Friday, July 25, 2014
Lo Que La Vida Me Robo 181, 24 July, 2014 - Check It Out; The Show Was Blah but the Patio Has A Lively Conversation
Robo 181
Introduction
Even a yeoman recapper cannot
craft a good recap out of re-crap. At best, we resort to creative fabrication
and humor; at worst we devolve into cynical and edgy observations that are
often fueled by a tinge of self-loathing.
Please remind me, just WHY
did I volunteer for this job?
I can only imagine that what
we are viewing in Capitulo 181—sheer telenovela dreck—was not planned, but was
a scrambling response to a tragedy that occurred in the life of Angelique
Boyer—the unexpected los of her mother. We offer our deepest condolences to the
actress.
A few days ago one of our
finest recappers, Novela Maven, called for the services of a forensic
psychiatrist to assist the not-so-good people of Aguazul. Now that is an interesting idea.
I am no Forensic
Psychiatrist, but I play one on TV. Grin.
So, dear friends of the Patio
of Lowered Expectations, and those of you who are hunkered down in the Bunker
of Ironic Detachment; in order to encourage lively Friday conversation on the
Board as we enter Ultimas Semanas, I offer to facilitate a discussion on the
following (sort of) Forensic Sociological topic—the context that holds the story of Lo Que La Vida Me Robo.
Story and Context: The Mexican Drug War
The title of “Lo Que La Vida
Me Robo” sums up the experience of its’ characters—they are bereft and
victimized. Life isn’t fair; something
was stolen from them that was theirs as a natural human birthright. The
characters of “Robo’ are all victims of life itself. They are aggrieved, and
from this suffering all manner of maladaptive personal responses emerge.
Each of the main characters
has suffered major losses, but each of them still starts the story with a
lingering belief in ‘justice’, which is absolutely contrary to their personal
experience.
But justice is hard to come
by in the best of times, and the people of the fictional town of Aguazul are
not living in good times. They are in the midst of a war, the so-called Mexican
Drug War. CNN estimates that between 2006-2012 60,000 people died in this
internal armed conflict in Mexico.
60,000 people. In six years.
If you allowed the meaning of that number to settle into your mind, you might
burst into tears.
The late Caridad Bravo Adams,
a brilliant Cuban-born storyteller and writer of telenovelas (TNS), penned the
original version of this story. She set the historical story in the context of a
historical war, and, although we see a heavily adapted and expanded version of
the TN in Lo Que La Vida Me Robo, the story still only makes (a scintilla) of
sense if we view it in the context of the Mexican Drug War.
In times of war, humans focus
on survival. Period. They lie, they cheat, they steal, and they do what has to
be done to keep themselves and their loved ones alive.
There is no blind Lady
Justice in present day Mexico. Priests and nuns, journalists, politicians and
judges who have tried to interfere in the activities of the warring Cartels
have been summarily tortured and killed. No one is safe in this war zone, and
there is no reliable place for citizens to go for help. The stink of
corruptions rides on the night breeze in Aguazul along with humidity and the
smell of the sea. It is inescapable.
This does not, of course,
excuse the dreadful behavior of many of our characters. They lie easily and
often. They have cheated, swindled, killed, and tormented one another. There
are very few good guys in “Lo Que La Vida Me Robo.” But what is most noticeable
to me in the story of “Robo” is the way that societal justice is subverted over
and over and over again. People are falsely imprisoned, or they are allowed to
be free at the whims of municipal officials. In Robo, the provincial Governor,
the local Mayor and the chief of Police have, throughout the story, all
been murderous thugs and criminals. How horrible for the people under their
control!
If you were placed in the
situation of the characters of “Robo”, what would you do? Would you work the
system? Would you bribe public officials to keep your tribe safe? Would you report suspicious behavior or would
you turn your head and not see?
If “Robo” reflects in its
context—even dimly—the experience of citizens of some cities and towns in
Mexico, then God help them.
Perhaps Graciela Mendoza’s
oft repeated dicho, “Te falta Dios!” is not entirely supposed to refer to the
person she is insulting. Could it also obliquely
refer to the terrible predicament—The Drug War—within which some of Mexico’s
people find themselves?
Lo Que La Vida Me Robo
Padre Anselmo warns Ezekiel
to take care of himself as EZ heads out for a campaign rally. If it weren’t for
good ol’ ‘Zeke, he would be dead!
At breakfast on the terrace
of Almonte’s beach mansion, the family discusses Jose Luis’ latest
shenanigans. Rosario wants to make sure
that her son knows of Jose Luis’ recent (uninvited and unwelcome) nocturnal
visit to Montserrat. Convinced that he should not overreact lest he play in
JL’s games, Alejandro has a surprise for Montserrat. He takes her to the Toyota
dealer! No, I am not joking.
Alejandro buys Montserrat a
brand new plain vanilla white Toyota minivan. She is thrilled. But unknown to
both of them, creepy stalker Jose Luis has followed them to the showroom.
Josefina is worried about Adolfito’s
preoccupation with work. It must be hell to be a killer with a nagging tiny
conscience. He makes Josefina promise to stay at the house. She should not
leave for any reason.
The pieces of Jose Luis’
latest plan fall into place.
Over at the Sweet Shoppe, Temptations,
Macario teaches his new son Kevin the ins and outs of the expensive Italian
espresso machine. Good foam is everything, my boy. Esme come onto the patio
with Angelito and her new crush, Erik. Erik sings a new song, composed just for
Esme, called “The Dancer”. Folks listen, clap, drop money in his hat and
Dominga decides that Erik should come in the afternoons to play his guitar at
Temptations for the pleasure of the patrons. Macario is not happy about any of
this.
Dimitrio and Refu talk about
JL’s recent bad behavior. Refu complains that he will never accept another man
around his son. Dimitrio tells Refu to get a life. At least he has a son. His
mujer isn’t dead!
In the town Plaza EZ Basurto
campaigns for Governor. He has drawn a small crowd. Carlota fans herself while
EZ begins to give a speech about cleaning up government when a shot rings out.
Bang! El Alacran has stuck again. EZ is knocked over by the force of the blow.
Adolfo puts away his gun, thinking that he has killed his longtime partner in
crime, EZ.
Maria continues to give new
meaning to the phrase BSC. Dressed in a blonde wig, she walks up the steps of
Alejandro’s beach house. Alejandro’s crack security guards nod and greet the
imposter as Señora Almonte. Ale is out back by the pool. He takes a shallow
dive into the teeny pool and is joined by Maria. She looks quite trim in a
black bikini, I must say. She gets into the pool with Ale and pretends (once
again) that she is Montserrat. Ale throws her butt out of the pool and tells
her not to come back.
Montserrat is driving he Very
Boring Minivan (VBM) down the Esplanade. She checks her rearview mirror and
sees Creepy Stalker Jose Luis in her backseat. Startled by the site of him she
crashes into the car in front of her. She hits her head on the steering wheel.
The TOYOTA VBM’s airbag deploys and Montserrat slumps against the wheel,
knocked out. For a moment JL acts like he cares. He runs around the side of the
van to check on Montserrat. Then he continues with his Creepy Stalker plan.
At the fabulous Pink Basurto
mansion, EZ and Carlota walk in, accompanied by EMTs. EZ was not killed because he was wearing a
bulletproof vest, but an upset Carlota argues that she could be dead now; of a
heart attack. The EMT treats the nasty bruise on EZ’s chest. A policeman comes
to deliver the news to Carlota that Montserrat has been in a car accident.
Carlota jumps up; ready to go to Montserrat’s aid, but EZ insists that she stay
put. Pedro Medina is behind all of this and he is dangerous!
At the hospital the doctor
tells Creepy Stalker JL that Montserrat is fine. She had a very minor bump on
the head. (How the hell does he know that it was minor?) JL can visit her now.
Operation Gaslight now
begins. JL visits an angry Montserrat and pretends that he just came to the
hospital because he heard she was there. She accuses her of startling her and
causing the accident but he denies being in the car at all.
Gaslight!
Jose Luis has people who will
place him at the office at the tie of the accident. He is worried about
Montserrat, and about his daughter. What if she had been in the car?
Montserrat knows that JL is
scheming to get her in front of a judge and to take Romina away from her!
Creepy Stalker JL denies all.
Adolfo is back at his nest,
still holding the gun when Pedro Medina comes by. Somebody must have put some
ginseng in Pedro’s coffee because he has a manic light in his beady blue
eyes. When Adolfo reports (incorrectly)
that EZ is dead, Pedro gets up in his face and tells him that the monstrous
Josefina Valverde will now get to breathe for another day—as long as El Alacran
continues to obey HIS orders.
Pedro is now completely BSC.
He shakes, he has facial tics, he shouts and then he says, “We’ll be in touch,”
and takes his leave.
Poor Blind Nadia (PBN) and
Vapid Victor discuss Montserrat’s accident. PBN wants to visit Montserrat right
now. She is very worried about Adolfito.
He is in danger and Pedro would like to kill him!
Back at the Hospital,
Alejandro comes to get Montse. She tells him her tale—JL caused the accident.
He was in the back seat of the car and startled her, which is why she crashed.
She tells him of the Gaslighting plan; JL is pretending that Montserrat is
going around the bend. She is imagining things. Alejandro believes her version
of events.
In some unknown locale,
Pedro’s two black clad thugs drag Maria into a dark room. Pedro is waiting. He
humiliates her and makes her sit on the floor. She does not appear afraid of
him. He tells her hat EZ is dead.
Back at Fina’s, Adolfo
watches TV news and learns that EZ Basurto is not DEAD! What luck!
Over at the beach house, PBN
visits Graciela. Graciela hasn’t changed. When Nadia reports that Montse is OK
after her accident, Graciela’s response is that she is glad that she won’t lose
another of her children before the tumor kills her. When Nadia tells her that she is sorry to hear
of the diagnosis Graciela barks at her to not be a hypocrite. Nadia insists she
is sincere while Gracie tortures PBN with the horrors that will come to her as
she dies of the brain cancer. She will not be able to talk; she won’t have
control of her body, etc. After running her hands up and down in front of PBN’s
face, just to be sure she isn’t faking the blindness, Graciela tells her that
if she really wants to help her, she can. She needs to talk to Montserrat, to
see her. Will Nadia plead for her pardon with Montserrat? It is the only way
she can die in peace. Nadia promises, “ Si, Doña Graciela.” PBN is such a patsy.
Jose Luis is visiting with EZ
Basurto. Basurto thanks hi for calming down Carlota. JL reminds EZ that he once
had told him that Pedro Medina and El Alacran were the same person. “I lied,”
confesses EZ. “El Alacran is the right hand of Pedro Medina.”
JL wants to know—who is El
Alacran? EZ won’t tell him. But Pedro Medina is alive, that is the only
explanation for all that has occurred.
JL warns Basurto that he should be very careful of what he says and to
whom he speaks. If El Alacran is a close associate of Pedro, then word could
get back to Pedro and BANG, EZ would be dead.
EZ pulls out his gun and slaps it on the desk. JL is not going to help
EZ if he won’t tell him the identity of El Alacran. Good Night. EZ looks shaken
and stirred.
Vapid Victor and Dim are
talking. Nadia is worried about her brother. Pedro will be after all of them.
Dim points out that Adolfo will not accept protection.
Dim visits his dying Mother
and she manages to cajole a hug and a kiss from him.
Refu visits JL. They share a
bottle of mescalito. JL tells Refu that El Alacran and Pedro Medina are not the
same person. EZ Basurto just confessed to him that he lied about that. They
agree not to talk about work. Refu wants a favor from JL. He wants JL to
investigate Erik. JL agrees to do this. JL wants a favor from Refu. He wants
Refu to alibi him. He wants Refu to swear that he was with JL this morning at
the office. Refu reluctantly agrees.
Maria visits Esme. Maria
wants to dance again.
Carlota visits her husband in
his study. He tells her he is going to pull out of the race for Governor.
Carlota is shocked, No! But EZ interrupts his wife’s objections.
“Our lives are in danger,
Carlota. You do not understand! Pedro Medina is alive and he won’t rest until
he kills us!”
Alejandro, Dimitrio and
Victor come to visit Jose Luis. Jose Luis supposes that they are there to
discuss Montserrat’s foolishness—she believes he caused her car accident. But
that cannot be true. He puts his arm over Refu’s shoulder. They were together at his office, right? But
Refu wants to know about the accident. When Ale and Dimitrio tell him what has
happened he is appalled. He refuses to lie for his old friend, Creepy Stalker
JL. No, he was not with Jose Luis this morning at his office.
