn't seem to see it or believe Esem. Blanca assures Esme that they (Blanca and Fer) believe her.
Garabato and the children return from their outing. Carlos Horacio complains that his father couldn't find la Ciudad Encontrado. Jeez dad! You lived there! How could you forget? Carlos Horacio is not convinced. The kids are sent up stairs and the actor I will forever call Hots-car comes downstairs (Garabato called him Billy.) Garabato is afraid that if Ines finds out Carlos Horacio is her son, she will take him from Garabato. Billy Hot-scar says there is no judge that will give custody to Ines. Billy Hots-car asks if Garabato still has feelings for Ines. Garabato admits he does, but it's too late.
Lo wants to die. Boo hoo. Pablo asks her not to talk like that. Lo laments that Esme's will was stronger than hers. Pablo swears he will talk to Esme right now. And he does. And he says his mother's health is above all. I mean, how do you even snark such absurdities?? YOUR MOTHER TRIED TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN YOU IDIOT. I'm just slack jawed and dumbfounded again. I just can't even.
Fer wants to go confront Lo. Blanca thinks that it isn't a good idea.
Pablo tells Esme they will have to separate if she can't learn to get along with his mother. Just then Fer arrives and wants to talk to Pablo.
Ines and Rey have a fight. She kicks him out. She swears to look for her hijo.
Fer tells Pablo he's a coward. Fer wants to know if Pabs plans to separate from Esme. Meanwhile Esme is in her bedroom whining about being away from Pablo. She'll just die without him. Then she seems to get a grip and decides she will fight. She is... LA GATA. She will always be...LA GATA. More like Garfield(™.) Except he's smart.
Gi is not happy to see Dr Edgar HatBro MD. She's bored. He tells her she won't be bored when they leave this fabulous ring in the perfect place to make Pablo jealous of the man who's always loved Esme. Is this plan B, because I'm pretty sure not 10 minutes ago Pablo told Esme thy need to separate.
The Ghost of Crapness Past (Augie) taunts Lo. At this point I'm paying even less attention than usual, but I'm snapped out of my reverie by a Lo bleat-shrieking NUNCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! (Which I will be saying Friday night. No voy a recappear una novela de esa maldita Latoodla NUNCAAAAAAAA!!!)
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Sara, you and the other recappers are saints in my book!
Only thing remotely enjoyable was watching Augie torment Lo. I changed the channel for most of it.
Love the Garfield comment! Dead on!!
Only thing remotely enjoyable was watching Augie torment Lo. I changed the channel for most of it.
Love the Garfield comment! Dead on!!
Isn't it?? She's been running around for at least 100 episodes saying "Yo soy (dramatic pause) LA GATA." And then it's like she curls up in her bed and sleeps.
Thanks so much Sara.
Pablo and Esme. Yawwwwwwn.
Pablito. Did he actually tell Esme her Mama Lorenza could die because of her? Brat.
Willy. Why is he living with Garabato and Carlos. How big is that apartment anyway????
Edgar. Dude needs a new wardrobe. I'm sick and tired of the shirt and vest combos. I could never take a doctor seriously if he dressed like him.
3 more eps to go.
Pablo and Esme. Yawwwwwwn.
Pablito. Did he actually tell Esme her Mama Lorenza could die because of her? Brat.
Willy. Why is he living with Garabato and Carlos. How big is that apartment anyway????
Edgar. Dude needs a new wardrobe. I'm sick and tired of the shirt and vest combos. I could never take a doctor seriously if he dressed like him.
3 more eps to go.
Ay, Sara, you and me both. NUNCA! Gracias for the recap and covering every single thing that just doesn't add up. Or divide evenly. Or multiplies my confusion. Or subtracts any joy at getting to the Fin. I have no idea why I'm going all math-y all of a sudden. It's the show. It messes with my head. [redacted]ing [redacted] this [redacted]ing show!
Maite has fabulous posture when she's sitting on that couch pretending to give a rat's ass about anything Dan has to say. That's probably the only positive thing I have to say. And her outfits look great. And her hair is fabulous.
Maybe Augie somehow scored Purgatory and is working his way out by trying to convince Lo to give up the evilcrazy?
