Thursday, December 13, 2007
Pasion - Dec. 13, 2007 Santo finds pirate beach camp; Cami begs for mercy; and Rico speaks english!
* Vasco is driving the cart with Santo in back down the dusty trail.
* Fran and Lisabetha are prohibited from leaving the mansion. Fran and Lisabetha are shocked. Fran runs to the salon and finds Tim, stabbing his brother's portrait over and over again. She asks him indignantly why she and Lisabetha can't leave to go to church or anything. Tim is still bitter and angry over her involvement in Cami's escape. He coughs, weezes, waves his sword around like a madman, and Fran leaves the salon quickly. Tim doesn't need anything from anyone ... except possibly Cami.
* Rico stops writing his latest entry in his ship's log, closes it and places it on the desk. He's frustrated because he can't stop thinking about Cami.
* Ascanio brings food and water to shed. Cami is asleep in the corner. She is dreaming about being with Santo in the garden when they were dating.
* Bermie, Vasco and Santo are out to eat at a saloon. They discuss their plan for searching for Cami. Vasco and Bermie start to have doubts and are thinking about turning back. Santo is frustrated with them and tells them to go back, he will continue on. Vasco and Bermie have a change of heart and agree to continue on also.
* Ascanio tells Tim in his office that Cami hasn't eaten anything for several days. Tim suggests giving her other fruits and foods to eat.
* Santo, Vasco and Bermie at the beach camp, watching Matthias with the crowd. They talk with Pablo about any ships or pirates that have been at the camp and if Cami went on one of the ships. Pablo says no, she wasn't, and then leaves quickly. Vasco, Santo and Bermie are curious to know why no one wants to talk. Santo stares at Matthias.
* Shortly after the performance, Matthias and gypsy caravan meet with Vasco, Bermie and Santo on trail. Matt and Vasco talk.
* Ascanio comes into shed to check on Cami. Cami says she's in hell. Ascanio says something back to her and then leaves. Cami is lost in her memories and imagination (and looks like a scraggly homeless bum).
* Matthias tells Vasco, Bermie and Santo all he knows about the pirate ship that left the beach camp for some island far away. The three men are intrigued - Santo needs more details; Matthias isn't sure about any women on board or the cargo.
* At Uncle Tim's mansion, Ascanio was telling Epifanio that Lisabeta had a fever to explain why she isn't visiting her tía.{thanks carina for the correction}. Ascanio goes into the study to report to Tim about his sister-in-law; Tim is indifferent to the news. Ascanio also reported to Uncle Tim that Cami was refusing the bread while she was in the bodega, she did drink the water. Uncle Tim's creepy clever eyes smiled because he knew she would survive without food, but with water.{thanks pasofino for the correction} Tim leaves immediately.
* Tim has the servant maids take Cami out of the shed and clean her up.
* Epifanio and Mercedes talk at her family mansion. Mercedes is fed up with the guilty charges against Rico and will be writing to Rico about it.
* Tim goes shopping at the local african marketplace. He asks the manager if he could help him out - he will pay the manager very well for his services.
* Cami is all cleaned up and dressed like a lady again. She enters the salon. Tim tells her that she has two options, either marry him or be sent to travel to Africa and the world. Ascanio (?) enters to tell Tim that the manager has arrived. Manager enters. He checks out Cami and tells Tim that he will offer to buy Cami. Cami is impactado. She falls to her knees and begs Tim not to sell her. Tim tells the manager to leave, no sale because Cami is a free woman. Cami and Tim have a discussion and Tim tells her that the other option is for him to sell her to the local brothel (whorehouse). Cami is muy impactado. He says this place is very far away from La Mariana. Cami begs and pleads that Tim doesn't send her there either - she promises to be a good little slave girl and do what she's told.
* John, Rico and Mario are on the beach in Jamaica (?) negotiating a business deal. An associate approaches and tells John that there is someone who wants to meet with him. John excuses himself and leaves with the associate. Rico and Mario wonder about John's new business deal, involving stolen mexican silver. Mario is intrigued with the idea. Rico says no thanks, he has enough legal problems right now.
* John and Alberto are at John's camp on the beach. Alberto tells John where he came from (a town not far from Veracruz). Alberto starts negotiations with John for the loot to be transported away by ship. John talks with Alberto and draws a map in the sand with his sword.
* Tim visits Fran and Lisabetha in their room. Tim inquires about Lisabetha's health. Then he hopes Lisabeth will be fine with his marriage to Cami. Lisabetha, holding her porcelain doll, puts on a brave face and says she is fine with the marriage. Tim leaves. Lisabetha cries on Aunt Fran's shoulder.
* Cami, ready for bed, prays to the cross for help in finding a way to stop the wedding. She also prays for Santo's recovery and her family. Tim enters and says they will be married in three weeks. Cami wonders about Lisabeth and Fran's feelings - they won't like it. Tim is indifferent to them. Cami says he must not like them very much, why is that? Tim says it's none of her business. She asks another question, about her future if he should die. He answers. She thanks him. He leaves.
