Saturday, December 11, 2010
El Mundo de Telemundo: Week of December 13
Discuss amongst yourselves
¡Hola a todos! As you may have noticed, Jean and I are still trying to figure out the best way to organize this thing. You may remember how it came into being: we didn’t have the requisite five recappers for any one novela, but we Telemundo fans wanted a place to talk about our favorite shows. So we started El Mundo de Telemundo (EMT). We’ve been tackling at least three and sometimes four or five separate novelas in a space posted weekly.
As the number of comments grows, it gets harder to follow a topic of interest. Most of us, I think, are only interested in one or maybe two shows and would probably appreciate a way to navigate the forest of comments. So in the interest of Chaos Control, I had a couple of ideas:
1. Put a clear topic heading on every comment, preferably in caps. For example:
AURORA
Tuesday’s episode was…
or:
GENERAL COMMENT
Telemundo seems to be more concerned with…
That way, we can decide right up front whether to keep on reading. I realize that a lot of us are already doing this, but to those who aren’t – hey, it would help.
2. It’s hard to get away from the recap mindset – I’m the worst offender with the wordy Aurora screeds I’ve inflicted on you – but I do think comments or questions about what you’ve watched or what others have said are the way to go here. Considering the number of novelas in one place and the fact that the link is for an entire week, when we do post plot updates, it might be best to limit them to brief summaries, basically bullet points of daily episodes.
So. That’s my thinking. I’m looking forward to Jean’s return here in a week or two. I know her perspective is going to be helpful. And thanks to everyone – commenters and readers – for keeping this space alive. And lively.
My comments on the developments of the past week in AURORA and ALGUIEN TE MIRA:
AURORA
I am still convinced that Aurora has a short time on this earth. She is a sort of angel (although lately she seems anything but angelic) returned to earth with a specific mission: first, to turn Blanca’s life around; and second, to leave Lorenzo with the knowledge that what they had was real.
But since this is a 100 hours plus telenovela and not a movie or short story, it will be a looooooooooooong time before the mission is fulfilled.
Meanwhile:
The junta’s approval of Aurora’s reanimation comes a little late. The press is watching closely. And now Martín’s friend, Dra Liliana, is asking way too many questions. Gustavo’s solution: disarm her by charming her. Dr. Elizabeth’s: kill her.
Helping Blanca become a good person becomes more challenging each day. And it’s not clear that hiring César as Blanca’s chauffeur is a move in the right direction.
Nina’s road to redemption is also getting longer and steeper every day. First we saw her quasi-incestuous seduction of Martín. Then we saw her injure herself and blame it on Aurora. And now on Friday’s episode she sabotages stage equipment with the clear intent of harming Aurora – maybe even killing her -- and removing her as the star of the show.
In the department of unintentional humor: Dr. Williams explains to Gustavo why he’s so eager to help him. He says: “I am desperately in love with you.” Does this guy look like he’s in love with anyone?
On Friday’s episode, when the beloved dance instructor, who has only a month left to live, asks Aurora about Cryonics, she tries to dissuade him from considering it. In doing so, she reveals to him that she is the original Aurora. (Interestingly, he is unconvinced by her arguments against the procedure: he is eager to cheat death.)
Also on Friday, Natalia confesses to Lorenzo that she was involved with Gustavo years ago, but denies that Gus is Nina’s father. Both Martín and Lorenzo are angered when they realize she has been lying about her recent contact with Gustavo.
And finally: Hot or guácala (Spanish for 'blech')? You decide – César and Vanesa in a car. On the street in front of the Lobos apartment. In broad daylight.
ALGUIEN TE MIRA
There are precious few sympathetic characters left. My candidate for most nauseating moment of the week: The Julián/Piedad kiss. When they showed it again as a flashback, I actually had to avert my eyes.
The most shocking moment: Tatiana ripping the earrings off Camila, right through her earlobes.
The most unfair moment: Seeing Lola accused of threatening Luci after all the crap Luci has gotten away with.
Proof that a little perversion isn’t always a deal-breaker: Mauricio may be a voyeur but ironically, he’s turning out to be a decent guy who really loves Matilde. Will she be able to forgive him?
Rodrigo’s rescue of the model, Valeria, from the abyss was a nice way to show him as a healer. But much has been made of Valeria and Rodrigo being alike. I don’t think she’s long for this world. I suspect her dramatic function is to shock Rodrigo straight with her death.
Unfortunately, Daniela is in Julian’s crosshairs. Will the police crack the case in time to save her? Not likely. But maybe they’ll stop Julián before he gets to Piedad.
My favorite characters right now: Matilde and Carvajal. They are both morally grounded, both free of artifice. Matilde is increasingly dismayed by what she is learning about these people she thought were her friends. And Carvajal is the clear-eyed one who keeps the police investigation on track.
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Okay, my friends. Have at.
¡Hola a todos! As you may have noticed, Jean and I are still trying to figure out the best way to organize this thing. You may remember how it came into being: we didn’t have the requisite five recappers for any one novela, but we Telemundo fans wanted a place to talk about our favorite shows. So we started El Mundo de Telemundo (EMT). We’ve been tackling at least three and sometimes four or five separate novelas in a space posted weekly.
As the number of comments grows, it gets harder to follow a topic of interest. Most of us, I think, are only interested in one or maybe two shows and would probably appreciate a way to navigate the forest of comments. So in the interest of Chaos Control, I had a couple of ideas:
1. Put a clear topic heading on every comment, preferably in caps. For example:
AURORA
Tuesday’s episode was…
or:
GENERAL COMMENT
Telemundo seems to be more concerned with…
That way, we can decide right up front whether to keep on reading. I realize that a lot of us are already doing this, but to those who aren’t – hey, it would help.
2. It’s hard to get away from the recap mindset – I’m the worst offender with the wordy Aurora screeds I’ve inflicted on you – but I do think comments or questions about what you’ve watched or what others have said are the way to go here. Considering the number of novelas in one place and the fact that the link is for an entire week, when we do post plot updates, it might be best to limit them to brief summaries, basically bullet points of daily episodes.
So. That’s my thinking. I’m looking forward to Jean’s return here in a week or two. I know her perspective is going to be helpful. And thanks to everyone – commenters and readers – for keeping this space alive. And lively.
My comments on the developments of the past week in AURORA and ALGUIEN TE MIRA:
AURORA
I am still convinced that Aurora has a short time on this earth. She is a sort of angel (although lately she seems anything but angelic) returned to earth with a specific mission: first, to turn Blanca’s life around; and second, to leave Lorenzo with the knowledge that what they had was real.
But since this is a 100 hours plus telenovela and not a movie or short story, it will be a looooooooooooong time before the mission is fulfilled.
Meanwhile:
The junta’s approval of Aurora’s reanimation comes a little late. The press is watching closely. And now Martín’s friend, Dra Liliana, is asking way too many questions. Gustavo’s solution: disarm her by charming her. Dr. Elizabeth’s: kill her.
Helping Blanca become a good person becomes more challenging each day. And it’s not clear that hiring César as Blanca’s chauffeur is a move in the right direction.
Nina’s road to redemption is also getting longer and steeper every day. First we saw her quasi-incestuous seduction of Martín. Then we saw her injure herself and blame it on Aurora. And now on Friday’s episode she sabotages stage equipment with the clear intent of harming Aurora – maybe even killing her -- and removing her as the star of the show.
In the department of unintentional humor: Dr. Williams explains to Gustavo why he’s so eager to help him. He says: “I am desperately in love with you.” Does this guy look like he’s in love with anyone?
On Friday’s episode, when the beloved dance instructor, who has only a month left to live, asks Aurora about Cryonics, she tries to dissuade him from considering it. In doing so, she reveals to him that she is the original Aurora. (Interestingly, he is unconvinced by her arguments against the procedure: he is eager to cheat death.)
Also on Friday, Natalia confesses to Lorenzo that she was involved with Gustavo years ago, but denies that Gus is Nina’s father. Both Martín and Lorenzo are angered when they realize she has been lying about her recent contact with Gustavo.
And finally: Hot or guácala (Spanish for 'blech')? You decide – César and Vanesa in a car. On the street in front of the Lobos apartment. In broad daylight.
ALGUIEN TE MIRA
There are precious few sympathetic characters left. My candidate for most nauseating moment of the week: The Julián/Piedad kiss. When they showed it again as a flashback, I actually had to avert my eyes.
The most shocking moment: Tatiana ripping the earrings off Camila, right through her earlobes.
The most unfair moment: Seeing Lola accused of threatening Luci after all the crap Luci has gotten away with.
Proof that a little perversion isn’t always a deal-breaker: Mauricio may be a voyeur but ironically, he’s turning out to be a decent guy who really loves Matilde. Will she be able to forgive him?
Rodrigo’s rescue of the model, Valeria, from the abyss was a nice way to show him as a healer. But much has been made of Valeria and Rodrigo being alike. I don’t think she’s long for this world. I suspect her dramatic function is to shock Rodrigo straight with her death.
Unfortunately, Daniela is in Julian’s crosshairs. Will the police crack the case in time to save her? Not likely. But maybe they’ll stop Julián before he gets to Piedad.
My favorite characters right now: Matilde and Carvajal. They are both morally grounded, both free of artifice. Matilde is increasingly dismayed by what she is learning about these people she thought were her friends. And Carvajal is the clear-eyed one who keeps the police investigation on track.
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Okay, my friends. Have at.
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I’d like to compliment NovelaMaven on her excellent ideas for making Mundo de Telemundo more user friendly. Since there are a whole week’s comments about several novelas stacking up, it would be great to have each person label their comment, and the day of the week it refers to.
This would also save those of us who DVR episodes and occasionally see them a day or even two days later from reading spoilers.
From my perspective, what I enjoy most are comments about the actions of the night before. Also, if you miss one, the Telemundo web site has full episodes available to view. I don’t think full recaps of that many novelas in one week are what I was hoping Mundo de Telemundo would provide.
Regarding Alguien, I am completely fed up with Piedad at this time. She keeps fanning the flames of Julián's obsession. I think the pregnancy was just an excuse because she still doesn't want to have sex with him. Maybe on some unconscious level she knows what he is.
As for Tatiana, I couldn't muster much sympathy. What mother smashes everything in sight so her poor children have to see it?
I like this novela, but it needs to be in últimos capitulos soon. There are a lot of threads of plot hanging: Luci, Julián, Valeria's demise or rehabilitation. But I think it will get tiresome waiting for Julián to get caught and Piedad to wake up and forgive Rodrigo.
This would also save those of us who DVR episodes and occasionally see them a day or even two days later from reading spoilers.
From my perspective, what I enjoy most are comments about the actions of the night before. Also, if you miss one, the Telemundo web site has full episodes available to view. I don’t think full recaps of that many novelas in one week are what I was hoping Mundo de Telemundo would provide.
Regarding Alguien, I am completely fed up with Piedad at this time. She keeps fanning the flames of Julián's obsession. I think the pregnancy was just an excuse because she still doesn't want to have sex with him. Maybe on some unconscious level she knows what he is.
As for Tatiana, I couldn't muster much sympathy. What mother smashes everything in sight so her poor children have to see it?
I like this novela, but it needs to be in últimos capitulos soon. There are a lot of threads of plot hanging: Luci, Julián, Valeria's demise or rehabilitation. But I think it will get tiresome waiting for Julián to get caught and Piedad to wake up and forgive Rodrigo.
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: Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 1:18:00 PM EST
: Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 1:18:00 PM EST
Thank you NovelaMaven! I love your recaps and they capture all the high and low points of the week.
Re Alguien:
That was an epic tantrum Tati threw after finding Benja and Camila! I actually totally understand Tati's rage. She's the one who sent her kids away in the first place because she didn't want them to see any ugliness with their dad leaving. She was just in such a complete and understandable rage after seeing her sister and husband in the act, that she was literally out of her mind for some time after. I can forgive a momentary lapse in judgement after something so traumatic. I think Lola having a loaded gun in the house with three little girls is far more crazy and dangerous.
Guacala is right about Piedad and Julian. Yuck and doubel yuck! Please stop the kissing now! I can't believe she's decided to give him a chance at a relationship with her. What's wrong with her? And doesn't it seem odd to her that he's so eager and ready to jump into a relationship with her when he's so "sad" about Eva?
I like that Rodrigo and Daniela have seemed to develop a nice friendship and she's encouraging him to fight for Piedad. I really don't want Julian to kill her. I think you're right about the purpose Valeria will serve in Rod's life and that she might die from her drug issues. It will be more of a reason for Rod to straighten out his life.
Re Alguien:
That was an epic tantrum Tati threw after finding Benja and Camila! I actually totally understand Tati's rage. She's the one who sent her kids away in the first place because she didn't want them to see any ugliness with their dad leaving. She was just in such a complete and understandable rage after seeing her sister and husband in the act, that she was literally out of her mind for some time after. I can forgive a momentary lapse in judgement after something so traumatic. I think Lola having a loaded gun in the house with three little girls is far more crazy and dangerous.
Guacala is right about Piedad and Julian. Yuck and doubel yuck! Please stop the kissing now! I can't believe she's decided to give him a chance at a relationship with her. What's wrong with her? And doesn't it seem odd to her that he's so eager and ready to jump into a relationship with her when he's so "sad" about Eva?
I like that Rodrigo and Daniela have seemed to develop a nice friendship and she's encouraging him to fight for Piedad. I really don't want Julian to kill her. I think you're right about the purpose Valeria will serve in Rod's life and that she might die from her drug issues. It will be more of a reason for Rod to straighten out his life.
NovelaMaven, thanks for Mundo de Telemundo and all he recaps. I've been watching Alguein and I watched the Dec. 10 episode.
Lola was arresed with the charge of using a weapon which could possibly give her jail time. But Pedro Pablo told the detective something which I thought perhaps would cause the charges to be dropped. What was it he said...? Was it that the gun had no bullets in it....???
Ann-NYC
Lola was arresed with the charge of using a weapon which could possibly give her jail time. But Pedro Pablo told the detective something which I thought perhaps would cause the charges to be dropped. What was it he said...? Was it that the gun had no bullets in it....???
Ann-NYC
Permalink posted by : Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 2:31:00 PM EST
: Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 2:31:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN FRIDAY
Vivi, I agree about Daniela and Rodrigo. She calmly gave up on her "crush" and has decided to mentor him to sobriety. I DO NOT want her killed. Maybe she'll be his first failure; he'll try to grab her but she'll get away.
Hmmmm. If Valeria were going to die of an overdose, why did they bother having Rodrigo and Daniela save her? I don't think that's going to happen. I think he was already scared enough by the sight of her on the floor of the bathroom stall.
I'm fairly tired of Lola as well. She keeps subjecting her children to rants about Luci. They're better off not seeing their mother that way. And I still remember how stubbornly she insisted on her BFF relationship with Luci despite her husband's protests. Of course, he could have told her the truth!
Vivi, I agree about Daniela and Rodrigo. She calmly gave up on her "crush" and has decided to mentor him to sobriety. I DO NOT want her killed. Maybe she'll be his first failure; he'll try to grab her but she'll get away.
Hmmmm. If Valeria were going to die of an overdose, why did they bother having Rodrigo and Daniela save her? I don't think that's going to happen. I think he was already scared enough by the sight of her on the floor of the bathroom stall.
I'm fairly tired of Lola as well. She keeps subjecting her children to rants about Luci. They're better off not seeing their mother that way. And I still remember how stubbornly she insisted on her BFF relationship with Luci despite her husband's protests. Of course, he could have told her the truth!
Permalink posted by : Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 5:29:00 PM EST
: Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 5:29:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN:
As someone (I think Vivi) pointed out, maybe Julian will accidentally kill Valeria, while intending to kill Daniela. That would fulfill just about all the comments people listed above.
I also find it weird (but convenient for us viewers) that everybody sleeps with bright lights on, such as Benjamin and his kid the other night, Benja and Camila (who got down to their undies, but no further, this not being cable), just about everyone. I guess we have to have a little suspension of belief for the sake of a clear viewing experience.
As someone (I think Vivi) pointed out, maybe Julian will accidentally kill Valeria, while intending to kill Daniela. That would fulfill just about all the comments people listed above.
I also find it weird (but convenient for us viewers) that everybody sleeps with bright lights on, such as Benjamin and his kid the other night, Benja and Camila (who got down to their undies, but no further, this not being cable), just about everyone. I guess we have to have a little suspension of belief for the sake of a clear viewing experience.
re ALGUIEN: I agree with Vivi about Tatiana. Given what she just experienced, breaking things in her house and setting Benja's clothes on fire was not a bad way to go. I felt we were being teased with the possibility that she was going to do something irrevocable --like kill Benja and Camila. So her acting out on her anger the way she did was healthier --especially more than Lola brandishing her gun.
I agree with everyone --what is wrong with Piedad? She basically has told Julian that she doesn't love him, but is making a choice to be happy!!! She is really using him emotionally and at this point I dont like her at all.
