Saturday, June 07, 2008
Fuego en la Sangre: 06/06/08 Pipe Dreams Gone Up In Smoke
Fernando orders Juan to butt out of his business, that is, to stop interfering between him and his wife. Juan calls him a hypocrite when Nonefer Nando says he doesn’t mistreat his wife and the two of them start in after each other. Juan and he have to be held off from pounding nails into each other by Eva and Franco. (Hmmm. Looks like EY has finally cut back on his donut breaks and gotten his buff back.) Nonefer, probably figuring that without a gun and his four goons he’d be no match for our well-bunned baker-boy turned bricklayer, sneers as any self-respecting bullying coward would, “Not to worry! I wouldn’t lower myself to a fistfight with a bricklayer,” and he swaggers off.
Franco tries to make Juan see that he needs to be patient where Sofia is concerned. Juan says the guy has got him angry as all get out because he won’t give her back her freedom. He is seriously considering running off with Sofia since the brute won’t give her a divorce. Franco says fine, he’ll support Juan’s decision as long as he’ll be happy, but he’s got to get far away from there.
Meanwhile, Oscar, who’s skipped out on work today, has managed on his first try to find his way to the very old folks’ home where Grampa Augie was brought. (I’ll give him points for actually starting with the closest and most obvious place to look for once and saving us in Viewerville from suffering through gawd knows how many aggravating wild goose chases in surrounding towns for the next month of Sundays.) Oscar has asked Dr. Matasano if Augie has been staying there. Dr. Matasano growls back nope, never heard of the guy. So Oscar, bright as well as charming, asks what other homes in the area the good doctor might suggest he could look at but devilish Dr. Matasano shoots him down with a rude, “I don’t know and now get out cuz I’m too-oo-oo busy.”
As Oscar starts to leave the hospital Sor Ratita catches up to him and rats out Dr. Matasano. She tells him that Don Augustin was living there but escaped the day before.
Augie is still hiding out near Libia’s grave site . Seems it’s getting chilly out there and Augie worries about whether Pablito found one of the Reyes brothers to come help him. The old guy snoozes while a nasty looking snake slithers into the clearing near his wheelchair.
Later that day Fernando tells Gabriela again that he’s leaving the hacienda since things have become complicated and seem hopeless. Now, with her father missing and unable to sign the bank papers releasing the funds they need, he doesn’t want to take responsibility for things taking a turn for the worse. Gabi begs him not to do it and says it isn’t her fault her father went missing. Feo whines that it’s not his fault either that his wife isn’t there with him now. He adds that she hasn’t done much to get her back for him. Gabi says she is waiting for an apology first, but Feo says Sofia is not about to give her one so he’s cashing in his chips and heading out.
Gabi begs him to reconsider and asks what she needs to do to keep him there. Whatever he wants she’ll do it. For a nanosecond Feo allows himself a secret, teensy-weensy, malevolent smile and a mental pat on the back for being such a master manipulator. “Tell Sofia whatever you have to, but bring her back, ‘cause that’s the only way I’ll stay.”
Oscar is now galloping back and forth through the forest at breakneck speed, supposedly looking for telltale signs of Augie and wheel tracks in the grass. (Dunno. Maybe I’ve seen one too many American westerns but don’t trackers usually take it slow so as not to miss anything? If they only had a t.v. in that town maybe Oscar could have seen a few of the same westerns and saved himself a few extra zigs and zags.) Back at the half-built bungalow Franco is telling Juan he’s bummed about Sarita giving him the big brush off. He kissed her to prove she was lying about not loving him and the bloody broad felt nothing. Whatever little bit she might have felt for him has gone up in smoke, he laments. Juan laughs and says he better come to grips with his situation and decide. “You can’t love two women at the same time. True love comes only once in a lifetime and whoever says different doesn’t know how to love or else has never loved.”
At the same time, Sarita is up in her room writing another love letter to Franco. She is weeping over having lied to him about her true feelings. Sarita admits in her letter that she really loves him with all her heart and that it took her a great deal of effort not to respond to his kisses while we see flashbacks of Franco all sweaty undershirt, do-rag and 24/7 stubble, getting ready to lay a big one on her. (Anyone ever figure out how they keep that stubble at a permanently skuzzy ¼” length? It’s one of those kinds of niggly nagging things you really want to know the answer to before you die.) For a second time we get to see Franco literally sucking the face off Sarita (while I go into gagging mode). She writes him good-bye forever because she cannot continue suffering like she has while he plays with her feelings. (Ok. So isn’t this the second time she’s done that? But who’s counting? Yawn.)
Outside on the roof Franco tells Juan he’s dumping Sarita now and going back to Rosario. (Lucky gal --not!) Juan tells him to listen to his heart the way he has listened to his own with Sofia, to the point of even thinking to run off with her. Of course he can’t because he doesn’t want to leave his two brothers alone especially since they’ve not carried out their blood oath to Libia. Franco tries to talk Juan into running away with Sofia if he really wants to and says Libia would understand about this and be happy for him. He and Franco will take care of their plan for vengeance. Juan says he has as much an obligation to the oath as they do so he can’t run off now. Franco says then run off with her for a long while and come back after they find happiness and the three of them will take care of their blood oath then.
