Tuesday, January 08, 2008
Pasión, 01/07/08: When You Kiss and Don't Tell
Mario corners Jimena and tells her he is there to give her the truth about him and his boss. Whether she believes him or not it’s all the same to him. So she listens while he tells her Ric is a loyal subject of the King of Spain who is there spying for the Spanish Crown. Ric’s supposed mission was to join up with pirates and track their movements to try to help protect the Spanish fleet. Jimena doesn’t believe a word since they didn’t lift a finger to stop people from being sold into slavery. He solemnly tells her that at times in this line of work one is forced to do heartbreaking things.
Mario explains then how he and Ric arrived too late to help the two of them and how Lazaro was given the money to buy the two boys back but pocketed the money instead. “We’ve already sent for him and when he arrives, I swear I’ll skin him alive myself!” She’s still skeptical so he asks her if she hasn’t taken even a coin here or there to help stave off hunger. She admits once or twice, but insists she never stole or murdered and always tried to remain honest. Mario tells her he was a pirate till he met El Antillano who befriended him and made him his assistant.
Back in Cami’s dressing room the two women discuss Mario’s story. They decide that men tell lies because it’s in their nature to, so this is probably a whopper too. Outside Cami’s gate Mario tells Ric what he told Jimena. Ric figures the two women won’t believe a word of it so Mario suggests he show Cami his letter from his godfather, Don Gaspar.
Ric chats a bit with Cami about his trip and then gets down to it: he mentions that he knows she realized from the first he was El Antillano. She is frightened and admits it then asks if he’s intending to kill her. He smiles mysteriously. (Makes you wonder if Ric really sort of enjoys his role as a pirate despite what he tells Mario. It's a big rush, this fear factor thing.) Ric shows Cami the letter from his godfather, Don Gaspar.
Cami says it doesn’t say a word about him being a spy. He laughs since of course it wouldn’t. She tells him she’d always figured he was the real thing, particularly because of the shocking, cold-blooded way he killed that man who’d challenged him. Ric says that in that life nobody is allowed to be weak or hesitant. Otherwise, they don’t obey you and if they suspect fear or scruples of any sort they’ll kill you. Cami then reasons that he’s only there at the request of Lis’ really real pirate cousin. He says yes and because he’s a family friend. So, she’s still confused and doesn’t know what to believe.
They commiserate about the two boys and their mother’s fate. Ric, feeling guilty, explains again that he was trying to arrange their return to Mexico but that he mistakenly chose the wrong man for the task. Cami wants to know why he was so kind to them, even giving her his handkerchief. Ric answers her by explaining how cruel, barbaric and hopeless that kind of existence is to anyone who must survive it. It is kill or be killed and one must shield himself with indifference if he is to avoid going crazy.
Ric tells Cami that his boss, an English corsair, had ordered him for the first time to transport human cargo. When she and the others arrived at the bay that day, he felt sorrow and shame and tried to help them then but as it turned out he couldn’t. As regards her in particular he can tell her the truth or he can disguise it. She want’s the truth: she caught his attention ever since he first saw her there, not only because of her beauty, but because she had shown pride and spirit. He continued to stare at her till he had decided to speak to her. The handkerchief gave him an opportunity to approach her and he'd have appreciated some better response.
Cami laughs at that (right along with me) saying Ric might have saved her from being sold off, but he would have taken her to his cabin and done as he’d wanted with her till he tired of her. He answers that he might have fallen in love, too. She laughs again and asks if he’s flattering her just to make certain she doesn’t turn him in to the authorities. Ric laughs, reminding her of his letter from the prelate. Cami says it’s probably false. He says, well then, go ahead and tell Don Jorge and see what happens, if you don’t believe me. She backs down at that.
Meanwhile, Ascanio and Jimena have been trying to convince Claudio to go out with Ascanio to a whorehouse or for a drink or something to make sure he doesn’t see El Antillano speaking with Camila and go nuts about it. (This is obviously still a few years before the phrase "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" takes on meaning.)
Cami is still worried about the letter and Ric tells her it’s best in these matters to wait and see what develops then worry about how to handle it all. She wonders if he’s going to betray his cousin by helping her and he says he has enough to take care of Lis and the rest of them all and then some, but if Cami loses her inheritance then she’s has serious problems.
Cami wonders if that’s his only reason and he pulls her near and grabs her hand. It’s because he’s attracted to her, he says, and tells her that she knows it’s more than just a simple attraction. Then he bends in and kisses her gently. Cami, obviously, still uselessly holding the proverbial torch for Saintly, tries to resist kissing Ric –the absolute essence of early 18th century Alpha male--but only for a couple of seconds. Yes, she, like any self-respecting female, gives in to both pragmatic necessity and her female curiosity, begging the question: is this what Jimena would call “will-power”?
Ric tells her she may abhor him even more after all he’s said, and sure he’s trying to seduce her, but it’s because he is falling in love with her. So, he’s probably told her too much and now she holds his life in her hands. It’s up to her to decide if she’ll turn him in or not.
