Sunday, December 23, 2007

Pasion Friday December 21 - Not much crying today

On the boat to Mexico, Lis more openly lusts after Captain Ric while talking to Francesca, they are in Ric’s cabin and she is groping everything Ric owns, Lis is sniffing and fondling everything. Stalker! Ric arrives and agrees to bunk with Mario for a couple days so the girls can have his cabin. Ric explains where they are going and that he has a fake ID. Francesca asks what the new name is and is it from somebody he killed? This angers Captain Ric and he snaps “I don’t know” and says he’ll see them later. He leavevs. Lis angrily asks why she said that, Fran says because it’s true. Lis says she shouldn’t say stuff like that outside at all.

Santiago is working on fixing the mill, Camila walks up to chat. They don’t seem as nervous around each other as before. Saintly (thanks Melinama for the name) offers whatever help she may require for her move. As she leaves, Saintly begs her to not feel uncomfortable around him and starts rattling on. Camila says whatever already, you got married, what can we do? Saintly wants to be friends. Camila finally says ok, but she doesn’t seem to mean it. Saintly takes this opportunity to give her a hug that is more than friendly. They both start crying – that took what, a minute? Saintly goes back to work and Camila tells herself that they’ll never be able to do it, she’ll never be able to look at him just like a friend.

Ric and crew have arrived in Mexico, they are greeted nicely by whoever that guy is who seems to run the show at the bay, Lazaro is also there. Ric introduces his cousin and aunt. Lazaro offers an apology for taking La Camila out to sea without Ric’s permission, Ric glares at him and says they’ll discuss it later. Lis taps around in the sand with her cane, which is hilarious. Ric describes the scenery to Lis, then has to break up a catfight. Lis asks about Ric’s house, Ric says his boat is his house, but he has a small refuge here, etc etc etc. I think Lis just wants any excuse to hear Ric’s voice.

The ad for the Desperate Housewives show says it will start Thursday, Jan 10 at 10/9 central. Don’t the shows at that hour change from day to day? Maybe that will just be a weekly show.

Ric and Mario try and figure out how to sail closer to San Fernando. Lazaro is hanging around trying to act cool even though he knows he’s in trouble. Finally Lazaro asks what they want to do in San Fernando, Ric says basically none of your beeswax. Lazaro says “ok I’ll come with you.” Ric says no way, oh and by the way you are PROHIBITED from using any of the ships to go run around. He bares his teeth when delivering that pronouncement, Lazaro just meekly says “yes sir.” I am thinking good call on that, but then he shoots himself in the foot by continuing on with “here’s what happened, some of the guys were bored, and..” Ric says whatever you don’t know what to do in an attack. Lazaro AGAIN (what an idiot, quit while you’re ahead, didn’t you see the time Ric killed a guy for giving him lip?) starts making excuses but Ric shuts him up and sends him off to arrange for the horses and carts to travel to San Fernando. They call in the local guy (I can’t figure out or remember his name) and Ric tells him to keep an eye on Lazaro to make sure he doesn’t do anything stupid. The guy says sure thing and drops off the box full of papers Ric asked for.

Lis and Francisca walk on the beach, Lis is obsessed with the fact that the other boat is named Camila. Francisca gives a million reasons why that might be the case, Lis doesn’t buy it. I would normally call her psycho for how she is thinking except that this is novelaland and she happens to be right that the boat is named after our protagonista. Lis claims to not be jealous of Camila, which is of course a bunch of crap, especially since she then asks Fran to describe what she looks like. Lis is worried that word of Captain Ric may have spread, but Fran says Tim never talked to anybody and Ric is going to use a fake ID anyway.

Ric says the fake papers are in his true name, so that should help. He says he needs to work on the signature and sends for pen and paper. Ric also says he needs to notify Foreman that he’ll be off for a while taking care of personal business. The girls arrive at his shack and say the place is lovely and they’d like to come back some day. Ric tells the ladies that he will be using the name Ricardo Lopez de Carvajal. His cover is that he is a friend of the family in charge of taking care of Lis. Lis asks, why isn’t your story that you are my fiancé? Ric says something like that would draw too much attention. Fran wants to know how they are going to get the money. Ric says if Camila was pregnant, there isn’t anything to be done. Otherwise, they’ll present the facts to her and have her make the logical decision. That sounds a bit like ‘make her an offer she can’t refuse.’

Dona Sofia asks Ofelia how Camila reacted to Saintly being married. They rehash. They both agree that Saintly still loves her. Sofia says maybe they’ll have an affair, Ofelia is offended. Sofia says when a man feels that much passion, etc, who knows.

