Friday, June 27, 2008
Querida Enemiga June 27, '08 The Plot Sickens
Hi folks. Schoolmarm is without electricity tonight (tree fell on wires) so I'm filling in for her. We're getting to know the personnel better on this show and some of them are a nasty lot. I'm not sure convent living has prepared Lorena for this crew. Hmmm, but seeing how she slugged Jacqueline the other day, I guess I won't worry about our little lamb.
Dr. Hawt is interceding for Lorena and he's in luck. First, having bought his story that his own sister Paula wrote the nasties on the chalkboard, Snortensia threatens to fire the security guard, receptionist and secretary who let Paula in the place. He talks her out of that, and next thing you know she's agreeing to rehire Lorena, only because she's in a good mood since Vasco, her beloved grandson, is due back today from England.
Next we see Vasco's girlfriend, Mariana, who's gushing to Barbara about her beau's return. Sara arrives, gets introduced, lays down a little schmooze about how "she's heard good things about Vasco" and departs. Mariana gives Barbara A LOOK. She's definitely not on board with this Sara girl.
Now we have a sad little scene with Valeria (Dr. Hawt's secretary) and her oily husband. I don't know his name. Don't want to! She's begging for a place of their own. Nothing big. Just a little apartment...but theirs! Not living with his bleached blonde mom. Why take on debt? he counters. Besides with this new money-making enterprise I'm about to start, I'll be able to give you a huge house in Santa Fe with a big yard and a swimming pool.
Valeria has obviously heard these get-rich schemes before and she reminds him of the time and money he's lost previously on these great ideas. Yeah, but that wasn't my fault, he whines. Trust me! I always do, she answers grimly.
Okay, totally weird scene with our medical hottie and Lorena. His sister Paula calls. Lorena is worried. He pretends Paula is a girlfriend. She's crestfallen. He says it's a joke. Well, now she feels bad because " she wasn't honest with him."..she has a boyfriend and he's coming to Mexico City. Now he's in the dumps. Nah..just a joke, she laughs.
I dunno...I think this is a creepy way to begin a relationship. But anyway, they've both established that they're waaay interested in each other.
Now another weird relationship...Snortensia and Jacqueline. They're planning the banquet in Vasco's honor and Snorty want Thai food. (feel free to contribute your favorite recipes, bloggers) Then Jackie starts her puppy whimper about HOW COULD YOU TAKE LORENA BACK!!?? Snorty informs her that she doesn't explain her actions to employees and this is no exception.
Now Alonso (alias Dr. Hottie, Hawt, Scrumptious...take your pick) is reaming out Paula for all the trouble she caused. Paula, who clearly thinks the world revolves around her, makes a sad little poopy face. So what if Lorena almost lost her job and she needs it to eat? Big deal.
Jackie, looking for someone to kick after being booted by Snorty, confronts Lorena in the hallway. Wants to know who our angel is sleeping with to get back in good graces with the boss. "No one", snaps Lorena, "and no one married either." Okay, clearly our little convent blossom can handle herself. Wonder where she learned that? Hey, blood will out...she's obviously got a little of Hortensia's starch herself.
But speaking of sleeping with married folks (gotta love the segues these writers plan) the next scene is Barbara (Jaime's wife, Vasco's mom, Hortensia's daughter-in-law...whew) getting ready to rumple the sheets with Valeria's no-goodnik husband(who shall remain nameless). He's really working it, saying he wants to travel, any news about Bali? and angling for a loan. Barbara brushes off both Bali and the loan for now and commands him to kiss her. We see no more and thank God for that.
Lorena's getting a little courtship advice from Rosy (who has no boyfriend but whatever). She warns our heroine that someone else will grab Alonso if she keeps dragging her feet (andar con paso de tortuga). Foreshadowing of "dear friend" Sara trying to make off with him?...you betcha.
And sure 'nuff, Sara is at the clinic to personally, in low cut dress, deliver invitation to fundraiser to our favorite doc. He thanks her and rushes off (el deber llama...duty calls) and she flirtatiously reminds him not to forget her name...Sara.
Duty turned out to be listening to Bruno whining about Diana...well they WERE trying to analyse an x-ray and send the patient to a bigger clinic...but hey, let's talk about our love life instead. Bruno has decided he wants to get back with Diana. And she is thrilled to pieces until she finds out he still wants no part of their unborn child. "It's you I love, not it," he says bluntly.
"What kind of love is that!?" she cries. (reasonable question) and storms off, telling him it's over, don't call, don't write, nada.
Some cozy twosome scenes. First Jackie and Dario. She's finegling a deposit, rent money and a decorating budget for the apartment she wants. And Alonso's dad, Torbio, is defending his all-ice-cream-diet by reminding Alonso that he's a terrible cook. (do you see what's coming here? sure you do) Next cosy twosome, Rosy and Lorena. Rosy's a bit jealous. Lorena wears the earrings Sara gave her ALL THE TIME. Lorena explains that they grew up together and are like loving sisters. (okay, they're bludgeoning us with irony and it's not the last time either..just
wait).
Super-duper cosy twosome. Alonso arrives at Rosy's house with a big bunch of roses for Lorena. Starts babbling something about her eyes, her countenance, her whatever, moves in for a near kiss but nothing happens. Well, guess that convent training had some effect after all.
Icky twosome: Pestilential Paula and Bettina. Paula's bitching about Bettina's request for an MP3 player. Want me to sell a kidney!? We're barely making it on the money your dad gives us now! She advises her child to suck up to Jackie till she gets the MP3 and then she can be hostile again. They won't dare take it back. Man, the "baddies" in this one are super-loathsome. Next Paula's friends Greta and Maruja arrive and Paula reams out the latter as a Judas. Then makes another poopy face when Maruja protests.
Since Alonso and Lorena aren't going to be making out anytime soon, they decide to talk about family. She wants to know about his family since she doesn't have one. Then finds out his dad isn't eating (or isn't eating right, anyway) 'cause Alonso is a terrible cook. OF COURSE, she offers to cook for them. OF COURSE Alonso wants to pay her. OF COURSE she refuses that. ("Wouldn't be fittin' Miss Melly"...remember that scene from Gone with the Wind). Well, anyway, they seal the deal. She'll help out as a way of thanking him for his help with Hortensia.
Torbio (papa) is thrilled with the idea and thrilled with pretty little Lorena.
Now back to Evil Acres where Snortensia has decorated the house and Vasco's room like he's celebrating his fifth birthday. Both she and post-coital Barbara just can't wait to hug Vasco. Barbara and cuckolded husband Jaime leave for the airport.
At this point Lorena arrives, lugging a plate of grapes for the backyard banquet. She makes the mistake of coming in the front door and Matilde the maid (also Vasco's nana evidently) tells her she shouldn't come in that way. (Oh the irony since she's the TRUE grandchild. Oh well) Lorena spots Sara, Sara covers her panic and tells her she'll explain all (like really!) but not here. After some nervous pacing, she unloads the bad news first...Madre Asuncion is dead. She neglects to add that Madre had a heart attack because Sara was cooking the books. (no pun intended)
More bludgeoning with irony. Lorena weeps that Madre Asuncion "made them what they are" (surely she would not want credit for Miss Sara) and that she knows she will never feel such caring tenderness again. Sara, who's quite good at schmoozing, intones that like Madre always said "dying is like returning to the light".
No, says Lorena. No it's not like going back to the light? or just no, I can't believe Madre is dead. Well, you choose.
Okay, tah dah...VASCO ARRIVES. Man, and what a let-down. He looks like the Pillsbury doughboy with shaggy 60's beatnik hair. Mom has heartburn, Granny's ready to hurl, Mariana (novia) is put off and only good ol' Matilde (maid and nana) is unconditionally accepting.
Well, that is the subtext of all these novelas, as far as I can see. Humble poor folks have love to share and love to spare. Rich folks dole it out in little driblets and take it back as soon as you do something they don't like. Vasco's in a heap of trouble.
Lorena's still trying to understand how Sara can "pretend" to be Hortensia's niece instead of her granddaughter and how she could possibly hope to win the heart of a woman who clearly has none. They also exclaim about the coincidence of Sara being "the granddaughter" of the very woman that Lorena is working for! Will wonders never cease!?
As Madre Asuncion said "Behind every coincidence is the hand of God." This delights Lorena and clearly worries Sara. Sara swears Lorena to secrecy (how many times have we heard this in a novela? And like all good heroines, we know Lorena will NEVER TELL).
Lorena introduces Sara to Maruja and Rosy, who are helping cater, and Sara gets the stink-eye from Hortensia for talking to the kitchen help. Then Sara's off to vent to Chalo on the phone about the horror of Lorena showing up. Chalo wants her to find him a place to live but she fends him off for now, pleading her lousy salary...not enough to find him anything.
Vasco's granny and parents are glumly watching him make the rounds of the guests in his sweatshirt and jeans (Hortensia is downing a double whisky to deal with the pain and horror) and lo....now he hold forth in a little sermonette to the assembled. London has changed him. And he's now ready to save the planet and build a better world (all by himself?).
He doesn't mention any partners in this grand venture to cleanse the environment, but no matter...his family isn't about to let him continue with this "idiocy" and "eccentricity" anyway.
Now we hop back to the little apartment (small but full of love) that Alonso shares with his dad. Dad's blue because two patients have dropped him (evidently he's a therapist). Without work his life has no sense.
Now to little apartment, not so full of love, where divorced dad is wooing his little princess with an MP3 player. It's way cool until she finds out it's from Jacqueline. Dad advises her just to not tell Mom who it's from. Honestly, it's hard to decide who's the worse parent here?..they're both loathsome. And I'm not too crazy about little Bettina either. (Do you suppose our angel Lorena can straighten her out?)
Back to little apartment full of love. Lorena arrives with Thai leftovers from the Vasco banquet. Gets a chaste kiss on the cheek from Alonso. Turns down an offer to go out to a jazz bar with Dr. Hawt 'cause she's too blue about Madre Asuncion. BUT SHE'S SO HAPPY HER BEST FRIEND WAS WITH MADRE WHEN SHE DIED. Yeah, baby, 'cause your best friend (make that worst enemy) pretty much caused her death.
See what I mean about IRONY? They're killing us with it.
Whoops...back to little apartment not so full of love. Poopy Paula is saying she won't go to a wedding. After all these years of being married, she can't face going anywhere without an escort. "You could meet someone" suggests Bettina. Get together with someone and then be dumped, like with your dad? No thanks. Seriously, this woman's dad is a therapist and this is how she acts? No wonder he's losing patients!
Now onto a little apartment full of love AND acrimony. Rosy and her mom are arguing, about whatever...messy room, not doing the dishes, the usual mom/kid stuff. Lorena's trying to talk to Madre Trinidad about Madre Asuncion's death but she can hardly hear herself think. She decides Rosy and Maruja need family therapy...and guess what?...she's already negotiated a cut-rate price for her crazy friends with Alonso's dad.
I'll tell ya, the coincidences and hand of God are all over this one, baby.
Now a final round at the big house, no love anywhere no how, no way. Hortensia is threatening to disinherit her darling Vasco if he persists in ecological nonsense. Wicked Sara is gloating with glee behind a convenient pillar.