Mr. 5ft understood Pablo when he said Lo's heart was bad, so he asked why they would leave a child in her care. You know, since she's "dying" and all. If she could just go ahead and actually die during one of her fake episodes, that'd be greeeeeeat. Do not invoke Death, Lo, or he might give you what you've been asking for!
My mean-spirited thought about Pablo treating his son like some kind of security blanket for his mother is that this is the price Esme's paying for all that "They're MY kids!" crap that she pulled for so many years. I feel horrible even saying that. But it's consistent--he still kept referring to Pablito as "her" son and never once addressed how HE would feel about being away from his son. And why should he care? He spent so much time being separated from them and having no say in where they were going to live. Why should now be any different?
I'll probably have some more horrible things to say later. I need to digest this a bit. Maybe have some Alka-Seltzer. Or booze. Geez, tomorrow's recap is going to suck. Sorry, y'all. Like Sara said, "How do you even snark such absurdities?"
Maite has fabulous posture when she's sitting on that couch pretending to give a rat's ass about anything Dan has to say. That's probably the only positive thing I have to say. And her outfits look great. And her hair is fabulous.
Maybe Augie somehow scored Purgatory and is working his way out by trying to convince Lo to give up the evilcrazy?
Mr. 5ft understood Pablo when he said Lo's heart was bad, so he asked why they would leave a child in her care. You know, since she's "dying" and all. If she could just go ahead and actually die during one of her fake episodes, that'd be greeeeeeat. Do not invoke Death, Lo, or he might give you what you've been asking for!
My mean-spirited thought about Pablo treating his son like some kind of security blanket for his mother is that this is the price Esme's paying for all that "They're MY kids!" crap that she pulled for so many years. I feel horrible even saying that. But it's consistent--he still kept referring to Pablito as "her" son and never once addressed how HE would feel about being away from his son. And why should he care? He spent so much time being separated from them and having no say in where they were going to live. Why should now be any different?
I'll probably have some more horrible things to say later. I need to digest this a bit. Maybe have some Alka-Seltzer. Or booze. Geez, tomorrow's recap is going to suck. Sorry, y'all. Like Sara said, "How do you even snark such absurdities?"
Wow! I saw some of the episode tonight and just could not believe my eyes and ears. Thank you Eli and Sara. I have no words...
Are they still combining episodes,or are these episodes as originally shown? It all just seemed so sloppy and confusing. Or maybe I'm just confused? Am I turning into Pablo?
Are they still combining episodes,or are these episodes as originally shown? It all just seemed so sloppy and confusing. Or maybe I'm just confused? Am I turning into Pablo?
They've stopped combining. We are back to full eps.
The two part finale will most likely be combined into one on Friday.
The two part finale will most likely be combined into one on Friday.
Just arrived in Arizona tonight. Want to thank both Eli and Sara for bringing me up to date on this..........hhmmmm, mess. Missed the last couple of days.
Who ever does the recap tomorrow. I think SOSDD should cover it. Same Old Shit, Different Day.
I will try to find La Gata tomorrow night. Thanks Diva for letting me know what time to tune in. Good luck on your audition.
Who ever does the recap tomorrow. I think SOSDD should cover it. Same Old Shit, Different Day.
I will try to find La Gata tomorrow night. Thanks Diva for letting me know what time to tune in. Good luck on your audition.
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: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:18:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:18:00 PM EST
Gracias, emeraldrose. I think the audition went well. As for tomorrow's recap...I foretell another boatload of crap.
Looks like you're going to be treated to some of our lovely "completely makes you forget about the hellish summer" weather. Enjoy!
Looks like you're going to be treated to some of our lovely "completely makes you forget about the hellish summer" weather. Enjoy!
Vicky (Emma Escalante) played Gema the maid in Por Siempre Mi Amor.
That's why she looks so familiar.
That's why she looks so familiar.
Ay Sara, poor you, but thanks anyway. Why we're almost at the finish line and they still create another intrigue such as the coffee date with an ugly guy.
