Tuesday, September 30, 2008
Fuego, Monday 9/29 (#107): Must we make small talk every time we pass?
Franco meets with Gabi in her study, angry that she has shut down the spring on their property. She shows him the document his father signed to give Gabi control of the spring even though it's on their property. She tells him he can take that copy and show it to a lawyer, or whoever, and they'll tell him it's legal.
After Franco leaves in disgust, Gabi thought-bubbles to herself that she tricked Juan Jose into signing the document shortly before he was murdered.
Nati updates Eladio on the horrors of the hacienda; namely, that Gabi is planning to send Jimena away.
Night falls. There's a giant moon in a purple sky. Sofi visits Jimena and talks her ear off about visiting Libia's tomb to ask her to tell Juan how much Sofi is suffering wanting to get her child back. She needs her to get better. Feo comes in and tells Sofi it's high time she signed for that divorce she's been wanting. She gladly signs the papers and gives him the sweetest smile she's ever given him. But he pulls her close and says that just because they're no longer married doesn't mean she's free of him. He can tell Gabi about that offer Sofi made ("I'll do ANYTHING if you help me find my baby") Sofi breaks free of his grasp and tells him to do or say whatever he wants; she doesn't care.
Alone again, Sofi tells Jimena what a jerk Feo is, and that she used to have Juan to protect her, but not any more. (Jimena is a great listener.) The only thing that cheers Sofi up is knowing that she'll be a free woman, free of Feo and everyone else.
Oscar searches high and low (literally) for Juan, with only a torch and the full moon to light the way.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Franco continues to study that legal document. Capricho comes back from his own daily Juan-search, looking dejected, but suspiciously well-groomed. Franco calls to him, but Capricho ambles past morosely. Franco knows this means the horse didn't find his human.
Next morning: Quinti, wearing sort of a bag lady outfit, sings the bonbon song. Pablito is annoyed. Q says she's not singing because she's happy, but to keep from going crazy. She explains that she and Grandpa have a truce, and explains to him what a truce is - and that it also means things could flare up again. She just wants to be forgiven. Pablito thinks Grandpa will forgive her eventually, since he's always been fair. She still thinks Grandpa is the greatest general in the world.
Franco shows the paper to Grandpa, who says it looks legal to him. JJ agreed to let Gabriela use the spring however she wants. Franco says she also blocked the path so they don't have access to their own property. It doesn't explicitly say that she can use her rights to the spring against them, but clearly that's what she's doing and Grandpa thinks it's dishonest. He suggest that they hire a lawyer. Franco is hesitant.
Grandpa says jeez, they're a bunch of tough guys when it comes to revenge, but they're lousy at defending themselves. (May I say THANK YOU GRANDPA!!!) He impatiently says he ask his lawyer and now please go away, but Franco wants to tell him something.
Gabi is annoyed that Sofi hasn't come down for breakfast. "This isn't a hotel," she grumps. The maid says that poor Sofi hasn't been eating and has already left. Sarita says she went to church to pray to Virgencita for a miracle. Feo laughs and says he only believes in the power of money. Only money can perform miracles. Sarita says she's bummed to hear that, because his heart can never hope to find love.
Gabi tries to quash the conversation, but Feo says it's fine, let her talk, what she says doesn't hurt him. Sarita says that's because he doesn't have feelings. He says no, it's because he knows she's upset about Sofía and Jimena, but he's never done anything to her, there's no reason for her to oppose him. Sofía has poisoned her against him, but he's not done anything wrong.
(Sofía is praying in church with Eva and the padre.)
Gabi doesn't want to hear about miracles; she wants to talk about practical things; namely, her control of the ojo de agua. She won't let those Reyes get a single drop, and soon they will be ruined. (Nati and her mother are horrified.) The Reyes declared war on her, and now they're going to have to live with it.
Sarita says she's not on their side, but she also doesn't like injustice. That land has always been theirs. Gabi doesn't want to hear about it and grabs for some bread (probably Reyes bread). Feo pushes Sarita's divorce papers at her and tells her to sign. Again we see Gabi's hand in the bread basket; I'm wondering why she's so hot for bread this morning? Feo tells Sarita that if she signs, she won't have any more problems with the Reyes. He'll get Franco to sign it too.