Unfortunately Claudio won’t budge and Jimena runs inside to tell them both. Ric says it’s time he goes out and faces him. Cami is worried Claudio may denounce Ric, but he says he’s dodged worse situations before now. They come outside and Claudo sees that it is El Antillano. She tells Claudio to listen to him.
Ric speaks with Claudio and explains Lazaro's betrayal and tells him that if his cousin is responsible he will pay for what he’s done. Claudio says it’s his job to kill him, but Ric tells him he’s too young to dirty his hands and they’re done discussing it. Claudio agrees. Ascanio walks Ric outside the gate and as Ric leaves he warns him not to tell them that he’s Ricardo de Salamanca. Ascanio says no problem and goes back inside the courtyard. Ric and Mario head off to spend the night in the hacienda they’re leasing.
Ascanio listens to Cami tell the others about Ric’s letter and his being a spy for the Spanish King and goes along with it. They decide El Antillano must be telling the truth and so there is no reason to turn him in to the authorities.
That night while getting ready for bed Jimena tells Cami that she seemed hot for Ric, but Cami says no, it was only a sense of relief and she’s willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Jime asks what Ric wants in exchange for his help and Cami says nothing at all. Jime tells her that nobody gives something for nothing. Cami just looks dreamily out into space.
At the hacienda later that night, Ric confesses to Mario about being uneasy. He is worried, since he is falling in love for the first time. He believes Cami feels something also. Mario warns him she probably hasn’t forgotten her blacksmith. Ric says true. Whatever it is that certain women have, she’s got it and he's going to make her his wife whatever it takes. (Now this is the side of Ric that we’ve all been waitin’ for! Though, for my money, he’s been a little too slow on the uptake.) Mario says she’s no different from all the other women who’ve fallen for his charms. Ric insists that Camila is not like any of the other women he’s been with and smiles to himself.
The next day Mario waits for Ascanio outside the gate and asks what the women decided. Ascanio assures him they decided not to turn Ric into the authorities. Mario asks Ascanio to explain why he hasn’t gone himself to the authorities since Ric is an accused murderer. Perhaps he saw something or found out something? Ascanio denies any of that and walks off in a huff.
Lis and Aunt Fran decide to look for Ric at the inn because he didn’t visit them once he returned to town. They run into Ascanio walking toward them. They find out he came up with Cami and think he’s still her servant. Lis asks him not to betray Ric. He tells her that he won’t and leaves.
Mario meets Ric with the good news from Ascanio. He says, though, that he still has a gut feeling that Ascanio’s hiding something and offers to lop off his ear to get at the truth. Ric tells him no savagery allowed this time.
Sofia hands over the doctor's letter to Justo to destroy it. She says it’s her way of trying to make up for all the misfortune Camila has had to endure because of her husband. They have a chat and she tells him that she cannot get it out of her head that Santi could be Jorge’s son. Justo looks reasonably impactado.
Around then both Chip 'n Dale enter Ric's new diggs to make the repairs Ric contracted with Santi for as Ric heads off the property.
Cami arrives at the mill with lunch for Justo, but she runs into Santiago there, who's doing a job for him. Cami offers him the lunch and they go out beside the main road for a picnic. Santi begins to speak about his continued love for her. She is impactada and guilty, no doubt because of her kissing Ric the night before. She says it might be better if she gets married but he objects and says she’s the only woman in his life and he would die if she married anyone else. (That’s it. She’s got to be miserable if he is, I suppose; and what’s he supposed to do with GRita? What is Cami supposed to do? She's supposed to remain alone and turn into a dried up old spinster, I guess.) He kisses her and says he couldn’t bear for anything to separate them again, but she gets up and insists they are separated.
Santi says not as long as she’s in his arms and he ends up by kissing and caressing her passionately. (I can’t believe they still haven’t gotten past kissy-face by now. How in the world could Saintly still save it like that and why in the world would Cami want to? Who in the world is she savin’ it for? Besides, she has nothing left to actually save, when you get right down to it, considering the rape. Maybe Ric made more of an impression on her than she wants to admit.) Ric just happens to be walking by at that moment. (After all, the picnic is on the main drag and Santi wasn’t exactly thinking "discreet" at this point.) Ric surprises the two of them.
Ric snidely yells at Cami that if a child was that important to her then she should have told him so; he could give her one and he isn't married to her sister. (This pirate is great at verbal cuts as well as physical ones, it seems.) The now, not-so-saintly-appearing-Santi, with the force of all that built up sexual tension of his, pounces on Ric, landing a punch to Ric's right jaw. Ric knocks him down and starts to go after him, but Cami stops the fight between the two of them. She tells him that he was acting mean and for nothing. Ric looks at her questioningly and says, “Nothing?” She answers, “What’s it to you?” “--Right, nothing,” he answers and turns and walks back the way he came --but you can tell the pirate in him would have slit Santi’s throat if he’d been on a boat.