Back in the forest Pablito has returned to find Augie with the snake near enough to bite. They try to wheel him away but the wheelchair is stuck in the soft ground. Miraculously Oscar appears from nowhere (literally –I’d swear he almost missed his cue and somebody pushed him). He manages to grab the snake from behind the head before it strikes. He turns around with the snake, points it in their direction, and sternly asks them what they were doing there.
We are beamed back to the convent where Juan is apparently angry over the Church’s refusing to give Sofia her annulment. Juan doesn’t want to wait the time it would take for Padre Tadeo to ask again, only to have the Church refuse permission again, and he persuades Sofia to run away with him that night.
We go through another disorienting time warp and Pabilito is apparently on his way back home when he spies Armando paying off the old woman from the fair and taking Luis away with him.
Oscar has now arrived back home with Augie. Quintina and Augie remember each other from her bread deliveries to the home. It’s a happy reunion for everyone and Augie has a good time explaining to her how Oscar rescued them from the snake near the beautiful meadow where he was hiding out. Oscar feels a twinge of pain as Augie describes the place to Quintina as a quiet, peaceful refuge. He tells her he thought it seemed like it was somebody’s grave site. (Your're half right, Augie. Try thinking "shrine".)
Back in town now, Armando brings Luis to Rosario’s dressing room at the Bad Love Bar. She begs to let her take him to church with her. Armando gives in and they start out. Franco has just come into the bar and ordered a drink. He watches from the other side of the room as Rosario walks through with Luis. He sees Armando leave with them and is impactado, thinking to himself that this must be Rosario’s secret, that she has a son with Armando.
Oscar enters Jimena’s room through the balcony doors again. She tells him they need to get married right away so she doesn’t have to spend any more time locked away in her room like this. Oscar stalls and changes the subject. He tells her he’s found her granddad, that Augie’s at his house and he wants to take her to visit with him.
At the convent Sofia has filled her pillowcase with her few possessions which she carries with her into the visitor’s room and is getting ready to sneak away soon with Juan. As she hears the nuns approach she hides the pillow case. The mother superior comes in to tell her she has a visitor. She’s excited to think that Juan has finally come for her. She turns around but, surprise!! It’s Mama (BIG let down!) who immediately lays a guilt trip on Sofia about her arrogance and selfishness. When Sofia tries to defend herself, Gabi tells her the only thing she can do is to complain. She should be thinking more of her mother’s health and emotional state or one day she’ll find her dead and (say it with me class) she will be sorry for treating her mother this way. For emphasis Gabi fakes another fainting spell. (Puh-leese, Sofia, just. step. over. this woman and walk away already, can’t you?). Mama keeps the act going till Sofia, in tears, is begging to be forgiven and frantically telling her she’ll do whatever she needs to make up for it. Gabi regains consciousness just in time to forgive Sofia and to scold her, saying that even so, when she dies her mother’s suffering will still be on her conscience. (The best actresses in Jollywood got nothin’ on Mama!) Curtain call, everybody! Curtain call!
We flit from there to Oscar and Jimena eating rose petals and making out somewhere. I suppose in the garden out back. Jimena stops and is obviously getting a bit too carried away now that Oscar’s nuzzling her ear in just the right way. She tells him he really needs to speak to Padre Tadeo about their plans so they can get married as soon as possible. He promises and that seems to be enough for her. They go back at it again.
Juan finally arrives for Sofia at the convent. (Dig that poncho! I want one!) Sofia tells him she cannot leave with him, that she’s a woman with obligations and is now giving him his freedom. He tells her the only obligation he has is to her. She says she has too many priorities, in particular, her ill mother who will certainly die if she leaves her. He is angry and hurt and calls her a coward for not putting their love first. Her decision is a huge disappointment but he isn’t going to force her, he says. What’s more, he won’t even continue to discuss it with her. So, good-bye forever and have a nice life cuz without her his is not worth spit. As he rides off she tells herself that he is right, she’s a coward but her conscience and her heart will not allow her to run away with him.
Juan (not so artistically) rears his horse as he gallops angrily away. He eventually arrives at his sister’s shrine. He cries and tells Libia he now understands how she felt when she found out that Bernardo Elizondo was married and had betrayed her. He says that Sofia Elizondo has also betrayed him. She played with his feelings and caused him to give up his oath of vengeance to her. Despite it all, he still loves Sofia so much; and he loves her as he could never love another woman. His love is for her and only her. The little flower on her grave is crying dewdrops.
Meanwhile, Sofia is sitting in her room in the convent crying and asking Juan to forgive her for destroying both their lives and sacrificing their love for the health of her mother.
Back at the hacienda, however, while the two lovers are dealing with their pain, Gabriela is happily strutting around her office telling Feo that she’s certain Sofia will return probably the very next morning. Fernando says then the only thing left is the problem with finding her father otherwise they’ll have to declare him missing or dead so they can change the documents at the bank. Gabi says it won’t be necessary. He’s too clever to have had anything happen to him and she’s certain he’s just hiding out somewhere.
At the Reyes’ Franco comes back home and is glad to see Augie there. Augie says it’s thanks to Oscar. Quintina wonders why Franco looks like he’s at a wake and asks who’s died. He says Love has died. He tells them both the [women] he loved he’s lost and Augie pretty much tells him “I told you so!”