* Vasco, Bermie and Santo return home. Pancho and Crispin help Santo out of the back of the cart and walk with him, Vasco and Bermie to the house. Ines and Ofelia are there to greet them. Ofelia escorts Santo inside. Ines gets Vasco something to drink - they sit in the dining room and discuss what the men discovered on their search for Cami (about the pirate ship). Ines is enchanted by Vasco. He asks about his son, Paco. She tells him he is wonderful and always asks about Vasco. Vasco thanks Ines for all her help before leaving. Ines is really smiling now.
* Ofelia and Santo in his bedroom. He's depressed. She can tell. She says he was the same way when his dad died. Ofelia works this angle and convinces to Santo to start to let go of Cami. Santo starts to cry. Ofelia is there to console and hug him.
* Justo is supervising the shipments and deliveries at the store. Sofia, Tita and Fortunata approach. Sofia and Justo walk off for some privacy. Sofia asks Justo for his opinions about if there's a secret between her husband (the dirty bag Jorge) and Ofelia, that somehow Santo maybe Jorge's son. Justo tells her his thoughts (which isn't much). Fortunata, Tita and Sofia leave. Rita asks Justo about the conversation, but it is interrupted by news that Vasco, Bermie and Santo have just returned.
* John, Rico and other seamen are looking out at the horizon discussing sailing plans. John and Rico talk in both spanish and english. (FIRST TIME FERNANDO SPEAKS ENGLISH IN A TELENOVELA!!! WOW!!!)
* Tim and Cami are meeting with the La Mariana magistrate in the salon office. Fran and Lisabetha are in another room - Lisabetha is in a panic about what is happening in the meeting.
* Lisabetha and Fran walk into the courtyard and Lisabetha says how scared and nervous she is that they will be cut out of the inheritance. The meeting ends and Tim, the magistrate and Cami leave the office. Tim walks to Lisabetha and Fran. He hands Fran his last will and testament and walks away. Fran and Lisabetha sit down - Fran reads it to Lisabetha. She's so happy because Lisabetha will inherit the majority of Rico's father's estate when Tim dies. Lisabetha is upset because Rico wasn't mentioned in the will at all. Fran says just be happy with what she will get. Lisabetha dares to marry cousin Rico to get her concerns met.
* Fran returns the will to Tim in the salon. She tells him she's satisfied with the terms as stated and leaves. Tim rips up the document without blinking his eyes.
* On board ship, there's a storm at sea again. Rico commands Lazaro and Mario about what to do on ship, when the storm passes, and when they come into port at Santa Barbara.
* Santo is at church praying. Once he finishes his prayers, he leaves. Out on the street plaza, Rita smirks as she passes the belly dancer and the stilt walking clown. Santiago sees her and walks in a similar path across the plaza. Rita approaches the smithy shop. She asks the twins where Santo is - they say he step away to go to church. As she is about to leave to find Santo, Santo walks up. Rita is excited to tell him about the meeting they are to attend tomorrow. She leaves. Santo looks bewildered.
* Rico in the ship's crow's nest with his telescope. He yells orders to the crew below to get ready to rumble - approaching merchant ship. Captain and crew of merchant ship spot Rico's ship in the distance and fast approaching. They race to get everyone below deck and get the ship ready for battle.
* Fran and Lisabetha are prohibited from leaving the mansion. Fran and Lisabetha are shocked. Fran runs to the salon and finds Tim, stabbing his brother's portrait over and over again. She asks him indignantly why she and Lisabetha can't leave to go to church or anything. Tim is still bitter and angry over her involvement in Cami's escape. He coughs, weezes, waves his sword around like a madman, and Fran leaves the salon quickly. Tim doesn't need anything from anyone ... except possibly Cami.
* Rico stops writing his latest entry in his ship's log, closes it and places it on the desk. He's frustrated because he can't stop thinking about Cami.
* Ascanio brings food and water to shed. Cami is asleep in the corner. She is dreaming about being with Santo in the garden when they were dating.
* Bermie, Vasco and Santo are out to eat at a saloon. They discuss their plan for searching for Cami. Vasco and Bermie start to have doubts and are thinking about turning back. Santo is frustrated with them and tells them to go back, he will continue on. Vasco and Bermie have a change of heart and agree to continue on also.
* Ascanio tells Tim in his office that Cami hasn't eaten anything for several days. Tim suggests giving her other fruits and foods to eat.
* Santo, Vasco and Bermie at the beach camp, watching Matthias with the crowd. They talk with Pablo about any ships or pirates that have been at the camp and if Cami went on one of the ships. Pablo says no, she wasn't, and then leaves quickly. Vasco, Santo and Bermie are curious to know why no one wants to talk. Santo stares at Matthias.
* Shortly after the performance, Matthias and gypsy caravan meet with Vasco, Bermie and Santo on trail. Matt and Vasco talk.
* Ascanio comes into shed to check on Cami. Cami says she's in hell. Ascanio says something back to her and then leaves. Cami is lost in her memories and imagination (and looks like a scraggly homeless bum).
* Matthias tells Vasco, Bermie and Santo all he knows about the pirate ship that left the beach camp for some island far away. The three men are intrigued - Santo needs more details; Matthias isn't sure about any women on board or the cargo.
