Thursday, February 21, 2008

Pasion – Feb 20, 2008 – Beans are spilled, so Santi and Camila split

Hello to all. Since I have to leave at a ridiculous hour of the morning (and still look good) and next week is just as bad so it’d be pointless to trade, I will be doing the recap in 2 parts: one now, another tonight in the afternoon/early evening with any grammar corrections I might have made (I hope that doesn’t throw too much of a monkey wrench since there is no episode tonight). Now, on with the show.

Episode 51 – We start with yesterday’s portion in which Jorge and Alberto discuss the pros and cons of Santi becoming Jorge’s heir. Sofia enters and starts needling Jorge to hurry him up and threatening to go with the chisme to the archbishop. Al questions how this will affect Whoresula, Jorge says Sofi has her way of looking at things and that some of it actually makes some sense.

Back at Chez Ric, Cami tells Ric her concern that Al will find Bernabe, and thus the letter. Ric says he hopes the authorities will be their usual procrastinating selves and that Mario will beat them to the puch. He then confers with MMM (Main Man Mario) who says he got the 411 from Ascanio. He doesn’t really know the lay of the land, but he’ll manage, then he’ll track Bernie down and open up a can of whoopass ‘till he fesses up.

At Chez Santi, Grita kvetches about always being out of the loop and starts asking Ofelia who raped her, saying she has a right to now what’s eating up her hubby. Ofelia tells her that she doesn’t have to answer. Honestly, the nerve of that b#$%h nagging her poor mother in law about getting raped. We’re not talking about the family tortilla recipe here. It’s kinda personal! Anywhoo, her long list of possible candidates is interrupted by Ramona who tells Ofi that Ascanio is there to see her. Over by the kitchen, Ascanio tells Ofi that Santi doesn’t like being Jorge’s kid after the Cami incident. She asks what he thinks about her. He says Santi’s a just guy and he’ll come around. He’s gone off to the Monte Carmelo mission to contemplate his navel and make sense of things. Alas, Grita hears the whole thing and just about starts doing cartwheels at the thought that her hubby is the heir apparent to the Don of San Fer. Now, on to the new stuff.

Over at the pub named “La Paloma “ (the dove), Al tells Gonzalo to simmer down, and that if he’s told anyone about their “business” deals, he and his dad are both dead men. Gonzo gets upset ‘cause his dad has nothing to do with this. Al says he doesn’t car, and remember that he keeps his promises (or threats in this case). He tells Gonzo to lay low and not to do any “burradas” (stupid things, like a donkey/dunce would do). Even if Jorge has Gonzo on a short leash, Al can sweet-talk him into forgiving Gonzo’s little tiffs. Gonzo complains that Jorge made a lot of promises he didn’t keep. Al says, “Man proposes, God decides” and tells him to be patient. He says it’s in his best interest to stay in the good graces of the Señor of his hometown. Gonzo than says Jorge promised him Camila. Al reminds him that Camila is now married, and if Jorge couldn’t get past her hubby, there’s no way Gonzo will. He throws one of his handy money pouches on the table and walks away laughing. Gonzo then muses to himself, “we’ll see who can do more, your Señor of San Fernando, or me.” He then starts yelling at his fellow patrons for causing a racket.

Now at Chez Alberto, Manuela practices calligraphy while telling her dueña (can’t remember the woman’s name) the chisme that Santi is Jorge’s kid. She tells her that Ursula told her about it, and that Jorge had forbid Ursula from going out or getting visitors. Dueña asks why, and Manuela explains he must have gotten wind that Whoresula was after Santi. She crosses herself at her chasing her own brother, and Manuela calmly explains that Ursula didn’t know it at the time. Dueña tells her that family is cursed!

Back at Chez Ric, our hero tells Pablo how if he doesn’t find his money, he’ll have no choice but to go back to sea. Pablo says ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and Ric says that’s not what he wanted. He’d hoped to buy a plantation and transfer the folks from La Iguana there, give them a decent life. Pablo remarks that would have been nice. Ric laments that if Tim’s testament is overturned via the ED letter, he won’t have enough money to repay the money she’s spent and she’ll get thrown in jail! He laments that it seems that every time he tries to leave that life something happens that forces him to stay. It’s like a curse! Wait a minute, didn’t I just see this in the “Godfather” movie everyone wants to forget?

Over by the church, Don Agustin (da priest) tells Ofelia that Al was there when he told Jorge he was a proud papa. Ofi wants to know what Jorge will do, and Agustin says he thinks he will do his duty and recognize Santi as his son. Ofi says Santi won’t like that, and neither will she. He asks her where the lad is. She tells him Ascanio told her Monte Carmelo for a few days. He says he hopes that The Lord will show him the right path to follow. Ofi cries that he resents her. Padre suggests that he pray to the Virgin Mary. She was a mother too, and she will influence Santi’s heart to forgive Ofi. Now, if ya don’t mind, I got to go give the last rights to Don Eusebio. She is surprised by this. He says, “see, some sorrows are greater than yours.” He gives her his blessing and goes off.

Camila is in her room holding a book and sighing about dust in love. Jimena enters and asks her what’s going on. Cami tells her she’s been reading a poetry book that she found among Ricardo’s things. She points to a poem and Jime walks away with it and says aah (which is funny ‘cause I seem to recall she can’t read). Cami laughs and tells her this poem talks about how “even if he dies, and his bones turn to dust, it will be dust in love.” Jime smiles and says “can you imagine feeling something so strong?” Cami says her love for Ric is like that. She will love him forever and after this life.

A very large Grita runs to Chez Justo to bring Ines some great news (good where? Planet Reebok?) She asks about Vasco and Justo, and Ines tells her they’re at the mill and resting respectively. So, spill it. Rita says guess who’s kid Santi is. Rita says duh? My mom and dad’s. Rita says, mom’s yes, but not your dad’s. Ines asks what she’s insinuating. Rita says Santi is the son of Jorge Mancera. Ines says that’s not true. Rita says sure, she heard Ascanio and Ofi talking about it and that prior to that she’d overheard Ofi tell Santi someone raped her. Ofi denied it was Jorge, but Rita thinks he took his “first night” rights and now her hubby is the son of the Señor of San Fernando! Ines asks if Santi knows and Rita says yeah, he went to some retreat in Monte Carmelo. Ines tells Rita that she doesn’t know what she’s so happy about. Can’t you see what this will do to him. He’ll die of anger and pain! Rita says, yeah, yeah, ‘cause Whorehey boinked Cami.... Ines adds: and he raped our mother! Rita dismisses it and says it was a long time ago and he needs to get over it and think about his family, about the baby, about you guys, about ME! If Jorge recognizes him, when he dies, Santi can be the new Lord of the Land. Ines yells “what about his pain?” “what about the shame of knowing his dad raped the woman he was going to marry and his own mother?” Rita says she could care less about Cami and the Ofi thing is a shame, but that’s life. Ines finally tells her to shut up, ‘cause if she keeps talking so selfishly and shamelessly she’ll forget she’s pregnant and slap her around. Then she stomps off. Rita can’t believe Ines would talk to her like that. I mean “who does she think she is?” Looks like Rita’s already wearing the imaginary crown of ‘Señora de San Fernando’ and can’t imagine that others don’t see it. Man, don’t you just want to punch her lights out?