Previews for next week. Will Sara go after Dr. Hottie like she went after Lorena's biological family? You betcha. Stay tuned.
vocabulary:
educación = good manners (what Lorene didn't have when she busted Jackie in the chops)
cada año bisiesto = every leap year (about how often Hortensia is in a good mood)
rotular = to label (Sara with invitations)
seguir a paso de tortuga = dragging one's feet (Lorena with romance)
la traigo en la mira = I've got my eye on you (Hortensia threatening Jackie)
una bajeza = despicable act, baseness (Bruno's dealings with Diana)
no reparar en gastos = spare no expense (party for Vasco)
pagar el pato = literally pay the duck but means to take the blame
pancito lleno, corazón contento = full belly, happy heart ( Alonso to Dad, eat already!)
yo te ando desbancando = I'm replacing you (Rosy, joking to Sara about becoming Lorena's new best friend)
la sangre llama = blood "calls" or blood is thicker than water.(Chalo commenting on coincidence of Lorena ending up working for her real grandmother)
tornillo flojo = a screw loose (how Lorena describes her friends who need Papa Doc's therapy)
impredecible = unpredictable (Hortensia...but not this telenovela)
Dr. Hawt is interceding for Lorena and he's in luck. First, having bought his story that his own sister Paula wrote the nasties on the chalkboard, Snortensia threatens to fire the security guard, receptionist and secretary who let Paula in the place. He talks her out of that, and next thing you know she's agreeing to rehire Lorena, only because she's in a good mood since Vasco, her beloved grandson, is due back today from England.
Next we see Vasco's girlfriend, Mariana, who's gushing to Barbara about her beau's return. Sara arrives, gets introduced, lays down a little schmooze about how "she's heard good things about Vasco" and departs. Mariana gives Barbara A LOOK. She's definitely not on board with this Sara girl.
Now we have a sad little scene with Valeria (Dr. Hawt's secretary) and her oily husband. I don't know his name. Don't want to! She's begging for a place of their own. Nothing big. Just a little apartment...but theirs! Not living with his bleached blonde mom. Why take on debt? he counters. Besides with this new money-making enterprise I'm about to start, I'll be able to give you a huge house in Santa Fe with a big yard and a swimming pool.
Valeria has obviously heard these get-rich schemes before and she reminds him of the time and money he's lost previously on these great ideas. Yeah, but that wasn't my fault, he whines. Trust me! I always do, she answers grimly.
Okay, totally weird scene with our medical hottie and Lorena. His sister Paula calls. Lorena is worried. He pretends Paula is a girlfriend. She's crestfallen. He says it's a joke. Well, now she feels bad because " she wasn't honest with him."..she has a boyfriend and he's coming to Mexico City. Now he's in the dumps. Nah..just a joke, she laughs.
I dunno...I think this is a creepy way to begin a relationship. But anyway, they've both established that they're waaay interested in each other.
Now another weird relationship...Snortensia and Jacqueline. They're planning the banquet in Vasco's honor and Snorty want Thai food. (feel free to contribute your favorite recipes, bloggers) Then Jackie starts her puppy whimper about HOW COULD YOU TAKE LORENA BACK!!?? Snorty informs her that she doesn't explain her actions to employees and this is no exception.
Now Alonso (alias Dr. Hottie, Hawt, Scrumptious...take your pick) is reaming out Paula for all the trouble she caused. Paula, who clearly thinks the world revolves around her, makes a sad little poopy face. So what if Lorena almost lost her job and she needs it to eat? Big deal.
Jackie, looking for someone to kick after being booted by Snorty, confronts Lorena in the hallway. Wants to know who our angel is sleeping with to get back in good graces with the boss. "No one", snaps Lorena, "and no one married either." Okay, clearly our little convent blossom can handle herself. Wonder where she learned that? Hey, blood will out...she's obviously got a little of Hortensia's starch herself.
But speaking of sleeping with married folks (gotta love the segues these writers plan) the next scene is Barbara (Jaime's wife, Vasco's mom, Hortensia's daughter-in-law...whew) getting ready to rumple the sheets with Valeria's no-goodnik husband(who shall remain nameless). He's really working it, saying he wants to travel, any news about Bali? and angling for a loan. Barbara brushes off both Bali and the loan for now and commands him to kiss her. We see no more and thank God for that.
Lorena's getting a little courtship advice from Rosy (who has no boyfriend but whatever). She warns our heroine that someone else will grab Alonso if she keeps dragging her feet (andar con paso de tortuga). Foreshadowing of "dear friend" Sara trying to make off with him?...you betcha.
And sure 'nuff, Sara is at the clinic to personally, in low cut dress, deliver invitation to fundraiser to our favorite doc. He thanks her and rushes off (el deber llama...duty calls) and she flirtatiously reminds him not to forget her name...Sara.
Duty turned out to be listening to Bruno whining about Diana...well they WERE trying to analyse an x-ray and send the patient to a bigger clinic...but hey, let's talk about our love life instead. Bruno has decided he wants to get back with Diana. And she is thrilled to pieces until she finds out he still wants no part of their unborn child. "It's you I love, not it," he says bluntly.
"What kind of love is that!?" she cries. (reasonable question) and storms off, telling him it's over, don't call, don't write, nada.
Some cozy twosome scenes. First Jackie and Dario. She's finegling a deposit, rent money and a decorating budget for the apartment she wants. And Alonso's dad, Torbio, is defending his all-ice-cream-diet by reminding Alonso that he's a terrible cook. (do you see what's coming here? sure you do) Next cosy twosome, Rosy and Lorena. Rosy's a bit jealous. Lorena wears the earrings Sara gave her ALL THE TIME. Lorena explains that they grew up together and are like loving sisters. (okay, they're bludgeoning us with irony and it's not the last time either..just
wait).
Super-duper cosy twosome. Alonso arrives at Rosy's house with a big bunch of roses for Lorena. Starts babbling something about her eyes, her countenance, her whatever, moves in for a near kiss but nothing happens. Well, guess that convent training had some effect after all.
Icky twosome: Pestilential Paula and Bettina. Paula's bitching about Bettina's request for an MP3 player. Want me to sell a kidney!? We're barely making it on the money your dad gives us now! She advises her child to suck up to Jackie till she gets the MP3 and then she can be hostile again. They won't dare take it back. Man, the "baddies" in this one are super-loathsome. Next Paula's friends Greta and Maruja arrive and Paula reams out the latter as a Judas. Then makes another poopy face when Maruja protests.
Since Alonso and Lorena aren't going to be making out anytime soon, they decide to talk about family. She wants to know about his family since she doesn't have one. Then finds out his dad isn't eating (or isn't eating right, anyway) 'cause Alonso is a terrible cook. OF COURSE, she offers to cook for them. OF COURSE Alonso wants to pay her. OF COURSE she refuses that. ("Wouldn't be fittin' Miss Melly"...remember that scene from Gone with the Wind). Well, anyway, they seal the deal. She'll help out as a way of thanking him for his help with Hortensia.
Torbio (papa) is thrilled with the idea and thrilled with pretty little Lorena.
Now back to Evil Acres where Snortensia has decorated the house and Vasco's room like he's celebrating his fifth birthday. Both she and post-coital Barbara just can't wait to hug Vasco. Barbara and cuckolded husband Jaime leave for the airport.
At this point Lorena arrives, lugging a plate of grapes for the backyard banquet. She makes the mistake of coming in the front door and Matilde the maid (also Vasco's nana evidently) tells her she shouldn't come in that way. (Oh the irony since she's the TRUE grandchild. Oh well) Lorena spots Sara, Sara covers her panic and tells her she'll explain all (like really!) but not here. After some nervous pacing, she unloads the bad news first...Madre Asuncion is dead. She neglects to add that Madre had a heart attack because Sara was cooking the books. (no pun intended)
More bludgeoning with irony. Lorena weeps that Madre Asuncion "made them what they are" (surely she would not want credit for Miss Sara) and that she knows she will never feel such caring tenderness again. Sara, who's quite good at schmoozing, intones that like Madre always said "dying is like returning to the light".
No, says Lorena. No it's not like going back to the light? or just no, I can't believe Madre is dead. Well, you choose.
Okay, tah dah...VASCO ARRIVES. Man, and what a let-down. He looks like the Pillsbury doughboy with shaggy 60's beatnik hair. Mom has heartburn, Granny's ready to hurl, Mariana (novia) is put off and only good ol' Matilde (maid and nana) is unconditionally accepting.
Well, that is the subtext of all these novelas, as far as I can see. Humble poor folks have love to share and love to spare. Rich folks dole it out in little driblets and take it back as soon as you do something they don't like. Vasco's in a heap of trouble.
Lorena's still trying to understand how Sara can "pretend" to be Hortensia's niece instead of her granddaughter and how she could possibly hope to win the heart of a woman who clearly has none. They also exclaim about the coincidence of Sara being "the granddaughter" of the very woman that Lorena is working for! Will wonders never cease!?
As Madre Asuncion said "Behind every coincidence is the hand of God." This delights Lorena and clearly worries Sara. Sara swears Lorena to secrecy (how many times have we heard this in a novela? And like all good heroines, we know Lorena will NEVER TELL).
Lorena introduces Sara to Maruja and Rosy, who are helping cater, and Sara gets the stink-eye from Hortensia for talking to the kitchen help. Then Sara's off to vent to Chalo on the phone about the horror of Lorena showing up. Chalo wants her to find him a place to live but she fends him off for now, pleading her lousy salary...not enough to find him anything.
Vasco's granny and parents are glumly watching him make the rounds of the guests in his sweatshirt and jeans (Hortensia is downing a double whisky to deal with the pain and horror) and lo....now he hold forth in a little sermonette to the assembled. London has changed him. And he's now ready to save the planet and build a better world (all by himself?).
He doesn't mention any partners in this grand venture to cleanse the environment, but no matter...his family isn't about to let him continue with this "idiocy" and "eccentricity" anyway.
Now we hop back to the little apartment (small but full of love) that Alonso shares with his dad. Dad's blue because two patients have dropped him (evidently he's a therapist). Without work his life has no sense.
Now to little apartment, not so full of love, where divorced dad is wooing his little princess with an MP3 player. It's way cool until she finds out it's from Jacqueline. Dad advises her just to not tell Mom who it's from. Honestly, it's hard to decide who's the worse parent here?..they're both loathsome. And I'm not too crazy about little Bettina either. (Do you suppose our angel Lorena can straighten her out?)
Back to little apartment full of love. Lorena arrives with Thai leftovers from the Vasco banquet. Gets a chaste kiss on the cheek from Alonso. Turns down an offer to go out to a jazz bar with Dr. Hawt 'cause she's too blue about Madre Asuncion. BUT SHE'S SO HAPPY HER BEST FRIEND WAS WITH MADRE WHEN SHE DIED. Yeah, baby, 'cause your best friend (make that worst enemy) pretty much caused her death.
See what I mean about IRONY? They're killing us with it.
Whoops...back to little apartment not so full of love. Poopy Paula is saying she won't go to a wedding. After all these years of being married, she can't face going anywhere without an escort. "You could meet someone" suggests Bettina. Get together with someone and then be dumped, like with your dad? No thanks. Seriously, this woman's dad is a therapist and this is how she acts? No wonder he's losing patients!
Now onto a little apartment full of love AND acrimony. Rosy and her mom are arguing, about whatever...messy room, not doing the dishes, the usual mom/kid stuff. Lorena's trying to talk to Madre Trinidad about Madre Asuncion's death but she can hardly hear herself think. She decides Rosy and Maruja need family therapy...and guess what?...she's already negotiated a cut-rate price for her crazy friends with Alonso's dad.