Gabi says she'll make Jimena sign hers. Shocked, Sarita says she's in no condition to sign things, much less make decisions. Gabi that's why she's making the decision, and then Feo can get Oscar to sign too. (Nati and her mother are still standing there and hearing every word; I suppose they're invisible when Gabi isn't yelling at them.) When Sarita tries to protest, Gabi cuts her off and says her health is on the line.
Franco tells Grandpa he's the youngest, and he owes his brothers for caring for him, and now he'll take care of the hacienda for them. And he's sad that they're gone. And about Sofi thinking Juan stole that baby. He could never do such a thing. Grandpa says he's never blamed Juan for that; the only reason he's mad at them is for deceiving him and his granddaughters. He knows Juan wouldn't do something so cowardly.
Franco mentions that Eva begged them not to hurt anyone. Grandpa is surprised by this - wasn't she in on the revenge plan? Franco explains that when they showed up, she just assumed that they were the bricklayers. That's how they infiltrated the hacienda. Eva has always protected the girls.
Eva tells Sofi not to lose hope and says she'll come back for her later. She leaves, and the padre urges Sofía to unbosom herself to him. He'll listen.
Eva meets Hortensia and Q at the clinic. They're upset because Dr. Montes said they need to operate; they can't put it off any longer. Rigo will be transferred to Puebla this afternoon.
Sarita sits with Feo and looks at the papers, unsure. She thinks this should be between her and Franco. Feo plays the Sick Mommy card and shoves the pen at her. "We all want her to get better, don't we?" Sarita signs. What a dingaling.
Franco tries to comfort Hortensia at the dispensario and asks permission to speak with Rigo before he leaves. Eladio cries and thanks Franco for his support. Franco tells Rigo he must be as scared as Franco was that time he almost died in the fire. He looked death in the face, but he never lost faith and he fought because of all the people who love him. Rigo has to feel close to God and be strong and fight for his life, because they all love him and they'll be praying for him. Rigo weakly thanks him.
Jimena is still in "good listener" mode. I guess Gabi still thinks she's faking, because she puts the pen in J's hand and is bien enojada when it falls on the floor. She puts the pen back in Jimena's hand and says "I'll have to help you."
Nati, who had been approaching with some laundry, freezes at the open door. Fortunately, since servants are invisible, Gabi doesn't notice. Nati stares as Gabi, holding both Jimena's hand and the pen, signs Jimena's divorce papers.
Nati meets Eladio at the clinic and tells him that Gabi and Feo, in their hate for the Reyes, made Sarita and Jimena sign for divorce.
Eugenia shows up, and Hortensia tells her that Rigo needs her. Eladio takes Franco aside, perhaps to tell him about the divorce. Eva says goodbye to Hortensia and Quintina but says they can count on her for whatever.
Sofi admits to Fr. Tadeo that she fears Juan and the child might be dead. Tadeo tells her not to think such things, but if Juan did take the baby it was to keep her safe from danger. "What danger, Padre? Danger of what?"
Feo and Gabi gloat that they're just two signatures away from having any ties between those guys and her daughters, and Juan's dead and burning in hell.
Silvestre hides behind a rock as Oscar and his horse walk by. He comes out from behind to see where they've gone; Oscar, who is half-crazed by now, has snuck up behind him and demands to know where Juan Reyes is. Sil explains that he and his peeps are a tribe with ancient traditions, but they're losing them thanks to some evil witch guy. Oscar is not ready to be involved in this subplot, however, so he only gets angrier when Sil says the only new person around there is some doctora.
Meanwhile, Dr. Leonora meets with the so-called witch doctor, Crocodile Shaman or whatever we're calling him, and his Keith Richards doll. She's discovered that he's been trying to set the people against her with superstition, but she's going to open their eyes. He tries to scare her, saying he's got fearsome dark powers, but it's not working. She says she believes that God will protect her; he flinches at the name. Oh give me a break. So does this mean that a splash of holy water will blind him? She's not impressed, in any case, and she's going to do her job here and nothing and nobody is going to stop her.
Sofi continues crying to the padre; her heart is dried up, she's the living dead, the only thing that keeps her going is the hope of finding her child, otherwise that's the end of her existence.
The padre tries to cheer her up, but she feels that the old Sofía is dead. She's a different Sofía with a dead heart who will never love again.
Eugenia tells Rigo they'll get married when he gets better. He asks about Benito. She says he was never anything but a false hope; Rigo is her true love.