Back at chez Ric, Fran tells Lis over breakfast that if Al finds the ED letter, he’ll probably hold on to giving it to her until she agrees to formally announcing their engagement. Lis says she’ll try to stretch it out and Tia Fran warns that Al is not the kind of man who will take the stretching things out. Lis screams that she doesn’t want to marry Al. Not him or not anyone. Fran says she knows, anyone but Ric, but he’s married even if the marriage means bubkas. “When you get to be my age, alone, without a husband or children, you’ll realize how silly you’re being now. Can’t you see you can’t pass up this opportunity? How many men have shown interest in you? None! And how many do you think you’ll bump into of Don Alberto’s class?” Lis replies she’s not ready to give up just yet. Ric walks in and asks Fran what she was doing at Al’s this morning. Fran quickly says that she went to see Manuela ‘cause she’s come to see them so many times and it’s not their turn. Lis was going to come but she wasn’t feeling wel... Ric interrupts telling her not to lie. He knows Manuela left shortly after she got there and that she stayed for a while talking to LaFont. Fran complains that now he’s having her followed and he says: Yes, if it’s necessary. She asks Lis if she should tell him. Lis asks what? She says: what Al wants, to marry you. Lis interjects that she doesn’t want to marry Al, she swears. Ric says fine. If that’s her decision he’ll back her up. Then he storms off leaving a very angry Lis asking Fran why she told him that. Fran says she had no choice. Ric is no fool and she couldn’t risk him finding out about the letter. Lis complain that Fran ratted her out to save her own skin and Fran explains that it’s THEIR skin. Lis reminds her that she didn’t want her talking to Al and Fran says they couldn’t just leave it out there. Who else was going to help them? Lis says she doesn’t want to have to marry him and Fran tells that she might as well forget getting her father’s money back. She storms out and leaves Lis calling her name out. This is especially cruel since poor Lis now starts wandering through the house looking for her.

Well, this is definitely later than early evening! Sorry ;(

And now, on to part II:

Over at Cami’s room, Jimena tells her that Mario is very smart and surely he will get to the letter. Cami reminds her that Ascanio already tried, and Jimena says, yeah, but he was trying to be nice about it, whereas Mario will probably rip the cousins guts out. Cami is horrified at the thought and Jimena says Cami must think they’re in a world of Saints. Everyone kills and steals. Even Jorge & Al who give themselves all those airs are a bunch of thieves. Oh and by the by, do you realize you’re castrating your husband? Cami is impactada, and Jimena explains that Ric needs money and Cami is keeping him from making more. Cami says it’s ‘cause she doesn’t want him to go back to his old life. Can’t he just get a job? Jimena asks if she thinks that getting a job, like Ascanio did, will be enough for such a huge man as Ric. Do you want him to be unhappy? Besides, too many people depend on him: Mario, Pablo, Jesus, and a whole slew of others. What’s Ric supposed to tell them? Sorry folks, you’ll have to use your own nails for scratching. At this point, Lis walks by, still looking for tía, and Cami tells her she’s not there. Jimena comments that Lis gives her shivers.

Lis makes her way to the courtyard where she finally trips. Lucky for her, sexy Ric is there to help her up. He tells her that Fran is over in the orchard and he can walk her there. Lis says she’d rather talk to Ric instead. She complains to him that he originally came to SF to help them get dad’s money back; but now he’s doing nothing because he liked the widow. Ric sighs and tells her that he told them from the beginning that if Tim decided to leave Cami his money, that was his choice. Lis says Cami wrapped Tim up because she’s a “mañosa” (a trickster). Ric replies that Cami is no mañosa and Lis replies that she bewitched her dad and now she’s bewitched Ric. Ric replies that he doesn’t believe in those things, even if some of his buddies do. She cries that the money was hers, and Ric’s. He asks what she’s getting at and she tells him to leave Cami. She’s only with him for money, not because she loves him (faulty logic when you consider that Cami has the money, but there ya have it). Ric replies that Cami does love him. Lis tells him he’s wrong; and sooner or later he’ll realize that the only woman that truly loves him and will never betray him is herself. Then she starts feeling him up (eek!), and then mercifully (for us) walks away.

We return from commercials to find Cami cleaning up some Rose petals in her room (where the heck did they come from?) and Ric walking in. She tells him that Jimena told her that she’s been castrating him. He makes the cutest mortified face and says: “Holy God, I hope not!” She laughs and tells him she means that she (Cami) doesn’t want him to return to what he used to do. He tells her that their world is difficult, cruel and violent. Cami got to see it when she got kidnapped. The war that has been waged between the powers for many years is spiteful and full of “garrapiña” (This usually refers to “garrapiñar” which means to sugar coat or caramelize. But I found it as another word for “garrafiñar,” which means to take away by grabbing. I’m guessing they meant this one.) and a struggle over a territory. Her people are lucky because it doesn’t reach them. But in the islands and the coasts, there is destruction and death. People loose their homes and possessions. Mothers loose their sons and wives their husbands. For those in the sea, it is terrible. It is merciless and without contemplations. But as they were saying, he will have to return to his life sooner or later whether he likes it or not. He says he’s been meaning to tell her something. When it’s about feelings, sometimes people won’t speak and become cowards. Camila can’t imagine Ric as a coward. He says it would be out of fear of losing what matters the most to him, the only thing, which is Cami. She tells him to spill it already! He explains that he rushed things because of Mancera. She says she remembers he wanted to wait until he followed Gaspar’s instructions. He says yes, to get his pardon. This would imply other things. He asks her if she ever wondered how a wanted man like himself, who could be punished by death, would show up in her town using his real name? She asks for an explanation. He explains that he used a false identity. Ric was his baptismal name, but he is actually Ricardo de Salamanca. She asks who she married then? He tells her he used another person’s documents. She blurts out as she realizes that they are not married, she’s actually his “querida” (mistress, kept woman, girl on the side, etc.). She asks how he could do this to her? He lied to her, her father, the entire town. He says her dad forced his hand because it was a desperate situation. She tells him not to blame her dad for this. He tells her he’s not blaming her dad, he considered it necessary. At any rate, he doesn’t think of her as his mistress or his lover, but as his wife. She reminds him they are not married and he says they are because his oath at the altar was sincere and came from his heart. She says no, she will not be his mockery. As she starts grabbing clothes out of draweres, she says she understood and accepted that he was a freebooter, but she will not live in “amaciato” (the closest word I found was “amación” which means enamored or in passionate love. I’m guessing it’s another word for living as married. Either that or I misheard) with a man who would tell her such a horrendous lie. He tries to explain that he wanted to tell her, but was afraid she’d react this way. She says he was right to be afraid. He made her think she was his wife and he says she IS because he loves her. She tells him if he loved her, he wouldn’t have subjected her to such shame, he would have told her the truth. He says things happened too fast: Her dad’s illness, the taking of the concessions, Mancera’s pernada demands. She says she would have preferred it. It would have been less painful than realizing he lied to her. Come to think of it, maybe there is no Don Gaspar. Maybe he married her because he was left without any money and figured he’d live at her expense. He says she can’t possibly believe that and she says she does because it’s what she sees. He gives up and says if that’s what she thinks, then has nothing else to say. He exits as Cami hugs her clothes and bursts into tears.