I'll tell ya, the coincidences and hand of God are all over this one, baby.
Now a final round at the big house, no love anywhere no how, no way. Hortensia is threatening to disinherit her darling Vasco if he persists in ecological nonsense. Wicked Sara is gloating with glee behind a convenient pillar.
Previews for next week. Will Sara go after Dr. Hottie like she went after Lorena's biological family? You betcha. Stay tuned.
vocabulary:
educación = good manners (what Lorene didn't have when she busted Jackie in the chops)
cada año bisiesto = every leap year (about how often Hortensia is in a good mood)
rotular = to label (Sara with invitations)
seguir a paso de tortuga = dragging one's feet (Lorena with romance)
la traigo en la mira = I've got my eye on you (Hortensia threatening Jackie)
una bajeza = despicable act, baseness (Bruno's dealings with Diana)
no reparar en gastos = spare no expense (party for Vasco)
pagar el pato = literally pay the duck but means to take the blame
pancito lleno, corazón contento = full belly, happy heart ( Alonso to Dad, eat already!)
yo te ando desbancando = I'm replacing you (Rosy, joking to Sara about becoming Lorena's new best friend)
la sangre llama = blood "calls" or blood is thicker than water.(Chalo commenting on coincidence of Lorena ending up working for her real grandmother)
tornillo flojo = a screw loose (how Lorena describes her friends who need Papa Doc's therapy)
impredecible = unpredictable (Hortensia...but not this telenovela)
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thank you JudyB for doing an excellent job with the recap and filling in for Schoolmarm.
is it just me, but every time Lorena talks about food and recipes, my stomach growls with hunger pangs.
i agree Alfonso is Hawt. (not like our fav Fernando - Cap'n Rico - he's still my number one on the hawtness scale.)
Jody :)
is it just me, but every time Lorena talks about food and recipes, my stomach growls with hunger pangs.
i agree Alfonso is Hawt. (not like our fav Fernando - Cap'n Rico - he's still my number one on the hawtness scale.)
Jody :)
Thanks for epic recap, Judy, I like your style. Missed the first few episodes, but think with the help of recap I may be able to keep my head above water (is there a Spanish phrase for that?) Lorena is a cutie, I'm not even noticing the big birthmark on her face anymore.
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: Saturday, June 28, 2008 at 10:53:00 AM EDT
Thanks Eeyore/Jody and Anonymous 10:53...thank goodness Schoolmarm had a cell phone and my phone number. I was happy to help.
Yes, I too have been craving rich food since watching this novela, and cheese cheese cheese! (not good for cholesterol count but oh so satisfying.
And yes, "keeping one's head above water" is equivalent to "mantenerse a flote". Glad you asked.
I was distracted by the birthmark last night, for some reason, and the mole as well...but she's a cutie and seems well suited for this role.
No, Dr. Hawt doesn't come close to Cap'n Rico, but I wish he'd ditch the high neck sweaters and wear some waaaay open-necked shirts. The actor does have big broad shoulders (that's for you MadBuns_ and a nicely tapered torso.
And be sure and check Sylvia's blog where Jardinera gave us several Spanish phrases for "buns in the oven" and 'K' added a link to the background on the expression "domingo siete'.
The brain trust here is great.
Yes, I too have been craving rich food since watching this novela, and cheese cheese cheese! (not good for cholesterol count but oh so satisfying.
And yes, "keeping one's head above water" is equivalent to "mantenerse a flote". Glad you asked.
I was distracted by the birthmark last night, for some reason, and the mole as well...but she's a cutie and seems well suited for this role.
No, Dr. Hawt doesn't come close to Cap'n Rico, but I wish he'd ditch the high neck sweaters and wear some waaaay open-necked shirts. The actor does have big broad shoulders (that's for you MadBuns_ and a nicely tapered torso.
And be sure and check Sylvia's blog where Jardinera gave us several Spanish phrases for "buns in the oven" and 'K' added a link to the background on the expression "domingo siete'.
The brain trust here is great.
Hello Judy B...I am not watching this show, but after 1 week of no JQ, I miss you guys here...
Love to all...
Love to all...
Hey Anon #1, we miss you too. Wicked Sara is showing a little cleavage but nothing like our beloved Paula.
Now Rosario, the hootchie-coothie dancer on Fuego may be more your speed. I don't watch it but evidently the Bad Love Bar performances are riveting. Half the commentary seems to revolve around her assets...and no wonder. Better living through chemistry...or at least surgery.
Check in with us from time to time so we know you're still alive and kickin' "vivito y coleando"
I'm going to gain weight I know watching this scrumptious show but alas, it won't go in the right places.
Now Rosario, the hootchie-coothie dancer on Fuego may be more your speed. I don't watch it but evidently the Bad Love Bar performances are riveting. Half the commentary seems to revolve around her assets...and no wonder. Better living through chemistry...or at least surgery.
Check in with us from time to time so we know you're still alive and kickin' "vivito y coleando"
I'm going to gain weight I know watching this scrumptious show but alas, it won't go in the right places.
I agree - Bettina's parents are loathsome. In fact, I'd say there was a surplus of loathsome characters in this telenovela. (Probably no one who's loathsome enough and unimportant enough to get murdered soon, alas.)
You're right, Julie, this one seems to be top-heavy in nasty people.
One goodie, Madre Asuncion, has already been hurried to her grave but yes, homicide seems unlikely for the moment for any of the rest.
I tried to find the name of the actor playing Valeria's icky husband but he wasn't listed in the Wickipedia outline. I saw him as some kind of car-burning crazy in the promos for a daytime telenovela last year. Very very off-putting. And not sexy in a bath towel either.
Guess we'll just have to hang all our affection on Dr. Hawt (although at my age, Dr. Hawt's dad seems rather endearing)
One goodie, Madre Asuncion, has already been hurried to her grave but yes, homicide seems unlikely for the moment for any of the rest.
I tried to find the name of the actor playing Valeria's icky husband but he wasn't listed in the Wickipedia outline. I saw him as some kind of car-burning crazy in the promos for a daytime telenovela last year. Very very off-putting. And not sexy in a bath towel either.
Guess we'll just have to hang all our affection on Dr. Hawt (although at my age, Dr. Hawt's dad seems rather endearing)
Great job Judy! Thanks for pinch-hitting for our Schoolmarm. She's got plenty on her hands right now.
I like Vasco...so far, and I think it's hilarious that the adults all have their knickers in a twist because he wants to save the world. Isn't that de rigueur for a youth who travels for the first time? The adults take things way too seriously. He should just tell granny to keep her money and he probably will.
I like Vasco...so far, and I think it's hilarious that the adults all have their knickers in a twist because he wants to save the world. Isn't that de rigueur for a youth who travels for the first time? The adults take things way too seriously. He should just tell granny to keep her money and he probably will.
Oops, I published too quickly!
OMG I was surprised that Barbara showed up to boink Ickturo (I think his name is Arturo). He really is gross.
The only one I can think of who might get bumped off soon is Sara's ne'er to well boyfriend Chalo. He's very dangerous to her. However since he is the only one who knows the truth he might have to be kept around to do the big reveal later.
"Evil Acres", I like it. I was trying to think of a nickname for the place.
"Bludgeoning with irony", agreed, my head hurts!
Thanks again Judy!
OMG I was surprised that Barbara showed up to boink Ickturo (I think his name is Arturo). He really is gross.
The only one I can think of who might get bumped off soon is Sara's ne'er to well boyfriend Chalo. He's very dangerous to her. However since he is the only one who knows the truth he might have to be kept around to do the big reveal later.
"Evil Acres", I like it. I was trying to think of a nickname for the place.
"Bludgeoning with irony", agreed, my head hurts!
Thanks again Judy!
Ickturo...perfect. Can't imagine what he offers either Barbara or Valeria but no matter.
"Knickers in a twist"...have you been reading English novels again, Sylvia!? I'm knee-deep in a prim little Barbara Pym novel (for Book Club) but I'm quite sure the word knickers will never come up. It's about a thirtyish faded wren of a woman...nothing like our outlandish telenovela heroines.
"Knickers in a twist"...have you been reading English novels again, Sylvia!? I'm knee-deep in a prim little Barbara Pym novel (for Book Club) but I'm quite sure the word knickers will never come up. It's about a thirtyish faded wren of a woman...nothing like our outlandish telenovela heroines.
JudyB, you are un pan de Dios for doing this recap! Thank you so much! Our power came back a little after 10:00 p.m. (after a trip around the campus to view the damage, a probably tornado that came through here, and five hour outage, followed by two hours of Scrabble by candlelight and a jerry-rigged flashlight get-up). I am so grateful to you for filling in since no power = no DVR recording and no viewing of the episode. Plus, you did your usual awesome job of recapping replete with terrific vocab—fabulous vocab examples. I feel like I actually saw it! Geez, Louise, you do a FUNNY recap! (still howling) Great title, too!
Snortensia must be a sucker for a pretty male face. How did Dr. Hawt get her to concede so much in a single meeting??? Wow! Or, maybe she’s THAT grateful that her darling Vasco didn’t die on the table.
Poor Valeria—she’s doing altruistic clinic work and she’s married to a get-rich-quick sleazeball! What do you want to bet she’s the sole earner for the Oxigenada, her “oily husband” (LOL, JudyB), and the sweet child?
Ah, Vasco is back with Mariana in tow. Interesting set-up for the family situation and Sara.
“I think this is a creepy way to begin a relationship. But anyway, they've both established that they're waaay interested in each other.” LOL! Yes, that was a creepy scene from the sound of it.
“Wants to know who our angel is sleeping with to get back in good graces with the boss. "No one", snaps Lorena, "and no one married either." Okay, clearly our little convent blossom can handle herself.” LOL! I wish I’d seen that exchange!
“the next scene is Barbara (Jaime's wife, Vasco's mom, Hortensia's daughter-in-law...whew) getting ready to rumple the sheets with Valeria's no-goodnik husband(who shall remain nameless). He's really working it, saying he wants to travel, any news about Bali? and angling for a loan.” Oooh, ugh! The world is even smaller than we thought in the D. F.!
“Lorena's getting a little courtship advice from Rosy (who has no boyfriend but whatever)” But we know she’ll end up with Julián, right?
“Alonso's dad, Torbio, is defending his all-ice-cream-diet by reminding Alonso that he's a terrible cook. (do you see what's coming here? sure you do)” LOL!! Not too obvious, was it?
“OF COURSE she refuses that. ("Wouldn't be fittin' Miss Melly"...remember that scene from Gone with the Wind).” LOL! Yep, of course! What a great scene that was.
“Well, that is the subtext of all these novelas, as far as I can see. Humble poor folks have love to share and love to spare. Rich folks dole it out in little driblets and take it back as soon as you do something they don't like.” What a great summary, Amiguita! You should send this theory off to the gal who came onto the blog one time and told us that she teaches a college course on telenovelas in the Deep South of the US.
“I'll tell ya, the coincidences and hand of God are all over this one, baby.” Yes, I remember reading or hearing one time that the Catholic Church owns Univision. That’s why the Virgin makes so many guest appearances….
Jeanne
Snortensia must be a sucker for a pretty male face. How did Dr. Hawt get her to concede so much in a single meeting??? Wow! Or, maybe she’s THAT grateful that her darling Vasco didn’t die on the table.