Across the square, Jorge stares at Ofelia. He is interrupted by some stammering flunky who updates him on the earthquake relief efforts. Yet another funeral winds through the square. The stammering dude follows Jorge into his office to tell him more. The guy then goes on with tax collection details, finishing with the percentage to be earned on the sale of some house to, you won’t believe it, Camila. The guy peppered his info with “you won’t believe it” and “you’ll never guess” which irritates Jorge. Jorge is impactada, then the guy says she now is Camila de Salamanca.

Al Diablo con los Hombres is only “Muy Pronto”, no exact date given. I suspect now that this show will be what follows Amar.

Over dinner, Camila tells Ascanio that she did the accounts and Vasco spent more money than he should have. Ascanio makes some excuse and Camila says he isn’t in trouble, she knows how Vasco is with money. She understands but she won’t throw away money. She says the home purchase is almost done. The kid (I can’t remember his name now either) says he’s ready to go see his mom, he doesn’t want to wait for Ascanio to check it out first, he wants to tell her about Angel. Camila says to wait a couple days, Ascanio agrees and explains how they’ll do it. As they discuss it, Don Jorge arrives. He asks to sit down, Camila delivers a good burn on him by saying she didn’t think he needed permission to do what he wants. He sits and says it is good to see her. He is introduced to the others. Ah Claudio is the kid’s name. Jorge is glad that she is alive and she looks so pretty.

Later as they go upstairs, Jimena says she thinks Jorge is nice, she had the impression that he was old and fat. She even calls him handsome. Camila reminds her that he is the one who did that bad thing. Jimena says no, the kidnappers did that. Camila says Jorge started it. Let me get this straight – Jimena knows the whole story and now is saying “oh whatever, he’s so hot”? wtf. Camila says she’s just nice because he is the boss and she doesn’t want him as an enemy. Jimena says that Jorge still seems to like Camila, Camila says he likes any woman, Jimena says oh, then she has a chance! Camila says if she does that their friendship is over. Jimena plays the old “oh, I was just kidding” card. Then says someone like him wouldn’t like someone like her. I disagree, Jorge would like her just fine. As we all know.

Alberto grumps his way across the town square and comes to Jorge’s office. Jorge tells him that this super hot chick who happens to be rich and widowed is buying that house. Alberto laughs and says Jorge has decided he must have her, right? Jorge says yes, and she owes me. Jorge finally fills him in on the whole truth, that he couldn’t get it up for Camila way back when. Alberto finally puts two and two together that Camila is the widow.

I guess Camila and Jimena didn’t see the house before, just the boys. They come to the new house and are so happy, Ascanio and Jimena both say they can help work there, Camila says no, they are her brother and sister now. She tells Claudio that she would love him to stay too. He promises to come back some time. They all dance around happily like idiots.

Captain Ric now has his new short hair and nice clothes. He, Mario, and some others are riding through the forest towards San Fernando. The ladies ride in a carriage. Lis has gone off the deep end, she is just moaning about how she wishes she wasn’t blind so she could look at Ricardo.

Saintly and one of the porno twins come to Camila’s house to help her for something. She comes out to greet him and says sorry for calling but he is the only one in town who knows how to do that stuff. She needs some repairs done on the house. He of course is all too happy to help. Some lovey dovey song plays in the background.

Later Saintly is working in his shop, Camila stops by to pay. He doesn’t want it, but she says he has to accept payment or she will feel very uncomfortable. I agree. He says they are friends and he wants to be able to help her. The porno twins look on confusedly. She says if he doesn’t take the money she won’t ask him for help again. He still says no. She says take it, she has money. He says how funny, if she stayed and married him, she wouldn’t have all that money. She starts to say she’d give all the money back if…, then stops. She then says she’ll use the money to buy fabric for a new dress, Saintly says sounds like a good idea. He then inappropriately watches her walk away longer than he should.

Rita rants and raves to Justo about Saintly spending time at Camila’s house, etc. Justo has nothing to say.

Later, Justo visits Camila and says thanks for her help the mill is almost fixed. He says he’ll repay her, but she says no way. He insists. I say whatever, just wait and see if he does. He changes the subject and asks if Santiago came to the house. She explains that he fixed some stuff. He explains that Rita is jealous. Camila goes on about how she felt when she came back, but she will never start anything up with Saintly again. She won’t stay locked up so that she won’t see him, they are going to be friends. She talks about her endless pain and how it’s still fresh. Thankfully, she doesn’t cry.