We now see Ric looking through the window as Cami goes off in the carriage. Cleo the chismosa also watches and runs to tell Lis and Fran. They speculate it could be a trip, or Ric is sending her ahead and plans to join her somewhere. Cleo says she doubts it because he didn’t even say goodbye. Lis and Fran do an internal happy dance. Lis goes to Ric’s room and asks if Cami left on a trip. He tells her no, he told her he’s Salamanca and she left him. Lis asks if Cami will turn him in and he says she won’t because she loves him. Lis reminds him hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. She then tells him she’s afraid, let’s run off somewhere! He says he can’t because he has things to do. She says all his comings and goings have her worried. Is he planning an assault on Veracruz City with his buddies? He tells her he’s not; but the success in his commission will determine his future. She asks him to tell her about it. He says he can’t because he no longer trusts her. She begs him not to mistrust her and tells him she loves him too much to do anything that would hurt him. She bursts into tears and he reluctantly hugs her.

Over at the palace, Ursula asks Sofia what her interest is in having Santi recognized. Sofi tells her it would insure an heir to be the new SSF (Señor de San Fernando). Ursu replies that’s why she’s getting married and it’s only fair that her son becomes the new SSF. Sofi says if Ursu has a boy they can see. But until then, Jorge has a right to take some precautions. Ursu complains that this is all Sofi’s doing and it’s because she hates Ursu and wants Jorge to recognize Santi so he can replace her. Sofi says those are not her intentions. She does love Ursu, but she feels that after all these years of the townsfolk having to deal with Jorge’s abuses they deserve a good and just ruler. Ursu asks where that leaves her. Will she have to share with the bastard and his wife the maid and his mom the midwife? Fortunata, who’s been there the whole time, interjects they hadn’t thought about this and asks Sofi if Santi would move to the palace with his whole family. Ursu asks if they can imagine the “runfla” (a gang, or just a bunch of people) of plebians filling the palace. And Santi’s wife is pregnant and it will be worse when the baby’s born. She says Sofi just wants revenge on Jorge because he no longer loves her and on Ursu because she didn’t turn sour and bitter like Sofi. But she’s not putting up with it, and she stabs the bread with a knife for emphasis before she runs out. Fortunata turns to Sofi and asks if there was any truth in what Ursu said. Sofi says in parts. She does love her in spite of her character and defects. Besides, she’s her daughter, she gave birth to her. But she was also sincere when she spoke of the people. Fortu says that Jorge’s not a bad ruler, the people respect him. Sofi says it’s ‘cause they fear him, because he’s a despot that recognizes no law but his own. He runs over, abuses, destroys families, destroys lives. Fortu points out Sofi won’t forgive what he did to Justo and Sofi says no. He took advantage of and old and sick man because of his lechery in wanting to sleep with his daughter. This cannot be forgiven even by God. Fortu says fine, but that’s not Ursu’s fault. Sofi points out that she’s too much like her dad. The people are tired of having an unjust libertine for a ruler, and for them to fall in the hands of a woman who’s depraved and capricious would just be too much.

The carriage arrives at Chez Camila, and a happy and surprised Candida greets Cami who goes crying to her room followed by Jimena. Jim (I kinda like this one for her) tells Cami she’s making a huge mistake. Who cares what his name is?! She loves him and he loves her, end of story. Cami says she wouldn’t understand and Jim says of course, ‘cause she’s a donkey, a woman who was born by the stream and knows nothing about decency or any of that. But “good people” like them also hide their refuse. Didn’t she tell her that Vasco had to marry Ines because he boinked her? And what about what Vasco did with Bernie? Did she publish to the four winds how Santi was hounding her, Cami says he didn’t, and Jim continues that he did, but off course the dirty laundry is washed at home. Cami cries out that Ric tricked her to get what he wanted, to make her his mistress because pirates or whatever they want to call themselves have no morals, or law or religion, and to them it’s all the same: shacking up or stealing a woman or romancing her and that’s what he did, he romanced her and she fell for him like an idiot. Jim says fine, what are you gonna do tomorrow? What will you say when people figure out you left your husband’s house? Are you gonna tell them it’s because you discovered he’s Ricardo de Salamanca, a pirated known as El Antillano? Cami pouts and says “Maybe.” Then cries into her pillow.

It’s now nighttime as Vasco arrives at Chez Justo and Ines asks why he’s so late? She thought he was only going to the mill. Did he go to see Santi? He says no, someone broke in and stole a bunch of sacks of grain. He and Jeremías took up a new inventory and lost track of time, even though he’s famished. She starts to serve him dinner as he asks about his dad. She says he’s fine and you won’t believe who came over? Your sister Rita. He asks how she’s doing and Ines replies that she saw her quite improved. “Do you know what she told me? That my brother is the son of Jorge Mancera. She said she overheard mother and Ascanio talking about it and that if Don Jorge recognizes him, he could be the future SSF. I didn’t dare talk to my mother because I figured she’d be very upset with the news and according to Rita, Don Jorge forced her. She heard her talking about it with Ascanio.” Vasco asks if Ascanio’s home and she says yes. Vasco starts to go in the house and Rita tells him to wait until tomorrow. She couldn’t bring herself to ask him and Ascanio went straight to his room and was very serious, didn’t even have supper. Vasco mulls it over and says he can’t believe it. Wonder if he’ll recognize him? Rita looks worried. I wonder if it’s over the situation or over the fact that her hubby is almost as cold about it as his crazy sister. Maybe it came from Mom.