EZ Basurto walks into a room
in his house to find Pedro Medina, holding Carlota, with a gun to her head.
“Buenos Noches, Ezekiel.”
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Comments:
If Carlota survives Pedro's gun to her head, she needs to head back to that weight loss clinic that the writers presented as a PSA quite a while back. I thought that that PSA signaled that Carlota was going to lose weight as the novela went on and set an example for all.
Instead she is bigger than ever, bigger than Queen Latifah, even.
Elna June:
In your well-presented and thought-out prologue, you presented a fantastic summary of the trials and tribulations of the current drug war, cartels, and everyday citizens of these drug-infested countries (Mexico, Central, South America, etc.). I loved your question to each one of us about how we would react if we were living under the same circumstances.
This may be well off the blogger comment path, but my husband and I, plus our newborn daughter, lived through the Somoza dictatorship in Nicaragua and the following Sandinista civil war which killed so many innocent people. Therefore, I really can relate to this question, as the Somoza family owned a very small percentage of the Inter-Continental Hotel in Managua where my husband worked and where we actually lived. The Sandinista used the Hotel to launch missiles and bazookas toward the neighboring army barracks and presidential palace. We feared for our lives, and my daughter and I slept many nights in the hotel bathroom bathtub.
Baby formula for our daughter was dependent on the personal airplane flights of the Somoza family back and forth from Managua to Miami, as reliable baby formula wasn’t sold in Managua after the earthquake which killed almost 20,000+ people and only a few buildings were left standing—one of which was the Los Angeles earthquake-resistant design of the Inter-Continental Hotel, constructed on Teflon plates and springs.
So we had to turn our heads to so many injustices in order to survive ourselves and finally get the hell out of this horrendous country and personal experience; and then we were on our way to drug infested Cali, Colombia. We literally went from one kind of hell to another. But as in Agua Azul, who could we report these atrocities to: corruption was everywhere and no one would have done a thing to change the system until the guerillas and/or Sandinistas started their thing.
Agua Azul is peaceful in comparison!
Agua Azul and its corrupt officials clearly point out the problem through the evil and corrupt acts of some of the characters. For instance, MDA has gone from a somewhat upstanding, noble (if you think trying to steal someone else’s wife is noble) guy to a fanatic, crazy, selfish, and corrupt police chief.
Your insight into this dreadful plight was enlightening and meaningful to read and digest. True this novela has dragged on far, far too long and seems to have gotten stupider and stupider, as it goes along to the final. Some of the storylines are just too much filler material for me; and there are too many storylines going on at the same time. And really, can’t Adolfo, the pro-assassin, learn to kill someone with accuracy!
Refugio thinks he saved Esme by asking that she quit her work at La Escondida? He is still the same selfish bastard, as always, thinking only about himself and not what makes his wife happy (even if some bloggers disagree with Esme’s career choice).
Now MDA takes to hiding in the back seat of Monse’s van. I thought he was creepy in last night’s episode but now this takes the cake! How much more can the writers come up with for him?
Oh how I wished that Ale had dunked Maria and all (wig) in the swimming pool.
I’m still confused about the whole “who’s helping Peddy thing”, it seems to be Maria, but I have my doubts.
And Victor, Dim, and Ale can just barge into MDA’s house without a key? Bravo Refugio! The blinders and finally off and you see MDA for what he really is—a lying scumbag.
At first I thought that I might join the Crackpot Theorists table to believe that Gracie was faking her illness, but after reading what Carlos wrote, now I really confused and don’t know which way the wind blows.
Again, thank you for all your greatly appreciated work and for recapping so delightfully such a boring episode. Let’s get to the El Fin, pretty please!
Maricruz and Urban:
I think as citizens of the US and immigrants, as well, we should be dully thankful that, as messed up as some think our country to be, we should all the grateful that we live in peace and relative prosperity with our destiny in the hands of others and not left up to corruption, class status, and the evilness of others.
I thank God every day that we live in a democracy that is relatively balanced (at times).
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Loved the recap so much more than this episode. Thanks, Elna June. "Gaslighting" was the perfect descriptor. Makes me want to see the movie again.
I only hope Carlota does not suffer at Pedro's hand. Can't somebody just put a bullet in his head already?
I am ready for the big FIN. Maybe pizza on the Patio will help tonight's episode.
Jarifa
I only hope Carlota does not suffer at Pedro's hand. Can't somebody just put a bullet in his head already?
I am ready for the big FIN. Maybe pizza on the Patio will help tonight's episode.
Jarifa
Permalink posted by 
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 7:40:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 7:40:00 AM EDT
"The stink of corruptions rides on the night breeze in Aguazul along with humidity and the smell of the sea. It is inescapable."
Way to go, Elna June. And I enjoyed your theme of war and how people will stoop to the lowest of behaviors just to survive. Underneath the glitz, the lovely ocean and palm trees, the exquisite homes, etc. there is a war going on indeed.
Some other quips and observations I enjoyed:
Maria continues to give new meaning to BSC.
PBN is such a patsy. [Alas, I would have fallen for Graciela's BS as well. Color me Patsy Two]
EZ looks shaken and stirred [Well, hello Agent 007!]
Anyway, loved your recap and love Jarifa's suggestion of Pizza on the Patio. TGIF for us!!!!
Way to go, Elna June. And I enjoyed your theme of war and how people will stoop to the lowest of behaviors just to survive. Underneath the glitz, the lovely ocean and palm trees, the exquisite homes, etc. there is a war going on indeed.
Some other quips and observations I enjoyed:
Maria continues to give new meaning to BSC.
PBN is such a patsy. [Alas, I would have fallen for Graciela's BS as well. Color me Patsy Two]
EZ looks shaken and stirred [Well, hello Agent 007!]
Anyway, loved your recap and love Jarifa's suggestion of Pizza on the Patio. TGIF for us!!!!
Excellent assessment, EJ. War is a thing that provokes desperation.
However, I think that MDA is now more obsessed with gaslighting Monserrat than he is with the pursuit of justice.
Kudos to Refugio for refusing to go along with that.
Maria had stripped down to her lingerie. I am still wondering if she is as delusional as she seems or if it's a tactic in case she gets arrested.
Macario is displaying jealousy and too bad so sad. He kept too many things from Dominga for too long.
Dimitrio is just going through the motions with Gracie and I wonder if she realizes it.
However, I think that MDA is now more obsessed with gaslighting Monserrat than he is with the pursuit of justice.
Kudos to Refugio for refusing to go along with that.
Maria had stripped down to her lingerie. I am still wondering if she is as delusional as she seems or if it's a tactic in case she gets arrested.
Macario is displaying jealousy and too bad so sad. He kept too many things from Dominga for too long.
Dimitrio is just going through the motions with Gracie and I wonder if she realizes it.
Elna June, tone, mood, humor, creativity all blended to create the perfect concoction. Not too sweet, not too tart. Smooth and silky. An absolute pleasure to read.
I think you volunteered because you are part of an amazing team who were born to recap and kind enough to do so.
You have now made me forget that I wasted an hour of my life last night which I will be unable to retrieve! :) Thank you.
Judy, you noted some of my favorites too (as always). A few more are: "At best, we resort to creative fabrication and humor; at worst we devolve into cynical and edgy observations that are often fueled by a tinge of self-loathing", "sheer telenovela dreck" and "Alejandro buys Montserrat a brand new plain vanilla white Toyota minivan".
"Gaslighting" was pure inspiration.
I am still trying to comprehend the death toll statistics. I must rather ashamedly admit, I had absolutely no idea of the sheer numbers. Terrifying and sickening.
I still do not understand why Adolfo does not just shoot Pedro. Well, I suppose I should say, shoot him again. But this time, in the head with a second shot for good measure. I don't know of anyone who would seek retribution, but know of many who would be thrilled to be able to finally live their lives without fear. What am I missing??
These people have the worst security guards. Ever. How is it that Pedro is able to gain entry whereever he chooses?
What will EZ do? Jarifa, I think EZ knows that EZ will kill both he and Carlota - it's not an either or. Will someone swoop in and rescue them?
And JL...his planning and processing skills have plummeted. There appears to be little of the intelligent, thoughtful reasoning remaining in his once upon a time astute mind. How far he has fallen. How sad. Please, please, let him do something noble before or as he dies! Madelaine, I am still holding out a tiny drop of hope. For something. Anything.
Graciela will continue to manipulate until the end. I have to begrudingly admire her resolve. And her ruthlessness. Imagine what a formidable person she would have been if she had put her brillant mind to good use.
Elna June, thank you for another fabulous synopsis.
Diana
I think you volunteered because you are part of an amazing team who were born to recap and kind enough to do so.
You have now made me forget that I wasted an hour of my life last night which I will be unable to retrieve! :) Thank you.
Judy, you noted some of my favorites too (as always). A few more are: "At best, we resort to creative fabrication and humor; at worst we devolve into cynical and edgy observations that are often fueled by a tinge of self-loathing", "sheer telenovela dreck" and "Alejandro buys Montserrat a brand new plain vanilla white Toyota minivan".
"Gaslighting" was pure inspiration.
I am still trying to comprehend the death toll statistics. I must rather ashamedly admit, I had absolutely no idea of the sheer numbers. Terrifying and sickening.
I still do not understand why Adolfo does not just shoot Pedro. Well, I suppose I should say, shoot him again. But this time, in the head with a second shot for good measure. I don't know of anyone who would seek retribution, but know of many who would be thrilled to be able to finally live their lives without fear. What am I missing??
These people have the worst security guards. Ever. How is it that Pedro is able to gain entry whereever he chooses?
What will EZ do? Jarifa, I think EZ knows that EZ will kill both he and Carlota - it's not an either or. Will someone swoop in and rescue them?
And JL...his planning and processing skills have plummeted. There appears to be little of the intelligent, thoughtful reasoning remaining in his once upon a time astute mind. How far he has fallen. How sad. Please, please, let him do something noble before or as he dies! Madelaine, I am still holding out a tiny drop of hope. For something. Anything.
Graciela will continue to manipulate until the end. I have to begrudingly admire her resolve. And her ruthlessness. Imagine what a formidable person she would have been if she had put her brillant mind to good use.
Elna June, thank you for another fabulous synopsis.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 8:19:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 8:19:00 AM EDT
Pedro will kill both EZ and Carlota. Sorry.
Diana
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 8:21:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 8:21:00 AM EDT
I doubt Pedro will either of them yet,he just wants to torture them,he might have a different "present" for EZ. My guess is Pedro will force EZ to spoil the beans .And i laughed at that picture so much : http://imgur.com/LwbGSNZ ,who is Pedros dentist? Its a definetly great picture to say "Good Night"!
I cant help but laugh at the recent Maria scenes,she sure loves being the societies pest! Ale was like "Can you GTFO of my pool please,dont you see that i am making swimming history here?!"
I found the Jl scenes to be quite annoying though,his antics are just terrible,what if he accidently killed Monseratt in that car??Then he would be crying to all heavens for forgiveness and venting at life ,yet again.
Adolfo just proved his shooting expertize ,again,why did he not shoot EZ to the head?,What an idiot..It seems that he is only skilled at killing lowlife goons.
I cant help but laugh at the recent Maria scenes,she sure loves being the societies pest! Ale was like "Can you GTFO of my pool please,dont you see that i am making swimming history here?!"
I found the Jl scenes to be quite annoying though,his antics are just terrible,what if he accidently killed Monseratt in that car??Then he would be crying to all heavens for forgiveness and venting at life ,yet again.
Adolfo just proved his shooting expertize ,again,why did he not shoot EZ to the head?,What an idiot..It seems that he is only skilled at killing lowlife goons.
elna june, this very well thought out and crafted recap will engender excellent conversation. I am sure of it!
There was a scene a few episodes back when Montserrat was crying with Rosario and one other person at her side. It was easy to see that those were real tears. I suspect that this was around the time her mother was in serious condition. The conversation was about mothers. That is about all I remember, but I remember feeling very touched by that moment.
I am stunned; absolutely stunned that Refoolio did not back up the filthy, dirty, scumbag known as JL. I am really astounded at to what depths this man has tumbled.
I have many thoughts, dear elna june, but don't want to write them on the fly. Work calls as usual. More later.
Fatima
Member, Crackpot Theorists™
There was a scene a few episodes back when Montserrat was crying with Rosario and one other person at her side. It was easy to see that those were real tears. I suspect that this was around the time her mother was in serious condition. The conversation was about mothers. That is about all I remember, but I remember feeling very touched by that moment.
