Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Querida Enemiga #80 Oct. 14,'08 Third Rate Romance, Low-Rent Rendezvous...Times Two!
Alternative title: There's More Adultery Where the Climate is Sultry
Now here's a serious take on infidelity from Sam R. Hamburg, clinical psychologist and marital therapist.
"In my work with torture survivors and with people who have lost a child, I have seen the face of anguish. The only other people in whom I've seen anything approaching that anguish are people who have been cheated on by their husband or their wife." (from Will Our Love Last?)
So Zully is going to get a double dose of anguish in her life. Her mother-in-law led her to believe her child was dead and now her husband has also betrayed her. Pretty tough karma for this hard-working, loyal lady.
By putting aside that gloomy destiny for a moment, let's recap (or "recrap" as Cheryl says) from the beginning.
Old stuff: Greta is kissing Omar. Zully and Lorena are at the kitchen table waiting for him to arrive for dinner. He'll be eating elsewhere tonight.
Zully can't wait to tell him she's forgiven Hortensia but wants to deliver the news in person. Bad move; she might have headed off the betrayal. Then again, maybe not.
Sara and Bruno are all buzzed up over the sabotage of the banquet. Bruno in particular is on an adrenaline high.
Lorena is looking at both bouquets (yes, we all keep thinking back to Julie's "Mine's bigger" quip), kissing first Ernesto's card and then Alonso's...but neglecting to call either one of them to say thank you. Kids today!
Now the new stuff. Alternate scene of Alonso and Ernesto, hanging by the phone like junior high girls, waiting for it to ring. Hoping to get that loving let's-get-back-together message from Lorena. When Toribio wants to use the phone to call one of his amiguitas from Tai Chi, Alonso practically slaps his hand away. Toribio by the way is exultant over his new-found energy and force which he attributes to the Tai Chi practice but which may be more due to the new found attention from multiple ladies. Certainly it's giving Omar more energy. But wait, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Maruja and Paula are hanging out, discussing her separation from Dario and both wish that Greta were there to share the celebration. It's all peace and love...Paula's ready to leave the hate and resentment behind and eager to start what she thinks will be the best part of her life. Maruja observes that their attempt to reconcile was well-intentioned but doomed, because once you've shattered a vase to pieces, you can't put it back together again. It's never the same. Amen sistah. They toast the vision of Paula's brave new world.
Omar's feeling nervous...a real case of Performance Anxiety and wants to stop by the pharmacy for some "migraine medication" before knocking boots with Greta. She ain't havin' it, 'cause she's sure that he'll back out if she lets him get away.
Now we have one of those bed to bed scenes. We see Zulema tossing and turning in her lonely bed, wondering why Omar's not home, and also wondering if she should call. And then we see Greta and Omar in their blissful "après l'amour" bed....Greta's stoking his chest and telling him he's a tiger...and guess what, tiger is already for round 2! And that's the clincher. He tells himself Zully's the culprit in this mess...she just doesn't turn him on anymore. Classy....real classy.
And bed is just around the corner for our gruesome twosome Bruno and Sara. They're toasting success in their "business" and looking forward to spending a lot of time together hatching more mischief. The sexy saxophone music plays in the background just in case we didn't get the drift. Next thing you know, they're back at Bruno and Diana's apartment and he carries her over the threshold like she's a bride. I wanted this since the moment I met you, he smiles exultantly.
Back to Zully's bedroom. Omar finally arrives; she wakes up. She tries to tell him about Hortensia's visit and the forgiveness, but he snarls at her, thinking she's going to complain about mom again. The night ends on a cold note and is no better the next morning when he tries to leave without waking her or having breakfast with her. More snarling. When she says she has something important to tell him, he snaps, Make it fast. I'm in a hurry. She decides to wait until later.
The psychologists call this "consistency bias". You think of yourself as a good person. Then you do something rotten, like...say.... cheat on your spouse. But a good person wouldn't do that! So it can't be YOUR fault. The spouse is to blame and gets treated even more badly. Ay yi yi....the Human Comedy. Sure hope God's laughing, 'cause we aren't.
