Saturday, April 05, 2008

Pasión - 4 April #81 - Everyone Wants The Baby But What Will They Do With One?

We begin review with Pablo returning to Ric's sickroom, retelling how he had found Justo so unreceptive, rejecting the money and telling him not only was Camila gone and wanted nothing to do with Ricardo but he (Pablo) must be a pirate too and had better make himself scarce before the guards grabbed him. Margaret so ably described the interchange of Mario and Ric each trying for control while Mario pushed that Ric is still disabled (baldado) Rick accuses Mario of not caring enough for any women ever to understand his undeniable need to get to Camila. La Paisana sagely suggests to Ric that if he wants to achieve his objectives he better start thinking with his brain and not his heart.

The Mass for the deceased is planned. Ascanio goes to ask Jemena's boss if she can get off to go to the family gathering at Justo's. Meanwhile Justo and Santiago have jumped off their horses to have an afternoon snack (merendar).

Off in Garbancilla, Camila speaks really good baby soothed by mommy talk as she tells the bulge under her peasant skirt that it will be the best loved baby, health and strong and someday, someday they will find baby's Papa.

Back at the snack shack, Santiago at least acknowledges that he is bringing it up too soon, but how about me getting it on with Camilla. Uhhh, no Justo of the now and then vacant stare [Ed note, looks like those nasty little TIA's to me folks, seen 'em, know 'em] but he expresses his gratitude to Santiago for taking this interest in his wayward daughter. The two of them divide up this sweet pie and discuss her fate as though she were not a human being or at least not an adult, but would Don jorge approve? Santi on his moral, macho best says "it is written" that sooner or later he and Camila would be husband and wife. He doesn't tell us where it is written, like the men's room wall or ??? Justo does ask him about the baby. Camila expects to keep it and he has told her she can (shoot, should have told her she could have a puppy or pony instead). But Santi DECIDES that it is not the baby's fault that he is a pirate pup and he would raise it and love it along with Ana Maria who is pledged to Camila by the dying Grita as her last wish. Sounds good, let's eat!

La Paisana is tearfully telling Pablo about her troubled motherhood with little Diego, then Pablo then little Margarita. She was a single parent working as a wait person or maid, never enough money. Along came a spider, oops a rich widow lady who tricked her into abandoning her children and leading a life in a brothel. The woman kept tricking her into thinking she would get her children back soon. Pablo still furious with her for making him feel abandoned his whole life asked why if she knew where he was, she didn't come to find him long ago. She was so ashamed. Now she only wants him to know she loves him and wants him to know her truth. Pablo starts to soften then stomps out of the room. This has all been spoken near the bed of the prostrate Ricardo who LP now notices is awake and asks him if he heard everything. Sure did, he answers. Do you think he believed me adn that he will forgive me? Everyone needs someone special. He needs you and you need him.

The Mass for the Diseased gets underway with all the usual suspects in the lineup, make that front row. Notice how the damas are all in black dresses and veils except Lis who wears screaming Clorox white on every inch of her expensive dress and veil. Ascanio comes in a bit late and makes eyes at Manuela as he sits down. A prayer (plegaria) is sung and a sermon given about Rita being called to God;s side three months ago now. Afterward as the gentry pass outside first, Uriel catches up with Ursula and wonders if they might not start up seeing each other again... Oh no she is so not interested. [Ed.'s disappointment that they won't move to Upton and become undertakers and have children named Uriah, Uma and Umberto - oops sorry, back to the not so sad tribute to Grita.] Justo tells Santiago they will have a simple meal back at the house not to celebrate but to remember her, and heck they have to eat anyway. Santi says let me know and goes off rather detached. Jimena makes up for it by being very enthused about being at the gathering.

Speaking of meals and not celebrating, La Font whines again at Jorge that they need to have a dinner together so the families don't become enemies. Jorge returns this petulance with an okay so let's do it next week and Sofia will deal with it.

At the Justo table, the forbidden subject of Cami continually comes up. Vasco opines that Camila must be really lonely and they would all like to see her. Jemena is enthused and Justo looks like he is about to lose control even though the new Lord of the Manor is at the table with little Paco breaking through the most times with the voice of truth and reason like, well, where is uncle Rick, when is Camila coming back, aren't they both coming back when the baby comes??? Yeah, that's what we all want to know. Justo dashes everyone's hopes, Ric is far, far away and no he is never coming back. Inez finally helps quiet the child's quest for truth and Santiago is left looking pensive.

After that happy meal, Santiago comes back to the palace to face a weepy Ursula who is sure his family is so grief stricken about losing Rita and she knows everyone still blames her. Santi says no she's imagining things. But her mother won't speak to her. Santi grandly states that this was an instrument of God, we are all in his hands. She actually looks a bit relieved.

Back at Boufy's house, La Font is answering Lis's query about a date set for the dinner, Next week? Does that mean that Sofia is forgiving me and that she will now accept me? He sloughs it off and wants to talk about going to bed to pleasure him, like now. And he wants her to stop acting like a dead body in bed, to enjoy herself in pleasuring him {Ed. Oh please don't make me write more of this again this hour]. She doesn't want to feel like a whore, like acting like he was a pleasure is something only a whore could do well?? He leaves the room telling her to remember she is his wife and has to do what he says and she is to change her style by tonight. Ick!

La Font next walks into his daughter Manuela's room to cheer her life with the news that next week will be an important dinner with the Mancera's and she is to wear her very finest and the pearl choker he chucks on the bed near her. Now the other shoe drops as he mentions that Santi is a widower who needs a new wife and he means this to be her. Manuela looks shocked as he says yes, I want to be related by marriage (emparentar) to the Manceras, Visions of dynasties dancing in his head he slams the door behind him leaving Manuela to sink to her knees in prayer as she wails at her nanny that she now has to marry Santi.

Spotlight moment back to Ric and Mario who still argue whether Ric will stay in bed to heal or they will go to San Fernando tomorrow... Ric always gets the last word.

Back to the palace, Master Fukuda tells Santi that his work is done. Santi's limp is almost cured and that organisms must heal themselves at some point, he has done all he can. Santi is actually pleased about something, he has little pain and not much limp. Fukuda leaves with sayonaras and its been an honor and a pleasure to help Santi. After he leaves Santi tells Jorge he knows this treatment cost a fortune and feels sorry, Jorge dismisses the sacrifice, he wants to give things to his son. In fact Santi has been so helpful working on projects the books, etc. that Jorge says it is time to give him a monthly stipend (mesera) to cover all his expenses to maintain his mother, Justo, and all and Santi has earned it by his constant work. Here sign here, (what did Santi sign without reading first? Readers and recappers want to know.)