Matilde is turning out to be the best of the group. She is really there for Tati. She is trying to deal with Mauricio on an adult level. She also is being realistic about seeing her friends for what they really are. And she is also learning how to stand up for herself vis-a-vis Julian. I am wondering whether she might remember the dress/pearls, or the photo of it, and be the one to expose Julian.
I agree with everyone --what is wrong with Piedad? She basically has told Julian that she doesn't love him, but is making a choice to be happy!!! She is really using him emotionally and at this point I dont like her at all.
Matilde is turning out to be the best of the group. She is really there for Tati. She is trying to deal with Mauricio on an adult level. She also is being realistic about seeing her friends for what they really are. And she is also learning how to stand up for herself vis-a-vis Julian. I am wondering whether she might remember the dress/pearls, or the photo of it, and be the one to expose Julian.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 9:18:00 PM EST
: Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 9:18:00 PM EST
Re AURORA:
I realize that we haven't had many gay characters in novelas to date, but this looks very forced and strikes me as a distraction. Not to mention making Dr Williams look like a fool. BTW, is that also meant as a swipe against gringos?
As to Aurora's medical vulnerability: It looks like a new version of the old cliche of the illness that will kill if the sufferer has sexual relations or even strong emotions. Not something I ever found credible, but if we buy it in Mundo de Novelas (any network) this will mean that Aurora's life may only be sustainable if she forswears emotion. Which is not realistic
And while we're at it I have to wonder exactly how cryonics is supposed to work without causing external tissue damage. I had thermage in 2005 and it started to break down about two years ago. I may actually look much worse than I did in 2004. I wish I had gone under the knife instead.
I realize that we haven't had many gay characters in novelas to date, but this looks very forced and strikes me as a distraction. Not to mention making Dr Williams look like a fool. BTW, is that also meant as a swipe against gringos?
As to Aurora's medical vulnerability: It looks like a new version of the old cliche of the illness that will kill if the sufferer has sexual relations or even strong emotions. Not something I ever found credible, but if we buy it in Mundo de Novelas (any network) this will mean that Aurora's life may only be sustainable if she forswears emotion. Which is not realistic
And while we're at it I have to wonder exactly how cryonics is supposed to work without causing external tissue damage. I had thermage in 2005 and it started to break down about two years ago. I may actually look much worse than I did in 2004. I wish I had gone under the knife instead.
GENERAL
NovelaMaven, love your idea of labeling our comments so those not interested can skip should they choose. Often, however, the comments may lead others to begin watching another novela. Oh goodness, there goes the rest of my free time! On the other hand, I don't like not having at least the mini recaps. As someone who just can't understand much Spanish, they are helpful for watching; additionally, they actually are helpful to learn more Spanish as well. I hope you decide to keep them up. What I really hope for, of course, is five people doing full blown recaps in a spot reserved for the novela being so reviewed.
But under any circumstance, your aid has been invaluable and I thank you so much. Lois
NovelaMaven, love your idea of labeling our comments so those not interested can skip should they choose. Often, however, the comments may lead others to begin watching another novela. Oh goodness, there goes the rest of my free time! On the other hand, I don't like not having at least the mini recaps. As someone who just can't understand much Spanish, they are helpful for watching; additionally, they actually are helpful to learn more Spanish as well. I hope you decide to keep them up. What I really hope for, of course, is five people doing full blown recaps in a spot reserved for the novela being so reviewed.
But under any circumstance, your aid has been invaluable and I thank you so much. Lois
Permalink posted by : Sunday, December 12, 2010 at 11:29:00 AM EST
: Sunday, December 12, 2010 at 11:29:00 AM EST
GENERAL
Thanks for the great comments this weekend.
Novelera, I'm glad you like the idea for tweaking the format of this space a bit. As we all know, it's a work in progress and a communal one at that.
Lois, I'm hoping that people will keep contributing "highlights" of their favorite shows. But I'm also hoping that you will bring your questions to this space. Most of the time someone here can clear up language or plot questions. As for logic questions -- they have no place in this context!
Thanks for the great comments this weekend.
Novelera, I'm glad you like the idea for tweaking the format of this space a bit. As we all know, it's a work in progress and a communal one at that.
Lois, I'm hoping that people will keep contributing "highlights" of their favorite shows. But I'm also hoping that you will bring your questions to this space. Most of the time someone here can clear up language or plot questions. As for logic questions -- they have no place in this context!
AURORA
Urban, my impression is that in the past few years, many novelas do include gay characters although they are often buffoons like Luigi Lombardi on La Fea Más Bella or simply exaggeratedly effeminate like the uncle on Tontas. But since ALL the characters on these novelas are pretty much stereotypes, it's not remarkable that the gay ones are too.
As for the mysterious Dr. Williams, his declaration of love was so unexpected, so... weird... that it cracked me up. Are they mocking gringos? I don't know. The whole undertaking feels pretty gringoesque. It just so happens that the actors speak Spanish. The only actors who look distinctly Hispanic are Lola's housekeeper and the Rodrigo's crazy dealer.
About how cryonics might avoid tissue damage, you might find this article interesting:
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/feb/biology-of-cryogenics
It's a few years old but still speaks to the points you raise.
Urban, my impression is that in the past few years, many novelas do include gay characters although they are often buffoons like Luigi Lombardi on La Fea Más Bella or simply exaggeratedly effeminate like the uncle on Tontas. But since ALL the characters on these novelas are pretty much stereotypes, it's not remarkable that the gay ones are too.
As for the mysterious Dr. Williams, his declaration of love was so unexpected, so... weird... that it cracked me up. Are they mocking gringos? I don't know. The whole undertaking feels pretty gringoesque. It just so happens that the actors speak Spanish. The only actors who look distinctly Hispanic are Lola's housekeeper and the Rodrigo's crazy dealer.
About how cryonics might avoid tissue damage, you might find this article interesting:
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/feb/biology-of-cryogenics
It's a few years old but still speaks to the points you raise.
ALGUIEN
Vivi, I really liked your comment from the other day where you compared Tati/Benja to Lola/Pedro Pablo and pointed out that in both cases the men knew exactly who they were marrying.
I have to agree with those of you who sympathize with Tati's reaction. As you said, she got her kids out of the house. She didn't do serious physical damage to anyone. She didn't burn down the house - just a few shmatas belong to her scuzzy husband. She is no longer perfect. But maybe now she understands she doesn't have to be.
I also agree that Piedad is looking increasingly less sympathetic. Her body language shows that she feels no attraction to Julián. She is using him, taking advantage of his obsession for her. Let's hope the writers don't make her pay for this behavior with her life.
Vivi, I really liked your comment from the other day where you compared Tati/Benja to Lola/Pedro Pablo and pointed out that in both cases the men knew exactly who they were marrying.
I have to agree with those of you who sympathize with Tati's reaction. As you said, she got her kids out of the house. She didn't do serious physical damage to anyone. She didn't burn down the house - just a few shmatas belong to her scuzzy husband. She is no longer perfect. But maybe now she understands she doesn't have to be.
I also agree that Piedad is looking increasingly less sympathetic. Her body language shows that she feels no attraction to Julián. She is using him, taking advantage of his obsession for her. Let's hope the writers don't make her pay for this behavior with her life.
GENERAL
Urban Anthropologist: whoah! I am/was considering thermage in the next year or so. what do you mean 'break down?' I've only heard about it, but do not know anyone who's had it done. explicame, por favor.
Urban Anthropologist: whoah! I am/was considering thermage in the next year or so. what do you mean 'break down?' I've only heard about it, but do not know anyone who's had it done. explicame, por favor.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, December 12, 2010 at 8:02:00 PM EST
: Sunday, December 12, 2010 at 8:02:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN
Although I, too, think Piedad is crazy to give in to Julian's advances, maybe she's just getting carried away by his sex appeal. Of course, she doesn't have a clue that he's the murderer (which we know, and see confirmed in every glance, flinch or breath Julian takes). I know that lots of men (especially on novelas), when a beautiful woman starts kissing, getting close, etc., completely forgot their powers of reason, and just go with the moment, so maybe Piedad is, too. It's maddening for us viewers, because when Piedad sees a strong, manly hand, gently comforting her forehead or chin, we see an instrument of death, just waiting to strike!
Although I, too, think Piedad is crazy to give in to Julian's advances, maybe she's just getting carried away by his sex appeal. Of course, she doesn't have a clue that he's the murderer (which we know, and see confirmed in every glance, flinch or breath Julian takes). I know that lots of men (especially on novelas), when a beautiful woman starts kissing, getting close, etc., completely forgot their powers of reason, and just go with the moment, so maybe Piedad is, too. It's maddening for us viewers, because when Piedad sees a strong, manly hand, gently comforting her forehead or chin, we see an instrument of death, just waiting to strike!
FANTASMA:
I love how nobody recognizes La Gemela in her cowboy outfit. She sure was suspicious in her total inability to split that piece of wood with the axe, but the other worker just decided she needed a different job, such as a guard (I think). Right, no problem, just give her a gun.
It's also funny how selective people's memory can be with the flashbacks. Michel is currently flashing back to a few times when Milady said it was over, completely ignoring all the other times, when they professed undying love to each other. But he'll come around.
And when they show Dulce and Montecristo, it's also hard to keep from cracking up (same for the actors, probably). Half the time they're threatening each other, but then they forget about that, and their animalistic, "evil" groping and kissing start all over again.
That Dulce is pretty tough. I think they said that in the prison, when Butterfly's two henchgirls (is that a word) attacked Dulce, one of them lost an eye, and the other had both corneas ruined. Those two definitely flunked Prison Beatings 101.
I love how nobody recognizes La Gemela in her cowboy outfit. She sure was suspicious in her total inability to split that piece of wood with the axe, but the other worker just decided she needed a different job, such as a guard (I think). Right, no problem, just give her a gun.
It's also funny how selective people's memory can be with the flashbacks. Michel is currently flashing back to a few times when Milady said it was over, completely ignoring all the other times, when they professed undying love to each other. But he'll come around.
And when they show Dulce and Montecristo, it's also hard to keep from cracking up (same for the actors, probably). Half the time they're threatening each other, but then they forget about that, and their animalistic, "evil" groping and kissing start all over again.
That Dulce is pretty tough. I think they said that in the prison, when Butterfly's two henchgirls (is that a word) attacked Dulce, one of them lost an eye, and the other had both corneas ruined. Those two definitely flunked Prison Beatings 101.
Shallowgal, my cheek areas and the areas around my mouth and chin have the surface look of a grapefruit (instead of being perfectly smooth), but a little shallower. My cheek areas are sagging a little, perhaps a little less than most women my age, but that now doesn't look any different to me from 2004. This doesn't necessarily happen to everyone. I also have some lines around my mouth. I'm a type 2 diabetic, which may be part of the problem.
If I had known this before I had it done, I would have had a surgical facelift instead. I was hoping to postpone that a few more years and I can't afford it at the moment.
BTW, thermage is not for people with low pain thresholds. The areas near the chin will hurt the worst during the treatment. Your skin gets frozen with a chemical mask prior to the treatment but that doesn't completely deaden the sensation. [end of digression
If I had known this before I had it done, I would have had a surgical facelift instead. I was hoping to postpone that a few more years and I can't afford it at the moment.
BTW, thermage is not for people with low pain thresholds. The areas near the chin will hurt the worst during the treatment. Your skin gets frozen with a chemical mask prior to the treatment but that doesn't completely deaden the sensation. [end of digression
GENERAL
Urban Anthropologist: I sincerely appreciate your candor. I was looking into non-surgical procedures. 'will seriously consider this when making my decision. muchisimas gracias!
Urban Anthropologist: I sincerely appreciate your candor. I was looking into non-surgical procedures. 'will seriously consider this when making my decision. muchisimas gracias!
Permalink posted by : Monday, December 13, 2010 at 8:08:00 PM EST
: Monday, December 13, 2010 at 8:08:00 PM EST
ELENA:
ok, the M&M shipper in me felt kinda disappointed at their "reunion" tonight. Not even a kiss? hahaha
Did Michel run into Lucia by chance, or did they plan to meet up?
Why wasn't Milady a bit more happy as she came through the gate? (love the gate reference...they always meet at the gate! haha)....could someone recap what they said to each other? I was trying to catch as much as I could, but I was a bit distracted by Maurico's five o'clock shadow....
Wow, did they move that baptism along so quickly...had no idea that we'd be seeing it today...and WHOAH MAMMA...the dress that Elena was wearing??? not very baptism appropriate, if you ask me! eeks.
and, lastly....HOW DID NOBODY SEE GEMELA STAND THERE WITH THE GUN??? or, at least her taking off with the kid?? I still can't believe they don't realize that Tomasito is missing. ugh.
now the baby snatchers (Dulce included) can now live it up inhaling the second hand smoke and starving to death....
I think I need that vacation....
ps- I've now caved in and watching a live stream of Telemundo each night for Elena...as opposed to waiting until the morning to watch the posted videos...I'm justifying this b/c it's "ultima capitulos" lol :p
ok, the M&M shipper in me felt kinda disappointed at their "reunion" tonight. Not even a kiss? hahaha
Did Michel run into Lucia by chance, or did they plan to meet up?
Why wasn't Milady a bit more happy as she came through the gate? (love the gate reference...they always meet at the gate! haha)....could someone recap what they said to each other? I was trying to catch as much as I could, but I was a bit distracted by Maurico's five o'clock shadow....
Wow, did they move that baptism along so quickly...had no idea that we'd be seeing it today...and WHOAH MAMMA...the dress that Elena was wearing??? not very baptism appropriate, if you ask me! eeks.
and, lastly....HOW DID NOBODY SEE GEMELA STAND THERE WITH THE GUN??? or, at least her taking off with the kid?? I still can't believe they don't realize that Tomasito is missing. ugh.
now the baby snatchers (Dulce included) can now live it up inhaling the second hand smoke and starving to death....
I think I need that vacation....
ps- I've now caved in and watching a live stream of Telemundo each night for Elena...as opposed to waiting until the morning to watch the posted videos...I'm justifying this b/c it's "ultima capitulos" lol :p
Permalink posted by : Monday, December 13, 2010 at 10:15:00 PM EST
: Monday, December 13, 2010 at 10:15:00 PM EST
ELENA
re: Milady and Michel tonight, just saw it posted elsewhere that both actors said there was a scene that was cut out between them.
No wonder it seemed so dijointed from their initial scene to when they appear together poolside.
re: Milady and Michel tonight, just saw it posted elsewhere that both actors said there was a scene that was cut out between them.
No wonder it seemed so dijointed from their initial scene to when they appear together poolside.
Permalink posted by : Monday, December 13, 2010 at 10:31:00 PM EST
: Monday, December 13, 2010 at 10:31:00 PM EST
AURORA – Monday Highlights
Emerging Truths and Falling Masks:
Now everyone knows or suspects that Nina caused Aurora’s rehearsal ‘accident’ by cutting the rope on the swing. Nina feels no remorse.
Lorenzo and Martín know that Natalia and Nina were poisoning Aurora’s feelings with their lies.
Blanca and Martín have DNA evidence that they are siblings and now Blanca trusts Aurora once more.
Aurora tells Inés that Gustavo and Natalia were once lovers.
Twists and Turns:
César is so industrious he has two jobs: he is on-call as Blanca’s driver but in the wee hours he is driving Vanesa. Wild.
Aurora chooses Martín. And we (and Inés) wonder if she is being truthful or if she is still trying to get revenge.
When Lorenzo tells Natalia he is leaving her, she swears she will never allow him to be happy.
Aurora, with a little help from Dr. Martín, dances through her pain. Will she be able to complete her performance?
Emerging Truths and Falling Masks:
Now everyone knows or suspects that Nina caused Aurora’s rehearsal ‘accident’ by cutting the rope on the swing. Nina feels no remorse.
Lorenzo and Martín know that Natalia and Nina were poisoning Aurora’s feelings with their lies.
Blanca and Martín have DNA evidence that they are siblings and now Blanca trusts Aurora once more.
Aurora tells Inés that Gustavo and Natalia were once lovers.
Twists and Turns:
César is so industrious he has two jobs: he is on-call as Blanca’s driver but in the wee hours he is driving Vanesa. Wild.
Aurora chooses Martín. And we (and Inés) wonder if she is being truthful or if she is still trying to get revenge.
When Lorenzo tells Natalia he is leaving her, she swears she will never allow him to be happy.
Aurora, with a little help from Dr. Martín, dances through her pain. Will she be able to complete her performance?
ALGUIEN TE MIRA – Monday Highlights
Lola is out on bail, but still in trouble for threatening Luci with a gun. But Pedro Pablo has a plan to catch the Loca. He’s going to record her phone calls to the house and get evidence of her threats.
