Saturday, November 02, 2013
Mentir Para Vivir #20 Fri 11/1/13 He Returns From The Ashes, But A Grand Entrance It Ain’t
Capítulo
20
Lo
Del Pasado:
Oriana has been threatened by someone willing to
tell the world she’s not really Ines but the fugitive Oriana Caligaris. Oriana has told Ricardo and she’s determined
not to pay.
Lo
Del Nuevo:
An infuriated Oriana arrives at her friends’ new
B&B and indignantly accuses Raquel of writing the blackmail note out of
revenge for Ricardo having set his eyes on her instead. How could it be her, screams Raq. No way she’d stick the hangman’s noose around
her own neck that way. Oriana still has a
hard time believing that Raq’s innocent, and Raq says then they’ll have to be frenemies
since Oriana has finally shown her true metal [cobre=copper, brass]. They all go through the list of guests and
friends and nobody Lucina can think of had a reason to know, find out or of the
couple of people who owed her favors, none had a reason or an inclination toward
blackmail. Ok, says Oriana, then perhaps
it was Jose Luis! Raq is confused. “—isn’t
he dead?” Oriana looks like she wishes
he’d stay that way, too.
Meanwhile, Ric and Mariano have their own list of possible
blackmailers and they’ve crossed off everybody but Berto (apparently right
before the scene started). Mariano is
curious why. Ric says it could be he was
there, murdered his dad, and saw Oriana and Lina there. Mariano adds, then after he met her he put
the two together and tied up the loose ends.
Ric says he’s always had his doubts about the guy [dar mala espina]; and
now he has full reign of the company and could have waited for the opportune
moment to slip the note under 2nes’s door.
They figure it will be a total disaster for Paloma, 2nes and Lina if
this guy doesn’t get paid and goes through with his threats.
On the other hand, Ric sees no problem paying the
same monthly hush money to El Borrachon de Maligno Benigno for the really swell
way he took care of his daughter, Maria, all these years. Benny says to start anti-ing up a lot more
from now on or he’s going to let everybody know how macho Ric took advantage of
a mentally retarded girl all those years ago.
Ric says he’s not about to give him even a centavo more, especially
since he’s got witnesses now who’ll swear he was way too drunk to have been
physically able to do his daughter and that Benny knows it too! (Ok, but why then still think and act like he’s
your kid?) So, Maligno better think twice before
threatening Ric again, or he can forget about not only the money but that guest house he’s been living in rent free
all these years as well! Your decision,
dude!
A few hours later, Ric’s aunt calls in tears over
the fit Maria threw. She begs him to get
her out of her house and to stick her in an insane asylum or a psych hospital
somewhere, anywhere but there! Oriana’s
in his office and hears all of it; Ric mentions he found out how Maria attacked
her also. Ori says it was no big deal,
then tearfully tells him they both have too many problems and need their
space. She’s breaking it off. He refuses to believe it and will fight to
convince her otherwise, he tells her. (Fine, but not now.) She leaves.
He grieves.
Later that day, Paloma notes 2nes’s sad face and
tells her she doesn’t believe breaking things off with Ric is a smart
move. It won’t solve a thing. “—There’s nothing that can’t be solved by
talking it through.” The hassles with
Maria, Sebastardo and such cannot be reason enough to break up. Something else has to be up. 2nes can’t open up and tell her the truth.
Ric has a heart to heart with Piero in the park and
now Pierro knows the truth about True-nes and 2nes also. Pierro feels it was Lucina and Raqi, but Ric
says it couldn’t be since they’d be in trouble with the law also. Ok then, offers Pierro, perhaps her little
girl told somebody?
Ric finds Lina in the garden and he explains that he
knows the truth about her and her mother because her mother told him. He finds out from her that she hasn’t said a
word about any of that to anybody. Ric
excitedly calls Oriana to tell her how he knows it couldn’t have been Lina, but
she reads him the riot act over involving her little girl. Ric’s confused. He thought he was doing a good think eliminating
Lina as having accidentally spilling the frijoles to the wrong somebody. It was
hard enough getting the little girl to swallow the lies about her daddy’s death
and then to get her to think in terms of their new identities for him to muck
it up like that, she yells back at him over the phone. She hangs up on him. He tries calling back and she ignores the phone
and walks out of her bedroom.
He goes upstairs to check on Maria and overhears the
hassle with her nurse over the antique doll.
He scolds her for throwing a fit over the doll and warns her if she
keeps it up he’ll send her away where they will teach her how to behave. [Puhleeese!
For the love of gawd, do it now! Maybe if Fidelia tried leaving all those broken dishes, picture frames and antiques right where they lay till Ric gets home I think he'd change his tune in a DF minute.]
She wants to stay, she says; besides, Sebastian is coming by and he
promised her that she could stay there as long as she didn’t tell anybody
about---!” “—What? About what?”
Maria shuts up tight as a drum.
She covers with a little white lie and Ric’s head is pounding by
now. He and the nurse leave the room for
a discussion about Maria’s earlier behavior.
The nurse thinks all she may need is a change of medication. (I agree with Fidelia that she needs to be
interned somewhere. Maria definitely is not
ready for social prime time.)
When bedtime comes for Alina, Oriana makes sure to
remind her that she still cannot tell a soul the truth about themselves.
Sebastian arrives at Paloma’s manse a few minutes later to take Fabiola, at this point still sweet sixteen and never been
kissed, to the party. Mama Madhilde
comes to her daughter’s side for last minute advice and admonishments,
especially no drinking! Sebastardo
promises to treat Fabi right and to
chauffeur her promptly to and fro.
Cesar comes home and tells his mother and dad that
he’s quit his job at the company and plans to become a missionary priest. Madhilde has a fit but Cesar tells her he
grew up and is making his own decisions now.
Ruben this time actually stops his wife from going after Cesar like a
rabid dog and tells her to let it be.
After all, it could be “the call of Dios”. She tells him that’s a bunch of bunk cuz Dios
would never allow a son to be separated from a mother like her! “--Oh, well if you mean a suffocating,
possessive and controlling mother like you, then yes!!” (Viewerville does a hive five at the screen
for Ruben finally rockin’ it.)
Across the way at Ric’s, Fidelia begs him to take
Maria have her put away. The woman is
simply not ready for civil society!
It’s his son’s mother and she’s his responsibility, he reminds her
angrily. Sure as heck is, but she’s not
her responsibility, is his aunt’s flustered and frustrated response. He backs off a bit and finally sweet talks his
aunt into giving him one more chance.
At the party we see numerous twenty-somethings. Fabiola definitely makes it look like Seb’s into cradle-robbing. She’s too square a peg for his fast circle of
friends. Grease-ball Berto and the ravishing Raquel
are both there. Berto finds out whose daughter she is and
tells him she doesn’t seem to fit in at all.
Sebastardo says he’ll get her to
loosen up. First thing he tries is giving her alcohol
and getting her drunk. Berto sees the way things are heading with Seb
and Fabi and mentions it to Raq. She
says she figures the girl’s gotta get laid sometime. Tonight’s
as good as any. (Funny how Berto hasn’t
put the moves on Raqi yet.)