Rigo is wheeled out of his room. The padre gives him a blessing.
Grandpa interrupts Feo and Gabi's gloatfest ("no one can criticize me because Bernardo's been dead for more than a year") to say how it was wrong of them to shut down the spring; he's going to sic his lawyer on them. He mentions again that Bernardo knew what a bad guy he is, that's why he left that letter saying Feo is a thief. Okay, so she tore it up, but he warns Gabi again that that viper will throw her out in the street as soon as they're married. The world is a lovely garden, but snakes are hidden within.
Gabi is amused. She admits that she tore up that letter from Bernardo, but that letter mentioned that there were other papers that would incriminate him. (Feo flashes back to finding these papers in a safe and hiding them.) He promises Gabi that he will clear his name and expose Grandpa as the liar that he is.
Hortensia and Eladio say goodbye to Rigo at the hospital and cry and pray as he is whisked away for his surgery.
The comisario shows up at the hacienda, "did you call for me?" Feo says he wants them to search every millimeter of the office and let Gabi know if they find anything suspicious. He excuses himself so as not to get in the way. The sheriff and his deputy then conduct the most neat and orderly search in the history of law enforcement.
Feo goes up to his old room, where he keeps all of his secrets. He takes out the papers and looks at them and thought-bubbles that this ought to shut that old man up. He and Gabi will never be able to suspect him of anything!
The comisario tells Gabi he didn't find anything to incriminate Feo.
At the hospital, Eladio and Hortensia are informed that DOCTOR ALMANZA has begun Rigo's surgery. The nurse can't say how long it will take, because it's very complicated; it could be hours. Eladio and Hortensia try to comfort one another. H is so glad that Nati came into E's life (thus preventing him from leaving them to seek his fortune), else she would be facing this all alone. He says he'll never leave her alone.
Behind them, Dr. Castañeda, Sr., casually asks the nurse about DOCTOR ALMANZA. (I don't know if Dr. A is important or not, but s/he's been mentioned twice within a few minutes, so I guess I need to learn how to spell it.) Nurse tells him Dr. A just started an operation on that woman's son, and it's pretty bad, they don't know if they can save him.
The padre offers a Mass for Juan, the baby, and Rigo. Only the nice people have attended this evening service, so there won't be any stupid outbursts from Crabi. He says Jesus taught them that pain is but a grain of wheat that is planted, grows, and eaten. Without pain, we couldn't tell who we are.
Sofía has fallen asleep next to her bell collection. She dreams about giving birth and finding out her daughter has allegedly been stolen by Juan, except Jimena's not so sure it was him, but Sofi is sure, and she needs him to return her baby because her baby needs her.
She wakes up and paces the floor, muttering "my baby, my baby."
The moon is full, and a coyote or wolf cries in the distance. Now she steps out on her balcony, dressed in black, crying. Everything goes purple - is she dreaming again?
Quintina is struggling alone at the roadside in the dark with a horse and cart. (I don't make this stuff up, I just tell you what I see.) The road is shrouded in dry-ice fog. Sofi is wandering around in a daze, with "where is my baby, where is my baby" echoing in her head (her lips aren't moving). Quintina doesn't recognize her, and thinks she's seeing La Llorona .
Mexico airdate: 17 de Junio
Word of the day: tregua = truce
Gabi calls the pest control company to remove an annoying daughter from her house.
Feo acts like a jerk.
I'm glad the girls' divorce papers got signed and the boys are well rid of those sock-puppets (although we know Jimena's will be overturned because Nati witnessed the forced signing). Sarita had the audacity to sit there crying as she put her X on the spot, as if Franco was her great love or something and she's being forceably kept from him. Puh-leeze. Capricho looks as magnificent in moonlight as in daylight. Ah, if I were a mare in Mexico... :) Quinti's full rendition of Bombon Assassin would be funny as hell--I wish she'd do it.
Since when does the Chief of the Poh-Pohs just come right on over and do a search to prove the requestee's innocence?? And what kind of pathetic search was that, anyway? What, they looked behind a few pictures on the bookshelves for all of ten seconds? Meh.