Ric and his crew arrive in San Fernando. He describes everything to Lis. They stop in front of the hotel and go in to get rooms. Mario looks around and immediately spots Camila and Ascanio across the square. He tells Ric that Camila is there, Ric doesn’t see the problem with that, but Mario explains that Ascanio is also there, as well as Jimena and the older of the kids. Ric tries to remain casual about it. Ric says if she recognizes him, he’ll say she is mistaken. What about Ascanio, he’ll know for sure who he is. Mario gets excited and says, are we going to kill him? Ric says no. They have a long discussion about what they will do that I did not understand at all. Ric starts to go up to his room, Mario says he’s going to the bar. Ric doesn’t like the idea but Mario says “to get any news I can about your aunt!” Ric agrees. Mario walks around outside looking extremely suspicious, mostly because he thinks he is doing a good job looking casual. Then, of course, the first thing he does is find a hooker.

At Camila’s house they discuss Claudio returning home. Ascanio is going to leave him somewhere close, then go see his mother and explain everything and see if it’s true that they were trying to kill him. If it’s safe he’ll tell them where Claudio is. Camila gives some money. Claudio says he’ll pay her back for what she paid for his freedom, she says whatever. They are going to leave in the morning. She says she’ll miss them and again somehow we are spared her crying. It’s almost as if she got as tired of her crying as we all have. All I can say is thank you writers for giving us a break.

Justo visits Saintly at the mill. He wants to talk. I’m sure about the same thing he told Camila.

Mario enjoys a post-coitus drink. He sees a guy drinking at a table and asks if he can join him, as he is new in town and doesn’t like drinking alone. He tells the guy he is looking for a woman and the guy says ah, to be young again. Mario starts spinning his tale, that his woman left him. The old guy says they’ll betray you every time. Well now we know why he is drinking alone, he is a bigot. Mario says his woman arrived with another, a young widow named Camila. The old guy says oh yeah her, we all thought she was dead after the horrible thing that happened, Mario says what thing? Thunder starts, a storm is coming. Old guy says it’s a long story. Mario says he’s not in a hurry, he’ll stay here until the storm passes.

Lis wants to know if they can go out, Fran says they have to see what Ric says. Knock knock, it’s Ric at the door. He is going out but wants to go alone. Fran says they want to go walk around. Ric says fine, but remember Camila is around and you might see her. Fran says she hopes so, so she can tell her off. Ric sighs and says not to do that, it will ruin everything. Lis asks if she can touch him to see what he looks like now. She feels him all over his face while Fran rolls her eyes. Ric leaves, Lis swoons and gets horny thinking about Ric. Fran impatiently asks, “are we going outside or what?”

Saintly, who has made sure to have his shirt hanging open for you ladies, tells Justo that he’s sorry to give the impression of impropriety. Justo wants to know what Santiago is feeling, and get to the point, Saintly manages to completely NOT get to the point as he recollects his whole relationship with Camila and his pain when she was missing. Justo says that Rita is suffering and Saintly says what am I supposed to do, turn around when I see her? Refuse her when she asks for help? Justo says no but doesn’t offer anything else. Saintly says he knows what he has to do and he’ll do it. Justo says the doesn’t sound good enough, so Saintly says what then, do I have to leave town? Disappear? He and Justo then just stare at each other with tears in their eyes.

I give this episode an A- for having almost no crying. How refreshing.

Wednesday – Ric meets Jorge. Ursula sees him and wants him.


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Ha! You had me rolling on the floor right out the chute. Lis totally creeps me out with all her sniffing and groping. The actress is doing a good job, I'm scared of her already!

I hope Jimena doesn't do something stupid like jump in the sack with old Whore-hey, especially after Camila basically told her their friendship would be toast.

Mario is very unique-looking. If I were him and trying to be inconspicuous I would at least shave my unusual beard off. Unbraiding it isn't enough. A change in hairstyle would be good too. Surely Camila and Jimena will recognize him if he still looks like a pirate, right?

Thanks Dread Pirate Cash, I hope there are more episodes that are gloriously free of excessive weeping.
 

I vote hurray for the weeping free moments in this episode. Thanks for the great recap DreadFerroCash. I wonder if we are also in for more or less pirate free moments from here forward. I was hoping John Foreman would show up again. I'd like to see him with a hair cut or even after he's used some creme rinse. Like right after. But that's another story.

Rita looks like she is going to be a pain in the buttzky that will make us all weep. Wonder if SantiAGONY will get her preggers to shut her up... Not a lot of options for entertaining one's wifey in this town. Probably not much of a theater if any. And we know that walks down by the old mill are dangerous.