Neither Ric nor 2nes can get to sleep because they’re
both upset over her having to break off their relationship. FF>>
Meanwhile, Madhilde waits up for Fabiola. Fabi’s in the drive sitting in Seb’s
car. Seb starts putting the moves on
her, telling her that he gets to paw her now that they’re going steady. (Viewerville keeps waiting for Mama Madhilde
to signal with the driveway lights or something.) Fabiola
sneaks into the house a long while later and we never learn if Seb got past
first base or not. (Damn!) Mama is mad that she’s come in so late. Fabi passes
Mama’s manual breathalyzer test and promises she’ll never come home that late
again.
Early the next morning Cesar is over at the padre’s
to let him know that he finally told his parents what he had planned to do with
the rest of his life. Mariano tries
talking him out of it, thinking that he might just be looking for a way to
escape his mother’s clutches. Yes, he is
doing that, but he also wants to do something useful for society and Dios. This is what he thinks is best. Maddy calls him and finds him over at the
rectory with Mariano. She immediately
blames Mariano of brainwashing her son, and tells Paloma as much. Paloma suggests that he’s old enough to
decide for himself. She strongly hints
for her to let him do what he wants.
Back in San Carlos along the coast, we see a taxi
dropping off a fare by the abandoned, former El Descanso looking more and more
like a huge mausoleum in the middle of nowhere.
The driver asks if the passenger is certain he wants to stay there
because the place isn’t a hotel any longer.
He tells his passenger the story about how they killed a rich man right
there at that hotel, that they say it was a woman, but could have been her
little girl. Either way, they ran off
from the place and after that the business went to Hell along with its
reputation.
The man’s got a single briefcase with him, full of multi-dollar bills, and he hands one to the driver before getting out for a look-see. He carries a large teddy bear in the other hand. Guessy who-ooooo! Daddy’s home! It’s Jose Luis, come back from the dead and looking for his family! (OMG! Compared to Ric, I got to admit this is one handsome villano I am going to abhor abhorring.)
The man’s got a single briefcase with him, full of multi-dollar bills, and he hands one to the driver before getting out for a look-see. He carries a large teddy bear in the other hand. Guessy who-ooooo! Daddy’s home! It’s Jose Luis, come back from the dead and looking for his family! (OMG! Compared to Ric, I got to admit this is one handsome villano I am going to abhor abhorring.)
Jose Luis walks inside and takes a look around. The place is a literal dump! Beer bottles and old food and newspapers are
in piles all over the place. (Surprisingly, no rats were hired as extras
for this scene.) The dumb, drunk dude he
hired as a side-kick has spent all the money on pizza and beer instead of
having a cleaning crew come in to get it ready for guests and JL is
pissed! He also wants to know what Dumb Dude…Eliseo?
has found out about where his family
went off to when the place was sold. DD
tells JL that he heard the owners bought another small hotel in Hermosillo but
he couldn’t find out a thing about his wife and daughter.
Jose Luis heads down to the pool and finds Manolo
there giving the place a cursory security check. He introduces himself as Santos Carvajal. He tells
Manolo that he plans to turn the place into his residence once he fixes the
place back up. He gossips a bit to the “new
owner” about the murder and how they say it was the little girl who killed the
rich man, but that the gun used was too heavy a caliber for a little six year
old to hold let alone shoot. And what
happened to her and her mother? Oh, they
fled and nobody’s heard hide nor hair of them since. Mano suggests
another hotel up the road for Sr. Carvajal and explains it was in much better
shape when the last owners had the place, but that now after a murder and an
unknown dead girl on the beach, the people in the area think it’s cursed
[salado] property.
Mano
gives JL a lift to the hotel up the beach and JL stops to ask him for Lucina
and Raqi’s phone number. Mano is suspicious and wants to know
why. Jose Luis lies and says they left a
few things in the storeroom and lost their phone number. He needs
to know whether to send the things up to them or to throw them away. Mano starts searching his cell phone contacts
list and the credits roll.
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Comments:
Thank, J. Looking forward to it.
I hope other fans will not mind too much if I use this pre-recap time to complain a little bit about our star couple. I am more and more finding the Oriana/Ricardo pairing less convincing. Not sure why.
One thought I have had is that the character of Oriana is not well drawn. She is intelligent and seems both more thoughtful and mature than Ricardo. But she cries so much and her sexy outfits don't go with her intelligence and education. She looks awkward physically, though she is certainly a beautiful woman. Her scenes with Paloma and that darling little Alina are my favorites and seem truest to her character. I think I would like her better with Mariano, who both looks a little older and is a little wiser than Ricardo and just seems a closer fit to Oriana somehow.
As for Richardo, DS is a bit mechanical in the role. Poor guy's role seems to consist of him careening from one crisis to another, but again, something not clicking for me.
Still enjoying the novela in general and maybe all will come together when our big, bad (and handsome) Jose Luis arrives on the scene.
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So Raquel knew what was in the letter without reading it. Hmm. Also, Jose Luis doesn't know where Oriana is yet. Hmm.
cathyx, you are not alone re the Spock/Matilde look alike theory!
Fatima
Fatima
Permalink posted by 
: Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 11:44:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 11:44:00 AM EDT
Thank, J. Looking forward to it.
I hope other fans will not mind too much if I use this pre-recap time to complain a little bit about our star couple. I am more and more finding the Oriana/Ricardo pairing less convincing. Not sure why.
One thought I have had is that the character of Oriana is not well drawn. She is intelligent and seems both more thoughtful and mature than Ricardo. But she cries so much and her sexy outfits don't go with her intelligence and education. She looks awkward physically, though she is certainly a beautiful woman. Her scenes with Paloma and that darling little Alina are my favorites and seem truest to her character. I think I would like her better with Mariano, who both looks a little older and is a little wiser than Ricardo and just seems a closer fit to Oriana somehow.
As for Richardo, DS is a bit mechanical in the role. Poor guy's role seems to consist of him careening from one crisis to another, but again, something not clicking for me.
Still enjoying the novela in general and maybe all will come together when our big, bad (and handsome) Jose Luis arrives on the scene.
You've made some thoughtful observations re Orines, Traveling Lady. Oriana is not really clear about who she is at this point in her personal story. I think she carries the burden of her real past with Jose Luis deep inside her. While she may not have ever said it (or maybe she has and I don't remember), I personally think that such an intelligent woman would still be wondering about the truth surrounding his death.
In so many ways, she has not been set free from that former relationship. Until the truth of that relationship is clear to her, she cannot move on with Ricardo. I think she is going to learn much more about Jose Luis than she ever wanted to know, but she needs to know that truth in order to have a truthful relationship with Ricardo.
I wonder if Orines' outfits will evolve as these truths are learned and the real Oriana is allowed to come through.
Right now, I see her as an intelligent woman bombarded with so many burdensome pressures. Boy oh boy, if I were in her position at the moment, someone like Raquel could tip me over the edge!
Fatima
In so many ways, she has not been set free from that former relationship. Until the truth of that relationship is clear to her, she cannot move on with Ricardo. I think she is going to learn much more about Jose Luis than she ever wanted to know, but she needs to know that truth in order to have a truthful relationship with Ricardo.
I wonder if Orines' outfits will evolve as these truths are learned and the real Oriana is allowed to come through.