Poor Valeria—she’s doing altruistic clinic work and she’s married to a get-rich-quick sleazeball! What do you want to bet she’s the sole earner for the Oxigenada, her “oily husband” (LOL, JudyB), and the sweet child?
Ah, Vasco is back with Mariana in tow. Interesting set-up for the family situation and Sara.
“I think this is a creepy way to begin a relationship. But anyway, they've both established that they're waaay interested in each other.” LOL! Yes, that was a creepy scene from the sound of it.
“Wants to know who our angel is sleeping with to get back in good graces with the boss. "No one", snaps Lorena, "and no one married either." Okay, clearly our little convent blossom can handle herself.” LOL! I wish I’d seen that exchange!
“the next scene is Barbara (Jaime's wife, Vasco's mom, Hortensia's daughter-in-law...whew) getting ready to rumple the sheets with Valeria's no-goodnik husband(who shall remain nameless). He's really working it, saying he wants to travel, any news about Bali? and angling for a loan.” Oooh, ugh! The world is even smaller than we thought in the D. F.!
“Lorena's getting a little courtship advice from Rosy (who has no boyfriend but whatever)” But we know she’ll end up with Julián, right?
“Alonso's dad, Torbio, is defending his all-ice-cream-diet by reminding Alonso that he's a terrible cook. (do you see what's coming here? sure you do)” LOL!! Not too obvious, was it?
“OF COURSE she refuses that. ("Wouldn't be fittin' Miss Melly"...remember that scene from Gone with the Wind).” LOL! Yep, of course! What a great scene that was.
“Well, that is the subtext of all these novelas, as far as I can see. Humble poor folks have love to share and love to spare. Rich folks dole it out in little driblets and take it back as soon as you do something they don't like.” What a great summary, Amiguita! You should send this theory off to the gal who came onto the blog one time and told us that she teaches a college course on telenovelas in the Deep South of the US.
“I'll tell ya, the coincidences and hand of God are all over this one, baby.” Yes, I remember reading or hearing one time that the Catholic Church owns Univision. That’s why the Virgin makes so many guest appearances….
Jeanne
Hi, Jody! I hope your weather was better than ours last night and it didn't get clear to you since it was going east.
Jeanne
Jeanne
Wow...seriously?....the Catholic Church owns Univsion?! No way.
Alright...way. Certainly, as Melinama says, these telenovelas are morality tales (albeit with very unvirgin-like cleavage)but I just figured that was a reflection of the Catholic culture in general in Hispanic countries.
Well, intriguing little thought there.
My other query is...Are there really a ton of orphanages in Mexico? Seems like there's an orphan in every telenovela we've ever seen and I just wonder how prevalent they are.
I'm not sure when they were phased out in this country but I have friends whose parents grew up in orphanages...but know no one my age who did.
Maybe Maricruz can enlighten us on this.
Alright...way. Certainly, as Melinama says, these telenovelas are morality tales (albeit with very unvirgin-like cleavage)but I just figured that was a reflection of the Catholic culture in general in Hispanic countries.
Well, intriguing little thought there.
My other query is...Are there really a ton of orphanages in Mexico? Seems like there's an orphan in every telenovela we've ever seen and I just wonder how prevalent they are.
I'm not sure when they were phased out in this country but I have friends whose parents grew up in orphanages...but know no one my age who did.
Maybe Maricruz can enlighten us on this.
I saw on a PSA-type announcement during the orphanage episodes of Amar Sin Limites that there are more than a million orphaned or abandoned children in Mexico alone. Good grief.
What's this about the Catholic Church owning Univision? I thought I read an article in Forbes or Fortune or some magazine about a Mexican billionaire with some huge communications company and Univision is part of that empire. Has that changed?
What's this about the Catholic Church owning Univision? I thought I read an article in Forbes or Fortune or some magazine about a Mexican billionaire with some huge communications company and Univision is part of that empire. Has that changed?
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 28, 2008 at 10:07:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 28, 2008 at 10:07:00 PM EDT
Julia, that's a formidable statistic regarding orphans in Mexico! How awful!
I dunno about the Univision-Catholic Church connection, but I do remember reading it. I think Univision may recently have been bought out. But, it could be my imagination. I know, though, that I have read that there was a connection between the church and Univision. Very odd, so it could be an urban legend.
Jeanne
I dunno about the Univision-Catholic Church connection, but I do remember reading it. I think Univision may recently have been bought out. But, it could be my imagination. I know, though, that I have read that there was a connection between the church and Univision. Very odd, so it could be an urban legend.
Jeanne
Even if Univision were owned by the Catholic Church, it would have no bearing on these telenovelas, which are produced by Televisa.
Televisa is privately owned by a family in Mexico, so no direct Church affiliation there either... and I'm not at all sure that the Pope would personally approve of some of Televisa's content.
HOWEVER, according to the Wikipedia article, Univision was formed by a partnership between Televisa, Hallmark, and a Spanish-language network called... enjoy the irony... SIN (Spanish International Network).
A few years ago, Univision started having problems with Televisa and put themselves up for sale (I'm not sure exactly how they did that) and are now owned by a private group of investors in the US. I don't know who all of the investors are, but the chief investor, Haim Saban, is definitely not Catholic.
So while Univision still does business with Televisa (obviously), it's not the happy relationship it once was. In fact, from what I understand, it's increasingly unfriendly. I think their contract ends in 2017.
AND starting just a couple of months ago, Televisa now also does business with Telemundo (owned by NBC), so they're not even exclusive within the US.
Televisa is privately owned by a family in Mexico, so no direct Church affiliation there either... and I'm not at all sure that the Pope would personally approve of some of Televisa's content.
HOWEVER, according to the Wikipedia article, Univision was formed by a partnership between Televisa, Hallmark, and a Spanish-language network called... enjoy the irony... SIN (Spanish International Network).
A few years ago, Univision started having problems with Televisa and put themselves up for sale (I'm not sure exactly how they did that) and are now owned by a private group of investors in the US. I don't know who all of the investors are, but the chief investor, Haim Saban, is definitely not Catholic.
So while Univision still does business with Televisa (obviously), it's not the happy relationship it once was. In fact, from what I understand, it's increasingly unfriendly. I think their contract ends in 2017.
AND starting just a couple of months ago, Televisa now also does business with Telemundo (owned by NBC), so they're not even exclusive within the US.
Unrelated to the Catholic Church, but with regard to the Televisa-Univision contract, this article describes Televisa's attempt to try to buy back its interest in Univision. Apparently there might be some kind of court ruling on July 1, which is Tuesday.
Judy, you are a doll for putting up this speedy recap at the last minute for schoolmarm. SUPER JOB!!!!
PS - I didn't mean to be a party pooper about the Church thing - it just doesn't seem as though there's ever been a time when they could have owned even a piece of either Univision or Televisa.
Maybe the family (i.e. the billionaire Julia mentioned) that owns Televisa is tightly connected with the Church, however. Dunno about that. But even when Univision got sold, Televisa owned only 11%.
Still, I can't quite picture the Pope approving of some of the steamy sex scenes in Pasion and Heridas de Amor (you gotta see the uncut version from Mexico), nor the all-nude Reyes Brothers swimmin' hole scene from Fuego en la Sangre. Nor the pro-gay lecturing in Barreras de Amor.
Maybe the family (i.e. the billionaire Julia mentioned) that owns Televisa is tightly connected with the Church, however. Dunno about that. But even when Univision got sold, Televisa owned only 11%.
Still, I can't quite picture the Pope approving of some of the steamy sex scenes in Pasion and Heridas de Amor (you gotta see the uncut version from Mexico), nor the all-nude Reyes Brothers swimmin' hole scene from Fuego en la Sangre. Nor the pro-gay lecturing in Barreras de Amor.
Sounds like you're right, Julie, but wow...that one little comment really generated a lot of thought and discussion. Way to go, Schoolmarm!
Thanks for all the info, Julie...it's great to have you back on line with us.
Thanks for all the info, Julie...it's great to have you back on line with us.
"Still, I can't quite picture the Pope approving of some of the steamy sex scenes in Pasion and Heridas de Amor (you gotta see the uncut version from Mexico), nor the all-nude Reyes Brothers swimmin' hole scene from Fuego en la Sangre. Nor the pro-gay lecturing in Barreras de Amor." Dunno about the rest, but ever since I sent my son to a Marionist high school and he got a pro-gay lecture/instruction from the priest teaching the class and was nearly flunked when he had the audacity to show the contradictions in scripture regarding the priest's positions, I've been scratching my head trying to figure the why's and wherefore's. So if Uni was bought in part by the Catholic Church and would dare insert their version of the Hays Code, the contradictory tenets presented in telenovela scripts like those you've mentioned, or even now, Fuego vis a vis the Mary Magdalen question, do not surprise me. Just sayin'......
Julie, thanks for all that research! No doubt it's an urban legend. I am thinking I read it on C2 during Duelo de Pasiones and who knows, it could have been someone's tongue-in-cheek humor that I scanned over too quickly.
I had read about Televisa and Univision. It should be interesting to see if, and how, Spanish-language television changes in the US depending on that decision. I actually like Telemundo. I especially like being able to watch their programs on the web after they've been seen on regular television. If Univision has that feature, I haven't found it, and even if they do, it'll probably only work for PCs and not for the Mac. The Telemundo site lets me watch whenever (and I can get Telemundo on my Verizon phone, and watch shows like La Traicion on the phone--but who has time? I can barely keep up with QE.)
Jeanne
I had read about Televisa and Univision. It should be interesting to see if, and how, Spanish-language television changes in the US depending on that decision. I actually like Telemundo. I especially like being able to watch their programs on the web after they've been seen on regular television. If Univision has that feature, I haven't found it, and even if they do, it'll probably only work for PCs and not for the Mac. The Telemundo site lets me watch whenever (and I can get Telemundo on my Verizon phone, and watch shows like La Traicion on the phone--but who has time? I can barely keep up with QE.)
Jeanne
Howdy Ho ;)
Thanks a mill for stepping up to the plate with this awesome recap JudyB ;) Jeanne, sorry you had to miss this one as it was quite good. Alas, I tried to hit YouTube to look for what I missed in Thursday's epi and it looks like there haven't been many postings from this show. Mostly it's just the various promos, the first episode, and tiny portions of footage from actors some folks like (someone's posting clips of the girl playing Betina each week - hopefully a teen fan and not some freaky pervert). I don't think there's a way for you to get to watch this episode. Once upon a time I heard that people who have Tivo can e-mail shows to other people with Tivo, but I'm not sure if that was true of if it still works. I do know it couldn't be done unless they also had Tivo, so that probably wouldn't help you either.
Also thanks to Sylvia Sharkbait for yesterday's summary (I was able to find out what I had missed) and for posting the recipe for "Cochinita Pibil." Why is it that the yummiest recipes always require so many hours waiting for it to slowly cook or for yeast to rise? Two years ago I tried to make beignets and completely missed the fact that I needed to leave them to rise overnight! They were very chewy, but worked nicely in bread pudding.
Lorena and Alonso are one strange little couple... In some ways they're a little vanilla (not just 'cause they're blond, but they are so gosh darn squeaky clean and her voice is so quiet), but then they turn around and do the oddest things, like pretending they have other SOs, or him being all stalker at the beginning. Guess that's what makes them more interesting to watch and gives a little more depth to the characters rather than being cookie cutter ingenues.