* At Uncle Tim's mansion, Ascanio was telling Epifanio that Lisabeta had a fever to explain why she isn't visiting her tía.{thanks carina for the correction}. Ascanio goes into the study to report to Tim about his sister-in-law; Tim is indifferent to the news. Ascanio also reported to Uncle Tim that Cami was refusing the bread while she was in the bodega, she did drink the water. Uncle Tim's creepy clever eyes smiled because he knew she would survive without food, but with water.{thanks pasofino for the correction} Tim leaves immediately.
* Tim has the servant maids take Cami out of the shed and clean her up.
* Epifanio and Mercedes talk at her family mansion. Mercedes is fed up with the guilty charges against Rico and will be writing to Rico about it.
* Tim goes shopping at the local african marketplace. He asks the manager if he could help him out - he will pay the manager very well for his services.
* Cami is all cleaned up and dressed like a lady again. She enters the salon. Tim tells her that she has two options, either marry him or be sent to travel to Africa and the world. Ascanio (?) enters to tell Tim that the manager has arrived. Manager enters. He checks out Cami and tells Tim that he will offer to buy Cami. Cami is impactado. She falls to her knees and begs Tim not to sell her. Tim tells the manager to leave, no sale because Cami is a free woman. Cami and Tim have a discussion and Tim tells her that the other option is for him to sell her to the local brothel (whorehouse). Cami is muy impactado. He says this place is very far away from La Mariana. Cami begs and pleads that Tim doesn't send her there either - she promises to be a good little slave girl and do what she's told.
* John, Rico and Mario are on the beach in Jamaica (?) negotiating a business deal. An associate approaches and tells John that there is someone who wants to meet with him. John excuses himself and leaves with the associate. Rico and Mario wonder about John's new business deal, involving stolen mexican silver. Mario is intrigued with the idea. Rico says no thanks, he has enough legal problems right now.
* John and Alberto are at John's camp on the beach. Alberto tells John where he came from (a town not far from Veracruz). Alberto starts negotiations with John for the loot to be transported away by ship. John talks with Alberto and draws a map in the sand with his sword.
* Tim visits Fran and Lisabetha in their room. Tim inquires about Lisabetha's health. Then he hopes Lisabeth will be fine with his marriage to Cami. Lisabetha, holding her porcelain doll, puts on a brave face and says she is fine with the marriage. Tim leaves. Lisabetha cries on Aunt Fran's shoulder.
* Cami, ready for bed, prays to the cross for help in finding a way to stop the wedding. She also prays for Santo's recovery and her family. Tim enters and says they will be married in three weeks. Cami wonders about Lisabeth and Fran's feelings - they won't like it. Tim is indifferent to them. Cami says he must not like them very much, why is that? Tim says it's none of her business. She asks another question, about her future if he should die. He answers. She thanks him. He leaves.
* Vasco, Bermie and Santo return home. Pancho and Crispin help Santo out of the back of the cart and walk with him, Vasco and Bermie to the house. Ines and Ofelia are there to greet them. Ofelia escorts Santo inside. Ines gets Vasco something to drink - they sit in the dining room and discuss what the men discovered on their search for Cami (about the pirate ship). Ines is enchanted by Vasco. He asks about his son, Paco. She tells him he is wonderful and always asks about Vasco. Vasco thanks Ines for all her help before leaving. Ines is really smiling now.
* Ofelia and Santo in his bedroom. He's depressed. She can tell. She says he was the same way when his dad died. Ofelia works this angle and convinces to Santo to start to let go of Cami. Santo starts to cry. Ofelia is there to console and hug him.
* Justo is supervising the shipments and deliveries at the store. Sofia, Tita and Fortunata approach. Sofia and Justo walk off for some privacy. Sofia asks Justo for his opinions about if there's a secret between her husband (the dirty bag Jorge) and Ofelia, that somehow Santo maybe Jorge's son. Justo tells her his thoughts (which isn't much). Fortunata, Tita and Sofia leave. Rita asks Justo about the conversation, but it is interrupted by news that Vasco, Bermie and Santo have just returned.
* John, Rico and other seamen are looking out at the horizon discussing sailing plans. John and Rico talk in both spanish and english. (FIRST TIME FERNANDO SPEAKS ENGLISH IN A TELENOVELA!!! WOW!!!)
* Tim and Cami are meeting with the La Mariana magistrate in the salon office. Fran and Lisabetha are in another room - Lisabetha is in a panic about what is happening in the meeting.
* Lisabetha and Fran walk into the courtyard and Lisabetha says how scared and nervous she is that they will be cut out of the inheritance. The meeting ends and Tim, the magistrate and Cami leave the office. Tim walks to Lisabetha and Fran. He hands Fran his last will and testament and walks away. Fran and Lisabetha sit down - Fran reads it to Lisabetha. She's so happy because Lisabetha will inherit the majority of Rico's father's estate when Tim dies. Lisabetha is upset because Rico wasn't mentioned in the will at all. Fran says just be happy with what she will get. Lisabetha dares to marry cousin Rico to get her concerns met.
* Fran returns the will to Tim in the salon. She tells him she's satisfied with the terms as stated and leaves. Tim rips up the document without blinking his eyes.
* On board ship, there's a storm at sea again. Rico commands Lazaro and Mario about what to do on ship, when the storm passes, and when they come into port at Santa Barbara.