Sexy bedroom shot of a shirtless Ric brooding. Alternating shot of Cami sitting in bed crying, taking off her wedding ring and looking at it. The two shots take turns until Camila finally puts the ring back on and kisses it.

Next morning, Vasco goes to the forge looking for Ascanio. He asks him why he left the house so early. He says he woke up and just went straight there. Vasco asks if Santi’s home and Ascanio asks why. Vasco explains that Rita went over and told Ines that Santi is Mancera’s bastard and wants to know if it’s true. Ascanio is uncomfortable. The poor man is one of the few that can actually keep a secret around here! Vasco tells him that he knows Ascanio knows so don’t pretend. Ascanio says it’s true. Vasco asks where Santi is and Ascanio tells him Monte Carmelo. Vasco comments that with how much Santi hates Jorge, it must have landed like a kick from a mule. He asks Ascanio how this all came to light and Ascanio looks pensive.

Ric is dressed again (sigh) sitting at his desk writing a letter to his padrino. He writes that unfortunately, he hasn’t been able to get any evidence, but he is convinced that one of the bands of robbers is captained by the SSF. On another issue, he would like to learn about the possibility of lending his services to the Spanish crown. It is vital that he obtain his pardon because if he can’t achieve it, his life will cease to have a reason. As he leaves his room, he runs into Lis. She tells him to come with her because she wants to show him something, in her room. He looks uncomfortable and asks why she can’t just tell him. She says he has to see. She takes him to the strongbox and tells him she had it make to store valuable things. She wasn’t able to rescue too many of her father’s jewels, and it’s not like they had a lot of money, but here it is. She opens the big box and there is a smaller box inside filled with gold coins. She asks if he remembers the money they once found on his mother’s doorstep. Ric has a flashback to asking Cami if she knew anything about it and her telling him she doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He tells her she’s a terrible liar, and that’s one of the things he likes about her. Back in the present (ok, theirs, not ours) Lis tells Ric that it’s his. He thanks her, but says he has no intention of touching it, and don’t worry about him. She says of course she’ll worry. He has no money, and she’s offering it with all her heart. Ric says no, but thanks. He leaves and she slowly comes to her knees with tears down her cheeks with surprisingly little drama.

Ric finally makes it to courtyard where he tells Pablo he wants him and Jesus to be ready ‘cause tonight they are going to go see if the caravan gets attacked. Pablo asks “Just the three of us?” Ric assures him they will do nothing, just observe and see if they recognize anyone. Pablo smiles and says good (probably having no desire to meet with the same guys that he saw when he got stabbed!). Ric asks if they installed his wife and if Pablo heard anything between her and Jim. Pablo says he wouldn’t know if they said anything inside the carriage, but when they exited they were both very serious. He asks if they had a problem and Ric shooshes him. Pablo says allright.

A carriage arrives at Monte Carmelo with Ofelia, who asks the driver to wait for her. She makes her way past the poor and kisses the priests hand. She then enters and sees Santi in the courtyard reading. She asks how he is and he says he’s calmer. He asks how she is and she says worried about him. He tells her not to worry and they hug.


Next episode:

Mario and Foreman discuss how Ric got married. Foreman tells Mario that he was planning to visit Ric in SF. Ominous music plays. Maybe Mario will have to change his plans to warn Ric. Cami runs into Ric. Will they reconcile? All will be known on Friday.

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Thanks Margaret! A nerdy note to you and other recappers ... You may not know this but your post was full of very strange coding. And it came out in two typefaces... I fixed it but try to remember to use notepad or "save as text file" or something when you compose to avoid weird glitches...
 

Camila to Ric:
Rose are red
violets are blue
you lied about your real name
so I'm leaving you

LOL at least Camila knows the whole truth now. So many anvils so little time LOL. Looking forward to tomorrow to see what happens next.
 

Hilarious recap! Can't wait for Part II, when our ditzy heroine once again lets her emotions disconnect her brain & she walks out on Ric. What an idiot.

I thought Grita was annoying as Little Miss Crabby Pants but now I REALLY hate her as Little Miss Greedy Beeyotch. I was kind of hoping Ines would slap her into next week...it's a good thing Grita's pregnant or she would have finally gotten what she deserves. Loved the line about Grita bugging Ofelia about the details of the rape not being the family tortilla recipe...too funny!

Most annoying characters: Lis, Grita & Cami (sorry but I know she's the heroine but the brain drain is getting on my nerves)

Best villains: Whorehey, La Bouffant, Whoresula.

Most loved: Ric (duh!), Ascanio, Jimena, Sophia, Mario, Ines, Ofelia, Manuela

Too soon to tell: Vasco, Saintly

Gonzalo could be very interesting...
:-)
 

Margaret: This part is great. I missed some of the details, and you filled them in.

Best part of last night's episode: Shirtless Ric in the Shadows.

Worst part of last night's episode: Smiling Grita.

From lower Ala
 

Question to those who know history and/or telenovelas better than I do. How much power would Grita actually have as Señora de San Fernando? She could use her money and position to bully people, but what could she actually do?
M in MN
 

So let me get this straight:

1. He kidnaps her to be sold into slavery. This is a severe inconvenience, but she eventually forgives him.

2. He admits that he lied, he's not really a spy, he's just a regular pirate (with all the bad things this entails). This is an unpleasant surprise, but five minutes of conversation is enough to smooth it over.

3. He tells her he's not using his real name, and THAT's what causes her to dump him.

Me, I would consider the false name to be the least of his sins, considering he's a wanted criminal. If she can accept that he's a pirate, I don't see the rationale for being upset about the false name that's keeping him from being arrested and executed.

On the other hand, that was Ric's third strike (at least). It was pretty dumb of him to wait this long before telling her. Still, I think her priorities might be in disarray.
 

M in MN,

I don't think she could actually "do" much in an official capacity, but she could blackmail or extort her husband (using their child, or info about Camila) to bully HIM into doing things.

Another approach, of which I doubt gRita would be capable, would be to sweet-talk him into submission. Just think of how easily Ursula was able to influence her father (about letting Santi out of jail) when he was in a more receptive mood.
 

Julie: good points! Of course, I'd be willing to forgive Ric almost anything...

I guess we're stuck with Bucket O'Tears for a few episodes.
 

Thanks Margaret, I liked the funny details you added.