Then with a sideways look, Jorge adds that he is sorry Santi lost his wife (apparently doesn't even remember Rita's name after 3 months) however Santi needs a new life, er wife sooner or later and you need a male heir. Jorge has warmed up to Santi a lot and tells him he is glad he has come to live there. He believes Santi is an honorable Mancera. Santi answers, I'm grateful, sir.

The ship sail through the exotic pirate music and a cranky Ric is suffering the doctor to poke at him while he observes that the sword wound is a bit inflamed again. Mario hands a flask to the doctor after he takes a swig, the doc takes a second swig and the rest gets poured on Ric's wound. He starts to yell then warns Mario not to say anything.

The state dinner is underway with the La Fonts and the Manceras all in their finest trying not to act like the savages they all are under the silks. Santi is opining with his new lordly manners that the tax money they have brought in isn't being used to help the less fortunate and there are no building of roads, hospitals, schools, or improvements for the village. What are you proposing poses Jorge. La Font jumps to Santi's side and thinks his ideas are good, already practicing being a father-in-law. Someone switches subjects, I think Fortunada plays the Paco role and innocently asks how Camila is doing. Even Sofia joins in that she has suffered so much. Fran plays the ugly coin and opines that Camila always had the sole of a whore (furcia). Sanit rises from his seat at this one and demands she stop. Lis acts disappointed that it doesn't turn into a Camila roast (with real logs and flames). Manuela gets the last word in that Camila should only be judged by God. Santi is mollified, but barely.

Back in Lis' room, Lis fusses that now Sofia hates her and Fran acknowledges that calling Camila a whore isn't going to be acceptable at casa Mancera ever again.

La Font again orders Manuela to visit Ursula or whomever but get herself over to the Mancera house every day and to make sure she gets close to Santi as often as she can.

Justo lies to Camila again when she asks if there hasn't been a letter or anything from Ric. Justo lies that Ric has tricked her and isn't coming back and she should just resign herself to this reality. She screams that she will not resign herself to not seeing him again. Shortly after Santi opines that Ric is headed for the gallows. Ric is called a delinquent and an assassin. Justo who usually looks like Burt Lahr as the cowardly Lion these days feels bad that Camila is being treated as a prisoner. Having shifted roles day by day, now Santiago puffs his chest and says she will be fine when she has the baby and comes back ... to be controlled by him?

The baby is on La Font's mind too, but he has dastardly plans. We find out from the spy-midwife that Camila is seven month pregnant. We also find out that La Font is willing to pay a lot of money to make that Camila come through the birthing process DEAD on arrival. [Ed note, Thanks astute readers for showing me the error] The spymiddy smirks that first time mothers (primerizas) have a lot of trouble so it won't be hard to fake. La Font reminds her that failure to do it will result in her death! but lots of money will be her reward when it is all done. It will be as you wish she says as she clutches the first payment.

Back at Lis' cloak and dagger room, she first wants to know what La Font is doing with the midwife but is making counter espionage plans with Clothilde to steal the child. She explains that his child is her cousins and therefore is important to her, he/she carries her blood. (make that cold blood) and therefore, she deserves to have it. Clothilde licks her lips at all the money she is going to make and assures her that it can be done. Shortly after Fran freaks at Lis' audacious plan. Lis wants to know what she is afraid of and Fran says let me count the ways: your husband for one (scary dude honey), then if Ric comes back from the dead he will be full of devils and will kill them. Lis says I would do this myself but you might have noticed, I am blind, Fran you have to go to get this baby for me. Lis' plan is simple that she can seduce La Font by being really pleasing so she will have him eating out of her hand soon.

Mario tries to get Ric to stop at an inn a half day away from SanFran but Rick wants to push on no matter how bad his pain. The horses and a carriage stop outside the village. Ric is inside the carriage looking pained but sends Mario and Pablo on ahead on horseback to scope out the house and open it up. Mario lithely hops the wall and uses a key to open the door.

On the other side of a different door a knocking reveals Lis in a drop dead gorgeous beaded dressing gown (no chenille or curlers here) She slides in to an astonished La Font smiles and knowing her man, has him stammering and offering her a glass of wine she kisses him and very furcia like she looks like she is really turned on by him. His idea of foreplay is to poke her with her own cane and tug at her robe tie saying get naked (desnudar) get really naked I want to see every part of your body. She smiles and complies until she is left wearing only her ornate pearl necklace.

Back to casa Ric, the carriage arrives. Ric is helped in the horses and carriage are ordered to be hidden in the stable, the luggage taken inside and everyone else is to hide. The doctor orders boiled water and starts treatment while Mario gives a half hearted but futile argument that Ric can't even lift a sword but Ric is grim and determined.

Fran and Clothilde order the driver of the coach to head to Garbancilla early the next morning, guess we know that Lis won that argument. Shortly later Ric appears in his favorite old monk robes like old times.He and Pablo leave but Ric tells Mario to get the other men and get out of the house since if he is discovered, the guards will surely come immediately to his old house ot look for more pirates. Pablo and Ric walk right past Vasco in his wagon and later some curious looking guards but then Ric is doing his grim reaper look with the hood pulled way forward. Rick leaves Pablo to scope out the town and walks into Justo's garden. Justo jumps when he realizes it is Ric. He stays hard hearted and surly telling Ric that Camla realized the error of her ways and that he was manipulating her so she fled to a convent, oh yeah in the capital. Ric vows that he loves Cami, his daughter more than anything else. She doesn't want to know anything about you. Ric doesn't believe him but Justo plays his trump card of threatening to call the guards. Ric disappears but gets to the center and finds out from Pablo that Jemena is working at the inn/restaurant but Pablo hasnt' spoken to her. Ric approaches her and when she realizes who is under the hood, he warns her not to scream but to get to the church so they can talk. He gets to the church first and prays that he knows that he is a sinner but asks for God's pity. You know my soul. Let me see her and talk to her.

Out in Garbancilla, a very pregnant Camila tries to walk casually by the guard saying she just want to go to mass. He says she can't and he won't even take her. She has to wait for Santi or Justo, he isn't authorized to let her leave for any reason. She tries getting pst him but he restrains her and pushes, she falls clutching her belly in pain. The guard screams that he didnt' mean to hurt her as the maid comes in the room to help the writhing Camila. Oops, looks like labor may have stiarted as we end for this week of huge events.

Next Monday: Santi has really assumed his Lordly duties and with relish is ordering the guards hunt down the pirates like mad dogs...

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Great recap! I think what LaFont paid the mid-wife to do is to make sure that CAMILA dies. That way his daughter can marry Santi. He said he didn't care about what happened to the baby.
Camila's family is officially a bunch of losers...she must be adopted. At least she is nice!

Tani
 

I really enjoyed your full recap and clever ed. comments, Cheryl. Thank you.