* Santo is at church praying. Once he finishes his prayers, he leaves. Out on the street plaza, Rita smirks as she passes the belly dancer and the stilt walking clown. Santiago sees her and walks in a similar path across the plaza. Rita approaches the smithy shop. She asks the twins where Santo is - they say he step away to go to church. As she is about to leave to find Santo, Santo walks up. Rita is excited to tell him about the meeting they are to attend tomorrow. She leaves. Santo looks bewildered.
* Rico in the ship's crow's nest with his telescope. He yells orders to the crew below to get ready to rumble - approaching merchant ship. Captain and crew of merchant ship spot Rico's ship in the distance and fast approaching. They race to get everyone below deck and get the ship ready for battle.
Labels: Pasion
Comments:
<< Home
JR - terrific recap. Now I know what happened when I fell asleep.
And, to add - When Cami was refusing the bread while she was in the bodega, she did drink the water - Ascio checked on that and reported back to Uncle Tim whose creepy clever eyes smiled because he knew she would survive without food, but with water. What has made this man so mean and twisted? Does anyone know?
And, to add - When Cami was refusing the bread while she was in the bodega, she did drink the water - Ascio checked on that and reported back to Uncle Tim whose creepy clever eyes smiled because he knew she would survive without food, but with water. What has made this man so mean and twisted? Does anyone know?
Permalink posted by 
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 8:50:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 8:50:00 AM EST
* At Uncle Tim's mansion, Butler tells Ascanio about Lisabetha's fever. Ascanio goes into the study to tell Tim about his daughter's fever. Tim is indifferent to the news.
I thought that Ascanio was telling Mercedes' servant that Lisabeta had a fever to explain why she isn't visiting her tía. Though why is matters if Mercedes finds out about her niece and sister-in-law being under house arrest is beyond me... she's a social outcast, so what could she do to help them?
Thanks for all of the summaries so far! I typically lurk on the blog and just read the posts and comments, but needed some clarification on this point.
I thought that Ascanio was telling Mercedes' servant that Lisabeta had a fever to explain why she isn't visiting her tía. Though why is matters if Mercedes finds out about her niece and sister-in-law being under house arrest is beyond me... she's a social outcast, so what could she do to help them?
Thanks for all of the summaries so far! I typically lurk on the blog and just read the posts and comments, but needed some clarification on this point.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 10:56:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 10:56:00 AM EST
Thanks, J.r. I'm confused about something---Does Vasco have a child [Paco???] ..if so, who is the mother ? This seems to have come out of thin air. Well, Tim seems to be holding all the cards, but I think that attempting to do the deed with Cami could mean the beginning of the end for him...the whole thing could just be too much for Tiny Tim's ticker...the dirty old man. As for Fernando speaking English, it sounded to me like he had memorized the words and was just repeating them phonetically. However, I am available for private tutoring and would waive my fee....because I am a giver. I would like to teach Fernando to say ''dawn.''
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:23:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:23:00 PM EST
thanks pasofino and carina for the corrections. I will change my recap to include them ASAP. I was writing as fast as I could as the episode was airing so I know I missed lots of details and determining who was talking in each scene.
susanlynn -- you're not the only one confused about Paco's parents. in the original summary, Paco was Rita's son, but the first episode Paco called Rita "Tia Rita" which totally confused so now I have no idea who his parents are.
J.R. :)
susanlynn -- you're not the only one confused about Paco's parents. in the original summary, Paco was Rita's son, but the first episode Paco called Rita "Tia Rita" which totally confused so now I have no idea who his parents are.
J.R. :)
I missed a couple of things......
What did Tim say when Cami asked about her future if he dies?
What does Justo say when Sophis asks if Santos could be Jorges son?
I think these two things are important.
What did Tim say when Cami asked about her future if he dies?
What does Justo say when Sophis asks if Santos could be Jorges son?
I think these two things are important.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 1:23:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 1:23:00 PM EST
JR, Great recap, thanks so much. I didn't read it until you had added corrections so it looks great.
To Anon at 1:23pm, My understanding of Tim's answer to Camila is that when he dies she will get her freedom. She's banking on him dying soon, so she begins to feel cooperative. Especially in light of the alternatives of wild Arabic-Africa or the brothel.
With Justo and Sofia, my take is that he admitted having doubts about Santi's paternity back at the time. He professes that Santi's father was such a devoted dad, but Justo as much as acknowledges in facial expressions and few words, the strong possibility of Santi's true paternity line meaning that old DirtBag Jorge-NoCanDo used to be Jorge-Doitlotsandlots
To Anon at 1:23pm, My understanding of Tim's answer to Camila is that when he dies she will get her freedom. She's banking on him dying soon, so she begins to feel cooperative. Especially in light of the alternatives of wild Arabic-Africa or the brothel.
With Justo and Sofia, my take is that he admitted having doubts about Santi's paternity back at the time. He professes that Santi's father was such a devoted dad, but Justo as much as acknowledges in facial expressions and few words, the strong possibility of Santi's true paternity line meaning that old DirtBag Jorge-NoCanDo used to be Jorge-Doitlotsandlots
And another thing, I also thought TinkerToyTim was especially cruel when he had the will drawn up guaranteeing Cami's freedom upon his death, then calously tore it up later in his study. Oh, Cami, don't you know you must ask for your own copy to keep? What a naive waif. I just know the first attempt at a night of passion will be TTT's swan song.