Oscar and Jimena are still doing the preteen make out thing and again have to stop before things go too far. Oscar tells her he loves and respects her so nothing will happen until she’s his before God and men. (Whoever wrote this part of the script must have really O.D.’d on old Annette Funicello flicks the weekend before.) Jimena smiles and they kiss again.
Sofia promises the Virgencita that she will sacrifice her love if she will take her mother’s suffering away and make her better. Then losing Juan will have been worth it. At the same time Juan is still galloping around in the moonlight and screaming (EY’s signature, I guess) to the heavens for Libia to get Sofia out of his heart forever and always.
Back in town, Rosario takes Luis to church and they say a little prayer. While walking him back to the bar she stops in her tracks thinking the man in front of her is Franco, but she realizes he’s only a stranger. Armando has a big ugly laugh about it. She stops to wonder why Franco threw her over for another woman, but then figures it might be for the best since if he really knew the truth about her he’d despise her.
In his room alone, Franco moons over Rosario’s supposed secret and her son who he mistakenly thinks is Armando’s. “That was the last thing I expected of her –a son! A son!” Sarita meanwhile looks at the moon and pines away for Franco.
Oscar has brought Jimena back to his place to visit with her granddad. She tells him that Sofia is living in a convent and that her mother has been locking her in her room except to go out with Octavio, so she’s had to sneak out the balcony with Oscar to get there. Augie notices that something’s developed between her and Oscar while he was sent away. She admits they are a couple now and Oscar says they’re getting married. Augie gives them his blessing. Franco comes out from his room then and they ask where Juan is. Franco tells them that he ran off with Sofia. Franco says Juan told him himself that he planned to run away with Sofia that night. After Oscar leaves to take Jimena home Augie tells Quintina he knew Sofia loved Juan from the start.
Juan, though, is actually now at the rectory and talking with Padre Tadeo. “Yes, we were going to run away, Padre. We had verbally agreed to it but she decided to stay with her mother.” Tadeo tells Juan he needs to understand that Gabriela is very ill. Juan disagrees and says the old woman is faking it as far as he’s concerned, to maintain control over her daughters, to blackmail them somehow. Tadeo tells him then that love withstands all, gives all and forgives all. Juan admits he’s going to love Sofia for the rest of his life.
Afterward Juan ends up at the Bad Love Bar to drown his sorrows. He gets drunk to the Mariachi band there playing badly off-key songs about bad love. (Off-key, but they still sound a heck of a lot better than the stuff being played on those 10 watt Duranguese AM stations we get in the boonies here, the stuff that sounds like somebody’s cousin had recorded of their best friend’s amateur band performing at their sister’s wedding.)
A couple of the regulars notice Juan and one says that Juan never comes in there, let alone drinks. The other says tonight though it looks like something’s really bugging him. (Man, I can’t get over the size of those sombreros! I’m getting’ dizzy watching those huge things bob and weave. I guess though, it’s the law of the machismo jungle that just like their American counterparts, vaqueros and vaquero wanna-be’s always gotta keep their spurs and sombreros on. It’s just that with the size of those things, it’s a wonder they don’t all suffer from bobble-head syndrome down there in Puebla.) Juan can’t help it. He gets carried away by the words in the song and decides to sing along with the band. (Oh, no! Eduardo, as we all know from Desti days, can’t sing to save his soul. I‘ve been desperately praying they weren’t going to torture us with another song from him. The man is too much of a hunk to demean himself this way.) Juan chimes in drunkenly every few words and remembers his encounters with Sofia from first to last, especially their making love in the abandoned barn. He takes another drink to forget and to dull his pain.
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Next episodio: Grab your glasses and hold onto your ..... sombreros, boys! It looks like we’re gonna be treated to a good ol’ fashioned bar-brawl free-for-all!
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Shame that Juan was late in showing at the convent: Sofia being all packed and ready to go. They'd have been muy lejos from their problems by now. That wouldn't leave much of a story, tho. That was quite a BOA that Oscar rescued Gramps from. Not too much a threat to any creature larger than its disjointed jaws could surround. Why didn't the lily-of-the-shrine glow last night when Juan was there- was it because Libia was sad that the love between our stars was being abandoned, or was it that she was trying to tell Bonehead brother that he was wrong to give up on it? Oh, that's right, they've never seemed to be amazed by its glowing, all of thet pertinant info from beyond has been lost on them. I sure wish that I had such a guiding light, it would sure make things easier...anyway, looking forward to the big fight, will Juan's bullet wound impair his asskickin abilities?
Calamity Cakes, what a very funny recap!
Thank goodness for Oscar saving Gramps. Perhaps he found him so quickly as he recognized this area as being near Libia's tomb and as being a good, sheltered hiding place. See, I am making up my own reasons for plot advance since the novela doesn't provide it.
Was that viper an anaconda?
I guess there has to be a few obstacles before Juan and Sofia can be together forever as we have many episodes to go. I wish hot headed Juan could wait a little longer for the response for Padre's second letter before denouncing his true love. But maybe Juan doesn't trust the mail delivery system any more than we do.
I am enjoying this novela which seems to span a hundred years in time at the same time. That's what makes it so unmodern and thus, sweet and funny.
