Tuesday, March 04, 2008
Pasión, Monday 3/3, #58: The good, the bad, and the Grita heard 'round the pueblo
Foreman is explaining his new, improved scheme to Jorge, suggesting that the Dandy Highwaymen leave the loot someplace where the Salvatierra Gang will pick it up. This seems okay with Jorge as long as it's not within his borders! Foreman assures them that, although this gang had been messing with their heists before, it's because they didn't have enough to do; they'll behave now that they have an assignment. Jorge says that doesn't seem right; they had a deal. "I agree, It won't happen," Foreman says, and I'm not sure if he means the Salvatierra gang won't interfere with them again, or if it means that whole deal is off!
It's dark when Santi (the Good) gets home. Ofelia tries to get him to eat something, but he's still sulking. He tells her he'll go talk to Jorge (the Bad) tomorrow and see how he feels. They talk about Rita (the Grita) and how she seems to be possessed lately. Santi tries to blame himself, because he's been a lousy husband ever since Camila came back. Ofelia says it's everyone's fault for encouraging him to marry her instead of waiting. Santi blames Jorge, too.
Ofelia asks about his visit with Camila. He says she's fine, but he can't stand Ric. He senses that Ric's hiding something. Ofelia disagrees and reminds him that Ric's good with Vasco and Paco, and bought the mill concession. Santi says no, that was Camila's money - Ric has nothing! He's just a swashbuckler. (He asks Ofelia not to tell anyone else, for Camila's sake.) Ofelia asks if he's still in love with Camila. He admits he's never stopped.
Back at the palacio, Foreman is proposing what appears to be a new deal to Jorge: fixing paperwork for contraband. Y'see, back in those days (as Gaspar explained to Ric a few months ago), Spain was demanding that the people of New Spain import certain products (I don't know which ones) from Spain instead of getting them cheaper from someplace else, or making them locally. Obviously, this was not a very popular policy in New Spain, but I do remember Ric and Mario noticing a lot of contraband at Juancho's camp; apparently the caravan assaults were just a supplemental hobby.
So the idea is that Jorge will fake some documents claiming that certain shipments were properly exported from Spain. He balks at the risk, but Foreman says that right now, people are paying more attention to the stealing, while black market trade is being taken for granted and is very profitable. Lafont suggests that instead of doing isolated jobs here and there, they spread out into other municipalities (i.e. outside Jorge's domain). Jorge says he needs to think about it.
Sofia comes in to announce dinner. Jorge introduces Foreman. She greets him politely, but she gives him a hard look that suggests that she knows he wasn't on his way to church.
Ric and Mario have gone to Chili's for dinner. Ric notes that Gonzo, Mateo, and Uriel are sitting nearby, and Gonzo is drunk as usual. Mario mischievously suggests sending a bottle to their table. Ric orders them some good rum in hopes of getting to join them at their table and hearing Gonzo babble all kinds of secrets. It works. The grateful men welcome them happily.
After dinner, which we don't see, Foreman and Lafont go somewhere else (maybe it's just the inn where Foreman's staying) for a drink. Foreman notes that Ricardo seems nervous about the deal. Lafont says that Jorge has to protect his reputation, but he'll agree to it. Lafont hems and haws a bit and timidly (or mock-timidly) asks if Ricardo is a pirate. Foreman chuckles demurely and says "I know him as a businessman, but there's not much difference between a businessman and a pirate." Lafont pretends to be amused by the non-answer. "And what if he were?" Foreman asks. Lafont hints that Ric might be messing in their affairs.
He confides that the last time they did a caravan assault, they had no idea what was in those trunks, but one was filled with jewels fit for a king, and the other was filled with gold coins. Then Ric started looking for his money, someone broke into Lafont's house but didn't steal anything of value - clearly they were looking for something, because they broke in twice. (Foreman must be really unimpressed with Lafont's security team; geese would have done a better job.) He thinks it was Ricardo.
Foreman seems grimly amused by this tale - it was daring of them to steal from Ric, he says, and based on the rest of the story, Ric probably knows about the caravan assaults. "I think so," Lafont says. "I DON'T LIKE THAT," Foreman says. "No, me neither," Lafont adds hurriedly. But if Foreman can confirm that Ric's a pirate, then they'll have something they can barter with Ric.
Foreman doesn't think Ric cares what Lafont and his men do. Lafont explains that Ric has a letter of recommendation from Don Gaspar de Valdes.