Re: Omar, etc - He is not the father of Zulema's other children (Diana and Julian). In an earlier episode, she mourned the loss of their dead daughter (just in case we were wondering what scheme granny had cooked up to take her away) and he said God had sent him comfort in the form of her children. They look like they are old enough to come from a previous marriage, maybe she was divorced or widowed before they met.
As to where we've seen Omar (Alfonso Iturralde), in addition to LFMB, we just saw him in Guapos playing Eugenio - dad to Bobby and would-be-lover (it isn't clear if they ever got past second base) to Luciana. Also from Guapos is Luz Maria Jerez (Barbara) who played Milena - mom to Bobby, wife to Eugenio, and lover to Constancio. Guess they won't be appearing back in that one, or maybe just for a quick epi. Last we saw of them they were running around in Rome.
Re: Marionists being pro-gay as per Jardinera - Like in every religion (or any anything else) people and sub groups tend to run the gamet. I did hear the Marionists were a little more progressive, but it could just as easily be that particular teacher. Growing up RC, I've seen everything from a priest criticizing Clinton (from the pulpit no less) for allowing "jotos" (his words, not mine) in the military to priests in the Catholic center at school allowing gays to make the yearly advent wreath (this thing was huge and quite flashy) and always adding "a cure for aids" to the prayer of the faithful. Generally, churches and chapels affiliated to colleges are more liberal (the one tied to NYU substitutes the line "and became man" in the Our Father to "and became one of us" which I thought was silly since he was definitely male) and often have ties to a Catholic gay support group called "Courage." Yes, they preach eternal celibacy, but it's certainly and improvement over "you're a sinner and going to hell," but I digress. I agree that if the RC church had a hand in a national network (Televisa or Univision - we now know it's neither), it wouldn't allow so much sex and nudity at a nationally and internationally televised level. They tend to only be liberal at a parish, and perhaps diocese level. The Vatican tends to be a lot more conservative than individual churches and would probably scoff at it. I like Julie's theory that the millionaires who own Televisa might also have ties to the church (maybe some philanthropy through it) but they would be separate. BTW, I don't think what was generated in this discussion (RC church owning a network) was heat per se. It was just a strange thought (what if...?) like when we toss around ideas of how things will turn out or how villains will get killed or how our heroes will discover secrets... Nobody sounds angry or offended, just curious. Things that make you go "hhmmm..."
Thanks a mill for stepping up to the plate with this awesome recap JudyB ;) Jeanne, sorry you had to miss this one as it was quite good. Alas, I tried to hit YouTube to look for what I missed in Thursday's epi and it looks like there haven't been many postings from this show. Mostly it's just the various promos, the first episode, and tiny portions of footage from actors some folks like (someone's posting clips of the girl playing Betina each week - hopefully a teen fan and not some freaky pervert). I don't think there's a way for you to get to watch this episode. Once upon a time I heard that people who have Tivo can e-mail shows to other people with Tivo, but I'm not sure if that was true of if it still works. I do know it couldn't be done unless they also had Tivo, so that probably wouldn't help you either.
Also thanks to Sylvia Sharkbait for yesterday's summary (I was able to find out what I had missed) and for posting the recipe for "Cochinita Pibil." Why is it that the yummiest recipes always require so many hours waiting for it to slowly cook or for yeast to rise? Two years ago I tried to make beignets and completely missed the fact that I needed to leave them to rise overnight! They were very chewy, but worked nicely in bread pudding.
Lorena and Alonso are one strange little couple... In some ways they're a little vanilla (not just 'cause they're blond, but they are so gosh darn squeaky clean and her voice is so quiet), but then they turn around and do the oddest things, like pretending they have other SOs, or him being all stalker at the beginning. Guess that's what makes them more interesting to watch and gives a little more depth to the characters rather than being cookie cutter ingenues.
Re: Omar, etc - He is not the father of Zulema's other children (Diana and Julian). In an earlier episode, she mourned the loss of their dead daughter (just in case we were wondering what scheme granny had cooked up to take her away) and he said God had sent him comfort in the form of her children. They look like they are old enough to come from a previous marriage, maybe she was divorced or widowed before they met.
As to where we've seen Omar (Alfonso Iturralde), in addition to LFMB, we just saw him in Guapos playing Eugenio - dad to Bobby and would-be-lover (it isn't clear if they ever got past second base) to Luciana. Also from Guapos is Luz Maria Jerez (Barbara) who played Milena - mom to Bobby, wife to Eugenio, and lover to Constancio. Guess they won't be appearing back in that one, or maybe just for a quick epi. Last we saw of them they were running around in Rome.
Re: Marionists being pro-gay as per Jardinera - Like in every religion (or any anything else) people and sub groups tend to run the gamet. I did hear the Marionists were a little more progressive, but it could just as easily be that particular teacher. Growing up RC, I've seen everything from a priest criticizing Clinton (from the pulpit no less) for allowing "jotos" (his words, not mine) in the military to priests in the Catholic center at school allowing gays to make the yearly advent wreath (this thing was huge and quite flashy) and always adding "a cure for aids" to the prayer of the faithful. Generally, churches and chapels affiliated to colleges are more liberal (the one tied to NYU substitutes the line "and became man" in the Our Father to "and became one of us" which I thought was silly since he was definitely male) and often have ties to a Catholic gay support group called "Courage." Yes, they preach eternal celibacy, but it's certainly and improvement over "you're a sinner and going to hell," but I digress. I agree that if the RC church had a hand in a national network (Televisa or Univision - we now know it's neither), it wouldn't allow so much sex and nudity at a nationally and internationally televised level. They tend to only be liberal at a parish, and perhaps diocese level. The Vatican tends to be a lot more conservative than individual churches and would probably scoff at it. I like Julie's theory that the millionaires who own Televisa might also have ties to the church (maybe some philanthropy through it) but they would be separate. BTW, I don't think what was generated in this discussion (RC church owning a network) was heat per se. It was just a strange thought (what if...?) like when we toss around ideas of how things will turn out or how villains will get killed or how our heroes will discover secrets... Nobody sounds angry or offended, just curious. Things that make you go "hhmmm..."
Hey, there, Margarita Chilaquiles!
Thanks for the backgrounders. "just curious. Things that make you go "hhmmm..."
ITA --That about sums it all up doncha think? ~; ? ))
Thanks for the backgrounders. "just curious. Things that make you go "hhmmm..."
ITA --That about sums it all up doncha think? ~; ? ))
There is a user posting the episodes on youtube.. just look for esnovelas and youll find ALL the episodes
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 29, 2008 at 3:47:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, June 29, 2008 at 3:47:00 PM EDT
Jardinera, here's the website I've been going to and just noodling around to get replays of the episodes (you'll have to cut and paste; I am not that sophisticated):
http://tv.telemundo.yahoo.com/latraicion/index.html
The were free when I played them, yes, like the regular networks. Telemundo follows NBC more closely now since they belong to NBC.
Jeanne
http://tv.telemundo.yahoo.com/latraicion/index.html
The were free when I played them, yes, like the regular networks. Telemundo follows NBC more closely now since they belong to NBC.
Jeanne
Thanks for the help, Margarita, but no, I don't have Tivo. Drat. It could be worse--at least we have power back and thousands of folks within 50 miles of us may be as long as two weeks getting it back. So, I only missed one though I surely did hate to miss my recap night and thanks again to JudyB.
Jeanne
Jeanne
That's what I like about Caraycaray... we like the telenovelas, but we also like that they springboard us into other interests. (Especially food and drink.) We had a similar discussion over on Fuego about different priests/parishes/dioceses approaching issues in different ways.
Thanks for that interesting background Margarita. There does seem to be a bit of latitude from priest to priest and especially university parishes.
My husband and I are Protestant, but when we attended the Catholic Marriage Encounter, the presiding priest said "If you're here on the weekend, I consider you Catholic and you make take communion.
It certainly made the final ceremony much more meaningful for us and I deeply appreciated his attitude.
When we went on the second Encounter, different priest, we could only "ask for a blessing". Communion was not allowed.
And when a dear friend was dying of an AIDS-related illness (and had never completed his confirmation in the church) the priest came to the house and gave instruction to both him and his partner so they could be confirmed.
I was so touched by the mercy and compassion shown in that instance I was ready to convert myself!
My husband and I are Protestant, but when we attended the Catholic Marriage Encounter, the presiding priest said "If you're here on the weekend, I consider you Catholic and you make take communion.
It certainly made the final ceremony much more meaningful for us and I deeply appreciated his attitude.
When we went on the second Encounter, different priest, we could only "ask for a blessing". Communion was not allowed.
And when a dear friend was dying of an AIDS-related illness (and had never completed his confirmation in the church) the priest came to the house and gave instruction to both him and his partner so they could be confirmed.
I was so touched by the mercy and compassion shown in that instance I was ready to convert myself!
Thanks a bunch to Gaby for the tip on finding QE on YouTube. Turns out they post them as QE instead of "querida" or "enemiga" (you'd think I'd have thought of that). Jeanne, If you type in QE Cap. 5.1 you should get Friday's episode and then just go down the list (5.2, etc). That's probably the best way to avoid spoilers. The sound and footage are not 100%, but they're passable.
I caught a tiny continuity thing on Thursday's epi. Alfonso mentioned he had performed an appendectomy on Hortensia's "nieta" (granddaughter) and later Hortensia herself remembered he performed it on her "nieto" (grandson). Obviously it was the latter (Vasco) as she hadn't had any contact with Lorena since she dumped her at the convent.
I caught a tiny continuity thing on Thursday's epi. Alfonso mentioned he had performed an appendectomy on Hortensia's "nieta" (granddaughter) and later Hortensia herself remembered he performed it on her "nieto" (grandson). Obviously it was the latter (Vasco) as she hadn't had any contact with Lorena since she dumped her at the convent.
Schoolmarm, Tks! I used your link, but the episodios only went as far back as 53 or so. No problem though. YouTube has some decent quality with this one this time around. I've watched the first 4 today and fell in love with it! Tm is like night and day from Uni. Good thing the vocabulary is pretty straight telenovela fare and written in the vernacular instead of it being full of antiquated phrases and references. Makes a difference.
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Your welcome... they have it QE because the person had another acount with the name of the show but days after youtube suspended the account, so to avoid another cancellation they put QE instead of the shows name.. i think its also on dailymotion but probably with the same quality as on youtube...
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 29, 2008 at 9:31:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, June 29, 2008 at 9:31:00 PM EDT
Thanks, Margarita, I already found the QE capitulos this afternoon right after Gaby posted and watched about half of the program so far from Friday!
Gee, Jardinera, sorry about that. I didn't realize since I don't watch Telemundo steadily these days. I used it more in the past. What an irony that YouTube is more reliably current!
Jeanne
Gee, Jardinera, sorry about that. I didn't realize since I don't watch Telemundo steadily these days. I used it more in the past. What an irony that YouTube is more reliably current!
Jeanne
I think the assertion that Univision is owned by the Catholic church may have been a figurative statement because a huge majority of Latinos are Catholic, and the religion does figure prominently into the programing in both the programs themselves (i.e. novelas) and choice of programs (scheduling Catholic holiday specials etc.) this is hugely audience driven.
Ownership of Univision would be public record and at minimum would be on file with the FCC, so you can easily find out the ownership. In fact I'll post information from the corporate website below for your review.