Anyway, Zully's nobly making excuses to Lorena for Omar's temper, sympathizing with the stress he's under, working two jobs, and wanting to clear things up between them. Not looking forward to seeing this particular anvil fall.
From one cheating husband to another...this time Bruno, aka Dr. Despicable. He's bringing Sara breakfast in bed, something his wife Diana "never deserved" according to the good doc. Sara inspires a passion in him that Diana never did. ( Again, the old blame-the-victim strategy.) And he loves strong, aggressive women....like Sara. He advises her to forget Alonso and she tells him to mind his own business. Hey dude! that's how strong, aggressive women talk.
And another cheating husband!...this time Arturo, who's filling his mom's house with boxes and boxes of.....cornmeal?....no, he's now decided to export charro sombreros to Japan and is certain he's going to be a millionaire.
And now on to our next "pecadora" Miss Jacqui, jumping for joy because the x-rays came back negative...she's been "healed" of her alleged breast cancer. Canny spiritualist reminds her that she has to keep connected to the "light" and the "ascended master" or the disease could come back. And turns out the best way to do that is keep turning over money to the cause (let go of materialism) plus bring others into the fold. Sort of like a spiritual Amway I guess. (don't sue me, guys!)
From tainted love to young love. Paula finds a note to Bettina from Ivan signed "with all my love". They have a little heart to heart about trusting each other and not keeping secrets and no, Mom's not mad...she's realizing that her little girl is growing up.
And a mirroring heart to heart with Ernesto and Ivan. Tio Ernie advises him to treat Bettina with respect ("yes sir, answers Ivan) Seriously, says Ernesto, avoid temptations. I love her too much to hurt her, Ivan reassures him. They then discuss whether Ernesto will get back with Lorena. Ernesto says for sure (Ojala! my friend) and they make a bet. If Ivan loses, he'll have to debone a gazillion chickens.
Now we see a mostly recovered Vasco walking with the other ecology guy and talking about the support from the federal government. Barb and Jaime show up hand in hand, ready to see Mother Nature with new eyes and do the right thing...turn off lights, recycle and minimize car use. They're both cozy and warm with each other.... but not getting back together. Barb reminds Vasco that Dad is marrying a lovely woman and she's all for it.
Hortensia is meeting with her lawyer. Now honestly....doesn't he seem more brain-damaged that she does? He talks sooooo slowly and never seems to quite understand. Seems like he's taken one too many qualudes. Oh well. Horty wants to change her will, leaving equal parts to Omar, Jaime, Vasco and Lorena. Oh and bequeath 2 million pesos to Nurse Augusta. In addition, she wants to press charges against Sara...who tried to kill her twice. The second time, her actual granddaughter Lorena saved her life. Slow lawyer tells her he's not a criminal lawyer but he'll consult with a colleague and see that it gets done. Slooooooowly, no doubt.
Back at the Armendariz office, all hell is breaking loose. The president of the Banker's Club storms in, demanding action for the more than 100 people in the hospital due to presumed food poisoning from the banquet last night. Omar and the current manager promise to investigate while assuring the angry president that they have the highest hygiene standards in their kitchen. (Yeah, but you leave the back door unlocked so Sara can get in, people!) Omar is troubled as well because he hasn't been able to get in touch with Jaime and Vasco.
The writers decide to give us a little break from all this sturm und drang with a little mother-daughter pre-wedding hairdo bonding....except it's not going well. First Maruja looks like an onion and then like Angela Davis. Rossy on the other hand is well-pleased with her coiffure and wants mom to go along with the program. They argue. They make up. Maruja tells her the happiest day of her life was when Rossy was born.
Okay...that's pretty much it for the good stuff. Sorry.
Hortensia is talking with Augusta, planning a welcome dinner for Jaime and Vasco and imagining what it would be like if Omar, Jaime, Vasco and Lorena (after graduating from culinary school) all came back to work at the firm. Well....maybe....but not before we go through a lot more Sara-induced suffering, Granny.