Tati is fueled by her rage. She accuses the doctors of betraying her. She believes they are capable of covering anything for each other, even to the extent of shielding a murderer. She lets Benja know she will strip him bare – of his children, his profession, his life. She fires Camila and tells her she’ll have to leave the apartment. (It is Tati who has been paying her rent.) From now on, says Tati, Camila doesn’t exist.
Mauricio shows Matilde a photo of the black dress. She remembers seeing it – but where?
Mauricio is convinced that Benja is el Cazador and that Camila is his next victim. But when he and Matilde try to warn her, Camila won’t listen.
Luisa Carvajal, however, continues to suspect Julián is the killer. Her boss feels the other doctors can’t be ruled out yet. The consensus: Question Matilde. She is not a suspect and she knows these people and their secrets.
The model, Valeria, recovers consciousness.
Piedad sends Julián home, telling him it is too soon for them to have a relationship. They both have wounds that have to heal first.
Back in his apartment, Julián takes Daniela’s card out of a box on his bookshelf, calls her and arranges to meet her for coffee, and then burns the card.
Benja is crashing on Rodrigo’s couch. He finds Daniela’s wallet in the cushions.
Rodrigo calls Daniela to tell her he has her wallet. He arranges to stop by the coffee shop where she is meeting Julián (aka Daniel Vidal, Abogado solitario) to return it to her. When Daniela tells Julián that her friend Rodrigo is coming, Julián ducks out and just escapes being seen by Rodrigo. He leaves word with the waiter: he was called away on an emergency.
Lola is out on bail, but still in trouble for threatening Luci with a gun. But Pedro Pablo has a plan to catch the Loca. He’s going to record her phone calls to the house and get evidence of her threats.
Tati is fueled by her rage. She accuses the doctors of betraying her. She believes they are capable of covering anything for each other, even to the extent of shielding a murderer. She lets Benja know she will strip him bare – of his children, his profession, his life. She fires Camila and tells her she’ll have to leave the apartment. (It is Tati who has been paying her rent.) From now on, says Tati, Camila doesn’t exist.
Mauricio shows Matilde a photo of the black dress. She remembers seeing it – but where?
Mauricio is convinced that Benja is el Cazador and that Camila is his next victim. But when he and Matilde try to warn her, Camila won’t listen.
Luisa Carvajal, however, continues to suspect Julián is the killer. Her boss feels the other doctors can’t be ruled out yet. The consensus: Question Matilde. She is not a suspect and she knows these people and their secrets.
The model, Valeria, recovers consciousness.
Piedad sends Julián home, telling him it is too soon for them to have a relationship. They both have wounds that have to heal first.
Back in his apartment, Julián takes Daniela’s card out of a box on his bookshelf, calls her and arranges to meet her for coffee, and then burns the card.
Benja is crashing on Rodrigo’s couch. He finds Daniela’s wallet in the cushions.
Rodrigo calls Daniela to tell her he has her wallet. He arranges to stop by the coffee shop where she is meeting Julián (aka Daniel Vidal, Abogado solitario) to return it to her. When Daniela tells Julián that her friend Rodrigo is coming, Julián ducks out and just escapes being seen by Rodrigo. He leaves word with the waiter: he was called away on an emergency.
ALGUIEN:
Thank you NovelaMaven for that update for Alguien last night. This is the 2nd time Rod has stopped Daniela from becoming Julian's next victim, without either of them realizing it. Keep it up Rod! I really wanted him to at least catch a glimps of Julian though.
I thought the conversation between Tati and Camila was interesting and revealing. Camila complaining about how hard Tati has always been on her. Tati coming right back with how she had to be since she is only 2 years older than Camila, but had to take repsonsibility for caring and providing for them both when their parents died. She was only a girl herself, but she had to become an adult really fast. The way she shows her love is by providing for the people she loves, not by telling them how much she loves them every day. I think that finally struck a cord with Camila, but it's too late now. Tati no longer considers her family.
Thank you NovelaMaven for that update for Alguien last night. This is the 2nd time Rod has stopped Daniela from becoming Julian's next victim, without either of them realizing it. Keep it up Rod! I really wanted him to at least catch a glimps of Julian though.
I thought the conversation between Tati and Camila was interesting and revealing. Camila complaining about how hard Tati has always been on her. Tati coming right back with how she had to be since she is only 2 years older than Camila, but had to take repsonsibility for caring and providing for them both when their parents died. She was only a girl herself, but she had to become an adult really fast. The way she shows her love is by providing for the people she loves, not by telling them how much she loves them every day. I think that finally struck a cord with Camila, but it's too late now. Tati no longer considers her family.
AURORA
NovelaMaven. Thanks so much for the mini-recap. They do help. Were I to list my language and plot problems for help, I'm sure people would try. Problem is, I get so confused, only a full-fledged recap version will help!
I'm about to give up on Aurora. Her dabblings with Martin always bothered me, and her "choice" of him, be that what it is, is appauling. She may have a 20-year-old body, but she's a 40-year-old woman. Martin is a kid. And besides, Lorenzo is so . . . . Well, how can anyone chose M over L? Oh yes, A. Just can't believe that, Lois
NovelaMaven. Thanks so much for the mini-recap. They do help. Were I to list my language and plot problems for help, I'm sure people would try. Problem is, I get so confused, only a full-fledged recap version will help!
I'm about to give up on Aurora. Her dabblings with Martin always bothered me, and her "choice" of him, be that what it is, is appauling. She may have a 20-year-old body, but she's a 40-year-old woman. Martin is a kid. And besides, Lorenzo is so . . . . Well, how can anyone chose M over L? Oh yes, A. Just can't believe that, Lois
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 10:58:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 10:58:00 AM EST
AURORA
Lois: ay ya yay! yes, in my book, Lorenzo (Pila) would be the better choice any day. how anyone can think of Eugenio Siller as a galan (mi pecado) is confounding. he does not have the stature for it, and I really think he's gay - not suitable for a heterosexual role.
Lois: ay ya yay! yes, in my book, Lorenzo (Pila) would be the better choice any day. how anyone can think of Eugenio Siller as a galan (mi pecado) is confounding. he does not have the stature for it, and I really think he's gay - not suitable for a heterosexual role.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN -MONDAY
Thanks for the brief recap, NovelaMaven. Those are great and give us a jumping off point.
What's up with Carvajal? A couple of days ago she was convinced Benja was El Cazador. Without any explanation that I can remember, she's now thinking it's Julián.
I can't STAND Tatiana. If she weren't so self-absorbed she might have picked up on her husband being a dog. But the fact remains that even dogs can be good fathers to their children. And her revenge means more to her than her children having their father in their life. And I believe Camilla was right when she said that Tati provided material things, but made her pay for them with a superior attitude and constant criticism.
I hope Rodrigo's rescue of Daniela from the clutches of Julián means she's safe for the rest of the novela. And Piedad is starting to push him away a bit, so maybe we'll have less sickening make-out sessions with a serial killer.
Still not liking Lola much. She can't get it through her thick skull that she's playing right into Luci's hands. And it's always all about her, having a hissy fit when her children are playing with Benja's. They needed the distraction. Any chance Julián will choose HER? (Mean, I know!)
What do the rest of you think? Is Luci really pregnant, or fantasizing the whole thing? I'm thinking fantasy.
Thanks for the brief recap, NovelaMaven. Those are great and give us a jumping off point.
What's up with Carvajal? A couple of days ago she was convinced Benja was El Cazador. Without any explanation that I can remember, she's now thinking it's Julián.
I can't STAND Tatiana. If she weren't so self-absorbed she might have picked up on her husband being a dog. But the fact remains that even dogs can be good fathers to their children. And her revenge means more to her than her children having their father in their life. And I believe Camilla was right when she said that Tati provided material things, but made her pay for them with a superior attitude and constant criticism.
I hope Rodrigo's rescue of Daniela from the clutches of Julián means she's safe for the rest of the novela. And Piedad is starting to push him away a bit, so maybe we'll have less sickening make-out sessions with a serial killer.
Still not liking Lola much. She can't get it through her thick skull that she's playing right into Luci's hands. And it's always all about her, having a hissy fit when her children are playing with Benja's. They needed the distraction. Any chance Julián will choose HER? (Mean, I know!)
What do the rest of you think? Is Luci really pregnant, or fantasizing the whole thing? I'm thinking fantasy.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 1:49:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 1:49:00 PM EST
ELENA
CanuckFan: dang shame about deleted M/M scenes. he is so FINE!
CanuckFan: dang shame about deleted M/M scenes. he is so FINE!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 2:19:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 2:19:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN
Novelera- I'm hoping that Tati comes to her senses very quickly about keeping Benja from the kids and that she's just saying these things in the heat of the moment. I think/hope she will. I was worried when she went to Camila's, but her revenge there wasn't so bad.
I guess I understand her because I had a similar argument with a cousin of mine who was mad at my dad. He's kind of a gruff guy, doesn't mince words, never talks about his feelings or says I love you. But if any of us needs him, he's there, and he's been there for her a thousand times. I told her the same thing Tati told Camila. Suck it up and deal. Why does everyone have to tell you they love you, especially when they show it to you? Yes, Tati is judgemental and can be a bitch, but Camila is an irresponsible cualquiera. Tati still would not have betrayed her in such a way. Famliy is family. And when a person has also provided for you almost their whole and your whole life, then I think you can be more forgiving of a few of their faults.
Novelera- I'm hoping that Tati comes to her senses very quickly about keeping Benja from the kids and that she's just saying these things in the heat of the moment. I think/hope she will. I was worried when she went to Camila's, but her revenge there wasn't so bad.
I guess I understand her because I had a similar argument with a cousin of mine who was mad at my dad. He's kind of a gruff guy, doesn't mince words, never talks about his feelings or says I love you. But if any of us needs him, he's there, and he's been there for her a thousand times. I told her the same thing Tati told Camila. Suck it up and deal. Why does everyone have to tell you they love you, especially when they show it to you? Yes, Tati is judgemental and can be a bitch, but Camila is an irresponsible cualquiera. Tati still would not have betrayed her in such a way. Famliy is family. And when a person has also provided for you almost their whole and your whole life, then I think you can be more forgiving of a few of their faults.
AURORA
She's only 40 in the chronological sense; she's missed 20 years of life experience. Aurora is still only 20 years old from an emotional perspective. Martin is the image of Lorenzo 20 years ago and -- por supuesto -- Lorenzo isn't even the same person as he was then.
BTW I reiterate my disappointment that JLP and ES are miscast as father and son; they don't remotely resemble each other.
And does anyone else fail to see how Vanessa could be thought of as beautiful? In the words of Batista on Dexter "She's a buttaface."
She's only 40 in the chronological sense; she's missed 20 years of life experience. Aurora is still only 20 years old from an emotional perspective. Martin is the image of Lorenzo 20 years ago and -- por supuesto -- Lorenzo isn't even the same person as he was then.
BTW I reiterate my disappointment that JLP and ES are miscast as father and son; they don't remotely resemble each other.
And does anyone else fail to see how Vanessa could be thought of as beautiful? In the words of Batista on Dexter "She's a buttaface."
ELENA:
As for what Milady and Michel said, she was upset that he disappeared without saying goodbye, and didn't tell where he was. But he said he thought of her every minute, and this got through to her. I would have liked to see a kiss, too.
It's so funny that nobody could recognize La Gemela. Montecristo had no trouble recognizing her in the swamp where he picked her up. And it was maddening that no one was watching that baby. I think Andrea just flunked her first madrina test. BTW, isn't Laura a much closer friend? I would have thought SHE'd be the madrina.
As for what Milady and Michel said, she was upset that he disappeared without saying goodbye, and didn't tell where he was. But he said he thought of her every minute, and this got through to her. I would have liked to see a kiss, too.
It's so funny that nobody could recognize La Gemela. Montecristo had no trouble recognizing her in the swamp where he picked her up. And it was maddening that no one was watching that baby. I think Andrea just flunked her first madrina test. BTW, isn't Laura a much closer friend? I would have thought SHE'd be the madrina.
ELENA
I'm hanging in till the end on general principles, but I'm not believing a single thing happening in this series and it's not the actors' fault.
Elena and Eduardo should not have let that baby out of their sight.
Elena/Daniela should not be able to get away with this disguise.
And who the hell names her daughter "Milady"?
Gotta say though that Ana Layevska seems to be enjoying herself as a villana. Think she will go permanently to the dark side?
I'm hanging in till the end on general principles, but I'm not believing a single thing happening in this series and it's not the actors' fault.
Elena and Eduardo should not have let that baby out of their sight.
Elena/Daniela should not be able to get away with this disguise.
And who the hell names her daughter "Milady"?
Gotta say though that Ana Layevska seems to be enjoying herself as a villana. Think she will go permanently to the dark side?
ELENA
Thanks Hombre! After rewatching that scene a few times, I was able to pick up the main gist better. Still grrrr-ed that the extra scene got chopped.
"And who the hell names her daughter "Milady"?"
haha...a Shakespeare fan? Or maybe it was Jesusa/Samuel's way of making their daughter more "noble" (that is, if they actually named her...)
I giggle/laugh every time I hear her name being said...it's an on going joke in my family...my sister (who has no interest in novelas) and I banter back and forth calling each other Mi-something, Mi-this, Mi-that.
Thanks Hombre! After rewatching that scene a few times, I was able to pick up the main gist better. Still grrrr-ed that the extra scene got chopped.
"And who the hell names her daughter "Milady"?"
haha...a Shakespeare fan? Or maybe it was Jesusa/Samuel's way of making their daughter more "noble" (that is, if they actually named her...)
I giggle/laugh every time I hear her name being said...it's an on going joke in my family...my sister (who has no interest in novelas) and I banter back and forth calling each other Mi-something, Mi-this, Mi-that.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 7:32:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 7:32:00 PM EST
RE; ALGUIEN
a FEW THOUGHTS: I thought it was interesting that Julian begged Piedad to stay with him, saying she was the only woman who could save him. After she rejected their relationship, he turned to Daniela. I still don't think that he will succeed in killing Daniela. I said from the beginning that it's going to be Valeria next --mainly because we have come to like Daniela, but have no positive feelings about Valeria. I think her friendship with Rod will protect Daniela.
I agree with Vivi about Tatiana. Although she is currently motivated by anger and revenge, in the end she will let Benja have a relationship with their children. I don't think she will ever forgive Camila or Benja, and I dont blame her. I think this actress is doing a great job showing the vulnerability, shock, rage, and desire for revenge that most women would feel in this situation. Benja is such a passive wimp, and instead of dealing with the situation is calling Camila, as though having sex with her will make things better. Camile has admitted she loves Benja, but I wonder whether he loves her. Even if they wind up together, I think Tati is right that Camila will lose him to the next zorra that comes in his path. For me, he is the most unlikeable person next to Julian.
Although Matilde can't remember the dress, I think at some point she will remember the photo or find it.
Thanks for the recaps. It's fun to share this novela...
a FEW THOUGHTS: I thought it was interesting that Julian begged Piedad to stay with him, saying she was the only woman who could save him. After she rejected their relationship, he turned to Daniela. I still don't think that he will succeed in killing Daniela. I said from the beginning that it's going to be Valeria next --mainly because we have come to like Daniela, but have no positive feelings about Valeria. I think her friendship with Rod will protect Daniela.
I agree with Vivi about Tatiana. Although she is currently motivated by anger and revenge, in the end she will let Benja have a relationship with their children. I don't think she will ever forgive Camila or Benja, and I dont blame her. I think this actress is doing a great job showing the vulnerability, shock, rage, and desire for revenge that most women would feel in this situation. Benja is such a passive wimp, and instead of dealing with the situation is calling Camila, as though having sex with her will make things better. Camile has admitted she loves Benja, but I wonder whether he loves her. Even if they wind up together, I think Tati is right that Camila will lose him to the next zorra that comes in his path. For me, he is the most unlikeable person next to Julian.
Although Matilde can't remember the dress, I think at some point she will remember the photo or find it.
Thanks for the recaps. It's fun to share this novela...
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 9:51:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 9:51:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN:
Saludos a todos I’ve been hooked on ATM since day one, but just recently peeked in to Caray to see if there was a recap for it. (and there is!)
I love the work and comments so far. Re: Piedad’s stepping back from Julián—I really didn’t think she’d jump right into a thing with him (or that she was using her pregnancy as an excuse to avoid intimacy) because she so obviously still loves Rod. I’m sure she’s dragging her feet, hoping there’s a chance she and Rod will reconcile.
Mauricio is so great; a little like a slightly uncalibrated radar, but a pretty good guy. I sense that he’ll be on track very soon. Too bad that Julián slipped right out of being seen by Rod. But he knew it would’ve complicated his plans and that Rod would tell Piedad…
I’m not disgusted by the makeout scenes. Just awed by the realistic chemistry between Piedad/Juli (especially Piedad/Rodrigo), and weirded out by Juli’s sexy dangerousness.
Still watching Tati & Cami with eyes wide open. Daniela has turned out to be likeable—let’s hope she’s safe. And I think Luci is so faking!