Right now, I see her as an intelligent woman bombarded with so many burdensome pressures. Boy oh boy, if I were in her position at the moment, someone like Raquel could tip me over the edge!
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 12:10:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 12:10:00 PM EDT
I hope this show doesn't do to Fatima what they always do to innocent young women and have her fall in love with Sebastian and get pregnant.
Now Piero knows Ines's true identity. How long before the cat is out of the bag and Matilde finds out.
I'm with Oriana on this one, Ricardo had no business questioning Lina. What info did he get? Nothing, and it only made Oriana mad.
Now Piero knows Ines's true identity. How long before the cat is out of the bag and Matilde finds out.
I'm with Oriana on this one, Ricardo had no business questioning Lina. What info did he get? Nothing, and it only made Oriana mad.
Traveling Lady - I think Oriana is not coherent b/c the writers are trying to have her be intelligent but wardrobe dresses her as a vixen as they do the younger protagonists. It seems the writers of these shows make beautiful women unaware of their beauty or the effect they have on others; while its supposed to be showing the characters modesty, it also makes them incredibly naive. Actually one of the most appropriately dress tn heroines I've seen is Marina over on LT.
Also as Fatima brought up, she may be having trust issues b/c of her husband; she thought he was a good man and now ....
Cathyx - yes on Spock/Matilde and on Fabiola not getting impregnated by SebeNada. Let her realize he is a horrible person before losing her virginity to him.
Also as Fatima brought up, she may be having trust issues b/c of her husband; she thought he was a good man and now ....
Cathyx - yes on Spock/Matilde and on Fabiola not getting impregnated by SebeNada. Let her realize he is a horrible person before losing her virginity to him.
That's Ok, cathyx! I am still a young woman! Innocent? Well, in some ways. LOL!
Fatima
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 2:30:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 2:30:00 PM EDT
Does anyone else wish that David Zepeda and Diego Olivera were cast in each other's roles?
Love how Ruben stood up to MadHilde last night for Cesar. MadHilde has the potential to be another Dona Bernarda (of TdA).
Love how Ruben stood up to MadHilde last night for Cesar. MadHilde has the potential to be another Dona Bernarda (of TdA).
I don't see anything wrong with how Oriana is dressing. She's built like a brick house and she's not a stick with a flat a$$. Clothes look good on her. Basically, everything she wears is "blousy" or loose except that jeans. If I had her a$$, I'd be on twitter taking photos of it everyday.
Besides, Ricky likes it and that's all that matters.
Besides, Ricky likes it and that's all that matters.
Urban, I have to disagree with you. I can't figure out why Oriana would have been attracted to Jose Luis. His look would have been attractive in the 70s. Whenever I see him, I think of EVIL Ron Burgundy.
Cynderella! Right on!
Me, I love Orines. She's smart. She's beautiful. Not too many people can pull off wearing skin tight white jeans. She sure as heck can! However, I do think that sometimes there is a sense (to me) that her clothes have "progressed" more than she has emotionally progressed.
The one that kind of "bugs" me is Marilu of the red hair and bangs. I can take her or leave her as a character. She just looks like all of the rest of the stable of Televisa 20-something chicks. There is nothing "interesting" about her.
Urban, honestly, I am torn between the two men (Ricardo and Jose Luis). On a good day, I'll take them BOTH, but Diego is H.O.T.
Fatima
Me, I love Orines. She's smart. She's beautiful. Not too many people can pull off wearing skin tight white jeans. She sure as heck can! However, I do think that sometimes there is a sense (to me) that her clothes have "progressed" more than she has emotionally progressed.
The one that kind of "bugs" me is Marilu of the red hair and bangs. I can take her or leave her as a character. She just looks like all of the rest of the stable of Televisa 20-something chicks. There is nothing "interesting" about her.
Urban, honestly, I am torn between the two men (Ricardo and Jose Luis). On a good day, I'll take them BOTH, but Diego is H.O.T.
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 3:07:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 3:07:00 PM EDT
I also think there's nothing wrong with how she dresses. It's very modern and in accordance to her age. She's supposed to be 35-40 I think. No one can blame her for wanting to show off her assets.
Who else thought Paloma got up to slap Matilde when she called her a bad mother? I was waiting for it but she didn't. There's still hope for the future.
Who else thought Paloma got up to slap Matilde when she called her a bad mother? I was waiting for it but she didn't. There's still hope for the future.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 4:25:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 4:25:00 PM EDT
That fraud Phoniana even teaches her child to lie! Her sweet personality is also a facade. She turned into a ferocious witch in an instant when she found out that Ricardo had talked to her daughter. Her skin-tight outfits make her look like a 'tuta. I don't buy the act for an instant.
Here's one more day I remain in Matilda's corner. Her instinct to protect her daughter is right on the money. Sebastian is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Watch out. As for her over protection of her son, I'm not sure yet. It's either bad writing, because obviously Matilda is religious, or perhaps Matilda knows more about that priest than we do. That's quite a strong reaction. I think it's safe to say that both of her beautiful, innocent, well behaved children, are in danger of being despoiled. And Matilda will soon be proven right. She shows her true face at all times (even if it is a little homely), and I like that. She says what she means and she means what she says.
Here's one more day I remain in Matilda's corner. Her instinct to protect her daughter is right on the money. Sebastian is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Watch out. As for her over protection of her son, I'm not sure yet. It's either bad writing, because obviously Matilda is religious, or perhaps Matilda knows more about that priest than we do. That's quite a strong reaction. I think it's safe to say that both of her beautiful, innocent, well behaved children, are in danger of being despoiled. And Matilda will soon be proven right. She shows her true face at all times (even if it is a little homely), and I like that. She says what she means and she means what she says.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 7:06:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 7:06:00 PM EDT
Welcome Superalfie! I says good for 2nes to flaunt it myself. She hasn't got much longer to, so live it up, lady!
Thank you, Jardinera. Thorough and funny.
I did love Matilde the breathalizer moment. Poor Fabiola. One of my favorite characters. I do get a charge out of the debate between Paloma and Matilde -- both agree that the goal is not to have her runaway with a worthless cad (Sebastian?), it's the degree of control i that is in dispute.
Thanks, all, for interesting thoughts on 2nes. I guess we will see how things evolve for her as we enter the next stage with handsome Jose Luis' arrival. The white suit looks great on him.
I did love Matilde the breathalizer moment. Poor Fabiola. One of my favorite characters. I do get a charge out of the debate between Paloma and Matilde -- both agree that the goal is not to have her runaway with a worthless cad (Sebastian?), it's the degree of control i that is in dispute.
Thanks, all, for interesting thoughts on 2nes. I guess we will see how things evolve for her as we enter the next stage with handsome Jose Luis' arrival. The white suit looks great on him.
Jardinera thanks for the recap. Who do you think sent the note? It would not be beneficial for Raquel despite her jealousy over Ricky to have done this and Berto I don't think is bright enough to think about it.
UA - I think it would have been if the DZ and DO had been in different roles. I'm looking forward to seeing DO as a baddie.
UA - I think it would have been if the DZ and DO had been in different roles. I'm looking forward to seeing DO as a baddie.
