Sunday, December 23, 2007
Pasion Friday December 21 - Not much crying today
On the boat to
Ric and crew have arrived in
The ad for the Desperate Housewives show says it will start Thursday, Jan 10 at 10/9 central. Don’t the shows at that hour change from day to day? Maybe that will just be a weekly show.
Ric and Mario try and figure out how to sail closer to
Lis and Francisca walk on the beach, Lis is obsessed with the fact that the other boat is named Camila. Francisca gives a million reasons why that might be the case, Lis doesn’t buy it. I would normally call her psycho for how she is thinking except that this is novelaland and she happens to be right that the boat is named after our protagonista. Lis claims to not be jealous of Camila, which is of course a bunch of crap, especially since she then asks Fran to describe what she looks like. Lis is worried that word of Captain Ric may have spread, but Fran says Tim never talked to anybody and Ric is going to use a fake ID anyway.
Ric says the fake papers are in his true name, so that should help. He says he needs to work on the signature and sends for pen and paper. Ric also says he needs to notify Foreman that he’ll be off for a while taking care of personal business. The girls arrive at his shack and say the place is lovely and they’d like to come back some day. Ric tells the ladies that he will be using the name Ricardo Lopez de Carvajal. His cover is that he is a friend of the family in charge of taking care of Lis. Lis asks, why isn’t your story that you are my fiancé? Ric says something like that would draw too much attention. Fran wants to know how they are going to get the money. Ric says if Camila was pregnant, there isn’t anything to be done. Otherwise, they’ll present the facts to her and have her make the logical decision. That sounds a bit like ‘make her an offer she can’t refuse.’
Dona Sofia asks Ofelia how Camila reacted to Saintly being married. They rehash. They both agree that Saintly still loves her.
Across the square, Jorge stares at Ofelia. He is interrupted by some stammering flunky who updates him on the earthquake relief efforts. Yet another funeral winds through the square. The stammering dude follows Jorge into his office to tell him more. The guy then goes on with tax collection details, finishing with the percentage to be earned on the sale of some house to, you won’t believe it, Camila. The guy peppered his info with “you won’t believe it” and “you’ll never guess” which irritates Jorge. Jorge is impactada, then the guy says she now is Camila de Salamanca.
Al Diablo con los Hombres is only “Muy Pronto”, no exact date given. I suspect now that this show will be what follows Amar.
Over dinner, Camila tells Ascanio that she did the accounts and Vasco spent more money than he should have. Ascanio makes some excuse and Camila says he isn’t in trouble, she knows how Vasco is with money. She understands but she won’t throw away money. She says the home purchase is almost done. The kid (I can’t remember his name now either) says he’s ready to go see his mom, he doesn’t want to wait for Ascanio to check it out first, he wants to tell her about Angel. Camila says to wait a couple days, Ascanio agrees and explains how they’ll do it. As they discuss it, Don Jorge arrives. He asks to sit down, Camila delivers a good burn on him by saying she didn’t think he needed permission to do what he wants. He sits and says it is good to see her. He is introduced to the others. Ah Claudio is the kid’s name. Jorge is glad that she is alive and she looks so pretty.
Later as they go upstairs, Jimena says she thinks Jorge is nice, she had the impression that he was old and fat. She even calls him handsome. Camila reminds her that he is the one who did that bad thing. Jimena says no, the kidnappers did that. Camila says Jorge started it. Let me get this straight – Jimena knows the whole story and now is saying “oh whatever, he’s so hot”? wtf. Camila says she’s just nice because he is the boss and she doesn’t want him as an enemy. Jimena says that Jorge still seems to like Camila, Camila says he likes any woman, Jimena says oh, then she has a chance! Camila says if she does that their friendship is over. Jimena plays the old “oh, I was just kidding” card. Then says someone like him wouldn’t like someone like her. I disagree, Jorge would like her just fine. As we all know.
Alberto grumps his way across the town square and comes to Jorge’s office. Jorge tells him that this super hot chick who happens to be rich and widowed is buying that house. Alberto laughs and says Jorge has decided he must have her, right? Jorge says yes, and she owes me. Jorge finally fills him in on the whole truth, that he couldn’t get it up for Camila way back when. Alberto finally puts two and two together that Camila is the widow.