Saludos a todos I’ve been hooked on ATM since day one, but just recently peeked in to Caray to see if there was a recap for it. (and there is!)
I love the work and comments so far. Re: Piedad’s stepping back from Julián—I really didn’t think she’d jump right into a thing with him (or that she was using her pregnancy as an excuse to avoid intimacy) because she so obviously still loves Rod. I’m sure she’s dragging her feet, hoping there’s a chance she and Rod will reconcile.
Mauricio is so great; a little like a slightly uncalibrated radar, but a pretty good guy. I sense that he’ll be on track very soon. Too bad that Julián slipped right out of being seen by Rod. But he knew it would’ve complicated his plans and that Rod would tell Piedad…
I’m not disgusted by the makeout scenes. Just awed by the realistic chemistry between Piedad/Juli (especially Piedad/Rodrigo), and weirded out by Juli’s sexy dangerousness.
Still watching Tati & Cami with eyes wide open. Daniela has turned out to be likeable—let’s hope she’s safe. And I think Luci is so faking!
AURORA – Tuesday Highlights
To the delight of her friends and the chagrin of her rivals, Martín joins Aurora in the last act of the show. He makes a surprise appearance as the Prince who awakens La Bella Durmiente with a kiss. Meanwhile, César and Vanesa are having an icky quickie in the bathroom that is almost interruptus by a sniveling Natalia.
Tonight Aurora gets religion: she wakes up from a disturbing dream about being enclosed and frozen in a cryocapsule. She opens her eyes to a small statue of the Virgen de Guadaloupe at her bedside. It is Guadaloupe’s birthday, she realizes. (This is a clear sign that the wicked Aurora is on the way out.)
Blanca is hurt when Lorenzo refuses to accept the DNA evidence that Martín is her brother and he is her father.
The world is waiting for the Ice Princess to be thawed. Dr. Williams proposes that the frozen Mariana Rosamonte be used as an Aurora double. But thawing this girl is the same as killing her because her illness remains incurable. That’s not a problem for Williams – some lives have to sacrificed at the altar of Gustavo Ponce de León’s genius.
Blanca invites Martín to live with her and Aurora so brother and sister can get to know one another.
The relationship between Aurora and Martín is still not well defined But while they are trying to figure it out, Dra Liliana meets them in the grocery store and greets Martín with an affectionate kiss on the lips. This is more upsetting to Aurora than she thought it would be.
When Aurora and Martín get back to the apartment, Lorenzo is waiting. He wants to talk to Blanca…
To the delight of her friends and the chagrin of her rivals, Martín joins Aurora in the last act of the show. He makes a surprise appearance as the Prince who awakens La Bella Durmiente with a kiss. Meanwhile, César and Vanesa are having an icky quickie in the bathroom that is almost interruptus by a sniveling Natalia.
Tonight Aurora gets religion: she wakes up from a disturbing dream about being enclosed and frozen in a cryocapsule. She opens her eyes to a small statue of the Virgen de Guadaloupe at her bedside. It is Guadaloupe’s birthday, she realizes. (This is a clear sign that the wicked Aurora is on the way out.)
Blanca is hurt when Lorenzo refuses to accept the DNA evidence that Martín is her brother and he is her father.
The world is waiting for the Ice Princess to be thawed. Dr. Williams proposes that the frozen Mariana Rosamonte be used as an Aurora double. But thawing this girl is the same as killing her because her illness remains incurable. That’s not a problem for Williams – some lives have to sacrificed at the altar of Gustavo Ponce de León’s genius.
Blanca invites Martín to live with her and Aurora so brother and sister can get to know one another.
The relationship between Aurora and Martín is still not well defined But while they are trying to figure it out, Dra Liliana meets them in the grocery store and greets Martín with an affectionate kiss on the lips. This is more upsetting to Aurora than she thought it would be.
When Aurora and Martín get back to the apartment, Lorenzo is waiting. He wants to talk to Blanca…
ALGUIEN TE MIRA – Tuesday Highlights
Benja says a tearful goodbye to his kids. His only refuge right now is Rodrigo’s couch where he is joined by the other outcast, Camila. She’s still wearing her little earlobe bandaids.
Piedad decides she is going to give Julián a chance. We see her bury her face in his manly chest while he looks out over her head with crazy eyes. (Noooooooooo! This is like watching every ingenue in every horror film ever made!)
Piedad realizes that Julián has never talked about his mother. She wasn’t exactly normal, he tells her. She was lacking in the maternal instinct department.
Rodrigo and Daniela stop by the hospital to see Valeria. She’s depressed and unresponsive but Rodrigo manages to break through her despondency and make contact with her. Daniela is impressed.
Tati lashes out at Lola and kicks her out of her house. Anyone who knew about Benja and Camila and didn’t tell her is her enemy. Later Julián comes by and she gives him the same treatment. But he gets all smarmy. Will he win her over?
Julián calls Daniela again. She’d be glad to have dinner with him, she tells him. He’ll call her, he says. Then he has a little chat with Eva’s ghost.
Rodrigo reaches out to Piedad. She rejects him and accuses him of being manipulative.
Lola’s housekeeper can get a guy they call ‘el buitre’ (the vulture) to give Luci a good scare. $5000. Cheap at twice the price.
Amador has some new evidence: information from the family of the first victim.
In the final scene, the police show up at the clinic to question Piedad. They also have a court order to search the files of the clinic patients.
Benja says a tearful goodbye to his kids. His only refuge right now is Rodrigo’s couch where he is joined by the other outcast, Camila. She’s still wearing her little earlobe bandaids.
Piedad decides she is going to give Julián a chance. We see her bury her face in his manly chest while he looks out over her head with crazy eyes. (Noooooooooo! This is like watching every ingenue in every horror film ever made!)
Piedad realizes that Julián has never talked about his mother. She wasn’t exactly normal, he tells her. She was lacking in the maternal instinct department.
Rodrigo and Daniela stop by the hospital to see Valeria. She’s depressed and unresponsive but Rodrigo manages to break through her despondency and make contact with her. Daniela is impressed.
Tati lashes out at Lola and kicks her out of her house. Anyone who knew about Benja and Camila and didn’t tell her is her enemy. Later Julián comes by and she gives him the same treatment. But he gets all smarmy. Will he win her over?
Julián calls Daniela again. She’d be glad to have dinner with him, she tells him. He’ll call her, he says. Then he has a little chat with Eva’s ghost.
Rodrigo reaches out to Piedad. She rejects him and accuses him of being manipulative.
Lola’s housekeeper can get a guy they call ‘el buitre’ (the vulture) to give Luci a good scare. $5000. Cheap at twice the price.
Amador has some new evidence: information from the family of the first victim.
In the final scene, the police show up at the clinic to question Piedad. They also have a court order to search the files of the clinic patients.
AURORA - Tuesday
Since she's been around, attending school, screwing around with revenge, performing in public, how is anyone going to fix this situation? Since Gustavo owns the clinic why doesn't he just own up to having thawed her out already? There's enough drama to ensue from that.
Dr Williams has got to go. Elizabeth, where is the vial? Get that woman a Borgia ring; she's earned it.
Cesar is playing with a blow torch so he's gonna get burned worse than in the fire he was in.
"Icky quickie" -- brilliant!
Since she's been around, attending school, screwing around with revenge, performing in public, how is anyone going to fix this situation? Since Gustavo owns the clinic why doesn't he just own up to having thawed her out already? There's enough drama to ensue from that.
Dr Williams has got to go. Elizabeth, where is the vial? Get that woman a Borgia ring; she's earned it.
Cesar is playing with a blow torch so he's gonna get burned worse than in the fire he was in.
"Icky quickie" -- brilliant!
ELENA:
Could someone please help clarify the scene between M&M at Michel's favourite watering hole??
They're talking about how they can't really be happy/celebrate being together with Tomasito being baby-napped (*shakes fist at the baby-napping for preventing M&M happiness, haha).
But then Milady goes off saying some more stuff that I'm not 100% sure...something about no matter what, she has to return to the mansion??
And then Michel says he'll be with her through the good and bad, and won't leave her now???
que linda!
And...of course, Clara is still Clara...she's like a broken record now when it comes to her views of her son and daughter being together (tehee)
Thought it was hilarious watching Ana receive/walk the bomb back to the SUV...the slo-mo definitely helped!
blusamurai, where are thou?
Could someone please help clarify the scene between M&M at Michel's favourite watering hole??
They're talking about how they can't really be happy/celebrate being together with Tomasito being baby-napped (*shakes fist at the baby-napping for preventing M&M happiness, haha).
But then Milady goes off saying some more stuff that I'm not 100% sure...something about no matter what, she has to return to the mansion??
And then Michel says he'll be with her through the good and bad, and won't leave her now???
que linda!
And...of course, Clara is still Clara...she's like a broken record now when it comes to her views of her son and daughter being together (tehee)
Thought it was hilarious watching Ana receive/walk the bomb back to the SUV...the slo-mo definitely helped!
blusamurai, where are thou?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 9:03:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 9:03:00 AM EST
ALGUIEN
Looks like helping Val is really doing Rod some good and helping him on his own road to sobriety. I so wish Piedad would give him another chance (but I do understand considering how many times he blew his second, third, and fourth chances with her). But that's no reason to jump into Julian's creepy arms!
El Fantasma de Eva is creepy and super sexy. I noticed how they had her play with her hair the way Julian does when he goes into killer mode.
Tati has really gone over the edge now. I wonder if they will have her become an addict to those “calmantes” she’s been taking? If so, then she may finally become sympathetic to Rodrigo and he may be the one to help her. It would be an interesting twist. I could not believe that Camila came whining to Benja about Tati cutting her off and needing money for rent, etc. And he wrote her a check! All I kept thinking is, get a job like everyone else!
Lola has also gone over the edge, and I’m less sympathetic with her. Pedro Pablo told her the plan. Tape Luci’s calls and collect evidence. What does she do? Orders an “almost” hit on her! And they used the house phone to make the call! Easily traced. And if PP is already taping calls, could get them in huge trouble.
Looks like helping Val is really doing Rod some good and helping him on his own road to sobriety. I so wish Piedad would give him another chance (but I do understand considering how many times he blew his second, third, and fourth chances with her). But that's no reason to jump into Julian's creepy arms!
El Fantasma de Eva is creepy and super sexy. I noticed how they had her play with her hair the way Julian does when he goes into killer mode.
Tati has really gone over the edge now. I wonder if they will have her become an addict to those “calmantes” she’s been taking? If so, then she may finally become sympathetic to Rodrigo and he may be the one to help her. It would be an interesting twist. I could not believe that Camila came whining to Benja about Tati cutting her off and needing money for rent, etc. And he wrote her a check! All I kept thinking is, get a job like everyone else!
Lola has also gone over the edge, and I’m less sympathetic with her. Pedro Pablo told her the plan. Tape Luci’s calls and collect evidence. What does she do? Orders an “almost” hit on her! And they used the house phone to make the call! Easily traced. And if PP is already taping calls, could get them in huge trouble.
ALGUIEN:
Lola and Pedro Pablo's housekeeper's name is Yoyita! What a silly name. I loved the way she furtively called that relative or whomever is going to scare Lucy. Which won't work, of course.
Piedad isn't totally pulling away from Julian. Didn't she tell Veronica (I think that's the receptionist's name) that she accepted Julian's advances, and was going to try to build something with him? And then she meanly rebuffed Rodrigo's call. She really is digging her own grave (so to speak).
I understand Tatiana, but after kicking out just about everyone in her life, she then weeped on Matilde's shoulder, saying "I'm so alone." I guess SO.
Lola and Pedro Pablo's housekeeper's name is Yoyita! What a silly name. I loved the way she furtively called that relative or whomever is going to scare Lucy. Which won't work, of course.
Piedad isn't totally pulling away from Julian. Didn't she tell Veronica (I think that's the receptionist's name) that she accepted Julian's advances, and was going to try to build something with him? And then she meanly rebuffed Rodrigo's call. She really is digging her own grave (so to speak).
I understand Tatiana, but after kicking out just about everyone in her life, she then weeped on Matilde's shoulder, saying "I'm so alone." I guess SO.
ELENA:
As for Milady, I think she was just saying that she and Michel can't think of themselves right now, with all the threats, so in the meantime, she'll go back to the mansion and her job until everything is resolved, and then she can go with Michel. He's going to the mansion, too, to keep her company and support her, and the family during this big threat.
It was also interesting that Mauricio asked Jesusa to come to his house (with Milady), I guess Jesusa would work there. But she preferred to stay with the family she's always known, adding, though, that Milady can decide to go if she chooses, since she's an adult.
That was funny that Gemela sent that clown girl to deliver her message. I almost thought it was another Gemela disguise. So they've asked for all charges to be dropped, and the hacienda given to them, in return for Tomasito. Hmmm.
I noticed that the bomb guy gave Gemela a code or something to arm the bomb, or maybe to disarm it? Anyone else get that part?
As for Milady, I think she was just saying that she and Michel can't think of themselves right now, with all the threats, so in the meantime, she'll go back to the mansion and her job until everything is resolved, and then she can go with Michel. He's going to the mansion, too, to keep her company and support her, and the family during this big threat.
It was also interesting that Mauricio asked Jesusa to come to his house (with Milady), I guess Jesusa would work there. But she preferred to stay with the family she's always known, adding, though, that Milady can decide to go if she chooses, since she's an adult.
That was funny that Gemela sent that clown girl to deliver her message. I almost thought it was another Gemela disguise. So they've asked for all charges to be dropped, and the hacienda given to them, in return for Tomasito. Hmmm.
I noticed that the bomb guy gave Gemela a code or something to arm the bomb, or maybe to disarm it? Anyone else get that part?
GENERAL
Erin -- Nice to see you back! We're still trying to figure out the best way to set this up. (See the explanation above and Novelera's first comment.)
Our aim here (mine and Jean's, that is) is to provide a weekly space for folks to chat about their Telemundo favorites.
We're not really recapping, per se. But if you guys find short "highlights" postings are a useful jumping-off point to conversations, I hope you'll chime in and post your own "highlights" of episodes you want to talk about. I envision "El Mundo de Telemundo" as the frame, not the picture.
Erin -- Nice to see you back! We're still trying to figure out the best way to set this up. (See the explanation above and Novelera's first comment.)
Our aim here (mine and Jean's, that is) is to provide a weekly space for folks to chat about their Telemundo favorites.
We're not really recapping, per se. But if you guys find short "highlights" postings are a useful jumping-off point to conversations, I hope you'll chime in and post your own "highlights" of episodes you want to talk about. I envision "El Mundo de Telemundo" as the frame, not the picture.
ALGUIEN - TUESDAY EPISODE
One thing I meant to say before: High-strung Lola fired Yoyita because she blamed her for letting Luci into the house the time she brought the Barbies. I never saw her un-fire her, but all seems well.
I suppose it's too early for Mathilde to remember seeing the dress in some drawer of Julián's, but it sure would cut to the chase!
NJ Sue, I don't think Valeria will be the next victim. She doesn't have children, and all the victims (I think) have had children.
Vivi, I'm glad to see your stance on Lola is more like mine now. She just drives me crazy the way she does one ridiculous thing after another and PP has to bail her out. She's such a supposedly great mother; can't she think through the trauma to her children if she ends up in the slammer?
Back to Julián, I'm thinking he won't kill anyone else. Just a hunch. But they keep teasing us with his almost grabbing Daniela, while Daniela gets more and more likeable. I think they'll just keep the suspense going until something trips him up, probably the dress.
One thing I meant to say before: High-strung Lola fired Yoyita because she blamed her for letting Luci into the house the time she brought the Barbies. I never saw her un-fire her, but all seems well.
I suppose it's too early for Mathilde to remember seeing the dress in some drawer of Julián's, but it sure would cut to the chase!
NJ Sue, I don't think Valeria will be the next victim. She doesn't have children, and all the victims (I think) have had children.
Vivi, I'm glad to see your stance on Lola is more like mine now. She just drives me crazy the way she does one ridiculous thing after another and PP has to bail her out. She's such a supposedly great mother; can't she think through the trauma to her children if she ends up in the slammer?
Back to Julián, I'm thinking he won't kill anyone else. Just a hunch. But they keep teasing us with his almost grabbing Daniela, while Daniela gets more and more likeable. I think they'll just keep the suspense going until something trips him up, probably the dress.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 1:59:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 1:59:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN -- Tuesday
I don't know, Novelera, I think you're a little more optimistic about it than I am. If the writers were willing to kill off Eva -- Eva! -- they're capable of anything.
And personally, I think el Buitre and La Loca are a match made in ... well, not heaven, exactly. But I feel for Lola and I get it that as she becomes more frustrated, she acts more and more irrationally. Likable? Not exactly. But 'likable' is in short supply in this novela.
I don't know, Novelera, I think you're a little more optimistic about it than I am. If the writers were willing to kill off Eva -- Eva! -- they're capable of anything.