Back to Chili's. Mateo are talking about the new girls at the whorehouse - two are very pretty and another one is supposedly a virgin, but they're going to auction her off. Gonzo slurs, "I want her for myself. Thanks." (Don't forget, ladies - he's siiiiiiiiin-gle!) Uriel asks Ric if he isn't interested. Mario explains that Ric's been married only a short time.
Ric asks if Jorge is coming. Uriel says some foreigner came by today, and he's probably with him. Ric says he met the English guy a few years ago, in Cartegena, the guy was studying the natural sciences. "Are you sure of that?" tactful Uriel asks. "Are you sure he's not a pirate?" Mario pretends to be amused and baffled by the question.
"Right here, the only pirate is YOU," Gonzo says. Ric plays dumb. Mateo tries to write it off as Gonzalo's drunkenness, but Gonzo is spilling the cats. He is letting the beans out of the bag, big time. He tells them how he went to La Mariana and they told him that he's really Ricardo de Salamanca, aka El Antillano. His friends try to hush him, but he's like a freshman at a frat party. He says Foreman must be a pirate too, and...
He wants to say more, but his friends distract him and he decides to talk about something else... Jorge! He says Jorge is dishonest, he's a cheat and a crummy friend, and Ric took away the woman that was meant for him, y'know, the miller's daughter, who became a rich widow.
Ric interrupts to defend his wife's honor. Gonzo says she's a slut - first she slept with the blacksmith, then with -
But Ric has knocked him to the floor and pulled a knife on him. One more word and it will be his last. His friends tell Ric the guy's been drinking nonstop for days. Ric doesn't care. If Gonzo mentions Camila's name again, he dies. "Okay, sorry" Gonzalo mutters. "And if he doesn't kill you, I will," Mario adds, resting his foot on Gonzo's chest. "Just 'cuz you strike me as a real fathead."
"You're a fathead too," Gonzo answers, and blows an all-too-rare telenovela raspberry at Mario, who follows Ric out.
An employee is trying to disperse the curious crowd, which includes Marcelino and I think the judge. Uriel and Mateo try to get Gonzo to leave. He's still yelling about Ric being a pirate.
Mario and Ric arrive home, talking about the confrontation and wondering if Gonzo would have said that if he was sober. Mario notes that the man seemed resentful towards Jorge. He wonders, if Ascanio can't help them, maybe Santi would? If Jorge recognizes him and he goes to live at the palace, he could "find out" some things. Ric doesn't want to ask any favors of him - Santi hates him because of Camila. If their places were reversed, he'd feel the same way.
Mario again tries to get Ric to pack up the plantation and go, where the women will be safe and they'll have a chance to think of what to do. Ric pauses as if to answer (or to listen to the background music). Then he turns and goes into the house without saying anything.
He updates Cami on the new developments: everyone seems pretty sure he's a pirate, but they don't have proof. He doesn't think they found out from Foreman. On the other hand, Ric knows that they've been robbing the caravans and selling the swag to Foreman, but he can't prove that either.
AND there's still that letter. She thinks it's nowhere. He thinks they have it, but are waiting until Foreman leaves. It appears, Ric says, that having Foreman around is cramping their style. He's unpredictable - he could be your best friend or a deadly enemy. He's like a scorpion who must be treated with care.
He reminds her again of the letter and the doom that will befall them if it comes up: the judge rules in favor of Lis, and the only way out of it for Camila is money that they don't have. There are two ways to get around it. First, he can sell one of his boats and his mother's house, buy some merchandise, and go up the coast, maybe as far north as New York if necessary, selling it off.
The other way out is to take to the sea with his peeps and go to the "country house." (I assume he means La Iguana?) She doesn't like this, but the legal way will take a long time, because it takes months just to break even. She says she can wait. He can't, though, because they'll put her in debtors' prison, where she could be bought by anyone, and he couldn't take it. She says she could, though! Ric thinks she'll end up at the hands of Jorge. She STILL doesn't care. Maybe it's her destiny. "It's not mine!" he answers. He's not going to let his wife sleep in some other man's bed while he tries to straighten out his life.
She says she just doesn't want him to die! He says he'd prefer it. They can't sit around and wait. Yet again she suggests that Bernabe, having always been such a sweet boy when they were kids, destroyed the ED letter. Ric is amazed that she can still have so much faith in others, but the world doesn't work that way. They can't afford to wait for the anvil to fall. They need to find a solution.