Well, Cami's brain does a full tilt and she gives an Ursula tantrum...over his last name??? Ric thought she could handle a little bad news after everything they've been through and might act like a grown up. After all, she just finished saying how her love was stronger than dust. But no. Again, only thinking about herself, she stomps off to the empty house which was waiting for this. Now, I suppose Santi will have to rescue her from everthing, including herself...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
 

The part that stunned me about her reaction in that scene is that he'd already revealed he was pirate etc..., and she was able to move past that. But this woman doesn't look at her own actions. She has gone behind his back and bought the mill and he supported her in spite of the fact it was a bad idea that everyone was against. She had already revealed that his money was gone after he made it clear that needed to be kept a secret and that story has spread. Of course, he wouldn't want to reveal his real name to her since if she tells anyone it could get him hanged. But he did and she flips out. She needs to put on her big girl pantalets and realize the trust Ric is putting in her, and she hasn't done much to deserve it. M in MN
 

I got the feeling that it was the name Salamanco that really set Camila off [Tim was a hateful old wretch and Lis and Fran hate her and now she finds out that Ric is in actuality Tim's pirate nephew] and she seemed upset about the thought that she was his ''querida'' instead of his wife. Camila still seems very concerned about what other people think. Me...not so much. Shirtless Ric alone in the dark...wow!... I'm here for you dude...I don't care what your name is....because, yes, I am such a giver. DO NOT TURN TO YOUR COUSIN IN YOUR HOUR OF NEED. But we all knew that in true novela fashion our lovebirds were getting together a little too early for it to be forever after. There's going to be some stormy weather before alborada [dawn] arrives. And you know that it is always darkest before the dawn. And now the selfish, vapid GRita is all atwitter with thoughts of being an upwardly mobile yuppie.
 

They slept with each other before the wedding. She didn't seem upset about being his querida then! I suppose she has to have a drama or we wouldn't have anything to watch.
 

I forgot to say thank you for the recap , Margaret, in the midst of your busy schedule.
 

Back for another comment. I too think it was the Salamanca name and all the horror stories Tim told Camila about his awful pirate nephew that spooked her. And too Ric has put all his trust in her when she didn't keep his confidence. So after she thinks about it hopefully she'll see that Ric was protecting himself by not telling her his real name and he wasn't being spiteful. Seeing Ric in the dark shirtless looking so sad I wanted to give him a hug.
 

I would definitely not take Tim's word for anything!
 

Margaret, thanks for the humorous half recap, we'll look forward to the finish when you have time.

GRita is an ugly smirker almost more than she is an ugly crier. I almost couldn't stand watching Lis snot all over Ric's white shirt collar and his lapels, she is so repulsive with her clingy ways.

As maddening as Camila's stupid tantrum was, I think Pirate Babe has the right theory that she was thrown over the edge by the name Salamanca and all the unpleasant associations it has. She also must have realized on some level that Ric showed up with tia and snot-nose cousin to somehow get at her money and challenge her widow's rights. Once this is resolved (and wasn't Ric's being shown the little chest of gold a fun revelation...ohhhh that's where it went), Ric and Camila can get back somehow to being loving. Notice that she toyed with the wedding band like she might throw it but ended that scene with kissing it and putting it back on.

I felt like SG's best acting moment came when she had to pretend to be asleep and keep her eyes shut while Ric revealed his magnificent self in the candle light. OhbabyOhbaby...
 

Yeah...there's the chest of gold coins we were all wondering about....inside the strong box that Santiago made for Lis. At least now Ric knows that Lis and Tia are not broke...but he is and Camila just spent a lot of her fortune for the mill for her dad. He should have taken those coins Lis was offering him. After all, they're from Camila. I knew that Camila would live to regret that generous , anonymous gesture of sending Ascanio o o with the chest of gold for Lis and Tia. As the saying goes : ''No good turn goes unpunished.'' I wonder how long it will take Camila and Ric to get back together because you know that Lis will try her best to insinuate herself into her primo's arms now that Camila has left the building. Maybe the pragmatic Jimena will be successful at talking her into returning to Ric.
 

Cheryl~~~I must have missed something. I thought that RicRicRic was alone in his room when he revealed his magnificent self in the candlelight...or maybe my brain has just been blocking out Camila on its own. Anyhoo, whether or not Camila was there pretending to sleep...he is magnificent in candlelight.
 

Camila will live to regret spending even one little night away from Ric's hawtness!
 

Julie, technically Ric did not kidnap Camila. Juancho's boys, a separate pirate group, did so. My impression was that Ric was reluctantly pressured into ferrying them to the island in his ship for the subasta (slave/servant auction). And Ric spent the entire time lamenting the trade in human beings.

I was COMPLETELY disgusted with Camila, and the scene just didn't ring true. Of course, they have to be apart - it's Rule #3 of the Novela Rule Book - but her complete switch from adoring wife to an attitude of anger and offended virtue just didn't work for me. I gotta bad feeling about the anvil coming from Gonzalo. I thought he just wanted a marriage of convenience to please Jorge, but now I get the feeling they're hinting he's got a little Jones for her.

Yes, GRita surely did reveal herself in all her glory, didn't she. My opinion is revised; at first I thought she was just evil because of obsessive love for her sister's boyfriend. But it turns out she's completely lacking in feeling for Santi's family, and this after Ofelia practically shoved Santi into her bed!
 

Bess/Susanlynn, Well I'm the disoriented one. You are so right, Ric was in his own bedroom alone showing us his magnificent shirtlessness, because that twit-brained wife had fled to pout in her own house so she could be indignant about a little name change. I DID deserve to be there but Camila did NOT.

The most we can hope for GRita is that the baby will be really, really ugly and cries all the time and/or spits up on all her new rich gowns which I assume she will start having made in the next episode before anything is resolved about the recognition/acknowledgement by Whorehey.
 

Cheryl~~~OK , so that's settled then...Ric was in his magnificent shirtlessness in the candlelight....alone...not with Camila. I thought that might have just been wishful thinking on my part. I'm glad we straightened that out. Now, we're back on track. Too bad we have to wait until tomorrow night to see him wake up shirtless and alone in the A.M. Que lastima.
 

So much happened in this episode. Thanks margarita for a good half-synopsis. Looking forward to the rest.

Even though Camila acted like an idiot, we have to remember that she was (until Tim took her under his "wing") an unsophisticated small-town girl. And being back on her home turf makes her adhere to the values and opinions of the people who brought her up. So it would be scandalous if she's not really married, living in "sin" with the whole town knowing. Also, her beloved father is getting over a stroke and she doesn't want to give him another one when he --and the town--finds out she isn't legally married to Ric. I think that motivated her extreme reaction to the news. Also, let's face it, she and Ric fell in love quickly, without her really knowing or trusting him. So it would be scary to find out that he has been lying to her on several issues. I think she panicked and just ran away from her fear. I agree that she;s kept his mother's ring, and I think they'll be back together fairly soon. (I hope).

Ditto about Ric in bed bathed in that blue light. It really took my breath away!!! He's a fine specimen.
NJ Sue
 

Maybe finding out the name got to her because she realizes that makes him a tialover?