I'm halfway through this ep and bouncing off of what Traveling Lady said, I think DZ and Mayrin click, but the issue is that the Orianez character is STRESSED. She's living, uncomfortably, a double life and that letter she received sent her over the edge. Everyone who finds out who she is: Mariano, Ricardo, Lucina, Raquel, are comfortable about Orianez lying, but she isn't.
The whole EP just feels stressful and pressure cooker-like. I loved the scene where she's breaking up with Ricardo because it's obvious he's crazy about her, but she just can't handle a relationship in addition to all the lies she has to keep up to not hurt Paloma or get extradited to Colombia. She also isn't sure whether Jose Luis is dead like Manolo said because of the note, which would make her an adulterer. Even though she is crying a lot, she's holding back the tears because she can't really live her life honestly.
I also just watched Thurs episode and I can't muster any sympathy for Matilde. All she cares about is Paloma's money and I'm glad Paloma told her she loves Cesar and Fabiola and she won't leave them without an inheritance, but Matilde me da la mala espina. To me she's two-faced and hypocritical, given how she landed Ruben and treats Fidelia, who is of her class. Plus she treats the servants crappily. The only thing I agree with her is that Sebastian is shady and Fabiola should stay ten feet from him at all times.
The whole EP just feels stressful and pressure cooker-like. I loved the scene where she's breaking up with Ricardo because it's obvious he's crazy about her, but she just can't handle a relationship in addition to all the lies she has to keep up to not hurt Paloma or get extradited to Colombia. She also isn't sure whether Jose Luis is dead like Manolo said because of the note, which would make her an adulterer. Even though she is crying a lot, she's holding back the tears because she can't really live her life honestly.
I also just watched Thurs episode and I can't muster any sympathy for Matilde. All she cares about is Paloma's money and I'm glad Paloma told her she loves Cesar and Fabiola and she won't leave them without an inheritance, but Matilde me da la mala espina. To me she's two-faced and hypocritical, given how she landed Ruben and treats Fidelia, who is of her class. Plus she treats the servants crappily. The only thing I agree with her is that Sebastian is shady and Fabiola should stay ten feet from him at all times.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 10:39:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, November 2, 2013 at 10:39:00 PM EDT
I agree with ANON Sat Nov 02, 07:06:00 PM EDT about Matilde's parenting as long as the Fabiola is a MINOR. OK, I think she did go overboard when she dragged Fabiola away from a six year old, but nowadays, you have to watch your kid. Especially your female kid.
From the case of TMI about me. I was raised in Iowa, and we didn't have a lot of trouble going on at the time. However, I went to live with my aunt in California when I was 13-15 years old. My aunt was a Paloma type of guardian. So, my friends were gang members, who smoked dope with there parents. TRUE STORY: one of the girls that I hung out with...I can't prove it, but I'm sure that her mother sold her to the drug dealer that lived across the street from them. Alls I know if that the 13 year old girl lived across the street from her mother with the mother's dealer.
The only reason, I got out the way that I am is because my mother was a strong Christian who acted like Matilde and I was afraid of her even though she lived a couple thousand miles away from me. I knew that crazy chick would come to California and beat the stew out of me. I would hang around those kids, but I didn't do what they did...but I could have.
OK, so I'm saying that I agree with her about Matilde's parenting skills, however, once they become an adult, you gotta let them go.
P.S. My mother had a hard time with that too. (smile)
From the case of TMI about me. I was raised in Iowa, and we didn't have a lot of trouble going on at the time. However, I went to live with my aunt in California when I was 13-15 years old. My aunt was a Paloma type of guardian. So, my friends were gang members, who smoked dope with there parents. TRUE STORY: one of the girls that I hung out with...I can't prove it, but I'm sure that her mother sold her to the drug dealer that lived across the street from them. Alls I know if that the 13 year old girl lived across the street from her mother with the mother's dealer.
The only reason, I got out the way that I am is because my mother was a strong Christian who acted like Matilde and I was afraid of her even though she lived a couple thousand miles away from me. I knew that crazy chick would come to California and beat the stew out of me. I would hang around those kids, but I didn't do what they did...but I could have.
OK, so I'm saying that I agree with her about Matilde's parenting skills, however, once they become an adult, you gotta let them go.
P.S. My mother had a hard time with that too. (smile)
Sorry, I meant to say: "Alls I know IS that the 13 year old girl lived across the street from her mother with the mother's dealer".
Geez! I am in a talkative mood this this morning.
@ ANON Sat Nov 02, 07:06:00 PM EDT
I don't understand why you are only focusing on Oriana's lies. They are ALL lying about something to protect themselves.
1. Gabriel taught Pretty Ricky to lie and deceive to protect the family's "good name".
*Ricky hid the paternity of "his son".
*Ricky is a womanizer, like his father. I'm sure he's keeping flower 1*800*FLOWERS in business all by himself.
*Ricky lies about Oriana's identity so that he can keep her with him. She's a suspect in his FATHER'S murder, yet, because she can kiss and speak well, he wants to keep her with him.
2. Felipe, Lucina and Raquel lie all day everyday. They can come up with a lie without even blinking. They kinda sorta blackmail their "friend" to get money out of her.
3. Sabastian is hiding his paternity from Ricky for money. That is very evil.
4. Antonio and Piero...where do I start.
5. The priest was lying for Oriana and encourages her to lie.
6. Rhodalina lies because she is can.
7. Maria and Benigno lie. She wants dolls, money and Ricky. He's just evil.
My point is that I don't understand why you focus on Oriana when the WHOLE town lies and has horrible secrets.
@ ANON Sat Nov 02, 07:06:00 PM EDT
I don't understand why you are only focusing on Oriana's lies. They are ALL lying about something to protect themselves.
1. Gabriel taught Pretty Ricky to lie and deceive to protect the family's "good name".
*Ricky hid the paternity of "his son".
*Ricky is a womanizer, like his father. I'm sure he's keeping flower 1*800*FLOWERS in business all by himself.
*Ricky lies about Oriana's identity so that he can keep her with him. She's a suspect in his FATHER'S murder, yet, because she can kiss and speak well, he wants to keep her with him.
2. Felipe, Lucina and Raquel lie all day everyday. They can come up with a lie without even blinking. They kinda sorta blackmail their "friend" to get money out of her.
3. Sabastian is hiding his paternity from Ricky for money. That is very evil.
4. Antonio and Piero...where do I start.
5. The priest was lying for Oriana and encourages her to lie.
6. Rhodalina lies because she is can.
7. Maria and Benigno lie. She wants dolls, money and Ricky. He's just evil.
My point is that I don't understand why you focus on Oriana when the WHOLE town lies and has horrible secrets.
Good points Cynderella about everyone lying. Hence the title, Mentir Para Vivir.
I'm with you about Madhilde to an extent. I think there should be limits and boundaries for children to live with, but they must be reasonable if you don't want your child to rebel against them. I just had this conversation with a coworker the other day. My parents were quite strict and had clear boundaries, and the 4 of us children were well behaved and didn't rebel. I credit that to the fact that they were reasonable and not set impossible to live with rules. My coworker had strict parents but their strictness and boundaries were not enforced with regularity and some of the rules were not reasonable, such as not being allowed to be friends with the opposite sex, as an example. So since her rules didn't make sense and had no reasonableness or regularity to them, she and her siblings rebelled.
