Thursday, April 10, 2008
4/9/08, Pasión: Birth, Burials, and Blame To Go Around
As Auxiliadora takes our sanctimonious San[c]tiago and the judgmental Justo to see Cami, she warns them that her child was stillborn and that Cami has childbed fever, something, she tells them, “that very few ever survive.” In the background Auxi alternates between grunts and whines to say that she is only a humble midwife and has done all that she could. The rest is up to God --This includes of course, helping Cami along as best she could to meet her maker, by either poisoning or purposely infecting her with filth from the dead baby’s delivery so she can complete the Devil’s deal she made with both Fran and LaFont.
Sanctiago, now sporting a giant gold cross at least 100 times the size of most which highlights his otherwise understated elegance like some flashing neon sign (underscoring for some out there in Viewerville that the bigger the cross, the greater the hypocrite), sees the empty cradle and breaks down, weeping at Cami’s bedside. “It was my fault, all my fault,” he sobs. While Cami deliriously asks for her baby, Justo, also impactado from grief and guilt, insists from the foot of her bed and on his knees that there has to be something they can do.
Back in San Fernando at LaFont’s bedside Jorge has arrived and asks him about his injuries. Al shouts angrily to Jorge, “Do you see how that damned Antillano left me? I’m one eyed now!” “—So it was he?” “Yes, and if it weren’t for your son’s over eagerness for that woman…he got out of him where they’d put her…if he would have let the damned buccaneer take her!” Jorge apologizes to his friend for the state he’s now in. Al angrily shouts back, “Is that all you have to say?” “-What else do you want to hear?” Al says something like he could be sorry he let him ever get involved in that monstrosity of a business with pirates since he ended up losing an eye.
Jorge looks as if to say perhaps, but he frankly does not seem all that upset that this power mad, one-time right-hand man of his is now absent his left eye. Al continues his story and tells him that it was El Chino who betrayed him and handed him over. “—do you realize what that means? If Ric persuaded El Chino, then he could convince Foreman that he should hand us over.” He begs Jorge then to let the pirate have the woman and be done with this damned nightmare. Jorge tells him he’s too agitated right now and to wait till he’s calmed down and feeling better in a couple of days. Then they’ll think it over.
Outside in the living room Mannie, Lis and Fran wait to hear what Jorge and Alberto have talked about. Jorge fibs and says it was robbers who attacked, beat him to a pulp and lost him his eye. “However, better an eye than losing his life,” Jorge says with a royal shrug. The three women cross themselves to ward off the evil eye.
Ascanio, Ofelia and Jime finally arrive in Garbancillo. Inside the hacienda the priest tells Sancti that a stillborn baby cannot be buried in sacred ground. Ofelia and the others find Sancti and ask about Cami. He tells them briefly what happened and that not only did the baby die stillborn, but that Cami now has puerperal (childbed) fever. They are all three impactados since they know the odds are steep that she can ever survive it.
Auxi visits the stable where the farm girl, Conchita, is currently recuperating. Poncho who works the stables asks her to convince Conchita to marry him since he’s fine with raising the child as his own and is certain that it will square things with Conchita’s father as well. Inside she finds Conchita who is unaware she’s been wet nursing Ric and Cami’s baby or that her child was the one that really died.
Unschooled and ignorant, Conchita tells Auxiliadora that she doesn’t understand why her baby is light-skinned since she and her family are all dark. The old midwife slyly tells her that the baby is just a bit pale and sickly right now. She quickly changes the subject to say that in a couple of days she’ll come back for her because she wants to take her and her baby to her home so he’ll grow up healthy and strong. Conchita is overcome with tears of appreciation, but it’s tough luck for love-struck Poncho, though, since he apparently doesn’t fit into Auxi’s current plans.
A bit later, in an unconsecrated section of the local cemetery there, Justo, Sancti and the others bury Conchita’s baby believing it to be Cami’s. The priest gives his benediction while Ascanio and Jimena solemnly look on.
Feverish, Cami arrives back at her father’s house with the others. Ofelia gives orders to ready everything because Camila has come back home very ill. As Vasco and Sancti work to take her out of the carriage, Cami in her delirium subconsciously refuses to let Santiago help her out. With a great leap of logic he is convinced that now she hates him, but Justo insists she is unaware and simply delirious from the fever.
Sanctiago, and Justo start doing a fair bit of soul-searching afterward, feeling terribly guilty about the calamity they’ve caused. (I’d say better to be thinking about saving those hairy hides of theirs that Ric and company will soon be tanning once Antillano finds out and believes they’ve caused the death of his only child!) At the palace Jorge, wearing an even bigger cross than his son’s, asks him if he saw what Ric did to Alberto. Sancti says yes and explains to Jorge what happened to Cami and adds that he blames himself. Jorge tells him that it was simply circumstances and suggests that they talk about it later after Sancti’s had a chance to clean up from the trip.
Across town, Justo is looking forlornly off into space. Paco harasses his granddad with questions about his aunt Cami and why Justo seems so sad. When the little boy questions him about his new little cousin, Justo denies there ever was a little cousin. Paco doesn’t quite know why, but somehow realizes he better forget he ever heard anything about a baby cousin of his Aunt Camila’s.
Upstairs, meantime, Ofelia, Ines and Jime are nursing Cami’s fever. Ines wonders who Cami is mumbling about, the baby or Ric. Jime says she’s going to die when she finds out about the baby.
Over at the tavern Ascanio and Vasco discuss his sister’s predicament. Vasco accuses Sanctiago for causing this tragedy, but Ascanio says it actually was Justo’s idea, though he’s not defending him. Vasco blames his father too, but says as for Sancti, his interest in this was petty and mean and that he had no right to meddle. The only reason he did it was to keep Ric from finding Cami; and he’s certain it was because ever since Rita died Sancti has been keen on now being free to marry her. Of course, that probably will never come about because as far as he is concerned Cami knows she’d never be happy with him.
Ascanio agrees and says that Ric is not about to forget her either and from what he overheard the captain of the guard say, Ric managed to escape. Vasco wonders if Ric is still around there or left for parts unknown. Ascanio hasn’t the foggiest but says he knows the guy is not one to give up or give in. They sit down at a table and Vasco adds that he’s glad Ric took out Alberto’s eye; if it had been him he’d have killed the sorry S.O.B.
Talk turns to Ascanio and Mannie. Vasco tells him that if they love each other he should fight for her. Ascanio says it’s hopeless, and he does not want her to suffer because of him. Vasco insists that she might really suffer if he lets her daddy marry her off to somebody. The two worry then about Justo and figure that if anything happens now to Cami so soon after Rita’s death that he won’t be able to survive it.
Across the way Sofia pays a visit to Ines and asks for Cami. Ines fills her in and says the only ones culpable in this are her brother and father-in-law. Ines cries in frustration about their taking Cami away like that since the town is full of unwed mothers. What’s the big deal with having one more?
On the other side of town again, Auxi pays a little visit to one-eyed Al. Aunt Fran comes to the door and speaks with her first. The midwife gives Fran the news about Cami and the Big Lie and the baby. She informs her that in two months she’ll return to hand Fran over the baby who should be recovered from his premature birth by then.
Auxi then goes in to speak with Al and Fran goes to fill in Lis on their conversation about the baby and the Big Lie. Lis tells her the midwife probably is there about the business with the baby just like Clotilde told them. Lis wonders if she’s going to spill the beans about their own deal with her, but Fran isn’t so sure. So Lis, appropriately hobbling on her dead daddy’s claw-handled canes, says she’s going in to find out for herself.
Alberto wants to know from Auxi if Cami is certain to die or not. In the still dreaded presence of the bandaged and badly bouffanted Lafont, Auxi concedes that it will be very difficult for Cami to survive childbed fever. She explains then that she wasn’t able to stop Santi, as Jorge’s son, or his mother from bringing Cami back to San Fernando. She sticks to the story that Cami’s child died at birth. Al is glad to hear it was a baby boy and says the guy who fathered it doesn’t deserve descendants. (Yeah, it takes one to know one, and Al is a guy who definitely knows what he’s talking about here.)