I also understood LaFont to say he wants Camila dead. The shady midwife says she can arrange it as first time mothers often have trouble. After he went to the bother of killing Rita, he doesn't want to lose Santi to Camila. This man is made of evil. Though, I must say if I were giving out awards, the actor playing him would be my choice for Best Supporting Actor. He's done a great job of bringing this dastardly character to life.
 

Great job, Cheryl! I'm amazed that Injusto and Sancti didn't hurt themselves when they got off such high horses.

These novelas always have a happy ending-right? I'm hoping so, but we're running out of time...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
 

I don't get how Lis could imagine LaFont would let her keep the baby. She is off in her own little world.

Santi has become what he said he hated in Jorge, except worse. He is cloaking his treachery behind his superficial religiosity and wounded dignity act. At least with Jorge you knew you were dealing with a lecherous cheat.

He still can't marry Cami though as he plans at this point. Even if the annulment is granted the Catholic Church has laws against taking a person prisoner and then marrying them. The person has to be allowed to be free for a period of time and must return to their captor of their own free will. Further, if he goes along with Justo's lie that Ric is never coming back or tries to bring about the death of Ric or the separation of Ric and Cami for his benefit, he can't legally marry her in the Church.

Guess who took a course on Canon Law in college? It's fascinating stuff, but scary to think that their actually has to be a law that says you can't kill someone just to marry their spouse, promised, beloved, etc...It's interesting that almost all the laws are written to protect the woman.
MinMN
 

Dear MinMN, Thanks for that primer in canon law! I don't watch the show but read the recaps (so well written) and the blogs 'cause you all are so interesting.
Wish you were watching Juan with our very small group! Cheryl recaps on that team also.
 

Cheryl: Reading your recap this morning has gotten my day off on the right foot. You write so well and you are so witty. Thank you.

I have noticed Justo's "twitch". I was trying to figure out what was going on. TIA's sound good. At least that will give him an excuse for his really bad behavior when he has to account for himself in the light of time.

So, I'm not the only one who didn't know what Santi signed. I thought I must have missed some dialog. Probably something else that will come back to haunt him, I hope.

Now, to the expert in canon law. How lucky can we be to know all that. But, don't you think that sanctimonious Santi would think of some "reasonable" explanation for avoiding its application. In his mind, he's not imprisoning Cami. He's helping her. What a jerk!

From lower Ala
 

I am deeply indebted for that excellent recap, CherylNewMex, since I missed this episode. Thanks to all your details, I could picture it in my mind. Loved the amusing comments, too.
It made me happy to know that LaPaisana got her chance to appeal to Pablo. Sounds like things may work out for a mother/child reunion.

I'm worried about Ric's recovery, since three more months have gone by. Yeah, two mortal wounds, but surely by now he could be doing some improvised physical therapy, etc. and building up his strength?

It might be as well if Justo has a stroke and dies from it. If not, I may jump into the tv and strangle him. I agree that Santi has become an insufferable know-it-all.

Give credit to Lis for being resourceful and willing to learn new skills. Whatever it takes...
It's ok I didn't see that seduction. It turned my stomach just to read about it. Also agree that the actor playing LaFont is doing a great job.
La Paloma
 

Cheryl - thank you very much for the splendid recap. MinMN - thanks for the interesting informations regarding canon laws.

Wow Cami's already 7 months pregnant?

Santo is really annoying. I despise people who use religion in order to manipulate or hurt other people. The worst part is that he actually believes that he is a saint and that he is obliged to save the sinners. The plot with Santo is/was really unpredictable though. I always thought that he was going to understand Cami and Rico and that he would be given the "reign" of SF only at the very end of the telenovela in order to halp them. I never thought that he would become such a j... Of course you never know.
 

Thanks for an excellant early recap Cheryl. It's so nice having you at the helm. (Just to clarify, early recaps are nice, but the difficult, time consuming task of recapping is appreciated just as much regardless of the time they are posted). Anyway, I really loved this episode and recap. It's so entertaining to see how we think alike about certain characters and totally disagree on others. For example, as much as I dislike LaFont, there's still something (don't ask me what) that I like about Santi. I have to join those who recognize how real LaFont has made his character. I remember an ex boyfriend who had that same sarcastic smile/smerk as if he were the smartest person alive. I didn't like when he mistreated Manuela and thought that was going a bit overboard to merely stir up our emotions. But after the way he treated lis, I can see that it ties right in with his lack of respect and probably a deep seated hatred for women in general. No doubt he mistreated his first wife the same way (probably killed her). Recall how he killed what's his name? in cold blood even after he'd stolen the ED. To the person who asked if these novelas always have a happy ending, the 3 that I've watched left too much for the very last episode. They even left us hanging as far as solving a couple of the minor plots. Let's hope this one is different.
 

Thanks, Cheryl , for that excellent recap and clever, insightful comments. I love Paco and Fortunata asking all those probing questions that make Justo [I've had ''Justo'' enough of that guy folks.] and Saintly so uncomfy. You can actually see them squirm. Here's a news flash for you guys : People don't squirm and feel uncomfy if they are REALLY doing the right thing. Also, I had to gag at that scene of Lis going into ramera mode and turning the tables on Smarmy Al. Poor Al was drooling . It gave me indigestion and nightmares. Insaert a ~~~shiver~~~right here. Ugh. And, I'm casting my vote for Vasco as a redeemed character for at least trying to stand up for the sister whom he brought so much trouble to and for giving Ines that great big kiss in front of Urrrrsula. So...now Lafont is trying to pimp out his own daughter to the future prince of SanFer. This guy matches Dr. Evil in his Byzantine plans to control EVERYTHING. But wait...here comes Ricardoooooooo to save the day. He is not going to be happy to find out what has been going on while he was away, and ....he's a pirate...an unhappy , frustrated pirate. Be afraid...be very afraid. So...who do you think gets the satisfaction of killing Weird Al ??? I think Ricardooo deserves that honor.
 

Cheryl, loved the recap. Your hilarious comments made me burst out laughing more than once.

I hate Lis, but I got a little thrill going on when she decided use her womanly wiles against LaFont. It was fun watching her manipulate him. I'm still rooting for the blind chick to do him in, but if he gets carved up by a pirate I won't complain.

Thanks Cheryl and the rest of the Pasion recappers for all your hard work. I can't believe this is almost over. Didn't we just start?
 

P.S. I can understand that because Lis is OBSESSED with Ric that she wants to get her hands on any part of him...hence, her desire to steal the baby. If she manages to get the poor infant, she will probably dress him up like her doll in outfits that exactly match hers. [We know it's got to be a boy,,right?..because the hero and heroine always have a baby boy first.] By the way, I am always amazed at the small families in these historical telenovelas. Jorge and Sofia have only one child...likewise creepy Al, Tio Tim, and Ric's parents...Ofelia had only 2 kids and Justo had 3 . I thought that familes were grande back in the day before reliable birth conrol methods.
 