And personally, I think el Buitre and La Loca are a match made in ... well, not heaven, exactly. But I feel for Lola and I get it that as she becomes more frustrated, she acts more and more irrationally. Likable? Not exactly. But 'likable' is in short supply in this novela.
ALGUIEN
Wait, which one is La Loca NovelaMaven? There are quite a few of them here- Lola, Tati, Lucy. And who is el Buitre? Cause, a lot of our guys fit the bill.
Novelera- I've always found Lola annoying, but I like that Pedro Pablo still loves his wife regardless (because he obviously knew who he was marrying). Different than Benja who wants to act like Tati's high strung personality is the one and only reason why he cheats on her. Also, I think PP brings out the best in Lola and makes her a better/calmer person.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that they don't kill Daniela, but like NovelaMaven pointed out, if they killed Eva, all bets are off.
Wait, which one is La Loca NovelaMaven? There are quite a few of them here- Lola, Tati, Lucy. And who is el Buitre? Cause, a lot of our guys fit the bill.
Novelera- I've always found Lola annoying, but I like that Pedro Pablo still loves his wife regardless (because he obviously knew who he was marrying). Different than Benja who wants to act like Tati's high strung personality is the one and only reason why he cheats on her. Also, I think PP brings out the best in Lola and makes her a better/calmer person.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that they don't kill Daniela, but like NovelaMaven pointed out, if they killed Eva, all bets are off.
Vivi, el Buitre has yet to make an appearance. He's the assassin Yoyita was negotiating with to scare Luci. Yoyita mentioned this several episodes ago, but after Luci called her on the phone, Lola has decided to go ahead with the $5,000 fee to only scare her. Beating her up was $10K and "the final solution"was $25K.
By the way, I watched the special about Jencarlos Canela on Telemundo. It was interesting. His parents seem like lovely people. Anyway, the adored woman in his newest single is none other than Luci La Loca (Cynthia Olavarria). She was Puerto Rico's entry for Miss Universe and apparently got second place.
By the way, I watched the special about Jencarlos Canela on Telemundo. It was interesting. His parents seem like lovely people. Anyway, the adored woman in his newest single is none other than Luci La Loca (Cynthia Olavarria). She was Puerto Rico's entry for Miss Universe and apparently got second place.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 4:30:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 4:30:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN
Thanks Novelera. I had forgotten the assasin's name already. :) Yes, he and Lucy La Loca would be a match made Hades.
Thanks Novelera. I had forgotten the assasin's name already. :) Yes, he and Lucy La Loca would be a match made Hades.
Re ALGUIEN: Now I'm not so sure about Valeria being Julian's next victim. That's the thing I like about this show. From episode to episode, things change and your feelings for the characters do, as well as your impression of what future shows will bring.
I was feeling a lot of empathy for Tati, and last night her over the top crazy behavior changed the way I was feeling. I even thought she may become Julian's victim in the future.
I too couldn't believe that Camila would complain that she now was without a job and apartment, and take Benja's money without even a slight hesitation. It is also hard to believe that she is only 2 years younger than Tati. She seems like an adolescent in comparison. I thought I misheard and that Tati said she was 12 years older --which seems more like it.
I will be sorry to miss the next two weeks of this while Im on vacation. Is there some way to get the back shows?
I was feeling a lot of empathy for Tati, and last night her over the top crazy behavior changed the way I was feeling. I even thought she may become Julian's victim in the future.
I too couldn't believe that Camila would complain that she now was without a job and apartment, and take Benja's money without even a slight hesitation. It is also hard to believe that she is only 2 years younger than Tati. She seems like an adolescent in comparison. I thought I misheard and that Tati said she was 12 years older --which seems more like it.
I will be sorry to miss the next two weeks of this while Im on vacation. Is there some way to get the back shows?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 9:50:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 9:50:00 PM EST
I will be sorry to miss the next two weeks of this while Im on vacation. Is there some way to get the back shows?
NJ Sue: just go to Telemundo.com...they post all the episodes there.
It's the only way I'm watching the shows from Canada!! (and a great way to watch older shows, too)
ELENA:
No M&M tonight. So, I sorta lost interest half way through...thought watching Walter's dream with him and Andrea in the meadow a bit...creepy.
Why was Corinna upset/crying with Rebecca at the beginning of the episode again?
NJ Sue: just go to Telemundo.com...they post all the episodes there.
It's the only way I'm watching the shows from Canada!! (and a great way to watch older shows, too)
ELENA:
No M&M tonight. So, I sorta lost interest half way through...thought watching Walter's dream with him and Andrea in the meadow a bit...creepy.
Why was Corinna upset/crying with Rebecca at the beginning of the episode again?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 11:11:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 11:11:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN- Wed Episode
Just watched the show and am now no longer sympathetic towards Tati. She has taken her vengence to a new level by framing Benja for the murders. That's just plain old evil.
Are they now leading us to a romance between Val and Rod??? There was definitely LOVE music playing as they looked at each other in the hospital, and Rod has also now seen Piedad and Julian kissing and seems to have given up on her. They can't so this! Well, I guess they can. Damn writers. :)
Just watched the show and am now no longer sympathetic towards Tati. She has taken her vengence to a new level by framing Benja for the murders. That's just plain old evil.
Are they now leading us to a romance between Val and Rod??? There was definitely LOVE music playing as they looked at each other in the hospital, and Rod has also now seen Piedad and Julian kissing and seems to have given up on her. They can't so this! Well, I guess they can. Damn writers. :)
ALGUIEN -- Wednesday
Vivi -- So did Tati make up the story of Benja burning a blood-stained shirt? Or did that really happen? Because if she's making it up to frame Benja, that IS evil.
One thing I liked last night: Piedad catching Lucía being nasty to Lola and then reprimanding her. It's the least of Lucía's offenses, but it's the first time anyone other than Pedro Pablo and Lola has caught her with her mask off. And for the record, I don't believe Lucía is pregnant either.
Vivi -- So did Tati make up the story of Benja burning a blood-stained shirt? Or did that really happen? Because if she's making it up to frame Benja, that IS evil.
One thing I liked last night: Piedad catching Lucía being nasty to Lola and then reprimanding her. It's the least of Lucía's offenses, but it's the first time anyone other than Pedro Pablo and Lola has caught her with her mask off. And for the record, I don't believe Lucía is pregnant either.
AURORA -- Wednesday
This faked reanimation is a real clunker. As Urban Anthropologist pointed out, it would have made more sense for Gustavo to simply come clean and admit that he had already brought Aurora back. He would probably be able to weather the consequences of acting without the consent of the ... the what? the ethics committee?
And yet, crazy convoluted plots within plots are the lifeblood of novelas, so why should this one be any different.
Is Vanesa Miller supposed to be a great beauty? I think she's just supposed to be seductive and predatory; and I think the actress captures those qualities very well.
Speaking of the superficial (and that is, after all, what we do here), what's the deal with Gustavo's eyeliner? Does anyone else find it distracting?
This faked reanimation is a real clunker. As Urban Anthropologist pointed out, it would have made more sense for Gustavo to simply come clean and admit that he had already brought Aurora back. He would probably be able to weather the consequences of acting without the consent of the ... the what? the ethics committee?
And yet, crazy convoluted plots within plots are the lifeblood of novelas, so why should this one be any different.
Is Vanesa Miller supposed to be a great beauty? I think she's just supposed to be seductive and predatory; and I think the actress captures those qualities very well.
Speaking of the superficial (and that is, after all, what we do here), what's the deal with Gustavo's eyeliner? Does anyone else find it distracting?
AURORA -- Wednesday
The young female doctor won't last another week; her days are numbered. Gustavo has now crossed the line and will be just as much a murderer as Elizabeth.
How will anyone explain the absence of Aurora Jr when Aurora Sr is revealed? Or will they say that the attempt failed and try to maintain the status quo?
If they revive Eduardo can he expose Elizabeth as his killer?
Cesar is headed for disaster whether he wants to know this or not. I can't wait for him to be caught with Vanessa.
ELENA -- Wednesday
Is this the first time that a villain has specifically threatened the life of an infant? That puts this trio on an express train to hell.
The young female doctor won't last another week; her days are numbered. Gustavo has now crossed the line and will be just as much a murderer as Elizabeth.
How will anyone explain the absence of Aurora Jr when Aurora Sr is revealed? Or will they say that the attempt failed and try to maintain the status quo?
If they revive Eduardo can he expose Elizabeth as his killer?
Cesar is headed for disaster whether he wants to know this or not. I can't wait for him to be caught with Vanessa.
ELENA -- Wednesday
Is this the first time that a villain has specifically threatened the life of an infant? That puts this trio on an express train to hell.
Sorry folks been extremely busy the last several days i just couldn't pop in and do the recaps as usual for EDFE and Alguien.I just caught up with the episodes i've missed these past few days.
NovelaMaven i like your take on Aurora she just may be here to help get Blanca straighten out and Lorenzo enlighten to what really happened at her birthday party years ago.
I don't see Natalia ending up with Lorenzo at the end though she too needy and clingy. While she had a legitimate excuse to do Vanessa's bidding years ago because of her parents work, she doesn't have one now. Besides Lorenzo has already said he has great affection for her but there's a difference between affection and love. Maybe at some point in the novela if Aurora can't be saved at the end we'll get another woman for Lorenzo to end up with.She's willing to cover up the crimes of her children nope this heifer i don't know if she can be redeemed.
Nina is just awful her obsession with Martin and hatred for Aurora that she could have seriously injured or killed Aurora for cutting that rope during her dance routine. We've seen this played out before half siblings who can't co-exist no matter that the good one tries to over look it. See Sortilegio Alex and Bruno. Nina is going to have to do a whole lot to redeem herself.
Aurora herself yeah i agree her revenge plot is silly and she needs to move on.I'm surprised that she is being effected by Martin.Also agree Vivi you said this when Mi Pecado was on that Eugenio Sillier has that "How You Doing" vibe. Wow you weren't lying it's even more prevalent in this novela.
NovelaMaven i like your take on Aurora she just may be here to help get Blanca straighten out and Lorenzo enlighten to what really happened at her birthday party years ago.
I don't see Natalia ending up with Lorenzo at the end though she too needy and clingy. While she had a legitimate excuse to do Vanessa's bidding years ago because of her parents work, she doesn't have one now. Besides Lorenzo has already said he has great affection for her but there's a difference between affection and love. Maybe at some point in the novela if Aurora can't be saved at the end we'll get another woman for Lorenzo to end up with.She's willing to cover up the crimes of her children nope this heifer i don't know if she can be redeemed.
Nina is just awful her obsession with Martin and hatred for Aurora that she could have seriously injured or killed Aurora for cutting that rope during her dance routine. We've seen this played out before half siblings who can't co-exist no matter that the good one tries to over look it. See Sortilegio Alex and Bruno. Nina is going to have to do a whole lot to redeem herself.
Aurora herself yeah i agree her revenge plot is silly and she needs to move on.I'm surprised that she is being effected by Martin.Also agree Vivi you said this when Mi Pecado was on that Eugenio Sillier has that "How You Doing" vibe. Wow you weren't lying it's even more prevalent in this novela.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 10:51:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 10:51:00 AM EST
On EFDE what in the world was Elena thinking making Andrea her son's godmother? Hello how many years have you've known Laura you couldn't at least make them co-godmothers? I agree no one notices the weird ranch hand at the party standing near Tomas carriage with a rifle?
Glad Milady and Michel have reconciled, also glad he's not giving into Clara and her bitter delusions of what's best for his life.I so want Mauricio to learn about how bitter Clara is from her decisions she made in her life.
Glad that Rebecca recruited Chapparro back to protect her and Andrea from Dulce.
On Canuckfan Corrina was crying about Walter telling her that they can't get married because he's in love with another woman. Rebecca urged her last night to work out her problems with Walter her advice was look what she had to deal with concerning Dario. Not sure that's going to work though.
I can't believe that Dulce got her son back.
Anyway Greco doesn't want any part of Montecristo and his antics now he basically told him he went too far with the kidnapping of the children.MC was like are you for real all of the things we have done now you're going to talk about morals?
Greco told MC to get out of his house with Dulce and crazy gemela and if everything blows up in MC's face he's not going down with him.
I still don't get why we're not seeing Greco's face at all though.
Glad Milady and Michel have reconciled, also glad he's not giving into Clara and her bitter delusions of what's best for his life.I so want Mauricio to learn about how bitter Clara is from her decisions she made in her life.
Glad that Rebecca recruited Chapparro back to protect her and Andrea from Dulce.
On Canuckfan Corrina was crying about Walter telling her that they can't get married because he's in love with another woman. Rebecca urged her last night to work out her problems with Walter her advice was look what she had to deal with concerning Dario. Not sure that's going to work though.
I can't believe that Dulce got her son back.
Anyway Greco doesn't want any part of Montecristo and his antics now he basically told him he went too far with the kidnapping of the children.MC was like are you for real all of the things we have done now you're going to talk about morals?
Greco told MC to get out of his house with Dulce and crazy gemela and if everything blows up in MC's face he's not going down with him.
I still don't get why we're not seeing Greco's face at all though.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 11:02:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 11:02:00 AM EST
The plan switched from them blowing up the hacienda to Margot's house.
Gandica was recruited by Martin to get some cops to help capture the three terrors who are wrecking havoc on the Giron's lives.
Andrea is she wanting to enter a convent feeling guilty from her father's death and Tomas being kidnapped because she wasn't watching him properly? She told Walter to go and marry Corrina.
I don't no why Nena and Anacleto decided to go back home with crazy gemela still running loose?
The way i'm guessing the three villains get theirs is Montecristo is going to get done in by Kalima.
Crazy gemela is done in by either Latona or the ghost of Daniela.
Dulce either by Rebecca or Chapparro or she's caught and locked up again and doesn't escapes Butterfly's revenge this time.
Gandica was recruited by Martin to get some cops to help capture the three terrors who are wrecking havoc on the Giron's lives.
Andrea is she wanting to enter a convent feeling guilty from her father's death and Tomas being kidnapped because she wasn't watching him properly? She told Walter to go and marry Corrina.
I don't no why Nena and Anacleto decided to go back home with crazy gemela still running loose?
The way i'm guessing the three villains get theirs is Montecristo is going to get done in by Kalima.
Crazy gemela is done in by either Latona or the ghost of Daniela.
Dulce either by Rebecca or Chapparro or she's caught and locked up again and doesn't escapes Butterfly's revenge this time.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 11:08:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 11:08:00 AM EST
Elena:
Glad to see you back Blusamurai!
On EFDE what in the world was Elena thinking making Andrea her son's godmother?
Maybe she did it to celebrate Andrea kicking her sickness/coming back alive, and knowing what happened with the not-wedding...maybe Elena/Eduardo wanted her to be happy over something? I dunno *shrugs*
I do wonder how many episodes we have left....we're at 102 already, and we know for sure it gets to 110 at least...they haven't announced when the next show will start beyond "muy pronto"...and with the holidays, I'm sure there will be quite a few days that shows will be skipped over for other programming....
Glad to see you back Blusamurai!
On EFDE what in the world was Elena thinking making Andrea her son's godmother?
Maybe she did it to celebrate Andrea kicking her sickness/coming back alive, and knowing what happened with the not-wedding...maybe Elena/Eduardo wanted her to be happy over something? I dunno *shrugs*
I do wonder how many episodes we have left....we're at 102 already, and we know for sure it gets to 110 at least...they haven't announced when the next show will start beyond "muy pronto"...and with the holidays, I'm sure there will be quite a few days that shows will be skipped over for other programming....
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 11:27:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 11:27:00 AM EST
On Alguien first i agree with every9one how Piedad is now turing to Julian for comfort and trying to have a relationship with him eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Even Veronica the clinic's secretary thought she was losing her mind when she was asking what she thinks about her trying to give Julian a chance now.
If you watch how she still reacts around Julian you can see very noticeably how she cringes or flinches a little when they kiss each other it's like she knows instinctually this is wrong.You know you have a friendship with a member from the opposite sex for so long you can't cross that boundary trying to have a intimate relationship after all of those years.That's how i feel when i see Piedad with Julian.
Great points on Valeria i can see her being killed instead of Daniela by mistake also don't forget she is fiercely protective of Daniela don't forget how she reacted when Daniela was telling her about Rodrigo and their almost romance.The awareness has always been there with her towards Rodrigo remember the jogging scene when Her and Daniela were talking about Rodrigo and they were being compared to each other.
I like Daniela too but i do think she's a little desperate trying to have a relationship with some man.
No i don't see Julian stopping the killing either.
If you watch how she still reacts around Julian you can see very noticeably how she cringes or flinches a little when they kiss each other it's like she knows instinctually this is wrong.You know you have a friendship with a member from the opposite sex for so long you can't cross that boundary trying to have a intimate relationship after all of those years.That's how i feel when i see Piedad with Julian.