She's upset that he can't retire as planned. He swears that he wants to, but he didn't say it would be easy. It's not her fault. He tells her never to doubt his love for her, he loves her more than his life. Whatever he ends up doing, it will be with her in mind.
She says she's afraid. He says there's always fear, and it must be defeated. She sits on his lap. He asks her to believe in him. He swears on the blood of Christ that he will always put her ahead of his own desires and safety. Kisses. He begs her to set aside her "scruples" and their agreement not to go to bed before they can be properly legally remarried, because they need it. She agrees. There's some serious kissing. Now she's on top, and... aw, commercial, dammit!
Next day, the twins are unhappy with Ascanio for not keeping them informed. Ascanio says Santi didn't say it was okay to tell them what's going on. Crispin (or Pancho) angrily says Santi's more their friend than his. Fortunately, Santi shows up and asks what's going on. Ascanio explains that they've been asking about him. Santi apologizes and says he didn't feel like talking to anyone before. He says nothing's going to change - the forge belongs to his family (the one that raised him). The twins are relieved.
He asks Ascanio about the search for a new wagon; Ascanio says he's found one, but it's not cheap. They go to look at it.
Someone (the judge?) meets with Marcelino. They discuss what happened last night at Chili's; the judge (if that is the judge) says he's still impactado over what he heard last night. Marcelino tries to brush it off as drunken ravings, but the judge (if) says drunks and children always tell the truth. Marcelino insists that Ricardo is a gentleman. The judge (I guess he is the judge) says he's got something that proves Ric isn't such a gentleman as Marcelino thinks. Marce is tantalized, but the judge isn't sure he can tell him. He wants to make sure that Jorge is informed.
The two then squabble at the entrance of the building, each wanting the other to go first. Finally they try to get through the door at the same time.
Vasco goes to Ofelia's looking for... well, first he asks for Santi, then he asks for Ofelia, I half-expect him to inquire about the pigs next. He ends up visiting Rita, who is in bed, feeling lousy due to all of her recent disappointments - her MIL is giving her a hard time, and Santi even told Rita not to meddle when he was talking to his mother.
Vasco pulls up a chair to listen (he is turning into quite the saint!!). She dramatically says that she doesn't get why they're making such a drama out of this great blessing. It's so dumb of Santi, in Rita's opinion, to reject Jorge. She's not sure if Santi's really going to reject him or not, since he was only willing to discuss it with his mother. (As if Rita's opinion is such a secret.) He doesn't take her opinion into account. He has to think of his child. His mother thinks she's just being greedy, but they don't have to go on being poor.
Vasco he says he can understand it - Jorge abused both Santi's mother and Camila.
The mention of Camila's name causes Rita's eyes to roll back. When they roll forward again, Grita takes over. She says she could understand being upset about what happened to Ofelia, but she insists that Camila deserved to be raped by Jorge because she was always such a flirt. She was asking for it. To prove her point, Grita offers the fact that Jorge never attempted to "exercise his right" with her. (Rather than offer an alternative explanation as to why Jorge wouldn't come near her, Vasco tactfully concedes the point.) She talks about how she'd love for her baby to be born at the palace. "That'd be nice," Vasco says vaguely as she stares happily into space.
Mario is telling Ric that Gonzo, the drunk, has a grudge against Ric, but the other two (Mateo and Uriel) seem friendly. Ric says that if Jorge and Lafont take Foreman up on his offer concerning the contraband, they'll have Uriel sell the stuff at his store. Mario thinks the stuff will probably be supplied by El Chino - he's their buddy. Ric points out that this is business. He is frustrated that those guys could have gotten mixed up with French or Dutch pirates or whatever, and that would have been fine, but no, now Ric may have to betray his own people, and he can't do that. Mario says that if Foreman were in their shoes, he wouldn't think twice about it. He'd send Ric to the gallows with his hand on the rope.
Cami and Jimena show up just in time to barely miss this last morbid comment. They prepare to go out for breakfast. Mario says he needs to go talk to Uriel at the store. Jimena is curious, but Mario flirts with her and says she doesn't need to know. Pablo rushes in and breathlessly tells them that "the guy who was here yesterday" (I think he's being vague for the ladies' benefit) is here again.
Evidently, Foreman tells Ric about the conversation he had with Jorge and Lafont last night, but claims that he would NEVER betray a colleague; what about Ric? Ric says he doesn't need to - he's sure they (Jorge and Lafont) know he's John Foreman, since they rob the king's caravans and logically would have to sell the stuff to an English pirate. And here he is. Foreman then voices his own suspicion: what's Ric doing way out here?