Okay, okay, I'm OBSESSED with Ric , too, but....I wouldn't steal the baby, and....I wouldn't let Al touch me with a 10 foot pole let alone that creepy cane. Come here, Al, I want to show you my cane................closer...closer...closer.............THWACK !!!!!!~~~Mad Bess, warning Weird Al : I'm mad , and I'll thwack you with that cane, Boyo.... Are you carrying my cane , Al...or are you just happy to see me ???????
 

I find LaFont terrifying. His facial expressions and voice are chilling, especially when he's enraged. I can't bear to think what he'll do to Manuela and my Ascanio if (I should say WHEN, as this is a novela after all) he finds out Manuela is seeing Ascanio on the sly. I don't think they'd dare kill off Ascanio, but you just know he and his lady are going to suffer.

Yeah, that scene with Lis in ramera mode was slimey, but for some reason it cracked me up. Lis has some unique facial expressions of her own.
 

Oops -I forgot to mention this, and I don't want it to go unnoticed. When Ric was trying to get himself up and out of bed (maybe Thursday's episode?), I looked at his feet - wouldn't you know it, that man has pretty feet, too. How can anybody be so perfect?

From lower Ala
 

Thanks for the recap Cheryl. Iron Jack Cash - loved the high horse reference to dumb and dumber. I hope they'll stop being delusional soon (perhaps when they realize if they hadn't been scheming so hard on Ric they missed all the wickedness Al has been up to).

I can't wait to see Ric and Jimena's talk!!
 

Just about everyone has a motive for killing Al. Some more I'd like to see:

Ursula, after finding out that Al killed Rita and Ursula got blamed;

Jorge, discovering that Al went behind his back one too many times;

Mannie's Nannie: This would never happen, but I'd like to see it, as it would be humiliating for Al;

The law: Unlikely, but maybe Al could be convicted of murder and hanged.
 

Yes mad bess, I wondered the same about all these small families. Maybe someone could enlighten me as to their birth control methods back then. (We have so many great experts!) I'm guessing Ursula has to do 'something'- since she's had sex with every man she can snare...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
 

Mad bess/Susanlynn - "Al, I want to show you my cane...closer...closer..." LOL!!That was really funny!

I am under the impression that Ric will kill LaFont. LaFont is one of the two most evil characters in this telenovela along with Liz IMO. I strongly believe that these two should die. The leader character has to kill at least one of them (maybe during a fight?)because he's the hero. But I seriously doubt that they would have Ric killed his beloved (for so many years)cousin. So, he has to kill LaFont. To be honest, I would like Santo to kill him after having found out that he was the one that killed Rita (if he finds out). But that wouldn't make much sense, huh?
 

I would like Jorge to kill LaFont because he knows that he was responsible for Grita's death. Perhaps he can also frame him for stealing Ric's treasure. Maybe Ascanio will recognize stolen jewelry worn by LaFont's daughter and will tell Ric.
 

Thanks Cheryl for the great recap. I don't know how much more I can take of this Cami torture. I so hope Ric can save her, but I'm worried whether she will be in a condition to travel, and then what?

As for the families being surprisingly small, I think that has more to do with death than birth control, which I understand was limited at that time. I can't imagine Sophia used birth control when she was so keen to have an heir for Jorge in Santi. I'm guessing she just couldn't have anymore children after Ursula. As for Al, Justo, and Ofelia, I'd guess their spouses all died young. I remember Cami saying she didn't really remember Ofelia's husband but I don't remember whether anyone said anything about her mother. I can certainly imagine Al's wife not lasting long!

Cami Supporter
 

Sanctimonious Santi has become worse than his father with his obsession over Camila. He really thinks that he will marry Camila and raise Ric's child. Not in this life. Ever LOL. When you look up the word wimp in the dictionary next to it is a picture of InJusto. He is a jerk. What he and sanctimonious Santi is doing to Camila is cruel. I had to laugh at sanctimonious Santi jumping to Camila's defense when the hag Fran called her a whore. It's ok for him to call her a whore but not anyone else. In a way it was good that Jimena didn't go with Camila because she can tell Ric what really happened. Ric knows InJusto is lying truth is teeth and that something is off. Even not being fully recovered from potentially life threatening wounds will keep Ric from Camila. LaFont wants to get rid of Camila. Me thinks Ric won't allow that. A animal that's cornered will attack and Ric will move heaven and earth to find Camila. Looking forward to next week and it looks like the baby will be arriving earlier than expected thanks to that guy knocking Camila down. So much to look forward to.
 

When I think of Injusto and sanctimonious Santi I get angry and make typos LOL. Ric knows InJusto is lying through his teeth. Can't wait for Ric and Jimena's talk on Monday.
 

Thanks readers for all the comments. And especially thanks to Tani and Jestena for catching the error on NOW who does Bouffy want DEAD?? Camila. I corrected it quickly but will do a bit of clean up editing later. I was writing this until 2:30AM Sat. morning then slept until 6:30, then got up to drive to Santa Cruz for a weekend intensive Spanish course starting at 9AM, so was too blurry eyed last night to see the error of my ways. I am in Santa Fe for the night so have internet access. I'll check in again Sunday night. Willa is off playing with Cisco so all's well with the world! Adios amigos
 

Well comming from one that does not understand or speak spanish I am hooked on pasion, I love ricardo and cami, if anything happens to the baby I will be so upset....my sister hedy got me hooked on this show and have loved every episode ..I wish that it never ends....Irene
 

Excellent recap. Note of caution to those of you who are letting the likes of Justo and Santi play havoc with your emotions. You're unknowingly giving them "oscar winning" compliments. As much as I like Ric and as good looking as he is, so far I wouldn't rate his acting as worthy of an award. I'm looking on this as entertainment rather than real life. I'm enjoying not liking Justo and Santi's behavior. It gives depth to the plot. I don't let it annoy me to the point of affecting my performance, running my blood pressure up or filling me with hatred or with the selfish wish that the only people who should be left alive at the end of the novela is Rick, Mario, Ascanio and their lovers. How exciting would that be?
 

(apparently doesn't even remember Rita's name after 3 months) If only we were all so lucky!

I don't know if even a whore could take pleasure in Bouffy's bed. That'd have to be some serious money. And maybe a blindfold.

Hm. Ascanio's already told Mannie that unSaintly might be able/willing to give them an earthly hand of God. Maybe she should get close to him - so she can clue him in to what the Bouf is plotting and start pleading for that help.

His idea of foreplay is to poke her with her own cane Well, lord knows there are worse things to be poked with. You know, like - (the remainder of this comment had been censored for sanity's sake).