The House That Time Forgot has morphed into The House of the Living Dead. We already have one catatonic Elizondo (Jimena the Fainting Goat). We don't need a second one at the same time, Sofia, so cut the Llorona act, please. Stop it right now. We have to put up with enough from you as it is. Yesterday Eva told you she knew how you felt because Crab-zilla had taken HER baby, and you let that Red Flag go right on by. And stop bothering Libia! (She's sweet little rich-girl Rocio over on CUIDADO CON EL ANGEL now, and can't hear you.) I fast-forwarded every Sofia scene tonight except the last one. Urgh.
Keep searching for Juan, Oscar, mile by mile, though the odds are against you. Like I said before, at least you're trying to do something.
Rigo's subplot (and the stupid way the writers are handling it) is hard to watch. I first noticed the bump on my baby brother's head in late March of this year (they found three malignant brain tumors), and by the beginning of May he was dead. Not saying Rigo's should be an exact pattern or anything... just could we have some realism, please? And while you're at it, rethink everything else you're doing so badly. :(
*Just something to cheer up this post and share with y'all: Over the weekend, I checked out the Miss Mexico 2008 pageant in Nuevo Leon. Jacqueline Bracamonte (from Rubi and a few other novelas) was hosting; she looked very elegant, very beautiful. Two of the judges were Carla Estrada (Ejecutiva Productora en Televisa de exitos como PASION) and Salvador Mejia (Productor Ejecutivo of "TeleRisa" actualmente de la telenovela FUEGO EN LA SANGRE). Uh-huh.
A few silly novela tie-ins: There was an Elizondo named Mariana, from Monterrey, Nuevo Leon. There was a Robles (Ramos-Robles, though), from Tijuana Baja, California. They both won extra awards and made it into the semi-final ranks. The contestant from Puebla, Pue. was named Stefani (heh-heh!) It was a pretty well-done show, with the exception of a weird musical number with all the girls doing some kind of bruja/gypsy number in this HUGE Libia-like cavern underground. I kept looking for the glowing lily, but alas, no. The woman who won was from Jacqueline's hometown, Jalisco.
Hey, didn't Astro (Elroy's dog on The Jetsons) say "Ruh-roh!" too? LOL
Thanks again, Julie.
Julie, you are such a great writer, I love your subtle humor. You're even funny in the "previews".
And your phrase to the effect that you're not making this stuff up, just telling what you see applies to the whole durned thing. Such a strange piece of work!
Oh well, more fun for us.
Now the story has become "Juan, dead or alive?"
"Jimena, stubborn or comatose?"
My favorite part, the horse takes off and Franco laments, the horse is looking for Juan..
No the horse is thrilled to be rollin without 210 lbs. on his back.
Still, we did get a nekkid Caprichio sighting! Pretty sad statement. I mean, the horse is absolutely gorgeous, well trained, and every horse lover's dream but he really shouldn't be the high point of an episode. (Andalusian would be my guess but I'm not an expert, just a life long horse nut.)
What gives with the perpetual full moon?
Poor Rigo. For some reason, I like him & hope that Eugenia is sincere this time.
Stephe: sorry to hear about your brother. I can't imagine losing mine. It must have been devastating.
Perhaps EY is on a mental health break from this train wreck. He may not be found for a few weeks, when he's regained his sanity again. This script HAS to be killing the actors, if they have half a brain.
I still think it was lame of Bernardo not to show his evidence to Sofia or Grandpa or the police immediately instead of writing and hiding all those goofy notes, but Bernardo wasn't exactly a role model of good judgment.
And I'm sorry about your brother, Stephe. It must be especially unpleasant to watch such a painful thing depicted in such a nonsensical way.
Stepe- so sorry about your brother. I had an old buddy die last year the same way, and he went so fast that by the time I found out that he was sick, it was too late to visit him. Very sad.
If you pray and pray and pray and read and read the Bible (even fall asleep on the Bible!) doesn't that give you some kind of faith or hope in life!?
Butter Biscuit Stephe, I'm so sorry to hear about your baby brother.
Sorry about your brother Stephe.
The writers really do need to lighten things up here. Feo's beating last week was the only high point.
In real life, it's much more common that you need to pry dysfunctional couples apart with a crowbar because they can't leave each other alone!
Stephe, so sorry to hear about your brother. I lost mine in 2002. It is so hard, I will keep you in my thoughts.
Okay, so Gabby tricked JJ into signing the spring righs, so maybe no Rosie Reyes, although I still like it. That girls needs some family!