I guess Camila and Jimena didn’t see the house before, just the boys. They come to the new house and are so happy, Ascanio and Jimena both say they can help work there, Camila says no, they are her brother and sister now. She tells Claudio that she would love him to stay too. He promises to come back some time. They all dance around happily like idiots.
Captain Ric now has his new short hair and nice clothes. He, Mario, and some others are riding through the forest towards
Saintly and one of the porno twins come to Camila’s house to help her for something. She comes out to greet him and says sorry for calling but he is the only one in town who knows how to do that stuff. She needs some repairs done on the house. He of course is all too happy to help. Some lovey dovey song plays in the background.
Later Saintly is working in his shop, Camila stops by to pay. He doesn’t want it, but she says he has to accept payment or she will feel very uncomfortable. I agree. He says they are friends and he wants to be able to help her. The porno twins look on confusedly. She says if he doesn’t take the money she won’t ask him for help again. He still says no. She says take it, she has money. He says how funny, if she stayed and married him, she wouldn’t have all that money. She starts to say she’d give all the money back if…, then stops. She then says she’ll use the money to buy fabric for a new dress, Saintly says sounds like a good idea. He then inappropriately watches her walk away longer than he should.
Rita rants and raves to Justo about Saintly spending time at Camila’s house, etc. Justo has nothing to say.
Later, Justo visits Camila and says thanks for her help the mill is almost fixed. He says he’ll repay her, but she says no way. He insists. I say whatever, just wait and see if he does. He changes the subject and asks if
Ric and his crew arrive in
At Camila’s house they discuss Claudio returning home. Ascanio is going to leave him somewhere close, then go see his mother and explain everything and see if it’s true that they were trying to kill him. If it’s safe he’ll tell them where Claudio is. Camila gives some money. Claudio says he’ll pay her back for what she paid for his freedom, she says whatever. They are going to leave in the morning. She says she’ll miss them and again somehow we are spared her crying. It’s almost as if she got as tired of her crying as we all have. All I can say is thank you writers for giving us a break.
Justo visits Saintly at the mill. He wants to talk. I’m sure about the same thing he told Camila.
Mario enjoys a post-coitus drink. He sees a guy drinking at a table and asks if he can join him, as he is new in town and doesn’t like drinking alone. He tells the guy he is looking for a woman and the guy says ah, to be young again. Mario starts spinning his tale, that his woman left him. The old guy says they’ll betray you every time. Well now we know why he is drinking alone, he is a bigot. Mario says his woman arrived with another, a young widow named Camila. The old guy says oh yeah her, we all thought she was dead after the horrible thing that happened, Mario says what thing? Thunder starts, a storm is coming. Old guy says it’s a long story. Mario says he’s not in a hurry, he’ll stay here until the storm passes.
Lis wants to know if they can go out, Fran says they have to see what Ric says. Knock knock, it’s Ric at the door. He is going out but wants to go alone. Fran says they want to go walk around. Ric says fine, but remember Camila is around and you might see her. Fran says she hopes so, so she can tell her off. Ric sighs and says not to do that, it will ruin everything. Lis asks if she can touch him to see what he looks like now. She feels him all over his face while Fran rolls her eyes. Ric leaves, Lis swoons and gets horny thinking about Ric. Fran impatiently asks, “are we going outside or what?”
Saintly, who has made sure to have his shirt hanging open for you ladies, tells Justo that he’s sorry to give the impression of impropriety. Justo wants to know what
I give this episode an A- for having almost no crying. How refreshing.
Wednesday – Ric meets Jorge. Ursula sees him and wants him.
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I hope Jimena doesn't do something stupid like jump in the sack with old Whore-hey, especially after Camila basically told her their friendship would be toast.
Mario is very unique-looking. If I were him and trying to be inconspicuous I would at least shave my unusual beard off. Unbraiding it isn't enough. A change in hairstyle would be good too. Surely Camila and Jimena will recognize him if he still looks like a pirate, right?
Thanks Dread Pirate Cash, I hope there are more episodes that are gloriously free of excessive weeping.
Rita looks like she is going to be a pain in the buttzky that will make us all weep. Wonder if SantiAGONY will get her preggers to shut her up... Not a lot of options for entertaining one's wifey in this town. Probably not much of a theater if any. And we know that walks down by the old mill are dangerous.
I vote hurray for a shearing of Mario's braided beard and scruffy hair. He might clean up rather nicely too.
