Caray, Caray!

Yeah, I was worried we weren't going to see Juan today, too--or even his stand-in. Thank goodness he showed up! And we get another nice screen cap from you--Whew! Suitable for framing, even!

Interesting that Juan said he was thinking of forcing Norma and their son to come live with him.

Miguel or Manolo would be nice for Dominga. When you think about it, those two really aren't bad--they're kinda cute, actually, and they are good boys who take care of their mother. Eva gave Dominga some good advice, which hopefully she will be able to follow.
 

Jean: These comments will be regarding Friday's episode, so feel free to move them over when/if you post.):

Re: Friday - WOW. This episode was a humdinger. Gabriela has absolutely, irrevocably gone round the bend now. That was some fit she threw at breakfast after Norma reminded her that having been Fernando's wife before her, she knew what kind of person he was. If I were Norma, that fit would've been the last straw for me. I'd have grabbed Juan David, my toothbrush and headed straight for Juan's place without looking back.

But, thanks to Fernando's scheme, we see she's not the one to leave first. I cheered when Oscar finally gave Jimena an ultimatum. With the two of them legally married, it made no sense to me that she ever stayed with Gabriela, and I always suspected Oscar was the brother that would lose patience first. On the other hand, with the fact that Juan David merely exists, it seems way too dangerous to me that Norma & he stay on at the hacienda so hopefully she'll be the next to leave. Who knows, now that one brother has broken through, maybe the others will be more emboldened to insist that their women leave. Still, if everyone ends up at the Reyes' too soon we'll lose the conflict, so I don't see everyone coming over too quickly. In fact, as with Jimena, it's possible that the threat of violence may be the only thing that gets the other girls to separate themselves from mom. Yeesh...

When Oscar showed up at the Elizondo's to get Jimena, I was a little taken aback, however, with Norma's arguing for his right to confront Fernando for the offense to Jimena. It seemed so counter to the girls' usual role of trying to difuse violence, and that encounter would be a slugfest for sure. It struck me more as something Juan would do than Norma. (I guess maybe the two of them are better matched than it appears on the surface!) Thank God Fern's incredibly slow reactions, even with a gun in hand, made him no match for Oscar.

Although she didn't really have any alternative, Jimena did play right into Fern's hands. He wanted her out, and he took a big risk in pulling the attempted rape stunt to get her to leave. Fortunately for him, Gabriela is emotionally weak enough to take his side over her own daughter's, so it's paying off big for him. (This was really my "last straw" with Gabriela. As far as I'm concerned, she absolutely deserves every rotten thing she gets from now on).

I couldn't believe the chat Fernando had later with Armando, when Armando basically patted him on the back for his new appropriately "macho" approach to handling the girls. What a couple of misogynistic degenerates...

And as always, I wonder where Don Martin will land in all of this. Perhaps the boys should REALLY concentrate on him next. After all, most of the Elizondo staff is now at the Reyes place, so he'd be well cared for there by familiar & loved staff. And with him safe, that would surely loosen up the girls a little bit. I wonder if there's something on the horizon with him & Pepita?
 

Thanks for the comments Marie Celeste ;) This was quite a slug fest indeed. I think Norma backed Oscar's "lesson" because Fernie desperately needed one and Oscar was the only in the position to give it. I don't know where the Reyes boys learned how to fight, but I think every single one of them has kicked a gun out of someone's hand at this point.

I don't know if anything will "happen" with Martin and Pepita; and with her hectic work schedule, she's in no position to care for him. I do think if he left, the girls would follow, but he seems to want to be there for his wretched daughter. Still, now that he's seen Gabi take Fernie's word over Jimena's, he may well decide the fatherly thing is to let her fall and just tell her he'll be there to help her up when she's ready. And at this point, he and baby JD might as well have targets painted on their foreheads.

Juan will probably want to drag Norma out of the Elizondo compound. But for all his gruffness, he's very much of the mind that he can't force her to do anything against her will. Doesn't mean he can't nag and start breaking stuff though. Maybe he'll camp outside the house and keep vigil or something.

Yes, Armando and Fernando are a pair of degenerates. It was only one or two episodes ago that Armando told Fernando it would be a good thing if Dinora killed Norma and saw it as a just punishment for what she did to Fernie. He himself tried to have Rosario killed for the same reason. They deserve some pretty big comeuppances. Gaby as well, though I think losing her daughters and realizing what a slimeball she's married may well be the perfect punishment.
 

It drives me crazy that there is so much fighting on this show. I know Fernando deserves punishment, but for Oscar to just go over there and beat him up is crazy. And then when Franco was trying to talk Oscar and Jimena into staying (on Friday's episode), he walks over and PUNCHES him in the stomach! I couldn't believe it! My husband and his brother NEVER do things like that, and neither do any of our sons. I don't know ANYBODY in real life who punches or kicks or beats anybody up or who has EVER done that! I just can't imagine marrying a man who could be so violent or who would do such a thing like what Franco did to his brother, going over and punching him in the stomach. And it's like every guy on this show does things like this. If this is supposed to be representative of realistic behavior of their culture, then that is pretty scary!

I also hope nothing happens between Pepita and Martin. The less I see of her the better. Unless she reforms! And him, too! It is terrible that he thinks it's fun to go to that girlie bar and get drunk and slaps women's butts. I wouldn't be so upset about it if people chastised him for this behavior, but his granddaughters think he is "cute" and everybody just loves him. And the worst part is that he said he would do it again! He didn't even learn his lesson or come to realize that this is wrong.
 

Jimena moved me to tears the day that her mom took Ferns word over hers. She went running to her abuela and jumped in his lap weeping bitterly. That was a truly heartbreaking scene.

It was also very sad when Dominga was kicked out of the house the way that she was.

Yes! Three cheers for Oscar (I think thats his name) when he demanded that his wife go with him. I believe that the entire situation was stressing him out not knowing if his wife was safe, and he probly beat Fern out of sheer frustration.

Even though Juan is my fave because of LT. I still think that Oscar plays his role very convincingly.