Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Juan Q 2-6-08 - Nid shows some motherly like love, Anga some brotherly love, and Pau wonders is it love?
Pastie and Cl are chatting about Juan being back in town. Pastor suggests it will be adisaster if Pau and Juan meet up. CL yells at him for suggesting that his wife might fall into improper conduct. Pastor apologizes and Cl ralizes that Pastor has his own agenda for Juan not seeing Pau, but Cl swears Juan won't get near his wife, nor even see her from afar.
The trash man takes Oscar and the Grouch out. He has a hard time moving these heavyweights.
Because MAPAT (shows real producer) expresses interest, Juan wonders when the camera trucks will show up. She tells him she needs to discuss it with the executives, and there will be preproduction and proposals, that he needs to put his proposal in writing, and include photos maybe before they even get to that point. She asks him to guarantee that these women are beautiful. He says there is pure beauty in Achi, though they aren't as pretty as she He says she lools like a Spanish belle (pareces maja espanola).
Oscar and grouch tell each other how much it sucks to live in trash can. Grouch says he's giving up he can't stand it any more he's dying in there. He crawls past the guards and garbage man. Oscar follows suit and insults Grouch for being a chicken and foiling his "perfect plan". Delirio complains about how bad it stinks Gutis calls him a stink beetle (pinacate) and he calls him a a (slimy) salamander (tlaconete).
Juan tells Kike in the truck it's a done deal, and at least she didn't send them out on their ass.
Cl gets dresses to go out and Pau says he's nuts. He says he has to go to the office because things require his personal attention. She thinks he should stay in bed.
Juan is getting praised by the store lady as the famous flower guy who caused a sensacion. The lady tells him 3 other people came already asking about these famous flowers. She describes them as a 2 women and a man, well sort of a man. He asks how the women were. She says they were beautiful like models, very much putting on airs (pipirisnais). He determines that one has to be his Paulita.
CL says goodbye to Pau and that she doesn't need to pick him up. He goes in and addresses the office randoms that yes he's back, so they had better get back to work.
Ivonne goes in to say hello to him and he rips her a new one for making him get cut open. He tells her to shut up or he'll fire her or worse strangle her. He asks her to get him two tickets to Jamaica for this weekend and that he wants to speak to Pastor and Moni.
Pau talks to Marely. She wants to know if Juan is here. Mar lies and says no he's not here, if he were he'd look for you, and she has lots of work so has to go now.
Ana asks what she's up to. She breaks the news that she is going away with CL.
Pastor tells CL and Moni about Juan's return that he spoke with him briefly, and that he must be working with Anga on the Anthurium deal, and CL surmises that maybe he was the one who robbed them of the deal. They send Pastor on recognaisance to confirm that Juan is behind this. Moni doesn't think they should trust Gaytan but Cl thinks they need to find out for sure. Moni thinks that Juan's presence is a warning for him.
Just then, Pau calls Cl and asks if they can change their plans so they don't eat together because she wants to eat with her Mom instead. He says that's fine. Mom is listening and wonders why she's lying. Pau says she can't tell him about going to see if she can find Juan. Ana points out the inconsistencies of her actions. She tells her Ma she has to go.
Cl tells Moni that she needs to stop meddling in his life. Cl asks how Moni found out about the flowers, Consuelo? Moni says yes she made a small comment about it casually. CL pushes her on this because he didn't know she talked with Consuelo and there are too many coincidences. She is in defense mode explaining away how this happened. CL warns her to stay away from the two of them. He is fine with her worrying about his health but her investigations are too much. She tells him well it hurts her to see him jump hoops for Pau whose only desire is to see Juan again.
At Casa Cachon, Nid and Juan are chatting when the door rings. Nid comes running that it's Pau. Juan decides he doesn't want her to know that he's there. Nid says she won't say anything. He flips back and forth a little but stays firm she shouldn't know he's there.
Nid invites her in and wonders what she wants. Pau begs her to tell her where Juan is. Nid says she shouldn't be looking for him because she's are married. Pau says they need to clear up some things so she needs to find him and confront him with her feelings. Nid understands.