Also, here is a link to view all of their SEC statements:
http://ir.univision.net/sec.cfm
True, the catholic church organizations operate like a business in some respects and may hold various investments and portfolios, and it's possible (one could likely figure this out too depending on the types of entitities these owners are - I haven't explored this) that a particular diocese or division owns shares in some of these entities that have invested in Univision, but I definitely think it's an incorrect statement to say the Catholic church owns Univision.
Here is some of the info on who does (sorry it's long):
03-27-2007
FCC Approves Acquisition of Univision by Broadcasting Media Partners
Los Angeles, CA -- Univision Communications Inc. (NYSE:UVN), the leading Spanish-language media company in the U.S., today announced that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has approved its acquisition by Broadcasting Media Partners Inc. (BMP), an investor group that includes Madison Dearborn Partners, Providence Equity Partners, TPG, Thomas H. Lee Partners, and Saban Capital Group. The acquisition, at a price of $36.25 per Univision share in cash, is expected to close this month.
This important step paves the way to close BMP's acquisition of Univision, said Joe Uva, who will become Univision's Chief Executive Officer upon completion of the acquisition. Univision is the fastest growing media company in the country. I am very excited to begin working with the Company?s strong leadership team, talented employees, and partners to build on the great success for which Univision is so well known. Following the transaction, Univision will remain committed to providing the absolute best in Spanish-language information and entertainment while building on Univision?s unique connection with its audience and continuing to serve the rapidly growing U.S. Hispanic community.
Univision Communications Inc. is the premier Spanish-language media company in the United States. Its operations include Univision Network, the most-watched Spanish-language broadcast television network in the U.S. reaching 99% of U.S. Hispanic Households; TeleFutura Network, a general-interest Spanish-language broadcast television network, which was launched in 2002 and now reaches 87% of U.S. Hispanic Households; Galavisithe country?s leading Spanish-language cable network; Univision and TeleFutura Television Groups, which own and operate 63 television stations in major U.S. Hispanic markets and Puerto Rico; Univision Radio, the leading Spanish-language radio group which owns and/or operates 69 radio stations in 16 of the top 25 U.S. Hispanic markets and 5 stations in Puerto Rico; Univision Music Group, which includes Univision Records, Fonovisa Records, La Calle Records and Mexico-based Disa Records as well as Fonomusic and America Musical Publishing companies; and Univision Online, the premier Spanish-language Internet destination in the U.S. located at www.univision.com. Univision Communications also has a 50% interest in TuTv, a joint venture formed to broadcast Televisa?s pay television channels in the U.S., and a non-voting 14.8% interest in Entravision Communications Corporation, a public Spanish-language media company. Univision Communications is headquartered in Los Angeles with television network operations in Miami and television and radio stations and sales offices in major cities throughout the United States. For more information, please visit www.univision.net.
This document contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, including those relating to expected effects, timing and completion of the merger transaction, the Company's future success and growth. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements include; cancellation or reductions in advertising; failure of our new or existing businesses to produce projected revenues or cash flow; failure to obtain the benefits expected from cross-promotion of media; regional downturns in economic conditions in those areas where our stations are located; changes in the rules and regulations of the Federal Communications Commission; a decrease in the supply or quality of programming; an increase in the cost of programming; an increase in the preference among Hispanics for English-language programming; the need for any unanticipated expenses; competitive pressures from other broadcasters and other entertainment and news media; Internet piracy, home copying and Internet downloading; further recorded music industry declines; potential impact of new technologies; unanticipated interruption in our broadcasting for any reason, including acts of terrorism; write downs of the carrying value of assets due to impairment; our inability to complete the proposed merger due to a failure to satisfy customary closing conditions; inability of the buyer to obtain the remaining financing on acceptable terms or at all; failure to obtain expected savings from our vendor efficiency review, organization changes and the merger and related transactions; and a failure to achieve profitability, growth or anticipated cash flows from acquisitions. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, those described in Risk Factors contained in our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2006. The Company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking information contained in this press release.
Broadcasting Media Partners Inc.
Broadcasting Media Partners Inc. (BMP) is an investor group consisting of Madison Dearborn Partners, Providence Equity Partners, TPG, Thomas H. Lee Partners, and Saban Capital Group.
Madison Dearborn Partners, LLC
Madison Dearborn Partners, based in Chicago, is one of the most experienced and successful private equity investment firms in the United States. MDP has more than $14 billion of equity capital under management and makes new investments through its most recent fund, Madison Dearborn Capital Partners V, a $6.5 billion investment fund raised in 2006. MDP focuses on management buyout transactions and other private equity investments across a broad spectrum of industries, including basic industries, communications, consumer, financial services, and health care. Over the last decade, MDP has been an active investor in the communications sector, with investments in such companies as Clearnet Communications, Intelsat, Ltd., MetroPCS, Nextel Partners, Omnipoint Corporations, and XM Satellite Radio. For more information, please visit the MDP website at www.mdcp.com.
Providence Equity Partners Inc.
Providence Equity Partners Inc. is a global private investment firm specializing in equity investments in media, entertainment, communications and information companies around the world. The principals of Providence Equity manage funds with approximately $21 billion in equity commitments and have invested in more than 100 companies operating in over 20 countries since the firm's inception in 1990. Significant investments include Bresnan Broadband Holdings, Casema, Com Hem, Digiturk, Education Management Corporation, eircom, Freedom Communications, Idea Cellular, Kabel Deutschland, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Ono, PanAmSat, ProSiebenSat.1, Recoletos, TDC, VoiceStream Wireless, Warner Music Group, Western Wireless and Yankees Entertainment Sports Network. Providence Equity is headquartered in Providence, RI, and has offices in New York and London. The firm is in the process of opening offices in Hong Kong and New Delhi.
TPG
TPG is a private investment partnership that was founded in 1992 and currently has more than $30 billion of assets under management. Headquartered in Fort Worth, with offices in San Francisco, London, Hong Kong, New York, Minneapolis, Melbourne, Menlo Park, Mumbai, Shanghai, Singapore and Tokyo, TPG has extensive experience with global public and private investments executed through leveraged buyouts, recapitalizations, spinouts, joint ventures and restructurings. TPG seeks to invest in world-class franchises across a range of industries. Prior investments in media and communications include Findexa, Hotwire, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and TIM Hellas. Other significant investments include Aleris, Burger King, Continental Airlines, Debenhams, Ducati, MEMC, J. Crew, Neiman Marcus, Petco, Seagate and Texas Genco. Visit www.tpg.com.
Thomas H. Lee Partners, L.P.
Thomas H. Lee Partners, L.P. is one of the largest and oldest private equity investment firms in the United States and has raised and managed almost $20 billion of capital, making investments in over 100 businesses since its founding in 1974. Today, by remaining focused on growth oriented companies with strong fundamentals and investing in large buyouts primarily in North America, THL Partners continues to build on a strong track record of creating lasting value and delivering exceptional returns to its investors. Notable transactions sponsored by the firm include Dunkin? Brands, Simmons, The Nielsen Company (formerly VNU), Warner Music Group and the announced acquisitions of Clear Channel Communications and Univision, as well as the recent realizations of investments such as Houghton Mifflin and ProSiebenSat.1.
Saban Capital Group
Saban Capital Group, Inc. is a private investment firm specializing in the media and entertainment industries. Based in Los Angeles, SCG was established in 2001 by Haim Saban, founder of Saban Entertainment, a global television broadcasting, production, distribution, merchandising and music company that was sold to the Walt Disney Corporation in 2001 in a $5.2 billion transaction. The firm makes both controlling and minority investments in public and private companies worldwide, including ProSiebenSat.1, Germany's biggest television group; Keshet Broadcasting Ltd., Israel's leading television network; and Bezeq, Israel's national phone company, and adds strategic value through its established relationships and industry experience.
Ownership of Univision would be public record and at minimum would be on file with the FCC, so you can easily find out the ownership. In fact I'll post information from the corporate website below for your review.
Also, here is a link to view all of their SEC statements:
http://ir.univision.net/sec.cfm
True, the catholic church organizations operate like a business in some respects and may hold various investments and portfolios, and it's possible (one could likely figure this out too depending on the types of entitities these owners are - I haven't explored this) that a particular diocese or division owns shares in some of these entities that have invested in Univision, but I definitely think it's an incorrect statement to say the Catholic church owns Univision.
Here is some of the info on who does (sorry it's long):
03-27-2007
FCC Approves Acquisition of Univision by Broadcasting Media Partners
Los Angeles, CA -- Univision Communications Inc. (NYSE:UVN), the leading Spanish-language media company in the U.S., today announced that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has approved its acquisition by Broadcasting Media Partners Inc. (BMP), an investor group that includes Madison Dearborn Partners, Providence Equity Partners, TPG, Thomas H. Lee Partners, and Saban Capital Group. The acquisition, at a price of $36.25 per Univision share in cash, is expected to close this month.
This important step paves the way to close BMP's acquisition of Univision, said Joe Uva, who will become Univision's Chief Executive Officer upon completion of the acquisition. Univision is the fastest growing media company in the country. I am very excited to begin working with the Company?s strong leadership team, talented employees, and partners to build on the great success for which Univision is so well known. Following the transaction, Univision will remain committed to providing the absolute best in Spanish-language information and entertainment while building on Univision?s unique connection with its audience and continuing to serve the rapidly growing U.S. Hispanic community.
Univision Communications Inc. is the premier Spanish-language media company in the United States. Its operations include Univision Network, the most-watched Spanish-language broadcast television network in the U.S. reaching 99% of U.S. Hispanic Households; TeleFutura Network, a general-interest Spanish-language broadcast television network, which was launched in 2002 and now reaches 87% of U.S. Hispanic Households; Galavisithe country?s leading Spanish-language cable network; Univision and TeleFutura Television Groups, which own and operate 63 television stations in major U.S. Hispanic markets and Puerto Rico; Univision Radio, the leading Spanish-language radio group which owns and/or operates 69 radio stations in 16 of the top 25 U.S. Hispanic markets and 5 stations in Puerto Rico; Univision Music Group, which includes Univision Records, Fonovisa Records, La Calle Records and Mexico-based Disa Records as well as Fonomusic and America Musical Publishing companies; and Univision Online, the premier Spanish-language Internet destination in the U.S. located at www.univision.com. Univision Communications also has a 50% interest in TuTv, a joint venture formed to broadcast Televisa?s pay television channels in the U.S., and a non-voting 14.8% interest in Entravision Communications Corporation, a public Spanish-language media company. Univision Communications is headquartered in Los Angeles with television network operations in Miami and television and radio stations and sales offices in major cities throughout the United States. For more information, please visit www.univision.net.
This document contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, including those relating to expected effects, timing and completion of the merger transaction, the Company's future success and growth. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements include; cancellation or reductions in advertising; failure of our new or existing businesses to produce projected revenues or cash flow; failure to obtain the benefits expected from cross-promotion of media; regional downturns in economic conditions in those areas where our stations are located; changes in the rules and regulations of the Federal Communications Commission; a decrease in the supply or quality of programming; an increase in the cost of programming; an increase in the preference among Hispanics for English-language programming; the need for any unanticipated expenses; competitive pressures from other broadcasters and other entertainment and news media; Internet piracy, home copying and Internet downloading; further recorded music industry declines; potential impact of new technologies; unanticipated interruption in our broadcasting for any reason, including acts of terrorism; write downs of the carrying value of assets due to impairment; our inability to complete the proposed merger due to a failure to satisfy customary closing conditions; inability of the buyer to obtain the remaining financing on acceptable terms or at all; failure to obtain expected savings from our vendor efficiency review, organization changes and the merger and related transactions; and a failure to achieve profitability, growth or anticipated cash flows from acquisitions. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, those described in Risk Factors contained in our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2006. The Company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking information contained in this press release.