I am missing Pablito (what a great little actor) and hope he will be in more episodes to come. It seems, he is the key to finding Luis' hiding place.
Will someone please post this episode with the others? Thank you very much.
G in CA
Thank goodness for Oscar saving Gramps. Perhaps he found him so quickly as he recognized this area as being near Libia's tomb and as being a good, sheltered hiding place. See, I am making up my own reasons for plot advance since the novela doesn't provide it.
Was that viper an anaconda?
I guess there has to be a few obstacles before Juan and Sofia can be together forever as we have many episodes to go. I wish hot headed Juan could wait a little longer for the response for Padre's second letter before denouncing his true love. But maybe Juan doesn't trust the mail delivery system any more than we do.
I am enjoying this novela which seems to span a hundred years in time at the same time. That's what makes it so unmodern and thus, sweet and funny.
I am missing Pablito (what a great little actor) and hope he will be in more episodes to come. It seems, he is the key to finding Luis' hiding place.
Will someone please post this episode with the others? Thank you very much.
G in CA
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: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 1:28:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 1:28:00 PM EDT
Wondering what a rose petal taste like? Lucky Jimena, she will always be receiving roses. Husbands, pay attention to Oscar.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 1:38:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 1:38:00 PM EDT
Thanks for the recap Jardinera. Great play on words re: the well-bunned baker boy! I wonder if the size of the sombrero correlates to the size of their.... um .... ego. Such is life in The Land That Time Forgot. I am ... impactada.
Re: the stubble --- there are special shavers with attachments, like dog groomers have, that keep it trimmed at that 24/7 Don Johnson/Miami Vice look.
doris
Re: the stubble --- there are special shavers with attachments, like dog groomers have, that keep it trimmed at that 24/7 Don Johnson/Miami Vice look.
doris
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 1:47:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 1:47:00 PM EDT
Thank you for a good recap. Franco literally sucking the face off Sarita YUCKK! is right. I always wonder why these girls don't have scraped up faces from beard chafe.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 2:09:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 2:09:00 PM EDT
Dorado Dave - here's a youtube link to a FELS parody about the glowing flower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_mMDH_VZXo
maybe you've seen this already?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_mMDH_VZXo
maybe you've seen this already?
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 2:11:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 2:11:00 PM EDT
Good recap and very thorough.
Everytime I see EY riding his horse off and baying at the moon while rearing his horse -- I wonder how this plot would be if they did it with motorcycles instead of horses. He could roar off in a cloud of smoke and dust on a big hefty chopper, and do wheelies out in the countryside while baying at the moon. It would be very Wild Ones-ish.
The big sombreros wouldn't be able to stay on though I guess.
Did you notice that the 2 regulars with sombreros in the bar are the 2 guys who live nearby, and work in the market -- one is named Rigo, I forget the other one -- I think they are Quintina's nephews, sons of that other lady who works at the market and has one tooth missing from her smile. Is her name Hortensia? I think she's supposed to be Quintina's sister. She was the one who took Libia to Bernardo's funeral.
Everytime I see EY riding his horse off and baying at the moon while rearing his horse -- I wonder how this plot would be if they did it with motorcycles instead of horses. He could roar off in a cloud of smoke and dust on a big hefty chopper, and do wheelies out in the countryside while baying at the moon. It would be very Wild Ones-ish.
The big sombreros wouldn't be able to stay on though I guess.
Did you notice that the 2 regulars with sombreros in the bar are the 2 guys who live nearby, and work in the market -- one is named Rigo, I forget the other one -- I think they are Quintina's nephews, sons of that other lady who works at the market and has one tooth missing from her smile. Is her name Hortensia? I think she's supposed to be Quintina's sister. She was the one who took Libia to Bernardo's funeral.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 2:16:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 2:16:00 PM EDT
Thanks, dodrado dave for the heads up on the snake. I had no idea so now I figured it was just better to change it to the safely generic "snake".
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G in CA, next to Gramps, Pablito steals the show this time around. Also, I got a really good chuckle from the way Armando picked little Luis up "basket handle" style by the back of his little trousers.
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doris: I can now go to my grave at peace, knowing the mystical secret of the 24/7 shave, or lack there of. As for sizing up... sombreros, yeah I thought that like the Texas ten-gallon hat up here (EVERYthing is bigger in Texas), that it might be some unspoken Mexican machismo "mine is as big as yours" cultural phenomenon in the state of Puebla.
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G in CA, next to Gramps, Pablito steals the show this time around. Also, I got a really good chuckle from the way Armando picked little Luis up "basket handle" style by the back of his little trousers.
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doris: I can now go to my grave at peace, knowing the mystical secret of the 24/7 shave, or lack there of. As for sizing up... sombreros, yeah I thought that like the Texas ten-gallon hat up here (EVERYthing is bigger in Texas), that it might be some unspoken Mexican machismo "mine is as big as yours" cultural phenomenon in the state of Puebla.
Thanks, anon. 2:16 pm. Loved the Wild Ones in Sombreros visual! OMG! I think you might be right about it being Hortensia's two sons, Local and Yocal. ;?)