Sylvia, I love your latest name for Whore-hey. It fits.
Happy holidays, see ya all after Wednesday night.
That seemed to happen with Heridas, and others.
I'm still trying to find out who the mother of Vasco's son is. If that is a spoiler, could someone tell me where else to find out that info? I'd appreciate it.
Also, I'd like to provide complimentary remarks to Carla Estrada. I appreciate her attempting to give some depth to her telenovelas by putting the story into an issue / historical context of some sort.
How would I send her a brief electronic message? Thanks!
“Lis more openly lusts after Captain Ric.... groping everything Ric owns, Lis is sniffing and fondling everything. Stalker!.” Ferro, I’m a teacher of the blind by trade initially (before I went into teaching the deaf), did you know that? I can’t decide if I need to shake you for this or howl in amusement. Oh, heck. I’m going for the howl. I’m guessing my two blind girlfriends from college would be doing exactly the same. ROTFLLLLLLLLL!
“fake ID. Francesca asks what the new name is and is it from somebody he killed? This angers Captain Ric and he snaps “I don’t know” and says he’ll see them later. He leaves. Lis angrily asks why she said that, Fran says because it’s true. Lis says she shouldn’t say stuff like that outside at all.” Well, Stalker Lis still has a modicum of common sense, doesn’t she?
“Saintly takes this opportunity to give her a hug that is more than friendly. They both start crying – that took what, a minute?” ROTFLLLL!!! No matter how hard you try, there’s always going to be crying here. Ferro, if you have a piece of paper near your tele, do a nightly tally of crying. Duelo had a high body count, but Pasión may have a high crying count. OTOH, if your day job has enough counting in it, ignore me. ;-)
“Lis taps around in the sand with her cane, which is hilarious.” I can’t wait to get home in a week and have a Pasión-a-thon and see this. ☺
“Ric describes the scenery to Lis” aka “audio description” –and I thought this was only happening in the 20th and 21st centuries. (Just kidding)
“I think Lis just wants any excuse to hear Ric’s voice.” True. It’s the most time she’s had with him in a decade and her hormones are on the run now, where when he left she was a kiddie. So, opening him open-ended questions will get her what she wants.
Re: Lazaro and Ric—I adored how you recapped it!
“Lis is obsessed with the fact that the other boat is named Camila.” Uh-oh, trouble in Paradise. Lis is highly auditory, and she’d pick up on the coincidence, duh.
“She talks about her endless pain and how it’s still fresh. Thankfully, she doesn’t cry.” We feel your delight, Ferro.
“Lis asks if she can touch him to see what he looks like now. She feels him all over his face while Fran rolls her eyes.” Apparently, Fran has common sense, too. My blind friends have told me this is an idea sighted folks thought up, that they want to feel everyone’s faces. Nope.
“I give this episode an A- for having almost no crying. How refreshing.” The writers have heard your cries for relief?
Sylvia- "I hope Jimena doesn't do something stupid like jump in the sack with old Whore-hey" ROTFLLL!
Jeanne
Jeanne
mano derecha,
We haven't see the mother of Vasco's son till now. She must be dead.
Ferro, are you the one who said a quota of weeping is in Rulli's contract? You (or whoever) must be right. He's like the Margaret O'Brien of telenovelas.
Mano Derecha, I agree that it seems most telenovelas start off with a bang then bog down in the middle. However I don't think that ever happened in Alborada, Carla Estrada's last telenovela. I also really like the way she includes historical references, it's so much more fun and interesting. Her productions are by far my favorites.
Sorry, don't know how you can find out about Vasco's son's mommy or how to contact Estrada. Maybe some of our more experienced telenovela afficionados can help.
The worst part was when she touched him and then after he left, she sniffed her hands like she was never going to wash them again.
Sometimes I catch her looking at things, too.
Someone asked about the mother of Vasco's child. IT's not a spoiler - we don't know her 'cuz she's dead.
Thank you all for your nice comments, I'm glad you enjoyed my efforts!
When Lis started the touching I cried: Don't touch him maldita sea. Grrr.... I want to touch him too!
And have you noticed that Mario is always reminding Ric that Cami is his aunt?
M. We have problems. I just saw your aunt.
R. Fran?
M. The widow...
Ah Mario you really like this! ROTFL!
Helen J.
As a recapper I must say there is one advantage to excessive crying: nobody is ever saying anything that needs to be recapped.