Pablo, Mario, and the gateman watch from a discreet distance. Pablo (who seems to be slightly out of the loop) thinks Foreman is up to something. Mario just says "we'll see."
Uriel is telling Lafont all about the incident last night at Chili's: Gonzo said that he was told that Ric is Salamanca, el Antillano, and the Englishman's a pirate and mercenary too. Uriel and Mateo were able to shut him up before he had a chance to blab about the stolen loot. Lafont is horrified by Gonzo's stupidity. Uriel also mentions the remarks Gonzo made about Jorge being a cheat, then said Camila was a slut, at which point Ric had had enough, and it was a miracle he didn't kill him. Lafont says it's too bad he didn't. Uriel says Gonzo's been drunk for days, and it's difficult to control him. Lafont says he'll take care of it.
Uriel asks again about marrying Manuela. Lafont says he hasn't decided yet. Uriel says maybe Lafont doesn't think he's a decent guy, but that's not fair - they're friends. Lafont says how would you like it if he had a daughter of his own and one of his fellow evildoers wanted to marry her. Uriel says something like it's not as good to have met someone as it is to know them. Ugh, well, however this idiomatic expression translates, it's probably icky. It disgusts Lafont, in any case.
Foreman says, since he and Ric are speaking frankly, Lafont told him that someone broke in twice without stealing anything, and thinks it was Ric. Maybe looking for some sign of the money they stole? Ric says that those guys may have stolen it, but if so it's vanished. Why waste energy looking for it?
Next, Foreman observes, Ric's got a well-connected godfather. Ric's looking to retire and be pardoned; perhaps he's here on some mission for Gaspar? Ric says he hasn't seen Gaspar in ages.
Ric tells Foreman he's got no beef with him, and thanks him for giving him the chance to make his money back. He says something about being initiated with a whip and not complaining (Foreman replies that all the new pirates get whipped). Ric says he needs to find his own life. Foreman worries that Ric will find that life by turning them in. Ric emphasizes that he would never turn in a colleague. Foreman asks again if Ric is doing an errand for his godfather. Ric flatly says no.
Jimena is calling Camila a hypocrite because she went to bed with Ric and then slept in a different room. Camila said she didn't mean to do it. She didn't want to. (Jimena worries that he forced her.) Camila clarifies; she didn't want to because it's not right. Jimena scolds her for being so stubborn and complicating her life. Cami says she's not complicating it - it's already complicated.
Clotilde is telling Fran and Lis that Foreman just left, as did Ric, Mario, Camila, and Jimena. Also, Ric and Camila are no longer sleeping in the same room, ever since she came back. Fran thanks Clotilde (what, no tip?) and sends her out. Fran grabs her parasol and says it's time to see Sofia. As for those two sleeping in separate rooms, Fran's sure that won't last very long. Lis says maybe he'll get tired of her! Fran scoffs.
Ric, Mario, and their dates go out for breakfast (or lunch - hard to tell, the captions always cover the food). Ric apprises them of his talk with Foreman - his suspicions about Ric being on a mission for Gaspar. He denied it, but Foreman won't just take his word for it. Mario doesn't think there's any way he can find out. Ric says they need to carry out their plan. Mario says it's too dangerous, and again pitches his own idea that they go away for a while, then come back with money. Ric nixes this. They split up for their errands and agree to meet later.
Santi and Ascanio are talking about buying an old wagon and fixing it up, and getting a sturdier horse, when Santi glimpses the happy foursome and gets distracted. Ascanio makes a slightly disapproving face as Santi hobbles away grumpily.
Mario goes to the store and asks for Uriel. The clerk tells him that Uriel went to see Lafont. Mario says he'll come back.
Santi gets to Jorge's just as Marcelino is leaving. Marcelino promises to have some documents (which may or may not be interesting to us) ready tomorrow. On seeing Santiago, he stares in awe and bows deeply and profusely. Jorge starts telling Santi that being señor is hard work. Settling disputes about cows wandering off their pastures, and such. Everybody thinks it must be the good life, good food and drink, having fun, but don't you believe it, there's more trouble than pleasure. (I just realized, he's appealing to Santi's sense of unfun!)
He needs someone who can help him, and who better than his son? He reaches for a hug and Santi steps back and reminds him of that time when Jorge crippled him for trying to defend Cami. He says likewise, Jorge can't be happy with the particular son that God gave him. Jorge says they can come to an understanding. He tries to shame Santi with religious talk of forgiveness. It doesn't work.