Great points on Valeria i can see her being killed instead of Daniela by mistake also don't forget she is fiercely protective of Daniela don't forget how she reacted when Daniela was telling her about Rodrigo and their almost romance.The awareness has always been there with her towards Rodrigo remember the jogging scene when Her and Daniela were talking about Rodrigo and they were being compared to each other.
I like Daniela too but i do think she's a little desperate trying to have a relationship with some man.
No i don't see Julian stopping the killing either.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 11:28:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 11:28:00 AM EST
ELENA:
It's so ironic (but typical for a novela) that just when Walter is about to declare his love for Andrea, she decides to join a convent. Can't wait to see her in a nun's habit.
I also liked the scene where the baddies argued over who's going to arm the bomb. Montecristo didn't want to get involved, Dulce claimed she doesn't understand all that technical stuff, so La Gemela sighed, "oh well, me again". I just love her character (and her outfits, and her changing makeup). Corina looked really nice, too. This family has a new wardrobe every day.
It's so ironic (but typical for a novela) that just when Walter is about to declare his love for Andrea, she decides to join a convent. Can't wait to see her in a nun's habit.
I also liked the scene where the baddies argued over who's going to arm the bomb. Montecristo didn't want to get involved, Dulce claimed she doesn't understand all that technical stuff, so La Gemela sighed, "oh well, me again". I just love her character (and her outfits, and her changing makeup). Corina looked really nice, too. This family has a new wardrobe every day.
ALGUIEN:
We have to remember, that since this show is not in ultimas semanas, plenty more has to happen. So I agree that more people will be murdered. I'm currently thinking Valeria (by mistake) and then Tatiana. But who knows? I also have this vision of Julian taking Piedad, Benjamin and Rodrigo all prisoner, and setting up something so that one of them would have to die to save the others, or something crazy like that. Course, I previously predicted that Rodrigo will save Piedad. I guess the only think we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure.
We have to remember, that since this show is not in ultimas semanas, plenty more has to happen. So I agree that more people will be murdered. I'm currently thinking Valeria (by mistake) and then Tatiana. But who knows? I also have this vision of Julian taking Piedad, Benjamin and Rodrigo all prisoner, and setting up something so that one of them would have to die to save the others, or something crazy like that. Course, I previously predicted that Rodrigo will save Piedad. I guess the only think we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure.
Yes Lola can be too much but at least she married a real man who can handle her and is mature enough to overcome her faults and not make excuses on why he's needs to have affairs because of her behavior.
I think that her getting Yoyita to get what's the guy's name El Buitre to scare Loca Lucia away is going to backfire on her somehow but i think maybe that Piedad finally saw the craziness of Lucia herself will help her out in the end. She has witness to Lucia's behavior.
Why does Luisa suspect Julian? Well she did bring him up before to Eva but Eva wasn't thinking objectively when it concerned Julian.Eva always suspected everyone else but strongly disagreed with Luisa when she ever brought up Julian's name as a suspect too.
What might finally get Julian caught i think Mathilde can't remember where she has seen that dress before yet either the photo that Julian has of his mother wearing the same dress or if she saw it where he kept it in his place.
Who might be Julian's next victim? Well we know he's circling Daniela let's not rule out Tatiana now because when he went over to convince her not to divorce Benja and she flat out said no way. I think she may have added herself to his list of potential victims.
I think that her getting Yoyita to get what's the guy's name El Buitre to scare Loca Lucia away is going to backfire on her somehow but i think maybe that Piedad finally saw the craziness of Lucia herself will help her out in the end. She has witness to Lucia's behavior.
Why does Luisa suspect Julian? Well she did bring him up before to Eva but Eva wasn't thinking objectively when it concerned Julian.Eva always suspected everyone else but strongly disagreed with Luisa when she ever brought up Julian's name as a suspect too.
What might finally get Julian caught i think Mathilde can't remember where she has seen that dress before yet either the photo that Julian has of his mother wearing the same dress or if she saw it where he kept it in his place.
Who might be Julian's next victim? Well we know he's circling Daniela let's not rule out Tatiana now because when he went over to convince her not to divorce Benja and she flat out said no way. I think she may have added herself to his list of potential victims.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 1:02:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 1:02:00 PM EST
I see also that the way Piedad is going she is definitely pushing him off the deep edge even more, so he might eventually turn on her.
Someone mention they couldn't see him killing Valeria because that's not his modus operandi but neither was the way he killed Eva. I can see Julian getting more reckless because he is making mistakes now.
He should have waited to kill Eva until after Mauricio was let go, but he didn't. His relationship with Piedad has made him look very suspicious especially for Luisa who is questioning strongly how he could even enter into another relationship so fast after Eva's death.
Mathilde memory will be a key.
Mauricio may become another victim because he's involved with Matilde again but his exposes on the Drs. at the clinic is making a lot of people uncomfortable working there mainly Julian.
Last night's episode Luisa ask a key question on how great a memory Julian has to remember that Piedad never saw another victim of the killer so far back.
One other key is the cars Julian is using we saw how the black suv he had a toy car just like it that freaked out Matilde. I wonder if he has a blue mustang like the one he is using to meet up with Daniela?
Rodrigo doesn't realize yet the slip up made by Julian about the picture of him and Benja where the heart was buried if he talks about it to someone he just might realize that Julian is the killer.
Someone mention they couldn't see him killing Valeria because that's not his modus operandi but neither was the way he killed Eva. I can see Julian getting more reckless because he is making mistakes now.
He should have waited to kill Eva until after Mauricio was let go, but he didn't. His relationship with Piedad has made him look very suspicious especially for Luisa who is questioning strongly how he could even enter into another relationship so fast after Eva's death.
Mathilde memory will be a key.
Mauricio may become another victim because he's involved with Matilde again but his exposes on the Drs. at the clinic is making a lot of people uncomfortable working there mainly Julian.
Last night's episode Luisa ask a key question on how great a memory Julian has to remember that Piedad never saw another victim of the killer so far back.
One other key is the cars Julian is using we saw how the black suv he had a toy car just like it that freaked out Matilde. I wonder if he has a blue mustang like the one he is using to meet up with Daniela?
Rodrigo doesn't realize yet the slip up made by Julian about the picture of him and Benja where the heart was buried if he talks about it to someone he just might realize that Julian is the killer.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST
Tatiana like Vivi said i can understand her meltdown she had a "Waiting To Exhale" moment. I can understand the anger rage and betrayal she feels. Boy did i feel when she tore those earrings out of her own sister's earlobes sort of the same way you guys cringe when you see a guy kicked in the family jewels.
She has a right for feeling like a fool i loved how when all four were gathered at her house she let them all have it for keeping Benja's affair a secret from her.Her little remark that she wouldn't put it past one of them being the killer was spot on maybe another reason why Julian went to her and tried to get her to reconsider her divorce.
All i can say in her defense at least she isn't killing someone from her anger and rage.
Not excusing her actions trying to prevent Benja from seeing his kids or accusing him of being the killer. We all knew she wasn't a pleasant person to begin with.Her problem is she's had to grow up fast because of her parents dying when she was young.Then she married a little boy who couldn't handle her strong overbearing personality.I can't remember if Benja did come home at one time with blood on his shirt i think but i'm not sure he might have.
Yes i'm so tired of Benja and his tantrums and rants, you made your bed now suffer the consequences. As a matter of fact the problems now that the clinic is facing is because of your lies and your immaturity not willing to face your shortcomings as a man.Because he's begged the others to lie for him he's responsible for Eva being murdered and anyone else also because of his irresponsibility.
She has a right for feeling like a fool i loved how when all four were gathered at her house she let them all have it for keeping Benja's affair a secret from her.Her little remark that she wouldn't put it past one of them being the killer was spot on maybe another reason why Julian went to her and tried to get her to reconsider her divorce.
All i can say in her defense at least she isn't killing someone from her anger and rage.
Not excusing her actions trying to prevent Benja from seeing his kids or accusing him of being the killer. We all knew she wasn't a pleasant person to begin with.Her problem is she's had to grow up fast because of her parents dying when she was young.Then she married a little boy who couldn't handle her strong overbearing personality.I can't remember if Benja did come home at one time with blood on his shirt i think but i'm not sure he might have.
Yes i'm so tired of Benja and his tantrums and rants, you made your bed now suffer the consequences. As a matter of fact the problems now that the clinic is facing is because of your lies and your immaturity not willing to face your shortcomings as a man.Because he's begged the others to lie for him he's responsible for Eva being murdered and anyone else also because of his irresponsibility.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 1:28:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 1:28:00 PM EST
I'm comparing Tatina's situation to Viviana's on Donde Esta Elisa? If those who remember DEE on that novela Viviana was married to Jose Angel they had a teenage son Santiago. Viviana had a BFF in Ricardo a gay man her son is anti gay. Her husband is a closeted homosexual who had a relationship with Ricardo a long time ago. Anyway Viviana told all of her confidences to Ricardo especially when she wanted to have another child with Jose Angel who didn't want another child. Ricardo with a hidden agenda told Jose Angel everything Viviana told him and he picked up where he left off with Jose Angel they began to have another affair.Jose Angel did want to break it off at one point but Ricardo didn't eventually they kept it up. Viviana in the meantime got pregnant, but it was her son Santiago who first found out about them two and then he finally told his mother.
Needless to say Viviana is vengeful also her brother Mariano was the owner of the company everyone worked for she got them both fired and made sure they couldn't get work where they lived at. Ricardo eventually had to move away and was never forgiven by Viviana. Jose Angel at least made peace with Viviana by saving their son from being killed by a gang of gay bashers. Plus they still had a child on the way.
Now i ask you both are pretty bad for a woman to deal with her husband cheating on her like that but which one was worst?
If you knew your friend's husband was cheating on her with her sister or her gay friend would you tell her?
Camila so far is getting off and she has a nerve to ask Benja to help her? She also might be killed for her actions.
The actor playing Ernesto on Aurora played Ricardo on DEE.
Needless to say Viviana is vengeful also her brother Mariano was the owner of the company everyone worked for she got them both fired and made sure they couldn't get work where they lived at. Ricardo eventually had to move away and was never forgiven by Viviana. Jose Angel at least made peace with Viviana by saving their son from being killed by a gang of gay bashers. Plus they still had a child on the way.
Now i ask you both are pretty bad for a woman to deal with her husband cheating on her like that but which one was worst?
If you knew your friend's husband was cheating on her with her sister or her gay friend would you tell her?
Camila so far is getting off and she has a nerve to ask Benja to help her? She also might be killed for her actions.
The actor playing Ernesto on Aurora played Ricardo on DEE.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 1:44:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 1:44:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN - WEDNESDAY
Blusamarai, since you've been playing catchup, you probably didn't notice the new way of organizing comments that NovelaMaven suggested. It's very helpful to post the name of the novela and the day of the week at the top of your comment. That way people who are a day behind don't read comments about an episode before they've seen it. And we don't have to read part of every comment to figure out which novela it refers to, since some of us don't watch all of Telemundo's evening offerings.
I thought last night's episode was quite interesting. I also liked Piedad giving Lucía a dressing down. It looks like Natalia is getting a crush on Rodrigo.
I was absolutely sickened that they had Rod entering the room as Julián planted a big kiss on Piedad. But he sure handled it well. He calmly told Piedad that she should have let him know things were going that way and quietly left the room. I think that made more of an impression on Piedad than a jealous outburst. It shows she's risking losing a much more mature Rodrigo. And she got very upset with Julián when he went on his usual rant about Rodrigo being a loser druggie.
I think Rod's saying to Benja that he has nothing to live for is a red herring. I don't think he's going back on drugs again.
Tatiana's behavior was despicable. They didn't show Benja burning any bloody clothes, so I don't think that happened. She's lying, and attempting to get her children's father locked up as a murderer, knowing how much they love him. Just rotten.
Blusamarai, since you've been playing catchup, you probably didn't notice the new way of organizing comments that NovelaMaven suggested. It's very helpful to post the name of the novela and the day of the week at the top of your comment. That way people who are a day behind don't read comments about an episode before they've seen it. And we don't have to read part of every comment to figure out which novela it refers to, since some of us don't watch all of Telemundo's evening offerings.
I thought last night's episode was quite interesting. I also liked Piedad giving Lucía a dressing down. It looks like Natalia is getting a crush on Rodrigo.
I was absolutely sickened that they had Rod entering the room as Julián planted a big kiss on Piedad. But he sure handled it well. He calmly told Piedad that she should have let him know things were going that way and quietly left the room. I think that made more of an impression on Piedad than a jealous outburst. It shows she's risking losing a much more mature Rodrigo. And she got very upset with Julián when he went on his usual rant about Rodrigo being a loser druggie.
I think Rod's saying to Benja that he has nothing to live for is a red herring. I don't think he's going back on drugs again.
Tatiana's behavior was despicable. They didn't show Benja burning any bloody clothes, so I don't think that happened. She's lying, and attempting to get her children's father locked up as a murderer, knowing how much they love him. Just rotten.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 2:31:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 2:31:00 PM EST
AURORA
NovelaMaven: did you see Aylin Mujica (Vanessa character) on Niños Ricos, Pobres Padres? ay! she did not look as good on that novela as she does in this. and I'm not saying she's all that, but her portrayal of Vanessa is spot-on.
NovelaMaven: did you see Aylin Mujica (Vanessa character) on Niños Ricos, Pobres Padres? ay! she did not look as good on that novela as she does in this. and I'm not saying she's all that, but her portrayal of Vanessa is spot-on.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 2:32:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 2:32:00 PM EST
I don't know who Natalia is on Alguien?
In defense of Lola as Vivi pointed out the same personality like Tatiana but she's married with a real man who knows how to deal with her. But she's also pregnant too which makes her more emotionally overwrought. I get the feeling that Loca Lucia is lying about her pregnancy and now she's just trying to stressed out Lola from her crazy antics possibly causing a miscarriage.
In defense of Lola as Vivi pointed out the same personality like Tatiana but she's married with a real man who knows how to deal with her. But she's also pregnant too which makes her more emotionally overwrought. I get the feeling that Loca Lucia is lying about her pregnancy and now she's just trying to stressed out Lola from her crazy antics possibly causing a miscarriage.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 2:48:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 2:48:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN -- Wednesday
Blu, I think Novelera meant to say Valeria, not Natalia
As for future victims -- As much as the writers may toy with us and shift the fortunes and aspects of characters from one episode to the next, I think one thing will be consistent to the end: Julián is killing his mother over and over again. That's why he will only choose victims who fit his image of the 'bad mother'. Camila is arguably a bad person, but since she's not a mother, she's not in Julián's crosshairs. Nor is Valeria, for the same reason.
He has fixed on Daniela. He has devoted time and thought to her. And I think he is too rigid to change his target now.
Piedad, once she gives birth, will also be a suitable victim. And as others have said, Tatiana has now moved herself squarely into the class of 'bad single mothers'. Killing her would give Julián the added pleasure of both hurting Benja and throwing suspicion on him.
Blu, I think Novelera meant to say Valeria, not Natalia
As for future victims -- As much as the writers may toy with us and shift the fortunes and aspects of characters from one episode to the next, I think one thing will be consistent to the end: Julián is killing his mother over and over again. That's why he will only choose victims who fit his image of the 'bad mother'. Camila is arguably a bad person, but since she's not a mother, she's not in Julián's crosshairs. Nor is Valeria, for the same reason.
He has fixed on Daniela. He has devoted time and thought to her. And I think he is too rigid to change his target now.
Piedad, once she gives birth, will also be a suitable victim. And as others have said, Tatiana has now moved herself squarely into the class of 'bad single mothers'. Killing her would give Julián the added pleasure of both hurting Benja and throwing suspicion on him.
AURORA -- Wednesday
Shallowgal, this is the first time I've seen the actress playing Vanesa. I agree. She is doing a great job. She is positively feline without being grotesque like, say Gabriela Spanic on STuD.
Shallowgal, this is the first time I've seen the actress playing Vanesa. I agree. She is doing a great job. She is positively feline without being grotesque like, say Gabriela Spanic on STuD.
ALGUIEN:
"If you knew your friend's husband was cheating on her with her sister or her gay friend would you tell her?"
It all depends who you're closer to. If I (as a man) knew my best friend's wife was cheating on her with his brother, I definitely would tell him. The reasons why no one told Tatiana were 1) all the guys were closer to Benja than to Tati, 2) Lola wasn't totally sure, and then it was also her brother vs. her friend, both of whom she might be a little loyal to, and 3) I don't think Piedad knew, and Matilde also didn't find out until right when Tati herself found out.
I do remember, years ago, a friend of mine was having an affair (not with his wife's sister, tho), and although I did know his wife, I didn't say anything. But a co-worker of ours, who didn't even know the wife, was so outraged morally, that he DID call the wife. Believe it or not, she forgave her husband (apparently this was the only time), and they're still together 20 years later.