Just then Lis knocks at Al’s door. He sends Auxi away and tells her his wife’s blind so she’s to leave without saying a word. Lis’s sense of smell, though, lets her know the old woman is still there. (Looking at this one-eyed, S.O.B., it is not lost on anyone that our Buddhist pirate from Japan, not to mention, Lis herself, might consider Al’s blinding as some sort of two-fold instant Karma for the brute who married and mistreated a blind woman just to lay his hands on her blindingly brilliant bling.) Al claims at first that Auxi is just some beggar woman asking for alms, but then aggravated, he admits to Lis that the old country woman was the midwife that took care of Cami. He gives Lis the well-received news that Cami is back home now and very ill. He regurgitates the Big Lie he was given, that her child was stillborn. Lis smiles to herself, well out of LaFont’s now limited view, and hypocritically laments, “Poor thing.” Al spits back a contemptible “better she is freed from having to care for some worthless kid.”
That same morning Ascanio and Mannie meet again for another walk in the park. She tells him about her father and that she’s heard about what happened to Cami. He’s a bit distant. She wonders what’s the matter with him and if he regrets their relationship. He assures her that if she were like either Ines or Rita he’d already have spoken to her father, but since she’s highborn, the class distinction is a barrier that they simply cannot overcome. She says love is the only thing that matters. He asks her then if she’s ready and willing to live in a hut and wash clothes and sweep the floor. She smiles and says sure. He thinks this is endearing and kisses her for it. A minute later she lets him know that her father wants to marry her off to Sancti. (Mannie does have a rather naive way of coming out with the gossip at the oddest times, don’t ya think?) Ascanio is confused and more than a bit upset from the jealous jolt this little tidbit of gossip gives him.
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That night, in Cami’s room Justo suffers from belated pangs of conscience. He confesses to Ofelia that if Cami dies from this he wants to die too. Ofelia suggests that praying is their only option now. Justo laments that he probably should have just let Ric take her off.
Speaking of Ric, the next morning Mario, Pablo and he finally manage to limp back to their safe-house on Coralina Island. Pablo heads off to see his mother. La Paisana greets him at the study door and asks how things went. He tells her that no one died, but they failed even to get a glimpse of Camila. Paisana reiterates what Antillano had told them a few nights back when they were wounded: the experience of age teaches one that shrewdness is better than the audacity of impetuous youth. She tells him that now they all will need to recover from their wounds and Antillano from his wounded spirit as well. Pablo smiles at his mother’s wisdom.
Back at the palace Ursula and Fortunata are entertaining themselves by scandalizing themselves with gossip about Cami. Fortunata is sure she left 4 months ago because she got pregnant. Just then Sofia returns and Ursula teases her about why they never get to visit with Camila since she’s constantly over there. What could the problem be? Sofia answers that she won’t take them visiting with her not only because they’re a couple of gossips but because she just doesn’t want to be bothered. She goes inside and the two younger women surmise that either the baby was born and died and then Cami got sick, or the baby was born and then given away. Fortunata is certain that both Sanctiago and Sofia are well aware of what happened.
Meanwhile, at the church Sancti goes to make confession and he tells the priest that he’s burdened by the guilt he feels. If he’d only let Cami go off with the pirate then the baby wouldn’t have been born prematurely or have died. Now she’s very sick and he can’t live if she dies after all of this. He screams that God cannot do this to him and the priest warns him against blaspheming. Sancti, conveniently forgetting that it takes two to tango, tells the priest that just when he and she were finally going to be able to be together after all that had happened to them, this occurs. (I guess this Divine Right business is a real head-trip for him.) He tells the priest he was even ready to accept the child and to love it as his own. (Excuse me. Earth to Sancti. The kid has a father already. You are an extraneous entity in this matter.) The priest tells him to pray for the ability to accept God’s will (Divine Rights aside, of course).
Sancti says this time he refuses to resign himself --and I gotta say the range of emotions from anger to grief to lust, jealousy, arrogance and steely resolve that he conveys to the priest here is palpable. Sancti is adamant that he simply cannot and will not do that again. His jealousy overcomes him and he blames Ric for everything then. “If that wretch hadn’t come into her life then none of this would have happened!”
The priest tells him that it isn’t right for him to harbor so much bitterness against this other man, but Sancti says he cannot help himself. “Do you really believe that I can avoid it? Do you really believe I can control this fire that burns inside of me every time I think about the man who stole Camila’s love from me?” “—He didn’t steal anything. When she came back you were already married.” “--But not anymore!!” he screams back at the priest. “Pray. Pray.” Sancti is distraught and looking more and more crazed by the minute.
A bit later Sanctiago, still very down in the mouth, goes by the city hall to check in with Ascanio. Ascanio mentions that he has found a few reports that don’t square, but Sancti looks so depressed they skip that and he asks if something has happened to Cami. He says no, but the guilt is killing him. Ascanio defers and says he was only doing what he felt he had to do at the time.
He changes the subject to Manuela. “I know that Alberto wants to marry Manuela off to you.” Sancti is taken by surprise and asks who told him, if it was Mannie. Ascanio answers only that he just knows. Sancti says he holds a great deal of affection for Manuela, but well, he knows the two of them are in love with each other, and besides, Cami is the love of his life. Ascanio wonders though if in time he might change his mind. Sancti says it’s not likely and he prays that in time Cami will come to understand that God has meant them to be destined for each other.
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Back across the sea at Coralina Island, Foreman and Antillano finally parlay. Foreman asks him if he’s paid the debt for his woman even though he lost her. Antillano says, “Only temporarily.” Foreman says he’d heard he nearly died but survived by a miracle. Antillano answers him that when there’s a reason to live you fight the Devil himself and this pleases Foreman. “So you are fully recuperated?” “—Yes.” “Well, you promised and I’d like you to pay me back before you die.”
Antillano asks when they’re going and if the target is a fleet or a port city? Foreman says soon they’ll be launching one last, big operation. It will be a port city: Puerto Paraiso. Antillano is very negatively impactado with this news since that port is the most important and best fortified in all of New Spain. Foreman says that’s precisely why he’s chosen it, because troops in a fortress rely on the enemy’s fear. The guards become overconfident and thus lazy and careless. Antillano warns him it’s a serious risk for his posse and they could all die. Foreman says yes, everyone could die or everybody could come back very rich. He reminds Antillano that he gave his word. Antillano says he knows that already and he’s not going back on it. Just tell him when. Foreman smiles back in eager anticipation.
Antillano returns to the safe-house afterward and gives the inner circle the details. Paisana thinks the Englishman has gone completely crazy, but Antillano says it’s precisely because the Spanish would never suspect such audacity from them that he’s chosen Puerto Paraiso. They have three months till the attack so they have time to go back for Cami and the baby once more. He’s hoping the town will have let its guard down by now. He confides in Mario that it was shocking how much hatred the town felt for him. He truly fears for his child’s safety now. So, two weeks from now, when the Salamandra is ready, they’ll return for them both. Paisana and Pablo share surprised looks at each other.
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Days later, Cami finally wakes up from her fever and asks to see her child. Ofelia praises the Lord and Jimena tells her that Ric came looking for her and what he told Jime about coming back for her, and that she should stay resolute. Eventually though she tells Cami that her child was stillborn. Cami is filled with so much grief (definitely a 3 hanky scene) that it is heartbreaking for the two women to watch.