I read the comments first. Then, Chris, I read your "porno twins" moniker and laughed out loud again. Love it!
I'm about to come off a binge of six months of watching six different TN's per week day. I am astounded at my increased ability to understand normal or rapid conversations/dialog and the vocabulary I've gained amazes my friends! ¡Viva Telenovelas!
On Vasco: We only know that he is widowed but this leaves him available, without a subplot of an unhappy wife, to play with Ursula who might really love him except he is unfortunately too poor to be a legitimate suitor. And now Ric will be the new guy in town to tantalize everyone... mmmmm!
On General Hospital a couple of years ago, there was one character who did little more than cry for an entire month thinking her boyfriend was going to die from some brain problem. She was crying ALL THE TIME. They probably had to give her IV fluids between scenes so she wouldn't get dehydrated.
My guess with the men crying in the telenovelas is that they're trying to distinguish them from the (allegedly) typical stoic macho man. "Look how sensitive this man is! Don't you wish your man was this sensitive?" LOL, not quite that sensitive, please!
I think the bottom line is, once the casting people find out you're a good crier, you're going to be crying for the rest of your career.
About the crying..as my Mexican husband would say, it is okay to cry if your parent, child, close friend or relative dies...it is not okay to go on a crying jag everything you see an ex across a room and you sure don't sit around with other men crying about your lost love...
I started out with Destilando Amor which I started first in Mexico last January and then again in March in NM. On the suggestion of my favorite Spanish Literature teacher at the Cervantes Institute, I began to watch more for practice. That led to:
Amar Sin Limites
Yo Amo a Juan Q
Esclava Isaura
El Manantial
Pecados Ajenos
and now that Esclava Isaura is over I sometimes watch Victoria with Victoria Ruffo as an older woman who gets the cutest young guy, nice, nice. I heard Eduardo Yañez say on the program on his life as an actor that he got his first big break on a TN with Victoria Ruffo. You can tell she's a real pro. It's similar to Daniella Roma or Mariana Karr walking onto the set.
jb-iron jack cash
You are so right, this has nothing to do with blindness. As I mentioned above, I taught blind children for six years (exclusively) at the beginning of my career. This character represents a pampered individual who has been overprotected, partly because she's the only offspring and partly because she's blind, but the blindness gives her the opportunity to go over the top doing things that sighted folks romanticize that blind folks do. Some of my blind and deafblind friends would be offended and amused by how they've typecast this so-called blind character. None of my friends would be sniffing visibly like that---but, we also teach the children that sighted people find this behavior different enough that it could affect social relationships, that's part of what we call the "Expanded Core Curriculum" for students with visual impairments--Social Skills. Braille is obvious, though it wasn't invented until the early 1800s so Lis isn't going to use it, plus many women didn't learn to read anyway. The cane she is using would have been unlikely and the so-called technique she is using would have been unlikely. The "sighted guide" travel technique she uses with everyone is pretty accurate even for that time but it probably was never written up in a professional journal back then because there was no profession of teaching blind students. ;-) So, what it boils down to is the writers and everyone producing are giving Lis the worst of what we sighted folks might think of in terms of how a blind person might behave....if we knew no blind people. For those of us who know blind people, this stereotype is actually a combination of amusing and offensive.
FWIW, I loved the way Ferro poked fun at the stereotyping they've done with this character who uses blindness as an excuse for touching Ric and other socially unacceptable behaviors. At least Fran rolls her eyes! I applaud Fran for this. I hope some day she calls Lis's bluff on this behavior. Ric never will because he's buying into the "she's my cross to bear, poor blind cousin who is incapable of anything, etc., etc." Lis is capable of lots of things, but she's pampered, overprotected and immature and has gotten away with a lot. She's a smart chica and uses all of this to her advantage.
My students always knew I expected their greatest efforts. One who was my student when he was 8 to 14 years old, but now is 42 or so, told me huffily last year on the phone that "these blind kids now don't know how to read." He was so grateful that I and his next teacher pushed him hard. He's right, and it's that way for a lot of reasons, but mainstreaming isn't doing some of them favors because they don't get enough Braille instruction and sighted teachers in regular classrooms might not know how much they should be expecting. That's Lis. No one has the expectations for her that they should, based on her intellect. And the writers, etc., are using it to the hilt.