*runs and hides*
 

5ftlatina~~~hahahahah~~~Si !!!~~~Your comment gave me the giggles because I have had the same thought but was afraid to post it !!! However, on the plus side, RicRicRic is not an abuelokiller. [Well, actually , he probably has killed a couple or 3 pirate grandpas throughout his years at sea.] Yikes, he and Marcelo...peas in a pod !!! And didn't that kidder Mario tease him about having the hots for his tia after they had just arrived in San Fernando and Ric caught sight of the lovely Camila????
 

5 ft. Latina, Thanks, we needed that moment of el absurdo sin limites, tia lover indeed.

I am enjoying Marcelo Córdoba as Ascanio. At least this time he is still muy, muy guapo pero un muy buen hombre. So they don't have to kill him off like a mad dog.
 

Oh...I forgot to mention...the shirtless-Ric-in-the-moonlight scene? He was NOT alone...I was there, hiding in the shadows. Hey, if Cami wants to be an idiot & toss him because of something silly, then he's all mine.

If you rewind & look closely, you can see my hand surreptitiously sliding under the covers.

:-0
 

Actually, Cami did feel guilty about sleeping with Ric before the wedding, so she does have a problem with being his querida. Remember she thought that her father had his stroke as a punishment for her actions?
 

Mad Maggie~~~Sistah !~~~~~Wow !!! I do not know how Cheryl and I missed seeing you . Well, we were probably focusing on RicRicRic's shirtless majesty. It was dark...just the candlelight and all. Who knew how crowded that bedroom was !!!! We should have taken a number like in the bakery. Speaking of bakeries...I still have a really vivid mental image of Ascanio o o making me some cinnabons. ~~~Your sistah, Mad Bess, lost in the moment who has embarrassingly lower standards than Camila
 

Well said, M in MN! Cami's stated several times she didn't care what people said---followed by asking what will people say. She's so undeserving of Ric. LOL

Well maybe while Cami is busy feeling sorry for herself, my MMM (Main Man Mario) will get more airtime. More Ascanio too please...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
 

jb, I guess I've missed Cami saying that she doesn't care what people think. I just remember her worrying about what people think, which is really true to her upbringing. However, she will get over this quickly and she will get over caring what people think at some point.
 

Margarita, thanks for the recap so far. I always appreciate getting the details I missed. It was hard to accept that Cami could be so small-minded in leaving Ric (and so stupid as well). She's losing both her true love and her best protector. We knew some type of separation was coming, but I was furious at her. Also infuriated with gRita and her selfish, shallow attitude. Definitely needs a cranky baby with lots of smelly spitup on her gowns. And no one in the village who will work as her nanny.
La Paloma
 

gRita smiling and happy that her husband has found out he's the product of a RAPE raised the hair on my neck. As soon as she has that baby, someone should hammer her into the ground like a railroad spike.

LOL @ pirate babe!

Cami's contradicting herself all the time is making my head spin. You fell in love with a pirate! Either get with the program, or get off at the next port, missy.

(I think I'm still a bit delirious today after a shirtless Ric in the moonlight...)
 

OK, How many Margarets are there? I am also Margaret from MN! LOL. I guess I'll be Thursday Margaret.
 

Wow, you guys sure are tough on Camila! Or maybe you love Ric too much? :-) I love Ric too, but he is no saint.

Camila didn't fall in love with a pirate--she fell in love with a spy for the crown. She wasn't happy he really was a pirate, but she accepted that he had no choice in the past. She also knew he wanted to get out of it. She has said that she doesn't want him to go back to pirating, not just because she doesn't want him hurt, but she has told him more than once she doesn't want him to kill.

I think finding out he lied about his name was the last straw, especially that he is a Salamanca, but even more so that their marriage isn't really valid. She has showed that she doesn't believe in sex outside of marriage, even if she did slip up with Ric. That was the usual belief in that day and age, especially for women (I won't get into the double standard at that time). It may not be a fashionable belief in this day and age, but there are people who still believe it :-)

So, I think she has grounds to feel hurt, but I don't think leaving the house was smart at all, not that she is thinking clearly. If she doesn't want people to talk and she wants protection, she should have just gone to a room of her own.
 

someone said thar
t they like my theory abot cami and santi getting back together cause it starte out that way and in novela land it ends that way. i use the examle of amar sin limites we
here azul and diego strggle to the end. Well what abot this also.



someone said that only lasst friday cami told santi she does not love him WELL Leti told fernando that on numeroius occasions but she was fighting her feelings for himn. ALSO look at the end of each evening, when it shows cami and santi running throufh the fields. I really think the stars were to be santi and cami even if ric is EL REY. and he is definitely awesome. I am just going by the few spanish soaps I have seen. May be he is in this soap just to get more people watching. Ret
 

Ric shirtless in the candle/moonlight...nuff said. :)

In Cami's defense, I'd be a wee bit ticked off too. Good for Ric for finally coming clean to her about who he really is. However I think he was a little naive in thinking Cami would be o.k. with it. I don't think they'll be apart long. Jimena is going to somehow trick them & get them into the same room.

Rita is about to get on my last nerve. Is there anyone in that town who even likes her? Or has she just flat out alienated pretty much everyone?

Well since Pasion isn't on tonight, I've been watching the debate on CNN. It's been interesting but I still am undecided on who I'm voting for in a couple of weeks. Guess I'll be flipping a coin (lol).
 

Ret, once again I hope you aren't disappointed when Ric gets Camila :-) All the signs point to it. In almost all novelas (ASL is an exception), particularly historical novelas, the heroine only sleeps with the man she ends up with, even if she marries someone else. Well, Camila has only willingly slept with Ric. You'll notice that Lety only slept with Fernando in LFMB.
 

And also wanted to add that in the end credits that's not Santi that Camila is hugging. It's Claudio from when she saw him in the fields and they ran to each other.
 

Thanks, Margarita! I can't believe Cami's going to be gone long. They just don't do well apart and she knows it.

Jeanne
 

Margarita, I just wanted to say that I love your no-punches-pulled style. :)
 

I don't dislike Cami, or blame her for being hurt. I just want her to stop swinging in the wind like a chime so much.

Yep--at the end of the intro, they were very careful to have Cami NOT embrace Santi OR Ric, and all three of them are in wedding attire, so you have to guess. I'm honestly not sure how it's going to end now! Original star-crossed lovers, Cami and Santi, or historical heroine only sleeps with the man she's destined for, Cami and Ric? The mark of a good novela is when you can't really predict, yes?

Well, as far as I'm concerned... the more Margarets, the merrier. :)
 

Whew! That was a wordy one!

Melinama: Sorry about the formatting issues. I pasted it so fast this morning I didn't have time to look through it.