Broadcasting Media Partners Inc.
Broadcasting Media Partners Inc. (BMP) is an investor group consisting of Madison Dearborn Partners, Providence Equity Partners, TPG, Thomas H. Lee Partners, and Saban Capital Group.
Madison Dearborn Partners, LLC
Madison Dearborn Partners, based in Chicago, is one of the most experienced and successful private equity investment firms in the United States. MDP has more than $14 billion of equity capital under management and makes new investments through its most recent fund, Madison Dearborn Capital Partners V, a $6.5 billion investment fund raised in 2006. MDP focuses on management buyout transactions and other private equity investments across a broad spectrum of industries, including basic industries, communications, consumer, financial services, and health care. Over the last decade, MDP has been an active investor in the communications sector, with investments in such companies as Clearnet Communications, Intelsat, Ltd., MetroPCS, Nextel Partners, Omnipoint Corporations, and XM Satellite Radio. For more information, please visit the MDP website at www.mdcp.com.
Providence Equity Partners Inc.
Providence Equity Partners Inc. is a global private investment firm specializing in equity investments in media, entertainment, communications and information companies around the world. The principals of Providence Equity manage funds with approximately $21 billion in equity commitments and have invested in more than 100 companies operating in over 20 countries since the firm's inception in 1990. Significant investments include Bresnan Broadband Holdings, Casema, Com Hem, Digiturk, Education Management Corporation, eircom, Freedom Communications, Idea Cellular, Kabel Deutschland, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Ono, PanAmSat, ProSiebenSat.1, Recoletos, TDC, VoiceStream Wireless, Warner Music Group, Western Wireless and Yankees Entertainment Sports Network. Providence Equity is headquartered in Providence, RI, and has offices in New York and London. The firm is in the process of opening offices in Hong Kong and New Delhi.
TPG
TPG is a private investment partnership that was founded in 1992 and currently has more than $30 billion of assets under management. Headquartered in Fort Worth, with offices in San Francisco, London, Hong Kong, New York, Minneapolis, Melbourne, Menlo Park, Mumbai, Shanghai, Singapore and Tokyo, TPG has extensive experience with global public and private investments executed through leveraged buyouts, recapitalizations, spinouts, joint ventures and restructurings. TPG seeks to invest in world-class franchises across a range of industries. Prior investments in media and communications include Findexa, Hotwire, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and TIM Hellas. Other significant investments include Aleris, Burger King, Continental Airlines, Debenhams, Ducati, MEMC, J. Crew, Neiman Marcus, Petco, Seagate and Texas Genco. Visit www.tpg.com.
Thomas H. Lee Partners, L.P.
Thomas H. Lee Partners, L.P. is one of the largest and oldest private equity investment firms in the United States and has raised and managed almost $20 billion of capital, making investments in over 100 businesses since its founding in 1974. Today, by remaining focused on growth oriented companies with strong fundamentals and investing in large buyouts primarily in North America, THL Partners continues to build on a strong track record of creating lasting value and delivering exceptional returns to its investors. Notable transactions sponsored by the firm include Dunkin? Brands, Simmons, The Nielsen Company (formerly VNU), Warner Music Group and the announced acquisitions of Clear Channel Communications and Univision, as well as the recent realizations of investments such as Houghton Mifflin and ProSiebenSat.1.
Saban Capital Group
Saban Capital Group, Inc. is a private investment firm specializing in the media and entertainment industries. Based in Los Angeles, SCG was established in 2001 by Haim Saban, founder of Saban Entertainment, a global television broadcasting, production, distribution, merchandising and music company that was sold to the Walt Disney Corporation in 2001 in a $5.2 billion transaction. The firm makes both controlling and minority investments in public and private companies worldwide, including ProSiebenSat.1, Germany's biggest television group; Keshet Broadcasting Ltd., Israel's leading television network; and Bezeq, Israel's national phone company, and adds strategic value through its established relationships and industry experience.
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Jeanne and Jardinera - I think it's a matter of server space (Though they must keep the footage stored somewhere since they re-air stuff). Someone mentioned in the LT discussion group that Telemundo started dumping older episodes, so you'll still be able to find the more current ones. I know I tried to watch an old episode of "Decisiones" with Christian Meier (way hotter than the galanes in this one, but I'll still watch 'cause I'm enjoying it) and I had to dig around a lot and only found the first clip. YouTube had the whole thing though. I was also highly annoyed that they never posted the end of "La Esclava Isaura." Them's the brakes...
Jeanne and Jardinera - I think it's a matter of server space (Though they must keep the footage stored somewhere since they re-air stuff). Someone mentioned in the LT discussion group that Telemundo started dumping older episodes, so you'll still be able to find the more current ones. I know I tried to watch an old episode of "Decisiones" with Christian Meier (way hotter than the galanes in this one, but I'll still watch 'cause I'm enjoying it) and I had to dig around a lot and only found the first clip. YouTube had the whole thing though. I was also highly annoyed that they never posted the end of "La Esclava Isaura." Them's the brakes...
Thanks "K" for all that interesting information about the Saban Investment Group. Every once in a while I get an uneasy "Big Brother" feeling about the huges world-wide investments, and synchronicity where movies and t.v. shows are linked into food and toys and apparel that are flogged in the grocery stores and department stores.
Oh well, on with the show...as long as we're learning Spanish, I'm up for it.
Oh well, on with the show...as long as we're learning Spanish, I'm up for it.
¡Hola amigos y amigas!
I'm back on this blog and I think for awile because I like this show.
I taped it for a week and finally during the weekend watched all the episodes and also read all recaps and comments so I'm kind of on the same level with you right now.
With the recaps I caught up with some characters that I couldn't place right. I'm still lost with the names but at least started to recognize the faces - placing couple of "love birds" with their "legal" spouses was a little bit hard at first.
It's pretty straight forward right now. At this point - white is white, black is black. The good ones are too good, the bad ones - too bad.
The galan Dr.Hawt is hot but does nothing for me (I missed my pirate Ric and Dr.Manuel).
By the way, todotnv.com has weekly installments of the "el mejor galán de las telenovelas" and last week Gabriel Soto had 294 votes. On this week installment Fernando Colunga already has more then 1100 votes - and few more days to vote.
I really like Lorena with her ingenuity and some force inside that she definitely inherited from her granny.
By the way, the actor who plays Snortensia's son ( father of Vasco), also was in Amor Real - José María de Icaza - brother of "la fea turned bea" Josefina.
Ok, it was good to be back - see you all soon.
Eve from Cleveland
I'm back on this blog and I think for awile because I like this show.
I taped it for a week and finally during the weekend watched all the episodes and also read all recaps and comments so I'm kind of on the same level with you right now.
With the recaps I caught up with some characters that I couldn't place right. I'm still lost with the names but at least started to recognize the faces - placing couple of "love birds" with their "legal" spouses was a little bit hard at first.
It's pretty straight forward right now. At this point - white is white, black is black. The good ones are too good, the bad ones - too bad.
The galan Dr.Hawt is hot but does nothing for me (I missed my pirate Ric and Dr.Manuel).
By the way, todotnv.com has weekly installments of the "el mejor galán de las telenovelas" and last week Gabriel Soto had 294 votes. On this week installment Fernando Colunga already has more then 1100 votes - and few more days to vote.
I really like Lorena with her ingenuity and some force inside that she definitely inherited from her granny.
By the way, the actor who plays Snortensia's son ( father of Vasco), also was in Amor Real - José María de Icaza - brother of "la fea turned bea" Josefina.
Ok, it was good to be back - see you all soon.
Eve from Cleveland
Permalink posted by : Monday, June 30, 2008 at 10:41:00 AM EDT
: Monday, June 30, 2008 at 10:41:00 AM EDT
Eve...delighted to have you with us. I've enjoyed your comments on Pasión and Destilando and am glad you're liking this one so far.
Sure ' nuff, it's easy to know who to root for....this is written with big stubby pencils.
I too like the hint of spitfire in our sweet sweet heroine. A little lemon juice to go with the sugar always helps.
Whoops...timer just went off for my roast herbed chicken...gotta go!
Sure ' nuff, it's easy to know who to root for....this is written with big stubby pencils.
I too like the hint of spitfire in our sweet sweet heroine. A little lemon juice to go with the sugar always helps.
Whoops...timer just went off for my roast herbed chicken...gotta go!
Okay...chicken is absolutely scrumptious...basted with olive oil, fresh thyme and sage from the garden, kosher salt...mmmm
But I digress...just wanted to say also, Eve, glad you're from Cleveland. I don't think there's anyone else from Ohio on these blog lines except me (Columbus) but I lived in Cleveland (a new, at the time housing development called Euclid Heights) back when the Indians won the pennant. We were all rabid baseball fans of course!
But I digress...just wanted to say also, Eve, glad you're from Cleveland. I don't think there's anyone else from Ohio on these blog lines except me (Columbus) but I lived in Cleveland (a new, at the time housing development called Euclid Heights) back when the Indians won the pennant. We were all rabid baseball fans of course!
WAY OT...
I was absolutely positively sure that some WONDERful recapper translated the theme song of Pasion. Anyone else remember this? and can you lead me to it please?
I already tried word search of lyric, song, suenyo, etc.
I was absolutely positively sure that some WONDERful recapper translated the theme song of Pasion. Anyone else remember this? and can you lead me to it please?
I already tried word search of lyric, song, suenyo, etc.
Thanks for the recap! This show is good so far although there are alot of characters to get straight. Got new cable and now need to figure the DVR....
Can't wait to see tonights!
Can't wait to see tonights!
Permalink posted by : Monday, June 30, 2008 at 11:44:00 AM EDT
: Monday, June 30, 2008 at 11:44:00 AM EDT
Judy, thanks for big welcoming (with the chicken)! I wish I was there to try it!
Hey, we still are rooting for our Indians, too bad that there no more pennants for awhile. But we are keeping our hopes up ( always). Next week I will go to the game with my hubby. It's my annual Indians game - I'm actually not too much of the fan, mostly when they are in playoffs and up.
Bonney, I found some other translation of the song of Pasión for you :
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/s/sarah_brightman/pasin_english.html
I actually googled: "Pasión lyrics in English"
Eve from Cleveland
Hey, we still are rooting for our Indians, too bad that there no more pennants for awhile. But we are keeping our hopes up ( always). Next week I will go to the game with my hubby. It's my annual Indians game - I'm actually not too much of the fan, mostly when they are in playoffs and up.
Bonney, I found some other translation of the song of Pasión for you :
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/s/sarah_brightman/pasin_english.html
I actually googled: "Pasión lyrics in English"
Eve from Cleveland
Permalink posted by : Monday, June 30, 2008 at 11:49:00 AM EDT
: Monday, June 30, 2008 at 11:49:00 AM EDT
Wow...Becky T and Bonney Churros...we on the 7 pm team are thrilled to have some new commenters...as I may have said before, so many viewers bailed on Juan that sometimes it was just us recappers talking back and forth to ourselves.
Eve, thanks for giving Bonney the link to the Pasión lyrics. I'm thinking of buying the Sarah Brightman album just so I can listen to it again. I'm sure the other songs on that album would be good as well.