I like the idea of Ric as the Reaper. Your time is a-comin', boys (and bad girls)! But he should have skipped the pop-in at Justo's and gone straight to Jimena.

The mortality rate for births prior to modern times was absolutely awful, from what I understand. That's what ran a lot of the women down, too - hence the midwife's assurance of an unsuspicious death for Camila. As far as birth control goes, in the eighteenth century, you'd pretty much be looking at various abortifacients (either herbal or straight-up poison) and maybe the withdrawal method. I know condoms had been invented by then, but hadn't necessarily caught on the way they have now. Pessaries date back to ancient Egypt, but I don't know if they were in use during 'our' era.
 

Great recap! I love all the comments about Lis and LaFont! Mad Marley Grey you are too funny!!!

It was rough to live back then if you were a woman. Either you had many children who ended up dying of illnesses, or you died in childbirth. Definitely survival of the fittest! (no epidurals, either!)

Justo, and Saintly are acting like such jerks and in the previews it looks like inJusto told Saintly about Ric and that's why the soldiers are being called. Arrrr!
 

Anon at 9:07, don't take comments too seriously. As is said on the home page, 'we love to mock here, don't mistake it for real hate.'

Which is true, we're all telenovela fans here, and we love to comment on the shows and sometimes speculate on what will happen.
 

Thank you Cheryl =) Recaps, classes, going out of town, where do you get the energy? I could use some of whatever you're taking!

Quick note on LP's confession to Pablo: I don't think the rich woman was LP's employer, but dad's new wife. He used his new money and the fact that LP worked in a brothel (probably as exactly what we think she was working as) to take away the kids. She managed to track him down and begged him to give her the children back, but had no success. She always had them in her mind and in her heart though. I think they'll eventually make up. Maybe Pablo can hook up with Magdalena and the three of them can be a happy family ;)

It's funny about the RC church not wanting people to marry the siblings of dead spouses. In the old testament (and in many other traditions) it was actually expected, especially if there were no children, to insure an heir would be produced, and in the case of widows, to insure they and their children were cared for. As for Cami's marriage to Ric, it wasn't technically valid since Ric used his fake name, so Santi could probably get himself permission. As for Cami not wanting to marry Santi' I don't think the church would allow a forced marriage if the bride said "I don't."

I hadn't thought of how small the families were in this novela. I think there was some mention of Sofia being unable to carry to term at a certain point. One of the reasons parents had so many children in those days was that infant mortality was so high. That and they usually needed the free labor. It wasn't uncommon for only half or less than half of your children to make it to adulthood. Dunno what Ursula used though. She might have used withdrawal, but I don't know if she would have trusted the men she slept with to be in charge of the birth control. She might also have used the rhythm method. Although it's playing Russian roulette for most women, for someone with Ursu's history (mom only carrying one kid to term) it might have been plenty and she probably miscarried a few times at such an early time she never even knew she was pregnant.

Re telenovela traditions: Dunno if the baby will be a boy or a girl (in most period pieces it tends to be a boy, but I've seen a few girls as well). Al has to die, as a villain of this magnitude usually does, but there is no guarantee it will be the horrible painful death we hope for. Justo is a fifty/fifty as parents are often forgiven their injustices unless they actually kill people. I strongly suspect Santi will die. The fact that he still carries the torch this far into the plot and has a position of power leads me to think that he has to die either protecting Cami or interceding for Ric. The fact that he has Ascanio working on the book makes me suspect this scenario: Ascanio discovers proof of Al and Jorge's evildoings. He tells Santi all of this, along with the fact that this is what Ric was looking for to retire from piracy (and that the money that was stolen was in fact stolen by Santi's dad). Santi will realize that the folks that he's hanging with are worse than Ric and will get the info to Ric. Al will kill him for this which will make Jorge strike a deal with the crown telling them it was all Al's fault and agreeing to give up his title in exchange for not getting executed. Ric will become the new SSF through his padrino's influence. Just a guess. Liz and Fran will probably also live, but they will be alone and forgotten and lonely as nobody in town will say hello to them and Clotilde will remain their only lifeline to the outside world. Ursu will either run off to meet Foreman (villains who are only loose usually don't get too severely punished, and in Ursu's twisted mind her setup of Mani and Ascanio was actually a "good" deed) or seeing herself without a fortune will go ahead and take Uriel back. If Ric is the new SSF, he will be able to grant Claudio a pardon for killing his primo/stepdad so he can return to Salvatierra. As for the baby, there is the remote posibility Cami will die (heroines, even those whose name is the title, have been known to die) but I suspect she will somehow survive through the interference of Juliana or a a sudden appearance of Ofi. The baby will probably get taken for a little while, but will eventually be rescued. These are my guesses, maybe half will actually be somewhere near right ;)

Take care,
M
 

Margarita, Thanks for the La Paisana story clarification and correction. I had to buzz through that conversation and didn't have time to look back at the tape to get the correct detail about the woman being with Paisana's husband. That is so wonderful about this blog that we can illuminate different moments in it. I love to discover a correction too, and it is so great to have other people edit. My experience is that I never catch all my errors until after I have hit the publish button. Then they pop out at me like they were done in a bright color.
The birth control methods discussion this morning is interesting. It seems like the logistics of so many extra cast members and the need to focus on fewer key people may drive the plot more than the realistic representation of larger families.
 

Thanks, Cheryl!

I'm a bit baffled as to how Lis thinks she can possibly claim this baby. It's not as if she can pass it off as her own.

I also don't get why she didn't simply pitch the idea to Lafont before scheming with Clothilde. He's in a much better position to make it happen; anyway, she's going to have to explain it to him once the baby shows up, unless she's actually planning on getting rid of Lafont sooner than that.

Also he will be hard-pressed to claim custody of the baby if Cami is alive. (We know Lafont plans to get rid of Cami, but does Lis know that?)
 

Cheryl, I totally know what you mean. I have the worse time proofreading my own stuff. I occasionally do translation work and try to give it an extra proofreading or two a day afterwards or I will keep missing my own mistakes. My brain automatically reads what I meant to write rather than what I actually wrote =(

It is quite helpful that there are so many of us on this so we can each catch what the other missed. This novela in particular has so much scheming, and so much dialogue, that it's easy to miss stuff. OTOH, Guapos is so full of colloquialisms, we miss stuff constantly!

Julie, Lis is actually planning to run away, so maybe she plans to have Clotilde hide the baby somewhere until they've figured out how to leave. Wonder if Fran will put the breaks on this one too. It is also possible that she's crazy enough to think Al will accept the baby once it's already there if she keeps him horny and liquored up (mentally shuddering on that one). She didn't go to Al because she figured Al wouldn't want to give her the baby. She's right on that one, I can't imagine him agreeing to have someone else's child in his house (except maybe as insurance in case Ric shows up).