I am stunned; absolutely stunned that Refoolio did not back up the filthy, dirty, scumbag known as JL. I am really astounded at to what depths this man has tumbled.
I have many thoughts, dear elna june, but don't want to write them on the fly. Work calls as usual. More later.
Fatima
Member, Crackpot Theorists™
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:11:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:11:00 AM EDT
UA, it was certainly not a spoiler.
I am well acquainted with the rules. Supposition only.
Diana
I am well acquainted with the rules. Supposition only.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:19:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:19:00 AM EDT
I corrected "I think EZ knows that EZ will kill both he and Carlota - it's not an either or" to "Pedro will kill both EZ and Carlota. Sorry."
I was clarifying I meant Pedro, not EZ.
No chastisment necessary.
Diane
I was clarifying I meant Pedro, not EZ.
No chastisment necessary.
Diane
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:21:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:21:00 AM EDT
What a marvelous recap! It ties the plot to the current societal degradation and is almost apocalyptic. This entire telenovela is a metaphor, and, Elna june, you have captured that beautifully !
EJ, our gratitude for an amazing recap out of, well as you so brilliantly put it, re-crap. How obvious that this is dragging because of the insistence to extend. I think some of this was filmed prior to Boyer's mother's passing, more because of the World Cup, but for whatever reason, it's almost not worth the effort to keep the TV on.
Your assessment of the reality of life that could be AquaAzul was perfection. And I think this TN does successfully show the possibility of how corruption has very much invaded some of the cities and locales of the country. Sad to know that this isn't all plot contrivance or something based on a long-ago age.
But you hit the nail on the head that how even the "good" guys in this TN are far from likable most of the time. Maybe that's the reality too--forced to become almost as bad as their conniving counterparts to protect and survive. Adolfo is the one character who brings this very much to life. Throw in cowardly to just not buck the system, and you have a strong portrayal of trying to straddle both worlds that is their daily existent. He reminds me of gang members who tell of how hard it is to escape the membership once in if you stay in the area.
But that said, gives no excuse to the type of antics we are seeing out of JL, or the flat out insanity of Pedro. Gaslighting--how perfect! For that scheme, only moment I could have gotten interested enough to throw something at the screen in hope of ending his sorry puss ever showing again. Hat's off to Refugio for not deciding to back his sorry tale. That may have been the first time I actually liked the guy.
Thank goodness for our patio of dedicated recappers and patient viewers who are trying to stick this out to the end. Pizza for everyone indeed ( and maybe a few margarita's--- I think we need the pain killer.)
Off to do some packing--check in later to add a little more two-cents.
Daisynjay
Your assessment of the reality of life that could be AquaAzul was perfection. And I think this TN does successfully show the possibility of how corruption has very much invaded some of the cities and locales of the country. Sad to know that this isn't all plot contrivance or something based on a long-ago age.
But you hit the nail on the head that how even the "good" guys in this TN are far from likable most of the time. Maybe that's the reality too--forced to become almost as bad as their conniving counterparts to protect and survive. Adolfo is the one character who brings this very much to life. Throw in cowardly to just not buck the system, and you have a strong portrayal of trying to straddle both worlds that is their daily existent. He reminds me of gang members who tell of how hard it is to escape the membership once in if you stay in the area.
But that said, gives no excuse to the type of antics we are seeing out of JL, or the flat out insanity of Pedro. Gaslighting--how perfect! For that scheme, only moment I could have gotten interested enough to throw something at the screen in hope of ending his sorry puss ever showing again. Hat's off to Refugio for not deciding to back his sorry tale. That may have been the first time I actually liked the guy.
Thank goodness for our patio of dedicated recappers and patient viewers who are trying to stick this out to the end. Pizza for everyone indeed ( and maybe a few margarita's--- I think we need the pain killer.)
Off to do some packing--check in later to add a little more two-cents.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:23:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:23:00 AM EDT
Elna June, in one of my favorite EVER children's book, this line is repeated throughout: "Wow. That was just about all she could say was WOW." Well that is how I felt about this recap. If ONLY the writers of these TN's could write as well as our recappers! Really, you blew my mind. I mean, I'm no critic, but I play one on tv. Grin. ;)
Now, about this show.
So Maricruz seems to have been the one to call it-- surely Dona Moneybags Gaudencia Jimenez is faking. I hope Dim comes through with the second opinion, but might I say the doctor didn't give a HINT that he was paid off did he?!
I spent last night trying to figure out who would go down last. Seems it's always the uber villian, but in this case, just who would that be? Pedro? GJ? MDA? or Maria?
Maria helping Pedro, hmmmmm?! I love the way the only thing she remembers about Adolfo is that he had "no problem" pulling the trigger to kill her. For all his faults (blindness to the total evil that is Maria being one of them) Adolfo went to great lengths to repay that debt to Maria. But she doesn't give a hoot. So can someone tell me, the weird "I am Montserrat" thing she's doing-- is that something you guys think Pedro has her doing? Or did she make that up all on her own?
Re Pedro and Carlotta and EZ I think he kills no one tonight. Maybe he sends EZ to kill Fofito? I know we are in ultimas semanas, but I can't believe that Tia C or EZ are going to die yet.... but what do I know, I'm still a relative TNewbie.
YEAH Refugio! I'm glad he is finding and staying true to himself.
Gotta run!
Now, about this show.
So Maricruz seems to have been the one to call it-- surely Dona Moneybags Gaudencia Jimenez is faking. I hope Dim comes through with the second opinion, but might I say the doctor didn't give a HINT that he was paid off did he?!
I spent last night trying to figure out who would go down last. Seems it's always the uber villian, but in this case, just who would that be? Pedro? GJ? MDA? or Maria?
Maria helping Pedro, hmmmmm?! I love the way the only thing she remembers about Adolfo is that he had "no problem" pulling the trigger to kill her. For all his faults (blindness to the total evil that is Maria being one of them) Adolfo went to great lengths to repay that debt to Maria. But she doesn't give a hoot. So can someone tell me, the weird "I am Montserrat" thing she's doing-- is that something you guys think Pedro has her doing? Or did she make that up all on her own?
Re Pedro and Carlotta and EZ I think he kills no one tonight. Maybe he sends EZ to kill Fofito? I know we are in ultimas semanas, but I can't believe that Tia C or EZ are going to die yet.... but what do I know, I'm still a relative TNewbie.
YEAH Refugio! I'm glad he is finding and staying true to himself.
Gotta run!
Rebecca, Maria made that up all on her own. It seemed to begin when she put on the blonde wig to dance at La Escondida and failed to seduce Alejandro. However, it actually started in Episode 113 when she visited JL in prison (first time we saw the long straight wig).
She did that to play with his head, which was a distraction from what she told him. She told him that Pedro had a price tag on Monserrat's head. Pedro actually had no reason for that and without this distraction JL would have had the brain space to realize that. There was a warrant out for Alejandro's arrest on false murder and fraud charges. He was already on the run and might have gotten away. Her real goal was to get him to kill Pedro (who had abused her) while she killed Monserrat.
Which might have worked if her aim hadn't been off.
She did that to play with his head, which was a distraction from what she told him. She told him that Pedro had a price tag on Monserrat's head. Pedro actually had no reason for that and without this distraction JL would have had the brain space to realize that. There was a warrant out for Alejandro's arrest on false murder and fraud charges. He was already on the run and might have gotten away. Her real goal was to get him to kill Pedro (who had abused her) while she killed Monserrat.
Which might have worked if her aim hadn't been off.
The reason why I think Gaudencia is faking it: It was a diversion so that the con of massive proportions she pulled on Fabiola could be deflected.
Fabiola was no great shakes, but was Gaudencia perpetrated on this lost soul defies description.
Notice, no one; not one single person has called Gaudencia to task on this. Granted, Alejandro said she could have his money, but in the real world, what Gaudencia did is a crime.
I also believe that Gaudencia has her venganza for other issues which we may not know until the very end. I honestly don't know that they are, but there are more issues at stake here which are the driving force behind what I believe to be her ultimate con.
Now, if I could only figure out what it is!
So, Rebecca, are you going to be a new member at "The Graciela is Faking It" table?
Fatima
Member, Crackpot Theorists™
Fabiola was no great shakes, but was Gaudencia perpetrated on this lost soul defies description.
Notice, no one; not one single person has called Gaudencia to task on this. Granted, Alejandro said she could have his money, but in the real world, what Gaudencia did is a crime.
I also believe that Gaudencia has her venganza for other issues which we may not know until the very end. I honestly don't know that they are, but there are more issues at stake here which are the driving force behind what I believe to be her ultimate con.
Now, if I could only figure out what it is!
So, Rebecca, are you going to be a new member at "The Graciela is Faking It" table?
Fatima
Member, Crackpot Theorists™
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:54:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:54:00 AM EDT
*but what Gaudencia perpetrated....
Fatima
Member, Crackpot Theorists™
Fatima
Member, Crackpot Theorists™
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:55:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:55:00 AM EDT
Dear Diana
In the Department of For What it's Worth:
When I read your second comment, I knew immediately that you were just clarifying something you had written above. I'm very sorry you had a bad moment.
It may not be so easy to tell who the 'good guys' are in Aguazul, but it is and has always been abundantly clear that you are one of the good guys (if not the best 'guy') around here. I know you would never spoil anyone else's enjoyment -- such as it is -- of the story.
(I'm sure Urban meant no offense. We have all been a little skittish lately.)
In the Department of For What it's Worth:
When I read your second comment, I knew immediately that you were just clarifying something you had written above. I'm very sorry you had a bad moment.
It may not be so easy to tell who the 'good guys' are in Aguazul, but it is and has always been abundantly clear that you are one of the good guys (if not the best 'guy') around here. I know you would never spoil anyone else's enjoyment -- such as it is -- of the story.
(I'm sure Urban meant no offense. We have all been a little skittish lately.)
Elna:
This whole recap is superb and way better than the episode was. I liked the whole prologue and how true it is!
I have to give kudos to the writers of this show too. I know this is a lot of filler, but they do throw in so many twists and turns, it's amazing. And information drop by drop. They manage to surprise us every episode.
Now to my favorite character JL. He is gaslighting Monse, is it right, no! Where were the Marina, Dimi's men, when JL snuck into the back of that van? Look how easy it was for JL to sneak into that back seat. Besides gaslighting Monse, I think he was trying to show her, how easy it would be for Peddy or one his men to get into that back seat without her seeing them/him hence the remark about their daughter Romi. JL went too far this time and I think he was genuinely remorseful when he realized what he had done. Trying to get Refug to lie for him, not good either. I'm glad Refug didn't do it.
The reason I am constantly defending JL is that the character is a PROTAGONIST! He was not cast as a villain. I have to say JL is the most complex character on this show. Is he truly evil? I think not. His behavior right now with Monse is not right at all. He should have taken the high road, but Ale and Monse didn't take the high road when Ale came back from Argentina. This is the root of JL's problem with them. Massive lack of trust. JL doesn't trust either of them. They said he would be able to see Romina, but he doesn't trust them. Even if JL had taken the high road, Ale's jealousy would have created problems. Add to that the constant threat of Peddy, and I can see how JL started to let his bad judgment overcome his basic good judgment. Just my crackpot theory. I am after all a optimist. Keep the faith Diana!
As far as Gracie this episode, constantly waving her hand in front of PBN, I wish Nadia had grabbed her hand, ha! I still think that Gracie is faking.
Esme and Eric, hmmmm..... I noticed after Eric stopped singing that Angel wasn't anywhere! Where did Angel go? We see a big crowd of people clapping, Dominga and Mac and Esme and Eric and no Angel!
I too can't figure out why Addled didn't go for the head shot! I had to laugh, sorry, when Addled and Fina were watching TV and found out that EZ wasn't dead. Addled's face was priceless, like oh, crap!
Peddy now, truly evil, I have no doubt! I hate, hate, hate, how he said Fina was ugly! All I gotta says is Peddy, have you looked in a mirror lately, Hmmmm..... Jus' sayin'!
This whole recap is superb and way better than the episode was. I liked the whole prologue and how true it is!
I have to give kudos to the writers of this show too. I know this is a lot of filler, but they do throw in so many twists and turns, it's amazing. And information drop by drop. They manage to surprise us every episode.