The producers must know that EY sings badly -- thus a drunken hum along with one or two relevant words from song belted out loudly --(it was an appropriate "love lost" song)
Poor Juan must be really having a bad time to tie one on with so much tequila -- remember the last bar scene where he had a glass of milk and Oscar says that Juan has an ulcer? Yikes, the next day is going to be fierce.
Poor Juan must be really having a bad time to tie one on with so much tequila -- remember the last bar scene where he had a glass of milk and Oscar says that Juan has an ulcer? Yikes, the next day is going to be fierce.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 2:33:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 2:33:00 PM EDT
Juan on horseback howling at the sky was definitely a Destilando behavior flashback. Thanks for the recap, Jardinera.
La Paloma
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 3:03:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 3:03:00 PM EDT
Thanks, anon. 2:23pm. "The producers must know that EY sings badly -- thus a drunken hum along with one or two relevant words from song belted out loudly" --I agree and I, for one, was very glad the producers responded accordingly so that "'Juan chimes in drunkenly every few words'" as opposed to taking over the whole scene with his drunken, offkey accompanyment.
"--(it was an appropriate "love lost" song) Sorry that I was not more accurate. It was understood to be about love lost, and a literal or figurative betrayal because of fate or whatever/whomever, the resultant disillusionment and mysery of an injured party, and which turns bitter--as many of those cantina ditties seem to be, and which to me in a rush, translated into a "bad love situation."
?8 > )
Interesting point about his ulcer. I'd forgotten! Don't have a clue what kind of nasty physical response his ulcer might have, but it isn't gonna be pretty.....
"--(it was an appropriate "love lost" song) Sorry that I was not more accurate. It was understood to be about love lost, and a literal or figurative betrayal because of fate or whatever/whomever, the resultant disillusionment and mysery of an injured party, and which turns bitter--as many of those cantina ditties seem to be, and which to me in a rush, translated into a "bad love situation."
?8 > )
Interesting point about his ulcer. I'd forgotten! Don't have a clue what kind of nasty physical response his ulcer might have, but it isn't gonna be pretty.....
Anon & Calamity, on a past show, we heard that Juan has an ulcer. So will this binge cause him agony tomorrow? Silly girls! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: Never assume any rhyme, reason, or continuity where Fuego is concerned!
By the way, we've speculated where various things happen. I've figured it out. The story doesn't take place in Puebla! The location is Through the Looking Glass! All the perplexing questions make sense when you recognize that one crucial fact!
By the way, we've speculated where various things happen. I've figured it out. The story doesn't take place in Puebla! The location is Through the Looking Glass! All the perplexing questions make sense when you recognize that one crucial fact!
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 4:31:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 4:31:00 PM EDT
where are my manners? Thank you Jardinera for the fine recap. Thanks also to anon 2:12 for the link to the utube clip- really funny. At least in that cartoon, Juan notices the glow... EY should definitely not drink tequila staight, he couldn't hold it very well in DA, and he's doing even worse here. I don't remember him getting into any brawls in Tequila after blasting a few down, he'd just howl at the moon. Here, he howls, then drinks, then fights...oh well...
Paula H: Ha! You're on to something! This whole show might have been better and made more sense if Juan and Sofia had just followed that bunny down through the rabbit hole.....
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Dorado dave: you are definitely welcome//you and the hubster are still tracking when it comes to EY howling at the moon and musings about glowing lilies-of-the- shrine.
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Dorado dave: you are definitely welcome//you and the hubster are still tracking when it comes to EY howling at the moon and musings about glowing lilies-of-the- shrine.
I'm a couple of episodes behind - as usual - ha ha. Can someone tell me why Feo wwould just now be discovering they need abuelo's signature. Havent he and Gabi been running the place for a few months now? Question #2 why are they writing letters with a pen and quill? Like someone else said, it seems like they're going back and forth between past and future.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 5:55:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 5:55:00 PM EDT
Thanks, Cakes. We all knew that it wouldn't be so easy for Juan and Sofia to just run away. So where are we headed now??? By the way, who is Luis's father? Is it Ferd ?? How many more months will we be spinning around and around in this story ???
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 9:44:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 9:44:00 PM EDT
Thanks, Jardinera - this one was better than the episode, perhaps because I was too busy fuming last night over Gabriela's sickie act.
It amazes me that, despite usually being sort of clueless, Juan is the ONLY one who suspects Gabi of faking.
I also wondered what the big threat was from the snake. I had assumed that it was some kind of Grandpa-crushin' snake, though it's highly doubtful that a snake would go through the trouble of climbing up a non-threatening person to crush his chest.
But later, Oscar called it a "vibora" which I thought was a rattlesnake. That would have made more sense as a real threat, though again, as long as Grandpa didn't move, I don't think the snake would have been interested.
So... whatever. It wasn't a very scary moment for me, and when Oscar picked it up, it would have been okay with me if he'd danced with it and sung an Alice Cooper song.
Or, instead of picking up the snake, maybe just pulling G's wheelchair out of the mud and rolling away. That'd've worked for me too.
It amazes me that, despite usually being sort of clueless, Juan is the ONLY one who suspects Gabi of faking.
I also wondered what the big threat was from the snake. I had assumed that it was some kind of Grandpa-crushin' snake, though it's highly doubtful that a snake would go through the trouble of climbing up a non-threatening person to crush his chest.