"If you knew your friend's husband was cheating on her with her sister or her gay friend would you tell her?"
It all depends who you're closer to. If I (as a man) knew my best friend's wife was cheating on her with his brother, I definitely would tell him. The reasons why no one told Tatiana were 1) all the guys were closer to Benja than to Tati, 2) Lola wasn't totally sure, and then it was also her brother vs. her friend, both of whom she might be a little loyal to, and 3) I don't think Piedad knew, and Matilde also didn't find out until right when Tati herself found out.
I do remember, years ago, a friend of mine was having an affair (not with his wife's sister, tho), and although I did know his wife, I didn't say anything. But a co-worker of ours, who didn't even know the wife, was so outraged morally, that he DID call the wife. Believe it or not, she forgave her husband (apparently this was the only time), and they're still together 20 years later.
I remember Aylin Mujica who plays Vanessa in Aurora from the novela Marina the two leads of El Clon started in this novela also. Muaricio Ochmann and Sandra Echeverria, Mauricio was eventually replaced by Manolo Cardona lot of speculation at that time their was major conflicts with Mauricio and the director or producer of that novela.Rumor also was the audience that taken with him as the lead maybe a wrong rumor or misleading one because as NovelaMaven pointed out El Clon was very popular because of the leads.Someone mentioned that Mauricio had a drug problem also at one point in his life so that could have been the problem at the time he was replaced for that novela. It was never made clear what the real reason why he was replaced.
The actress Aylin Mujica has interesting features maybe not on the level as Gaby Spanic but i think she may have had some work done. I'll leave it at that.
NovelaMaven i like your take on Julian killing these single mothers as representing his own mother again and again. Here's where i differ with your opinion he's not sane he's already made a couple of mistakes that catch up to him.
Even a serial killer can change his motive or reason for killing, can he kill Camila or a Mauricio yea i believe he could.He maybe fixated on Daniela as you say but we've seen Rodrigo throwing his plans awry so far by needing Daniela or meeting up with her to return her wallet.
I don't know how long this novela is but i certainly don't believe he's done killing. I think the question should be is how many more will he kill before he is caught.
The actress Aylin Mujica has interesting features maybe not on the level as Gaby Spanic but i think she may have had some work done. I'll leave it at that.
NovelaMaven i like your take on Julian killing these single mothers as representing his own mother again and again. Here's where i differ with your opinion he's not sane he's already made a couple of mistakes that catch up to him.
Even a serial killer can change his motive or reason for killing, can he kill Camila or a Mauricio yea i believe he could.He maybe fixated on Daniela as you say but we've seen Rodrigo throwing his plans awry so far by needing Daniela or meeting up with her to return her wallet.
I don't know how long this novela is but i certainly don't believe he's done killing. I think the question should be is how many more will he kill before he is caught.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 3:34:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 3:34:00 PM EST
Hombre Lola knew and so did Piedad both at one time has caught Benja with Camila it's one of the reasons why Lola gave Camila a hard time at work. But i can understand why Lola kept her mouth shut and she did try to talk to Benja who we see doesn't want to deal honestly with his failings as a husband. Piedad also tried talking to Benja too but once again it was fruitless.
Hombre you didn't answer the other question i asked is there a distinguishing difference between the two cheating spouses or are they both on the same level it doesn't matter if it's a man or women you find out your husband cheated on you with?
Hombre you didn't answer the other question i asked is there a distinguishing difference between the two cheating spouses or are they both on the same level it doesn't matter if it's a man or women you find out your husband cheated on you with?
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 3:43:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 3:43:00 PM EST
ELENA:
Hombre:
It's so ironic (but typical for a novela) that just when Walter is about to declare his love for Andrea, she decides to join a convent. Can't wait to see her in a nun's habit.
I KNOW! too funny...the actress that plays Milady should give her some tips in playing a nun...she was one in Amor Comprado a few years back and had a whole "will I stay in the convent or leave to be with the man I love" conflict, too.
Looking forward to tonight's episode--heard it should be good for the M&M 'shipper in me!
Hombre:
It's so ironic (but typical for a novela) that just when Walter is about to declare his love for Andrea, she decides to join a convent. Can't wait to see her in a nun's habit.
I KNOW! too funny...the actress that plays Milady should give her some tips in playing a nun...she was one in Amor Comprado a few years back and had a whole "will I stay in the convent or leave to be with the man I love" conflict, too.
Looking forward to tonight's episode--heard it should be good for the M&M 'shipper in me!
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 7:10:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 7:10:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN - wednesday
So many interesting comments after this episode. Just with a few shifts in the action and characters, we're all guessing again.
While I agree that Julian is acting out a symbolic killing of his mother, he is also in a more vulnerable position with the police breathing down the necks of the Clinic socios. At this point, I think he will manipulate things to throw suspicion on Rod or Benja, and it doesn't matter who he has to kill to do so --bad mother or not.
I don't understand how he even knows that Daniela is a "bad" mother. I only remember their having the most superficial getting to know one another conversations.
If Tatiana is going to try to set Benja up as the killer, Julian will help her by manipulating her to make a strong case against Benja. I don't think he will kill her, although I wasn't so sure when he went to visit her. If he becomes "loyal" to her, as he is to Piedad, he could kill Camila.
I got the feeling that Rod and Valeria are going to be a couple,although he and Piedad will wind up together in the end. Julian could still kill Valeria to throw suspicion on Rod.
Re Blusa's question: Tatiana is enraged because she feels by not telling her, everyone made a fool of her. So much of her anger seems to be more an ego thing than losing the man she really loves, or even denying her children a home with a father. As Hombre pointed out, some people are told about a partner's infidelity and make a choice to try and patch things up. In general, I don't think it is my place to expose someone who is having an affair. (I am in this exact situation now). Most often when a spouse strays, there is a problem in the marriage and usualy the partner that is cheated upon (is that English?) has a feling that something is wrong. If they had told Tati, the outcome would have been the same. The only diference is that her ego would have ben a bit les bruised.
Thanks for the advice about finding the back episodes when I return from vacation.
So many interesting comments after this episode. Just with a few shifts in the action and characters, we're all guessing again.
While I agree that Julian is acting out a symbolic killing of his mother, he is also in a more vulnerable position with the police breathing down the necks of the Clinic socios. At this point, I think he will manipulate things to throw suspicion on Rod or Benja, and it doesn't matter who he has to kill to do so --bad mother or not.
I don't understand how he even knows that Daniela is a "bad" mother. I only remember their having the most superficial getting to know one another conversations.
If Tatiana is going to try to set Benja up as the killer, Julian will help her by manipulating her to make a strong case against Benja. I don't think he will kill her, although I wasn't so sure when he went to visit her. If he becomes "loyal" to her, as he is to Piedad, he could kill Camila.
I got the feeling that Rod and Valeria are going to be a couple,although he and Piedad will wind up together in the end. Julian could still kill Valeria to throw suspicion on Rod.
Re Blusa's question: Tatiana is enraged because she feels by not telling her, everyone made a fool of her. So much of her anger seems to be more an ego thing than losing the man she really loves, or even denying her children a home with a father. As Hombre pointed out, some people are told about a partner's infidelity and make a choice to try and patch things up. In general, I don't think it is my place to expose someone who is having an affair. (I am in this exact situation now). Most often when a spouse strays, there is a problem in the marriage and usualy the partner that is cheated upon (is that English?) has a feling that something is wrong. If they had told Tati, the outcome would have been the same. The only diference is that her ego would have ben a bit les bruised.
Thanks for the advice about finding the back episodes when I return from vacation.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 8:30:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 8:30:00 PM EST
Blu, in answer to the other part of your question, I think it's equally bad if the cheating is heterosexual or homosexual.
ELENA
UGH! The pace is soooo slooooowwww...maddening! But le gemela rocks--Ana's doing fantastic playing the crazy.
ok, what was up with the editing of the first segment before the entrada? They showed Milady at the house with Jesusa and then a few scenes later Michel and Milady are back at the restaurant as they were a few nights ago...so; they're getting married now???
What was the discussion with Mauricio about? Did he admit that he likes Clara??? Again, my first pass/listen I didn't get everything...if they are getting married, too bad we didn't get to see the "proposal". And then............no more M&M. ugh. couldn't they throw us a bone??
le sigh.
Kalima...he's such a bad@ss...I hope MC gets his due, with his silly disguise et all!
I think Andrea is going to be the world's tallest sister/nun...she was TOWERING over Padre Aguas and the other nun...
UGH! The pace is soooo slooooowwww...maddening! But le gemela rocks--Ana's doing fantastic playing the crazy.
ok, what was up with the editing of the first segment before the entrada? They showed Milady at the house with Jesusa and then a few scenes later Michel and Milady are back at the restaurant as they were a few nights ago...so; they're getting married now???
What was the discussion with Mauricio about? Did he admit that he likes Clara??? Again, my first pass/listen I didn't get everything...if they are getting married, too bad we didn't get to see the "proposal". And then............no more M&M. ugh. couldn't they throw us a bone??
le sigh.
Kalima...he's such a bad@ss...I hope MC gets his due, with his silly disguise et all!
I think Andrea is going to be the world's tallest sister/nun...she was TOWERING over Padre Aguas and the other nun...
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 10:15:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 10:15:00 PM EST
Canuckfan on Elena
Mauricio was trying to get Michel to reconcile with Clara that's why Michel was kind of cold to him at the beginning of their conversation. Once he let Mauricio know that's not happening and that he and Milady are engaged and are getting married Mauricio and him got closer. This is where i feel Mauricio learns about the ugly side to bitter Clara. Yes he still has a thing for Clara but i don't believe he's going to let her destroy his daughters happiness because of her twisted delusions.
LOL about the Andrea comment she is tall isn't she? She reminds me of my own cousin when i visited them down south one summer and she shot up there in the growth department.
Kalima must have been taking lessons from superman how quickly did he murder and change into that guys uniform? Geez talk about faster than a speeding bullet.
I agree i don't think i can ever imagine the actress Ana Layveska as a heroine again after this role.Dulce and she make a sick and twisted pair getting everyone there to Margot's house. It seems like she is going to be disappointed because she wanted not only Rebecca and Latona to join Eduardo and company but Andrea as well.
Who else is having fun with the disguises now MC is dressing up as a sheik?
I'm reading supposedly there's supposed to be 109 episodes of EFDE so last night was episode. Los Herederos Del Monte is supposed to start in the new year along with Reina Del Sur.
Mauricio was trying to get Michel to reconcile with Clara that's why Michel was kind of cold to him at the beginning of their conversation. Once he let Mauricio know that's not happening and that he and Milady are engaged and are getting married Mauricio and him got closer. This is where i feel Mauricio learns about the ugly side to bitter Clara. Yes he still has a thing for Clara but i don't believe he's going to let her destroy his daughters happiness because of her twisted delusions.
LOL about the Andrea comment she is tall isn't she? She reminds me of my own cousin when i visited them down south one summer and she shot up there in the growth department.
Kalima must have been taking lessons from superman how quickly did he murder and change into that guys uniform? Geez talk about faster than a speeding bullet.
I agree i don't think i can ever imagine the actress Ana Layveska as a heroine again after this role.Dulce and she make a sick and twisted pair getting everyone there to Margot's house. It seems like she is going to be disappointed because she wanted not only Rebecca and Latona to join Eduardo and company but Andrea as well.
Who else is having fun with the disguises now MC is dressing up as a sheik?
I'm reading supposedly there's supposed to be 109 episodes of EFDE so last night was episode. Los Herederos Del Monte is supposed to start in the new year along with Reina Del Sur.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 12:18:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 12:18:00 AM EST
Alguien
NJSue i have to disagree with you i don't think it's Tatiana's ego but a woman who is corned she really did love Benja. I think she wanted a ideal marriage maybe like what her parents had but i can't even imagine how disillusioned she was finding out about him cheating on her with her sister who she helped raised.
Is she going overboard with trying to set up as the killer well yeah she is kinda but like i said she isn't killing anyone. She being vindictive just like Viviana was in DEE.
Julian i agree if it serves him throwing suspicion off of him i don't think he would care who he has to kill.
So happy that Mauricio was following him and took pictures of him with Daniela like i said Julian is getting sloppy now.He's getting more crazy by the episode too wth his visions of Eva.
Talking about real life experiences i had a former boss who was just like Benja the only difference was he had a common law wife. He had affairs left in right at the work place and was always complaining about his problems with his wife who would give him a hard time when she found out about his affairs. He had two children with this woman one of them was austic and his wife i heard had cancer on her nose.He eventually dropped his wife for one of the women he had a affair with at work.People were talking about him like a dog after he did that. He eventually got fired because he was doing something illegal at work and he got caught. In the end everytime i see Benja on the screen in this show i'm reminded of him so that's why i don't cut Benja any slack. If i ever knew his wife's number would i have told her apparently she always found out about his affairs anyway so my answer is no. If a woman can accept her man being like that, you can't say anything then.
NJSue i have to disagree with you i don't think it's Tatiana's ego but a woman who is corned she really did love Benja. I think she wanted a ideal marriage maybe like what her parents had but i can't even imagine how disillusioned she was finding out about him cheating on her with her sister who she helped raised.
Is she going overboard with trying to set up as the killer well yeah she is kinda but like i said she isn't killing anyone. She being vindictive just like Viviana was in DEE.
Julian i agree if it serves him throwing suspicion off of him i don't think he would care who he has to kill.
So happy that Mauricio was following him and took pictures of him with Daniela like i said Julian is getting sloppy now.He's getting more crazy by the episode too wth his visions of Eva.
Talking about real life experiences i had a former boss who was just like Benja the only difference was he had a common law wife. He had affairs left in right at the work place and was always complaining about his problems with his wife who would give him a hard time when she found out about his affairs. He had two children with this woman one of them was austic and his wife i heard had cancer on her nose.He eventually dropped his wife for one of the women he had a affair with at work.People were talking about him like a dog after he did that. He eventually got fired because he was doing something illegal at work and he got caught. In the end everytime i see Benja on the screen in this show i'm reminded of him so that's why i don't cut Benja any slack. If i ever knew his wife's number would i have told her apparently she always found out about his affairs anyway so my answer is no. If a woman can accept her man being like that, you can't say anything then.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 1:56:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 1:56:00 AM EST
Canuckfan Liannet Borrego the actress who plays Milady has been in three novelas with Elizabeth Gutierrez. Amor Comprado like you mentioned, Accoralada and EFDE now i think i remember where i saw her before on. i always thought she looked familiar but i couldn't remember the novela.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 2:19:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 2:19:00 AM EST
ELENA:
re: Liannet Borrego/Milady...
I did a search on youtube on her, and apparently her "six degrees of separation" with Elizabeth Gutierrez might even be more...
I think somebody in her family has posted tons of videos of Liannet in her various roles over the years...in 2005 she was in a novela called Mi Vida Eres Tu and her (small role) character was in a relationship with a (small role) character played by William Levy (in his first acting gig post PDN2). There are a few videos of them together in scenes (she was 17 at the time!) posted.
And, if the videos/captions posted by this user/family member is correct; Liannet has a much younger sister named Briannet and WL is apparently the kids' padrino. If you do the math, I think her sister was born around the time of the show...and Liannet and her family are also Cuban...interesting.
And, yes, I have too much time on my hands..... *whistles*
Thanks for explaining the Mauricio/M&M scene.
re: Liannet Borrego/Milady...
I did a search on youtube on her, and apparently her "six degrees of separation" with Elizabeth Gutierrez might even be more...
I think somebody in her family has posted tons of videos of Liannet in her various roles over the years...in 2005 she was in a novela called Mi Vida Eres Tu and her (small role) character was in a relationship with a (small role) character played by William Levy (in his first acting gig post PDN2). There are a few videos of them together in scenes (she was 17 at the time!) posted.
And, if the videos/captions posted by this user/family member is correct; Liannet has a much younger sister named Briannet and WL is apparently the kids' padrino. If you do the math, I think her sister was born around the time of the show...and Liannet and her family are also Cuban...interesting.
And, yes, I have too much time on my hands..... *whistles*
Thanks for explaining the Mauricio/M&M scene.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 8:02:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 8:02:00 AM EST
ELENA:
Thursday's show: I think it is a riot that Gemela has set it up so that Eduardo has 3 tries to enter 3 numbers in the bomb, or else, "Boom"!
It's also funny that Eduardo just calls her "Gemela" instead of her real name Elena, which would be confusing, and they haven't mentioned in months. The good Elena says we have to keep having faith, and of course her name is Elena Lafe (sort of Elena the faith). Other funny moments: Montecristo's clever disguise, Kalima's new look (that uniform will fool everyone, especially with the blood all over his face), and the snickering looks Dulce and Gemela give each other while plotting.
I agree with everyone about Andrea's height. I guess for her, becoming a nun was a "tall order".:)
Thursday's show: I think it is a riot that Gemela has set it up so that Eduardo has 3 tries to enter 3 numbers in the bomb, or else, "Boom"!