Santiago wonders what was the matter with the guy, and who the heck he thought he was. Of course, Cami doesn’t explain that perhaps Ric thought that she and he were an item now, instead,since she’d kissed him the night before. She just says it’s best this happened since it probably prevented them from doing something they’d greatly regret. Santi promises not to lose control again but she says that’s what he said before. Besides, they could swear to all the saints, to God and the Virgin Mary, but sooner or later they’d do the deed and that would be that. It’s better they never see each other again. She runs off and he’s left with his heart in his mouth , confused and as sexually frustrated as ever.
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Justo goes home and throws the infamous ED letter into the fireplace. He distracts the cook by walking off with her with some excuse. However, a boiling pot spills over and puts out the fire before the whole letter is burned up.
Sofia admits to Jorge having stolen the letter, tells him she’s already destroyed it and cannot hand it over to him. Then she explains to him that Cami isn't interested in the money, only her freedom and how if it is used to invalidate her marriage she would lose her fortune and become a slave again. The wheels start turning in Jorge’s head.
Jorge tells LaFont what Sofia did and why. Then he and LaFont tell Lis and Fran that the letter probably wouldn’t turn up. Jorge suggests that he’ll order the doctor to send another, he’ll even pay the man himself. They simply should be discreet and not tell anybody what they’ve decided to do, not even Ric. Lis is reluctant at first, but LaFont, who obviously speaks from extensive personal experience, persuades her by saying "There are things you do you wouldn’t tell even your own shadow."
Paco finds the doctor's letter with a portion still in tact containing a few sentences and the doctor's signature. He holds onto it and plays with it.
GRita comes in to speak with Santi and notices the bruise on his mouth and right away suspects he was fighting with de Carvajal over her sister. He tries to avoid the argument, but she keeps badgering him. Exasperated, he tells her that de Carvejal insulted her sister, that he told her he’d give her a child if she wanted one so badly. So they fought about that.
It doesn’t make sense to GRita who says the guy had to have seen something to make a remark like that, but Santi, angrily insists nothing happened, since he's still lusting in his heart and doesn’t dare admit to those stolen kisses. GRita tells him she knows he can’t stand to have Camila with another man. She insists de Carvejal had to have seen them together and accuses him of sleeping with her. He tells her about Cami finding him at her father’s mill while he was working on a project for him, then how the guy just showed up all of a sudden and said what he said, conveniently omitting the racy picnic lunch on the side of the main road into town that caused the ruckus. He tells her again that nothing happened and that he’s getting tired of her and this. He has murder in his eyes when he warns her off this time. She stands there and she asks what’s that supposed to mean? He just stares at her, menacingly.
Cami returns home and Jimena loads her with complaints about Cleotilde and gossip about how Claudio has turned Ric into his idol. Cami breaks down and tells Jimena about the kiss from Ric. She explains that she didn’t tell her friend before because she was ashamed of it. Jimena thinks it’s great and asks Cami if she liked it. Cami is in no mood and tells her not to ask questions like that. Besides it isn’t an easy one to answer. There has only been one man in her life and she knows who that is.
Cami feels she should have pushed Ric away and acted indignant, but she couldn’t. She acted like a fool. Jimena says she’d have acted like a fool too if a guy like him had kissed her. Cami says she let him because of everything that's happened in her life so far: her sister’s jealousy, Don Jorge’s actions, her problems with Santiago. (At this point it seems she may have left out the entire incident of the racy picnic in her story.) Cami says she has to set up a barrier, to put an ocean between her and Santi. That would mean a husband. Jimena suggests El Antillano, but Cami says it can be anyone other than El Antillano. It absolutely cannot not be him!
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I wonder if the whole burned letter thing is a plot device to expose Rita. After all, Lis and Fran are already going to get another one. Maybe the "frolicing dirt child" (to borrow from Invader Zim) will come to the house from the direction of THE TREE holding the tattered pieces of parchment. Rita will see it and freak out, thinking it's Cami's letter: "Give me that damned letter, you vicious brat!" This will be witnessed by one or more people who will wonder what's up with Rita. I can't wait for her to be exposed! Wishful thinking, I guess!
Tani
Tani
Permalink posted by 
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 7:21:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 7:21:00 AM EST
Bummer!!! Missed "The Kiss" last night but came in for the fight with Saintly & Hot Ric. Why the heck didn't they strip off their shirts & give us something to watch with glee? Way too much clothing on the men. If guys can get Victoria's Secrets soft porn ads, why can't we get these guys to at least show some buff bods? BTW, love the "ED card" comments!
M from CT :-)
M from CT :-)
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:30:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:30:00 AM EST
Great recap and great episode. I think it is the best episode, so far. I am definitely going to watch the scene with the kiss between Cami and Ric.