But later, Oscar called it a "vibora" which I thought was a rattlesnake. That would have made more sense as a real threat, though again, as long as Grandpa didn't move, I don't think the snake would have been interested.
So... whatever. It wasn't a very scary moment for me, and when Oscar picked it up, it would have been okay with me if he'd danced with it and sung an Alice Cooper song.
Or, instead of picking up the snake, maybe just pulling G's wheelchair out of the mud and rolling away. That'd've worked for me too.
Does anyone know if Quintina is the same actress who played Tomas's mom in La Fea?
Also, that snake looked as docile as the rabbit.
Also, that snake looked as docile as the rabbit.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 11:01:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 11:01:00 PM EDT
Re comment: "mine is as big as yours" cultural phenomenon in the state of Puebla.
This cultural phenomenon has a fairly wide brush stroke. Goes way beyond the gates of Puebla!
This cultural phenomenon has a fairly wide brush stroke. Goes way beyond the gates of Puebla!
I don't think they're in Puebla, because in an early episode, they made a trip to Puebla (to sign some paperwork after Bernardo's death).
I think Beckster said it might be Jalisco, based on the style of the hats (I guess each region has its own specific style).
Someone did confirm a while back that Quintina is Tomas's mom. I don't remember the actress's name, though.
I think Beckster said it might be Jalisco, based on the style of the hats (I guess each region has its own specific style).
Someone did confirm a while back that Quintina is Tomas's mom. I don't remember the actress's name, though.
Isn't Jalisco the state where tequila is grown? Maybe Juan and Sofia will cross paths with Rodrigo and Gaviota some day.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 11:59:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 11:59:00 PM EDT
Juan meeting Rodrigo? LOL, I love it! And Gaviota could give Sofia some assertiveness training lessons!
Hiya -- they are supposed to be in Puebla (state) -- they are in Ciudad Serdan (it says so on the curly writing at the start of the chapters when they are at hacienda or bakery) -- the big snow capped volcano in the starter & that we see every so often when they are flying to the bakery over the town with iglesia -- is Pico de Orizaba.
Then sometimes they fly to Puebla, Puebla (capital) -- like when they need a crooked lawyer, or a not crooked lawyer. (but have they also shown Popocatepetl?) They show the zocalo close to the historic centro where the tiled buildings are. (Puebla capital has more than 1 zocalo)
However, the Mexican tv gossip shows say that the hacienda itself is a real hacienda and is located in Jalisco. One of the actors slipped up and said they are filming the whole show in Jalisco (I think it might have been Nora Salinas who said that.)
They had the kickoff for this show at Vicente Fernandez's hacienda -- and I have been wondering if this show is also being filmed there -- do any of you know?
Then sometimes they fly to Puebla, Puebla (capital) -- like when they need a crooked lawyer, or a not crooked lawyer. (but have they also shown Popocatepetl?) They show the zocalo close to the historic centro where the tiled buildings are. (Puebla capital has more than 1 zocalo)
However, the Mexican tv gossip shows say that the hacienda itself is a real hacienda and is located in Jalisco. One of the actors slipped up and said they are filming the whole show in Jalisco (I think it might have been Nora Salinas who said that.)
They had the kickoff for this show at Vicente Fernandez's hacienda -- and I have been wondering if this show is also being filmed there -- do any of you know?
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 1:58:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 1:58:00 AM EDT
Shucks, there goes the chance encounter in Jalisco. Here it is anyway with thought bubbles:
JUAN...hombre, lose some weight in that caboose...she's hawt
RODRIGO...man, get a shave...she's hawt
SOFIA...he's hawter than Juan...she needs some sensible clothes and shoes
GAVIOTA...he's hawter than Rodrigo...she needs to ditch the granny outfit and buy herself a miniskirt and some Manolos.
JUAN...hombre, lose some weight in that caboose...she's hawt
RODRIGO...man, get a shave...she's hawt
SOFIA...he's hawter than Juan...she needs some sensible clothes and shoes
GAVIOTA...he's hawter than Rodrigo...she needs to ditch the granny outfit and buy herself a miniskirt and some Manolos.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 2:29:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 2:29:00 AM EDT
The snake-actor that was supposed to swallow abuelo whole was not a vibora (viper) in real life -- it was too big & long -- a viper has a particular kind of hinged jaw with fold down fangs that inject venom to stun or poison prey. Generally have a short stocky build to them.
That one was a squeezing kind of long snake, but he was doing a good acting job - don't you think?
That one was a squeezing kind of long snake, but he was doing a good acting job - don't you think?
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 2:30:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 2:30:00 AM EDT
oh yeah, forgot to say -- a rattlesnake is also a kind of vibora (viper) -- a vibora amongst viboras shall we say, as there are many kinds of viboras...though they share characteristics that classify them as viboras
There is definitely a snake theme going in this program -- note that Feo has a snake tattoo, there are flashbacks to a silver snake belt buckle -- and now a "Grandpa-crushin' snake" -- Now the burning question is Are they all Viboras too?
There is definitely a snake theme going in this program -- note that Feo has a snake tattoo, there are flashbacks to a silver snake belt buckle -- and now a "Grandpa-crushin' snake" -- Now the burning question is Are they all Viboras too?