Boy but the conversation between Pablo and LO brought tears in my eyes because I heard the same thing between my husband and my now deceased mom in law. This was years ago when we just had our first born, a girl and we were living with my parents in law due to my husband was taking care of them. I experienced the same suffering and there were no love between the two women in that house so I wanted out. But my husband stood firmly and told my mom in law that anyway we will live nearby and she can just go visit. But Pablo is dumb, blind a**^^^^!He is not like my husband who chose us. In fairness to my mom-in law, she did loved my two daughters. Enough of my personal drama. You can ff if you want.
anyways, No, I don't want LO to die that easy, I want her to be thrown out of that house, (there's no more garbage dump, I think ,so how about the ravine and let her taste what she is loathing so much, to be a poor dirty beggar and oh better yet be thrown into jail first and then once she is released suffer that fate of being a trash and being a beggar. Anne
Boy but the conversation between Pablo and LO brought tears in my eyes because I heard the same thing between my husband and my now deceased mom in law. This was years ago when we just had our first born, a girl and we were living with my parents in law due to my husband was taking care of them. I experienced the same suffering and there were no love between the two women in that house so I wanted out. But my husband stood firmly and told my mom in law that anyway we will live nearby and she can just go visit. But Pablo is dumb, blind a**^^^^!He is not like my husband who chose us. In fairness to my mom-in law, she did loved my two daughters. Enough of my personal drama. You can ff if you want.
anyways, No, I don't want LO to die that easy, I want her to be thrown out of that house, (there's no more garbage dump, I think ,so how about the ravine and let her taste what she is loathing so much, to be a poor dirty beggar and oh better yet be thrown into jail first and then once she is released suffer that fate of being a trash and being a beggar. Anne
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:49:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:49:00 AM EST
Thanks everyone! One more to go and I am DONE!
Anon3:49- thank you for sharing. As I watched last night I just kept thinking "what man would gladly leave one of his children behind." Like you said, only a dumb and blind one.
Anon3:49- thank you for sharing. As I watched last night I just kept thinking "what man would gladly leave one of his children behind." Like you said, only a dumb and blind one.
Thank you Sara, missed it in loo of a cocktail party but you still took the bullet knowing it coming.
CS, thanks, been trying to place Vicky. Yes, Gema, Isabels maid.
Name one reason, Pablo should not get an anvil? Yes, Lo's bad but even if she is gone, Pablo will still be Pablo. The best thing Fernando could do for all involved is put a bullet in the back of his head. Problem solved.
He didn't save her from the dump, she shouldn't have been there and Fernando would have found her anyway.
He hasn't supported his wife and kids financially and the first time he tried to feed Esmeralda his mama ran her out after one bite.
He's done nothing with his life but mooch. Painted a few cat pictures, a book and movie but flat broke, living with mother and going to movies with Monica.
He is not involved in raising his kids and first refused to recognize them as his and now placed them in harms way.
He provides no moral or emotional support to his wife or children. Quite the contrary, his selfishness prompts him to create dramatic episodes that give the appearance he may leave just so Esmeralda will cling.
CS, thanks, been trying to place Vicky. Yes, Gema, Isabels maid.
Name one reason, Pablo should not get an anvil? Yes, Lo's bad but even if she is gone, Pablo will still be Pablo. The best thing Fernando could do for all involved is put a bullet in the back of his head. Problem solved.
He didn't save her from the dump, she shouldn't have been there and Fernando would have found her anyway.
He hasn't supported his wife and kids financially and the first time he tried to feed Esmeralda his mama ran her out after one bite.
He's done nothing with his life but mooch. Painted a few cat pictures, a book and movie but flat broke, living with mother and going to movies with Monica.
He is not involved in raising his kids and first refused to recognize them as his and now placed them in harms way.
He provides no moral or emotional support to his wife or children. Quite the contrary, his selfishness prompts him to create dramatic episodes that give the appearance he may leave just so Esmeralda will cling.
Yep, what kind of scumbag, offers his child as sacrifice, so he can lope along a little longer in one of his daydreams.
Hi, Sara. Boy, I just don't know what to say about what happened last night! Pablo, the guy sitting in the corner with a dunce hat on, is willing to give up his son as a sop to his conniving mother? Where does Latrilleix get this stuff? Is she sleeping with a real life HatBro and taking mind altering drugs on the side?