Can't wait to see what plans Ric and Jim cook up tomorrow!
 

Regarding the birth control question, I was puzzled as to how anyone could possibly think that a novela would include dozens of extra people just to realistically show the size of the average family. Someone even wondered what type of BC Ursula was using since she slept around so much. Someone else remarked that Sophia probably couldn't have anymore than 1 child. C'mon folks, get real. This is a novela. Any resemblances to real life are solely for effect. Cheryl, you explained it so nicely. You said, "It seems like the logistics of so many extra cast members and the need to focus on fewer key people may drive the plot more than the realistic representation of larger families.
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One of the interesting parts of this blog is when we share our information/thoughts on the novela. This includes comparing what 'real life' may have been like in their day. We're not confused about the reality of the show, we're just having fun discussing it...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
 

Very true Iron Jack Cash. Also, Carla Estrada seems to make a strong attempt to incorporate real historical details into her shows. Remember how in Alborada the show seemed absolutely obsessed with how people went to the bathroom in that period? It was a scream. I also remember we got in a huge discussion about cochineal, what it was EXACTLY and how it impacted trade of the day. In the early episodes of Pasión I was very impressed that they actually showed people getting seasick on the boat. It's a detail that's easy to ignore, yet its inclusion adds realism. Ships in those days were notoriously barfy, especially for those stuck down below decks.
 

Cheryl, awesome recap! Great job, and I LOL'ed at the reference to the skip-rope game, "U my name is Ursula..."

Margarita, those are some insightful predictions and I will bet you're right about a lot of them! You had some ideas I hadn't thought of, and I won't be surprised if they turn out to be correct!

I think Justo's realization that they are perhaps being cruel to Cami means he will survive. As for Santi, forgeddaboutit! He's so far 'round the bend at this point, I am sure he's doomed. However, I do think he'll die a noble death, protecting Cami or Ric.

I think Lis will descend into complete madness and will end up a permanent invalid, with Tia having to care for her day in and day out. A living purgatory for both of them.

Susanna J.
 

BC pill,Carla Estrada does such a good job with realism that she invariably explains the reason something seems to ring false.Hence Sofia's comments about her dead male infants, etc.The discussions of posters here on this site are more like guesses as to what the writers will come up with next not delusional rantings.We all know it's fiction but everyone likes to be the one who guessed correctly.MHM
 

Reflecting on gRita's deathbed 'marry again husband, and be happy' wishes. Maybe this was once last curse as someone previously suggested.

gRita KNOWS that Camila loves another man! She may be blocking her sister from having what would make her happy (Ri-car-do) AND saddling her with her baby too! It wouldn't be the first time in this telenovela that a deathbed request is meant to keep the hatred going into the future. For instance Tio Tim and Ric's mom.
 

Hola! I've been way behind on catching up w/ the recaps...so much stuff going on!

1) Carla: I implore you to limit the Bouf/Lis love scenes. I know this isn't real but it's still disturbing.

2) Missed Rita's death but her confession about the missing letter does bring up interesting comparisons to InJusto's actions. I hope it opens Saintly's eyes to his hypocrisy.

3) The opening credits reveal quite a bit, in hindsight.

4) "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." How many characters should have this tattooed on their bodies???

Thanks to all recappers!! I missed a lot over the last week & now that we're heading into the Gran Finale, I'm looking forward to a lot of resolutions!!! And yes, they all must be happy so I can get the image of Bouf the S&M Master out of my mind.

:-)
 

I'm finding the Lafont & Lis scenes a lot more bearable and interesting now that she's undertaken this campaign of... whatever you call it. Can you imagine being so driven by hate and revenge that you could force a smile while doing something that used to make you retch and heave?
 

Julie: Yes, Lis surely is one twisted sister who's motivation is based purely on hatred, revenge & a warped sense of victimhood but it still leaves me feeling squicky. Of course, just about anything Bouf does leaves a trail of slime!! The actor does one heckuva job at portraying the ultimate villain & Lis is not far behind!
 

Cheryl, at your "Sounds good, lets eat" after dividing up 'the sweetie pie' I had to take a break to collapse in giggles!

Of course these two of a different era would not find humor or inhumanity in their behavior. I'm remembering when Camilla brought up the fact that when Jorge snatched her from her engagement party to deflower her that he (Papa) didn't consider that a blemish on her honor. inJusto said, well a woman's lot has always been difficult.
 

Love this show and this blog! I am so happy knowing I'm getting the spanish right without subtitles and you guys with your insightful, informative and just downright funny comments make it all the more fun. We all know it's a novela and I get a kick out of seeing how many different interpretations people can get out of scene or a character and the creative/funny/emotion-filled speculations on who's gonna live or die are just the sort of audience interaction I'd love if I'd written one of these tales of love and woe. Keep bringing on the wagons filled with gun-toting scorpions: let the anvils and the mocking reign!
 

Did I misunderstand or did Al the Abuser tell the mid-wife-for-hire that Don Jorge wants the mother dead?
 

Was Lis planning on dissappearing with the baby and tia Fran-kenstein?
I thought that was what she was saying.

But HOW DOES SHE LOGICALLY expect to get away from the Abuser, be tracked by Ricardo, and live happily ever after?!

"Another air-brained idea you've come up with (missing 2 stooges)!"
 

That was so funny, about Lis learning a new skill! ...Now all she needs to make her plan work ...nope, nothing will make her plan work.

Lis needs to KILL the BEAST first. Two knives, one under each pillow.
 

A knife, a knife. Its so efficient. You don't need to draw back to plunge. You don't need to see, but you can wait until you feel (eeuwww) your victom. Could be rather silent...or use pillow over the head.

LIS COULD GET THIS ONE RIGHT! :-()
 

I would go with the pillow.

The problem is that it'd be harder for her to be sure whether he's awake or not. She can't even see if his eyes are open. Saying "are you awake" in the middle of the night might make him suspicious and then maybe he wouldn't answer.

If he sees that pillow coming, she'll be dead before she even suspects something's wrong. The poison really is a better idea.

If she still thinks she's going to kill him with sex she's crazy. It's been a few months now (all of sudden Cami's in her, what, sixth or seventh month??) and it's clear that he's in no danger. Lis, on the other hand, could be pregnant or something. Or for all we know she might even start liking him. Ew!
 

EW is right Julie!
Great recap Cheryl, I see Fridays are in good hands.
On Thursday - I was a bit disappointed like all of you that Rita was made sympathetic at the last moment. I also couldn't believe that Justo sat there thinking Rita was so wrong for hiding that card when he just did the exact same thing with the message and visit from Ricardo. What a huge hypocrite. And then deciding with Santiago over dinner to marry Camila off to him? Gah. Well, I don't see it happening. Camila seems to have stayed strong with her belief that Ric will return.