Ivonne digs on Mar about Juan being back and that Fer has competition. Mar tells her to bug off because Fer is her boyfriend and Juan doesn't interest her.
Pau confirms the problem is that Juan is too common (corriente). Nid wonders if she is ashamed to be with him then. Pau says yes, crying. Nid thinks that's a problem, and that she should get Juan in front of her to figure out how he makes her feel. Juan overhearing is offended and says that he has his goofy style, but it's his own style at least. Nid ends up telling Pau that she'll contact her if she hears anything from Juan.
Pastor is hanging out with his bro at the market. They chat briefly about the business with the Japanese and Pastor wonders if Juan is goign to come by. Anga thinks not because of the time.
Anga invites Pastor to live together with him as a family because they are both rather alone in this world and he's grown to care for him.
Nid comes up with the idea that if Pau wants to look for him then she should do it on his territory in Achichipico. Nid calls Pau and tells her Juan's town is named Achichipico and that's where she can find him, with her cousin. [A double entendre occurred to me not long ago that this name could mean "to poking or pointy tits." Chichi is slang for breasts like tits, and pico is picks or pokes or points. They probably did this on purpose, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.]
Nid tells Juan now the ball is in Pau's court and we'll see what she does.
Pau lies and tells CL that is was her Mom who called and that she wants her to go look at some special pigments.
Pastor asks if Ivy can receive a very sad friend. She tells him she's not dressed, he says like he's going to care. I tell you, she looks so much better without all that make up. He wants a drink to make him forget all this upsetness.
Juan wonders if NId is really right about this idea he concludes that Pau would be desperate to search for him this way.
Pau can't sleep and Cl accuses her of jumping around in the bed like a grasshopper. she blames it on the moon. He wants to take advantage of the moon to moon her. She tries to resist that he needs to get better, but of course he wins for now.
Pastor cries his woes on Ivy that he thinks Juan is rejecting him again and it breaks his heart. Ivy tells him he needs to drop this obsession he has before it gets worse and she warned him not to get excited about Juan's return. He says it's already worse, there's something else. He confesses that he's just about to betray his brother Juan.
The trash man takes Oscar and the Grouch out. He has a hard time moving these heavyweights.
Because MAPAT (shows real producer) expresses interest, Juan wonders when the camera trucks will show up. She tells him she needs to discuss it with the executives, and there will be preproduction and proposals, that he needs to put his proposal in writing, and include photos maybe before they even get to that point. She asks him to guarantee that these women are beautiful. He says there is pure beauty in Achi, though they aren't as pretty as she He says she lools like a Spanish belle (pareces maja espanola).
Oscar and grouch tell each other how much it sucks to live in trash can. Grouch says he's giving up he can't stand it any more he's dying in there. He crawls past the guards and garbage man. Oscar follows suit and insults Grouch for being a chicken and foiling his "perfect plan". Delirio complains about how bad it stinks Gutis calls him a stink beetle (pinacate) and he calls him a a (slimy) salamander (tlaconete).
Juan tells Kike in the truck it's a done deal, and at least she didn't send them out on their ass.
Cl gets dresses to go out and Pau says he's nuts. He says he has to go to the office because things require his personal attention. She thinks he should stay in bed.
Juan is getting praised by the store lady as the famous flower guy who caused a sensacion. The lady tells him 3 other people came already asking about these famous flowers. She describes them as a 2 women and a man, well sort of a man. He asks how the women were. She says they were beautiful like models, very much putting on airs (pipirisnais). He determines that one has to be his Paulita.
CL says goodbye to Pau and that she doesn't need to pick him up. He goes in and addresses the office randoms that yes he's back, so they had better get back to work.
Ivonne goes in to say hello to him and he rips her a new one for making him get cut open. He tells her to shut up or he'll fire her or worse strangle her. He asks her to get him two tickets to Jamaica for this weekend and that he wants to speak to Pastor and Moni.
Pau talks to Marely. She wants to know if Juan is here. Mar lies and says no he's not here, if he were he'd look for you, and she has lots of work so has to go now.