Now to my favorite character JL. He is gaslighting Monse, is it right, no! Where were the Marina, Dimi's men, when JL snuck into the back of that van? Look how easy it was for JL to sneak into that back seat. Besides gaslighting Monse, I think he was trying to show her, how easy it would be for Peddy or one his men to get into that back seat without her seeing them/him hence the remark about their daughter Romi. JL went too far this time and I think he was genuinely remorseful when he realized what he had done. Trying to get Refug to lie for him, not good either. I'm glad Refug didn't do it.
The reason I am constantly defending JL is that the character is a PROTAGONIST! He was not cast as a villain. I have to say JL is the most complex character on this show. Is he truly evil? I think not. His behavior right now with Monse is not right at all. He should have taken the high road, but Ale and Monse didn't take the high road when Ale came back from Argentina. This is the root of JL's problem with them. Massive lack of trust. JL doesn't trust either of them. They said he would be able to see Romina, but he doesn't trust them. Even if JL had taken the high road, Ale's jealousy would have created problems. Add to that the constant threat of Peddy, and I can see how JL started to let his bad judgment overcome his basic good judgment. Just my crackpot theory. I am after all a optimist. Keep the faith Diana!
As far as Gracie this episode, constantly waving her hand in front of PBN, I wish Nadia had grabbed her hand, ha! I still think that Gracie is faking.
Esme and Eric, hmmmm..... I noticed after Eric stopped singing that Angel wasn't anywhere! Where did Angel go? We see a big crowd of people clapping, Dominga and Mac and Esme and Eric and no Angel!
I too can't figure out why Addled didn't go for the head shot! I had to laugh, sorry, when Addled and Fina were watching TV and found out that EZ wasn't dead. Addled's face was priceless, like oh, crap!
Peddy now, truly evil, I have no doubt! I hate, hate, hate, how he said Fina was ugly! All I gotta says is Peddy, have you looked in a mirror lately, Hmmmm..... Jus' sayin'!
Elna June- You are the best in turning a dull or dumb episode into a thoughtful exercise. Thank you for bringing home some of the hard truths about Mexico's real current deadly war on drugs.
As for the episode, I saw the last few minutes. I am so glad Refugio didn't back JL up, but I am not surprised. Refugio may be foolish, jealous, and loyal, but he's never been mean spirited or crazy. No way would he alibi JL after hearing what he did to Monse. What I do find unbelievable is what the writers have done to JL. This whole custody, gaslighting, stalking plot line smacks of tn extension to me, and doesn't ring true for the character or for the general story arc of the tn.
As for the episode, I saw the last few minutes. I am so glad Refugio didn't back JL up, but I am not surprised. Refugio may be foolish, jealous, and loyal, but he's never been mean spirited or crazy. No way would he alibi JL after hearing what he did to Monse. What I do find unbelievable is what the writers have done to JL. This whole custody, gaslighting, stalking plot line smacks of tn extension to me, and doesn't ring true for the character or for the general story arc of the tn.
Madelaine, I assumed that when Gaudy was waving her hands in front of Nadia it was so she could study how to fake blindness.
I also noticed the missing bebe when Esme and Eric were having their moment. I thought I heard Esme tell him to watch the boy while she collected $ and thought that this would be the moment. I figured while she was mooning over Eric, little Angel had wandered off and that this would be the beginning of the end of that twosome. BUT I guess I was wrong!
I also noticed the missing bebe when Esme and Eric were having their moment. I thought I heard Esme tell him to watch the boy while she collected $ and thought that this would be the moment. I figured while she was mooning over Eric, little Angel had wandered off and that this would be the beginning of the end of that twosome. BUT I guess I was wrong!
Dear Elna June,
What a marvelous and thoughtful analysis of what we have known from early on to be a very subversive story indeed.
"Each of the main characters has suffered major losses, but each of them still starts the story with a lingering belief in ‘justice’, which is absolutely contrary to their personal experience."
And yes, we see how each reacts within the moral siege of Aguazul. Corrupt heads have rolled only to be replaced by even more corrupt heads. Young adults have chosen up sides and now there is, in a sense, a war of brother against brother.
Maybe this parable will have a hopeful ending. Maybe evil in Aguazul will be defeated and power will be returned to the usual mix of the bumbling, the ambitious, and the idealistic found in governments of the people all over the world.
Regardless of how the parable ends, it has been responsible for inspiring your compassionate, astutely reasoned and beautifully composed essays in this space reserved for 'recaps.' So I am grateful to it -- and to you.
Thank you, Elna June. I feel better just knowing you're out there. I'm rolling my EZ-come EZ-go chair up to your table on the Patio even as I write these words. It's time to come out of the Bunker!
What a marvelous and thoughtful analysis of what we have known from early on to be a very subversive story indeed.
"Each of the main characters has suffered major losses, but each of them still starts the story with a lingering belief in ‘justice’, which is absolutely contrary to their personal experience."
And yes, we see how each reacts within the moral siege of Aguazul. Corrupt heads have rolled only to be replaced by even more corrupt heads. Young adults have chosen up sides and now there is, in a sense, a war of brother against brother.
Maybe this parable will have a hopeful ending. Maybe evil in Aguazul will be defeated and power will be returned to the usual mix of the bumbling, the ambitious, and the idealistic found in governments of the people all over the world.
Regardless of how the parable ends, it has been responsible for inspiring your compassionate, astutely reasoned and beautifully composed essays in this space reserved for 'recaps.' So I am grateful to it -- and to you.
Thank you, Elna June. I feel better just knowing you're out there. I'm rolling my EZ-come EZ-go chair up to your table on the Patio even as I write these words. It's time to come out of the Bunker!
Madelaine,re Adolfo i think it is because Adolfo has a fear of doing headshots,ever since he shot Monica ,he has developed a trauma.But when Adolfo failed to kill EZ i screamed inside of myself " Stupid,moron,idiot,mugroso,inutil" as hard as i could! For being an assasin for 10 whole years i expected more of his assasination skills.. He should take shooting lessons from Macario!
And i wonder does Aguazul now have a new Admiral after the death of Robledo? If yes ,why isnt he helping with the investigation,does he have something to hide ? And how was Dimitrio promoted with Robledos absence,you cant just upgrade your rank by yourself..
And i wonder does Aguazul now have a new Admiral after the death of Robledo? If yes ,why isnt he helping with the investigation,does he have something to hide ? And how was Dimitrio promoted with Robledos absence,you cant just upgrade your rank by yourself..
Thank you NovelaMaven.
Please excuse my outburst. I know I was being overly sensitive.
I have no excuse other than that I am exhausted due to a health scare this week (which thankfully has been resolved).
You are and have always been exceedingly kind and caring.
Thanks for your calming words. They are appreciated more than you know.
Diana
Please excuse my outburst. I know I was being overly sensitive.
I have no excuse other than that I am exhausted due to a health scare this week (which thankfully has been resolved).
You are and have always been exceedingly kind and caring.
Thanks for your calming words. They are appreciated more than you know.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 10:43:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 10:43:00 AM EDT
Whether she is faking it or not, Gracie's ultimate con will not be about money. It's to bleed her children's emotions dry. She is an emotional vampire, like all narcissists.
She will try to leave them so emotionally drained there will be nothing left for Alejandro, the kids, and Josefina (or whoever Dim is meant to end up with).
As to whether the illness is a con, something just occurred to me: There were medical cons before, but we never saw the doctors, nurses, or lab techs involved. We did see this doctor. Did Dim mention the second opinion option to him? If so, I would remember any objection he would have had.
She will try to leave them so emotionally drained there will be nothing left for Alejandro, the kids, and Josefina (or whoever Dim is meant to end up with).
As to whether the illness is a con, something just occurred to me: There were medical cons before, but we never saw the doctors, nurses, or lab techs involved. We did see this doctor. Did Dim mention the second opinion option to him? If so, I would remember any objection he would have had.
Elna June, your recap was great. "Perhaps Graciela Mendoza’s oft repeated dicho, “Te falta Dios!” is not entirely supposed to refer to the person she is insulting. Could it also obliquely refer to the terrible predicament—The Drug War—within which some of Mexico’s people find themselves?" I think that is an awesome point and question. It really makes sense and is appropriate. Are the writers of this telenovela that clever to propogate such an indictment?
"But Refu wants to know about the accident. When Ale and Dimitrio tell him what has happened he is appalled. He refuses to lie for his old friend, Creepy Stalker JL." In my opinion, Refugio finally made a smart and clearheaded decision.
"Maria had stripped down to her lingerie. I am still wondering if she is as delusional as she seems or if it's a tactic in case she gets arrested." Urban, that is an interesting thought and would be a really good tactic.
"Esme and Eric, hmmmm..... I noticed after Eric stopped singing that Angel wasn't anywhere! Where did Angel go? We see a big crowd of people clapping, Dominga and Mac and Esme and Eric and no Angel!" Madelaine, I noticed this too!!!! I kept wondering where Angel was and why nobody noticed that he was missing. Grrr! That really bothered me.
So, when Pedro came into Adolfo's house I was wondering why he didn't just shoot Pedro right then and there. Did he not have a rifle in his hand at the moment? I thought he did. Was the rifle not loaded? Was he so distraught after he "thought" he had "killed" EZ that he couldn't kill again? Boo and hiss, Fofito. Tu eres el alacran? En serio? I love this tortured soul but what a mess he is in!
So, I feel like ever since Fabiola's unfortunate demise there have been many episodes where I am covering my mouth in shock and awe. Last night it was the ending where Pedro had the gun to Carlota's head. Ay de mi!
I look forward tonight.
Caryn
"But Refu wants to know about the accident. When Ale and Dimitrio tell him what has happened he is appalled. He refuses to lie for his old friend, Creepy Stalker JL." In my opinion, Refugio finally made a smart and clearheaded decision.
"Maria had stripped down to her lingerie. I am still wondering if she is as delusional as she seems or if it's a tactic in case she gets arrested." Urban, that is an interesting thought and would be a really good tactic.
"Esme and Eric, hmmmm..... I noticed after Eric stopped singing that Angel wasn't anywhere! Where did Angel go? We see a big crowd of people clapping, Dominga and Mac and Esme and Eric and no Angel!" Madelaine, I noticed this too!!!! I kept wondering where Angel was and why nobody noticed that he was missing. Grrr! That really bothered me.
So, when Pedro came into Adolfo's house I was wondering why he didn't just shoot Pedro right then and there. Did he not have a rifle in his hand at the moment? I thought he did. Was the rifle not loaded? Was he so distraught after he "thought" he had "killed" EZ that he couldn't kill again? Boo and hiss, Fofito. Tu eres el alacran? En serio? I love this tortured soul but what a mess he is in!
So, I feel like ever since Fabiola's unfortunate demise there have been many episodes where I am covering my mouth in shock and awe. Last night it was the ending where Pedro had the gun to Carlota's head. Ay de mi!
I look forward tonight.
Caryn
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 11:02:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 11:02:00 AM EDT
Elna June,
You recap was pure brilliance. I loved how you positioned the show within the context of Mexico's drug war because it provided insights into each character that I had not considered before.
Even though you are wondering why you volunteered as a recapper, I am thankful that you take the effort to write. You're transforming drivel into art.
I'm so tired of María and JL. Their craziness needs to go away. How did Pedro get past the security into EZ's house? Apparently, he can walk through walls.
The show should have ended 80 episodes ago. Amor Real had only 95 episodes; Bodas de Odio was just 75 episodes long. The extension has destroyed characters like JL as well as rendered Pedro ridiculous. His evil deeds are really getting on my nerves. Somebody with better aim needs to shoot him.
Thanks again, Elna June!
You recap was pure brilliance. I loved how you positioned the show within the context of Mexico's drug war because it provided insights into each character that I had not considered before.
Even though you are wondering why you volunteered as a recapper, I am thankful that you take the effort to write. You're transforming drivel into art.
I'm so tired of María and JL. Their craziness needs to go away. How did Pedro get past the security into EZ's house? Apparently, he can walk through walls.
The show should have ended 80 episodes ago. Amor Real had only 95 episodes; Bodas de Odio was just 75 episodes long. The extension has destroyed characters like JL as well as rendered Pedro ridiculous. His evil deeds are really getting on my nerves. Somebody with better aim needs to shoot him.
Thanks again, Elna June!
Good Morning, faithful readers. It is I, your furry-eyed recapper!
ITA, Jarifa with your plea regarding Pedro;
"Can't somebody just put a bullet in his head already?"
Pedro's character has turned into a mustachio twisting, cape swirling villain. I really did not need to see Sendel play it so over the top last night. Good grief with the head pats and facial tics.