I think Pablo was castrated shortly after he impregnated Esme, because they haven't had any more children, and he clearly has no balls.
I don't understand Lorenza's fixation with keeping Pablito and separating him from his parents. Truth be told, I don't understand any of this.
Sara, you do indeed deserve a sticker for not using any obscenities! I am amazed that you could write this and not use any. I can't think of a crude phrase that is low enough to do justice to this situation.
Didn't Lo make some disparaging remarks about Esme's education level some time previously? That really pisses me off. I know a lot of people who have advanced degrees who are total dumbasses, and, on the other hand, my grandfather and my father-in-law both quit school after the 7th grade, and were two of the most intelligent men I have ever met.
Thank you Sara. I don't know how you keep on making delicious chicken soup with the raw material you have to work with.
David
I think Pablo was castrated shortly after he impregnated Esme, because they haven't had any more children, and he clearly has no balls.
I don't understand Lorenza's fixation with keeping Pablito and separating him from his parents. Truth be told, I don't understand any of this.
Sara, you do indeed deserve a sticker for not using any obscenities! I am amazed that you could write this and not use any. I can't think of a crude phrase that is low enough to do justice to this situation.
Didn't Lo make some disparaging remarks about Esme's education level some time previously? That really pisses me off. I know a lot of people who have advanced degrees who are total dumbasses, and, on the other hand, my grandfather and my father-in-law both quit school after the 7th grade, and were two of the most intelligent men I have ever met.
Thank you Sara. I don't know how you keep on making delicious chicken soup with the raw material you have to work with.
David
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 8:28:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 8:28:00 AM EST
Anne, I love how they've made it seem like this was the one-and-only dump in all of the DF, so now that it's gone, I guess all the garbage magically disappears? Ines still has a shack out there that they've only shown the interior of, so maybe Lo can move in there.
tofie, I'm good with an anvil for Pablo. He's said and done some really stupid things and basically, all of them have caused harm to someone--most lately his kids.
David, she's heaped enough insults on Esme, I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of them, but alas...I didn't keep track! Nor did I keep track of all the insulting synonyms for "poor" that Lo used throughout the show. I'd like some statistics to back up that I've never heard so many all in one show before. Great education for all the kids watching during "family" time.
tofie, I'm good with an anvil for Pablo. He's said and done some really stupid things and basically, all of them have caused harm to someone--most lately his kids.
David, she's heaped enough insults on Esme, I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of them, but alas...I didn't keep track! Nor did I keep track of all the insulting synonyms for "poor" that Lo used throughout the show. I'd like some statistics to back up that I've never heard so many all in one show before. Great education for all the kids watching during "family" time.
Sara, all I can say is thank you, thank you for recapping this episode. It helped to know that I wasn't the only one going "Whaaat the....?"
During one of Esme-Pablo's fights over little Pablito being unilaterally assigned to Lo, I actually wandered away to HANG CURTAINS. Yep, it's sad. Once a certain level of stupidity is reached, the emotions just turn off (mine, not Esme and Pablo's).
Oddly I haven't seen announcement for the gran finale, so it's Friday?
J in Oregon
During one of Esme-Pablo's fights over little Pablito being unilaterally assigned to Lo, I actually wandered away to HANG CURTAINS. Yep, it's sad. Once a certain level of stupidity is reached, the emotions just turn off (mine, not Esme and Pablo's).
Oddly I haven't seen announcement for the gran finale, so it's Friday?
J in Oregon
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:07:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:07:00 AM EST
So, J...what are the curtains like. Because I'm way more interested in your curtains than what's going to happen next.
Anyone got paint drying? Could you film that and post it for me in case a need a little pick-me-up after?
Anyone got paint drying? Could you film that and post it for me in case a need a little pick-me-up after?
Oh, jeez. Look at me calling Anne "Anon3:49" I'm so sorry! No stickers for me.
David I love your turn of phrase "I don't know how you keep on making delicious chicken soup with the raw material you have to work with."
Raw material indeed.
J in O- They have officially said that Friday is the gran final. I was waiting for it, too. And I second Diva. I'd rather hear about curtains.
David I love your turn of phrase "I don't know how you keep on making delicious chicken soup with the raw material you have to work with."