How is Mario restraining himself from running to Jimena? He has way more willpower than the esteemed Captain Ric.
 

Capt. Bonney: LaFont did say that it was Jorge that wanted Camila dead, but he was just b.s.'ing as usual, to insure the midwife's cooperation.

I can't actually see Lis killing somebody directly, even her loathsome husband. Before they killed off Gonzalo, I thought he'd be the one to bring down the LaFont-Jorge corrupt house of cards. Now because of their deteriorating friendship, I think it will be a death match between LaFont and Jorge. I've softened towards Jorge recently, so I hope he off's LaFont rather than vice versa.
 

No.ooo. I meant the pillow to be put over the agonizing attempt to scream after the knife is plunged in. (Can't believe I'm thinking this way. Must be too much television.) She would never be strong enough to smoother him.

Poison? Well we have seen that he likes to share his wine with her, grabbing her chin and pouring it every place. Too chancee.
 

Lisabeta has gone completely insane - she'll keep coming up with implausible plans and they'll keep blowing up in her face. Francisca seems to try to drag her back to reality, but she's not going. The scenes of her with LaFont (shudder); that would be enough to push anyone over the edge, no?

I think Santiago's going to live (we do see him at the end of the opening credits), but he'll come to some kind of sanity (maybe it's that green scarf - it's rotting and infecting him, giving him fever dreams).

I think Camila's had enough of her menfolk running her life - she's been the good girl for so long, they're used to her sacrificing herself to do the "right" thing. They're in for a surprise!

And with the discussion by (I forget who) about canon law - weren't there usually ways around such things? For example, if a woman were being forced into a marriage, her family could lock her in her room until she agreed to do what they wanted; or threaten her with being sent to a convent as a servant, or being disowned (with no dowry, her chances of any kind of a life would be pretty slim). And, in Camila's case, they could make the excuse that her father sent her away to protect her, that Santiago wasn't responsible for imprisoning her.

But still - wouldn't there have been a problem with Santiago marrying his dead wife's sister? I know that this was regarded as a no-no (Henry VIII ran into this problem when he wanted to marry Catherine of Aragon, who'd been married to his dead brother; they had to get a dispensation, she contended that the marriage hadn't been consumated, etc. ... not that THAT would be a good way to a happy ending).

And Ricardo has to live and get back to Camila - all this suffering! don't they usually make our hero and heroine suffer agonizingly before they can live happily ever after?

Toddson
 

MEE three, noticed his pretty feet!!!!!!!!! and yes! how could any one person be that perfect?!

One factor that told Ri-car-do that inJusto was lying was because Ric knows Camila wouldn't leave town to save her own life. So why would she leave town to forget him? Stupidly weak inJusto. Thank you.

I'm enjoying Jimena's facial -and body- reactions to conversations. As when Paco was asking those delving questions, Jimena was leaning in with that smirk that says uh-huh now get out of this. She does these pragmatic silent commentaries that crack me up.

And her almost squeal that showed on her face but never left her mouth when she saw Ricardo. She's so good!
 

I am not so sure about the poison. It would be a great idea if Liz was able to see but since she's blind it could be really dangerous for her. She could drink it by mistake, LaFont could see her and she would have no idea or she could give him something else, vitamins for instance. I can imagine the scene: she would give him the drink with the wrong medicine, he would take it and then she would start screaming and laughing at him "you idiot, decrepit old man how could you even think that I actually like you, perverted, you piece of...whatever" and he would turn and say: "eee, what?". I am not sure about the rest. I guess he would hunt her down?
 

I want to say how much I appreciate the wonderful translations of the letters written in this telenovela.
Being a viewer with dictionary in hand, I depend so much on the generosity of your time and knowledge. Thank you.

In regards to the letter writing and so many times Ricardo is shown writing in his journal. This is also I believe, Estrada and her crew's allegiance to historical accuracy. Although I have not had much interest in reading them, I'm aware of the genre of sea captains' diaries and journals self-published or family publications.

Now that I have seen the possibilities of what may be contained in a sea captains writings, I just might not be so squirmish (I suffer from motion sickness) when I run across this stuff on the library bookshelves.

Maybe thats how Ri-car-do will make another fortune? He'll publish his diaries as a sea captain!
 

Maybe the rules are different for men marrying sisters vs. women marrying brothers.
 

I think the marriage/remarriage rules were malleable. Those in power could bend the rules (even those put in place by church hierarchies) & money could usually buy what one wanted, much like today. A good, high-priced lawyer can be very creative! The status of women during this era was based more on property rights than any romance, since a woman effectively became her husband's property once the vows were spoken. So, Cami may legally be up the creek without the proverbial paddle but with a little telenovela luck, romance may win the day!

:-)
 

I know this is sacriligous on this blog, but how come no one gets mad at Ric for making such crappy decisions and endangering his men's and other people's lives because he's "in love?" To me, Mario is a much better leader in that he thinks things out first and he warned Ric of several things over the last couple of months that have all come true. Just sayin'
 

RE: Canon Law
Nobody, male or female, is supposed to marry their dead spouses siblings according to Canon Law, but money and power combined with corrupt or ignorant Church officials resulted in all sorts of permutations.

As for the kidnapping or locking someone away until they gave in to their families wishes happened, but if they filed for divorce later, which given the societal views probably didn't happen, the Church would declare the marriage invalid, because one of the parties was not truly free to consent to the marriage. If the kidnapping/forced marriage situation was known to the priest who is supposed to marry couple he cannot do it, but I'm sure it happened when the right amount of pressure and money was applied.

Someone who was notorious or public in their "concubinage" (i.e. probably Vasco) shouldn't have been married in the Church either. If Ines chose to divorce him the statement he made about not intending to stay faithful to the marriage could be grounds for annulment as well.

As for Santi, he is a perfect model of the human mind's ability to deceive itself. He will bend the letter of the law and ignore the spirit of the law. He really does think he's better than everyone else because he ignores his own sins: he married a woman he didn't really love; proposed her sister become his mistress and hates a man for being loved be the woman he (Santi) loves. Santi can now justifiy his hatred of Ric because Ric's a pirate, but he would hate Ric if he were a shoemaker, just because Cami loves Ric. He preaches forgiveness, but can't forgive. He feels his own woundness while ignoring how he wounds others.

People like him to more harm to religion than the most strident atheist.
MinMN
 

Anon, the man's got loverly feet! to go with the rest of his leverly ...everything! You want perfect choices TOO?!
 

Oh yeah...Anon, the other characters have not ignored the hero's mistakes AND neither have I. But being the hero he has to remain heroic. His mistakes will be corrected, he did it all for love, he recovers his better judgement, and we have the story of that journey. Or not.