Fran and Liz are hanging around outside the palace; Lis is worried that they haven't seen Lafont. Fran says the message he sent was perfectly clear; it (the processing of the ED letter as evidence) is in the works. Soon she'll have her inheritance.
They run into Fortunata and Sofia. Fran says they were just on their way to visit, because something awful has happened.
Santi is sitting now and listening to Jorge. Jorge is explaining why Ursula isn't a viable heir, even if she produces a son of her own; he'll have a different name and live somewhere else. Santi thinks there could be another son, but Jorge says no, just this one who's grown up just right. He writes off his abuse of Ofelia as a "youthful indiscretion." Santi tells him not to blame it on youthful indiscretions, because he hasn't outgrown them. Jorge says "we are who we are." Santiago says okay, but we also have to make things right.
He is specifically referring to Jorge's non-rape of Camila. Jorge is upset that Santi knows about this, and claims that at least he's got one less whimsical act on his conscience. He asks if Santi doesn't feel a little better about it. Santi says it's a relief, but he wants Jorge to go public with it! Jorge feels that it's all water under the bridge now; justice doesn't exist in this world, and he doesn't want to make a total ass of himself in front of the whole world; instead, he's trying to make it up by recognizing Santi. Santi says he'd rather he made it up by clearing Camila's name.
Jorge tries to get Santi to see that it's more important to have all of Jorge's power and stuff. Santi says he doesn't care for such things, and people already respect him, and he already has a very respectable name. "So why did you come here?" Jorge asks. He urges Santi to forget about Camila - she belongs to someone else now. Santi says that's Jorge's fault - if he hadn't messed with Camila, she'd be Santi's wife now. (Huh? Who's to say Juancho wouldn't have stolen her anyway?) Jorge claims it wasn't even his idea - his friends made him do it! He went to her in the bedroom, but didn't do anything.
Santi insists that Jorge must announce it publicly so that everyone knows that he didn't violate his ex-future wife. Jorge gets impatient and says Santi can't demand anything from him; Jorge is already doing him a big favor, giving him the means to go from lowly blacksmith to highfalutin' señor. Santi says it's no honor to be the son of a man that everyone thinks raped the woman who was to be his wife. He storms out. Jorge notes with amusement that Santiago lacks the breeding to ever give him a proper goodbye.
During the commercial break, Fran tells her side of the story to Sofia and Fortunata. Fortunata is amazed that Ric would put up with this behavior from Camila. Fran says it's because he's in love with her. Sofia says she's never seen Camila be rude to anyone, but Fran says people change. Anyone, the real problem is Jimena, but Camila always protects her. Fran says that just yesterday, Jimena tried to attack Lisabeta. (Fortunata makes a comical exclamation about "harrassing a blind girl".) Sofia doesn't seem convinced, but agrees to put them up for a while. They're thinking of going back to La Mariana eventually.
Lis expresses concern that Ursula and Jorge might not like having them around. She got the impression that Ursula didn't like them. Sofia waves this off as fancy, but says she'll speak to Ursula. Lis sheds some crocodile tears, saying her life has been so difficult since the death of her father. Sofia's expression is neutral, if not aloof. Fortunata makes sympathetic noises; Fran thanks them and thanks God. Sofia conceals 97% of her disgust, but there's impatience in her face as she turns slightly away. Lis cocks her head, as if trying to interpret the rustle of Sofia's curls.
Santi hits the forge on the way home and tells Ascanio they're going to test-drive something tomorrow. Then he gets home, where Rita fans herself and complains of the heat and fatigue as her mother works with some herbs. She asks Santi how it went. He breezes past her to get a drink.
A moment ago, Rita said she was too tired to get up and walk around; now she scrambles to follow him in hopes of hearing good news. He says no, Jorge's not going to recognize him, because Santi told him what he thought. "So, you offended him!" she answers. Ofelia tells her that Santi has the right to decide. "Sure, to decide for your family, your child, to give him a better life!" He says his child will have a good life, and dignity goes before money. She asks what's so undignified about being accepted by one's own father.
"Have you forgotten the whole story, my love? That man raped my mother. I don't want him for a father! I don't want to call 'father' a man as selfish and prideful as he! You know what he did? He never raped Camila, and all this time he said that he did." (Ascanio and the twins are watching from a distance, concerned.)