Back at the lesser house, baby problems. Saulito is sick and they decide to take him to the clinic where another Bruno scene ensues. Alonso is checking the infant when Bruno storms in demanding to know what's going on. Diana tries to keep him from touching the child and lets everyone know that Bruno beat her and that she's divorcing him. Lady doc arrives, makes Bruno and Alonso both leave and checks the baby herself. Later she tells Bruno if there are any more scenes, he's outta there.
Lorena stops briefly in Alonso's office. She still doesn't give him a decision on his spend-one-day-together-plan but does finally remember to thank him for the flowers as she goes out the door. The baby gets the necessary medication, Lorena goes back to school and we're subjected to another Omar/Greta seduction scene.
Omar has had to rush from the food poisoning disaster (after an uncomfortable confrontation with Hortensia's lawyer...the same weasel who defended Horty on the baby kidnapping charge) to his other job where he's a half hour late for a presentation. Victor is mad and Greta is still aflame, having left Omar a steamy message tacked on his computer. Omar is super stressed but Greta has all the answers...he needs to relax, whatever , whenever, she'll be there. Big steamy kiss and he caves. All over but the shoutin'.
Switch to Sara who's gloating over the TV news on the banquet food poisoning disaster. And at the institute, the students are congratulating Ernesto on his replacing Sara as the new Alegria de Cocina chef on TV. Lorena walks right by him without saying a thing! (ye gods, she could at least thank him for the flowers, couldn't she!?) She goes into class and whines to Patty about what a martyrdom it will be to continue to attend Ernesto's classes until the end of the semester. A gloomy Ernesto comes in and Patty points out that he looks as miserable as Lorena does. Indeed!
Chef Hawt gives a thinly veiled love plea designed as a student pep talk. Cooking is like Life. We all makes mistakes. And if we're honest and if we have really tried, we deserve a second chance.
Meaningful looks exchanged between him and Lorena.
And would that this were the final scene but it isn't. We end back at Evil Acres (now Redeemed Acres, I guess) where Hortensia is awaiting the arrival of Vasco and Jaime. She's delighted to see them and asks for a hug from Jaime. Then Omar arrives to give them all the bad news about the food poisoning, the pending lawsuits for millions of dollars and well, suffice it to say he's a real wet blanket for the celebration dinner. We end with Hortensia looking muy impactada.
Previews: Who cares? Haven't you had enough misery for one night? I sure have.
Now here's a serious take on infidelity from Sam R. Hamburg, clinical psychologist and marital therapist.
"In my work with torture survivors and with people who have lost a child, I have seen the face of anguish. The only other people in whom I've seen anything approaching that anguish are people who have been cheated on by their husband or their wife." (from Will Our Love Last?)
So Zully is going to get a double dose of anguish in her life. Her mother-in-law led her to believe her child was dead and now her husband has also betrayed her. Pretty tough karma for this hard-working, loyal lady.
By putting aside that gloomy destiny for a moment, let's recap (or "recrap" as Cheryl says) from the beginning.
Old stuff: Greta is kissing Omar. Zully and Lorena are at the kitchen table waiting for him to arrive for dinner. He'll be eating elsewhere tonight.
Zully can't wait to tell him she's forgiven Hortensia but wants to deliver the news in person. Bad move; she might have headed off the betrayal. Then again, maybe not.
Sara and Bruno are all buzzed up over the sabotage of the banquet. Bruno in particular is on an adrenaline high.
Lorena is looking at both bouquets (yes, we all keep thinking back to Julie's "Mine's bigger" quip), kissing first Ernesto's card and then Alonso's...but neglecting to call either one of them to say thank you. Kids today!
Now the new stuff. Alternate scene of Alonso and Ernesto, hanging by the phone like junior high girls, waiting for it to ring. Hoping to get that loving let's-get-back-together message from Lorena. When Toribio wants to use the phone to call one of his amiguitas from Tai Chi, Alonso practically slaps his hand away. Toribio by the way is exultant over his new-found energy and force which he attributes to the Tai Chi practice but which may be more due to the new found attention from multiple ladies. Certainly it's giving Omar more energy. But wait, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Maruja and Paula are hanging out, discussing her separation from Dario and both wish that Greta were there to share the celebration. It's all peace and love...Paula's ready to leave the hate and resentment behind and eager to start what she thinks will be the best part of her life. Maruja observes that their attempt to reconcile was well-intentioned but doomed, because once you've shattered a vase to pieces, you can't put it back together again. It's never the same. Amen sistah. They toast the vision of Paula's brave new world.