I vote hurray for a shearing of Mario's braided beard and scruffy hair. He might clean up rather nicely too.

Sylvia, I love your latest name for Whore-hey. It fits.

Happy holidays, see ya all after Wednesday night.
 

Unlike others, I think the story is moving along pretty quickly. Maybe, that's the routine -- to move along quickly, get bogged down in the middle and then move at a faster pace than most can handle toward the end.

That seemed to happen with Heridas, and others.

I'm still trying to find out who the mother of Vasco's son is. If that is a spoiler, could someone tell me where else to find out that info? I'd appreciate it.

Also, I'd like to provide complimentary remarks to Carla Estrada. I appreciate her attempting to give some depth to her telenovelas by putting the story into an issue / historical context of some sort.

How would I send her a brief electronic message? Thanks!
 

Ferro, you made my day here. I’m sitting in a hotel (about 130 miles southwest of you now), with NO Univision!! What kind of hotel doesn’t have Univision in this day and age?? But, here’s your Friday recap and I get to “see” it and enjoy it, thanks to you! It’s great as always.

“Lis more openly lusts after Captain Ric.... groping everything Ric owns, Lis is sniffing and fondling everything. Stalker!.” Ferro, I’m a teacher of the blind by trade initially (before I went into teaching the deaf), did you know that? I can’t decide if I need to shake you for this or howl in amusement. Oh, heck. I’m going for the howl. I’m guessing my two blind girlfriends from college would be doing exactly the same. ROTFLLLLLLLLL!

“fake ID. Francesca asks what the new name is and is it from somebody he killed? This angers Captain Ric and he snaps “I don’t know” and says he’ll see them later. He leaves. Lis angrily asks why she said that, Fran says because it’s true. Lis says she shouldn’t say stuff like that outside at all.” Well, Stalker Lis still has a modicum of common sense, doesn’t she?

“Saintly takes this opportunity to give her a hug that is more than friendly. They both start crying – that took what, a minute?” ROTFLLLL!!! No matter how hard you try, there’s always going to be crying here. Ferro, if you have a piece of paper near your tele, do a nightly tally of crying. Duelo had a high body count, but Pasión may have a high crying count. OTOH, if your day job has enough counting in it, ignore me. ;-)

“Lis taps around in the sand with her cane, which is hilarious.” I can’t wait to get home in a week and have a Pasión-a-thon and see this. ☺

“Ric describes the scenery to Lis” aka “audio description” –and I thought this was only happening in the 20th and 21st centuries. (Just kidding)

“I think Lis just wants any excuse to hear Ric’s voice.” True. It’s the most time she’s had with him in a decade and her hormones are on the run now, where when he left she was a kiddie. So, opening him open-ended questions will get her what she wants.

Re: Lazaro and Ric—I adored how you recapped it!

“Lis is obsessed with the fact that the other boat is named Camila.” Uh-oh, trouble in Paradise. Lis is highly auditory, and she’d pick up on the coincidence, duh.

“She talks about her endless pain and how it’s still fresh. Thankfully, she doesn’t cry.” We feel your delight, Ferro.

“Lis asks if she can touch him to see what he looks like now. She feels him all over his face while Fran rolls her eyes.” Apparently, Fran has common sense, too. My blind friends have told me this is an idea sighted folks thought up, that they want to feel everyone’s faces. Nope.

“I give this episode an A- for having almost no crying. How refreshing.” The writers have heard your cries for relief?

Sylvia- "I hope Jimena doesn't do something stupid like jump in the sack with old Whore-hey" ROTFLLL!

Jeanne
 

Cheryl NM and Sylvia, I loved your comments!

Jeanne
 

Ooops, two comments ago re: Lis asking Ric questions, should have said "asking him open-ended questions." It's late.

Jeanne
 

Terrific recap Ferro. Thanks.

mano derecha,
We haven't see the mother of Vasco's son till now. She must be dead.
 

SantiAGONY...hee hee.

Ferro, are you the one who said a quota of weeping is in Rulli's contract? You (or whoever) must be right. He's like the Margaret O'Brien of telenovelas.

Mano Derecha, I agree that it seems most telenovelas start off with a bang then bog down in the middle. However I don't think that ever happened in Alborada, Carla Estrada's last telenovela. I also really like the way she includes historical references, it's so much more fun and interesting. Her productions are by far my favorites.

Sorry, don't know how you can find out about Vasco's son's mommy or how to contact Estrada. Maybe some of our more experienced telenovela afficionados can help.
 