Cami now vehemently detests her father and Santiago. Like a possessed woman, she races outside and down the stairs looking for her father raging at him, insisting that it was entirely his and Sanctiago’s fault that her baby died. “What moral right did you think you had in separating me from my child and imprisoning me in that tomb of a house? You had no pity on me, not even for my child when I begged you! All that time in there because you wanted to keep Ricardo from finding me! What kind of Christians are you? Where did you leave your compassion? What did I ever do to you to that you would have hurt me so much? I told you what was the best for me was to be with Ricardo. If you’d have let me go my child would still be alive in my belly!! ”
“—But we can’t know that!” says Justo, more than a bit bewildered by the ferocity of Cami’s anger and resentment. She screams back at him, “I-I-I know!! I-I-I know!” “--Ricardo is a far better man than you or Santiago, in every sense of the word! He might have robbed or killed, but honorably. You knifed me in the back and betrayed me in the worst way. I am sorry, but if it is a sin to love him then so be it because I do love him and I will never ever stop loving him!” Ofelia and Jime walk Cami back upstairs then. Jime gives Justo a last look of reproach. Justo stands there clinging to his grandson as tears roll down his cheek, broken, ashamed, and in pain.
Later in the day Sancti visits his mother and tells her he really needs to speak with Cami and to ask her forgiveness. Ofelia warns him against it and says she’s in too much pain right now. He asks if she knows about Rita yet. Ofelia says it hasn’t been a good time for that either, yet. She needs time to mourn first for her child. He asks her what else could he have done, just let the man carry her off? Ofelia says it’s not her place to say. His conscience must dictate that.
That night Ines and Jime go to console Cami who cannot control her tears. She says she doesn’t know how she’ll tell Ric about the baby when he comes back for her. Then it occurs to her that she doesn’t know where it was even buried. She has to go see the grave. They talk her into waiting a bit longer till she’s better. She tells them she has to move away from there and there is no way she will live with either her father or in Sanctiago’s home, even if it’s with Ofelia.
At supper downstairs, the family discusses Cami’s urge to leave. Jime says she understood Cami meant to leave town. Vasco wonders how she’s going to live and thinks it’s just foolishness. Jime says perhaps it’s to find Ric somehow. Vasco and Ascanio say he could be anywhere, in La Mariana, at sea or who knows. It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Ascanio says one thing’s for certain, though, Ric risked his life coming back for her and he is probably planning something else that will succeed this time. Jime wonders what he’ll do when he finds out the baby died. Ines wonders if that means he might try to kill her brother. Ascanio and Vasco share a worried look.
Vasco goes up to speak with Cami then to persuade her to stay there because sooner or later Ric will come back for her. He says that if she’s not there this search business could go on forever. He tells her to understand their father: he was afraid that people would point at her and being an old man, set in his ways and thinking of things a certain way, as the head of the family he really felt it was for her own good. Cami says she understands, but it was at the cost of an innocent life. It was her son’s life and whatever he might say or think now will never fix the harm he’s caused. She cries and tells Vasco that Ric never had a family and he wanted this child so he could finally have one.
Vasco tells Cami he understands her resentment for their father and Sancti, but what about the rest of them? They’re her family too. They need and love her too. She agrees to stay and wait for Ric to return as Vasco is certain he will.
A few days later the family goes to the gravesite and they have an impromptu memorial service. A couple of days after that Sancti comes to talk to Cami at Justo’s. He says he knows how she feels and what she thinks about what her father told her. In short, he’s sorry for the death of the baby. It’s just that going off with that man wouldn’t have been the proper life for her. She stops him short, “—But that IS my life! So, is that all you have to tell me? Be brief because I really don’t think there’s much else we have to discuss.”
Sanctiago says mainly he wanted to ask for her forgiveness, but there is something else that he’d hoped to wait to tell Cami until she’d recuperated further, but….. She immediately thinks something has happened to Ric. “No. Rita,” he replies. “She died three and a half months ago.” Cami looks as if she’s ready to faint.
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Thanks for the great recap. Our beloved Minnesota Wild had their first playoff game last night (lost in overtime), so I was quite distracted and the men in the house were reticent to give up the remote.
What little I saw and even with the wonderful recap, I still have no pity for Santi. He is just an arrogant, self-righteous idiot. Ironic that our oh so pious jrSenor would blame G-d and of course Ric, for the situation he created. I thought it was great that the priest pointed out that Ric did nothing wrong.
Min MN
What little I saw and even with the wonderful recap, I still have no pity for Santi. He is just an arrogant, self-righteous idiot. Ironic that our oh so pious jrSenor would blame G-d and of course Ric, for the situation he created. I thought it was great that the priest pointed out that Ric did nothing wrong.
Min MN
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: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 10:39:00 AM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 10:39:00 AM EDT
I agree, Min - it's very easy to be sorry *after* all your plans have gone wrong. Justo was already having second thoughts about what they were doing to Cami, but Santi still doesn't really see why what he did was wrong.
As for the news about Rita - all I can say is that there are no words to describe how angry I would be if someone waited three and a half months to tell me about that. Even with a crummy sister like Rita.
As for the news about Rita - all I can say is that there are no words to describe how angry I would be if someone waited three and a half months to tell me about that. Even with a crummy sister like Rita.
WOW! the scene where Camila tells Justo off! I had been so-so about the character of Camila and the actress, but she really delivered in that scene, and in the subsequent scenes where she's heartbroken. Every episode has something dramatic that moves the story forward and keeps me on the edge of my seat.
And the scene with Paco and Justo - at this point I was hoping that the kid would give the old man a final stroke/heart attack.
Now ... Santiago's just broken the news that Rita's dead - want to bet that the next episode has him telling Camila that she has to marry him? (this is a guess - I'm not watching any as-yet-unaired episodes) Hope she gives him the same talking-to she gave Justo!
(And the big giant cross Santiago's wearing - that's the one he got at the ceremony where Jorge formally recognized him as a Mancera.)
And the scene with Paco and Justo - at this point I was hoping that the kid would give the old man a final stroke/heart attack.
Now ... Santiago's just broken the news that Rita's dead - want to bet that the next episode has him telling Camila that she has to marry him? (this is a guess - I'm not watching any as-yet-unaired episodes) Hope she gives him the same talking-to she gave Justo!
(And the big giant cross Santiago's wearing - that's the one he got at the ceremony where Jorge formally recognized him as a Mancera.)
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 11:24:00 AM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 11:24:00 AM EDT
I also loved Camila tearing Justo a new A-hole. I've been wanting to do that for a month, I hope to God she tells off Santiago too.
I have to say that Susana did a awesome job conveying the pain, grief, and angry Camila felt when she found out about the death of her baby. The way she lashed out at her father and said everything that I'd been thinking was powerful. When Ric finds out what they did to Camila and to his son I'd hate to be in those two jerks shoes. InJusto looks like he's truly sorry for causing Camila pain but Sanctiomonious Santi thinks this was divine intervention because he and Camila are destined for each other. What he doesn't seem to get is that Camila found her soulmate when she found Ric. Looking forward to what happens next and how long it will be before Camila remembers that she heard the baby crying after he was born
When Camilla rejected Sankti carrying her and clung to Vasco I was glad. And as you eloquently put it Jardinera: "With a great leap of logic he is convinced that now she hates him..."
But when inJusto told Sankti its just the fever, I talked to the TV. No, its not.
Manohman, Justo chooses to polish powerful shoes. I don't think its the family trait about denial; or him being insensitive. He has perhaps faked those things in the past. But his true nature IS self survival at whatever the cost to anyone. He and inSanity are a matched set.
But when inJusto told Sankti its just the fever, I talked to the TV. No, its not.
Manohman, Justo chooses to polish powerful shoes. I don't think its the family trait about denial; or him being insensitive. He has perhaps faked those things in the past. But his true nature IS self survival at whatever the cost to anyone. He and inSanity are a matched set.
Well, well.....Cami did a fine job of telling off inJusto!!! He's at least feeling guilty and really, really stupid for what he let happen. I also hope she lashes out at Santi too, especially how he lets her know about gRita's death!
This novela is so good right now that I hate to see it end! Hopefully in the near future there will be another period novela.(with Ric and Mario in it!)