Enough, Sergio, enough. Pedro has eaten up enough scenery in this TN! Give it a rest with the teeth baring "mis ordenes" comments.
We did learn last night that Sergio is not sporting fake whites on his teeth—his canines are yellow compared to the rest of his teeth.
My Dear JudyB: "Underneath the glitz, the lovely ocean and palm trees, the exquisite homes, etc. there is a war going on indeed."
Thank you for this astute comment. It really summarizes the situation in Mexico. I love the country and I feel so sad for what is happening there.
And you are no patsy, m'dear!
Pizza, Pizza, Pizza! Pizza on the Patio!
Thanks, Urban, for your fulsome compliment. An 'excellent' from you is praise indeed!
I agree, Dimitrio is just going through the motions with his mother.
EJ
ITA, Jarifa with your plea regarding Pedro;
"Can't somebody just put a bullet in his head already?"
Pedro's character has turned into a mustachio twisting, cape swirling villain. I really did not need to see Sendel play it so over the top last night. Good grief with the head pats and facial tics.
Enough, Sergio, enough. Pedro has eaten up enough scenery in this TN! Give it a rest with the teeth baring "mis ordenes" comments.
We did learn last night that Sergio is not sporting fake whites on his teeth—his canines are yellow compared to the rest of his teeth.
My Dear JudyB: "Underneath the glitz, the lovely ocean and palm trees, the exquisite homes, etc. there is a war going on indeed."
Thank you for this astute comment. It really summarizes the situation in Mexico. I love the country and I feel so sad for what is happening there.
And you are no patsy, m'dear!
Pizza, Pizza, Pizza! Pizza on the Patio!
Thanks, Urban, for your fulsome compliment. An 'excellent' from you is praise indeed!
I agree, Dimitrio is just going through the motions with his mother.
EJ
Diana:
Thank you so much for your comment. "An absolute pleasure to read."
I am so excited to hear you say that. I sometimes worry, now that I cannot read or edit my recaps, that people with be put off by my inconsistencies in punctuation and grammar. How that would have irritated me, back in the day, when such things leapt off the page to grab my attention! Ah, hubris.
It is a comfort to know that my unpolished first draft was a pleasure to read. I will bask in the warmth of that comment all week long.
I am so sorry to hear you had a health scare, but I am delighted to hear that it was just a scare. Whew! Know that you are beloved here Diana. Abrazos a ti.
Wow. I had not even thought of the idea that Pedro would kill Carlota, too. Great Crackpot Theeory™!
CountX: This was right on target;
"I found the Jl scenes to be quite annoying though,his antics are just terrible,what if he accidently killed Monseratt in that car??Then he would be crying to all heavens for forgiveness and venting at life ,yet again"
The OLD JL would surely have cried to the heavens about losing Montserrat. New and extended Jose Luis has had a character breakdown. I have no idea of how he would behave. Thanks for commenting.
Fatima! So great to hear from you! I remember the scene you are discussing, but I cannot remember in which capitulo I saw it. You have such a tender and intuitive heart. I think your instincts are right on.
All: What can anyone else remember about the scene that Fatima is describing? I would like to re-watch that scene.
Sandydoc: Thank you so much for your kind words. Yes, I think that there is much that is allegorical in the TN. Novela Maven reminded us early on
of the subversiveness of this novela.
As I wrote in the intro, I think the context within which "Robo" is written is key to the story. Even stretched to the breaking point, we can still see the outlines of a well thought out story. Bravo Adams was a brilliant storyteller.
EJ
Thank you so much for your comment. "An absolute pleasure to read."
I am so excited to hear you say that. I sometimes worry, now that I cannot read or edit my recaps, that people with be put off by my inconsistencies in punctuation and grammar. How that would have irritated me, back in the day, when such things leapt off the page to grab my attention! Ah, hubris.
It is a comfort to know that my unpolished first draft was a pleasure to read. I will bask in the warmth of that comment all week long.
I am so sorry to hear you had a health scare, but I am delighted to hear that it was just a scare. Whew! Know that you are beloved here Diana. Abrazos a ti.
Wow. I had not even thought of the idea that Pedro would kill Carlota, too. Great Crackpot Theeory™!
CountX: This was right on target;
"I found the Jl scenes to be quite annoying though,his antics are just terrible,what if he accidently killed Monseratt in that car??Then he would be crying to all heavens for forgiveness and venting at life ,yet again"
The OLD JL would surely have cried to the heavens about losing Montserrat. New and extended Jose Luis has had a character breakdown. I have no idea of how he would behave. Thanks for commenting.
Fatima! So great to hear from you! I remember the scene you are discussing, but I cannot remember in which capitulo I saw it. You have such a tender and intuitive heart. I think your instincts are right on.
All: What can anyone else remember about the scene that Fatima is describing? I would like to re-watch that scene.
Sandydoc: Thank you so much for your kind words. Yes, I think that there is much that is allegorical in the TN. Novela Maven reminded us early on
of the subversiveness of this novela.
As I wrote in the intro, I think the context within which "Robo" is written is key to the story. Even stretched to the breaking point, we can still see the outlines of a well thought out story. Bravo Adams was a brilliant storyteller.
EJ
Wow, Elna June, what an arresting thought-provoking recap. Clearly you've given a lot of serious consideration to this perilous environment we find ourselves embroiled in with this TN. If you also consider that we have been thrust almost ten years into the future, things appear even that much more bleak and depressing. Not a very hopeful prospect.
Enthusiasm seems to be growing leaps and bounds embracing the theory that Gracie is faking her brain tumor. Count me out. Here are a few reasons I'm not willing to buy in:
We've always known Gracie to be vain and gregarious and yet ever since Fabiola's suicide she's locked herself away, neglected her appearance, and shunned human contact.
She did not initiate her hospitalization willingly (she was discovered unconscious) nor did she willingly participate in the studies which revealed the tumor... remember the struggle she put up over the CT?
Treatment, including surgery and chemotherapy has been recommended. It would be much tidier (if she were faking) if the situation were presented simply as being hopeless.
When Dimitrio asked about a second opinion, the Dr. encouraged it.
I suppose we'll know the truth soon, but I can't see the Gracie that we've come to know taking things in this direction. An incurable illness? Sure. Suffering? Absolutely. Imposing on everyone in sight? Without a doubt. Looking like something the cat dragged in? Nopis. Our Gracie? No way.
Carlos
Enthusiasm seems to be growing leaps and bounds embracing the theory that Gracie is faking her brain tumor. Count me out. Here are a few reasons I'm not willing to buy in:
We've always known Gracie to be vain and gregarious and yet ever since Fabiola's suicide she's locked herself away, neglected her appearance, and shunned human contact.
She did not initiate her hospitalization willingly (she was discovered unconscious) nor did she willingly participate in the studies which revealed the tumor... remember the struggle she put up over the CT?
Treatment, including surgery and chemotherapy has been recommended. It would be much tidier (if she were faking) if the situation were presented simply as being hopeless.
When Dimitrio asked about a second opinion, the Dr. encouraged it.
I suppose we'll know the truth soon, but I can't see the Gracie that we've come to know taking things in this direction. An incurable illness? Sure. Suffering? Absolutely. Imposing on everyone in sight? Without a doubt. Looking like something the cat dragged in? Nopis. Our Gracie? No way.
Carlos
Daisynjay: Amiga: I thank you for your kind words.
Regarding context...
"And I think this TN does successfully show the possibility of how corruption has very much invaded some of the cities and locales of the country. Sad to know that this isn't all plot contrivance or something based on a long-ago age."
What she said!
The statistics are staggering. Regarding the death toll in Mexico due to the Drug War, I actually chose one of the more conservatives estimates for this figure. Some estimates suggest that the figure may be closer to 100,000.
The loss of priests, journalists, teachers, judges and law enforcement—folks who tried to uphold some measure of social order is especially grievous.
Regarding context...
"And I think this TN does successfully show the possibility of how corruption has very much invaded some of the cities and locales of the country. Sad to know that this isn't all plot contrivance or something based on a long-ago age."
What she said!
The statistics are staggering. Regarding the death toll in Mexico due to the Drug War, I actually chose one of the more conservatives estimates for this figure. Some estimates suggest that the figure may be closer to 100,000.
The loss of priests, journalists, teachers, judges and law enforcement—folks who tried to uphold some measure of social order is especially grievous.
(((Elna June)))..let me echo NovelaMaven and say that I am ,glad that you are out there., In fact, I am glad that all of the faithful residents of Caraycaray are "out there." It seems that this is a place where discussing our common human condition is just as important as discussing the latest novela craziness.
(((Diana)))...Let me also echo Novela Maven in her assessment of you as a consistently kind, caring element here. I am so glad that your health scare was just a scare. Life is scary, verdad?
I often remember what my boss told me years ago. Her husband is Mexican, and she said that corruption in Mexico is on all levels of government. Things certainly do not seem to be improving there. Gee, I watch the novelas to escape harsh reality...but sometimes they just seem to reflect what appears to be increasing harshness in the real world.
Anyhoo, as the summer moves on and our personal villain continues to create problems for my family, I often think of all the smart, caring, funny folks here.
As for this novela, the evil just keeps swirling around with very little positivity to balance the bad. I will stick to the end, but it is starting to get me down, so I am surfing in and out most nights.
Well, it is a sunshiny day and the girls are coming over for lunch and swimming before they leave for a week vacation with him. ...a 13 hour trip to the beach...grumble.
(((Diana)))...Let me also echo Novela Maven in her assessment of you as a consistently kind, caring element here. I am so glad that your health scare was just a scare. Life is scary, verdad?
I often remember what my boss told me years ago. Her husband is Mexican, and she said that corruption in Mexico is on all levels of government. Things certainly do not seem to be improving there. Gee, I watch the novelas to escape harsh reality...but sometimes they just seem to reflect what appears to be increasing harshness in the real world.
Anyhoo, as the summer moves on and our personal villain continues to create problems for my family, I often think of all the smart, caring, funny folks here.
As for this novela, the evil just keeps swirling around with very little positivity to balance the bad. I will stick to the end, but it is starting to get me down, so I am surfing in and out most nights.
Well, it is a sunshiny day and the girls are coming over for lunch and swimming before they leave for a week vacation with him. ...a 13 hour trip to the beach...grumble.
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Diana:
I too am glad you are alright! Your voice here adds so much to this blog.
Rebecca:
Good point about Gracie maybe faking blindness! I hadn't thought of that.
Carlos:
Maybe what you say is true about Gaudy, but maybe she was only waving her hand in front of PBN to see what blindness was all about, hmmmmmm.........
I too am glad you are alright! Your voice here adds so much to this blog.
Rebecca:
Good point about Gracie maybe faking blindness! I hadn't thought of that.
Carlos:
Maybe what you say is true about Gaudy, but maybe she was only waving her hand in front of PBN to see what blindness was all about, hmmmmmm.........
Rebecca:
Thank you for your kind words and your humor;
"I mean, I'm no critic, but I play one on tv. Grin. ;). You gave me a giggle.
I do not know who will be the last bad guy standing. I am guessing that it will be Pedro. Someone has the provide high-camp drama and threat to the Protags in the last hours of the TN!
I am joining you and Maricruz, right now, if you will have me, at the Doubting Guadencia table. She took far too much pleasure in recounting to Nadia the ways she was going to suffer before she died.
Great comment;
"Maria helping Pedro, hmmmmm?! I love the way the only thing she remembers about Adolfo is that he had "no problem" pulling the trigger to kill her. For all his faults (blindness to the total evil that is Maria being one of them) Adolfo went to great lengths to repay that debt to Maria."
In answer to your question, I think that Maria is cynically using the idea of mental illness in acting like she believes she is Monserrat.
Thanks so much for commenting.
Fatima:
Great rationale for your Crackpot Theory™! I am running over to your table right now for some Pizza and fantastic creative thinking!
Go, CT™ Table!
Mads: thanks so much for your generous reading of my recap. This whole PP was worthy of a Crackpot Theorist™ badge of honor;
"Now to my favorite character JL. He is gaslighting Monse, is it right, no! Where were the Marina, Dimi's men, when JL snuck into the back of that van? Look how easy it was for JL to sneak into that back seat. Besides gaslighting Monse, I think he was trying to show her, how easy it would be for Peddy or one his men to get into that back seat without her seeing them/him hence the remark about their daughter Romi. JL went too far this time and I think he was genuinely remorseful when he realized what he had done. Trying to get Refug to lie for him, not good either. I'm glad Refug didn't do it."