Ok, I have to ask: I haven 't understand who is Paco? Is he one of the twins? And who are the twins? If I am not wrong, you call them porno twins because of the leather clothes that they wear - someone mentioned it yesterday.
Ok, I have to ask: I haven 't understand who is Paco? Is he one of the twins? And who are the twins? If I am not wrong, you call them porno twins because of the leather clothes that they wear - someone mentioned it yesterday.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:46:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:46:00 AM EST
Paco is Vasco's ankle biter (really bad hair & he's always running around dirty & barefoot).
M from CT
M from CT
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:48:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:48:00 AM EST
Sophia: Paco is Vasco's little 8 year old boy. The twins who you reminded me I'd left out are now back in the storyline. Sorry. They are the two twin blacksmiths who work with Santiago, and yes all three could be great male stippers!!
Thank you both for clearing this up. I visited esmas.com and I saw some great pictures. Jimena and Lis are very beautiful women and I don 't like Vasco. You may call me crazy but I think Alberto is attractive.
I did 't want to visit esmas because I was afraid that there would be spoilers - and unfortunately I was right. At least now I know how all of them look like.
I did 't want to visit esmas because I was afraid that there would be spoilers - and unfortunately I was right. At least now I know how all of them look like.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 9:27:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 9:27:00 AM EST
Thanks, Jardinera, for the great recap. Like Camila, I am confused. I guess Ric admitted to her that he was indeed a pirate but not the pirate cousin of Lis. Why ??? What's the diff ?? Also, the letter that he carries is really from his godfather, right? The kiss was good, but it should have been longer. Come on , Ric...turn it on...less speeches and more kissing. However, that was a pretty good speech about a pirate's life. I enjoyed Ric smacking Saintly. Pirates 1, Blacksmiths 0. I also got a chuckle out of Saintly lifting that poor horse's leg while glaring at Rita through his tousled locks. I hope that no horses were harmed by these pseudosmithies. It was nice to see Chip N Dale even fleetingly. I LOVE MARIO. He is one of those guys who lie to you and you know it but you just can't help loving them. Someone should take care of that poor little boy. I thought that he might try to bury the letter fragment under THE TREE and pull out THE LETTER Camila sent and Rita buried . Okay, Camila says she'll marry anyone but RIC...so that leaves Ascanio o o o [my personal choice] and Chip N Dale...or LaFont [bah]...or the hotel clerk if he is single. Would Camila being married to Ric's uncle make it imnpossible for them to marry ?? Didn't some cultures have prohibitions on marrying inlaws ???
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 9:44:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 9:44:00 AM EST
The actress who plays GRita is doing a great job. I wanted to leap through the TV and strangle her myself. What a shrew! Whoever said she is a wet blanket is correct. She's terminal. I agree with Tani, I hope she goes bonkers over the parchment and gives herself away.
Santi has turned into quite the ragamuffin lately. That, along with his increasingly irrational behavior, is beginning to make him into a major turn-off.
Mario was showing off for Jimena. Funny stuff that.
Sophia, the guy who plays Vasco was in a telenovela called Acorralada which was recapped here. The few times I watched it all his character did was lounge around in a speedo. So basically he was thoroughly captivating.
Mad Bess, if not Ric then slim pickins for Camila indeed! LaFont...ew gross, it would REALLY irritate Whore-hey but it's too icky to imagine. Ascanio might balk because he's got that thing about being a kept man, yawn. Too bad.
Thanks Jardinera! Excellent recap with very clear details on the conversations. It's very helpful.
Santi has turned into quite the ragamuffin lately. That, along with his increasingly irrational behavior, is beginning to make him into a major turn-off.
Mario was showing off for Jimena. Funny stuff that.
Sophia, the guy who plays Vasco was in a telenovela called Acorralada which was recapped here. The few times I watched it all his character did was lounge around in a speedo. So basically he was thoroughly captivating.
Mad Bess, if not Ric then slim pickins for Camila indeed! LaFont...ew gross, it would REALLY irritate Whore-hey but it's too icky to imagine. Ascanio might balk because he's got that thing about being a kept man, yawn. Too bad.
Thanks Jardinera! Excellent recap with very clear details on the conversations. It's very helpful.
Ha! I had a similar thought about the letter - that gRita would overhear them discussing a letter that had been found, and what to do about it, and then hang herself.
Or that she would see Vasco Jr. playing with the remains of a letter and murder him to keep him quiet. (I'm only 40% joking.)
I also thought it was weird and confusing for Ric to admit that he's the pirate Cami met before, but not the same pirate as Lis's cousin. It must have something to do with that murder rap.
Or that she would see Vasco Jr. playing with the remains of a letter and murder him to keep him quiet. (I'm only 40% joking.)
I also thought it was weird and confusing for Ric to admit that he's the pirate Cami met before, but not the same pirate as Lis's cousin. It must have something to do with that murder rap.
Whoa - another possibility is that gRita finds the ED letter and tries to blackmail Cami and/or Santi with it. Especially now that the little stick has turned blue (in the previews for tonight's episode).