Once again, the mention of Camila turns Rita (who is bad enough already) into Grita. "I can't believe it. It wasn't your mother that mattered - only Camila!" Santi says he cares about both of them, and he asked him to deny the rape publicly, and he refused. She shouts at him for thinking that a señor would say something so ridiculous in front of the whole town (thanks to Grita, they all know now anyway). He asks if she would prefer that he look like a coward, just for the money.
"All this is for Camila. I'm sick of you not being able to get her out of your head!" she screams. He claims that it's not for Camila, it's for his own dignity. (I still think this is an extremely convoluted attitude to take towards the NON-rape of his sweetie!)
Ofelia yells "Enough! For God's sake, enough!!" Grita says it is indeed enough, she's sick of being marginalized, her husband and her MIL prefer that - that SLUT! Santi tries to tell her that her sister isn't a slut, but after insisting that certainly Camila's a slut, Grita doubles over with pain. Ofelia tells her to breathe deeply, and tells Santi to put her to bed.
The baby's not even born yet, and it's already trying to run away!
Lunes
Playing the ED card?
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I have?
Well, can I do it again?
So Foreman's a scorpion, eh? Does that mean he'll be at the wheel of the pie cart? (And can we get a flashback to the pirate initiation ceremony?)
I'm inclined to think that Jorge's lack of exercising rights with Grita says more about her than it does Camila - though it's really too bad she couldn't wait to get married and hop into bed herself. If she'd held out, maybe she could have hooked up with Gonzo. They're the perfect couple! They could spend all day muttering darkly to each other about That Slut Camila. (And, Santi? The time to run was months ago. You're just now catching on? Did you get a side order of brain damage with that limp?)
For those of you who are interested, the cutting of love scenes has begun. It didn't seem to me that the parts cut were really more explicit than what was left in, but your mileage may vary. Here is a link to the scene uncut (not the best quality, but you get the idea):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYcYFDOUHSU&feature=
I knew the Foreman as scorpion crack would inspire some wisecracks. It was definitely a nice touch!
I had a feeling there was something missing from that love scene. For the sake of my own recapping convenience, I definitely could have done with more lovin' and less talkin' last night.
I could not believe all the lengthy conversations. Even when they're mostly rehashing, I feel like I need to capture most of it because it's important (and very challenging) to keep track of who knows what!
Cami, my dear, get a clue. Your widowed status (with its fortune) is on shaky ground, your current husband is a wanted man, you're surrounded by people who want you dead (Fran, Lis, Grita, Whoresula), and you think all will be fine? About the only thing "fine" in your world is your husband, chica!
Foreman is interesting. He'll take care of himself first but he wouldn't hesitate to take down La Bouffant or Whorehey if they mess with him. Let's hope there really is a Pirate's Code between him & Ric.
Fran & Lis are really starting to bug me. They need to chill with Grita in a damp, dark dungeon for a while. With spiders. And scorpions. And a really bad case of body lice. They can nag each other to death. Oh...I guess we can throw Clotilde in there too. I'm sure the rate is discounted for groups of four.
Saintly needs a good woman. He certainly has gotten the short end of the stick all the way through so let's find him a nice girl who can help him forget Cami & Grita.
What fun!
;-)
I thought Foreman was very interesting indeed. He's been more frank with Ric than with Lafont, but only a little. It looks as though he's trying to hedge his bets on both sides... but who's to say he won't get squashed between them instead?
Yep Gonzo was drunker than cooter brown. And you know what they say: liquor loosens tongues. It's true too!
Can Grrita just go away. Please. I'm begging. Maybe her, Auntie & Cuz can get a place & have a Cami bashing fest together.
I too went to You Tube and found the love scene. Sure enough an editing job was done for us U.S. viewers. I guess we shouldn't be surprised. All I gotta say is God bless You Tube! What have we ever done without it (lol).
My dilemna of the day: who in the heck am I gonna vote for today (I'm one of the undecided voters in TX). Guess I'll do a mental coin flip @ the polls.
Who else is excited about Carla Estrada & Co. publishing Crónicas de Pasión? The first ever behind the scenes book for a novela. I can't wait to get my hands on it.
A little off topic, but back to the calendar...no one has suggested Jorge (or I might have missed it), but Juan Ferrara is a very handsome man IMO. He would have to take off the wig though. I've been sighing for that man since he appeared in "Valeria y Maximiliano" back in 91...and yes I was only 8 years old. Anyway, he could get a short month...