Ana asks what she's up to. She breaks the news that she is going away with CL.
Pastor tells CL and Moni about Juan's return that he spoke with him briefly, and that he must be working with Anga on the Anthurium deal, and CL surmises that maybe he was the one who robbed them of the deal. They send Pastor on recognaisance to confirm that Juan is behind this. Moni doesn't think they should trust Gaytan but Cl thinks they need to find out for sure. Moni thinks that Juan's presence is a warning for him.
Just then, Pau calls Cl and asks if they can change their plans so they don't eat together because she wants to eat with her Mom instead. He says that's fine. Mom is listening and wonders why she's lying. Pau says she can't tell him about going to see if she can find Juan. Ana points out the inconsistencies of her actions. She tells her Ma she has to go.
Cl tells Moni that she needs to stop meddling in his life. Cl asks how Moni found out about the flowers, Consuelo? Moni says yes she made a small comment about it casually. CL pushes her on this because he didn't know she talked with Consuelo and there are too many coincidences. She is in defense mode explaining away how this happened. CL warns her to stay away from the two of them. He is fine with her worrying about his health but her investigations are too much. She tells him well it hurts her to see him jump hoops for Pau whose only desire is to see Juan again.
At Casa Cachon, Nid and Juan are chatting when the door rings. Nid comes running that it's Pau. Juan decides he doesn't want her to know that he's there. Nid says she won't say anything. He flips back and forth a little but stays firm she shouldn't know he's there.
Nid invites her in and wonders what she wants. Pau begs her to tell her where Juan is. Nid says she shouldn't be looking for him because she's are married. Pau says they need to clear up some things so she needs to find him and confront him with her feelings. Nid understands.
Nid wants to know what Pau wants to tell him. Juan is upstairs yelling at himself that he came back to fight for this woman and now here she is in front of him and he's afraid to show his face. He decides to summon his courage and go down. He stops to listen in and Nid sees that he is there. She tries to get Pau to tell her what she'd tell Juan if he was in front of her. Pau admits she doesn't really know what she's looking for, sometimes she thinks she's in love with him and other times not.
Nid asks why she ended up with CLimeball if she cares about Juan. Pau says she never could image herself married to Juan. He proclaims chinchas bravas, why? Nid repeats it. Pau begins to describe that CL has everything a woman wants, he knows how to treat women. Juan asks to himself what about him, he doesn't know how? Pau then redeems herself by saying that Juan's heart is so big it doesn't fit in his chest, and he too knows how to treat women.
Ivonne digs on Mar about Juan being back and that Fer has competition. Mar tells her to bug off because Fer is her boyfriend and Juan doesn't interest her.
Pau confirms the problem is that Juan is too common (corriente). Nid wonders if she is ashamed to be with him then. Pau says yes, crying. Nid thinks that's a problem, and that she should get Juan in front of her to figure out how he makes her feel. Juan overhearing is offended and says that he has his goofy style, but it's his own style at least. Nid ends up telling Pau that she'll contact her if she hears anything from Juan.
Pastor is hanging out with his bro at the market. They chat briefly about the business with the Japanese and Pastor wonders if Juan is goign to come by. Anga thinks not because of the time.
Nid and Juan discuss Pau's admissions. She tries to tell him that sometimes people say things they don't mean. Juan says no she's wrapped herself around it completely to have said it in that way. Nid tells him it's nothing for him to be so gloomy about. She continues that's what happens when others don't understand those of us who walk to the beat of a different drum, those of us with character and valor. She says she was shamed by her family and own daughters too; even called a naca by people she didn't even know only because she had her own sense of style and likes to dress the way she does and so forth. She tells Juan that Ceasar Farells are many, but Juan Dominguez is unique and there is only one. She thinks only he made Pau feel love for the very first time. He wonders if he should go look for her and she says no let her suffer; it should cost her blood.
Anga invites Pastor to live together with him as a family because they are both rather alone in this world and he's grown to care for him.