The will Tim shows Tia Francisca and Lisabeta says that if Lisabeta is his only heir and will inherit all. But, if Camila produces a male heir for him, that varón will inherit 70% and Lisabeta only gets 30%. Way to seal a yet unborn baby's dangerous fate!!
The will Tim shows Tia Francisca and Lisabeta says that if Lisabeta is his only heir and will inherit all. But, if Camila produces a male heir for him, that varón will inherit 70% and Lisabeta only gets 30%. Way to seal a yet unborn baby's dangerous fate!!
I have power..yeah, came back on last night and cable followed about 2 hours later..Thanks for all your good wishes, now I have to go & read all the recaps as I am totally confused.
I only caught like five minutes last night which involved Santi sobbing & some English guy with a really, really bad blonde wig. If it is not a wig, may I suggest a good conditioner & perhaps a trim?
I only caught like five minutes last night which involved Santi sobbing & some English guy with a really, really bad blonde wig. If it is not a wig, may I suggest a good conditioner & perhaps a trim?
Carina Luna - you are correct, Ascanio just made up the fever thing as an excuse to Mercedes, to explain why she hasn't visited. He told Timoteo that he 'used the fever excuse like you tole me to.' I think they don't want Mercedes to know Lis is locked up just to keep her from being noisy and a nuisance. You're right, there isn't much she can do, except for tattling to Ric, who isn't ever around anyway.
Also, at the end of the show, I believe the conversation with Rita and Santiago was her inviting him and his family over for dinner, not any meeting or anything. She is preparing to move in on him, now that he is trying to 'move on.'
I thought that about Ricardo as well, like he wasn't really 'speaking' English as much as repeating some words he had memorized. He did a pretty good job until saying they had to leave at 'Dahn.' I have no room to talk, if I spoke a little Spanish on screen you would all be able to mock me for a week.
Count me in as confused about Paco. He was the little kid that Camila was playing with at the beginning, right? So Ines is his aunt, so Santiago is his uncle. Who is his mom? Great question.
Foreman - every time I see him, I keep thinking it is Cary Elwes trying to be Spanish or English speaking Spanish or something. I guess the actor kind of looks like him, I can't get that thought out of my mind. This picture should illustrate why this is happening - http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e4/CaryElwes.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.answers.com/topic/caryelwes-jpg&h=547&w=478&sz=45&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=DjP73Z_OVlg9eM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcary%2Belwes%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
Sorry for the long link.
Thanks for the recap JR!
Also, at the end of the show, I believe the conversation with Rita and Santiago was her inviting him and his family over for dinner, not any meeting or anything. She is preparing to move in on him, now that he is trying to 'move on.'
I thought that about Ricardo as well, like he wasn't really 'speaking' English as much as repeating some words he had memorized. He did a pretty good job until saying they had to leave at 'Dahn.' I have no room to talk, if I spoke a little Spanish on screen you would all be able to mock me for a week.
Count me in as confused about Paco. He was the little kid that Camila was playing with at the beginning, right? So Ines is his aunt, so Santiago is his uncle. Who is his mom? Great question.
Foreman - every time I see him, I keep thinking it is Cary Elwes trying to be Spanish or English speaking Spanish or something. I guess the actor kind of looks like him, I can't get that thought out of my mind. This picture should illustrate why this is happening - http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e4/CaryElwes.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.answers.com/topic/caryelwes-jpg&h=547&w=478&sz=45&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=DjP73Z_OVlg9eM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcary%2Belwes%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
Sorry for the long link.
Thanks for the recap JR!
One last thing about Ric speaking English (sort of) - when my wife was watching the Gran Final of Destilando Amor, as Gaviota is going into the church to get married, she tells someone in English "Thank you for the coming." She had to pause while I laughed and she told me that there was some horribly mangled English along the way in that show.
Tim is my favorite character so far. He has a good, craggy face, nice and evil. And the portrait stabbing is a hoot. I think swords are pretty heavy, but he goes at it one-handed, slowly and methodically. No weensy daggers for him! Is it always the same portrait? If so, it would be in shreds by now.
I also like his sister with her amazing ‘do. She always looks like she’s under full sail – a theme hairdo, maybe? It’s really something that these people would dress up so elaborately just to sit at home and look at one another. I mean, it’s not the court or anything.
Great recap and admiration for getting all the names – I’m lost on who is who.
I also like his sister with her amazing ‘do. She always looks like she’s under full sail – a theme hairdo, maybe? It’s really something that these people would dress up so elaborately just to sit at home and look at one another. I mean, it’s not the court or anything.
Great recap and admiration for getting all the names – I’m lost on who is who.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 2:52:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 2:52:00 PM EST
Thanks Jr for a very informative and interesting recap. I'm still taking notes on the characters and trying to figure out who's who. Your recap did an excellent job of pointing out the diffferent relationships. Without the recaps I'd be lost.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 3:02:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 3:02:00 PM EST
Not all swords are heavy! It depends on the size of the blade (obviously) as well as the metal content. Older swords were big and heavy because they were mostly iron. They didn't hold much of an edge, but they were good for stabbing with the pointy end, plus if someone hit you with the edge or the flat of the sword you'd suffer substantial blunt force trauma (broken bones, etc.). But then steel was invented, and weapons became lighter, sharper, and more maneuverable.