Thanks for the great recap with lots of humor and details. I think everyone's annoyance with all the crying is a cultural thing (Hispanic vs non Hispanic). By that I mean, ever since I started watching Spanish novelas, I've noticed that there is a lot more crying than in English soaps. Perhaps we feel that crying is a sign of weakness and loss of pride? I kinda understand the irritation expressed, but I'm fortunate that the crying doesn't bother me. I take it as part of the story. I do feel really bad for the rest of you though because I'm sure you must feel the writers are insensitive to the pain that the crying causes the majority of non Hispanic viewers.
 

It's true that Lis was right about the boat being named after Camila, but in every other way I think she really is nuts.

The worst part was when she touched him and then after he left, she sniffed her hands like she was never going to wash them again.

Sometimes I catch her looking at things, too.

Someone asked about the mother of Vasco's child. IT's not a spoiler - we don't know her 'cuz she's dead.
 

Anonymous - interesting thought on the hispanic/non-hispanic differences of opinion on crying. I don't know one way or the other on that, the only hispanic reference I have is my wife who also is irritated by the endless weeping. She doesn't have patience for that sort of thing anyway so who knows if that means anything. For me, the part that drives me nuts about it is that it often is just over the top. "I broke a nail!!!" (six minutes of horrible messy ugly crying) Also, it just bogs things down, I want to scream "cut to the next scene!" when people just sit there and sob. But I will admit completely that I am not necessarily the target viewer (36 year old American Gringo, Spanish is 2nd language), so I may be in the minority on this.

Thank you all for your nice comments, I'm glad you enjoyed my efforts!
 

hurray for recap Chris!

When Lis started the touching I cried: Don't touch him maldita sea. Grrr.... I want to touch him too!

And have you noticed that Mario is always reminding Ric that Cami is his aunt?

M. We have problems. I just saw your aunt.
R. Fran?
M. The widow...

Ah Mario you really like this! ROTFL!

Helen J.
 

Mano Derecha -- You can contact Carla Estrada through her website,www.carlaestrada.com.
 

Anonymous 12:23 you made me laugh out loud (here alone in my bed) with ". I do feel really bad for the rest of you though because I'm sure you must feel the writers are insensitive to the pain that the crying causes the majority of non Hispanic viewers. "

As a recapper I must say there is one advantage to excessive crying: nobody is ever saying anything that needs to be recapped.

I read the comments first. Then, Chris, I read your "porno twins" moniker and laughed out loud again. Love it!
 

I'm always thankful for extended action scenes. One, they are interesting, two, not much to write. The crying also leaves not much to write, but still makes me insane. I'd rather have more writing to do.
 

Mano derecha, et.al., I look for Carla Estrada produced and Monica Miquel directed telenovelas. They are always of the highest quality and usually action packed too. I am currently coming to the end of a rerun broadcast, at least here in New Mexico, of El Manantial that the twosome made in 2001. It is even modern day, but super fast moving, intricate plot with interesting characters, though some of them are so violent. Of course, Alborada is my absolute favorite!
I'm about to come off a binge of six months of watching six different TN's per week day. I am astounded at my increased ability to understand normal or rapid conversations/dialog and the vocabulary I've gained amazes my friends! ¡Viva Telenovelas!

On Vasco: We only know that he is widowed but this leaves him available, without a subplot of an unhappy wife, to play with Ursula who might really love him except he is unfortunately too poor to be a legitimate suitor. And now Ric will be the new guy in town to tantalize everyone... mmmmm!
 

There is plenty - lots - TONS of crying and hysterical behavior in U.S. soaps. (Mostly women, though; when men cry it's much more subdued.) The crying tends to be about something that would seem dire to a new viewer - i.e. someone is undergoing risky surgery, or fixin' to get murdered, etc. But after watching for a while, you realize that it's usually going to have been a false alarm.

On General Hospital a couple of years ago, there was one character who did little more than cry for an entire month thinking her boyfriend was going to die from some brain problem. She was crying ALL THE TIME. They probably had to give her IV fluids between scenes so she wouldn't get dehydrated.

My guess with the men crying in the telenovelas is that they're trying to distinguish them from the (allegedly) typical stoic macho man. "Look how sensitive this man is! Don't you wish your man was this sensitive?" LOL, not quite that sensitive, please!

I think the bottom line is, once the casting people find out you're a good crier, you're going to be crying for the rest of your career.
 

Cheryl, which shows have you been watching?
 

Very good recap...I too thought the Lis sniffing session was a bit over the tip and I don't think it had anything to do with being blind..I think it was wantin some cuzin lovin. Yes she is obsessed with Ric, but on the other hand she probably has had no contact with any other males.