Nid comes up with the idea that if Pau wants to look for him then she should do it on his territory in Achichipico. Nid calls Pau and tells her Juan's town is named Achichipico and that's where she can find him, with her cousin. [A double entendre occurred to me not long ago that this name could mean "to poking or pointy tits." Chichi is slang for breasts like tits, and pico is picks or pokes or points. They probably did this on purpose, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.]
Nid tells Juan now the ball is in Pau's court and we'll see what she does.
Pau lies and tells CL that is was her Mom who called and that she wants her to go look at some special pigments.
Pastor asks if Ivy can receive a very sad friend. She tells him she's not dressed, he says like he's going to care. I tell you, she looks so much better without all that make up. He wants a drink to make him forget all this upsetness.
Juan wonders if NId is really right about this idea he concludes that Pau would be desperate to search for him this way.
Pau can't sleep and Cl accuses her of jumping around in the bed like a grasshopper. she blames it on the moon. He wants to take advantage of the moon to moon her. She tries to resist that he needs to get better, but of course he wins for now.
Pastor cries his woes on Ivy that he thinks Juan is rejecting him again and it breaks his heart. Ivy tells him he needs to drop this obsession he has before it gets worse and she warned him not to get excited about Juan's return. He says it's already worse, there's something else. He confesses that he's just about to betray his brother Juan.
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My goodness...as strange as Achichipico is as a name, I figured it was a real place in Mexico (okay, I know nothing about the country) but given the abundant cleavage on display in this show, you may be right...the writers are having fun with the whole deal (not to mention the cameramen).
Angarita's proposal to share digs with Pastor was certainly a new wrinkle...wonder where this is going to lead?
Thanks for another great recap, Kris.
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My goodness...as strange as Achichipico is as a name, I figured it was a real place in Mexico (okay, I know nothing about the country) but given the abundant cleavage on display in this show, you may be right...the writers are having fun with the whole deal (not to mention the cameramen).
Angarita's proposal to share digs with Pastor was certainly a new wrinkle...wonder where this is going to lead?
Thanks for another great recap, Kris.
Sorry I haven't been around much folks, I have been out of touch for a bit with some distracting personal issues, but I promise I'll catch up soon. Caray Caray is a refreshing ray of light, but it does take time to enjoy and I'm short on that right now. I'm glad I at least managed to get the recap up, phew!!
What or where is Chinches Bravas? Literally it means brave thumbtacks. But searching the web, I found one explanation that might fit. It's both a literal location in Mexico and a euphemism for "the sticks"
Was Paula saying Juan was a primitivo, corriente and from the sticks?
Was Paula saying Juan was a primitivo, corriente and from the sticks?
Your guess is as good as mine,RiberaJoe but Juan has been saying "chinches bravas" for a long time and we've just thought of it as "holy smoke" or something goofy like that.
I haven't heard Paula use the expression but Nidia used it, probably because she's around Juan so much that she's picked it up. Much the way we bloggers mirror each other by saying "impactados" all the time.
I haven't heard Paula use the expression but Nidia used it, probably because she's around Juan so much that she's picked it up. Much the way we bloggers mirror each other by saying "impactados" all the time.
Ha ha, great commentary on Achichipico.I hadn't caught that but of course it's intentional. It also explains the manner in which Nidia pronounces it: AchiCHI...(chest hoist here)...PIco! I loved how she did that and Juan fell off his chair.
Riberajoe, we had some lengthy discussion about Juan's pet phrase early on. Maricruz, who has been a lifesaver with her knowledge of the language, helped us out and I quote:
"I just realized yesterday why Juan keeps on saying chinches bravas! He is using the word "chinches" instead of the offensive word "chin", like somebody would use shoot in stead of sh*t, (you know what I mean). The word “chin” is not that offensive per say, but depending on how you use it could mean f***. For example the worst offense that somebody could tell you is "Ve a c***gar a tu madre" (I'm blushing here) you get the idea. No wonder Juan changed it to chinches bravas."
So bottom line, it means "Oh shoot"!
How dare Paula call Juan common! He is anything but!! Oh how I loathe her.