What specifically has you angry about his behavior? Could it be that he didn't DRrrrag her out of that boontown away from the so called loving family?

Me to somewhat BUT that would have been a VERUY short telenovela.
 

AnonMN, I agree totally about Sankti reasons for hateing Ricardo. And he still has not looked at that hate as a sin.

I'm just wondering now how it is he decided to begin the process of forgiving his bio-dad. Because he sure is stubborn about forgiving fate from robbing him of what he wanted.
 

Anon 3:31 - I agree with you. The things that irritate me the most are always from the leads, making stupid uninformed decisions. Ric is being an absolute fool for rushing back before he is healthy. I praised Mario's restraint in my prior post, I second that now. Ric is all heroic and everything, but continuing to risk your life and do stupid things because you are 'in love' isn't very smart.
 

How can our main man even have perfect FEET? Simple answer, put forth some time ago on this forum.

Fernando Colunga, TBLMOE, is hard evidence that God really did create one man in His image. All the rest evolved.
 

The only other telenovela I've watched from start to finish is Destilando Amor and compared to the leads in that one Ric and Cami are candidates for Mensa... M in MN
 

Cpt Bonney Morgan, Santi's coming around like all kids who have Disneyland dads - you just shower them with all kinds of material things and pretty soon they'll want to be with him more than poor single mom at otra casa. ha ha
Jazzee

P.S. to my complaint about Ric - to me it's fine if you want to endanger your own life for the sake of love, but endangering the other guys (especially precious Mario) is a whole nother thing.
 

Anon in MN - One bit of useless, but funny, trivia: The word "mensa" in Spanish (esp in Mexico) is the female word for "stupid" or "slow witted." It's possible it started being used as an ironic comment to the genius organization (I think the group got it from the Latin word for "Table" 'cause they're a group), but it's possible nobody in the group thought "hey, do we really want our name to mean stupid in Spanish?"

Anon 3:31 - I think you were referring to Ric's crew, rather than the us crazy bloggers, when asking why nobody was mad at Ric. Technically, Mario has been mad and was more than willing to tell him so. Nevertheless, part of the pirate code meant that you had to obey your captain blindly. As Foreman once put it "It doesn't matter if he tells you to protect the nuns or to kill them, you do what he says." There was always the option of challenging the captain to a duel and taking over the job, but a) Ric's a heck of a fighter (though maybe not at this second) and b) as Mario and LP have pointed out, they all love him. He's been a good captain and takes care of the widows and orphans if his people die, so they feel indebted to him. They may complain to Mario (who will then complain to Ric), but in the end, they will do what he tells them.
 

MN in Minn - amen. Though I've watched LFMB, Accoralada, Deswtilando Amor and currently watching Riendas del Amor. . .with the full spectrum of idiocy (and I mean this fondly) in these shows, I agree, my Pasion gang are all cerebral giants!! Tee hee. It's fun.
 

Nope I actually meant the bloggers.

I guess what started this was when Ric was in his sick bed ordering Pablo (in front of his madre no less) to go on this dangerous mission and it was purely for selfish purposes which made him kind of less than a hero to me. I promise no more Ric bashing - he's just lucky he's so cute.
 

MinMN~~~I enjoyed reading all your points. I agree with your comparison of the behaviors of the characters in this novela compared to those in Destilando. In Destilando , EVERYONE was making bad decisions and acting irrationally . I also agree with those who pointed out that Mario has acted as the voice of reason for Ric throughout this entire telenovela, but let's face it...when it comes to telenovelas, we like our heroes crazymad in loooove. And the Ric is crazymad in loooove with Camila. You know...crazymad in looove...like ''I'd swim the deepest river and scale the highest mountain for youuuuu, mi vida, mi amor. '' [Note : In realistic terms this may translate into ''I'll do the laundry and watch the kids'' but in telenovelas love is measured in grande gestures like beating the stuffing out of someone who has harmed the heroine [for instance, Luis smacking Diego around as he lies in bed injured and then toting him over to recant his accusations about Hippolita whilst strapped to a chair.] Ric is all about the mad crazylove .
 

You know, it didn't occur to me to be mad at Ric about sending Pablo with the letter because (1) Pablo wanted to go, and (2) I was just hoping poor Cami would finally find out Ric was alive. But maybe I just like the mad crazy love gestures too much :-)

Cami Supporter
 

I don't get mad at Ric personally because he doesn't manipulate or betray the people in his life, or scheme to steal their money or make their babies disappear. He even tried to rescue a cousin who definitely did not deserve such kindness. By telenovela standards, this practically makes him an angel.

He's been quite honest with his crew; he hasn't been abusive, nor has he forbidden anyone from quitting who doesn't want to stick around. And it seems that they're taken care of financially, even during downtime. That's not such a bad deal.

That's not to say that he's perfect, but compared to some of the other people in this story, Ric's offenses are so far down on the list that I don't have any anger left to spare for him. If he betrays someone who trusts him, then maybe I'll be able to work up some outrage.
 

I can't be mad at Ric for being crazy stupid in love with Camila. So much so that he's jeopardizing his life to find her. Mario may be the more sensible one in the sense that he's thinking with his head and not his heart. But if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Jimena and not Camila I think Mario would understand why Ric is so desperate to find Camila. What can I say I have a soft spot for Ric LOL.
 

Hi. Just LOVE the comments about
"Eddie" Lafont & his ideas of foreplay. As much as you'd normally
feel sorry for someone in Lis' position,her & "Tia Fran" deserve to be screwed over bigtime! P.
 

Finally saw this episode. I read a comment up aways about why the families here were so small. I am not sure that the families during this period were that big. They had lots of kids but lots of them didn't survive. We kind of had a hint of that with Uriel--his wife and two kids had died. Justo's wife and Ofelia's husband are dead. Vasco's pareja is dead. These were all relatively young people as far as we know. I am not sure if we heard about any other children Sofia had but I think she once remarked that Ursula was her only "surviving" child. Colonial Latin America was pretty brutal with the diseases and climate on these Europeans who were still learning about how to live there. It was hard enough on the natives.
 

Another thought on Ric endangering his crew - these guys are pirates. They crave action - they live for danger. The only time they got seriously disgruntled was when they were holed up at Ric's place with nothing to do.
 

Yeah, and the one time he took the boys out for an adventure - breaking into Bouffy's place - they came back complaining that the captain did't even steal anything. But one of them said that he did get to hit somebody, 'want to see his teeth marks on my fist?' That was so funny!
 

Boy I just love a good controversy - I was in fact taking note of the non-pirate activities he was having them do like break Camila out, tending to Camila's beck and call, finding where Camila was, what she had for breakfast etc. etc. was getting kind of ridiculous. I think his poor men were safer robbing ships then dealing with the likes of tia Fran, Lis, and La Font. ha ha
 

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