Great episode- Great recap.
for Sophia my compatriot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DffuZ0GC5oc
Helen J.
for Sophia my compatriot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DffuZ0GC5oc
Helen J.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 10:40:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 10:40:00 AM EST
I am still remembering when Hawt Dangerous Ricardo made those two short slashes at his neck pronouncing the death sentence on Lazaro. And after that short fight with Saintly when he got to the hotel and ordered a bath prepared I was hoping Mario would arrive with Lazaro. Aaar.rrr.
Ricardo, and me too, have not arrived at that 'gentle man' that Cami told Jimena she wants.
If GRita finds the letter she could send her sister back into slavery which would make her feel safer than having Cami married but living just down the street.
Ricardo, and me too, have not arrived at that 'gentle man' that Cami told Jimena she wants.
If GRita finds the letter she could send her sister back into slavery which would make her feel safer than having Cami married but living just down the street.
Sylvia, I used the term 'wet blanket' for GRita at one point, she proves that to be more and more true with each appearance. Funny thing is NOW she has a point to her whining, but at first she didn't. She managed to nag him into doing just what she didn't want him to do. Hint for the ladies - On the list of things that men hate and things that will make men do the opposite of what you want, nagging is right near the top. Also up there - any type of emotional blackmail (withholding affection, etc). I suppose the same could be true the other way around, though I don't think men nag as much. We're too busy doing all those things like watching sports that we get nagged about.
I too expected Paco of the horrible hair to go and dig up Camila's letter from way back when, perhaps he had found it previously and was now putting together a 'shredded letter' collection. This may still come to pass.
I also want you ladies to know that Santiago is just as annoying from a male perspective. I know he's a fictional character, but him telling Camila she has to stay single just so he can carry a torch gives the rest of us a bad name. What an ass. Sure, that's fair. Don't get married, while I will stay married and occasionally make you uncomfortable with lustful talk. C'mon, it will work out great. He is turning into a real loser.
I too expected Paco of the horrible hair to go and dig up Camila's letter from way back when, perhaps he had found it previously and was now putting together a 'shredded letter' collection. This may still come to pass.
I also want you ladies to know that Santiago is just as annoying from a male perspective. I know he's a fictional character, but him telling Camila she has to stay single just so he can carry a torch gives the rest of us a bad name. What an ass. Sure, that's fair. Don't get married, while I will stay married and occasionally make you uncomfortable with lustful talk. C'mon, it will work out great. He is turning into a real loser.
"...him telling Camila she has to stay single just so he can carry a torch gives the rest of us a bad name...."
Thank you Ferro! and I really appreciate that explanation for why he would say such a thing. I await the moment Cami asks: Are you sleeping with your wife?
Cpt. Bonney Morgan
Thank you Ferro! and I really appreciate that explanation for why he would say such a thing. I await the moment Cami asks: Are you sleeping with your wife?
Cpt. Bonney Morgan
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 11:04:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 11:04:00 AM EST
Thanks for the link Helen J.
The kiss was great. Rita is hysteric, I thought she would turn red and then blue and she would drop dead.
I realized that I hadn 't seen Colunga acting for 10 years since Maria la del Barrio and I had never heard his real voice.
I hope Grita won 't blackmale them with the letter.
Cap 'n Sylvia -"The guy who plays Vasco ... captivating" LOL!! I am planning to find the time to read "Acorralada" and "Heridas de Amor" someday.
The kiss was great. Rita is hysteric, I thought she would turn red and then blue and she would drop dead.
I realized that I hadn 't seen Colunga acting for 10 years since Maria la del Barrio and I had never heard his real voice.
I hope Grita won 't blackmale them with the letter.
Cap 'n Sylvia -"The guy who plays Vasco ... captivating" LOL!! I am planning to find the time to read "Acorralada" and "Heridas de Amor" someday.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 11:48:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 11:48:00 AM EST
happy new year everyone :) i just got back from my caribbean vacation and am sad to be confronted with reality...but oh well, reading these recaps always sheer me up ;)
jardinera-- thank u that was wonderful! this was my fav sentence: "Yes, she, like any self-respecting female, gives in to both pragmatic necessity and her female curiosity, begging the question: is this what Jimena would call “will-power”?" brilliant :)
mad bess and julie-- remember that there is general knowledge about lis' cousin ricardo de salamanca, known as a criminal who deliberately became a pirate, betrayed the spanish crown & will be hanged if caught on spanish territory (aka san fernando). so i think 1) ricky is trying to protect himself by covering up his true identity from everyone. she already knows he's a pirate, so he can't deny that and is instead resorting to the excuse that yes he is a pirate, but not the evil ricardo de salamanca. 2) he is scared that cami will reject him if she knows the truth. cami was married to old timmy in la mariana has heard (surely all bad things) of ricardo de salamanca. so he doesn't want cami to think of him as a bad pirate, but rather a good pirate. in a way he is kind of telling her the truth: he is not doing this out of free will. but i don't think he's ready to tell her who he really is.