About the crying..as my Mexican husband would say, it is okay to cry if your parent, child, close friend or relative dies...it is not okay to go on a crying jag everything you see an ex across a room and you sure don't sit around with other men crying about your lost love...
 

Chris,
I started out with Destilando Amor which I started first in Mexico last January and then again in March in NM. On the suggestion of my favorite Spanish Literature teacher at the Cervantes Institute, I began to watch more for practice. That led to:
Amar Sin Limites
Yo Amo a Juan Q
Esclava Isaura
El Manantial
Pecados Ajenos
and now that Esclava Isaura is over I sometimes watch Victoria with Victoria Ruffo as an older woman who gets the cutest young guy, nice, nice. I heard Eduardo Yañez say on the program on his life as an actor that he got his first big break on a TN with Victoria Ruffo. You can tell she's a real pro. It's similar to Daniella Roma or Mariana Karr walking onto the set.
 

Thanks for the all the laughs, cousin Dread Pirate Cash. I too, was so relieved to have less boohooing in this episode. Like anything in excess, the meaning can be lessened...
jb-iron jack cash
 

Beckster - "Very good recap...I too thought the Lis sniffing session was a bit over the tip and I don't think it had anything to do with being blind..I think it was wantin some cuzin lovin. Yes she is obsessed with Ric, but on the other hand she probably has had no contact with any other males."

You are so right, this has nothing to do with blindness. As I mentioned above, I taught blind children for six years (exclusively) at the beginning of my career. This character represents a pampered individual who has been overprotected, partly because she's the only offspring and partly because she's blind, but the blindness gives her the opportunity to go over the top doing things that sighted folks romanticize that blind folks do. Some of my blind and deafblind friends would be offended and amused by how they've typecast this so-called blind character. None of my friends would be sniffing visibly like that---but, we also teach the children that sighted people find this behavior different enough that it could affect social relationships, that's part of what we call the "Expanded Core Curriculum" for students with visual impairments--Social Skills. Braille is obvious, though it wasn't invented until the early 1800s so Lis isn't going to use it, plus many women didn't learn to read anyway. The cane she is using would have been unlikely and the so-called technique she is using would have been unlikely. The "sighted guide" travel technique she uses with everyone is pretty accurate even for that time but it probably was never written up in a professional journal back then because there was no profession of teaching blind students. ;-) So, what it boils down to is the writers and everyone producing are giving Lis the worst of what we sighted folks might think of in terms of how a blind person might behave....if we knew no blind people. For those of us who know blind people, this stereotype is actually a combination of amusing and offensive.

FWIW, I loved the way Ferro poked fun at the stereotyping they've done with this character who uses blindness as an excuse for touching Ric and other socially unacceptable behaviors. At least Fran rolls her eyes! I applaud Fran for this. I hope some day she calls Lis's bluff on this behavior. Ric never will because he's buying into the "she's my cross to bear, poor blind cousin who is incapable of anything, etc., etc." Lis is capable of lots of things, but she's pampered, overprotected and immature and has gotten away with a lot. She's a smart chica and uses all of this to her advantage.

My students always knew I expected their greatest efforts. One who was my student when he was 8 to 14 years old, but now is 42 or so, told me huffily last year on the phone that "these blind kids now don't know how to read." He was so grateful that I and his next teacher pushed him hard. He's right, and it's that way for a lot of reasons, but mainstreaming isn't doing some of them favors because they don't get enough Braille instruction and sighted teachers in regular classrooms might not know how much they should be expecting. That's Lis. No one has the expectations for her that they should, based on her intellect. And the writers, etc., are using it to the hilt.

Jeanne
 

Ferro~~~Thanks so much for the recap. I went out to a Christmas celebration dinner with friends and forgot that my dvd does not record if the tv is not set on the correct station. QUE THE HELL...Therefore, I did not get to see Ric's makeover or Lis sniffing and feeling up Ric....que lastima. It made me think of Rodrigooo on Destilando sniffing around Dr. Erika. Cap'n Eve~~~Love the new nickname for No-Can-Do Jorge....Whore-HEY..EXCELLENT. Jeanne```Very interesting insights into teaching and depicting the blind. I agree that Lis is just taking advantage of her situation to touch and smell Ric. In her place, I must admit that I would do the same. What ???? At least I'm honest. Ric is a hottie. Anyhoo...looks like there will be no Amar or Pasion until Wednesday. Hope everyone has a great holiday.~~~hohoho...Mad Bess Kidd/Susylynn
 

Well, Mad Bess/Susanlynn, all that pedagogy in education of the visually impaired aside, if I had some reason to get that close to Ric....yup, I'm with you, I'd be right in there up close and way too personal.