Man, you are one loyal friend, Mads. I want you in my camp!
Oh, and what happened to little Angel? Great question. Esme has stars in her eyes and isn't minding the home front, I will say. I hated her outfit when she was back at La Escondida. The chain loops over the shoulders...shudder. Really?
Vivi: Thank you so much for coming by! This comment was dead on;
"Refugio may be foolish, jealous, and loyal, but he's never been mean spirited or crazy."
I really hate the way the writers have assassinated JL's character. He currently bears no resemblance to the conflicted, passionate, wrongheaded but brave character we once knew.
EJ
Thank you for your kind words and your humor;
"I mean, I'm no critic, but I play one on tv. Grin. ;). You gave me a giggle.
I do not know who will be the last bad guy standing. I am guessing that it will be Pedro. Someone has the provide high-camp drama and threat to the Protags in the last hours of the TN!
I am joining you and Maricruz, right now, if you will have me, at the Doubting Guadencia table. She took far too much pleasure in recounting to Nadia the ways she was going to suffer before she died.
Great comment;
"Maria helping Pedro, hmmmmm?! I love the way the only thing she remembers about Adolfo is that he had "no problem" pulling the trigger to kill her. For all his faults (blindness to the total evil that is Maria being one of them) Adolfo went to great lengths to repay that debt to Maria."
In answer to your question, I think that Maria is cynically using the idea of mental illness in acting like she believes she is Monserrat.
Thanks so much for commenting.
Fatima:
Great rationale for your Crackpot Theory™! I am running over to your table right now for some Pizza and fantastic creative thinking!
Go, CT™ Table!
Mads: thanks so much for your generous reading of my recap. This whole PP was worthy of a Crackpot Theorist™ badge of honor;
"Now to my favorite character JL. He is gaslighting Monse, is it right, no! Where were the Marina, Dimi's men, when JL snuck into the back of that van? Look how easy it was for JL to sneak into that back seat. Besides gaslighting Monse, I think he was trying to show her, how easy it would be for Peddy or one his men to get into that back seat without her seeing them/him hence the remark about their daughter Romi. JL went too far this time and I think he was genuinely remorseful when he realized what he had done. Trying to get Refug to lie for him, not good either. I'm glad Refug didn't do it."
Man, you are one loyal friend, Mads. I want you in my camp!
Oh, and what happened to little Angel? Great question. Esme has stars in her eyes and isn't minding the home front, I will say. I hated her outfit when she was back at La Escondida. The chain loops over the shoulders...shudder. Really?
Vivi: Thank you so much for coming by! This comment was dead on;
"Refugio may be foolish, jealous, and loyal, but he's never been mean spirited or crazy."
I really hate the way the writers have assassinated JL's character. He currently bears no resemblance to the conflicted, passionate, wrongheaded but brave character we once knew.
EJ
Dear Novela Maven:
Your thoughtful assessments of story and of life are one of the reasons I recap.
"And yes, we see how each reacts within the moral siege of Aguazul. Corrupt heads have rolled only to be replaced by even more corrupt heads. Young adults have chosen up sides and now there is, in a sense, a war of brother against brother.
Maybe this parable will have a hopeful ending. Maybe evil in Aguazul will be defeated and power will be returned to the usual mix of the bumbling, the ambitious, and the idealistic found in governments of the people all over the world."
You, Novela Maven, amiga, are simply brilliant.
This recap, humble thought it may be, is dedicated to you.
Elna June
Your thoughtful assessments of story and of life are one of the reasons I recap.
"And yes, we see how each reacts within the moral siege of Aguazul. Corrupt heads have rolled only to be replaced by even more corrupt heads. Young adults have chosen up sides and now there is, in a sense, a war of brother against brother.
Maybe this parable will have a hopeful ending. Maybe evil in Aguazul will be defeated and power will be returned to the usual mix of the bumbling, the ambitious, and the idealistic found in governments of the people all over the world."
You, Novela Maven, amiga, are simply brilliant.
This recap, humble thought it may be, is dedicated to you.
Elna June
If Carlota survives Pedro's gun to her head, she needs to head back to that weight loss clinic that the writers presented as a PSA quite a while back. I thought that that PSA signaled that Carlota was going to lose weight as the novela went on and set an example for all.
Instead she is bigger than ever, bigger than Queen Latifah, even.
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 12:27:00 PM EDT
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I wonder if the alternative ending is that Pedro kills Monseratt but then he learns that Benjamin was the one responsible for his misfortune and as a repayment,he ,Ale,and JL become best friends forever cause lets be honest Monse acted like a slut to all of them and screw the sluts,atleast thats how Pedro operates!,Pedro even pays them free Pshychiatric counsel and organizes their wedding! The episode then ends with Pedro,Ale,JL saluding,Pedro excusing himself to the restroom and writes to the mirror " Ale,JL Pedro,Unidos in dolor" and then he does an evil laugh as the cameras close in "FIN" with Pedro still laughing in between.
Dear Elna June,
Thanks so much for this wonderful recap. I really enjoyed the thoughtful way you framed the drama and loss in story in terms of the drug war. I'm going to be working in Central America for a good part of 2015, and I've been thinking actively about the situation as I prepare and hope that the work I do will be positive even in a minor way. It was good to consider the larger issues as the events of the this TN spin on and on.
Thanks so much for this:
Please remind me, just WHY did I volunteer for this job?
I am ask myself this a lot now. But whenever I read the marvelous recaps from you and the others on our team, I know why I take my turn. I am really honored to be among you all and part of this terrific community. There's some satisfaction in hunkering down and getting these last few recaps done together.
Loved these lines and turns of phrase which show how richly textured and interesting your prose always is:
Montserrat is driving he Very Boring Minivan (VBM) down the Esplanade.
At the fabulous Pink Basurto mansion,
Poor Blind Nadia (PBN) and Vapid Victor discuss Montserrat’s accident.
Diana: Sorry to hear about your health scare. Hope you are feeling okay now.
Thanks so much, Elna June! Hope you are doing well and fully settled in to your new place.
Best to you and all,
Julia R.
Thanks so much for this wonderful recap. I really enjoyed the thoughtful way you framed the drama and loss in story in terms of the drug war. I'm going to be working in Central America for a good part of 2015, and I've been thinking actively about the situation as I prepare and hope that the work I do will be positive even in a minor way. It was good to consider the larger issues as the events of the this TN spin on and on.
Thanks so much for this:
Please remind me, just WHY did I volunteer for this job?
I am ask myself this a lot now. But whenever I read the marvelous recaps from you and the others on our team, I know why I take my turn. I am really honored to be among you all and part of this terrific community. There's some satisfaction in hunkering down and getting these last few recaps done together.
Loved these lines and turns of phrase which show how richly textured and interesting your prose always is:
Montserrat is driving he Very Boring Minivan (VBM) down the Esplanade.
At the fabulous Pink Basurto mansion,
Poor Blind Nadia (PBN) and Vapid Victor discuss Montserrat’s accident.
Diana: Sorry to hear about your health scare. Hope you are feeling okay now.
Thanks so much, Elna June! Hope you are doing well and fully settled in to your new place.
Best to you and all,
Julia R.
A few side notes and facts for anyone who may be interested.
A lot of interest has recently been given to Alex Sirvent the handsome young street musician [guitar player and singer] who has become Esmeralda's new beau.
The song that he sang in Wednesday's episode "Junto A Ti"
was mentioned. Something that may not be known is that Alex has a very talented sister Paty. At the young age of twelve Paty's father Alejandro, a music producer, gave
his daughter permission to form a pop group.
Paty named her group "Jeans." Groupo Jeans went on to become one of the biggest girl groups in Latin America. The group was together for fourteen years and recorded eight studio albums. Singer and actress Dulce Maria was a former member of Jeans and
can be heard on their fourth album Cuarto Para Las Cuatro. Jeans broke up in 2008 and gave their final concert El Adios De Jeans in Mexico Cities National Auditorium.
Like her brother Alex, Paty plays guitar as did Marcela, one of Jeans last members. Paty and Marcela along with Jeans third member Karla did an acoustic set during their final concert. That concert can be seen in it's entirety on YouTube.
Another side note---Angelique Boyer started her career in a pop group called Rabanitos Verdes. Like RBD, there were three girls and three guys. The group had a great sound but too bad, they only produced one album, Cada Manana. It can also be heard along with a few videos of young Angelique performing with the group.
One last thing---Ana Brenda and Sandra Echeverria both sang in Latin Pop groups before acting took over in their lives.
the gringo
A lot of interest has recently been given to Alex Sirvent the handsome young street musician [guitar player and singer] who has become Esmeralda's new beau.
The song that he sang in Wednesday's episode "Junto A Ti"
was mentioned. Something that may not be known is that Alex has a very talented sister Paty. At the young age of twelve Paty's father Alejandro, a music producer, gave
his daughter permission to form a pop group.
Paty named her group "Jeans." Groupo Jeans went on to become one of the biggest girl groups in Latin America. The group was together for fourteen years and recorded eight studio albums. Singer and actress Dulce Maria was a former member of Jeans and
can be heard on their fourth album Cuarto Para Las Cuatro. Jeans broke up in 2008 and gave their final concert El Adios De Jeans in Mexico Cities National Auditorium.
Like her brother Alex, Paty plays guitar as did Marcela, one of Jeans last members. Paty and Marcela along with Jeans third member Karla did an acoustic set during their final concert. That concert can be seen in it's entirety on YouTube.
Another side note---Angelique Boyer started her career in a pop group called Rabanitos Verdes. Like RBD, there were three girls and three guys. The group had a great sound but too bad, they only produced one album, Cada Manana. It can also be heard along with a few videos of young Angelique performing with the group.
One last thing---Ana Brenda and Sandra Echeverria both sang in Latin Pop groups before acting took over in their lives.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 1:22:00 PM EDT
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Caryn: thanks for coming by this morning for early Pizza and coffee. Great coments.
"I think that is an awesome point and question. It really makes sense and is appropriate. Are the writers of this telenovela that clever to propogate such an indictment?"
I think some of them certainly are. The original story 'Bible', as it is called is held within an understood context. With such a long and meaningless extension, and the writers under pressure to produce more and more shows, context may have been lost except where it relates directly to plot, i.e. Pedro, Adolfo and Ezekiel are narcotraficantes.
Thanks again for commenting.
Tracy: thank you so much for your kind words. I heartily echo your cry for the craziness to stop. Maria and JL were always portrayed as obsessives, but now their behavior is just foolish. Ya Basta!
Dear Carlos: I am glad you had thoughts provoked by the recap. Warm smile. But, If I may gently correct your assumption;
"Clearly you've given a lot of serious consideration to this perilous environment we find ourselves embroiled in with this TN."
I have given serious consideration to the horrors created by the Drug Wars. The TN last two TNs I have recapped have been set in the context of human and drug trafficking, so at least once a week the subject is up for me as a great human tragedy.
The news folks give enormous attention to the numbers of unfortunate people killed in airplane disasters or in the current conflict in Gaza. These incidents are terrible, of course, but in sheer numbers that Mexican Drug Wars eclipses them.
More than 60,000 dead in one six-year period? It is unspeakably tragic to know this is happening just over our borders here.
I love Mexico, the languages, all of it rich cultural diversity and it's scenic beauty. I have been traveling there since I was a young child and have a number of friends—both Gringos and locals—who live in the country.
For the people I know, watching their society dissolve around them has been heartbreaking and terrifying. They feel helpless to stem the tide of violence.
That knowledge, rather than just the story on TV prompted my intro to the Capitulo.
Elna June
"I think that is an awesome point and question. It really makes sense and is appropriate. Are the writers of this telenovela that clever to propogate such an indictment?"
I think some of them certainly are. The original story 'Bible', as it is called is held within an understood context. With such a long and meaningless extension, and the writers under pressure to produce more and more shows, context may have been lost except where it relates directly to plot, i.e. Pedro, Adolfo and Ezekiel are narcotraficantes.
Thanks again for commenting.
Tracy: thank you so much for your kind words. I heartily echo your cry for the craziness to stop. Maria and JL were always portrayed as obsessives, but now their behavior is just foolish. Ya Basta!
Dear Carlos: I am glad you had thoughts provoked by the recap. Warm smile. But, If I may gently correct your assumption;
"Clearly you've given a lot of serious consideration to this perilous environment we find ourselves embroiled in with this TN."