Riberajoe, we had some lengthy discussion about Juan's pet phrase early on. Maricruz, who has been a lifesaver with her knowledge of the language, helped us out and I quote:
"I just realized yesterday why Juan keeps on saying chinches bravas! He is using the word "chinches" instead of the offensive word "chin", like somebody would use shoot in stead of sh*t, (you know what I mean). The word “chin” is not that offensive per say, but depending on how you use it could mean f***. For example the worst offense that somebody could tell you is "Ve a c***gar a tu madre" (I'm blushing here) you get the idea. No wonder Juan changed it to chinches bravas."
So bottom line, it means "Oh shoot"!
How dare Paula call Juan common! He is anything but!! Oh how I loathe her.
Oops, I saved before I got to say Great Recap Keel-haulin Leah Dread!
P.S. to Schoolmarm - heh I forgot to mention pea soup fog which is what you were in last night.
P.S. to Schoolmarm - heh I forgot to mention pea soup fog which is what you were in last night.
I've decided that this show is a morality play with Paula having to learn the lesson. She annoys us all to pieces and she is going to have to get rehabilitated the hard way. She has discovered that life with "sexy" upper-class wealthy well-dressed well-educated Cesar Luis is not as great as it looks from the outside. Now she's going to have to be humiliated and finally realize socio-economic status isn't everything.
Thank you all for your kindness and tolerance. I have only been watching Juan since last November and hadn't heard (recognized) that expression before. I recall now that it was just Juan and Nidia who said it last night, not Paula. And it did fit in like "holy smokes" or "Que the Heck!" I guess it was just a coincidence that my google search found a Mexican city with that name!
You know, I remember Maricruz explaining that connection to "chin" as a "bad" word sanitized, but I remember that before she mentioned that, I had considered a different interpretation that consistently made sense to me. Chinches are bugs, like bedbugs, or similarly pestering annoying little creatures, and brava can mean all kinds of rough around the edges things like, rugged, ferocious, even furious or rude or with bad temper; so I thought he was conjuring up the image of angry pestering nasty bugs get feisty, as in an expression of something undesirable or annoying or digging at him. Mari if you read this let me know what you think.
Meli I agree with your morality assesment. I think we are going to have to love Paula only after she is "seeing the light" and that obviously we are supposed to be sort of annoyed with her and when she finally "gets it", Juan will get his due, and we will feel much better about their whole connection.
You know, one more thing - I have to laugh at my typo..."CL gets dresses to go out and Pau thinks he's nuts" If you didn't know what I was talking about [should be d not s] you'd find that pretty hilarious. I'm going to leave it in, just because it really made me laugh thinking of that image of CL in a dress, and I can use the laughs right now!!!!
Kris, great recap, and great observations! I haven't had much time to read in the middle of the week, either. Keep up the good work and take care of yourself.
Cap'n Sylvia, you are so right about the fog! I was in a hotel this morning, but when I looked out you couldn't see anything and they said the visibility was only .25 mile -- not much at 70 mph. So I was glad I wasn't coming to the meeting this morning. That's especially true when the fog was freezing on the pavement. Interesting accidents they were showing on the morning news and I was cozy in my warm room. The meeting occurred in the same building. And, the sun was out when I left to drive home! All's well that ends well...You're paying attention to the weather in my part of the country, obviously (about 50 miles south of us they got 14 inches so I feel really good!)
Ribera Joe, we're really glad you're joining us!
Jeanne
Cap'n Sylvia, you are so right about the fog! I was in a hotel this morning, but when I looked out you couldn't see anything and they said the visibility was only .25 mile -- not much at 70 mph. So I was glad I wasn't coming to the meeting this morning. That's especially true when the fog was freezing on the pavement. Interesting accidents they were showing on the morning news and I was cozy in my warm room. The meeting occurred in the same building. And, the sun was out when I left to drive home! All's well that ends well...You're paying attention to the weather in my part of the country, obviously (about 50 miles south of us they got 14 inches so I feel really good!)
Ribera Joe, we're really glad you're joining us!