Thanks for all the compliments! For the record, I'm actually a Margarita. In Spanish, it's the word for Daisy, but I'm not sure if it's true of all the Latin-based languages. I think Margaret comes from the German Margaretta, which means pearl. Gretchen means little pearl, which is why Goethe's Faust changes Margaretta's name to Gretchen.

Back to the novela, I know we love Ric, but he does have some 'splaining to do. Cami was raised in the days where girls knew that men could always leave them if they didn't marry, so her concern about Ric using her as his querida is quite valid. We must also remember that not a week goes by before Ric has some new info he either lied about or conveniently left out. There's only so many lies or half truths a person can take before they start doubting. It was quite cruel of Cami to tell him that he only wanted her for her money after he's told her he wants to go back to work and that he doesn't want to spend her money. It was also quite impulsive to leave such a good looking man who, in spite of his lies, has been quite good to her. Still, it was the shock and the fear (he could easily walk out on her tomorrow and go back to sea with all her money and there'd be nothing keeping him there). There's also the fact that he's Lis' cousin and he could just as easily have seen this as a way around Tim's clause of not sharing the money with the family. She needs time to cool off and he needs to do some major apologizing and perhaps tell his story from the beginning, with all the actual facts. Chances are Cami would not have agreed to a "fake" marriage to keep Don Jorge at bay, but she might have said yes if he'd explained it and told her that he wouldn't try to make her sleep with him and would re-marry her with his real name once it was cleared. Anywhoo, hindsight's 20/20 and it wouldn't be a telenovela if our heroes didn't have tragic flaws and make stupid mistakes.

My money's on Cami ending with Ric, but it could go the other way. I did have the horrible thought that they might do what happened in the 80s with "Gabriel y Gabriela" ***spoiler alert in case you actually have a way of getting a hold of that particular telenovela: We see her at the church, in her lovely wedding gown. We see everyone comment on whether or not she picked the right one. We see her looking lovingly at her groom. The word "fin" appears on the screen, and you start screaming at your TV screen because they managed to end this without ever revealing which of the two she ended up with!!!!****End of spoiler. I'll just keep watching and hoping to be awed =)
 

redmargaritabonney, dear...

Your efforts are much appreciated! My Spanish is MUY MAL, so if it weren't for you and the rest of the recappers, I'd have to make up about 70% of the story. LOL Truly. Thanks.

I'm gonna look at Cami's intro wedding dress a little closer tomorrow. Seems to me it was rather simple, compared to what I'd expect her to wear if she married the man who ended up the "most titled"...? Just a thought.

I really liked that ending scene, where Santi comforted his mama even in his pain. Poor dude. Always getting the shaft one way or another (even if it has $$ attached to the end of it).
 

to anon. regarding my disappointment about who marries cami. actually like the idea of ric and cami and he is a hunk. i was just going by y interpretation of other novelas. now that ialso know that the man sh runs in the fild with is not santi, i am going with ric as the husband to those in
fea land who always broght up that there is a man more guapo than jamie and it is ric, i think compared to jamie with his curly hair ric is more guapo, but compared to jamie with his hair back and wearing a suit and the loving looks he gave letie, jamie wins ps can anyone tell me how to retract something already sent. my last comment was atrocious with mistakes. ret
 

food for thought regarding grita. i am a mental health therapist and what i saw with her wednesday appeared to be of someone having a breakdown. the inappropriate laughter,the look in her eyes, the irrational thinking etc. maybe between her seducing him when he was in love with the sister and then hiding the letter camile sent santi, took a toll on her. i know this nothing new, but i am thinking that it only took such a bad toll on her, because of how everyone is shunning her and showing that she is getting the treatment that she deserves. maybe she doesn;t die. she winds up in a psych hospital, such as acasia in destilando amor or commit suicide like the woman who jumped to her death in a recent novela (she was a judge on "cantando por un sueno"
 

So much speculation!

Rita's going to die, they can't allow her to live and be the future Senora of San Fernando. Now ... will she run off in a snit and fall off a cliff? run off in a snit, go into labor in a field somewhere and die? just die in bed in childbirth? or have the writers come up with something, um, DRAMATIC to get rid of her?

And Ricardo offering his services to the Spanish crown - I think what's intended is that he'd get what the English called "letters of marque" which makes him a privateer ... a pirate who preys on everyone except the Spanish. So he gets pirate booty but he's legal in Spanish territory and waters.

Toddson
 

Margarita/Margaret/Daisy: I just finished reading your complete recap this morning. It is just great. Now I am ready for tonight's episode.

One evil thought has crossed my mind: LaFont and Lis finally hook up, and he locks her in a room forever. She is turning out to be the scariest character in this novela. The other bad guys don't trust each other, but she has a sort of benign appearance and could really be the deadliest snake in the grass.

From lower Ala
 

I don't think a mental hospital is an option for gRita, since they didn't exist yet. I'm not sure what they would have done with a madwoman in those days. I don't think there was really a plan. If their madness led them to commit crimes, they'd just get put in jail, but other than that, I just don't know. I think it was up to their family.

Ret, if you post as anonymous, there's no way to delete your own comments. You need to create a login and then be logged in when you post your comment. Then you'll be able to delete it later.

(I'm not sure if it has to be a Google/Blogger login, or if you can also delete comments that were posted under an OpenID - TypePad, WordPress, LiveJournal, or AIM.)
 

I have question for you history buffs out there in cyberville. Do you think this story is taking place before the Spanish Armada was defeated by the British? I saw ''Elizabeth: the Golden Age'' and her privateers really surprised the Spanish . Spain thought the Armada could not be drfeated. As for the care and treatment of the insane. In ''Jane Eyre'', the insane first wife was a big secret hidden away in the attic. I'm sure that this is what happened to many poor souls in the past, especially if they had a violent nature. However, I don't think that GRita will go insane. GRita just has no moral compass. She is in her own little world [GRitatown] wrapped in an odd mixture of egotism and low self esteem. [In my reading class, we just started a chapter on siblings and the personality of the middle child. GRita has none of the good qualities attributed to children holding this position in the family. ] Somehow she will pay for her nasty selfishness, but I don't know if she'll pay with her life. As for Lis, in the beginning ,I felt compassion for her because of her blindness and her evil father...not to mention having to be with Fran all day, every day. However, her obsession with her muy guaypo primo and her crazy jealousy over Camila will be her downfall. Let's face it, it has never really been about the money for Lis : it's always been about RicRicRic. She seems to grow more and more delusional about her chances of getting Ric for herself. If Tia Fran succeeds in her efforts to push her into Lafont's waitibg arms, that will probably be punishment enough. [YEEEECH.] attracted to Lis ??? Does he just want to , or does he feel like it is a way to fill his cofres if he can help her get her hands on Tim's money . And finally, in the ongoing debate of ''Who gets the girl ?'',,,I stand firm in my vote for Fernando. He's got top billing and probably a bigger salary. Besides, Santiago is getting nastier and gretzier and less saintly and noble. The guy is on the edge. Thanks , Margarita for all the time you put into that recap. It is much appreciated. Can't wait to see what happens tonight. ~~~Mad Bess, goig back to the attic now
 

Nope, Susanlynn, it's supposed to be around the mid 1700s according to the esmas or Televisa web summary I saw (can't remember which, it was in Spanish and said mid siglo diez y ocho). The Armada was defeated in 1588 while Elizabeth I was still Reina, as you note. Of course, there have been a few anachronisms in this....