Omar's feeling nervous...a real case of Performance Anxiety and wants to stop by the pharmacy for some "migraine medication" before knocking boots with Greta. She ain't havin' it, 'cause she's sure that he'll back out if she lets him get away.
Now we have one of those bed to bed scenes. We see Zulema tossing and turning in her lonely bed, wondering why Omar's not home, and also wondering if she should call. And then we see Greta and Omar in their blissful "après l'amour" bed....Greta's stoking his chest and telling him he's a tiger...and guess what, tiger is already for round 2! And that's the clincher. He tells himself Zully's the culprit in this mess...she just doesn't turn him on anymore. Classy....real classy.
And bed is just around the corner for our gruesome twosome Bruno and Sara. They're toasting success in their "business" and looking forward to spending a lot of time together hatching more mischief. The sexy saxophone music plays in the background just in case we didn't get the drift. Next thing you know, they're back at Bruno and Diana's apartment and he carries her over the threshold like she's a bride. I wanted this since the moment I met you, he smiles exultantly.
Back to Zully's bedroom. Omar finally arrives; she wakes up. She tries to tell him about Hortensia's visit and the forgiveness, but he snarls at her, thinking she's going to complain about mom again. The night ends on a cold note and is no better the next morning when he tries to leave without waking her or having breakfast with her. More snarling. When she says she has something important to tell him, he snaps, Make it fast. I'm in a hurry. She decides to wait until later.
The psychologists call this "consistency bias". You think of yourself as a good person. Then you do something rotten, like...say.... cheat on your spouse. But a good person wouldn't do that! So it can't be YOUR fault. The spouse is to blame and gets treated even more badly. Ay yi yi....the Human Comedy. Sure hope God's laughing, 'cause we aren't.
Anyway, Zully's nobly making excuses to Lorena for Omar's temper, sympathizing with the stress he's under, working two jobs, and wanting to clear things up between them. Not looking forward to seeing this particular anvil fall.
From one cheating husband to another...this time Bruno, aka Dr. Despicable. He's bringing Sara breakfast in bed, something his wife Diana "never deserved" according to the good doc. Sara inspires a passion in him that Diana never did. ( Again, the old blame-the-victim strategy.) And he loves strong, aggressive women....like Sara. He advises her to forget Alonso and she tells him to mind his own business. Hey dude! that's how strong, aggressive women talk.
And another cheating husband!...this time Arturo, who's filling his mom's house with boxes and boxes of.....cornmeal?....no, he's now decided to export charro sombreros to Japan and is certain he's going to be a millionaire.
And now on to our next "pecadora" Miss Jacqui, jumping for joy because the x-rays came back negative...she's been "healed" of her alleged breast cancer. Canny spiritualist reminds her that she has to keep connected to the "light" and the "ascended master" or the disease could come back. And turns out the best way to do that is keep turning over money to the cause (let go of materialism) plus bring others into the fold. Sort of like a spiritual Amway I guess. (don't sue me, guys!)
From tainted love to young love. Paula finds a note to Bettina from Ivan signed "with all my love". They have a little heart to heart about trusting each other and not keeping secrets and no, Mom's not mad...she's realizing that her little girl is growing up.
And a mirroring heart to heart with Ernesto and Ivan. Tio Ernie advises him to treat Bettina with respect ("yes sir, answers Ivan) Seriously, says Ernesto, avoid temptations. I love her too much to hurt her, Ivan reassures him. They then discuss whether Ernesto will get back with Lorena. Ernesto says for sure (Ojala! my friend) and they make a bet. If Ivan loses, he'll have to debone a gazillion chickens.
Now we see a mostly recovered Vasco walking with the other ecology guy and talking about the support from the federal government. Barb and Jaime show up hand in hand, ready to see Mother Nature with new eyes and do the right thing...turn off lights, recycle and minimize car use. They're both cozy and warm with each other.... but not getting back together. Barb reminds Vasco that Dad is marrying a lovely woman and she's all for it.