Can't wait for tonight's show!!!
This novela is so good right now that I hate to see it end! Hopefully in the near future there will be another period novela.(with Ric and Mario in it!)
Can't wait for tonight's show!!!
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 12:08:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 12:08:00 PM EDT
POW! Right between the eyes! Cami dished it out pretty well, I must say. Didn't take any of good old Dad's b.s. Loved it. I'm sorry I can't watch tonight because I'm hoping she gives Saintly a dose as well. "Marry you???? What, are you insane? YOU KILLED MY CHILD!" Hint to Saintly: not a good way to convince a woman to marry you. Move on, boy, that ship has sailed.
How will our favorite pirate sort all of this out? They really put this in hyperdrive, if we're in our last weeks of Pasion. Notice how the recap at the beginning of the show is much shorter? I wonder if they ran out of $$ and someone told Carla "speed it up, sister."
Thanks so much for the great recaps, one and all. I can't keep up with the conversations & the recaps fill in so much detail.
:-)
How will our favorite pirate sort all of this out? They really put this in hyperdrive, if we're in our last weeks of Pasion. Notice how the recap at the beginning of the show is much shorter? I wonder if they ran out of $$ and someone told Carla "speed it up, sister."
Thanks so much for the great recaps, one and all. I can't keep up with the conversations & the recaps fill in so much detail.
:-)
"... one-eyed Al.."
"...join the pirate gang... a patch and a parrot...
You people make reading at work enjoyable!
Mannie giving Ascanio.ooo the news about her daddy's marriage plan was odd timing. Jolted him right out of his 'wait and see enjoy this moment' reverie, aay?
"...join the pirate gang... a patch and a parrot...
You people make reading at work enjoyable!
Mannie giving Ascanio.ooo the news about her daddy's marriage plan was odd timing. Jolted him right out of his 'wait and see enjoy this moment' reverie, aay?
I noticed the size of the crosses when Sankti's bio-dad placed it on him. That cross wearing was probably to do with the historic relationship between the church and royalty. The other clothing design that caught my eye was that design on his long vest, so elaborate and rotated spiky wheel looking sign. One day I'll do a google images search.
Any further information about that painting Ricardo was hiding behind?
Any further information about that painting Ricardo was hiding behind?
Other ODD timing for news flash I think was when inSanity told Camilla her sister died months ago. He's telling her this right on the heels of sermonizing about the wrongness of her relationship with Ricardo.
So.ooo.oo blind Santiago! Your goal is not her goal, your life is not her life, never, ever, and then some.
So.ooo.oo blind Santiago! Your goal is not her goal, your life is not her life, never, ever, and then some.
Seeing a pale Cami dressed in black kissing the ground of her dead baby's grave was very touching.Dirt smeared and weeping, she was a sad sight. I got the impression from the previews that a plague will keep Ric and the boys in the Carolinas for a bit.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 1:20:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 1:20:00 PM EDT
I believe the painting was by the British painter Joshua Reynolds, the famous portrait artist.mhm
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 1:24:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 1:24:00 PM EDT
Thanks for the recap Jardinera. Wow!! It was awesome watching Cami lash into her Dad. I really think if the baby had not "died" she might have forgiven him (and the other idiot). But b/c they caused the death of her child (her future family with Ricardo) it brought out the lionness in her.
As Captain Morgan said, Santi or Sancti (that's great Jardinera) how clueless can you be?!! Yeah your sister died three months ago and since we were hiding and lying to you at that time anyway, we didn't tell you. And oh by the way let's get married. Can't you see it's God's will. I can't wait to see her unleash her fury on this imbecile. Here's hoping it's at least as good as her rage against her Dad.
I'm so excited for tonight and so sad this novela will be ending. But I long to see our couple together and happy again soon.
As Captain Morgan said, Santi or Sancti (that's great Jardinera) how clueless can you be?!! Yeah your sister died three months ago and since we were hiding and lying to you at that time anyway, we didn't tell you. And oh by the way let's get married. Can't you see it's God's will. I can't wait to see her unleash her fury on this imbecile. Here's hoping it's at least as good as her rage against her Dad.
I'm so excited for tonight and so sad this novela will be ending. But I long to see our couple together and happy again soon.
Jardinera: Beautiful recap. I had to watch this episode on YouTube since I'm out of town and the hotel does not receive univision or televisa, or whatever.
Anyway, it's just not the same as watching and listening at home, which makes your recap all the more valuable to a Pasion adicta like myself.
I am still totally suspicious of Auxi. I thought she might even had done something awful to Conchita and her baby to make the evil plans of Boufy, Lis and Fran work out to her advantage. She is such a bad character what a telenovela coincidence that she would hook up with the likes of them. As the old saying goes, "it ain't over 'til its over."
You have all noted the almost unbelievable change in Santi so I'll say no more.
At the beginning of this novela, I really didn't like the Cami character or the actress in the role. But, now I am a firm Cami supporter. She is putting it all together and figuring out who her friends are - although, true to herself, she is not becoming embittered by her circumstances.
Love this novela - anybody know how many episodes are left?
Anyway, it's just not the same as watching and listening at home, which makes your recap all the more valuable to a Pasion adicta like myself.
I am still totally suspicious of Auxi. I thought she might even had done something awful to Conchita and her baby to make the evil plans of Boufy, Lis and Fran work out to her advantage. She is such a bad character what a telenovela coincidence that she would hook up with the likes of them. As the old saying goes, "it ain't over 'til its over."
You have all noted the almost unbelievable change in Santi so I'll say no more.
At the beginning of this novela, I really didn't like the Cami character or the actress in the role. But, now I am a firm Cami supporter. She is putting it all together and figuring out who her friends are - although, true to herself, she is not becoming embittered by her circumstances.
Love this novela - anybody know how many episodes are left?
You wrote so well of what I felt I was seeing:
"Sancti says this time he refuses to resign himself --and I gotta say the range of emotions from anger to grief to lust, jealousy, arrogance and steely resolve that he conveys to the priest here is palpable. Sancti is adamant that he simply cannot and will not do that again. His jealousy overcomes him and he blames Ric for everything then."
The actor's fluid, hit the kernel of truth and bounce off, was awesome to experience.
When I watch productions by Estrada I often feel I am seeing captured some sincerely special moments of performance. No, not everyone and in every scene but mements captured when something unique in/by the actor is shown.
"Sancti says this time he refuses to resign himself --and I gotta say the range of emotions from anger to grief to lust, jealousy, arrogance and steely resolve that he conveys to the priest here is palpable. Sancti is adamant that he simply cannot and will not do that again. His jealousy overcomes him and he blames Ric for everything then."
The actor's fluid, hit the kernel of truth and bounce off, was awesome to experience.
When I watch productions by Estrada I often feel I am seeing captured some sincerely special moments of performance. No, not everyone and in every scene but mements captured when something unique in/by the actor is shown.
Camila is showing the strength that Ric saw in her on the Salamandra and why he was so smitten with her from the first moment he saw her. Camila is a strong woman who doesn't let the hardships she's endured destroy her integrity of who she is at her core. I'm looking forward to Camila give Sanctimonious Santi a verbal smackdown like she gave her father. Now he wants to break the news to her that "by the way your sister died three months ago and let's get married because it's our destiny" I can't wait to see Camila's reaction to that tonight and it did look like Ric will be stuck at La Coralina due to some type of plague hitting the town per the previews.
I wish Paco had not been a witness to that scene between his Tia and his Abuelo. Poor kid, he must be so confused with all the tragedies and other goings on he's experienced in his family.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:03:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:03:00 PM EDT
Pasofino, it depends on how they cut it, but there are about 12 hours left. I'd guess the final will be 4/25.
Pascal
Pascal
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:08:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:08:00 PM EDT
Notice at the end of the opening credits that Tia Fran is between the defunct Barnabe and the dearly departed Rita. I wonder if this is a hint that she's getting just desserts soon. Can't imagine how or who would do it. Or maybe it's just a line of the terminally cranky.