Jeanne
Jeanne
Also, I appreciate the mention of El Manantial by Cheryl Mar Para NMex, and will look for it on DVD.
This is a great blog community.
Victoria is a refrito, and I saw the original, which was called Mirada de Mujer. It was really good. I have checked in on Victoria a couple of times, but I don't think I would watch it because I don't like Victoria Ruffo. I haven't figured out why, but she turns me off. Also, the guy in this one seems awfully young, young enough that it streches credibility. The guy in Mirada de Mujer was younger than Anjelica Aragon, but not that much younger. That was the first time I ever saw Barbara Mori in a telenovela. She played her teenage daughter. She has certainly gone on to bigger and better things, like Rubi.
I was very annoyed by Jimena 's reaction as far as Jorge is concerned. As much as I like Jimena, I think that it is at least inexcusable that she told her close friend that the man by whom she was almost raped is very cute and nice and yes, I would like him to take a chance with me.
Jeanne - thank you very much for the analysis on Liz and her blindness. That explained a lot. Generally, I really appreciate your comments. I like that you put the sentences on quotes and then make your comment. I am sure that you are great tutor!
Sorry for the mistakes.
Sophia from Greece
On the other hand, if it were not for women like Jimena who have terrible taste in men, there'd be fewer good ones to go around for the rest of us.
Yesterday, "contra vento y marea" with Sebastian Rulli and Marlene Favela started here. Has anyone seen it? Is it any good?
Sophia from Greece
Jeanne
Cheryl Mar Para NMex - I really enjoy that you share your experience of learning the spanish language. It's something I'm really interested in and working on. I believe you've commented that you will be in Mexico in January - my husband and I are spending 8 days in Mexico City in January. If you spot an embarrassingly gringo couple while you are there, it just might be us! :)
Schoolmarm-in-Black - I also found your insight into the blind very informative. Thanks!
I'm loving Pasion now, but even if I wasn't I would check in here for the educational perks.
Question. How come passion has a lot of readers in the caray caray forums and so did La fea and Destilando and I think they were and are on, at 9:00. Amar sin limites which is really good, gets 5-6 comments??? Is it because it is earlier in the evening and that more people turn the tv on at 9:00 then 8:00 ????
I like so many commenters above am totally fascinated with the information you have given us from your training and work experiences with blind and deaf students including common misconceptions of blindness. I know with deafness too that many people have barely conscious/or unconscious expectations about the abilities and native intelligence of people that cannot take part in our world the same way a sighted or hearing person would. It's a big mistake to assume these folks are in any way lesser. So many people are able to develop their remaining senses far beyond normal to a brilliance we can all learn from. I wish the writers of Pasión would develop this theme better but as Beckster pointed out, our Lisabeta is totally smitten with cousin Ric and would probably be developing some other bad habits if not the sniffing one. I didn't know the face touching was a myth except I remember riding a particular bus to work in Boston for several years and a blind couple would also frequently ride. They didn't appear to want to touch other people at all. They instead would engage other people they knew or each other in fascinating conversation, they were both so intelligent. It's good to get these unfortunate myths dispelled that put unwarranted limits on people. Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge with us.
Another comment on the crying, last night I watched two movies with the brilliant Mexixcan comedian, "Cantinflas", Mario Mareno Reyes, from the 1950's. In one scene he was explaining to a young boy who has no father that men do not cry, it's unmanly. All the while, big tears are rolling down his face with compassion for this unfortunate moppet. It was really a sweet and funny scene.
One of my deafblind friends who is pretty elderly now knew Helen Keller quite well back in the 1940s and 1950s. He describes her as overprotected, though brilliant (the latter we all know about her) and she could be a real "brat" when she felt like it. These sides of her don't get much play in books or movies. But the behaviors he described were definitely what we would call spoiled. It comes from being sheltered and having everyone around you solve the problems before you know the problems existed, or prevent the problems from happening in the first place. Not allowing a blind child, or deaf or deafblind child, face problems does not do the child favors in the long run. That's no different than for any child.
Jeanne
/mab
I think the reason there is so much crying is because there is so little writing. As I griped before, this is all action and no character development. Plus nobody in this tale seems to have a backstory except our pirate and the now-expired Tim. I think the writers/director believe that if the actors cry, we will feel sad. Obviously it’s not working. We have to really get into the characters to be touched.
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