And who ever heard of a good morning kiss - in the deep crevices of the neck below the shirt collar. And she couldn't keep her hands off him all day seemed like.
Yes I know. I have entered gRita land. But I will pull myself together by this evenings episode...what happened to the celibacy contract!?...Hush, Jimena!
Someone mentioned over the weekend that Uriel had been in a tiny LFMB scene. Now that you mention it, I think I remember thinking he was attractive. But those canneloni curls have got to go!
As for the love scene being edited, I watched the two side by side on YouTube and didn't notice a difference. I don't think we were short changed any romance between Cami & Ric. Of course, I'm the most unobservant person on the planet, so even with the two clips squared off against each other, I could have missed something (let's just say I used this comparison as an excuse to watch the scene again and again).
As for the calendar--Ric, Ascenio & Mario would be all that I'd need. They can rotate every three months.
It's not a huge loss, storywise, but as someone already pointed out, we're never spared any of the violence, so it would have been nice to get a full love scene.
Isn't youtube fun for playing endlessly those best moments, bless the folks who get the original feed and immortalize it for us to watch again and again and...
I saw a few episodes of the beginning week of Fuego en la Sangre, Dear Mad about ________ fill in the blank Susanlynn, I think we will all enjoy the heat of our Eduardo Yañez with a scraggly beard and a more steamy peasant role. The relationship between him and Adela was interesting with believable warmth building to heat to..., but I like them both, so glad they are coming to Gringolandia to entertain us next.
I'm still mostly sympathetic towards him, but his attitude towards Cami's non-rape just strikes me as seriously twisted, especially when he said it was about his own pride! Jeez, never mind HER pride - like maybe she'd just as soon they DIDN'T drag that ancient subject into the public spotlight!
The preview showed that Jorge is coming to Ric - may he will struck a deal with him regarding ED letter and his illegal activity. And I liked when Lafont srugged when he heard that Ric is Antillano. It is much worse then regular pirate - you don't mess with the big guys ( remember "Godfather"?) Now LaFont knows that he is in big trubble!
And thank you for a great recap!
Eve from Cleveland
.telling R how nice it would be to live at the seaside (Iguana)
.decorating his house in SanFer in just the right way that would show how she constantly considered his needs
.making up to his buddies to show R how she can get along with all sorts of people
.willingness to allow him to have a ramera in a section of the house since they won't really be married and he'll get his fill
.offering her secret stash of money
.inviting the previous boyfriend over so as to tell R he comes to visit when you're not at home
And now Liz appears to be vacating the property? I think she'll be working on another plan but it won't be deadly. As she has told Tia over and over again, I don't want Ricardo to hate me.
Now Grita is finally having her baby! I hope the baby doesn't take after her! Sheeesh!
(I agree with Cathy about the calendar...rotating the three guys over and over would be just fine!!):)
I don't want Grita to die without having to face what she did with Camila's letter. She would have to die soon afterwards anyway, though, because I don't think there'd be any room for her in San Fernando once everyone knew what she had done.
Alas, I think Santi would be more likely to accept Jorge's offer once Rita is out of the picture. I hope I'm wrong about that, though, because it would be fun to watch Rita slowly realize that her newly elevated position doesn't improve anyone's opinion of her.
After that, she can fall down the stairs, or whatever. I'm not picky. :)
Lordie how I hate GRita!! I do want her to be found out and ostrasized before she falls down the stairs. I sure hope Cami wrote her letter on a piece of Kevlar paper so that it holds together all these years.
Question for those with more telenovela experience - do they ever start a plot element and then just drop it? It seems the whole Claudio plot thread got cut short. And the letter - after several years buried in the ground, it'd probably be just a wad of paper with some smears on it. So ... are these things likely to be resolved before the end? or are they just sort of over with?
And when is this scheduled to end? I need to plan, ladies!
Toddson
Julie - OH. *Cracks up* Yea, I see where I misread that now. The kid's got more sense than his dad, then! Lord only knows which side of the family he got it from - it certainly wasn't either of his parents. Must skip a generation.
Some novelas do let plot elements drop, but at the risk of getting in spoiler trouble :-), this one doesn't.
If they show the rest of Pasion as hour long episodes, this will end around April 24th in the US (barring any more preemptions). If they show the last 12 or so hours in half hour segments like Mexico (where they showed FELS in the other half hour), then Pasion will end around mid-May.