But being too permissive is also not good either, because it can leave children thinking that the parents don't care what they do. I know people who raise their children with the sink or swim attitude, and many children aren't equipped with the ability or maturity to start swimming when it was necessary.
So I think that Madhilde is a bit too strict in not letting Fabiola to go out at all, and not letting Cesar make his own career choices, but I think that Sebastian was not a good choice for a first time date. They should know his reputation and his personality to not trust him with Fabiola.
I'm with you about Madhilde to an extent. I think there should be limits and boundaries for children to live with, but they must be reasonable if you don't want your child to rebel against them. I just had this conversation with a coworker the other day. My parents were quite strict and had clear boundaries, and the 4 of us children were well behaved and didn't rebel. I credit that to the fact that they were reasonable and not set impossible to live with rules. My coworker had strict parents but their strictness and boundaries were not enforced with regularity and some of the rules were not reasonable, such as not being allowed to be friends with the opposite sex, as an example. So since her rules didn't make sense and had no reasonableness or regularity to them, she and her siblings rebelled.
But being too permissive is also not good either, because it can leave children thinking that the parents don't care what they do. I know people who raise their children with the sink or swim attitude, and many children aren't equipped with the ability or maturity to start swimming when it was necessary.
So I think that Madhilde is a bit too strict in not letting Fabiola to go out at all, and not letting Cesar make his own career choices, but I think that Sebastian was not a good choice for a first time date. They should know his reputation and his personality to not trust him with Fabiola.
I agree with you, CathyX. My mom was strict, but she let me out of the house. She had to know where I was, who I was with, the phone number and when I would be back. She would also do spot checks every once in a while. My aunt never cared where I was. Because she too was from Iowa, she had kind of a "small town" attitude. She figured that I couldn't get into too much trouble. She didn't realize the kind of neighborhood she lived in because she didn't hang out with anyone there or know any of the kids. She didn't get it.
I agree that Cesar is an adult and Matilde needs to back off. Like I said, my mom wanted to continue parenting me into my thirties and that is where we clashed.
Cynderella
I agree that Cesar is an adult and Matilde needs to back off. Like I said, my mom wanted to continue parenting me into my thirties and that is where we clashed.
Cynderella
Cyndarellla, thank you for your points about everyone lying about their lives in this TN. There are only three people in this who feel any sort of remorse about their lies and Orianez is the major one. Ricardo and Pierro are the other two. Everyone else is basically, 'Yeah, I lie, so whatever.'
Matilde is semi-right about Fab, and all-the-way wrong about Cesar. He's old enough and responsible enough off and go work for the Catholic Church as a missionary. Sebas was a bad choice for a first date, but it seems Fab has no other friends she hangs out with-a product of Tilde's overprotectioin-which is why she had to settle for the slim pickings that Sebas represents. I wish Matilde was as tough on her husband in getting him to get a job and stop living off of Paloma's charity as she is on her kids. Ruben is the one who needs her haranguing, not her kids.
Matilde is semi-right about Fab, and all-the-way wrong about Cesar. He's old enough and responsible enough off and go work for the Catholic Church as a missionary. Sebas was a bad choice for a first date, but it seems Fab has no other friends she hangs out with-a product of Tilde's overprotectioin-which is why she had to settle for the slim pickings that Sebas represents. I wish Matilde was as tough on her husband in getting him to get a job and stop living off of Paloma's charity as she is on her kids. Ruben is the one who needs her haranguing, not her kids.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 3, 2013 at 1:34:00 PM EST
: Sunday, November 3, 2013 at 1:34:00 PM EST
Hi, all! I think all the confoosing typo's are out.
Karen: I thought Berto, just like Ric thinks so. He looks like a doofus grease-ball, but he has smarts enough to go most the way through college for an accounting degree, remember.
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Traveling Lady: I agree with your take on the main couple. They started out seemingly compatible, but DO's is just more appealing to me and seems more suited than DZ to play opposite our lady lead though we know Jose Luis is a slug. I hope to see more sexual tension between Oriana and JL because of it and because there is a loving, sexually satisfying history there.
Karen: I thought Berto, just like Ric thinks so. He looks like a doofus grease-ball, but he has smarts enough to go most the way through college for an accounting degree, remember.
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Traveling Lady: I agree with your take on the main couple. They started out seemingly compatible, but DO's is just more appealing to me and seems more suited than DZ to play opposite our lady lead though we know Jose Luis is a slug. I hope to see more sexual tension between Oriana and JL because of it and because there is a loving, sexually satisfying history there.
Cynderella:
"They are ALL lying about something to protect themselves." ITSA! I also have to say that you've done well considering the strikes you had against you, but I also agree that Madhilde has a point, but she's got to learn to let go and not to criticize, but to offer suggestions. After a point you just have to hope that most of what you poured into them took hold and hope for the best.
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Cathyx: Yes! Spock! Good catch! I kept wondering myself about that. LOL!
"They are ALL lying about something to protect themselves." ITSA! I also have to say that you've done well considering the strikes you had against you, but I also agree that Madhilde has a point, but she's got to learn to let go and not to criticize, but to offer suggestions. After a point you just have to hope that most of what you poured into them took hold and hope for the best.
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Cathyx: Yes! Spock! Good catch! I kept wondering myself about that. LOL!
J desde NYC:
"Ruben is the one who needs her haranguing, not her kids."
Another well made point. But, I think she wants to wear the pants in this family and that means having the financial sway she does by having become her aunt's slavish gopher. It got the kids into the right schools, kept them in the right social strata and gave them all a roof over their heads. It also seems it's allowed her a bit of a well-deserved --and chirished--martyr complex IMHO.
"Ruben is the one who needs her haranguing, not her kids."
Another well made point. But, I think she wants to wear the pants in this family and that means having the financial sway she does by having become her aunt's slavish gopher. It got the kids into the right schools, kept them in the right social strata and gave them all a roof over their heads. It also seems it's allowed her a bit of a well-deserved --and chirished--martyr complex IMHO.
Keep Fabiola away from Sebastian. I'm surprised at Paloma not getting the vibes on him.
In the smallest towns, you can get into the most trouble, sex,nothing else to do. Drugs are in the small towns too. In large towns, cities, there are places to go, things to do.
In the smallest towns, you can get into the most trouble, sex,nothing else to do. Drugs are in the small towns too. In large towns, cities, there are places to go, things to do.
Jardinera- So sorry to be commenting so late, but I’ve only just seen the episode. Wonderful recap of the episode!
I’m not seeing how Ori/MV and Ricky/DZ don’t look good together. ITA with J desde NY for why Ori is so stressed. She has a heck of a lot going on, and having a boyfriend right now, especially one with his own long list of problems, is only adding to that stress. I totally get why she broke up with him. In that breakup scene in the office, I thought DZ did a good job at expressing Ricky’s disappointment and heartbreak, without overdoing it. (Better crying than in that first episode when he was supposed to be grieving for his father.) I like how he turned away from Piero so that his buddy couldn’t see his tears. Men don’t like other men to see them cry.