Of Mexico's population, 15% are indígenos.
75 % are mestizo - mixed European and Native American. They occupy various levels of prosperity and social standing.
The small percentage of citizens of purely European ancestry - some 10% of the population and often referred to as the "Thousand Families" - control the country's political power and economic wealth, just as the Spanish did more than 3 centuries before.
What I have noticed - someone correct me if I'm wrong (Beckster, any clues?) - that there are names common among immigrants here (who are all indígeno or mestizo): Rodriguez, Sanchez, Gonzalez, etc. Then there are names common among the lily-white actors, such as "Salinas." I've noticed that the familiy names of the actors of European descent often sound Mexican, but you never hear those names in the immigrant population (indígeno & mestizo) here. I wonder if the names are in two separate tracks, and never the twain shall meet. A wide chasm between the two. I assume the beauty contestants were all of the "Thousand Families" like when Fea showed the pagaent?
When I was in DF (Mexico City), it was at first strange to see so many families (at museums, etc.) who seemed totally American or European until they opened their mouths and I realized they were totally Mexican. When I was at Belles Artes (performing arts theater) to see the murals, there were people in line to see a concert there. EVERY ONE of the people in the line was all white (and looked like they only shopped at Sachs).
Julie, it was an excellent, very clever recap - thank you! I am still laughing at the "Keith Richards doll" reference.
Garbriela and Fernando continue unabated on their venemous roll. Now that Sophia is a zombie and Jimena is catatonic, what's in store for Sarita?
The tide needs to turn and quickly. Juan and El Coyote need to return pronto and dispense some badly needed justice. Diana in MA
Paula, I recall that in Destilando Amor, the crooked photographer got Gaviota a passport in the name of "Mariana Franco" because he said it sounded more aristocratic or classy than her real name, which was Teresa Hernandez. So there must be something to that name thing.
On another note, I really like that the moon is perpetually full in the land that time forgot. Maybe that full moon contributes to some of the crazy behavior! And Sofia as La Llorona -- whew! guess it means she flipped!!
Thank you so much Julie for the link to Hacienda San Agustin!! Don't you think we should all make reservations there and meet up -- we could take turns playing different roles when we get there! Dibs on Mariachi!
So far, her biggest challenge in life has been dealing with Franco. She has no idea how lucky she is! Now her family is in crisis. I'd like to see her finally rise to the occasion.
Anyway, if any place ever needed a werewolf, it's Mexidoon. Make your mark on the world, Sarita! Or at least some toothmarks!
The horse has become an independent character--capable of thinking, planning, & carrying out plans-- not that we didn't suspect it all along, but up til now he was just a good horse!!
Jimena in a daze
People talking to Libia, Bernardo, the Virgen, Jesus
People talking to pictures, dolls and toys
And of course, people just talking to themselves.
The good thing about this is that it's easier for me to understand the Spanish when there's no response (and when they're repeating something they've said 500 times before)!
By the way, Juan can't come back this time until the end (unless he has amnesia) because he actually saw Feo shoot him, and knows Feo took the baby.
And I liked the translation of desahogarte as "unbosom" yourself.
I want Rosario to do that. lol
Novelera - yes, they shot this crazy thing at the hotel/resort/whatever (it looks like they do a lot of weddings and banquets there too). It's the same place.
Scenes that take place in an actual room (bedroom/kitchen/study) are probably done in a studio, but the exteriors, the big staircase and the distinctive hallways and whatnot are all the real thing.
When this thing started, a few people said that some of the music (especially Feo's walking-around music) reminded them of The Prisoner.
Well... check this out!
No baby bump, and suddenly "it's a girl." Almost all Juan's scenes in that episode, e.g. Juan chasing Fern on horseback, were done by a stunt double. Then several days of no appearance whatsoever.
It sounds to me like he was suddenly unavailable (serious injury or illness), and they had to do a quick re-write to cover for him. I would normally also add that there is a distinct discontinuity, but in Fuego, that would be like saying "the sky is blue."
The only thing that doesn't make sense is that we would've heard about it from the gossip mill, like we heard that Oscar's injuries were real. There is what Pan Que mentioned about losing his grandmother, but even with that, you'd think they could get him to do one day of filming a few scenes for a more logical transition.