jardinera-- thank u that was wonderful! this was my fav sentence: "Yes, she, like any self-respecting female, gives in to both pragmatic necessity and her female curiosity, begging the question: is this what Jimena would call “will-power”?" brilliant :)
mad bess and julie-- remember that there is general knowledge about lis' cousin ricardo de salamanca, known as a criminal who deliberately became a pirate, betrayed the spanish crown & will be hanged if caught on spanish territory (aka san fernando). so i think 1) ricky is trying to protect himself by covering up his true identity from everyone. she already knows he's a pirate, so he can't deny that and is instead resorting to the excuse that yes he is a pirate, but not the evil ricardo de salamanca. 2) he is scared that cami will reject him if she knows the truth. cami was married to old timmy in la mariana has heard (surely all bad things) of ricardo de salamanca. so he doesn't want cami to think of him as a bad pirate, but rather a good pirate. in a way he is kind of telling her the truth: he is not doing this out of free will. but i don't think he's ready to tell her who he really is.
Thanks, Tash. I didn't realize Ric's bad rep was so well-known; in that case, it all makes sense. Ric's stopping just short of offering them his head, then.
I know Claudio totally believes him, and Ascanio knows better, but what about Gavi and Jimena? I couldn't tell if they really believed him, or were just agreeing to go along with it so as not to upset Claudio.
I know Claudio totally believes him, and Ascanio knows better, but what about Gavi and Jimena? I couldn't tell if they really believed him, or were just agreeing to go along with it so as not to upset Claudio.
julie -- i think it's a dangerous move too, especially since jorge mentioned ricardo de salamanca during their welcome dinner. yikes!
hmmm...i think cami, claudio and jimena believe him. before he told cami the story, they only knew that he was the pirate that sold them in las marianas. but seems to me like cami believes the story that he is there to spy on the bad pirates. ascanio knows the truth because he knows him from back in las marianas. but ascanio also promised not to turn him in, so he will be playing along. i feel bad for ascanio...it starts getting dangerous when you know so many secrets :-0
hmmm...i think cami, claudio and jimena believe him. before he told cami the story, they only knew that he was the pirate that sold them in las marianas. but seems to me like cami believes the story that he is there to spy on the bad pirates. ascanio knows the truth because he knows him from back in las marianas. but ascanio also promised not to turn him in, so he will be playing along. i feel bad for ascanio...it starts getting dangerous when you know so many secrets :-0
For some reason Ascanio protects Ricardo. I think we are going to find why.
And there is something with the letters in this telenovela.
HJ
And there is something with the letters in this telenovela.
HJ
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 3:31:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 3:31:00 PM EST
I was glad to finally see Ric turn up the heat and kiss Camila. The line he said to her when he came upon her and Santi kissing was hysterical. Santi would've certainly been a dead man if Camila hadn't broken up the fight. I really don't like Santi. He's a loser.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 3:43:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 3:43:00 PM EST
Yes, something about letters in this show.
Here are some things that I predict -
1) Camila's letter from Tim's house will reappear, Paco of the horrible hair may or may not be involved in its discovery. The ED card remnants will come back to haunt people too, obviously.
2)Ascanio knows way more than he is letting on. He knows some facts about Ric's alleged murder that he isn't sharing yet.
3)Jimena has some big secret about her former life that she is trying to hide. We know nothing about her.
4)Justo will be involved in either a current affair or a past affair will be unearthed between him and either Sofia or Ofelia (or both).
5)Vasco will end up with the wrong crowd somewhere and do something really, regretfully stupid.
6)This one everyone knows - the Camila/Ric/Santiago love triangle will frustrate and anger us until the last minutes of the Gran Final in three months.
Here are some things that I predict -
1) Camila's letter from Tim's house will reappear, Paco of the horrible hair may or may not be involved in its discovery. The ED card remnants will come back to haunt people too, obviously.
2)Ascanio knows way more than he is letting on. He knows some facts about Ric's alleged murder that he isn't sharing yet.
3)Jimena has some big secret about her former life that she is trying to hide. We know nothing about her.
4)Justo will be involved in either a current affair or a past affair will be unearthed between him and either Sofia or Ofelia (or both).
5)Vasco will end up with the wrong crowd somewhere and do something really, regretfully stupid.
6)This one everyone knows - the Camila/Ric/Santiago love triangle will frustrate and anger us until the last minutes of the Gran Final in three months.
Before anyone asks, my predictions are all guesses - I do NOT look ahead on esmas for spoilers. Just in case anyone was worried about that. I am very anti-spoiler and very pro-prediction.
Career note for Saintly: when blacksmithing horseshoes, they need to be red hot. Pounding on cold iron doesn’t do anything. Of course, then you would have to wear more than a leather apron, to protect from sparks.