I am very worried for Fabiola with Sebastian. I agree that parents should set rules and have high standards for their kids, but I don’t agree with the controlling/stiffing way Mati has raised her. When watching that scene in the car, I could see that Sebas’ bullsh*t was working on Fabi precisely because she has been so darned sheltered and has ZERO experience with guys. At that age, I would have been rolling my eyes at a guy telling me he loved me on our first sort of date, all while trying to walk his hand up my skirt. I knew better from experience and from what my parents taught me. It looks like Fabi is going to be introduced to the world of guys/men in the worst way possible—either being used and dumped (probably preggers), or put into a very bad situation where she is vulnerable to rape by either Sebas or his horrible friends.
Mati cracked me up with her image of Cesar as a missionary working with poor people in rural areas -- in the jungle…surrounded by savages with AIDS and cholera. Wow! Somebody needs to go back to Sunday school (and social studies class)!
I also enjoyed Lucina’s reason for why none of her contacts would be the blackmailers—because they owe her a lot of favors and she is a “mujer de armas tomar” (not a woman to be reckoned with/a feisty woman). I’ve always enjoyed the visual image that saying conjures up. I always picture a hardnosed dame grabbing up her six shooters, like in some old movie.
I continue to be delighted by the actress who plays Alina. Her scenes with Paloma were great. She’s very natural.
I’m not seeing how Ori/MV and Ricky/DZ don’t look good together. ITA with J desde NY for why Ori is so stressed. She has a heck of a lot going on, and having a boyfriend right now, especially one with his own long list of problems, is only adding to that stress. I totally get why she broke up with him. In that breakup scene in the office, I thought DZ did a good job at expressing Ricky’s disappointment and heartbreak, without overdoing it. (Better crying than in that first episode when he was supposed to be grieving for his father.) I like how he turned away from Piero so that his buddy couldn’t see his tears. Men don’t like other men to see them cry.
I am very worried for Fabiola with Sebastian. I agree that parents should set rules and have high standards for their kids, but I don’t agree with the controlling/stiffing way Mati has raised her. When watching that scene in the car, I could see that Sebas’ bullsh*t was working on Fabi precisely because she has been so darned sheltered and has ZERO experience with guys. At that age, I would have been rolling my eyes at a guy telling me he loved me on our first sort of date, all while trying to walk his hand up my skirt. I knew better from experience and from what my parents taught me. It looks like Fabi is going to be introduced to the world of guys/men in the worst way possible—either being used and dumped (probably preggers), or put into a very bad situation where she is vulnerable to rape by either Sebas or his horrible friends.
Mati cracked me up with her image of Cesar as a missionary working with poor people in rural areas -- in the jungle…surrounded by savages with AIDS and cholera. Wow! Somebody needs to go back to Sunday school (and social studies class)!
I also enjoyed Lucina’s reason for why none of her contacts would be the blackmailers—because they owe her a lot of favors and she is a “mujer de armas tomar” (not a woman to be reckoned with/a feisty woman). I’ve always enjoyed the visual image that saying conjures up. I always picture a hardnosed dame grabbing up her six shooters, like in some old movie.
I continue to be delighted by the actress who plays Alina. Her scenes with Paloma were great. She’s very natural.
David Zapeda vs. Diego Olivera playing the roles of Ricardo and Jose Luis:
I think the choice of Diego Olivera is perfect for JL. JL is older, more experienced, suave, worldly, and manipulative. Right now he’s passing himself off as a rich writer. He has a sophisticated air and mannerisms that make him seem trustworthy enough that a police officer just gave him Lucina’s phone number! DZ would not fit that at all description. DO pulls it off perfectly.
DZ does great villains. But his best villain Bruno (Sortilegio) was full of rage—more rabid, tenacious dog, than smooth criminal. He was fantastic at that. And I think he’s doing well here as the smart, yet impetuous galan.
I think the choice of Diego Olivera is perfect for JL. JL is older, more experienced, suave, worldly, and manipulative. Right now he’s passing himself off as a rich writer. He has a sophisticated air and mannerisms that make him seem trustworthy enough that a police officer just gave him Lucina’s phone number! DZ would not fit that at all description. DO pulls it off perfectly.
DZ does great villains. But his best villain Bruno (Sortilegio) was full of rage—more rabid, tenacious dog, than smooth criminal. He was fantastic at that. And I think he’s doing well here as the smart, yet impetuous galan.
Vivi, so agree with you about DZ. His psycho angry bad guy was so believable. I hated him and loved him at the same time. He's definitely better here than El Fuerzo for the main good guy. But I think he doesn't do mushy lover very well. He could calm it down and act more like real guys do, he'd be perfect.
Vivi,
I so co-sign everything you said about Fabiola falling for Sebastian's 'I love you' line. It's obvious that Fabiola has no close girlfriemds who could have told her that line is classic I'm trying to get in your pants move little boys play. I literally rolled my eyes because back in junior high I heard girls talking about boys doing that nonsense and the classic parent bird-and-the-bees talk here in the US to girls consists of warning them that sex isn't love and boys will say that to you to get in your pants. I couldn't believe Fabiola fell for it..
Also, given that Matilde purposefully got preggers by Ruben to get him to marry her, you'd think she would've had a girl-to-girl talk with Fabiola to warn her about how people use sex to take advantage of others. She didn't have to tell her daughter what she did to get with Ruben, but a good talk about dangers out there, pitfalls, games, and values would've gone a long way.
David zepeda is a good galan here because he's crazy about Orianez. Orianez is more reserved because she's living a double life, hasn't fully resolved her feelings for her supposedly dead hubby but you can tell she does love Ricardo. DO is giving me a disciple from a Jesus movie vibe with his beard. I keep on thinking he's gonna say,' He aquí El Codero de Dios' like John the baptist.
I so co-sign everything you said about Fabiola falling for Sebastian's 'I love you' line. It's obvious that Fabiola has no close girlfriemds who could have told her that line is classic I'm trying to get in your pants move little boys play. I literally rolled my eyes because back in junior high I heard girls talking about boys doing that nonsense and the classic parent bird-and-the-bees talk here in the US to girls consists of warning them that sex isn't love and boys will say that to you to get in your pants. I couldn't believe Fabiola fell for it..
Also, given that Matilde purposefully got preggers by Ruben to get him to marry her, you'd think she would've had a girl-to-girl talk with Fabiola to warn her about how people use sex to take advantage of others. She didn't have to tell her daughter what she did to get with Ruben, but a good talk about dangers out there, pitfalls, games, and values would've gone a long way.
David zepeda is a good galan here because he's crazy about Orianez. Orianez is more reserved because she's living a double life, hasn't fully resolved her feelings for her supposedly dead hubby but you can tell she does love Ricardo. DO is giving me a disciple from a Jesus movie vibe with his beard. I keep on thinking he's gonna say,' He aquí El Codero de Dios' like John the baptist.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 3, 2013 at 6:57:00 PM EST
: Sunday, November 3, 2013 at 6:57:00 PM EST
Variopinta,
I am not saying that there were no drugs in the small town. But, being from a small town curbed my teenage shinanegans. Secondly, their were virtually no Blacks in my home town. So, we were easily identifiable and noticed. Everyone knew what school we went to, what area of town we lived on and my family's name.