Raw material indeed.
J in O- They have officially said that Friday is the gran final. I was waiting for it, too. And I second Diva. I'd rather hear about curtains.
Heck yes there's another dump in Mexico, a toxic one in a hoodie.
Pablo ain't stupid he just doesn't care unless he feels bad. He doesn't torture animals, no, but he's like a drunk driver plowing into a crowd.
Pablo ain't stupid he just doesn't care unless he feels bad. He doesn't torture animals, no, but he's like a drunk driver plowing into a crowd.
What a perfect day for this article to show up in my Facebook newsfeed...
Bad Movies
Basically, it's an exploration of movies that bad-but-fun and just plain bad. He said a lot of things about movies that I think can apply to telenovelas as well. No, not universally, but when he talks about gathering the tribe to mock...well, he might as well be talking about the patio. He also brings up how it becomes awkward when, the "tribe" doesn't all agree on why they're watching--is it to mock or to enjoy? I think Caray is definitely geared towards the mocking (I mean, it's right there in the header) but we have our moments of appreciation, too.
One of the concluding paragraphs really spoke to me, especially if I substitute "telenovela" for "movie":
"And Bad [Telenovelas] should remain shocking, or at least noteworthy enough to make fun of. For a [telenovela] to hit the screen, it has to pass through the hands of writers, actors, cinematographers, lighting professionals, sound professionals, costumers and makeup artists, directors, editors, producers, and focus groups. That’s a vast conspiracy of people, any one of whom might nudge a [telenovela] farther toward Quality and away from Quagmire. Yet their combined efforts were not enough. The wisdom of crowds failed."
Bad Movies
Basically, it's an exploration of movies that bad-but-fun and just plain bad. He said a lot of things about movies that I think can apply to telenovelas as well. No, not universally, but when he talks about gathering the tribe to mock...well, he might as well be talking about the patio. He also brings up how it becomes awkward when, the "tribe" doesn't all agree on why they're watching--is it to mock or to enjoy? I think Caray is definitely geared towards the mocking (I mean, it's right there in the header) but we have our moments of appreciation, too.
One of the concluding paragraphs really spoke to me, especially if I substitute "telenovela" for "movie":
"And Bad [Telenovelas] should remain shocking, or at least noteworthy enough to make fun of. For a [telenovela] to hit the screen, it has to pass through the hands of writers, actors, cinematographers, lighting professionals, sound professionals, costumers and makeup artists, directors, editors, producers, and focus groups. That’s a vast conspiracy of people, any one of whom might nudge a [telenovela] farther toward Quality and away from Quagmire. Yet their combined efforts were not enough. The wisdom of crowds failed."
I do think they get so involved in what they're doing that they don't step back and say "Hey, wait a second...." That's supposed to be the director's job. There is one particular acting gig where, close to the time we open, the producer schedules a time to come in and have us perform the show just for her. It's invaluable. She hasn't been at any of the rehearsals and is looking at it with fresh eyes. We all get so caught up in what we're doing and in thinking that it's just so brilliant...and there's always the possibility that she takes a look and says "Nope. Not working." Which she did when I was co-directing. We had a matter of days to resolve her list of issues...and one of them was that the entire setup for the play (why THESE characters are in THIS place having THESE conversations at THIS time) made no sense to her. Completely nerve-wracking! But also completely necessary.
Alas, no one appears to be performing that function on La Gata.
Alas, no one appears to be performing that function on La Gata.
Excellent point 5 ft and in successful business dealings I've been involved with the same, however, hubris frequently rears it's head or as my father would say, they believe their shit don't stink.
When you've been smelling the same shit for so long you become immune to the stench. Or so it would appear.
Hell, those damn Febreze commercials play on the literal version of that fear..."Your house smells just fine to you...but to everyone else it smells like a giant cat box where someone has grilled a stinky fish! Deodorize that shit with Febreze!"
Hell, those damn Febreze commercials play on the literal version of that fear..."Your house smells just fine to you...but to everyone else it smells like a giant cat box where someone has grilled a stinky fish! Deodorize that shit with Febreze!"