Susana Gonzalez's acting was just right last night. She didn't go overboard.
Great and funny recap.
Susana Gonzalez's acting was just right last night. She didn't go overboard.
Great and funny recap.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:10:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:10:00 PM EDT
Dear Jardinera, Your translation was magnificent and you were able to convey so many of the feelings I too had while watching this wrenching, riveting episode. I have a sometime wish that this telenovela would go on and on but this compacting of double and triple whammys per episode is such a thrill. Who would want to forgo that?
San(c)tiago's scene with the priest at confession was one fine, fine piece of acting and finally the priest got in some good licks/lines, he could tell this sinner wasn't really remorseful. Great acting to make everyone scream at the tv screen.
Camlla had two powerful scenes showing the depth of her passion, grief and rage with the well-deserved rage at her father and the heartbreakingly tender scene at the baby's gravesite. I have always been a Susanna fan and my faith in her is proving out. Hope she wins awards for this role.
The patch-sporting Bouffy and Lis licking her lips at his agony in a reverse way reminded me of the Spanish dicho that may have been put here already but is worth repeating:
"En el pais de los ciegos, el tuerto es rey", Or, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Since Bouffy seems to be simmering in his hateful rage, Lis really better look out. She seemed smirky when she found out he had lost sight in only one eye, like what's the big deal buddy...
San(c)tiago's scene with the priest at confession was one fine, fine piece of acting and finally the priest got in some good licks/lines, he could tell this sinner wasn't really remorseful. Great acting to make everyone scream at the tv screen.
Camlla had two powerful scenes showing the depth of her passion, grief and rage with the well-deserved rage at her father and the heartbreakingly tender scene at the baby's gravesite. I have always been a Susanna fan and my faith in her is proving out. Hope she wins awards for this role.
The patch-sporting Bouffy and Lis licking her lips at his agony in a reverse way reminded me of the Spanish dicho that may have been put here already but is worth repeating:
"En el pais de los ciegos, el tuerto es rey", Or, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Since Bouffy seems to be simmering in his hateful rage, Lis really better look out. She seemed smirky when she found out he had lost sight in only one eye, like what's the big deal buddy...
Dear Anon at 02:03, I thought just the opposite of Paco seeing Camila and Justo's scene. Nobody tells the truth to this little guy yet he seems to speak some of the truest words just because he is so observant. This time he got to see behind the lies and myth his grandfather was feeding him.
I loved that Ric stepped out from behind a beautiful painting of a child in an idyllic peaceful setting. In contrast to the violence that ensued it was so evocative of his love for children and desire to protect them. Hope he gets to live out that scene with his own in the end.
I loved that Ric stepped out from behind a beautiful painting of a child in an idyllic peaceful setting. In contrast to the violence that ensued it was so evocative of his love for children and desire to protect them. Hope he gets to live out that scene with his own in the end.
Now that we are in the ultimas semanas, I feel that the acting throughout this telenovela has just been superb by everyone even little Paco.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:35:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:35:00 PM EDT
Thank you for the very descriprive recap.
What a great episode - again! I was so moved when the girls told Cami that her baby had "died". I could actually feel her pain.
I was so thrilled when she started yelling at Justo. I understand that he seems to have regreted and that he's her father and everything but I am still very angry at him. He is her father, he should have known better, he should have understood her desires and he should have been able to stop Santi. Of course, I think that Santi cannot understand, he's full of rage and I highly doubt that he has regreted.
A question: How old is Paco? I think that someone had mentioned that he is 8? I can' t understand why they treat him like he's 3. And by saying "them" I also mean the writers. I think that he would be able to figure out - not everything - but something.
What a great episode - again! I was so moved when the girls told Cami that her baby had "died". I could actually feel her pain.
I was so thrilled when she started yelling at Justo. I understand that he seems to have regreted and that he's her father and everything but I am still very angry at him. He is her father, he should have known better, he should have understood her desires and he should have been able to stop Santi. Of course, I think that Santi cannot understand, he's full of rage and I highly doubt that he has regreted.
A question: How old is Paco? I think that someone had mentioned that he is 8? I can' t understand why they treat him like he's 3. And by saying "them" I also mean the writers. I think that he would be able to figure out - not everything - but something.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:44:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:44:00 PM EDT
CherylNewMex I thought the same thing about Ric being behind a painting of a child being a reflection of his love for children. I too hope that his desire for a family does come true. That's the one thing he has always wanted and I hope that he gets it and that the truth about what really happened to his and Camila's son comes out soon. Anon 2:35 ITA. The acting has been superb from the entire cast. Truly an ensemble.
Another great recap. Thanks!
SG was superb in this episode.
And I mi querido Ricardo is not vindictive at all. So I don't think he's going to kill Lafónt or el Santurrón. He believes in justice and defense.
SG was superb in this episode.
And I mi querido Ricardo is not vindictive at all. So I don't think he's going to kill Lafónt or el Santurrón. He believes in justice and defense.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:49:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:49:00 PM EDT
Well, I gotta eat my words. I posted yesterday that I thought Santiago might really have seen the error of his ways because of the death of the child and near-death of Camila. Wrong! The scene with the priest, which I agree Rulli nailed, definitely shows he still lives in the land of "denial ain't a river in Egypt".
The scene with Camila and her father was magnificent. Kudos to Susana. I was disappointed in the very last scene, however, when she calmly, if coldly, greets Santiago. Why didn't she rip into him as well? Or maybe they're saving her rage for when he brings up the marriage idea.
The scene with Camila and her father was magnificent. Kudos to Susana. I was disappointed in the very last scene, however, when she calmly, if coldly, greets Santiago. Why didn't she rip into him as well? Or maybe they're saving her rage for when he brings up the marriage idea.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:54:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:54:00 PM EDT
Now was that painting chosen because of the inherent joke of where the child is pointing? (I got a kick out of it.)
But I'm on a roll so must look for a possible story behind the portrait.
;-)
But I'm on a roll so must look for a possible story behind the portrait.
;-)
I think that Ric's dream about Camila and the baby is a prophetic one. He is the one who gives the baby to Camila.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:59:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 2:59:00 PM EDT
Capt. Bonny Morgan, I don't think it is the exact picture. I am pretty sure the child was looking the other way (but actually toward Bouffy when he came in) and I don't think that child was pointing, and the background was a bit lighter, but it sure seems like it is from the same series and is very close and must be a Joshua Reynolds. Good catch, whoever did the research on this. I didn't recognize Reynolds' work. Were you the original identifier, Capt Bon??
Anon at 2:59, I loved that dreamy pink light scene of Ric handing the baby to Camila too. Wonderful that he had those dreamy thoughts just as Camila was giving birth and he knew the baby wasn't due yet so it seemed prophetic that he had it then. And I too hope the rest of the prophecy is true that he will rescue their son in the near future. I worry about the bambino living in such filth but at least the beautiful young woman is so thrilled she is pouring love out at the baby so perhaps that will protect him from the germy environment. And another thing (well it's too windy and sandy right now to walk the dog so here I am hanging on the site) I am keeping the episodes on my Google head page with a Youtube widget tuned to the current episode each day and the segment that has that scene is actually using the beautiful pink dream vision as the lead picture. This really interests me since I am working with Animoto and iMovie to put my photos in flash mode and AnimotoAddicts discusses things like how to get a compelling attractive front image so people on Youtube want to enter the clip. Great stuff, and I am so glad I gave up my day job so I can spend hours doing searches for Reynolds and thinking about attractive Youtube pics.....
Susana has, indeed, nailed the emotions - I was almost in tears when she was lying across the baby's grave, sobbing.
When she met with Santiago (and she looked lovely in the simple black gown), it was as though she'd poured out her emotions - anger to her father, grief at the grave - and had reached the point where she wasn't reacting to him at all ... or perhaps remaining polite due to his position.