I have given serious consideration to the horrors created by the Drug Wars. The TN last two TNs I have recapped have been set in the context of human and drug trafficking, so at least once a week the subject is up for me as a great human tragedy.
The news folks give enormous attention to the numbers of unfortunate people killed in airplane disasters or in the current conflict in Gaza. These incidents are terrible, of course, but in sheer numbers that Mexican Drug Wars eclipses them.
More than 60,000 dead in one six-year period? It is unspeakably tragic to know this is happening just over our borders here.
I love Mexico, the languages, all of it rich cultural diversity and it's scenic beauty. I have been traveling there since I was a young child and have a number of friends—both Gringos and locals—who live in the country.
For the people I know, watching their society dissolve around them has been heartbreaking and terrifying. They feel helpless to stem the tide of violence.
That knowledge, rather than just the story on TV prompted my intro to the Capitulo.
Elna June
Jarifa: Have you seen the 1940 version of "Gaslight" with Diana Wynyard and Anton Walbrook? I haven't seen the Ingrid Bergman/Charles Boyer one in years, but never miss the DW/AW version when TCM shows it.
Nanette
Nanette
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 1:32:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 1:32:00 PM EDT
Nanette, i have never seen that one only the Charles Boyer version. I will have to keep my eyes open for the other. Thanks!
Jarifa
Jarifa
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 1:47:00 PM EDT
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Carvivlie:
Oh, one can hope! I would like to see a big ole hug too after that avance I saw!
Jarifa and Nanette:
I love those old black and white suspense movies. I haven't seen the British version of Gaslight but will keep my eyes peeled for it. I love the Silent Sunday nights that TCM offers. I watch them every Sunday night. What great works of Art they are, all about body movements and facial expressions!
Oh, one can hope! I would like to see a big ole hug too after that avance I saw!
Jarifa and Nanette:
I love those old black and white suspense movies. I haven't seen the British version of Gaslight but will keep my eyes peeled for it. I love the Silent Sunday nights that TCM offers. I watch them every Sunday night. What great works of Art they are, all about body movements and facial expressions!
Mads: couldn't live without my TCM.
Pedro has never shot anyone himself, has he?
Just caught the last few minutes of the ep. Didn't realize JL was gaslighting Mons. So glad Refu didn't cover for him.
Really looking forward to the end of this one. Even a near perfect TN, like Amor Bravio, would lose steam at this many eps.
Pedro has never shot anyone himself, has he?
Just caught the last few minutes of the ep. Didn't realize JL was gaslighting Mons. So glad Refu didn't cover for him.
Really looking forward to the end of this one. Even a near perfect TN, like Amor Bravio, would lose steam at this many eps.
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 1:58:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 1:58:00 PM EDT
Macario's little jealous snit about Eric and the way Dominga was fawning over him was cute. I don't think he kept the fact that he had a son from her - he didn't know. Kevin is a product of a one night stand and, sure, he didn't tell Dominga about it, but he was gone for YEARS. What did she expect, that he would be celibate all that time? She didn't even expect him to ever come back but when he did, did she realistically expect him to tell her about every single hookup?
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 2:03:00 PM EDT
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Elna June:
In your well-presented and thought-out prologue, you presented a fantastic summary of the trials and tribulations of the current drug war, cartels, and everyday citizens of these drug-infested countries (Mexico, Central, South America, etc.). I loved your question to each one of us about how we would react if we were living under the same circumstances.
This may be well off the blogger comment path, but my husband and I, plus our newborn daughter, lived through the Somoza dictatorship in Nicaragua and the following Sandinista civil war which killed so many innocent people. Therefore, I really can relate to this question, as the Somoza family owned a very small percentage of the Inter-Continental Hotel in Managua where my husband worked and where we actually lived. The Sandinista used the Hotel to launch missiles and bazookas toward the neighboring army barracks and presidential palace. We feared for our lives, and my daughter and I slept many nights in the hotel bathroom bathtub.
Baby formula for our daughter was dependent on the personal airplane flights of the Somoza family back and forth from Managua to Miami, as reliable baby formula wasn’t sold in Managua after the earthquake which killed almost 20,000+ people and only a few buildings were left standing—one of which was the Los Angeles earthquake-resistant design of the Inter-Continental Hotel, constructed on Teflon plates and springs.
So we had to turn our heads to so many injustices in order to survive ourselves and finally get the hell out of this horrendous country and personal experience; and then we were on our way to drug infested Cali, Colombia. We literally went from one kind of hell to another. But as in Agua Azul, who could we report these atrocities to: corruption was everywhere and no one would have done a thing to change the system until the guerillas and/or Sandinistas started their thing.
Agua Azul is peaceful in comparison!
Agua Azul and its corrupt officials clearly point out the problem through the evil and corrupt acts of some of the characters. For instance, MDA has gone from a somewhat upstanding, noble (if you think trying to steal someone else’s wife is noble) guy to a fanatic, crazy, selfish, and corrupt police chief.
Your insight into this dreadful plight was enlightening and meaningful to read and digest. True this novela has dragged on far, far too long and seems to have gotten stupider and stupider, as it goes along to the final. Some of the storylines are just too much filler material for me; and there are too many storylines going on at the same time. And really, can’t Adolfo, the pro-assassin, learn to kill someone with accuracy!
Refugio thinks he saved Esme by asking that she quit her work at La Escondida? He is still the same selfish bastard, as always, thinking only about himself and not what makes his wife happy (even if some bloggers disagree with Esme’s career choice).
Now MDA takes to hiding in the back seat of Monse’s van. I thought he was creepy in last night’s episode but now this takes the cake! How much more can the writers come up with for him?
Oh how I wished that Ale had dunked Maria and all (wig) in the swimming pool.
I’m still confused about the whole “who’s helping Peddy thing”, it seems to be Maria, but I have my doubts.
And Victor, Dim, and Ale can just barge into MDA’s house without a key? Bravo Refugio! The blinders and finally off and you see MDA for what he really is—a lying scumbag.
At first I thought that I might join the Crackpot Theorists table to believe that Gracie was faking her illness, but after reading what Carlos wrote, now I really confused and don’t know which way the wind blows.
Again, thank you for all your greatly appreciated work and for recapping so delightfully such a boring episode. Let’s get to the El Fin, pretty please!
Diana,
Thank goodness it was only a scare, but I'm sorry you've had a difficult week. I can only echo EJ's words: "Know that you are beloved here."
Thank goodness it was only a scare, but I'm sorry you've had a difficult week. I can only echo EJ's words: "Know that you are beloved here."
Dear Elna June,
You are, as always, much too kind. I am so touched that you thought of me when you were writing this elegant meditation.
As I read the latest comments, I see I'm not the only one you have wowed today, my dear recapper/provocateur. I so love it when you aim high and you bring out the best in our community.
You are, as always, much too kind. I am so touched that you thought of me when you were writing this elegant meditation.
As I read the latest comments, I see I'm not the only one you have wowed today, my dear recapper/provocateur. I so love it when you aim high and you bring out the best in our community.
Wow Elna June, you sure gave us a lot to think about and talk about with your intro. I remember as a little kid, going to visit family in Mexico some 30 years ago, all we had to worry about was whether we got pulled over by the local police for "traffic infractions" only to try to get a "mordida" or kickback from my dad. Now the worry is about narcos killing innocent people. With a great deal of my family living in several parts of Mexico, it has become scary to know that anyone can be in harms way.
After last night's episode, I kind of wish Adolfo had succeeded in killing EZ. Not because I like this sort of thing, mind you, but now Josefina, Nadia, Vicki and even Carlotta are in danger. I sure hope those of you that think EZ and Carlotta will not die tonight are right. I hate to think of Tia Lottie going out this way. EZ does seem to love her, for all his faults, but when it comes down to his life or hers, its hard to think he will sacrifice himself.
I was glad though that Refu did not back up "Creepy Stalker JL" (thanks for that new name EJ). Perhaps now that his eyes are open to just how unhinged his friend has become he can help bring him back to reality. Wishful thinking, I know. But he is getting crazier and crazier each episode. CountxAlacran posted a good question, with what if Montse had died? How could he have faced his little girl and Laurito? He claims to love these kids but he is doing everything in his power to hurt their mother and Ale.
Maricruz
After last night's episode, I kind of wish Adolfo had succeeded in killing EZ. Not because I like this sort of thing, mind you, but now Josefina, Nadia, Vicki and even Carlotta are in danger. I sure hope those of you that think EZ and Carlotta will not die tonight are right. I hate to think of Tia Lottie going out this way. EZ does seem to love her, for all his faults, but when it comes down to his life or hers, its hard to think he will sacrifice himself.
I was glad though that Refu did not back up "Creepy Stalker JL" (thanks for that new name EJ). Perhaps now that his eyes are open to just how unhinged his friend has become he can help bring him back to reality. Wishful thinking, I know. But he is getting crazier and crazier each episode. CountxAlacran posted a good question, with what if Montse had died? How could he have faced his little girl and Laurito? He claims to love these kids but he is doing everything in his power to hurt their mother and Ale.
Maricruz
Victoria, thanks for sharing your story with us. What terrible things to have lived through, and even more so with a little baby. Glad your family pulled through :-)
Maricruz
Maricruz
Maricruz and Urban:
I think as citizens of the US and immigrants, as well, we should be dully thankful that, as messed up as some think our country to be, we should all the grateful that we live in peace and relative prosperity with our destiny in the hands of others and not left up to corruption, class status, and the evilness of others.
I thank God every day that we live in a democracy that is relatively balanced (at times).
Victoria....thanks for sharing your story. .You sound like many of my students. I think that I appreciate living here much more than some Americans do after hearing my students' stories of their lives in their native countries. I have had many students from Colombia. Recently,, I have gad students from Eritea. I have also had many students from Syria, and many of them have become my dear friends. My heart just breaks for them.
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 6:28:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 6:28:00 PM EDT
Dear Carlos,
While you and I frequently find ourselves in agreement around here, I think the Graciela is Faking Theory may have some legs:
We've always known Gracie to be vain and gregarious and yet ever since Fabiola's suicide she's locked herself away, neglected her appearance, and shunned human contact.
This could be explained by grief, guilt and isolation which blossomed into a serious depression.
She did not initiate her hospitalization willingly (she was discovered unconscious) nor did she willingly participate in the studies which revealed the tumor... remember the struggle she put up over the CT?
Treatment, including surgery and chemotherapy has been recommended. It would be much tidier (if she were faking) if the situation were presented simply as being hopeless.
In the hospital, she finally had her children's attention. But they were quite ready to walk away again, especially since they assumed her condition was amenable to treatment.
We saw the doctor interview her (clumsily), we saw her being forced into the CT scanner, but we never saw the doctor talking to her privately about the CT results or her diagnosis. I can imagine a missing scene that went something like this:
Doctor: Mrs. Giacinti, I can find no underlying physical illness to explain your condition. I'd like to refer you to a colleague of mine, an excellent psychiatrist who can...
Graciela: How dare you, you mediocre excuse for a physician, desgraciado infeliz
(Waves menacing index finger, but doesn't have the nerve to actually deliver head poke. Then smiles slyly as she changes tack.)
"Wouldn't you like to forget about off-the-rack suits, cheap shoes, and 72 hour shifts in this sad excuse for a medical center?"
(The doctor looks uneasy, but he is listening carefully.)
"This is what you are going to tell my children..."
When Dimitrio asked about a second opinion, the Dr. encouraged it.
He said, "Of course you are within your rights to do so, but the diagnosis is very obvious." I thought that was a response crafted to deflect Dimitrio's intention.
If Dimitrio does decide to ask for a second opinion, it's unlikely that he would demand a second CT. It wouldn't be that hard for the first doc to pass along someone else's scan to the consultant.
All I'm saying is that I think it is entirely possible that Graciela was jolted out of her funk when her kids "rescued" her and then came up with the idea of a fatal illness to keep them close to her.
Last night, she had exchanged her ugly black outfit for glamorous white satin and she had taken some trouble with her hair. How long before she turns blonde again?
NM, Founding Member
Crackpot Theorists™
While you and I frequently find ourselves in agreement around here, I think the Graciela is Faking Theory may have some legs:
We've always known Gracie to be vain and gregarious and yet ever since Fabiola's suicide she's locked herself away, neglected her appearance, and shunned human contact.
This could be explained by grief, guilt and isolation which blossomed into a serious depression.
She did not initiate her hospitalization willingly (she was discovered unconscious) nor did she willingly participate in the studies which revealed the tumor... remember the struggle she put up over the CT?