However, it's no secret that FELS was extended, and by my calculations (and the introduction of the Leonora subplot) it looks like we're at the extension now. It's possible that some of the actors had already committed to other projects, or balked at the extension. That could explain why several of them were "absent" for an episode or two recently.
I do know, from past incidents (not mentioning any names), that these actors typically do not get much time off, even for illness or a family emergency.
I was more surprised by Quintina. Why would she be struggling with a horse and cart on the roadside at night? (She'll probably tell us tonight, in lengthy detail.)
I don't want to know who is nursing the baby. I want to just assume she was dropped off at an orphanage. Since it is assumed Juan took the kid, they would be to stupid to go check the orphanage for new babies!
Since when do you call a “comisario”/sherrif to come and do you dirty work at home, and there are no formal charges filed? They call sheriff mutton chops to come look for incriminating evidence against Feonando. Pathetic….yeah, and only search in the office okay? First of all, we know Sherriff Mutton Chops has NOT SOLVED a crime in his entire life. They probably just called him so he can dust the office!!!! And La llorona….OMGoodness! That was one pathetic scene! Hilarious yet pathetic. Are the writers on strike in Mexico? Are they pulling off people from kindergarten to write this novella? What is up!? And where’s Juanito? Has he not floated down the river yet? By now he should be at the Panama Canal! And Capricho….he showed up at the hacienda last night…finally…come on Mr. Ed….tell us where Juan is! By the way, there was a donkey sighting? Where? I must’ve walked away! Is it Father Tad’s burro? Miss him! He was the smart one of the lot! And I refrain my Llorona comments, or I will never stop criticizing this novela!
When Eva appeared, I started wondering just how many shawls and of what color are in her wardrobe. How can they all fit in that one suitcase?
Thanks for the La Llorona link. I didn't have the captions on at the time (back and forth to Dancing with the Stars) and couldn't tell what Quintina was saying.
My favorite moment was Quinti singing the Bonbon song. I would love to see a complete performance.
I like the idea of Sarita as a werewolf. She's been mostly all buttoned down, so she could let the wild woman in her break out.
Connie, I'm glad you asked who's nursing the baby. I mean, they could find a wet nurse somewhere along the way, but there's no sign at all that Sofia has to deal with leaky boobs and any other problems with her milk coming in. Not that reality is part of Mexidoon.
Butter Biscuit, so very sorry about your brother and such an abrupt loss in your life.
I loved Capricho coming home from a long day of searching for Juan, Franco just shrugs: "guess he didn't find Juan today.." Glad he's on the job, and can bring himself home at night! I guess he can get his own dinner?
The Llorona, good lord. I heard about her from my ex who was from a mexican american family in NM!
She's kind of like the boogie man, you better not go out alone at night! When the wind howls you can hear her calling. Thanks for the wiki-link!
Loved the link to Hacienda San Agustin too, wow so gorgeous, my dream home would be spanish colonial! That place is from the 1500's, who knew?
Poor Rigo, such a cutie. I think he's going to die, then what's her name will be off the hook, and Benito can come back to find her.
While Jimena is catatonic, I wonder: is she having to wear a diaper?
I just really noticed it when I was in Mexico the first time in 90.
I just knew that I didn't see any blondes. I was all around the Bascilia and every head was dark except for the bad dye jobs.
Then a few years later..when I started watching TeleNovela's I was like, why are they blonde. My husband said cause they are the rich people. Then I would look up their names and lots of them had k's in the name..a germanic clue. Then I realized they got a lot of immigrants when the Soviet Union fell apart. Now and yes thank you, from my snarking, my husband always calls them Nazi Mexicans. Okay so maybe it was Argentina but it sounds good.
Also when I worked at a school, I had two students that were very blonde, but they were from Jalisco. You also see lots of more European appearing persons the closer you get to the border.
I guess all that slippin back and forth across the border. The general population and also the lower classes do not look European
If some actor has experienced a Real Life Event that causes a ripple within the story, some people notice the ripple and get curious or concerned about the actor.
If you know the explanation, you can provide an URL for the website where we can read about it if we want to. People will thank you.
If, instead, you just tell us what happened, some people will be unhappy because you've taken them WAY out of the story and spoiled their image of the character. Every time they see him, they're going to think about how he shot a hooker, or he had a big ugly pimple, or whatever.