BUT! we know he's going to tell her she should marry him - he'll probably phrase it as "oh yes, Rita confessed she'd destroyed the letter you sent begging to be rescued and you are obligated to fulfill her dying wish and marry me". (I wonder if there are any blunt instruments in the room? or something sharp?) Our Camila seems to have learned that there's a point at which sacrificing yourself on the altar of duty and family obligations comes to an end ... and she's well past that.
Wow ... I can barely wait for tonight's episode!
Toddson
When she met with Santiago (and she looked lovely in the simple black gown), it was as though she'd poured out her emotions - anger to her father, grief at the grave - and had reached the point where she wasn't reacting to him at all ... or perhaps remaining polite due to his position.
BUT! we know he's going to tell her she should marry him - he'll probably phrase it as "oh yes, Rita confessed she'd destroyed the letter you sent begging to be rescued and you are obligated to fulfill her dying wish and marry me". (I wonder if there are any blunt instruments in the room? or something sharp?) Our Camila seems to have learned that there's a point at which sacrificing yourself on the altar of duty and family obligations comes to an end ... and she's well past that.
Wow ... I can barely wait for tonight's episode!
Toddson
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 3:44:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 3:44:00 PM EDT
I went and rewatched it again since my curiousity was piked and Ric is standing behind the Master Hare painting. It is quite funny where the little boy in the painting is pointing while Ric is hiding behind it.
Now I'm really hooked. Both the paintings look to be the same pose, not unusual to do that, but also look like the same child. Except one has a hook nose and the other has a bird perched on his finger.
The NYTimes article may provide some explanation, archive 1900, with the great grand something of Master ____ Hare. :)
The NYTimes article may provide some explanation, archive 1900, with the great grand something of Master ____ Hare. :)
She was pointing to her right (our left).
I think the one Capt. Bonney got to before I did (my fault, I was reading too fast and missed it) is either it, or is really, really close - either from the same series, or someone else trying to imitate his style.
I found a website where the child was pointing in the opposite direction, but I think that particular site had simply reversed the negative.
Depending on what year the painting was done and what year it's supposed to be in the novela, it could be an anachronism... but I think it's funny that Uriel just happened to have this thing in his warehouse. :)
I'm sure people paid big bucks for repros even then, but they probably commissioned those. Or more likely commissioned a portrait of someone in their own family. I doubt that there'd be a lot of mass-produced portraits of some strange British child!
I think the one Capt. Bonney got to before I did (my fault, I was reading too fast and missed it) is either it, or is really, really close - either from the same series, or someone else trying to imitate his style.
I found a website where the child was pointing in the opposite direction, but I think that particular site had simply reversed the negative.
Depending on what year the painting was done and what year it's supposed to be in the novela, it could be an anachronism... but I think it's funny that Uriel just happened to have this thing in his warehouse. :)
I'm sure people paid big bucks for repros even then, but they probably commissioned those. Or more likely commissioned a portrait of someone in their own family. I doubt that there'd be a lot of mass-produced portraits of some strange British child!
Dear Capt. Bonney, I stand corrected as the other searchers have pointed out. I went back to the Youtube for this scene. It is Pasion 82/4.2 and my memory is totally turned backwards! I agree now that your choice is definitely the painting and the child is pointing toward Ric not Bouffy. The lighter background I think is an artifact of the lighting on the set and how it recorded in my brain. What fun to look all these things up and ponder such fine details of this fascinating drama.
I think both of the pictures we linked to are hand-painted repros, it turns out, which would account for minor differences in background, etc. This is pretty common for repros - I don't know much about art, but I encountered similar confusion while researching my own favorite painting, C. M. Coolidge's "A Friend in Need."
(Google it yourself if you're curious... having outed myself as the sort of person who likes this kind of artwork, I'm too embarrassed to provide a link. ;)
As for the bird, I didn't even notice it until someone else mentioned it. LOL! I wonder if that was in the original painting. It looks silly to me!
(Google it yourself if you're curious... having outed myself as the sort of person who likes this kind of artwork, I'm too embarrassed to provide a link. ;)
As for the bird, I didn't even notice it until someone else mentioned it. LOL! I wonder if that was in the original painting. It looks silly to me!
Y'know what, that's wrong. "A Friend in Need" is my second favorite. "A Bold Bluff" is my very favorite.
But not on velvet.
But not on velvet.
Julie, You are too, too funny today. I looked up both of those pictures which will now pop up when I make similar choices in Google forever, thanks so much. But I think velvet is the true choice to enhance these masterpieces...
It was harsh that Paco had to witness Cami yelling at Justo like that, but he's a sharp enough kid (he always asks the right questions) that it didn't make any sense for Justo to hide the truth about Cami's baby from him.
Justo expends too much effort "protecting" people from things they don't need to be protected from - anything he can't deal with, he assumes no one else can deal with either. Instead, people find things out later anyway, but in an even more upsetting way.
Paco would have been better off getting the bad news from Justo when he asked, instead of a little while later from his enraged aunt.
Thanks to his and Santi's "protective" instincts, Cami is finding out about Rita's death months after the fact. Her wrath should be mighty. I really, really hope she can get through to Santi this time.
Justo expends too much effort "protecting" people from things they don't need to be protected from - anything he can't deal with, he assumes no one else can deal with either. Instead, people find things out later anyway, but in an even more upsetting way.
Paco would have been better off getting the bad news from Justo when he asked, instead of a little while later from his enraged aunt.
Thanks to his and Santi's "protective" instincts, Cami is finding out about Rita's death months after the fact. Her wrath should be mighty. I really, really hope she can get through to Santi this time.
About Tia Fran standing next to Rita in the opening sequence - I agree this is a clue that she's going to die. What I find interesting is that Lafont is not among the ghosts standing in that part of the reception line. He and Lis are still among the living. Kinda makes you go HMMM.
(You can tell I'm not getting anything else done today, can't you? I'm gonna have to work a longer day tomorrow to make up the difference, so I hope tonight's episode is a dull one that I won't feel like talking about tomorrow. ;-)
(You can tell I'm not getting anything else done today, can't you? I'm gonna have to work a longer day tomorrow to make up the difference, so I hope tonight's episode is a dull one that I won't feel like talking about tomorrow. ;-)
ooh ... it just occurred to me - in addition to Camila's grief over the baby's death, the fact that it died before being baptized means that its soul is now in limbo? purgatory? don't know enough about Catholocism to say. So Santiago and Justo not only killed her baby in this life, they've condemned it to punishment in the next.
Toddson
Toddson
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 5:16:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 5:16:00 PM EDT
Julie - I know what you mean about not getting work done when having too much fun blogging about this great novela. Your observation about LaFont and Liz is interesting. My thoughts are that Liz will live and Bouffy will die and they wanted to foreshadow their martial "bliss."
Thanks for the info Toddson as I am not Catholic. That adds more fuel to Cami's potential verbal smackdown of Sancti. If she gives him even part of what she gave her dad, Sancti might get a clue. However, his delusions are strong.
Thanks for the info Toddson as I am not Catholic. That adds more fuel to Cami's potential verbal smackdown of Sancti. If she gives him even part of what she gave her dad, Sancti might get a clue. However, his delusions are strong.
RE Babies, Baptism and Limbo Back then the general population believed in limbo, but it was never an official Church teaching. The Church, mostly under Pope John Paul II, has tried to get through to folks that a child that can't sin (too young to chose/know) cannot, in justice, be denied Heaven for eternity and thus we trust in the mercy of God that they are with Him in Heaven.
The priest who said the child couldn't be buried in sacred ground because it wasn't baptized was incorrect, but unfortunately that was not an uncommon belief. The Church believes in something called baptism by desire. If Cami and Ric truly had the intention of having the child baptized then our little Ric jr. would be "baptized" in the sense that baptism was truly desired for the child by the parents and circumstances beyond their control prevented it. Basic rule is if it's not the child's fault, the child cannot be punished for it and always trust in the mercy of God. Rules goes for adults too, although we're more likely to create many of our own problems, unless we're inSaniti, then Ric creates all of the problems in our life and we don't need to take responsibility for our own decisions.