Hortensia is meeting with her lawyer. Now honestly....doesn't he seem more brain-damaged that she does? He talks sooooo slowly and never seems to quite understand. Seems like he's taken one too many qualudes. Oh well. Horty wants to change her will, leaving equal parts to Omar, Jaime, Vasco and Lorena. Oh and bequeath 2 million pesos to Nurse Augusta. In addition, she wants to press charges against Sara...who tried to kill her twice. The second time, her actual granddaughter Lorena saved her life. Slow lawyer tells her he's not a criminal lawyer but he'll consult with a colleague and see that it gets done. Slooooooowly, no doubt.
Back at the Armendariz office, all hell is breaking loose. The president of the Banker's Club storms in, demanding action for the more than 100 people in the hospital due to presumed food poisoning from the banquet last night. Omar and the current manager promise to investigate while assuring the angry president that they have the highest hygiene standards in their kitchen. (Yeah, but you leave the back door unlocked so Sara can get in, people!) Omar is troubled as well because he hasn't been able to get in touch with Jaime and Vasco.
The writers decide to give us a little break from all this sturm und drang with a little mother-daughter pre-wedding hairdo bonding....except it's not going well. First Maruja looks like an onion and then like Angela Davis. Rossy on the other hand is well-pleased with her coiffure and wants mom to go along with the program. They argue. They make up. Maruja tells her the happiest day of her life was when Rossy was born.
Okay...that's pretty much it for the good stuff. Sorry.
Hortensia is talking with Augusta, planning a welcome dinner for Jaime and Vasco and imagining what it would be like if Omar, Jaime, Vasco and Lorena (after graduating from culinary school) all came back to work at the firm. Well....maybe....but not before we go through a lot more Sara-induced suffering, Granny.
Back at the lesser house, baby problems. Saulito is sick and they decide to take him to the clinic where another Bruno scene ensues. Alonso is checking the infant when Bruno storms in demanding to know what's going on. Diana tries to keep him from touching the child and lets everyone know that Bruno beat her and that she's divorcing him. Lady doc arrives, makes Bruno and Alonso both leave and checks the baby herself. Later she tells Bruno if there are any more scenes, he's outta there.
Lorena stops briefly in Alonso's office. She still doesn't give him a decision on his spend-one-day-together-plan but does finally remember to thank him for the flowers as she goes out the door. The baby gets the necessary medication, Lorena goes back to school and we're subjected to another Omar/Greta seduction scene.
Omar has had to rush from the food poisoning disaster (after an uncomfortable confrontation with Hortensia's lawyer...the same weasel who defended Horty on the baby kidnapping charge) to his other job where he's a half hour late for a presentation. Victor is mad and Greta is still aflame, having left Omar a steamy message tacked on his computer. Omar is super stressed but Greta has all the answers...he needs to relax, whatever , whenever, she'll be there. Big steamy kiss and he caves. All over but the shoutin'.
Switch to Sara who's gloating over the TV news on the banquet food poisoning disaster. And at the institute, the students are congratulating Ernesto on his replacing Sara as the new Alegria de Cocina chef on TV. Lorena walks right by him without saying a thing! (ye gods, she could at least thank him for the flowers, couldn't she!?) She goes into class and whines to Patty about what a martyrdom it will be to continue to attend Ernesto's classes until the end of the semester. A gloomy Ernesto comes in and Patty points out that he looks as miserable as Lorena does. Indeed!
Chef Hawt gives a thinly veiled love plea designed as a student pep talk. Cooking is like Life. We all makes mistakes. And if we're honest and if we have really tried, we deserve a second chance.
Meaningful looks exchanged between him and Lorena.
And would that this were the final scene but it isn't. We end back at Evil Acres (now Redeemed Acres, I guess) where Hortensia is awaiting the arrival of Vasco and Jaime. She's delighted to see them and asks for a hug from Jaime. Then Omar arrives to give them all the bad news about the food poisoning, the pending lawsuits for millions of dollars and well, suffice it to say he's a real wet blanket for the celebration dinner. We end with Hortensia looking muy impactada.