True story: I once had someone report back to my mother that I was a well behave childe because I stood quietly at the bus stop every morning. Moral of that story? I couldn't even stand at a bus stop NOT doing anything without someone telling my mother on me. LOL
I am not saying that there were no drugs in the small town. But, being from a small town curbed my teenage shinanegans. Secondly, their were virtually no Blacks in my home town. So, we were easily identifiable and noticed. Everyone knew what school we went to, what area of town we lived on and my family's name.
True story: I once had someone report back to my mother that I was a well behave childe because I stood quietly at the bus stop every morning. Moral of that story? I couldn't even stand at a bus stop NOT doing anything without someone telling my mother on me. LOL
CathyX,
I took Spanish in high school, and a semester in college. Then about three years ago, I started watching TNs. So, I bought a bunch of Spanish verb books from used books stores. Other than that, I can't speak it very well, I can read it quite well. LOL
I took Spanish in high school, and a semester in college. Then about three years ago, I started watching TNs. So, I bought a bunch of Spanish verb books from used books stores. Other than that, I can't speak it very well, I can read it quite well. LOL
Same here, I used to be able to speak it fairly well, but since I haven't spoken it for a while, I struggle with that. I can read it the best, then write it, then understand it, but speaking is the worst.
Jardinera - Great recap.
Ay papi! Jose Luis was so hot keeping his emotions in check when he asked about his little girl and the shooting with the heavy gun. So what, he smuggled some gold. Ric practically keeps a mentally disabled woman confined. Oriana, nobody's perfect.
Ay papi! Jose Luis was so hot keeping his emotions in check when he asked about his little girl and the shooting with the heavy gun. So what, he smuggled some gold. Ric practically keeps a mentally disabled woman confined. Oriana, nobody's perfect.
Niecie- There's also that pesky little problem of JL putting the illegal money in an account in her name, but I hear what you're saying. :)
Vivi - JL never got a chance to explain why he put it in her account. But he's had months to work up a good excuse. :D
Hi all!! Thanks Jardenera, your recap was awesome. Raquel was my #1 suspect too. She seems very capable of blackmail and worse. Her comment about Fabiola and her innocence upset me. Granted her mother can do a better job raising her, but she needs protection for her own sake.Her sweetness and innocence should inspire protection from Sab and Raquel. Berto the perv seemed more concerned. I agree with both Viv and Cynderella. Madhilde should balance her parenting style. Fab needs both protection and education about life.
Oriana stresses about everything and we feel her pain. Imagine always waiting for your lie to be discovered. What I don't get is why the breakup with Ric? He knows the whole story. I would imagine he could be of some help.
Alina is the real star in this TN.
Olive
Oriana stresses about everything and we feel her pain. Imagine always waiting for your lie to be discovered. What I don't get is why the breakup with Ric? He knows the whole story. I would imagine he could be of some help.
Alina is the real star in this TN.
Olive
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 3, 2013 at 10:52:00 PM EST
: Sunday, November 3, 2013 at 10:52:00 PM EST
I'm thinking Oriana broke up with Ric because she thinks JL is still alive. Until she knows for sure, she wouldn't want to be carrying on with another man no matter what on terms they parted ways. If he's alive, she's still married. Plus, as others have said, she's all stressed out, and I think he's been a lot more into her and having a relationship right now than she's been into him and the whole idea of a relationship at this time.
I like these two characters together, but I don't think they have a great spark. Maybe it'll come as the story progresses.
I have to say that the first episode or two, I was NOT impressed with the little Alina actress, and I was wondering what we were in for, but I have completely come around. I think she's doing a great job.
I am having a few problems with the portrayal of Maria. As I understand it, she supposed to be mentally ill or delayed or possibly some mix of the two. She doesn't exactly act like either. The drugs people take for epilepsy make them really sleepy acting and seems to slow down their thinking. At least that's what I've seen in a few people that I have known. Developmentally delayed people do not 'connect the dots' like Maria does. The can manipulate like all heck, but not be nearly as sharp about it as she is. She's more like an intelligent crazy person. So if she's crazy, why are they trying to blame it on being deprived of oxygen at birth or her epilepsy? No, I don't need or want an answer to that question. It's just a beanie moment.
My only other gripe with this TN so far is the music. I.Can't.Stand.It. I have to mute it during the intro credits. Not too wild about any of the music during the show either, the love themes, etc., but that intro music is like nails on a blackboard for me. I've never watched a TN before where I loathed the music. Good thing this one is only 100 eps, har har.
Thanks for the great recap, Jardinera.
I like these two characters together, but I don't think they have a great spark. Maybe it'll come as the story progresses.
I have to say that the first episode or two, I was NOT impressed with the little Alina actress, and I was wondering what we were in for, but I have completely come around. I think she's doing a great job.
I am having a few problems with the portrayal of Maria. As I understand it, she supposed to be mentally ill or delayed or possibly some mix of the two. She doesn't exactly act like either. The drugs people take for epilepsy make them really sleepy acting and seems to slow down their thinking. At least that's what I've seen in a few people that I have known. Developmentally delayed people do not 'connect the dots' like Maria does. The can manipulate like all heck, but not be nearly as sharp about it as she is. She's more like an intelligent crazy person. So if she's crazy, why are they trying to blame it on being deprived of oxygen at birth or her epilepsy? No, I don't need or want an answer to that question. It's just a beanie moment.
My only other gripe with this TN so far is the music. I.Can't.Stand.It. I have to mute it during the intro credits. Not too wild about any of the music during the show either, the love themes, etc., but that intro music is like nails on a blackboard for me. I've never watched a TN before where I loathed the music. Good thing this one is only 100 eps, har har.
Thanks for the great recap, Jardinera.
Rosy Ocampo told in an interview that the first actor who was chosen was David Zepeda for the novela and she adjusted to him the others.
Ocampo would liked Lucero the first female role, but Lucero said in this year she would concentrate on her music career. After hooked Mayrin.
I don't know if it was true or false, but Laura Carmine had chance for Oriana.
Sorry girls, but I don't like Diego Olivera, he didn't convinced me neither in TDA nor AC. I feel that .... when a food is unsalted, has no taste.
And Does anyone know why the following happening with me? --> When I try to post a comment from my mobile phone, the system accept that, but after a minute it will be deleted. Last week I could only mobile net, and all my comments failed. :S :S
Ocampo would liked Lucero the first female role, but Lucero said in this year she would concentrate on her music career. After hooked Mayrin.
I don't know if it was true or false, but Laura Carmine had chance for Oriana.
Sorry girls, but I don't like Diego Olivera, he didn't convinced me neither in TDA nor AC. I feel that .... when a food is unsalted, has no taste.
And Does anyone know why the following happening with me? --> When I try to post a comment from my mobile phone, the system accept that, but after a minute it will be deleted. Last week I could only mobile net, and all my comments failed. :S :S
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 4, 2013 at 4:56:00 AM EST
: Monday, November 4, 2013 at 4:56:00 AM EST
Alejo- Sometimes Blogger mistakes comments for spam. Sometimes the blog administrators can find the comment hanging out in limbo and free it for you.