MinMN
The priest who said the child couldn't be buried in sacred ground because it wasn't baptized was incorrect, but unfortunately that was not an uncommon belief. The Church believes in something called baptism by desire. If Cami and Ric truly had the intention of having the child baptized then our little Ric jr. would be "baptized" in the sense that baptism was truly desired for the child by the parents and circumstances beyond their control prevented it. Basic rule is if it's not the child's fault, the child cannot be punished for it and always trust in the mercy of God. Rules goes for adults too, although we're more likely to create many of our own problems, unless we're inSaniti, then Ric creates all of the problems in our life and we don't need to take responsibility for our own decisions.
MinMN
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 5:41:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 5:41:00 PM EDT
Thanks for the great recap as always.
Cami certainly said what we wanted to say to Justo. I just wish Santi was there. However, I'm not sure anything she says at this point would phase him. Also, it looks like Cami is in a more numb phase of grief now.
Anyway, Cami is certainly making it easier for me to defend her these days :-)
Cami Supporter
Cami certainly said what we wanted to say to Justo. I just wish Santi was there. However, I'm not sure anything she says at this point would phase him. Also, it looks like Cami is in a more numb phase of grief now.
Anyway, Cami is certainly making it easier for me to defend her these days :-)
Cami Supporter
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 5:41:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 5:41:00 PM EDT
With all the heartwrenching drama with Camila, it was good to see Ascanio and Manuela together again. I got a kick out of how she suggested that they flee or escape together, and hell yeah, she'd be willing to wash clothes and sweep the floors. Me too, with that hunk by my side. Mannie is working as hard as she can to be with the man she loves.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 6:08:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 6:08:00 PM EDT
Thanks, Jardinera, for that seriously satisfying summary of last night's action.
Susana G./Cami was magnificent as she denounced inJusto and just heartbreaking in her grief over the dead baby.
Sancti was excellent in his scene with the priest. He needs to listen to the priest, to hear him.
Paco does seem to be around at all the main moments. He's like the child looking at the emperor's new clothes, or lack therof, who finds a way to tell the truth.
It always scares me a little when Lis breaks out Tim's "hands of evil" canes. Maybe she can share them with LaFont and they'll toddle around town with a matching set of evil canes.
The pace and action in this tn are amazing and rewarding to watch. As others have said, all the cast is playing this to the hilt and all are entertaining.
La Paloma
Susana G./Cami was magnificent as she denounced inJusto and just heartbreaking in her grief over the dead baby.
Sancti was excellent in his scene with the priest. He needs to listen to the priest, to hear him.
Paco does seem to be around at all the main moments. He's like the child looking at the emperor's new clothes, or lack therof, who finds a way to tell the truth.
It always scares me a little when Lis breaks out Tim's "hands of evil" canes. Maybe she can share them with LaFont and they'll toddle around town with a matching set of evil canes.
The pace and action in this tn are amazing and rewarding to watch. As others have said, all the cast is playing this to the hilt and all are entertaining.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 6:22:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 6:22:00 PM EDT
I like the idea of matching canes. Of course, the idea is more appealing if Lafont loses a leg first. :)
Our Sanctimonious anti-hero obviously didn't read the "Don't make her loose her unborn child" chapter in "The Complete Hypocrite's Guide to Getting the Girl Even if You Married her Sister." I think we are meant to see Santi get his earful from Cami after he asks her to marry ('cause that's definitely where he seems to be headed). I did a little triple air snap when Ofi told Santi that it was up to him and his conscience whether he did the right thing. It's kind of like the story of the man who got the flood report and stayed in his house praying and then complained to God for not saving him from drowning. God says: "I sent you a flood report, a boat, and a helicopter, what else do you want from me?" He had plenty of chances to turn back, and is now being told that perhaps Cami would be better off with the man she loves, and he still thinks he's in the right. Cami will surely rip him a new one tonight, and we will all cheer.
I wonder if there really is a plague epidemic in the Coralina or if a bunch of government officials got wind of how many pirates are there and wanted to keep them marooned on the island.
You know you're in trouble when Vasco is the voice of reason: "Stay put Cami, or Ric will never find you." Glad he's finally getting some sense in him.
LP offered Ascanio a job with her troupe. Maybe he and Mani can run away with them the next time the pirates hit SF and they can run a tavern together in New Orleans ;)
I wonder if there really is a plague epidemic in the Coralina or if a bunch of government officials got wind of how many pirates are there and wanted to keep them marooned on the island.
You know you're in trouble when Vasco is the voice of reason: "Stay put Cami, or Ric will never find you." Glad he's finally getting some sense in him.
LP offered Ascanio a job with her troupe. Maybe he and Mani can run away with them the next time the pirates hit SF and they can run a tavern together in New Orleans ;)
I was the anon who recognized that the painting was a Reynolds.I believe the painting of the little boy was done in the 1780's.I'm not sure what year Pasion is supposed to take place.mhm
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 7:46:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 7:46:00 PM EDT
Thanks Maestro Cuzzin Cash, great recap! So well done.
Yes, finally Cami is growing a spine and lashed out at Injusto. I oh, so want Cami to rage out at Sancti. He fully realizes what he's doing, but he justifies his actions. He won't accept reality and will pay for his very poor choices...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
Yes, finally Cami is growing a spine and lashed out at Injusto. I oh, so want Cami to rage out at Sancti. He fully realizes what he's doing, but he justifies his actions. He won't accept reality and will pay for his very poor choices...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
Permalink posted by : Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 8:06:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, April 10, 2008 at 8:06:00 PM EDT
About that painting: Yeeaaa! And I remember a PBS feature a very long time ago told how traveling artist would go like salesmen, to homes with the pre-painted canvases. The upper middle class could select the scene and have their face painted in little or no time.
In response to Camilla getting tough and thru to Sanki, I don't expect he will listen. He has been successful forcing his will on her, dragging her out of town and house TO house. Sankti has refused to accept Camilla's feelings all along.
Nope, he is like the pointer dog and until the dog is given the release command he'll remain on point. Ricardo will have to give that command.
In response to Camilla getting tough and thru to Sanki, I don't expect he will listen. He has been successful forcing his will on her, dragging her out of town and house TO house. Sankti has refused to accept Camilla's feelings all along.
Nope, he is like the pointer dog and until the dog is given the release command he'll remain on point. Ricardo will have to give that command.
Wonderful, wonderfully vivid recap! Everyone's acting is, as others have said, just superb. This show is such a joy to watch and with this blog, well, instead of it keeping me from doing my work (like it has for the past few weeks) I think I'm going to start using it as a reward for getting stuff done.
Anywho. Loved Cami giving dear old dad whatfor. And like many of you, Sancti's head is hard as granite and you know hard heads make soft behinds. Only death with stop his sick obsession with Cami. Can't that jerk leave her alone just because of the thought that his very own father did lay nekkid with her, even if he couldn't rise to the occasion. If that isn't enough to leave her alone, only 6 feet of soil will do the trick.
And you go, Mannie! Get yo man, girl. After what whe's been through with 18 or 19 years of beatings and lock-ups in the armoire (sp?) at the LaFont house of horrors, living in a hut and sweeping are like noooo problemo!!
I think Manuela is probably Sancti's half sister anyway. Jorge probably boinked Bouffy's wife (part of the reason Bouffy hates her along with his baseline contempt for women)so Sancti won't be marrying Mannie.
Anywho. Loved Cami giving dear old dad whatfor. And like many of you, Sancti's head is hard as granite and you know hard heads make soft behinds. Only death with stop his sick obsession with Cami. Can't that jerk leave her alone just because of the thought that his very own father did lay nekkid with her, even if he couldn't rise to the occasion. If that isn't enough to leave her alone, only 6 feet of soil will do the trick.