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 2:40:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 2:40:00 AM EDT
Great recap. Actually, all I could think of when I saw Franco "kissing" Sarita was that it looked like he was biting her. Yuck!
Julie: "Gabriela's sickie act"-- yep, that's why Diana Bracho gets the big bucks, cuz we were all fuming right along with you, a zapato in one hand and a fist of concha in the other!!
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Anon. Sat. 5:55 pm: It's definitely a big "duh!" I couldn't keep up with all the probable comments this past week as to why only just now Gabi and Feo realized they needed Augie's signature for something. But, it does emphasize they're not the flawless scheming masterminds they think they are. Perhaps it's just a convenient plot mechanism thrown in to the plot to steer it in a different direction since these things are many times still being written and rewritten as they are being shot. So mindboggling incongruities like that one abound. The quill and pen IMO is a means of symbolizing Sarita's poetic nature, if not her character's total affectation in choosing to use them. Anybody remember (circa 1960's) the fountain pen or the nasty, messy cartridges they used? I can't remember the last time I saw one for sale, or even thought to buy one.
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Anon. Sat. 5:55 pm: It's definitely a big "duh!" I couldn't keep up with all the probable comments this past week as to why only just now Gabi and Feo realized they needed Augie's signature for something. But, it does emphasize they're not the flawless scheming masterminds they think they are. Perhaps it's just a convenient plot mechanism thrown in to the plot to steer it in a different direction since these things are many times still being written and rewritten as they are being shot. So mindboggling incongruities like that one abound. The quill and pen IMO is a means of symbolizing Sarita's poetic nature, if not her character's total affectation in choosing to use them. Anybody remember (circa 1960's) the fountain pen or the nasty, messy cartridges they used? I can't remember the last time I saw one for sale, or even thought to buy one.
Patricia Reyes Spindola is playing the part of Quintina. She was also in La Madrastra (a great circo!) where she played a servant, I think.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 8:59:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 8:59:00 AM EDT
Thanks for the Puebla/Jalisco explanation, 1:58. How embarrassing - I just cannot read that curly writing!!
So, they had a squeezer portraying a viper. Interesting choice. I will give him an A for effort, but it's too bad they couldn't get de-venomed animal instead. Or maybe a rubber rattlesnake on a string.
Believe it or not, fountain pens with cartridges are alive and well. Er... they available, anyway. You can get them at levenger.com and similar places.
Being a pen maniac, I bought one a few years ago for the sake of novelty/nostalgia/curiosity. I then quickly discovered the reason for their unpopularity, as well as a few different techniques for removing ink spots from fabric.
I like the watery look of the ink, but I can definitely do without the mess. I'm sure there's some skill involved that would give lovely results, but since I've never been able to improve my ballpoint penmanship, I don't see much point in mastering the fountain pen.
(I've also tried with feathers and other dip pens, which were every bit as annoying as you would expect.)
So... three cheers for Sarita, doing everything the hard way!
So, they had a squeezer portraying a viper. Interesting choice. I will give him an A for effort, but it's too bad they couldn't get de-venomed animal instead. Or maybe a rubber rattlesnake on a string.
Believe it or not, fountain pens with cartridges are alive and well. Er... they available, anyway. You can get them at levenger.com and similar places.
Being a pen maniac, I bought one a few years ago for the sake of novelty/nostalgia/curiosity. I then quickly discovered the reason for their unpopularity, as well as a few different techniques for removing ink spots from fabric.
I like the watery look of the ink, but I can definitely do without the mess. I'm sure there's some skill involved that would give lovely results, but since I've never been able to improve my ballpoint penmanship, I don't see much point in mastering the fountain pen.
(I've also tried with feathers and other dip pens, which were every bit as annoying as you would expect.)
So... three cheers for Sarita, doing everything the hard way!
AS for our snake-actor, I had figured if it wasn't rubber then they had chilled him down to make him sleepy or some such because I couldn't believe they'd risk any part of Jorge being squeezed while bending over the thing. I kept looking for a cut-away when he picked it up and right before Oscar does that the screen changed to somebody's forearms. I figured it was a trained handler with the same wristband as a stand-in.
Ok, I'm kind of answering my own question, sort of -- the Rancho 3 Potrillos in Guadalajara, Jalisco, owned by Vicente Fernandez -- does not look like the Hacienda San Agustin of FELS. The celebratory opening of FELS was at Vicente Fernandez's rancho -- looks like it was a fun event!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaKy8rQ8Xq0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaKy8rQ8Xq0
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 1:58:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 1:58:00 PM EDT
Julie...you brought back some painful memories with your pen story. My husband, a professor, used them for years and we not only have lots of pants pockets, blankets etc. dotted with ink stains, there was also a beautiful silk sports jacket I bought him...and the dry cleaner didn't want to mess with the stain because the fabric was delicate. He continued using the pens though and I finally just "detached" about the mess. If you can't beat 'em, give up!
Maybe I should learn your secrets for removing stains.
Maybe I should learn your secrets for removing stains.
OK, this is way OT, but just in case someone feels like experimenting with the inkwell:
To get rid of a water-based ink stain (like what's in fountain and rollerball pens): Your best bet is to run cold water through the stain immediately and get as much ink out as you can. If you can't do that, at least try to keep it wet until you can tend to the stain at home.