Yeah, Rita is a bummer, but wouldn’t we all be if the love of our husband’s life reappeared and he got distant and made pretexts to run off and see her all the time? It’s only because we know about her hiding the note Cami sent that we are down on Rita.
I wish the actress who plays Jimena had been given the lead. She’s got real spark and seem like an actual human being instead of a cliché. The actress playing Cami seems to have spent a lot of time in front of the mirror figuring out how to look sexy and fetching, and to have arrived at the conclusion that she looks best with her mouth open, a few teeth showing. The result is that she looks like she has a sinus problem, or isn’t very bright.
Another great recap and fun comments!
Yeah, Rita is a bummer, but wouldn’t we all be if the love of our husband’s life reappeared and he got distant and made pretexts to run off and see her all the time? It’s only because we know about her hiding the note Cami sent that we are down on Rita.
I wish the actress who plays Jimena had been given the lead. She’s got real spark and seem like an actual human being instead of a cliché. The actress playing Cami seems to have spent a lot of time in front of the mirror figuring out how to look sexy and fetching, and to have arrived at the conclusion that she looks best with her mouth open, a few teeth showing. The result is that she looks like she has a sinus problem, or isn’t very bright.
Another great recap and fun comments!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 4:27:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 4:27:00 PM EST
"The actress playing Cami seems to have spent a lot of time in front of the mirror figuring out how to look sexy and fetching, and to have arrived at the conclusion that she looks best with her mouth open, a few teeth showing. The result is that she looks like she has a sinus problem, or isn’t very bright..." LOL that's a good one definately add that to the out of context quotes.
And since we're giving predictions, mine is that perhaps Ric is Ascanio's father perhaps that is why he alerted him that night and is remaining hush hush. Just a suggestion.
I'm confused about what you guys are calling the card - I thought you were actually referring to the letter, but now, both card and letter are being bandied about.
I'm confused about what you guys are calling the card - I thought you were actually referring to the letter, but now, both card and letter are being bandied about.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 6:29:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 6:29:00 PM EST
Jazzee: Carta=letter, but subconsciously because of the word's similarity to the English word "card" it's easy to think card I believe.
In the scene where Lis, Fran and Ascanio meet for the first time, I guess. Lis asks Ascanio if he would betray Ric. Ascanio swears he won't. It got me to wondering if Ascanio is carrying a torch for Miss Lis and will protect Ric because he knows about her devotion to him. But maybe that is too simple and and would have been revealed by now. The other possibility is that Ascanio was made a servant because he killed a man for raping his sister. It may be that Ric got his revenge for him or something.
I am still getting confused by these conversations about what which people know about Ric and whether they think he is Lis' cousin, the Antillano, a spy or all of the above.
I am still getting confused by these conversations about what which people know about Ric and whether they think he is Lis' cousin, the Antillano, a spy or all of the above.
I remember Ric telling Lis after the dinner at Jorge's that it is always better to tell the truth even if it is only half of it. I would say that Ric and Mario have told the women and Claudio this half-truth for the reasons tash has mentioned: he's wanted for murder and doesn't want to deal with that little detail either legally, or from an emotional standpoint with Cami, till he has to.
Personally, I'd say all these people are telling so many lies intermixed with the truth that it's going to be Hell for them all to keep everything straight after a while.
Personally, I'd say all these people are telling so many lies intermixed with the truth that it's going to be Hell for them all to keep everything straight after a while.
In addition to the horeseshoes having to be red hot or white hot (in other words very hot), it would have helped if the sound effects of the hammering were synch-ed properly with the action. From where I sat, the clang of the metal took place while the hammer was in mid-swing poised above the anvil rather than at the moment of impact. It made the scene almost surreal for me.
--Agnes
--Agnes
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 7:30:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 7:30:00 PM EST
Wouldn't Ric be too young to be Ascanio's father? I think the part about his helping Ascanio in some way is more likely.
After watching Fernando in the DVDs of AMOR REAL and ALBORADO, I've decided he's not conventionally handsome (although everyone calls him "guapo" on Pasion). But there's something very "nice," charming, and exciting about him that comes through when he acts, although he's only a fair actor. It goes beyond those limpid black eyes and brawny shoulders and arms. The dimples and his smile add to it. Maybe it's some part of his own personality that comes through that's so engaging.
Suzanna Gonzalez is not beautiful or interesting enough for all these people to be in love with her. I agree the actress playing Jimena would be better. SG seems to be playing "nice" and "confused." I think Angelica Rivera (Gaviota) would have been great in this role as she has the SPIRIT Ric said he admired in Camila.
A fernando Crushee
After watching Fernando in the DVDs of AMOR REAL and ALBORADO, I've decided he's not conventionally handsome (although everyone calls him "guapo" on Pasion). But there's something very "nice," charming, and exciting about him that comes through when he acts, although he's only a fair actor. It goes beyond those limpid black eyes and brawny shoulders and arms. The dimples and his smile add to it. Maybe it's some part of his own personality that comes through that's so engaging.