I miss Mariano. I wouldn't mind Pablo dying, probably saving Lo from herself, and Esme and Mariano hooking up.
"and Esme and Mariano hooking up"
Been wishing that since they had that zoo date. She really was enjoying herself, happy and seemed a different person.
Latoodle, here's yo chance to score at the buzzer
Been wishing that since they had that zoo date. She really was enjoying herself, happy and seemed a different person.
Latoodle, here's yo chance to score at the buzzer
Lorenza the giraffe...because she's "estirada." Ah, those were the good times. And they actually had some chemistry together.
Mariano and Esme- That might almost make up for the rest of this crap.
Pabs and Esme married in the church. So that would have to mean the death of Pabs. I'm good with that.
It would be a big twist at the end. I'm good with that, too.
There would be another wedding. YAY! Another dress!
Now I'm getting my hopes up and it's not going to happen. Damn you Latoodle.
Pabs and Esme married in the church. So that would have to mean the death of Pabs. I'm good with that.
It would be a big twist at the end. I'm good with that, too.
There would be another wedding. YAY! Another dress!
Now I'm getting my hopes up and it's not going to happen. Damn you Latoodle.
Question for Diva.
I love when you tell us about how things work in the theater and you're right, there was no one to really keep up with everything.
How do you think that gets done when you are talking about a show that airs daily? Clearly quality control is possible, we've seen enough GOOD shows (La Malquerida, Alborada) that we know it's possible.
I love when you tell us about how things work in the theater and you're right, there was no one to really keep up with everything.
How do you think that gets done when you are talking about a show that airs daily? Clearly quality control is possible, we've seen enough GOOD shows (La Malquerida, Alborada) that we know it's possible.
Intrigued with the idea of a deceased Pablo making way for a Mariano-Esme connection. I wouldn't complain.
So, right now this thing is just floating like a boat without a rudder. Dead in the water.
There are people in the boat but they are not going anywhere because nobody is steering!
And adding a new character to thicken the plot...4 days before El Fin? That's just not even crazy. Word for that doesn't exist.
J in Oh.....
There are people in the boat but they are not going anywhere because nobody is steering!
And adding a new character to thicken the plot...4 days before El Fin? That's just not even crazy. Word for that doesn't exist.
J in Oh.....
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:47:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:47:00 AM EST
Well, in the case of this show, I don't think it IS getting done at all, but I think the way to do it would be not to get started until there's an actual plan that someone who isn't directly involved signs off on and then STICK TO THE PLAN! I think they pitched an idea that was approved by the network; got started without having ALL the details worked out; and then scrambled to finish.
When I think of that producer, J, I can just imagine her laughing at the idea that they could have a beginning and an end, but no idea how to get there. Maybe having a full script ready isn't realistic, but how about a plan for what's going to happen each day or each week? It doesn't even feel like they had that. And "the story of two people who fall in love as kids and fight for their love despite all odds" is great for the back cover of the DVD, but that's not a blueprint for how to get from point A to point B (and it's clearly not what's been happening, regardless of what the on-screen TV guide has to say about it). Yet it feels like that's all they had...plus, maybe, the added clout of claiming to be using Ines Rodena's story--which, if they actually had, might have worked, since she wrote an actual story!
Maybe they'll learn from this and either stop trusting that just because someone says "I'd like to do a remake of X" that means they're actually going to do it or start insisting that it actually needs to BE a remake, not a remake of about the first third followed by a swift descent into madness.
I don't know how closely La Malquerida followed Benavente's original play and if so, how much that has to do with the overall quality, but I could see where having an already-established, strong story and NOT trying to change most of it would free up a whole lot of energy for pretty much everyone involved.
I have no idea whether or not I answered the question.
When I think of that producer, J, I can just imagine her laughing at the idea that they could have a beginning and an end, but no idea how to get there. Maybe having a full script ready isn't realistic, but how about a plan for what's going to happen each day or each week? It doesn't even feel like they had that. And "the story of two people who fall in love as kids and fight for their love despite all odds" is great for the back cover of the DVD, but that's not a blueprint for how to get from point A to point B (and it's clearly not what's been happening, regardless of what the on-screen TV guide has to say about it). Yet it feels like that's all they had...plus, maybe, the added clout of claiming to be using Ines Rodena's story--which, if they actually had, might have worked, since she wrote an actual story!