Also, it helps to blot the waterlogged stain with something really absorbent, like a paper towel, which helps to grab some of the ink out of the fabric.
To get the rest of it out, I coated it with baking soda and let it sit. (I use baking soda for practically everything.) Then, because I enjoy overkill, I poured some peroxide through it and watched it fizz. I suspect the baking soda alone would have done the trick, absorbing the rest of the stain, but I like fizz, sooo...
That pretty much did it, and then I put on some Spray'n'Wash for good measure and washed as usual.
This was a white cotton shirt. I don't know if baking soda and peroxide are nice to color/prints or not.
Ballpoint (oil-based) ink: I was told (as a clumsy kid) that hairspray was best for this. Later I found out that rubbing alcohol is the magic spot-removing ingredient, and it's cheaper. It takes a lot of patience and blotting, though - and preferably rubbing, if the fabric can take it.
Definitely don't use hot water, and don't put it in the dryer until you're sure the stain is gone. (True for ALL stains, not just inks.) Once it's been in the dryer, it's probably baked in forever.
There's some spot remover by Carbona in the laundry aisle that's supposed to work too. I don't know how good it is. I also hear good things about milk (I assume skim is best), nail polish remover, and club soda, but I've never tried any of those with ink.
To get rid of a water-based ink stain (like what's in fountain and rollerball pens): Your best bet is to run cold water through the stain immediately and get as much ink out as you can. If you can't do that, at least try to keep it wet until you can tend to the stain at home.
Also, it helps to blot the waterlogged stain with something really absorbent, like a paper towel, which helps to grab some of the ink out of the fabric.
To get the rest of it out, I coated it with baking soda and let it sit. (I use baking soda for practically everything.) Then, because I enjoy overkill, I poured some peroxide through it and watched it fizz. I suspect the baking soda alone would have done the trick, absorbing the rest of the stain, but I like fizz, sooo...
That pretty much did it, and then I put on some Spray'n'Wash for good measure and washed as usual.
This was a white cotton shirt. I don't know if baking soda and peroxide are nice to color/prints or not.
Ballpoint (oil-based) ink: I was told (as a clumsy kid) that hairspray was best for this. Later I found out that rubbing alcohol is the magic spot-removing ingredient, and it's cheaper. It takes a lot of patience and blotting, though - and preferably rubbing, if the fabric can take it.
Definitely don't use hot water, and don't put it in the dryer until you're sure the stain is gone. (True for ALL stains, not just inks.) Once it's been in the dryer, it's probably baked in forever.
There's some spot remover by Carbona in the laundry aisle that's supposed to work too. I don't know how good it is. I also hear good things about milk (I assume skim is best), nail polish remover, and club soda, but I've never tried any of those with ink.
julie and others - you can get ink (pen) off leather car upholstery with rubbing alcohol. Test first in an inconspicuous area, just in case the dye on the leather isn't stable.
doris
doris
Permalink posted by : Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 9:01:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 9:01:00 PM EDT
Thanks Julie.
I'm a big believer in baking soda. Brush my teeth with it and that way I can still drink my morning orange juice and not have that awful arrrggghhh feeling when it hits the Crest residue.
I used the Carbona product on a red wine stain that had been on my son's shirt for 6 months!!! (he was away at school) and eventually I did get it out. But once again, it was white cotton so one could go at it heavy duty.
I'm a big believer in baking soda. Brush my teeth with it and that way I can still drink my morning orange juice and not have that awful arrrggghhh feeling when it hits the Crest residue.
I used the Carbona product on a red wine stain that had been on my son's shirt for 6 months!!! (he was away at school) and eventually I did get it out. But once again, it was white cotton so one could go at it heavy duty.
Jardinera, you suggested the snake might have been chilled to make it less active. Not a problem on the set, since Rosario/Ninel probably had some extra ice sitting around in case she needed to ice down her prominent parts.
La Paloma
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Monday, June 9, 2008 at 6:32:00 PM EDT
: Monday, June 9, 2008 at 6:32:00 PM EDT
I hurt my foot yesterday and have been applying ice to it every couple of hours. It is now a buxom guy-magnet.
Actually, it's just cold, wet, and really red. And I hate that I now think of Ninel every time I look at my foot.
Actually, it's just cold, wet, and really red. And I hate that I now think of Ninel every time I look at my foot.
Julie, if Gaviota and Sofia met- Yes, assertiveness training for Sofia, and listening skills training for the seagull-girl...
The Hacienda San Agustin is a real hotel in Atlixco, Puebla. Take a look at their home page; it's the hotel in the show. You can click the link at my name.
Permalink posted by : Monday, June 9, 2008 at 9:51:00 PM EDT
: Monday, June 9, 2008 at 9:51:00 PM EDT
Thank you, Jeri - that's too funny - rather than put out a new sign, they named Grandpa after the hotel so that the fictional hacienda could be named after him!
Jeri, thanks for the Hacienda Augustin website. The map confirms my suspicions. The hacienda is located next to a highway and that is why in one outdoor scene in the novela, you hear loud traffic and see cars whizzing by. So much for the hacienda being out in the boonies with the girls so isolated from the world. They're actually next to the interstate.
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