Suzanna Gonzalez is not beautiful or interesting enough for all these people to be in love with her. I agree the actress playing Jimena would be better. SG seems to be playing "nice" and "confused." I think Angelica Rivera (Gaviota) would have been great in this role as she has the SPIRIT Ric said he admired in Camila.
A fernando Crushee
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 7:59:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 7:59:00 PM EST
I really appreciate each recapper and all the posters. The comments and info help me keep up with the details I'm missing when I doze off sometimes.
Jimena and Cami--the heroine/hero always has to be a little superior to the sidekick. Similar to Nicole Kidman and Renee Zelwegger characters in Cold Mountain and Ricardo and Mario here in Pasion; the knight and the squire in all the tales of chivalry. The sidekick is not as glamorous, a little earthier and more practical.
I like Ricardo showing just a little of his vulnerable side to Cami. Still love Mario--the bad boy with a heart of gold and a twinkle in his eye.
La Paloma
Jimena and Cami--the heroine/hero always has to be a little superior to the sidekick. Similar to Nicole Kidman and Renee Zelwegger characters in Cold Mountain and Ricardo and Mario here in Pasion; the knight and the squire in all the tales of chivalry. The sidekick is not as glamorous, a little earthier and more practical.
I like Ricardo showing just a little of his vulnerable side to Cami. Still love Mario--the bad boy with a heart of gold and a twinkle in his eye.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:05:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:05:00 PM EST
Thanks for all the clarification with a great recap and the comments.
I'm not down on GRita just because she buried the letter, which kept her sister a slave and dead to her family. I'm down on her because she's a big selfish drag. She wanted Santi from the beginning and did everything she could to "have" him for herself even though Santi and her sister were madly in love. And she's a whiner.
Cuzzin Dreaded Lucy Cash/Jardinera -- LOL with so many lies WE can't keep them straight either...
jb--Iron Jack Cash
I'm not down on GRita just because she buried the letter, which kept her sister a slave and dead to her family. I'm down on her because she's a big selfish drag. She wanted Santi from the beginning and did everything she could to "have" him for herself even though Santi and her sister were madly in love. And she's a whiner.
Cuzzin Dreaded Lucy Cash/Jardinera -- LOL with so many lies WE can't keep them straight either...
jb--Iron Jack Cash
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:17:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 8:17:00 PM EST
jazzee at 6:29 - there is a difference between what has been referred to the 'card' and the 'letter'. First, the letter. Camila sent a letter home from Isla Mariana when she was married to Don Tim, she convinced Francisca to send it for her. GRita was the one who ended up with it, she tore it into pieces and buried it under a tree in the yard. She didn't want anyone to know Camila was alive so she could marry Santiago herself.
Second, the card. I have referred to this as the 'ED Card' to make it more clear. This is the card from Old Tim's doctor proclaiming that he could not get it up. Justo ended up with it and managed to burn only half of it before Paco of the horrible hair took it to play with.
So we have the 'letter' - currently under a tree, and the 'ED card', currently half burned and being played with by horrible hair Paco.
Second, the card. I have referred to this as the 'ED Card' to make it more clear. This is the card from Old Tim's doctor proclaiming that he could not get it up. Justo ended up with it and managed to burn only half of it before Paco of the horrible hair took it to play with.
So we have the 'letter' - currently under a tree, and the 'ED card', currently half burned and being played with by horrible hair Paco.
Gee, my tired brain must be just fried or something. Jardinera, for some reason though I knew you did this recap, I attributed it to Margaret and so here I am, reposting with the right name and blushing at my cluelessness. Mea culpa.
Wow, Jardinera/dreaded lucy cash, what a fantastic recap! You got every detail and really filled in all the gaps. Whew! Thanks!
Jeanne
"Old teachers never die, they just lose their class"
Wow, Jardinera/dreaded lucy cash, what a fantastic recap! You got every detail and really filled in all the gaps. Whew! Thanks!
Jeanne
"Old teachers never die, they just lose their class"
Jeanne: No problema, if you're a road warrior like I've become, traveling hundreds of miles a week, it's no wonder your brain goes on instant replay! I can empathize as well as sympathize these days..........
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=/8 3 )
Thanks, Jardinera/cuzzin Dreaded Lucy Cash--yep, I'm a road warrior though I doubt I put in as many miles a week as you. I average 80 nights a year in hotels/away from home overnight a year now. Two years ago I hit my all time high of 100. This year it'll be 75, I am guessing. It does put a crimp in brain power sometimes. (It's my story and I'm sticking to it). ;-)
Jeanne
Jeanne
"Who in the world is she savin’ it for? Besides, she has nothing left to actually save, when you get right down to it, considering the rape. "
I thought only Jimena was raped, not Camila.
PB Utah
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I thought only Jimena was raped, not Camila.
PB Utah
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 12:46:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 12:46:00 AM EST
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