Previews: Who cares? Haven't you had enough misery for one night? I sure have.
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Thanks, Judyb. It's time for me to get to bed because I have a looong day tomorrow, but I've just got to say : Omar , you are a major disappointment. Shame on you. And, shame on you, too, Greta.
Permalink posted by 
: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 at 10:17:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 at 10:17:00 PM EDT
I'm with you, Susanlynn. What a bummer. I always have trouble sleeping after a night of recapping, and tonight's gonna be especially tough!
Buenas noches, querida amiga.
Buenas noches, querida amiga.
Hi Judy, I just stopped by after posting my "recrap" of Fuego to agree that Omar is a big disappointment. His fall from grace is worse than seeing Sara continue to be a monster. How could he and shame on Greta or whoever she is. Husband stalking is a nasty crime for all concerned.
Nighty night amigos.
Nighty night amigos.
Thank you, Judy, for the recap and a lot of great observations. I wish the writers would spare Zulema from ever finding out about Omar's affair. But this being a telenovela, I guess that's impossible.
oh my gosh, I just can't believe he caved!!!! How awful!!!! I guess this is to show that no one is perfect, not him, not his bro, not his Ma. I can't believe it, the ywere such a good happy couple despite all of their issues. How could the writers do this to us!!!!AARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!
Funny recap though Judy...I must say, you made the best of crappy for sure, I don't even think I want to watch this, I'll probably gag!!!!
Funny recap though Judy...I must say, you made the best of crappy for sure, I don't even think I want to watch this, I'll probably gag!!!!
Hi Cheryl!! Beautiful pic on the Fuego recrap.
Omar!!! Whazzup wid him? Sure didn't take him long, did it? He and Greta did a bad, bad thing. Greta's in great danger of 1) being used and tossed aside, and 2) being rejected by her best amigas when they discover her perfidy, especially since it is against Zulema. I don't care how those two justify it, lying and cheating is just wrong. Like Ferro said, people ALWAYS find out, especially when one leaves bright pink love post-its in clear view.
Bruno and Sara, she clearly has the upper hand. He's gross and deserves all the bad stuff that comes from hanging around with her. I thought he was going to slap Diana in front of everyone.
Thanks JudyB! You kind of got stuck with a dog of an episode (oops, no offense to Willa) but you made the most of it. As usual your recap was much better than the original!
Omar!!! Whazzup wid him? Sure didn't take him long, did it? He and Greta did a bad, bad thing. Greta's in great danger of 1) being used and tossed aside, and 2) being rejected by her best amigas when they discover her perfidy, especially since it is against Zulema. I don't care how those two justify it, lying and cheating is just wrong. Like Ferro said, people ALWAYS find out, especially when one leaves bright pink love post-its in clear view.
Bruno and Sara, she clearly has the upper hand. He's gross and deserves all the bad stuff that comes from hanging around with her. I thought he was going to slap Diana in front of everyone.
Thanks JudyB! You kind of got stuck with a dog of an episode (oops, no offense to Willa) but you made the most of it. As usual your recap was much better than the original!
Well, I guess we're all in a state of mourning...for the death of trust in a marriage and for all the hurt that's going to come from this.
I'm sure the truth "will out" because Omar and staff will come under suspicion when the investigators discover the poisoning of the food was deliberate. Then Omar will have to explain where he was so late at night. No, not a spoiler, just a nasty presentiment I got watching this episode.
By the way, thanks to Mike for the title. I always said I had "dibs" on it but was sure sorry to use it in this instance.
Be careful what you wish for, Judy!
I'm sure the truth "will out" because Omar and staff will come under suspicion when the investigators discover the poisoning of the food was deliberate. Then Omar will have to explain where he was so late at night. No, not a spoiler, just a nasty presentiment I got watching this episode.
By the way, thanks to Mike for the title. I always said I had "dibs" on it but was sure sorry to use it in this instance.
Be careful what you wish for, Judy!