Maybe they'll learn from this and either stop trusting that just because someone says "I'd like to do a remake of X" that means they're actually going to do it or start insisting that it actually needs to BE a remake, not a remake of about the first third followed by a swift descent into madness.
I don't know how closely La Malquerida followed Benavente's original play and if so, how much that has to do with the overall quality, but I could see where having an already-established, strong story and NOT trying to change most of it would free up a whole lot of energy for pretty much everyone involved.
I have no idea whether or not I answered the question.
"And adding a new character to thicken the plot...4 days before El Fin? That's just not even crazy. Word for that doesn't exist."
Agreed.
"...but I think the way to do it would be not to get started until there's an actual plan..."
I don't Latoodle ever has a plan beyond, here's 20 episodes of fairly decent stuff. Let's just air it. If ratings are good, we'll make it up as we go along. If ratings are bad, we'll make it up as we go along but not for as long as usual.
I don't know a lot about the Benavente play. I don't think the TN followed it religiously, but did keep some plot ideas. Maybe Vivi will stop by and give us a little info.
Agreed.
"...but I think the way to do it would be not to get started until there's an actual plan..."
I don't Latoodle ever has a plan beyond, here's 20 episodes of fairly decent stuff. Let's just air it. If ratings are good, we'll make it up as we go along. If ratings are bad, we'll make it up as we go along but not for as long as usual.
I don't know a lot about the Benavente play. I don't think the TN followed it religiously, but did keep some plot ideas. Maybe Vivi will stop by and give us a little info.
I don't know why they would rely on ratings to guide the show. How are they supposed to know what, out of all the things that happened during the episode, the audience is responding favorably to. IF they're responding favorably at all! How are you supposed to tell just from ratings that people weren't extra bored that night or tuning in to catch a movie preview during the commercials? When everybody tunes in on a night that Lo both gets busted for something AND gets forgiven by someone...numbers aren't going to tell them which one of those two things we were rooting for!
The only good thing last night was
Maite's black dress with the gold bow. And yes, her beautiful hair.
If I hear Pablo say mama, mama one more time I think that I will loose it.
Yes, I agree. Lo must have dropped Pablo on his head when he was a baby and he has never completely recovered.
the gringo
Maite's black dress with the gold bow. And yes, her beautiful hair.
If I hear Pablo say mama, mama one more time I think that I will loose it.
Yes, I agree. Lo must have dropped Pablo on his head when he was a baby and he has never completely recovered.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 12:34:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 12:34:00 PM EST
Oh Vivi---I keep forgetting. The Institute you had told us is not the same as Aranza's school from PSMA. You said something like one was newer and more modern or taller? That may be true but the courtyard out front with all of the plants, bushes and the white statue is the same recycled
film set I'm sure.
the gringo
film set I'm sure.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 12:48:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 12:48:00 PM EST
La Malquerida strayed from Benavente's original play quite a bit (many characters were the same but some roles different and other story lines inserted to get them to the same point at the end, there were also three endings shot, one shown and it was not the way the play ended but took nothing away) but the essence in tact and I also think the producer, director, writers and actors out of respect to Eenavente cared. There was also a stellar cast for the TN and played well together. I recall some scenes between Guillermo García Cantú and Brandon Peniche (was not really a fan of the guy) as father and son, the son becoming the father and it was dynamite and gave me chills. GG Cantu a master and Brandon upping his game and the grateful student.
Thank you for putting yourself through this. What more can anyone say. Pablo should drop dead already. Nothing made me sicker than the scene ( I can't now remember whether it was yesterday or the day before ) where he stood there with Esme telling her he loved her over and over. Show it dumb ass, don't keep saying these empty words. And the f****ing ring. Really? Here is a something shiny, leave me in peace. You asshole.