It's also funny that Eduardo just calls her "Gemela" instead of her real name Elena, which would be confusing, and they haven't mentioned in months. The good Elena says we have to keep having faith, and of course her name is Elena Lafe (sort of Elena the faith). Other funny moments: Montecristo's clever disguise, Kalima's new look (that uniform will fool everyone, especially with the blood all over his face), and the snickering looks Dulce and Gemela give each other while plotting.
I agree with everyone about Andrea's height. I guess for her, becoming a nun was a "tall order".:)
ALGUIEN, Thursday:
Since the show is called "Someone's watching you", we haven't had that much watching, until I now realize that Mauricio is our watcher. He used to tape all his girlfriends, and now he's taking photos of the various suspects with various partners. It's a little strange that he's somewhat fixated on Benja, but taking pictures of Julian, and I think last week, of Rodrigo. He definitely could be the key to Julian's unmasking, unless Julian kills HIM.
Yes, Julian is coming unglued, and the previews even said Julian is losing his "cordura", which means sanity. Uh oh.
Lola now appears ready to give El Buitre $5000.00 to "teach Lucy a lesson" (Spanish word here is escarmiento). This lesson plan may not get her a good grade, though.
Since the show is called "Someone's watching you", we haven't had that much watching, until I now realize that Mauricio is our watcher. He used to tape all his girlfriends, and now he's taking photos of the various suspects with various partners. It's a little strange that he's somewhat fixated on Benja, but taking pictures of Julian, and I think last week, of Rodrigo. He definitely could be the key to Julian's unmasking, unless Julian kills HIM.
Yes, Julian is coming unglued, and the previews even said Julian is losing his "cordura", which means sanity. Uh oh.
Lola now appears ready to give El Buitre $5000.00 to "teach Lucy a lesson" (Spanish word here is escarmiento). This lesson plan may not get her a good grade, though.
MEDICINE & TELEMUNDO – Thursday
If Dra Rosales (Liliana, Martín’s former colleague and sometime lover) is really willing to accept a million bucks to countenance a murder, then there are no honest voices left at the Cryonics facility. Of course she may just be telling the committee what they want to hear so she can get out of there alive. I hope so.
The writers over at Telemundo don’t seem overly fond of the medical profession. Think about it. Egomaniacal Albieri at the heart of ‘El Clon’ was willing to sacrifice, if not the lives, at least the happiness of others in the interests of Science.
Here in ‘Aurora’ we have Gustavo who worships at the altar of Science but is also motivated by his love for his daughter. He is surrounded by sycophants willing to kill for his favor (Elizabeth and Williams) or for fame and a quick buck (Dr. Gordo – don’t know his name, and his equally nameless sidekick; and then there was Dr. Parker, who sold the film of Aurora’s reanimación to Eduardo). He’s not particularly bloodthirsty – in fact he shows a certain distaste for Elizabeth’s affinity for murder – but in the end his distaste seems more aesthetic than moral. He will do what he has to do or allow others to do it for him. And remember that he’s the one who fired Dr. Martín Lobos, the only moral voice in the joint. Now, in Thursday’s episode we see Martín choosing a career in dance (or at least a job) over one in medicine.
And over at Alguien, the serial killer, the epitome of evil, is a surgeon who uses his impeccable surgical skills in unspeakable ways. His closest friends aren’t killers but they are doctors too and they are impaired in significant ways: Rodrigo is a recovering addict, Benja is an incorrigible womanizer and Piedad – well Piedad is sweet, but clueless. Maybe she will end up leaving medicine and will find a job teaching tango. If she survives. And if she knows how to tango.
If Dra Rosales (Liliana, Martín’s former colleague and sometime lover) is really willing to accept a million bucks to countenance a murder, then there are no honest voices left at the Cryonics facility. Of course she may just be telling the committee what they want to hear so she can get out of there alive. I hope so.
The writers over at Telemundo don’t seem overly fond of the medical profession. Think about it. Egomaniacal Albieri at the heart of ‘El Clon’ was willing to sacrifice, if not the lives, at least the happiness of others in the interests of Science.
Here in ‘Aurora’ we have Gustavo who worships at the altar of Science but is also motivated by his love for his daughter. He is surrounded by sycophants willing to kill for his favor (Elizabeth and Williams) or for fame and a quick buck (Dr. Gordo – don’t know his name, and his equally nameless sidekick; and then there was Dr. Parker, who sold the film of Aurora’s reanimación to Eduardo). He’s not particularly bloodthirsty – in fact he shows a certain distaste for Elizabeth’s affinity for murder – but in the end his distaste seems more aesthetic than moral. He will do what he has to do or allow others to do it for him. And remember that he’s the one who fired Dr. Martín Lobos, the only moral voice in the joint. Now, in Thursday’s episode we see Martín choosing a career in dance (or at least a job) over one in medicine.
And over at Alguien, the serial killer, the epitome of evil, is a surgeon who uses his impeccable surgical skills in unspeakable ways. His closest friends aren’t killers but they are doctors too and they are impaired in significant ways: Rodrigo is a recovering addict, Benja is an incorrigible womanizer and Piedad – well Piedad is sweet, but clueless. Maybe she will end up leaving medicine and will find a job teaching tango. If she survives. And if she knows how to tango.
GENERAL
I'm really confused about the new rules to post comments, so I'm trying the old way just to see. Is this why there are no comments past Wednesday on any of the Telemundo shows?, Lois
I'm really confused about the new rules to post comments, so I'm trying the old way just to see. Is this why there are no comments past Wednesday on any of the Telemundo shows?, Lois
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 12:06:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 12:06:00 PM EST
NovelaMaven very funny i've noticed that too if it's not drug references it's tearing down the medical profession ethics.
Hombre De Misterio LOL boy she is one tall order indeed.Reminds me of the movie "Someone To Watch Over Me" with Tom Cruise and Mitzi what's her last name his first wife.
Canuckfan that's it i knew there was another novela i saw her in i saw that one with William Levy Mi Vida Eres Tu. But that wasn't his first novela Olivardte Jamas was his first one followed by Mi Vida Eres Tu.
Hombre De Misterio LOL boy she is one tall order indeed.Reminds me of the movie "Someone To Watch Over Me" with Tom Cruise and Mitzi what's her last name his first wife.
Canuckfan that's it i knew there was another novela i saw her in i saw that one with William Levy Mi Vida Eres Tu. But that wasn't his first novela Olivardte Jamas was his first one followed by Mi Vida Eres Tu.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 12:59:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 12:59:00 PM EST
ALGUIEN THURSDAY
I had been watching this the day after, but I'm kinda getting hooked, so getting by on less sleep!
I'm hoping this comment posts all right. Anonymous at 12:06, the place to post comments looks the same to me. I think the new rules apply to recappers who need to post links to each day's (in our case each week's) recap.
Wow, Rafael Amaya is crazy scary in this novela. I had seen him long, long ago in Las Vías del Amor where he played the kind boyfriend who got knocked off by the evil older man who wanted his novia. By the way, Wikipedia is dangerous. I googled Amaya to confirm his character in Vías and right there was listed: Julián, the Killer. If I'd looked earlier it would have been a major spoiler.
Re Julián, have they ever said that the removal of the hearts showed a real surgeon's skill? That would seem to be a dead giveaway that it's one of the four. They showed a brief photo, and I thought the stitches looked like those I made when I was four years old.
The two key events last night were Rodrigo going to Daniela instead of his drug dealer. Whew! And Mauricio taking pictures of Julián with Daniela. It looks more and more like he's not going to kill her, since he made no attempt to grab her when she left the restaurant. Or else they're jerking me around!!!
I really liked Piedad at the beginning of this novela, but I'm losing patience with her. Her instincts make her want to pull away from Julián, but she won't listen to them. If she really was so wary of Rodrigo, it's pretty lame for an intelligent, comfortably well off woman to feel the necessity to latch onto someone else instead of just going it alone.
I had been watching this the day after, but I'm kinda getting hooked, so getting by on less sleep!
I'm hoping this comment posts all right. Anonymous at 12:06, the place to post comments looks the same to me. I think the new rules apply to recappers who need to post links to each day's (in our case each week's) recap.
Wow, Rafael Amaya is crazy scary in this novela. I had seen him long, long ago in Las Vías del Amor where he played the kind boyfriend who got knocked off by the evil older man who wanted his novia. By the way, Wikipedia is dangerous. I googled Amaya to confirm his character in Vías and right there was listed: Julián, the Killer. If I'd looked earlier it would have been a major spoiler.
Re Julián, have they ever said that the removal of the hearts showed a real surgeon's skill? That would seem to be a dead giveaway that it's one of the four. They showed a brief photo, and I thought the stitches looked like those I made when I was four years old.
The two key events last night were Rodrigo going to Daniela instead of his drug dealer. Whew! And Mauricio taking pictures of Julián with Daniela. It looks more and more like he's not going to kill her, since he made no attempt to grab her when she left the restaurant. Or else they're jerking me around!!!
I really liked Piedad at the beginning of this novela, but I'm losing patience with her. Her instincts make her want to pull away from Julián, but she won't listen to them. If she really was so wary of Rodrigo, it's pretty lame for an intelligent, comfortably well off woman to feel the necessity to latch onto someone else instead of just going it alone.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 1:11:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 1:11:00 PM EST
AURORA -- Thursday
NovelaMaven, you may have something there. None of the doctors -- except Martin -- have any sense of ethics in this tale. Albieri in El Clon, was just as bad; he had no emotions at all. He took advantage of everyone and didn't give a merde about how his actions affected anyone they touched. But he was no better in the original.
I doubt that Gustavo will hand over a million dollars that easily. Liliana still needs to watch her back.
Martin is wa$ting all those year$ of medical $tudy? Has he lo$t his mind?
Federico is creeping me out. Has anyone noticed whether this is the same actor as in the "prologue" or just a good pairing of a more mature one?
NovelaMaven, you may have something there. None of the doctors -- except Martin -- have any sense of ethics in this tale. Albieri in El Clon, was just as bad; he had no emotions at all. He took advantage of everyone and didn't give a merde about how his actions affected anyone they touched. But he was no better in the original.
I doubt that Gustavo will hand over a million dollars that easily. Liliana still needs to watch her back.
Martin is wa$ting all those year$ of medical $tudy? Has he lo$t his mind?
Federico is creeping me out. Has anyone noticed whether this is the same actor as in the "prologue" or just a good pairing of a more mature one?
ALGUIEN – Thursday
For me this show has divided itself neatly into two phases. In the first, it has the noirish flavor of a slick police procedural, a whodunnit. We suspect each of the doctors in turn until the writers force us to look at Julián as the killer.
In the second phase, we know WHO, we learn more of the HOW and WHY and we watch impatiently as the police run down false leads and waste their time on the wrong suspects. Well beyond noir, this phase has the feel of a horror flick, a campy one at that, as Rafael Amaya (as Julián) starts to let it all hang out -- the crazy eyes, the smirks, the frustration and even, as Hombre pointed out, the bad hair.
These scenes are creepy but they’re also funny in a Rocky Horror Show kind of way. And I feel like I should be watching them on my second best tv so I can throw things at it as I scream out warnings: Dani, don’t trust him! Piedad, don’t be an idiot!
For me this show has divided itself neatly into two phases. In the first, it has the noirish flavor of a slick police procedural, a whodunnit. We suspect each of the doctors in turn until the writers force us to look at Julián as the killer.
In the second phase, we know WHO, we learn more of the HOW and WHY and we watch impatiently as the police run down false leads and waste their time on the wrong suspects. Well beyond noir, this phase has the feel of a horror flick, a campy one at that, as Rafael Amaya (as Julián) starts to let it all hang out -- the crazy eyes, the smirks, the frustration and even, as Hombre pointed out, the bad hair.
These scenes are creepy but they’re also funny in a Rocky Horror Show kind of way. And I feel like I should be watching them on my second best tv so I can throw things at it as I scream out warnings: Dani, don’t trust him! Piedad, don’t be an idiot!
GENERAL
Been reading all the comments for ATM because I missed a couple and not thru with the comments yet. But I'm writing this note to see if I know how to post. So far so good.
Ann-NYC
Been reading all the comments for ATM because I missed a couple and not thru with the comments yet. But I'm writing this note to see if I know how to post. So far so good.
Ann-NYC
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 6:27:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 6:27:00 PM EST
ELENA
UGH! Was at an Xmas shingding tonight and missed the live stream of tonight's eppy...I was getting "live" tweets about the episode; and couldn't believe that the M&M boda was happening already!!
They move lightning speed in novela land--with the "engagement" yesterday, and already married today.
Now have to wait until tomorrow to see the episode--and being a Saturday Telemundo.com is extra slllooooowwww in uploading the new episode.
Can anyone share/spoil the M&M bits for me to tie me over until the AM? :)
UGH! Was at an Xmas shingding tonight and missed the live stream of tonight's eppy...I was getting "live" tweets about the episode; and couldn't believe that the M&M boda was happening already!!
They move lightning speed in novela land--with the "engagement" yesterday, and already married today.
Now have to wait until tomorrow to see the episode--and being a Saturday Telemundo.com is extra slllooooowwww in uploading the new episode.
Can anyone share/spoil the M&M bits for me to tie me over until the AM? :)
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 17, 2010 at 10:41:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 17, 2010 at 10:41:00 PM EST
Oh, would you really want spoilers? That was an incredible episode.
YES! Still waiting for the eppy to come online...you won't "spoil" it for me--as your recap will actually help me understand QTH is going on :)
thanks :)
YES! Still waiting for the eppy to come online...you won't "spoil" it for me--as your recap will actually help me understand QTH is going on :)
thanks :)
Permalink posted by : Saturday, December 18, 2010 at 8:11:00 AM EST
: Saturday, December 18, 2010 at 8:11:00 AM EST
ALGUIEN--general & Friday
As far as each victim being a mother, was Rocío a mom? I don’t remember mention of her being one.
I still can’t tell what fate (and the writers) have in store for Daniela. But I’m glad that if anything does happen, Mauricio snapped shots of her with Julián at the restaurant.
Matilde really should be the one who brings Julián down. He tried to run her over in the black SUV, so he has it coming! And she’s a single mother, also, so the irony would be delicious.
The scenes are creepy, but a nice creepy. Feels very cinematic. The scenes with Eva’s ghost as Julián’s conscience are beautifully shot and give me goose bumps. The way she mirrors his mannerisms is marvelous too.
Re: Rod vs. Julián—>with a baby on the way, Piedad probably doesn’t want to “go it alone.” My best guess is that it makes sense to her to latch on to someone, even if it isn’t Rod.
As far as each victim being a mother, was Rocío a mom? I don’t remember mention of her being one.
I still can’t tell what fate (and the writers) have in store for Daniela. But I’m glad that if anything does happen, Mauricio snapped shots of her with Julián at the restaurant.
Matilde really should be the one who brings Julián down. He tried to run her over in the black SUV, so he has it coming! And she’s a single mother, also, so the irony would be delicious.
The scenes are creepy, but a nice creepy. Feels very cinematic. The scenes with Eva’s ghost as Julián’s conscience are beautifully shot and give me goose bumps. The way she mirrors his mannerisms is marvelous too.
Re: Rod vs. Julián—>with a baby on the way, Piedad probably doesn’t want to “go it alone.” My best guess is that it makes sense to her to latch on to someone, even if it isn’t Rod.
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Andrea reiterated that she wanted to become a nun, Rebeca wasn't really buying it but didn't make a big deal out of it.
Dulce and Daniela/Elena/gemela set the trap for Eduardo with the bomb planted under the bassinet. The latter called Eduardo and told him he had three chances to key in the correct 3-digit code to deactivate the bomb. She cheerfully channeled every other novela villana while doing so, even watching the house from behind the wheel of the car.
Eduardo and the others found the bassinet with the bomb through the glass wall (HTF were the villains able to do this without being caught?) and he ordered the women to leave the area. Elena said she wanted to die with her baby, but Eduardo wasn't having it. He made the first attempt at the keypad when the others left him alone. That set off the ticking. 30 seconds to attempt it twice more and the bomb would go off anyway....
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Andrea reiterated that she wanted to become a nun, Rebeca wasn't really buying it but didn't make a big deal out of it.
Dulce and Daniela/Elena/gemela set the trap for Eduardo with the bomb planted under the bassinet. The latter called Eduardo and told him he had three chances to key in the correct 3-digit code to deactivate the bomb. She cheerfully channeled every other novela villana while doing so, even watching the house from behind the wheel of the car.
Eduardo and the others found the bassinet with the bomb through the glass wall (HTF were the villains able to do this without being caught?) and he ordered the women to leave the area. Elena said she wanted to die with her baby, but Eduardo wasn't having it. He made the first attempt at the keypad when the others left him alone. That set off the ticking. 30 seconds to attempt it twice more and the bomb would go off anyway....
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