Jeanne
 

Dr. Erika - that was Paty Manterola, right? In that case any pretext for getting anywhere near her is completelly acceptable.
 

I suppose if that was a way to touch and smell Ric I'd do the same thing too. What a sexy man. Glad that there was less crying in this episode.
 

Ferro~~~People took issue with Rodrigooo's sniffing the good doctor a little TOO vigorously and openly [he was not blind, but he did wear reading glasses on occasion] ...I, personally, forgave Rod for all his eccenricities [ the aforementioned sniffing and being a jealous stalking asshat ] because...well, call me shallow Mad Bess Kidd, but ....Eduardo is finelooking.
 

Thanks, Madd Mary Rack o' Lamb, for the link to Carla Estrada - much appreciated!

Also, I appreciate the mention of El Manantial by Cheryl Mar Para NMex, and will look for it on DVD.

This is a great blog community.
 

I have been watching El Mantial too, which I missed the first time around. It ends on Thursday. I'm so glad that Telefutura replays these things. I have really enjoyed it. I like the fact that Carla has a group of actors that are always good. This one included Adela Noriega and Mauricio Islas from Amor Real, and Daniela Romo and the actor who played Felipe in Alborada (I think his last name is Tomassi). And I think she has really got the pacing down so that you don't have that horrible boring void in the middle (when I try to find something else).

Victoria is a refrito, and I saw the original, which was called Mirada de Mujer. It was really good. I have checked in on Victoria a couple of times, but I don't think I would watch it because I don't like Victoria Ruffo. I haven't figured out why, but she turns me off. Also, the guy in this one seems awfully young, young enough that it streches credibility. The guy in Mirada de Mujer was younger than Anjelica Aragon, but not that much younger. That was the first time I ever saw Barbara Mori in a telenovela. She played her teenage daughter. She has certainly gone on to bigger and better things, like Rubi.
 

Great recap. Without the interpretations by the recappers, so much of what's happening would be way over my head. So, about the crying, I don't find it in excess for the occasion. On the other hand, I'm grateful for the time and effort the recappers put into presenting us with their interpretations and points of view. That old song "A man aint supposed to cry" makes me think that it's more macho than cultural. Call me crazy, but for me there's something sexy about a man crying. When Santi cries I wish I could lend my shoulder for him to cry on.
 

I'm going to be cynical and say that you would lend Santiago your shoulder because he looks like he looks. I'm not judging, put Camila back in her Babe Lawyer clothes/hair and I would be much more tolerant of her endless weeping. There could be a show called "Marlene Favela wears a bikini and cries a lot" and I would watch it every day. I would complain, but I'd keep watching.
 

Ferro~~~Cut-it-out >>bikini + crying...ha. At least you are totally honest and above board...I can appreciate that. As for men crying, I saw my dad cry only once...when I gave him a portrait that I had drawn of my daughter when she was about age 2. I've seen hub cry only a couple times [once when the garage door fell on his new Mustang...but that's a long story ...]Saintly, I get bored. I always think...instead of crying...why don't you DO something. It's my pragmatic nature , I suppose. I like the strong, silent, stoic John Wayne types....but I'm fine with the hero crying on the INSIDE...Saintly should try that some time.
 

Thank you for the great recap! Hilarious as always!

I was very annoyed by Jimena 's reaction as far as Jorge is concerned. As much as I like Jimena, I think that it is at least inexcusable that she told her close friend that the man by whom she was almost raped is very cute and nice and yes, I would like him to take a chance with me.

Jeanne - thank you very much for the analysis on Liz and her blindness. That explained a lot. Generally, I really appreciate your comments. I like that you put the sentences on quotes and then make your comment. I am sure that you are great tutor!

Sorry for the mistakes.

Sophia from Greece
 

Jorge is a fun character to watch, but there must be something wrong with Jimena if she finds Jorge attractive in any way. Especially after hanging around with Ascanio and Claudio for all this time.

On the other hand, if it were not for women like Jimena who have terrible taste in men, there'd be fewer good ones to go around for the rest of us.
 

Captain Nickel Julie - You are right about women with terrible taste in men! Unfortunately there are also women like Cami or Lety with great taste...

Yesterday, "contra vento y marea" with Sebastian Rulli and Marlene Favela started here. Has anyone seen it? Is it any good?