I'm back. Just a quick comment before heading off to work. I had the sound off for this entire episode because I was on the phone with my daughter. When I looked up and saw Greta in bed with a Omar, I just could not believe my eyes. He has been painted throughout the novela as a kind, gentle, easygoing family man who seemed to be in love with his wife even though she has packed on some pounds. Things seem to be going well right now...He has a job.They are reunited with their true daughter and are relieved that The Bad Seed isn't really theirs. Diana is free from the Brute. Julian has a job and is ready to get married. Omar's reconciling with his brother and mother.And he and Zully did get it on the other night, didn't they ??? So why would he fall into the trap of that maneater NOW when things seem to be going well for him. What a dirty rat. We expect bad behavior from the villains, but when it comes from a good guy, it's very upsetting. Infidelity would be very hard for me to forgive. Everyone gets tempted , but giving into the temptation can ruin a good marriage. Is a liitle pleasure really worth the destruction of a marriage and a family? This was completely out of character for the way the writers have portrayed Omar. Shame on them , too. With so many evil characters, it's important to have characters who show integrity and honor.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 7:35:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 7:35:00 AM EDT
Yrs, Susanlynn...this was one of the most distressing episodes ever. Perhaps because it hits so close to home.
I don't think any of us got raised in an orphanage or had people try and push us down the stairs, but some of us have suffered infidelity in a marriage, either as spouses or children, and certainly ALL of us have commiserated with a friend who was cheated on. The older you get, the more hands of sobbing friends you have held and it ain't pretty.
And not just gals, I've had several guy friends who were deceived by their wives as well. It's an ugly two-way street.
And in the Omar/Zulema case.... I think it's important not only to be able to trust your husband, but also to be able to RESPECT him....and doubly important for the children to be able to respect him. How is that possible after this?
Well, we know it will be. Forgiveness and reconciliation will be wrapped up in a few episodes, like magic. But it's not that way in real life so CRAP! what a downer episode!
I don't think any of us got raised in an orphanage or had people try and push us down the stairs, but some of us have suffered infidelity in a marriage, either as spouses or children, and certainly ALL of us have commiserated with a friend who was cheated on. The older you get, the more hands of sobbing friends you have held and it ain't pretty.
And not just gals, I've had several guy friends who were deceived by their wives as well. It's an ugly two-way street.
And in the Omar/Zulema case.... I think it's important not only to be able to trust your husband, but also to be able to RESPECT him....and doubly important for the children to be able to respect him. How is that possible after this?
Well, we know it will be. Forgiveness and reconciliation will be wrapped up in a few episodes, like magic. But it's not that way in real life so CRAP! what a downer episode!
Good Day, Just stopped by to say hello to friends here,especially Judyb and Schoolmarm..Hope to see you on the next interesting novela..Hope all are doing well?
Maureen, ExportRed
Maureen, ExportRed
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 8:10:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 8:10:00 AM EDT
Hey Maureen...sorry I missed you. Just got my TV y Novelas the other day and finally understood "el chisme" about our Gaviota. But won't go into that here, per the rules.
Have a great day, amiga!
Have a great day, amiga!
Hi Maureen, great to hear from you as always! Thanks for checking in.
Back to QE...
I thought it was interesting how when Omar was boinking Greta he wouldn't allow her to talk about Zulema. Was it his guilt Guilt GUILT taking over? Was it because he somehow has Zulema on a pedestal? If it's the latter he's doing his wife no favor. Maybe that is his "little soldier" problem.
Again, they were fast about it. If I'd gotten up to butter my cornbread I would have missed the tawdry scene entirely. As it was I had to do a double take.
Back to QE...
I thought it was interesting how when Omar was boinking Greta he wouldn't allow her to talk about Zulema. Was it his guilt Guilt GUILT taking over? Was it because he somehow has Zulema on a pedestal? If it's the latter he's doing his wife no favor. Maybe that is his "little soldier" problem.
Again, they were fast about it. If I'd gotten up to butter my cornbread I would have missed the tawdry scene entirely. As it was I had to do a double take.
Judyb: You managed to derive humor and provide great insight into one of the most depressing episodes ever. Yours was a masterful recap and you could not have come up with a more spot on title.