It's true that some modern inks and paper can survive a lot of abuse. Paper of yore tended to be quite sturdy - in fact, at one time it was common for people to wash or otherwise erase their "paper" and reuse it (such a paper was called a palimpsest).
On the flip side, however, the reason you could wash or scrape your pages and reuse them was because most inks weren't so great.
I think the days of palimpsests are long gone by the time Pasion rolls around, but the paper was still probably far more substantial than what we use now. And let's assume, for plot convenience, that Camila used a ballpoint pen that can stand up to a little bit of mud. :)
But even if the shreds are long gone, there's always the chance that Fran (for some crazy reason) will mention the letter to just the right person, whose thoughts will immediately turn to the bitter, jealous Rita.
Did Fran mail it herself, or did she give it to Ascanio? Now that he's witnessed Rita's behavior firsthand, maybe he'll be the one to put the pieces together... figuratively speaking, if not literally!
D.O.B: March 3rd, 1966.
Happy Birthday, Ric!
Eve from Cleveland
Good point Julie! I can't wait to see this all unfold and for the life of me, I don't remember. Seems to me, Fran went off campus to do the deed and didn't they get grounded by Timmy? Or am I making all this up?
How come there are only 2 more months? Isn't this short for the usual telenovela, or does it feel that way because so much is happening, and there feels like there's no filler? Like everyone else, I too have come to really like Pasion, actually more than any of the others I've seen (LFMB-the end segments not the romantic early stuff between Letty and Fernando, Destilando, and some of Amar Sin Limites). I could do with at least another six months of it. And ditto --where is young Claudio. He certainly had a lot of charm and I think he has a good career ahead of him.
MinMN
In re the ED letter - so Ascanio can't testify WHAT Camila and Timoteo were doing in bed, but he could - completely truthfully - testify that they shared a bed. So ... would that help any?
Also, I'm hoping that La Paisana will turn up again - maybe teach Camila about having a backbone.
Toddson
LFMB was incredibly long because of extensions, even for a modern novela. The usual used to be 120 episodes, but they keep getting extended these days.
Whoresula and Foreman should definitely get together--although I'm not sure he could keep up with her in bed. She just might kill him (remember how she had Vasco wheezing, and he's pretty young). Well, at least they could spend some of their time arguing who's got the prettier hair.
Speaking of hair-- if only Lis would miraculously regain her eyesight right when LaFont's really close to her and trying to act sex-ay... so she can just BASH his forehead toupee in a few times with her cane. "Oh! Forgive me! But I thought a rodent had infested you, my love!" Every time I see the man, my own forehead itches. I just want to comb that thing back.
Speaking of Lis-- am I the only one creeped out by her obsession with cousin Ric leaving Cami for her? So that they can be a couple?? *gaak-- bile in the mouth* I do wish she'd stop that.
Speaking of Ric-- dang, things do not look good for him at all. Too many Bad Guys know waaay too much about him now. I'm with Mario. Grab Cami and Jime and get the hell out of Dodge!
Well, bummer about the letter, I had hoped Ascanio would know something. That's okay, though. It has to turn up, one way or the other, even if they find the pieces encased in one of Paco's watermelons!
Okay, so it's not physically possible... but just think how funny that would be. Especially if Rita got the prizewinning piece. "Eh - there's something chewy in my watermelon. Ooh, it's a piece of paper! I wonder what it says! Oh... uh... nevermind... *gulp*"
At some point in the soundtrack (can't remember exactly) there were these crashing metallic sounds. Ah-ha, I thought--the sound of anvils in the background.
La Paloma
Sylvia, back in the office of the boss.
I hope Univision continues to air one hour episodes. I was visiting my mother in San Diego, CA during the last week Pasión was on the air and it was painful to watch half hour episodes. (Sidenote: Televisa's main channel [Canal de las estrellas] airs in Tijuana, and San Diego being the border town has the privilege to watch it as well...so no need for Univision there.) Watching that Fuego en la sangre ad last night made me nervous. They cannot shorten Pasión or cut down to half an hour...who do I need to officially complain to in order to avoid this?
I must have Foresula hard on the brain. LOL
Jorge. No name.
Happy belated birthday to Fernando too. Holy cow I'm 2 years and 3 days older than he is (unless it's Leap Year then it's 4 days). Sweet!
(FYI: I wound up not voting today in TX. It was over an hour wait in line to vote. That was at 4:00 this afternoon.)
I was never sent to detention but I always KNEW you people were having fun.
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