Sophia from Greece
 

Sophia from Greece, you are welcome. My hope is that some of the stereotypes can be erased so teachers will have high expectations for students, but these kinds of characters tend to turn around progress we have made. (sigh)

Jeanne
 

Thanks Ferro, I love your recaps.

Cheryl Mar Para NMex - I really enjoy that you share your experience of learning the spanish language. It's something I'm really interested in and working on. I believe you've commented that you will be in Mexico in January - my husband and I are spending 8 days in Mexico City in January. If you spot an embarrassingly gringo couple while you are there, it just might be us! :)

Schoolmarm-in-Black - I also found your insight into the blind very informative. Thanks!

I'm loving Pasion now, but even if I wasn't I would check in here for the educational perks.
 

rhonda from SL

:-)
 

anayanomos said that spanish soaps do more crying. She is so right. I never saw such crying as the people on spanish soaps do. Also women on the spanish soaps all dress so revealing. American women on the soaps don't dress anywhere near as seductive.

Question. How come passion has a lot of readers in the caray caray forums and so did La fea and Destilando and I think they were and are on, at 9:00. Amar sin limites which is really good, gets 5-6 comments??? Is it because it is earlier in the evening and that more people turn the tv on at 9:00 then 8:00 ????
 

Lack of comments on the others could be that many people are not watching anything but Pasion. I only watch one telenovela at a time, and right now Pasion is it.
 

The only novela I'm watching is Pasion too and I'm loving it so far.
 

Jeanne,
I like so many commenters above am totally fascinated with the information you have given us from your training and work experiences with blind and deaf students including common misconceptions of blindness. I know with deafness too that many people have barely conscious/or unconscious expectations about the abilities and native intelligence of people that cannot take part in our world the same way a sighted or hearing person would. It's a big mistake to assume these folks are in any way lesser. So many people are able to develop their remaining senses far beyond normal to a brilliance we can all learn from. I wish the writers of Pasión would develop this theme better but as Beckster pointed out, our Lisabeta is totally smitten with cousin Ric and would probably be developing some other bad habits if not the sniffing one. I didn't know the face touching was a myth except I remember riding a particular bus to work in Boston for several years and a blind couple would also frequently ride. They didn't appear to want to touch other people at all. They instead would engage other people they knew or each other in fascinating conversation, they were both so intelligent. It's good to get these unfortunate myths dispelled that put unwarranted limits on people. Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge with us.

Another comment on the crying, last night I watched two movies with the brilliant Mexixcan comedian, "Cantinflas", Mario Mareno Reyes, from the 1950's. In one scene he was explaining to a young boy who has no father that men do not cry, it's unmanly. All the while, big tears are rolling down his face with compassion for this unfortunate moppet. It was really a sweet and funny scene.
 

Cheryl, it sounds like the blind couple you met were a very typical pair who had a good education and family support, plus were very capable folks. Just like we all hope our children and grandchildren will grow up to be. This is what I hope for all the students with whom I work. Television rarely does a lot to support the positive views, though, and my experience with telenovelas so far is that they are the worst at negative portrayals of people with disabilities. But, of course, they deal with times past and EVERYONE had negative stereotypes. My favorites are the historical ones (usually) and the negative views were held by everyone, historically.

One of my deafblind friends who is pretty elderly now knew Helen Keller quite well back in the 1940s and 1950s. He describes her as overprotected, though brilliant (the latter we all know about her) and she could be a real "brat" when she felt like it. These sides of her don't get much play in books or movies. But the behaviors he described were definitely what we would call spoiled. It comes from being sheltered and having everyone around you solve the problems before you know the problems existed, or prevent the problems from happening in the first place. Not allowing a blind child, or deaf or deafblind child, face problems does not do the child favors in the long run. That's no different than for any child.

Jeanne
 

Dunno if this is a useful comment or not but sometimes in here people post that they have missed an ep due to weather, machine settings, traveling, etc. I missem all bcs I now live where there's no univision on free tv (and when I first arrived it wasn't on the hotel's 70+ channels either). What I do, here at the library's free internet, is -- go to youtube and type pasion colunga and look at anything that was posted over 3 months ago so I take no chances of seeing anything newer. (It began on tv in mexico nearly 3 months before it started in usa so that seemed the safe thing to do.)
/mab
 

Great recap and wonderful comments!

I think the reason there is so much crying is because there is so little writing. As I griped before, this is all action and no character development. Plus nobody in this tale seems to have a backstory except our pirate and the now-expired Tim. I think the writers/director believe that if the actors cry, we will feel sad. Obviously it’s not working. We have to really get into the characters to be touched.
 

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