Treatment, including surgery and chemotherapy has been recommended. It would be much tidier (if she were faking) if the situation were presented simply as being hopeless.
In the hospital, she finally had her children's attention. But they were quite ready to walk away again, especially since they assumed her condition was amenable to treatment.
We saw the doctor interview her (clumsily), we saw her being forced into the CT scanner, but we never saw the doctor talking to her privately about the CT results or her diagnosis. I can imagine a missing scene that went something like this:
Doctor: Mrs. Giacinti, I can find no underlying physical illness to explain your condition. I'd like to refer you to a colleague of mine, an excellent psychiatrist who can...
Graciela: How dare you, you mediocre excuse for a physician, desgraciado infeliz
(Waves menacing index finger, but doesn't have the nerve to actually deliver head poke. Then smiles slyly as she changes tack.)
"Wouldn't you like to forget about off-the-rack suits, cheap shoes, and 72 hour shifts in this sad excuse for a medical center?"
(The doctor looks uneasy, but he is listening carefully.)
"This is what you are going to tell my children..."
When Dimitrio asked about a second opinion, the Dr. encouraged it.
He said, "Of course you are within your rights to do so, but the diagnosis is very obvious." I thought that was a response crafted to deflect Dimitrio's intention.
If Dimitrio does decide to ask for a second opinion, it's unlikely that he would demand a second CT. It wouldn't be that hard for the first doc to pass along someone else's scan to the consultant.
All I'm saying is that I think it is entirely possible that Graciela was jolted out of her funk when her kids "rescued" her and then came up with the idea of a fatal illness to keep them close to her.
Last night, she had exchanged her ugly black outfit for glamorous white satin and she had taken some trouble with her hair. How long before she turns blonde again?
NM, Founding Member
Crackpot Theorists™
Wow, I was siding with Carlos because I always thought that Gracie was really sick, but you make such a good argument for Gracie pulling another fast one, Novelamaven. Now, I am confused. Well, as Hub always says, I will just have to let things unfold.
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 6:56:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 6:56:00 PM EDT
NovelaMaven, the scene you created between Gracie and the doctor feels just like what could have transpired. I like it!
And all your arguments as to why she is faking it make total sense. I too noticed how much better she was looking last night, hair done, clean pjs, and still her witchy self with Nadia. Great job Founding Member of the Crackpot Theorists™!!!
Maricruz
And all your arguments as to why she is faking it make total sense. I too noticed how much better she was looking last night, hair done, clean pjs, and still her witchy self with Nadia. Great job Founding Member of the Crackpot Theorists™!!!
Maricruz
NovelaMaven,
You make an very compelling argument and I can certainly visualize that Dr. patient conversation, especially since it's common knowledge that every male physician in Mexico is first and foremost venal and corrupt (can anyone recall a corrupt female physician in a TN? Me neither.).
However, those who cling to the belief that Graciela cares only about money will have to relent and admit that there are other things more important to her after all. Certainly I can't see much opportunity for profit in a brain tumor. Also, guilt and grief aren't generally recognized as sociopathic narcissistic traits, so some here would need to revise their diagnosis.
As awful as Graciela is, everything she has done up till now makes perverse sense. Show me how this would ultimately redound to her benefit and I'm on board.
Carlos
You make an very compelling argument and I can certainly visualize that Dr. patient conversation, especially since it's common knowledge that every male physician in Mexico is first and foremost venal and corrupt (can anyone recall a corrupt female physician in a TN? Me neither.).
However, those who cling to the belief that Graciela cares only about money will have to relent and admit that there are other things more important to her after all. Certainly I can't see much opportunity for profit in a brain tumor. Also, guilt and grief aren't generally recognized as sociopathic narcissistic traits, so some here would need to revise their diagnosis.
As awful as Graciela is, everything she has done up till now makes perverse sense. Show me how this would ultimately redound to her benefit and I'm on board.
Carlos
Carlos, how about Arturo's ex in PSMA? She was as corrupt and evil as it got.
I do want Dimitrio to push for that second opinion.
I do want Dimitrio to push for that second opinion.
Carlos,
"...those who cling to the belief that Graciela cares only about money will have to relent and admit that there are other things more important to her after all."
I've never said that. She IS very greedy and manipulative, but she cares about her children, especially Dimitrio. She has tried to juggle things so she could satisfy her greed and her maternal feelings. She hasn't been able to resolve that internal conflict.
"Guilt and grief aren't generally recognized as sociopathic narcissistic traits, so some here would need to revise their diagnosis."
Hah! Well I've never diagnosed Graciela here, but if pushed, I would say she may have some traits consistent with narcissism, but I don't doubt her ability to experience guilt and grief.
"it's common knowledge that every male physician in Mexico is first and foremost venal and corrupt."
Aw, come on -- does any profession (medicine, nursing, law, etc) escape the taint of corruption in telenoveland generally or Aguazul in particular?
"...those who cling to the belief that Graciela cares only about money will have to relent and admit that there are other things more important to her after all."
I've never said that. She IS very greedy and manipulative, but she cares about her children, especially Dimitrio. She has tried to juggle things so she could satisfy her greed and her maternal feelings. She hasn't been able to resolve that internal conflict.
"Guilt and grief aren't generally recognized as sociopathic narcissistic traits, so some here would need to revise their diagnosis."
Hah! Well I've never diagnosed Graciela here, but if pushed, I would say she may have some traits consistent with narcissism, but I don't doubt her ability to experience guilt and grief.
"it's common knowledge that every male physician in Mexico is first and foremost venal and corrupt."
Aw, come on -- does any profession (medicine, nursing, law, etc) escape the taint of corruption in telenoveland generally or Aguazul in particular?
Graciela only cares about her children insofar as they are useful to her. Monse was her most valuable asset as long as she was saleable and Dimitrio was her bebe as long as she could infantilize him. When both of them got out of reach for that she turned to the very damaged Fabiola and what did she do? She fleeced her out of her stolen inheritance and threw her to the wolves. Why? She had no sale value as a trophy bride.
Narcissism traits are well-established. Gracie has all of these. Scroll down to the part about the 7 Deadly Sins of Narcissism and she's guilty of all of them.
What she's afraid of now is being alone and having nobody to exploit. Alejandro recognizes this and that's why he's hiring a nurse for her.
Narcissism traits are well-established. Gracie has all of these. Scroll down to the part about the 7 Deadly Sins of Narcissism and she's guilty of all of them.
What she's afraid of now is being alone and having nobody to exploit. Alejandro recognizes this and that's why he's hiring a nurse for her.
NovelaMaven,
"...does any profession... escape the taint of corruption...?"
Well, pole dancing comes to mind.
Carlos
"...does any profession... escape the taint of corruption...?"
Well, pole dancing comes to mind.
Carlos
It's been a long, tiring day at work, but how lovely to come home to so many WONDERFUL comments!!
We now have 7 at the "Graciela is Faking It" table. Welcome Rebecca and Elna June!! Susanlynn, I think you are sitting on the fence, but you are so welcome at this table.
I may go down in flames with my theory, but that's my story and I am sticking to it. I agree with NovelaMaven's excellent argument. :))
Victoria, I don't know how you managed all of those years in places that SHOULD have been beautiful and peaceful, but were not. It says so much about your internal fortitude that you are here to tell us about it today. I am in awe.
Fatima
Member,Crackpot Theorists™
We now have 7 at the "Graciela is Faking It" table. Welcome Rebecca and Elna June!! Susanlynn, I think you are sitting on the fence, but you are so welcome at this table.
I may go down in flames with my theory, but that's my story and I am sticking to it. I agree with NovelaMaven's excellent argument. :))
Victoria, I don't know how you managed all of those years in places that SHOULD have been beautiful and peaceful, but were not. It says so much about your internal fortitude that you are here to tell us about it today. I am in awe.
Fatima
Member,Crackpot Theorists™
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:11:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:11:00 PM EDT
Fatima,
We may be full of beans, but you gotta admit it -- the company around the table is great!
Carlos,
"...does any profession... escape the taint of corruption...?"
Well, pole dancing comes to mind.
Um...I think you may be forgetting someone...Ah, never mind!
We may be full of beans, but you gotta admit it -- the company around the table is great!
Carlos,
"...does any profession... escape the taint of corruption...?"
Well, pole dancing comes to mind.
Um...I think you may be forgetting someone...Ah, never mind!
NovelaMaven,
Yes, we have great company at our little table!!! :))
Fatima
Member, Crackpot Theorists™
Yes, we have great company at our little table!!! :))
Fatima
Member, Crackpot Theorists™
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:36:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:36:00 PM EDT
I read that Robo wont have three endings but just two,one normal and one alternative but the alternative will only be viewable by Televisa Subscribers.Since i dont live in Mexico ,it will be impossible for me to view the alternative ending so i find it to be a very dicky move,i wish Televisa didnt have regional restrictions..
They have regional restrictions so that other countries can't view video on their website.
I'm sure we'll find out what the alternate ending is eventually.
I personally wish that Univision had chosen a different ending for Teresa from the one they showed.
To Madelaine's earlier post: Teresa was a "protagonist" but she was thoroughly despicable.
I'm sure we'll find out what the alternate ending is eventually.
I personally wish that Univision had chosen a different ending for Teresa from the one they showed.
To Madelaine's earlier post: Teresa was a "protagonist" but she was thoroughly despicable.
I know Urban and that is the most unfortunate.Thats why online websites and piracy thrive,if Netflix,Hulu ,Televisa and other famous streaming websites were avalible worldwide ,there would be much less of these illegal websites floating around.its unfair that i cannot view some stuff just because i dont live in the demanded country.
Region block is pure cancer.
Region block is pure cancer.
Loved, "So, dear friends of the Patio of Lowered Expectations, and those of you who are hunkered down in the Bunker of Ironic Detachment", umm, I would be sitting there, in the latter.
You wax poetically philosophical, EJ. Loved your introduction, with the background of the current drug wars.
I was thinking along the same lines last night, that most of the characters were robbed of something.
That scene, (was it the previous Capítula? Who can keep track? I'm so confused.) with with JL and Ale fighting, Mr. eMarie said, "What's happening now, is that all the losers getting together on the Beach?"
Thanks for summarizing and not including all of the dialogue which wouldn't survive the scrutiny. Your smooth reporting made the uneven episode enjoyable for me.
Poor Angelique, has to work even though her mother passed away. Those TN actors have such tough contracts, I have heard.
You wax poetically philosophical, EJ. Loved your introduction, with the background of the current drug wars.
I was thinking along the same lines last night, that most of the characters were robbed of something.
That scene, (was it the previous Capítula? Who can keep track? I'm so confused.) with with JL and Ale fighting, Mr. eMarie said, "What's happening now, is that all the losers getting together on the Beach?"
Thanks for summarizing and not including all of the dialogue which wouldn't survive the scrutiny. Your smooth reporting made the uneven episode enjoyable for me.
Poor Angelique, has to work even though her mother passed away. Those TN actors have such tough contracts, I have heard.
I don't think they pay any attention to their audiences' remarks/comments on their websites otherwise they would stop moving tns around from one time slot to another.
Do we know for sure if there are going to be 2 or 3 endings?
A friend of mine from Spain who doesn't have access to Televisa's website reported that he read there were 3 endings, which I hope is the erroneous gossip we blogged about before.
If this novela has a bad ending, I will feel like I lost almost 12 month's of my life watching LQLVMR!
A friend of mine from Spain who doesn't have access to Televisa's website reported that he read there were 3 endings, which I hope is the erroneous gossip we blogged about before.
If this novela has a bad ending, I will feel like I lost almost 12 month's of my life watching LQLVMR!
Oh and Urban and others:
Thanks for adding to the Crackpot Theory listing of all things we the viewers have paid attention to but it seems as if the producers think their audience is stupid or whatever; and they just let plotlines drop off the face of the earth!
Really, we don't watch novelas because we have nothing better to do; I think most of us just like this genre of TV shows better than the crap that is on the major networks.
Give me a good novela any day over some of the really dumb CBS, NBC, ABC, or FOX shows.
Thanks for adding to the Crackpot Theory listing of all things we the viewers have paid attention to but it seems as if the producers think their audience is stupid or whatever; and they just let plotlines drop off the face of the earth!
Really, we don't watch novelas because we have nothing better to do; I think most of us just like this genre of TV shows better than the crap that is on the major networks.
Give me a good novela any day over some of the really dumb CBS, NBC, ABC, or FOX shows.
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