And yes, Becky T., there are a wad of characters right now but they're all linked up in rather unbelievable ways, so I'm sure we'll sort them out after a couple of weeks.
Eve, thanks for giving Bonney the link to the Pasión lyrics. I'm thinking of buying the Sarah Brightman album just so I can listen to it again. I'm sure the other songs on that album would be good as well.
And yes, Becky T., there are a wad of characters right now but they're all linked up in rather unbelievable ways, so I'm sure we'll sort them out after a couple of weeks.
By the way, today Telemundo starts "El Juramento" at 8PM.
I want to try and see may be it will be something interesting.
Anybody else has plans for it?
Eve from Cleveland
I want to try and see may be it will be something interesting.
Anybody else has plans for it?
Eve from Cleveland
Permalink posted by : Monday, June 30, 2008 at 12:11:00 PM EDT
: Monday, June 30, 2008 at 12:11:00 PM EDT
I don't get Telemundo with our cable package but if you watch it, Eve, maybe you can tell us a little about it from time to time.
Jean recaps programs from Telemundo I believe. So she might take it on. And she does pictures! (And she explained it to me once but I'm not skilled technically with computers or DVR's to understand her technique (I used a garage sale VCR that I have to hand program, no remote). Gives you some idea.
Jean recaps programs from Telemundo I believe. So she might take it on. And she does pictures! (And she explained it to me once but I'm not skilled technically with computers or DVR's to understand her technique (I used a garage sale VCR that I have to hand program, no remote). Gives you some idea.
I found out that this new tn 'El Juramento' actually remake of La Mentira and the original author is Caridad Bravo Adams - the same as for Amor Real. I never seen La Mentira and haven't read the book (yet) but knowing who the author is actually gives me the boost to watch.
I will definitely put some comments and I hope it will be worth watching.
Eve from Cleveland
I will definitely put some comments and I hope it will be worth watching.
Eve from Cleveland
Permalink posted by : Monday, June 30, 2008 at 3:03:00 PM EDT
: Monday, June 30, 2008 at 3:03:00 PM EDT
That will be great Eve.
You know it doesn't cost a thing to sign up for Google and then we see you name right up top and we know right away it's our Eve instead of just someone Anonymous.
I was hesitant at first (this was before I became a recapper) but it's nothing...it just means you have a gmail address.
You know it doesn't cost a thing to sign up for Google and then we see you name right up top and we know right away it's our Eve instead of just someone Anonymous.
I was hesitant at first (this was before I became a recapper) but it's nothing...it just means you have a gmail address.
Judy, I already have an account and you are right, I need to use it for login. I'll try to do it now.
Eve from Cleveland
P.S. I'm still trying
Eve from Cleveland
P.S. I'm still trying
Permalink posted by : Monday, June 30, 2008 at 4:29:00 PM EDT
: Monday, June 30, 2008 at 4:29:00 PM EDT
It was haunting me that Sara looked Sooooo familiar! It finally dawned on me (and was probably mentioned here at the beginning) that Carmen Becerra was Lydia, Diego's sister on ASL.
There has been some mention by ladies of wanting to see Alonso with shirt off. No doubt because he is a former Mr. World contestant. (First runner up 1999 representing Mexico). He has that classic wedge shaped torso. Guess that makes up for his lack of acting talent.
I like the pace of the program, but hard to keep up with all the characters. I keep a notebook by my arm chair where I can record names, relationships, character (maldita, naco, amante de ____, nieta verdadera, nieta falsa, etc.). It seems to help.
There has been some mention by ladies of wanting to see Alonso with shirt off. No doubt because he is a former Mr. World contestant. (First runner up 1999 representing Mexico). He has that classic wedge shaped torso. Guess that makes up for his lack of acting talent.
I like the pace of the program, but hard to keep up with all the characters. I keep a notebook by my arm chair where I can record names, relationships, character (maldita, naco, amante de ____, nieta verdadera, nieta falsa, etc.). It seems to help.
Yeah, as some have said here, we are sorely below average on the hunk-o-meter. Gabriel is a nice looking blonde with a nice square jaw, but he doesn't quite get the job done for me. As for his character, Alonso has a sweet puppydog expression that Lorena must really dig. It's as if he's begging her to respond to him and he's not sure of himself, yet he's supposed to be a real ladie's man and have had all these hawt young women after him. Guess I just like the kind of guy who lives large and takes charge.....
Funny, how most here seem to be drawn to the dark and handsome more, dare I say, traditional looking latino male. I'd mostly agree excpet I've seen Soto looking better in other novelas with highlighted hair and much darker skin (more beach boy looking) and he looked more hot, but I've also seen him play the role of a complete geek ala Tomas in Fea with slicked back hair, pants pulled up over waist and narly teeth. It's amazing how versatile he actually is.
Speaking of versatile...that crazy Paula looks absolutely nothing like her loose Lorena character on Juan Q. I can barely see the resemblance. Amazing what make up can do!!! When you all said it was the same gal, Sharis Cyd, I thought you were on crack!! :)
Speaking of versatile...that crazy Paula looks absolutely nothing like her loose Lorena character on Juan Q. I can barely see the resemblance. Amazing what make up can do!!! When you all said it was the same gal, Sharis Cyd, I thought you were on crack!! :)
K, Paula on this show wasn't Lorena on Juan, but she was Yolanda--Heriberto's ex wife who was stolen by Juan and one of the two reasons why Heri wanted Juan's hide in the first place. The most important, of course, was his sister Herlinda. But, Yolanda noticed Juan back, and then followed him from Achichipico when he first went back to the D. F. after his months of wandering and his landing in Achichipico. Juan took her to the Casa Cachón and introduced her to the family as his "girlfriend" which upset both Marely and Paula. Then he returned to Achichipico and set up the beauty contest, etc., and Lorena showed up. Yolanda was from last fall or so, before Susana. It really is hard to keep his women straight, isn't it?
Paula on this show is played by Sharis Cid. She definitely looks different from how she did in Juan.
Jeanne
Paula on this show is played by Sharis Cid. She definitely looks different from how she did in Juan.
Jeanne
yes, Ribera Joe...glad to see you back and keep taking notes 'cause we may need to check from time to time...they've thrown a slew of new characters at us in a very intense beginning week.
Jardinera...love your "living large and taking charge" viewpoint. I go for that in fantasy but when it comes to real life I prefer the shy, vulnerable types.
However, back to fantasy, yeah, I saw promos of our Alonso in a daytime soap with highlighted hair and tan...and he was to die for! Can't say I'm as excited about the sweaters and brown hair...just a shallow old lady I guess.
But come to think of it, I remember in my youth, that guys only fell in love with me in the summer when I was tan! So it works both ways.
Jardinera...love your "living large and taking charge" viewpoint. I go for that in fantasy but when it comes to real life I prefer the shy, vulnerable types.
However, back to fantasy, yeah, I saw promos of our Alonso in a daytime soap with highlighted hair and tan...and he was to die for! Can't say I'm as excited about the sweaters and brown hair...just a shallow old lady I guess.
But come to think of it, I remember in my youth, that guys only fell in love with me in the summer when I was tan! So it works both ways.
OMG! We're up to 58 comments!
Anywhoo, Eve, there was a fabulous version of "La Mentira" back in 1984 called "El Amor Nunca Muere" with Frank Moro and Christian Bach. Instead of a remote hacienda, he took her to the middle of the jungle, to the same cabin where his brother drank himself to death. There is definite potential there ;)
Anywhoo, Eve, there was a fabulous version of "La Mentira" back in 1984 called "El Amor Nunca Muere" with Frank Moro and Christian Bach. Instead of a remote hacienda, he took her to the middle of the jungle, to the same cabin where his brother drank himself to death. There is definite potential there ;)
Ah!! So I'm the one on crack then! I can't remember Yolanda's face. I remember the storyline, but I'm not seeing her face. I'll have to go back and look at my archivos.
Generally anything from Caridad Bravo Adams that I've seen has been a great story! I know that La Mentira was well received, maybe because of Guy Ecker and Kate del Castillo being in the leads. I saw the first 6 episodios but didn't continue with it on DVD. --If Schoolmarm is correct, we can now get Telemundo online, streaming it maybe a day or two after and watch El Juramento that way. I don't know if the streaming has CC in Spanish. Real Player allows for CC when watching, but I haven't ever been successful using that on my computer. Just a thought.....
Nah, Kris, why would anyone remember Yolanda from Yo Amo a Juan? She barely was there for a week or so of episodes way back when. And now, Sharis Cid is missing at least two layers of make-up.
Jardinera, I haven't been able to get captions on Telemundo or YouTube or any of those. I would welcome them! Still, I am finding I can understand better than I ever have with just the spoken lines.
Jeanne
Jardinera, I haven't been able to get captions on Telemundo or YouTube or any of those. I would welcome them! Still, I am finding I can understand better than I ever have with just the spoken lines.
Jeanne
I tried to use my google login for posting but after trying multiple times ( believe me - too many) I found out that my browser doesn't support it - I'm using Firefox instead of Internet Explorer. Well, too bad, at least now I know that it's not me!
Regarding El Juramento.
I watched it and at this point I like it. Telemundo gives you an option to watch English cc on CC3 and even though I try not to use captions watching TNs ( I watch QE without captions - dramatically improves understanding) I turned them on and felt much better. Sometimes the background sound was loder then the spoken word and it was much easier to follow with English cc.
By the way, what site do you use to watch this show on the computer?
Eve
Regarding El Juramento.
I watched it and at this point I like it. Telemundo gives you an option to watch English cc on CC3 and even though I try not to use captions watching TNs ( I watch QE without captions - dramatically improves understanding) I turned them on and felt much better. Sometimes the background sound was loder then the spoken word and it was much easier to follow with English cc.
By the way, what site do you use to watch this show on the computer?
Eve
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: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 12:11:00 PM EDT
Eve, I have used Firefox for two years to access and post on the blog. It works very well for me, and I sign into gmail with Firefox. I have a Mac, though...
I watched QE on YouTube this weekend after Gaby pointed it out.
Jeanne
I watched QE on YouTube this weekend after Gaby pointed it out.
Jeanne
I love Lorena (Querida Enemiga) with Ernesto. I know he is great looking and women love him but its no reason for Lorena to leave him b/c of her jealousy. He is jealous too but knows how to control it. She is handling it like the inexperience young woman that she is when it comes to love.
Didn't she learn from Alonso. Alonso never trusted her. Always accused her of having something going with Chalo, even before the conspiracy started. Didn't believe her when she told him about the Taxi getting lost and other things. He should have made it a habit to pick her up whenever they were going out instead of her having to take car services to meet and go anywhere with him:P
I definitely do not like Alonso for Lorena. I hope she stays with Ernesto. They make such a beautiful couple. I know he loves her dearly, and is sincere about his feelings for her.
I hope he doesn't give up winning her love.
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Didn't she learn from Alonso. Alonso never trusted her. Always accused her of having something going with Chalo, even before the conspiracy started. Didn't believe her when she told him about the Taxi getting lost and other things. He should have made it a habit to pick her up whenever they were going out instead of her having to take car services to meet and go anywhere with him:P
I definitely do not like Alonso for Lorena. I hope she stays with Ernesto. They make such a beautiful couple. I know he loves her dearly, and is sincere about his feelings for her.
I hope he doesn't give up winning her love.
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