Jeanne
Melinama, I have learned to trust your pronouncements of "la ley de telenovelas" but holy cats or chinches bravas, I'm not sure I can ever like Paula. She has to be the most self-centered, vacuous heroine I've ever met on these telenovelas (I know by saying this that you will all tell me of worse ones, but who??).
I love the play on words on Achichipico and they way they film Nidia saying it in particular but hey what do you think "Tetons" means....I'm just saying it's an old word play in more languages than one.
Great recap Kris, sorry you are having problemas personales but doesn't it help to throw yourself into this fun fantasy to forget the world for a bit.
I love the play on words on Achichipico and they way they film Nidia saying it in particular but hey what do you think "Tetons" means....I'm just saying it's an old word play in more languages than one.
Great recap Kris, sorry you are having problemas personales but doesn't it help to throw yourself into this fun fantasy to forget the world for a bit.
Cheryl mpnm--I am in TOTAL agreement that Paula is no real heroine and I will never like her. She is a total twit, spoiled beyond belief, and Ana may be a wet blanket but I doubt she made Paula the brat she is today. So there. I haven't watched too many telenovelas, but Paula is by far the worst protagonista to date.
Esmerelda in Zorro was the best for me to date, though I did like Hipolita in Alborada (short version on DVD) pretty well. Both were very pragmatic and never felt sorry for themselves. Paula is indescribably annoying.
Jeanne
Esmerelda in Zorro was the best for me to date, though I did like Hipolita in Alborada (short version on DVD) pretty well. Both were very pragmatic and never felt sorry for themselves. Paula is indescribably annoying.
Jeanne
Yes please, tell us how you really feel!!
The writers are going to have to do some convincing lesson-learning for the viewers to believe Paula deserve's Juan's love.
The writers are going to have to do some convincing lesson-learning for the viewers to believe Paula deserve's Juan's love.
Well, this show has gone against cliche a few times but I have to stand by my guess. Paula would NOT be the first character to be unfairly rehabilitated. In the first telenovela I ever saw, "Niña Amada Mia," Eric Castillo (now the old friar in Pasión) played this creepy selfish bullying goat of an old rich guy with a beautiful evil wife the age of his three daughters. He even HIT one of his daughters (come to think of it, she's now playing Paula). And yet he was rehabiliated. After a brief period of paralysis, and the death of the evil wife by horses hooves, he got to marry another beautiful (but good) babe and have grandbabies etc. I growled but that's the way it was.
I watch this show from time to time and love Juan,even though a little "redneckish",but he has a good heart..If the oversexed- menopausal Nidia (Nid)did not play such a prominent role in this novela,I could really enjoy it..She has way too many lines..
Paula doesn't deserve Juan..I like Juan with the blonde with the big boobs & ponytail hair(Marley?)..Not sure of the spelling of her name..
Paula doesn't deserve Juan..I like Juan with the blonde with the big boobs & ponytail hair(Marley?)..Not sure of the spelling of her name..
Oh yes, we've all (or most) been rooting for Juan and Marely but alas, I fear it shall not happen.
A complete change of character is very common in American soaps so I guess it's not out of the question here. Maybe if Paula ends up donating a body part to save Juan's life I might forgive hier.
A complete change of character is very common in American soaps so I guess it's not out of the question here. Maybe if Paula ends up donating a body part to save Juan's life I might forgive hier.
You're right..I fear an anvil will fall on the head of Paula to knock some sense into her totally confused mind,then Juan will come running..Can't stop true love in the novela world..
Marely,hopefully will move onto Fernando..Last night's episode indicated Marely is getting the picture of Juan & Paula.
Marely,hopefully will move onto Fernando..Last night's episode indicated Marely is getting the picture of Juan & Paula.
thanks for recap
What's up with those extras always hanging around the lobby some r even hanging on the rail up stairs waiting for something to happen aleast in LFMB the extras pretended they had a purpose and they dnt have so many
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What's up with those extras always hanging around the lobby some r even hanging on the rail up stairs waiting for something to happen aleast in LFMB the extras pretended they had a purpose and they dnt have so many
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