On the other hand, I think we've agreed that the actors deserve some credit for the lumps they take for our entertainment, i.e. injuries incurred on the set. We talked a little about Angelica Vale's hand injury during LFMB, for example, and Jorge Salinas falling off the horse.
But talking about why/how he fell off the horse was deemed not okay, because it got into personal stuff.
Details of their private lives, especially if family stuff or relationships are involved - that usually gets deleted. (True, it doesn't seem very private if you see it in a magazine, but it's still their private lives.) "A and B just had a baby" got deleted. Gossip gets deleted.
"This actor is that actor's uncle" is usually okay. But "This actor is married to a woman who's on another show" got deleted. (You're trying to imagine him with his TV-girlfriend, and you can't do that if you keep picturing him with his actual wife who you like much better anyway.)
HIGHLY FICTITIOUS EXAMPLE: During a chocolate-induced frenzy, the star of the show allegedly beats a defenseless cell phone to death with her bare hands. She makes bail, but she's going to need a few days off for court appearances, and she might have to serve time or possibly go to Sweet Nothings Rehab Clinic. The show's producers deal with the uncertainty by having her character get kidnapped by aliens.
- Not okay to mention anything about this before the evidence shows up in an episode. Typically this is several months after it happened, and sometimes the outcome is already known.
- After the Martians drag her away by her bandaged, bruised hands, it's reasonable to acknowledge "yeah, something happened." People who don't know the whole story yet will pick up on this clue and Google it if they want to know more.
- Vaguely saying "yeah, something happened and she might be in trouble" or "she is having legal problems" may or may not be too much information. (I'm guilty of saying something like this and now I feel that I shouldn't have said it.)
- I think posting an URL is okay if you warn people that there are spoilers. Unless the URL is something like "www.cnn.com/phone_murder_jail_rehab.htm" which might be a little bit much.
- Saying "it's real, she snorted a bunch of chocolate milk mix and then punched a cell phone to death etc. etc. etc." is not okay.
- Saying "it's real, she snorted etc. AND there's a rumor that she eats puppies too" is definitely not okay.
- After the show ends, and she's on Cristina and talks about how she traded sex for chocolate in prison but she's all better now, it's pretty much fair game.
- Her boob job is also fair game, because you can totally see it.
- Plot spoilers, personal facts, etc. are pretty easy to come by on the Internet, and there are forums where these forbidden topics are enjoyed and appreciated. You may run into some of your Caray pals there, too.
Sorry this was so long-winded. And after all that, again I want to say that I'm not speaking for Melinama. I'm just remembering the kinds of things that have come up before, and how they were handled.
Mariachi: Go Find Juan!
If Capricho had an agent and could figure out how to use a cel phone, he'd be signing to do his own show. I'd watch it for sure!
BB, I'm so sorry for your loss. The Rigo brain tumor storyline is disturbing because the actor doesn't indulge in the usual TN cheezy overacting; it seems a bit too real.
If you google black Mexicans, there is a lot of info.
Mexican television was once horribly one sided. It has vastly improved in the last 30 years.
Racism once known as la Maldicion de la Malinche. The acceptance of White foreigners and the humiliation of the indigenous peoples still lingers.
Telenovela characters do not have any bodily functions except for sex, pregnancy-related barfing, childbirth, and death.
When they go to the bathroom, it's strictly to wash their hands, fix their makeup, eavesdrop, or threaten each other. (Or take a pregnancy test, or throw up.)
Eating is strictly a formality to bring a group of people together for an awkward conversation. Five minutes of sleep per week is the most anyone needs.
Remember, there were six Brady kids sharing one bathroom with no toilet. TV people just don't have to deal with this stuff.
Ok, so sort of understand the sort of line on personals. Thanks Julie.
See above link for one EY personal, but it seems too early on for where the story line is now. So see this link for something closer to our timeline.
Note that they are from Esmas, and not from tv gossip news.
Heh-heh, I was wondering about Jimena and a possible diaper or bed pan as well. I was my brother's caretaker, and those were absolute must-haves all day, every day. But then, we weren't in Mexidooooooon.... (Thanks everyone, for the kind words.)
And thanks, Julie, for helping with the "what's acceptable/what's not" rules.
How do you turn a spring off and on?
and then suddenly the water is coming out thru a complex systems of pipes and sprinklers?
Hmmm, gimme my Jiffy-Pop hat...