Great recap, Jardinera, as always!
I'm sorry to be so late in the commenting game, but I entered a writing competition on the 1st of November (Write a Novel Month) and I've been focusing almost exclusively on it the entire weekend.
I need to learn to manage my time better - not fair to put my Caray mates on the back burner for so long.
I'm sorry to be so late in the commenting game, but I entered a writing competition on the 1st of November (Write a Novel Month) and I've been focusing almost exclusively on it the entire weekend.
I need to learn to manage my time better - not fair to put my Caray mates on the back burner for so long.
Thanks to all of you ladies and gents! Glad you stopped in and took the time to read and to comment.
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Regarding 2nes's stressful situations:
"he's been a lot more into her and having a relationship right now than she's been into him" --ITA! Ric's been single and both the business and keeping family secrets have dominated his mind and efforts. Now he's ready for a loving relationship. Oriana had a romantic relationship/history, a simple, but happy family, and a career. Then her world falls apart and she's forced on the run with a little one in tow for not one, but two major crimes and is now guilty of a third in order to hide!! It wouldn't be easy for me at all. If I had to choose between the two situation's, I would take Ric's over hers. Maria should have been thrown into an intstitution long ago and maybe she'd be ready to return to live a relatively normal life within a social setting of some sort by now.
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OKay! My big question which I've been forgetting to ask since this thing started is why, if they make such a big deal about this being the twenty-first century, haven't they done either a blood test for paternity (earlier on when Seb was first born) or a DNA test so the blackmail would be useless to Maligno?
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Regarding 2nes's stressful situations:
"he's been a lot more into her and having a relationship right now than she's been into him" --ITA! Ric's been single and both the business and keeping family secrets have dominated his mind and efforts. Now he's ready for a loving relationship. Oriana had a romantic relationship/history, a simple, but happy family, and a career. Then her world falls apart and she's forced on the run with a little one in tow for not one, but two major crimes and is now guilty of a third in order to hide!! It wouldn't be easy for me at all. If I had to choose between the two situation's, I would take Ric's over hers. Maria should have been thrown into an intstitution long ago and maybe she'd be ready to return to live a relatively normal life within a social setting of some sort by now.
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OKay! My big question which I've been forgetting to ask since this thing started is why, if they make such a big deal about this being the twenty-first century, haven't they done either a blood test for paternity (earlier on when Seb was first born) or a DNA test so the blackmail would be useless to Maligno?
Good morning, Jardinera, I still haven't gotten around to watching this episode yet (Texans game last night...don't ask...) but I read your recap this morning and of course, fabulous as always... just wish I could sip a cool drink while enjoying the read. My favorite line:
"Guessy who-ooooo! Daddy’s home!"
I'm sooo worried about little Fabiola. I feel fatherly protective of her (what TN have we seen her in before?). Drat Sebastion and drat Raquel... though she doesn't surprise me.
I'll try to sneak a peak at the actual episode sometime during the day.
Carlos
"Guessy who-ooooo! Daddy’s home!"
I'm sooo worried about little Fabiola. I feel fatherly protective of her (what TN have we seen her in before?). Drat Sebastion and drat Raquel... though she doesn't surprise me.
I'll try to sneak a peak at the actual episode sometime during the day.
Carlos
Jardinera: I agree with you, Ric and Maria's storyline a bit far-fatched, because they should done a simple DNA-test.
Carlos: Fabiola alias Geraldine Galvan was in the PESE as Jennifer.
I love this telenovela, but another little note, the storyline is not integrated. For example in some episodes Maria is the central person, but after we don't see for a long time.
Vivi: thanks for the information.
Carlos: Fabiola alias Geraldine Galvan was in the PESE as Jennifer.
I love this telenovela, but another little note, the storyline is not integrated. For example in some episodes Maria is the central person, but after we don't see for a long time.
Vivi: thanks for the information.
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 4, 2013 at 11:28:00 AM EST
: Monday, November 4, 2013 at 11:28:00 AM EST
Thanks AlejoP, I didn't watch PESE, but I looked up Geraldine Galván and see that she was also our little anorexic, Alison in CME... we were all very protective of her in that as well.
Carlos
Carlos
ITA about the paternity test. You would think a guy as smart as Pretty Ricky is supposed to be would think of that, especially since he has his doubts that he was even physically able to do the deed. Or Oriana, from her more objective viewpoint.
Carolina, I really like the theme song and like Ricardo Montaner, the singer, but this is what makes this blog so interesting, yes?
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 4, 2013 at 3:50:00 PM EST
: Monday, November 4, 2013 at 3:50:00 PM EST
Carolina- I think because it happened when Ricky was so young, he didn't think about the DNA test back then. But his parents definitely should have. It's them I wonder about. I think Ricky is working his way towards doing a DNA test now. But at this point, I don't think the truth will change the way Ricky sees/feels about Sebas. For 18 years he's thought of Sebas as his son, and Sebas was raised with him as a brother. But he needs to be freed from Ben's blackmail. I bet if Ricky had found out the truth about Sebas' real bio dad before Sebas did, he wouldn't want to tell him. He'd likely prefer to keep going with Sebas considering him his hated secret father.
I like the music so far because I haven't found it to be overwhelming. No scene so far has jumped out at me as being overtaken by the music, which is often a problem in a lot of tns. I also liked the Fuego Lento song.
I like the music so far because I haven't found it to be overwhelming. No scene so far has jumped out at me as being overtaken by the music, which is often a problem in a lot of tns. I also liked the Fuego Lento song.
The music isn't exactly catchy, is it? What I dislike is the goofy intro with the folding pictures. The folding graphics is nifty, but the stills are not. The choice for a bikini on MV was pretty bad. The color and the style--or lack of style, really--does absolutely nothing. Didn't costuming go through a "color me beautiful" course? It should be part of their orientation training!
Forgot to sign my post! The anon @03:50 pm was me.
Fatima
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 4, 2013 at 7:43:00 PM EST
: Monday, November 4, 2013 at 7:43:00 PM EST
Fatima, I'm just not into that pop sound in general. To each her own. It does make this blog - and life - interesting. I was hoping that it might grow on me, but it seems the opposite is happening, so it's something I'll just have to grin and bear.
Jardinera, yes, the folding thingies aren't very appealing, either. I thought maybe they were meant to represent truth unfolding, but who knows.
Vivi, I'm with you in that Ricky was young and it's been a long time that he's been living with the false understanding, but I'm not so sure that he wouldn't rather welcome the news that the charming Seb is not his relation, and therefore not his problem anymore. I could see him still wanting to help out Maria even after he finds out the truth, which we all know is going to happen sooner or later. But snotty little Sebastian? Not so much. We shall see. :)
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Jardinera, yes, the folding thingies aren't very appealing, either. I thought maybe they were meant to represent truth unfolding, but who knows.
Vivi, I'm with you in that Ricky was young and it's been a long time that he's been living with the false understanding, but I'm not so sure that he wouldn't rather welcome the news that the charming Seb is not his relation, and therefore not his problem anymore. I could see him still wanting to help out Maria even after he finds out the truth, which we all know is going to happen sooner or later. But snotty little Sebastian? Not so much. We shall see. :)
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