I didn't get a good look at Tim's weapon, but it looked like a rapier. These were used mostly for sport - dueling and such - and were made to poke/scratch/injure, not kill (though I'm sure many people died from infected wounds, freak accidents, overzealous attacks, and so forth). A rapier is light, nimble, very pointy, and perfect for stabbing paintings.
I didn't get a good look at Tim's weapon, but it looked like a rapier. These were used mostly for sport - dueling and such - and were made to poke/scratch/injure, not kill (though I'm sure many people died from infected wounds, freak accidents, overzealous attacks, and so forth). A rapier is light, nimble, very pointy, and perfect for stabbing paintings.
I would like to add my two cents to the comments here. The little boy (Manuelito in Alborada) is Vasco’s son. So, he is Camila and Rita’s nephew. I agree with all of you about how annoying Camila is. I can’t stand her. She can’t act for nothing. Good thin that we have Fernando, Alberto, and Mariana. Love Mario, this is the first time I’ve seen him as a good guy. He’s always been bad REALLY REALLY bad. I love Tim’s outfits specially the pants; what’s up with three quarter length pants? He looks like a puppet. Also, has everybody notice that he sometimes walks with two canes, one or none. I guess sometimes he forgets and just takes off walking without realizing. As per Rita this is the second time I’ve seen her in a novela. In the other novela she also was in love with her sister fiancé and trick him into marriage by drugging him and let him believe that she was pregnant, then she bought a child from one of the maids.
Oops. I didn't say that right. Of course a sword made out of steel is also going to be mostly iron. It's the extra ingredients in steel (carbon, I guess) that make it better for swords.
Thanks, Julie, for the interesting and fun notes on swords!
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 4:04:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 4:04:00 PM EST
I could have sworn Rita invited Santi for barbacoa, which sounds more like a cookout than a meeting. And also, Camila started scarfing down that chicken leg after thought bubbling Jimena's admonition that the most important thing was to stay alive. Perhaps this whiny twit will start to grow some character. But I doubt it will make me like her any better. Thanks for yet another great recap. I can only pick up bits here and there. I rely on you guys for the big picture.--Inés
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 4:28:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 4:28:00 PM EST
Cap'n Nickel Julie Vane~~~Did the sword info come from Highlander research ???? That show did teach me a lot about swords. Adrian is a terrific swordsman. I think I read somewhere that the same guy who trained Errol Flynn trained him and said that he was the best student he'd ever had. Adrian should be in a telenovela. He would have been great as Foreman, and since his mother is Italian and he speaks that language, he probably could do okay at Spanish. Wow..Can you imagine having Fernando AND aAdrian in a telenovela ???
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 5:12:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 5:12:00 PM EST
I was interested in swords since I was wee - before Highlander was even a twinkle in someone's eye. :) I think what got me interested was that time when Sulu got the crazy sweating disease and was shirtlessly chasing people around the Enterprise with a fencing foil.
Adrian Paul in a telenovela? What a treat that would be. He could be Ricardo's evil twin or something. Not that Ric doesn't have enough nasty people in his life already.
Adrian Paul in a telenovela? What a treat that would be. He could be Ricardo's evil twin or something. Not that Ric doesn't have enough nasty people in his life already.
thanks jr! i absolutely loved your recap.
i think vasco is a widower (?) and paco is the son he had with his ex wife. ines is helping vasco take care of paco. rita is vasco's sis, so no way could paco be hers! ;)
to clarify, the will that cruel old timmy tore apart was the one where he promises to give money to lisabeta (not the real will). he probably created a fake will to 'prove' to camila that he would leave lisabeta money (because cami asked him to consider lisabeta in his will). i think he also did it to get lisabeta and frannie's hopes up. i don't think he intends on having a boy with cami; he must have lost hope a while ago ;) i wonder what could have turned him into such an evil cruel old man.
i think vasco is a widower (?) and paco is the son he had with his ex wife. ines is helping vasco take care of paco. rita is vasco's sis, so no way could paco be hers! ;)
to clarify, the will that cruel old timmy tore apart was the one where he promises to give money to lisabeta (not the real will). he probably created a fake will to 'prove' to camila that he would leave lisabeta money (because cami asked him to consider lisabeta in his will). i think he also did it to get lisabeta and frannie's hopes up. i don't think he intends on having a boy with cami; he must have lost hope a while ago ;) i wonder what could have turned him into such an evil cruel old man.
It makes sense that Paco is Vasco's child - I just wish Vasco looked old enough to be a widower. He looks barely old enough to buy beer.
(Granted, in those days that was certainly old enough to be widowed It just seems weird in the 21st century. Also, in those days people in their early 20s looked like people in their 40s or later do now. At least that's what I tell myself when I lust after those 20-somethings. "Maybe I could pass." :))
(Granted, in those days that was certainly old enough to be widowed It just seems weird in the 21st century. Also, in those days people in their early 20s looked like people in their 40s or later do now. At least that's what I tell myself when I lust after those 20-somethings. "Maybe I could pass." :))
Julie, you're so funny! Thanks for the laughs. From Sulu to finding the perfect rapier for stabbing paintings...
jb - iron jack cash
jb - iron jack cash
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 14, 2007 at 10:41:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 14, 2007 at 10:41:00 PM EST
Captain Nickel "Julie" Vane wrote: "Is Timmy wearing a prosthetic schnoz??"