One of the things that is really, really bothering me in this story is the infantilization of Esme and Blanca. Jesus! These two women lived on the streets and in a dump for twenty years. They are probably pretty tough. Why do the men around them treat them like two year old idiots. Why does El Sil have Esme leave the room to talk to Pablo? They have done this repeatedly. Every time they do it, I want to scream. When Damien saw Gisella with Hatbro, why didn't he run straight to his good friend Esme and tell her, " Hey, the woman who repeatedly tried to kill you and your husband is hanging around with your kids' doctor." No. He tells El Sil.
Esme doesn't even deserve Mariano anymore. She has not protected those children. She kept taking them back to the dump to live when there was no need. She moved in with the woman who tried to kill them. She's dead to me.
Thank you patio peeps for your support through this trying time. Thank god it is almost over.
One of the things that is really, really bothering me in this story is the infantilization of Esme and Blanca. Jesus! These two women lived on the streets and in a dump for twenty years. They are probably pretty tough. Why do the men around them treat them like two year old idiots. Why does El Sil have Esme leave the room to talk to Pablo? They have done this repeatedly. Every time they do it, I want to scream. When Damien saw Gisella with Hatbro, why didn't he run straight to his good friend Esme and tell her, " Hey, the woman who repeatedly tried to kill you and your husband is hanging around with your kids' doctor." No. He tells El Sil.
Esme doesn't even deserve Mariano anymore. She has not protected those children. She kept taking them back to the dump to live when there was no need. She moved in with the woman who tried to kill them. She's dead to me.
Thank you patio peeps for your support through this trying time. Thank god it is almost over.
Maybe it's about respect. I don't see a lot of evidence that She Who Shall Not Be Named has any. Not for the source material, not for the craft, not for the audience.
And I will applaud your performance, LN and Diva!!
LN-Love your avatar and your take on the ring:
"Here is a something shiny, leave me in peace. You asshole."
LN-Love your avatar and your take on the ring:
"Here is a something shiny, leave me in peace. You asshole."
Nail on the head about respect Diva. I really don't have a problem with remakes...but please respect the original material and performances!!
Why *do* they do so many remakes? Is it so hard to come up with something vaguely different?
Why *do* they do so many remakes? Is it so hard to come up with something vaguely different?
I can't remember whether I've said this before...it seems like they want the appeal of a tried-and-true story, but then they F(it)UBAR, so what's the point?
Sara, thank you for noticing. I think that avatar demonstrates my level of commitment to this dreck. My dog did not object, so no animals were harmed. I can't think how that poor Principe stood for those rides down the barranca.
I might have just busted a rib laughing. Uni showed an ad for the Gran Final, referring to La Gata as "The story that moved every fiber of your heart." I'm thinking there might have been other internal organs that were "moved."
5ft and Sara, I think the word you are looking for is "peristalsis."
David
David
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:39:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:39:00 PM EST
5ft: Food moving in the opposite direction would be "emesis."
David
David
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 4:10:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 4:10:00 PM EST
You guys were on fire today!
Ironically enough, I just came from a storytelling workshop. Let's just say the instructors would have thrown Latoodle out and barred the doors.
Gringo- Sara already explained to me that you meant the school, not the new Ciudad Encontrada, which is what I thought you meant. I actually never watched an episode where the characters were at the institute, so I never saw it. I'm sure you're right that it was the same place.
Ironically enough, I just came from a storytelling workshop. Let's just say the instructors would have thrown Latoodle out and barred the doors.
Gringo- Sara already explained to me that you meant the school, not the new Ciudad Encontrada, which is what I thought you meant. I actually never watched an episode where the characters were at the institute, so I never saw it. I'm sure you're right that it was the same place.
Ooh, Vivi, a storytelling workshop sounds like fun! Maybe I need to watch tonight's episode as a "How Not To Write" workshop :)
Sara, thank you, THANK YOU! I just don't know what to say anymore. I long ago concluded that whoever shaped and molded this steaming crap had absolute contempt for everybody, chief among them being the audience. It's so bad it makes you want to go all conspiracy theory: it's the dumbing down of Mexico AND America! They want to control us by insulting and assaulting our intelligence and moral values. . .it's the. . .what's the opposite of "illuninate"? It's the Obscurinatis trying to take over the world!!!
Please save us from stoopid, classist, racist, idiots with money invading spaces that could be the place for sharing dreams and wonder. That's all that has happened here. Dumbass with dough!
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