I like your assessment of gRita, who surely is a soul tormented by her own hand (or mouth). She likes to should on everyone. ;-) It leaves her in a constant state of turmoil because nobody is ever going to meet all her expectations for them.

Jeanne
 

Hmmmm...Lis says to Ric, ''Come to my room. I want to show you something.'' Wow! If Ric had a nickel for every time he's heard that , he would be a wealthy hombre and would not have to set sail on the high seas again. Que lastima. And that Jimena--I knew she would throw a pragmatic view on the Ric situation.
 

I don't think gRita's truly insane either, but her view of reality is very distorted. She could still have a breakdown that causes a lot of damage.

I was thinking that the only real chance she would have to escape death (according to telenovela etiquette) would be to have some kind of crisis with her baby that causes her to reform. There's no one in her life that she cares about more than herself right now, but maybe she will make an exception for the baby. That would be nice, but I don't know if it's realistic.

Still, I'd rather see redemption than a horrible death, as long as it's plausible. I saw a ray of hope on the night when she said something like wishing Cami was dead (or wanting to kill her), then immediately prayed for forgiveness. It's a sign that she does draw the line somewhere, even if that line is beyond kidnapping, rape, and slavery.

I don't recall whether she ever prayed for forgiveness for burying Camila's letter, though. Even if she did, a simple prayer is a pretty hollow gesture if it isn't followed up with an effort to reverse the damage or set the record straight - something she's never done.

So... I guess what I'm saying is that it could go either way for her. Unless dissing one's MIL is as deadly a sin as dissing one's own mother. In that case, she's probably screwed for the way she casually dismissed Ofelia's rape.
 

Now that Ric and Cami are apart, it's time for Lis to start driving in the wedges. Also, does that fact that gRita--still looking none too happy--shows up in the opening credits at the wedding mean she doesn't die? If so, Cami would have to end up with Ric. Her attire was not consistant w/that of royalty. BUT I've seen other inconsistencies in the opening credits, such as Ascanio w/out his white wig talking to Tim. He didn't shed the wig til Tim kicked the bucket.
 

I think grita can die even tho she is on the beginning credits, because cami's deceased husband is in the opening credits. If liz is
related to Ric how can she want him for a husband?

Julie thanks for the info. one more thing. Are there advantages to having an account? other than being able to delete text?
does it cost?
 

Anon at 2:55 today, No it doesn't cost to have an account. It is more fun for all of us to get a label/handle no matter how fanciful since wonderful personalities to emerge in this recapper/commenter world. It's also easier than remembering to add initials or a name at the bottom of each of your comments.

I have really enjoyed this session of philosophy, psychology, history and literature expressed in the comments here. Maybe that is the one advantage of having a weeknight off for preemptive programming. What a fun bunch of inventive thinkers are out there.

Susanlynn if you can see this from your attic perch, don't you think the Jane Eyre madmadfirstwife was privileged to have a whole wing of a mansion to herself?? I wonder if the poor (as in no money) poor souls were mistreated, died early or tortured as witches or devils by the various charitable churches dominating most countries at this time. GRita is actually lucky that her blended family is so indulgent. At least so far. But she is sure pushing everyone's buttons. They did have buttons then didn't they? If only on manly shirts that people like RicRicRic could unbutton to show us their breathtaking shirtlessness... but where was I. Oh, yes GRita even turns off Sofia who seems so patient with all the fools she has to suffer gladly or not in her own house.
 

Well, the things one can learn on the internet! As a former mental health nurse (in an earlier incarnation), I take a quasi-professional interest in grrRita's case. There is actually a website entitled Mental Health History Timeline

http://www.mdx.ac.uk/WWW/STUDY/mhhtim.htm#1654

from which I gleaned this nugget:

"Spain has been described as the cradle of humane psychiatry because of the treatment at asylums such as Valencia, Sargossa, Seville, Valladolid, Palma Mallorca, Toledo (the Hospital de Innocents) and Granada. Valencia, opened at the beginning of the century [we're talking 15th here] , is said to have removed chains and used games, occupation, entertainment, diet and hygiene as early as 1409

It's all quite fascinating and I also learned that name Bedlam is derived from Bethlehem, a location in London where the infamous looney bin was located.

So perhaps grrrRita might have received some humane treatment if she actually went off the deep end. I know others are terminally annoyed by her, but I get a perverse delight watching her evil warped personality.
 

Agnes NJ--thanks for the trivia bit! It's a really nifty piece of info to have. I knew about Bedlam/Bethlehem, but they were never progressive in England as it sounds like they might have been in Spain and much earlier to boot. I wonder how the mental health support translated to New Spain.

Jeanne
 

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"If you rewind & look closely, you can see my hand surreptitiously sliding under the covers."
Mad Maggie Marlow --LOL! I was wondering whose hand that was.....
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RedMargarita Daisy thanks for another dazzling recap. Loved your tortilla comment.
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It's icy and cold here in the Midwest, but it's all melted now around my computer room after rewinding RicRicRic in his shirtlessness and then pondering the possibilities of seeing Ascanio's cinnabon-bons not to mention MMM's.
 

Capt. Jenny, I'm always amazed when I read history to realize that those guys back then (whenever it was) were modern to themselves and they thought they were cutting edge just as we do about our own customs and institutions. I'm reading letters & documents from the Revolutionary War (us against King Geo. III) right now and it is so revealing how much my own assumptions have limited my views about civilization and its supposed advance. The world was already getting pretty small by mid-1700s. I'm guessing the larger cities (Veracruz?) may have mimicked the parent culture pretty closely (but with a colonial attitude). A podunk town like San Fernando may have been another story, so I would imagine if grRita goes nuts (postpartum depression or somesuch) she may end up at the mercy of some good nuns (Monte Carmelo?) just my 2 cents.
 

Agnes in NJ, you are so right about every generation thinking that they've got it all right, are on top of everything. Impressive the kinds of things you read! And just imagine what they'll say about us in a hundred years.

Jeanne
 

Wow. This has turned into one of the best (and most informative) threads EVER.
 

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