Methinks! He probably has to get to makeup hours before anybody else and this has permanently warped his personality. And that's why he's such a cranky old bastard.
Methinks! He probably has to get to makeup hours before anybody else and this has permanently warped his personality. And that's why he's such a cranky old bastard.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 7:12:00 AM EST
: Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 7:12:00 AM EST
I haven't had time to read the recap, but I told J. R. I'd catch up on the weekend. I quickly read comments, as I was scrolling through other things.
Julie, you asked about the schnoz? Judge for yourself. Here's a page about German Robles.
http://www.latarnia.com/germanrobles.htm
I think it might be the real deal.
Jeanne
Julie, you asked about the schnoz? Judge for yourself. Here's a page about German Robles.
http://www.latarnia.com/germanrobles.htm
I think it might be the real deal.
Jeanne
Jeanne, thanks for the link on German Robles. The nose does look real. I love Tim and his twisted character. Someone asked about the short pants. The pantaloons, the lace cuffs or boot tops, etc. were all authentic costumes for the time. Instead of today's bling to show wealth, they wore silk and lace. Since the lace was handmade, only the wealthy could afford it. That's why I question the village ladies wearing lace kerchiefs on their heads.
I would love the complete back story on Tim and what turned him to the dark side.
When he threatened Camilla with the brothel, I was thinking it was a brothel in Africa, to make it even more a a threat being so far away from home. Of course, one brothel would be as miserable as another, but the distance would mean less chance of ever escaping.
Hubby and I agreed last night that this TN lacks humor, so far. Not that I haven't seen plenty of stuff to laugh at, but no comic relief such as Clarita in DA or the antics in LFMB. All serious drama and struggle. I guess Mario's character shows a little humor. He's another character I like.
La Paloma
I would love the complete back story on Tim and what turned him to the dark side.
When he threatened Camilla with the brothel, I was thinking it was a brothel in Africa, to make it even more a a threat being so far away from home. Of course, one brothel would be as miserable as another, but the distance would mean less chance of ever escaping.
Hubby and I agreed last night that this TN lacks humor, so far. Not that I haven't seen plenty of stuff to laugh at, but no comic relief such as Clarita in DA or the antics in LFMB. All serious drama and struggle. I guess Mario's character shows a little humor. He's another character I like.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 3:36:00 PM EST
: Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 3:36:00 PM EST
Here is some spiffy info from Wikipedia in regards to "rapiers":
"Rapier generally refers to a relatively long-bladed sword characterized by a complex hilt which is constructed to provide protection for the hand wielding it. While the blade might be broad enough to cut to some degree (but nowhere near that of the thicker, heavier swords in use around the Middle Ages), the strength of the rapier is its ability as a thrusting weapon. The blade might be sharpened along its entire length, sharpened only from the center to the tip (as described by Capoferro), or completely without a cutting edge as called "estoc" by Pallavicini, a rapier master who, in 1670, strongly advocated using a weapon with two cutting edges. A typical example would weigh 1 kg and have a relatively long and slender blade of 2.5 centimetres or less in width, 1 meter or more in length and ending in a sharply pointed tip.
The term rapier generally refers to a thrusting sword with a blade longer and thinner than that of the so-called side-sword but heavier than the smallsword, a lighter weapon that would follow in the 18th century and later, but the exact form of the blade and hilt often depends on who is writing and when. It can refer to earlier spada da lato (much like the espada ropera) through the high rapier period of the 17th century through the smallsword and dueling swords, thus context is important in understanding what is meant by the word. (The term side-sword, used among some modern historical martial arts reconstructionists, is a translation from the Italian spada da lato--a term coined long after the fact by Italian museum curators--and does not refer to the slender, long rapier, but only to the early 16th-century Italian sword with a broader and shorter blade that is considered both its ancestor and contemporary.)
It is important to remember that the word "rapier" was not used by Italian, Spanish and French masters during the apogee of this weapon, the terms spada, espada and epee (or espee) being instead the norm (generic word for "sword"). Because of this as well as the great variation of late-16th and 17th century swords, some like Tom Leoni simply describe the rapier as a straight-bladed, two-edged, single-handed sword of that period which is self-sufficient in terms of both offense and defense, not requiring a companion weapon. In order to avoid the confusion of lumping all swords together, some categorizes such swords by their fuction and use. For example, John Clements categorizes thrusting swords with poor cutting abilities as rapiers and categorizes swords with both good thrusting and cutting abilities as Cut & Thrust swords.[1]"
You'll note that the "era" of the rapier was the 16th and 17th centuries. If this novela is set in the late 1700's or early 1800's, the most common sword for a seaman would have been a cutlass, which was made for "hacking" and "slashing", and requiring far less skill to use properly.
Interestingly enough, if I remember my history properly, the Captain who captured Blackbeard had his men use a lighter, straight-bladed sword during the fight, reasoning that the pirates would grow tired with swinging the heavier cutlasses of the day. Considering that he was successful, it must have been a good strategy!!