And you go, Mannie! Get yo man, girl. After what whe's been through with 18 or 19 years of beatings and lock-ups in the armoire (sp?) at the LaFont house of horrors, living in a hut and sweeping are like noooo problemo!!
I think Manuela is probably Sancti's half sister anyway. Jorge probably boinked Bouffy's wife (part of the reason Bouffy hates her along with his baseline contempt for women)so Sancti won't be marrying Mannie.
Permalink posted by : Friday, April 11, 2008 at 12:48:00 PM EDT
: Friday, April 11, 2008 at 12:48:00 PM EDT
I think CONCHITA is the girl who congratulates Camila as she comes out of the church at the end of the opening credits.
For the longest time I thought it was Manuela, but that didn't make much sense, plus the dress was wrong.
Last week someone thought it might be the maid at the safehouse, but this now seems unlikely as well.
Conchita makes a lot of sense, though, for a ton of reasons.
For the longest time I thought it was Manuela, but that didn't make much sense, plus the dress was wrong.
Last week someone thought it might be the maid at the safehouse, but this now seems unlikely as well.
Conchita makes a lot of sense, though, for a ton of reasons.
I'm all into matching lost sibs and those concieved outside the sheets: Mannie as Santi's sister, Conchita as Ascanio's sister. Why? Why not? Such relationships could help the reunification of the Pirate family. If Bouffy dies and says something about take his maldita daughter back or something. Then Manuela and Ascanio can live in the Mancera mansion. . .and, hey, it's not much below switched babies!
Permalink posted by : Friday, April 11, 2008 at 1:45:00 PM EDT
: Friday, April 11, 2008 at 1:45:00 PM EDT
Very interesting possibilities. But Al the Abuser does not need a reason to abuse. He is what he is, the masocist (sp?). For him love, hate, happiness, anger, etc. all feel the same.
For example unlike Santiago, Al does not feel jealousy toward Ricardo. He was even willing to ignore Lis's attempt to escape from him. Because it is not about having the love from Lis, its about taking the love, causing the hate, pain, etc.
Throughout history there have been persons with borderline social behavior traits. So glad this is a telenovela! We will not have to understand his weakness and protect society from him. The telenovela will eliminate him.
For example unlike Santiago, Al does not feel jealousy toward Ricardo. He was even willing to ignore Lis's attempt to escape from him. Because it is not about having the love from Lis, its about taking the love, causing the hate, pain, etc.
Throughout history there have been persons with borderline social behavior traits. So glad this is a telenovela! We will not have to understand his weakness and protect society from him. The telenovela will eliminate him.
You're right, Capn Bonney, Al doesn't need a reason to hate, He is EVIL incarnate. Just thinking maybe he would even go along with Jorge boinking his wife hoping she'd give birth to a boy and really feeling contempt for the kid when it was a girl,! even killing his wife to punish her. Yuck. I need to think about some of the righteous characters, I feel dirty!
Ah, Claudio! I feel better! Wonder how he'll help save the day?
Ah, Claudio! I feel better! Wonder how he'll help save the day?
Permalink posted by : Friday, April 11, 2008 at 2:33:00 PM EDT
: Friday, April 11, 2008 at 2:33:00 PM EDT
Capt. Bonney, I think you meant to say he's a sadist. Masochists are the ones who enjoy being hurt, and Bouffy's reaction to being stuck in the eye shows he's not in that category.
I disagree about LaFont's feelings toward Ricardo. He is jealous of him on many levels. Some posters have commented that LaFont is only after Lis' money. I think he fell in lust with her from the moment he saw her descending the stairs at Mansión Mancera. There's another piece of his lust that's pretty sick and involves her being blind and thus completely at his mercy. He has repeatedly grilled her about Ric and senses instinctively (don't we always intuit these things) that she has a big Jones for Ric. He's jealous of that. And he's also jealous in the way that a miserable cowardly good for nothing is jealous of a handsome, intelligent, attractive to women, sexy man. Remember he was angling for Ursula and was enraged when he discovered she was trying to snag Ric. And then his gut tells him Lis wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire if she could be gone from there and off with Ric. Remember, he still wants to hide from her the fact that Ric is still alive.
I disagree about LaFont's feelings toward Ricardo. He is jealous of him on many levels. Some posters have commented that LaFont is only after Lis' money. I think he fell in lust with her from the moment he saw her descending the stairs at Mansión Mancera. There's another piece of his lust that's pretty sick and involves her being blind and thus completely at his mercy. He has repeatedly grilled her about Ric and senses instinctively (don't we always intuit these things) that she has a big Jones for Ric. He's jealous of that. And he's also jealous in the way that a miserable cowardly good for nothing is jealous of a handsome, intelligent, attractive to women, sexy man. Remember he was angling for Ursula and was enraged when he discovered she was trying to snag Ric. And then his gut tells him Lis wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire if she could be gone from there and off with Ric. Remember, he still wants to hide from her the fact that Ric is still alive.
Permalink posted by : Friday, April 11, 2008 at 2:43:00 PM EDT
: Friday, April 11, 2008 at 2:43:00 PM EDT
OH! Novalera thank you! I did mean sadist.I agree that his falling in lust was due to her absolute vulnerablity. But I don't see his jealousy. Fear of a man that would be as brutal as himself is what I see. And disgust with Ursula for believing she has the right to refuse him, a male.
If Lafont knows that his daughter is Santi's sister, I don't think he'd be trying so hard to push them together in marriage.
I do have a feeling that Lafont has some kind of pirate entanglement in his past, though. Especially after last night.
I do have a feeling that Lafont has some kind of pirate entanglement in his past, though. Especially after last night.
Ooops, I also meant to say, Bouffant's insistent question of is this your pirate question I think, is more about getting evidence to destroy those he is afraid of. And I remember out at LP's pirate retreat Bouffant was so low key not puffed up strutting and bringing attention to his powerful self. At least that was my impression.
Back-tracking, wasn't he the one who stayed on the hillside watching with his mouth hanging open. He reported on their brutalilty to Jorge! Wha.aa.
Back-tracking, wasn't he the one who stayed on the hillside watching with his mouth hanging open. He reported on their brutalilty to Jorge! Wha.aa.
Al's a lust-filled, jealous pervert. . .A disgust, woman hating coward - Stop! You're both right! I think it would be hard to be wrong ascribing any evil attribute to that brute! How many bodies must that creep have left in his wake yay these 50+ years of his miserable life in his lust for power. Yeah, even his best bud couldn't get too upset his "sharp stick in the eye."
Permalink posted by : Friday, April 11, 2008 at 3:35:00 PM EDT
: Friday, April 11, 2008 at 3:35:00 PM EDT
As a matter of fact...Have we seen Bouffant hit a man? ...one that wasn't being held down by somebody?
Hey, you're right. Al don't act agressively unless he's got a knife or sword. He can't go head to head with a real man.
Permalink posted by : Friday, April 11, 2008 at 3:55:00 PM EDT
: Friday, April 11, 2008 at 3:55:00 PM EDT
I think you're right. With men, Lafont will draw a weapon or sneak up from behind with a chair, but he won't just clobber a man because that man would hit him back.
And now we know that he doesn't like to be laughed at, either. :)
And now we know that he doesn't like to be laughed at, either. :)
Julie, I think you're more right than you might know. One of the worst offenses you can commit against a personality like Bouffant is to laugh at him. He sees himself as a big, important man who strikes fear in others. If we're laughing at him we're not afraid of him. He would hate that. Ric isn't afraid of him and that would be very threatening to the image he has of himself. He's always been playing second to Jorge, but has seen himself as smarter and able to pull the wool over Jorge's eyes. Jorge isn't putting up with it now. Poor Little Bouffy's world is spinning out of control and the one thing the man can't stand is not being in control.
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: Friday, April 11, 2008 at 4:25:00 PM EDT
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