"Rapier generally refers to a relatively long-bladed sword characterized by a complex hilt which is constructed to provide protection for the hand wielding it. While the blade might be broad enough to cut to some degree (but nowhere near that of the thicker, heavier swords in use around the Middle Ages), the strength of the rapier is its ability as a thrusting weapon. The blade might be sharpened along its entire length, sharpened only from the center to the tip (as described by Capoferro), or completely without a cutting edge as called "estoc" by Pallavicini, a rapier master who, in 1670, strongly advocated using a weapon with two cutting edges. A typical example would weigh 1 kg and have a relatively long and slender blade of 2.5 centimetres or less in width, 1 meter or more in length and ending in a sharply pointed tip.
The term rapier generally refers to a thrusting sword with a blade longer and thinner than that of the so-called side-sword but heavier than the smallsword, a lighter weapon that would follow in the 18th century and later, but the exact form of the blade and hilt often depends on who is writing and when. It can refer to earlier spada da lato (much like the espada ropera) through the high rapier period of the 17th century through the smallsword and dueling swords, thus context is important in understanding what is meant by the word. (The term side-sword, used among some modern historical martial arts reconstructionists, is a translation from the Italian spada da lato--a term coined long after the fact by Italian museum curators--and does not refer to the slender, long rapier, but only to the early 16th-century Italian sword with a broader and shorter blade that is considered both its ancestor and contemporary.)
It is important to remember that the word "rapier" was not used by Italian, Spanish and French masters during the apogee of this weapon, the terms spada, espada and epee (or espee) being instead the norm (generic word for "sword"). Because of this as well as the great variation of late-16th and 17th century swords, some like Tom Leoni simply describe the rapier as a straight-bladed, two-edged, single-handed sword of that period which is self-sufficient in terms of both offense and defense, not requiring a companion weapon. In order to avoid the confusion of lumping all swords together, some categorizes such swords by their fuction and use. For example, John Clements categorizes thrusting swords with poor cutting abilities as rapiers and categorizes swords with both good thrusting and cutting abilities as Cut & Thrust swords.[1]"
You'll note that the "era" of the rapier was the 16th and 17th centuries. If this novela is set in the late 1700's or early 1800's, the most common sword for a seaman would have been a cutlass, which was made for "hacking" and "slashing", and requiring far less skill to use properly.
Interestingly enough, if I remember my history properly, the Captain who captured Blackbeard had his men use a lighter, straight-bladed sword during the fight, reasoning that the pirates would grow tired with swinging the heavier cutlasses of the day. Considering that he was successful, it must have been a good strategy!!
Permalink posted by : Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 6:50:00 PM EST
: Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 6:50:00 PM EST
Oldman "Pegleg" Pete, Thanks for the hearty information on the history of sword styles. That is really interesting. A gentleman and a scholar. And we thought you only had a rapier wit!!.
J. R., thanks for the great recap! I love your descriptions of Tim--sleazebag that he is. (Creepy, I think you said). Yep, he IS. German Robles apparently plays vampires, too.
Jeanne
Jeanne
Great recap as always...
I've been following this novela, however, Cami gets on my last nerve, and Lisabetha needs to learn brail or something.
I also caught when Ferni, said "dahn" vs. "dawn", and I agree, it seems like he was just memorizing the lines...
Someone posted that in the finale of DA, Gaviota, says, "thank you for your coming", well, I had to watch that like 4 times (I taped it) AND read the subtitles, before I realized she was saying to Mr.Thomas, "thank you for your comment". He had complimented her on how radiant she was or something...
Meanwhile back to the Spanish main...production really needs to find actors that are either bi-lingul or are in actuality English or something!!!! I'm a bi-lingual interpreter, and I'm torn between indignation and LMOAF, with some of the accents!!!
I agree with everyone, whats up with Vasco and his son? Did the mom die giving birth to him? Why isn't this claried?
The novela is picking up a bit, but its awfully slow...maybe some good action will happen once Tim and his ticker will tick for the last time, and she could hook up with Rico-sauve Antillano.
Post a Comment
I've been following this novela, however, Cami gets on my last nerve, and Lisabetha needs to learn brail or something.
I also caught when Ferni, said "dahn" vs. "dawn", and I agree, it seems like he was just memorizing the lines...
Someone posted that in the finale of DA, Gaviota, says, "thank you for your coming", well, I had to watch that like 4 times (I taped it) AND read the subtitles, before I realized she was saying to Mr.Thomas, "thank you for your comment". He had complimented her on how radiant she was or something...
Meanwhile back to the Spanish main...production really needs to find actors that are either bi-lingul or are in actuality English or something!!!! I'm a bi-lingual interpreter, and I'm torn between indignation and LMOAF, with some of the accents!!!
I agree with everyone, whats up with Vasco and his son? Did the mom die giving birth to him? Why isn't this claried?
The novela is picking up a bit, but its awfully slow...maybe some good action will happen once Tim and his ticker will tick for the last time, and she could hook up with Rico-sauve Antillano.
<< Home
© Caray, Caray! 2006-2022. Duplication of this material for use on any other site is strictly prohibited.