I would like to add another group to those mentioned in Mr. Hambrug's take on infidelity. The children. Forgive me in advance for getting personal. As a child of a family broken apart by infidelity, I can tell you that the pain and suffering continues. There are severe repercussions, some of which don't diminish. I still tear up almost 50 years afterward. I know my experience wasn't unique and was and is shared by way too many others. I forgave but I can't forget. Some things you just can't "get over".
No one deserves it and especially Zulema. Omar - double blech. Diana in MA
I would like to add another group to those mentioned in Mr. Hambrug's take on infidelity. The children. Forgive me in advance for getting personal. As a child of a family broken apart by infidelity, I can tell you that the pain and suffering continues. There are severe repercussions, some of which don't diminish. I still tear up almost 50 years afterward. I know my experience wasn't unique and was and is shared by way too many others. I forgave but I can't forget. Some things you just can't "get over".
No one deserves it and especially Zulema. Omar - double blech. Diana in MA
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 11:05:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 11:05:00 AM EDT
Hmm...butter your cornbread...do you have a special recipe, Miss Sylvia? I've tried various ones and always make it in a black iron skillet 'cause that's how my mama used to do it...but I'm always ready to try it new ways.
Diana in MA...You say such nice things...and thank you...because this is a recap I really struggled with. Too many personal associations for me as well. Had to find some outside humor and also wisdom in order to write it.
I agree about the children. And while a woman might eventually forgive her husband for such a betrayal, can she ever forgive him for hurting their children so deeply? Very difficult.
Of course Paula is right when, in her broken marriage, she chooses to let go of hate and rancor and move on...but that takes years (maybe decades)....not just months, as it seemd to in her case.
Diana in MA...You say such nice things...and thank you...because this is a recap I really struggled with. Too many personal associations for me as well. Had to find some outside humor and also wisdom in order to write it.
I agree about the children. And while a woman might eventually forgive her husband for such a betrayal, can she ever forgive him for hurting their children so deeply? Very difficult.
Of course Paula is right when, in her broken marriage, she chooses to let go of hate and rancor and move on...but that takes years (maybe decades)....not just months, as it seemd to in her case.
I, too, was totally disappointed when Omar gave in to Greta. Didn't he ever learn to "just say NO"? Many years ago, I had a friend who had a brief affair. My friend was very heavy and thought himself unattractive. This young girl completely flattered him, and he left his wife for about a month. Then the new girl wanted to change everything about my friend, and he realized his mistake. Somehow his wife took him back, but he was "in the doghouse" (deservedly) for YEARS. They're okay now.
But in our story, you'd think Omar will be forgiven pretty quickly, so Lorena can have her happy family in the end.
But in our story, you'd think Omar will be forgiven pretty quickly, so Lorena can have her happy family in the end.
Yeah Omar what a loser. I can't believe it. I thought well maybe he'll make out with her, then think better of it and back off and that will be the end of it. Then BAM he's in bed with her in an instant. I think every single character on this show is going through a good guy/bad guy cycle at some point.
Jaime, Hortensia - obviously.
Zulema - shunning Lorena for a while, but mostly good.
Alonso - duh
Ern - duh
Lorena - bad guy for being so hypocritical
Sara - was good for the first five minutes of the first episode
Greta - good friend, now back-stabber
Paula - insufferable bitch but now good
Dario - philanderer but now good guy
Omar - good guy but now a louse
Diana - bad guy for stupidly breaking up with Vasco.
Chalo - was a good guy with Barb after finding love
Barb - see Chalo
I think the only ones who have remained all good or all bad are:
Vasco - seems above reproach
Bruno - has been a snake the entire time
Julian, Rosy, and Maruja - all good all the time, the worst they get is jealous or pissy, but not bad
The nuns - of course
who am I missing?
Jaime, Hortensia - obviously.
Zulema - shunning Lorena for a while, but mostly good.
Alonso - duh
Ern - duh
Lorena - bad guy for being so hypocritical
Sara - was good for the first five minutes of the first episode
Greta - good friend, now back-stabber
Paula - insufferable bitch but now good
Dario - philanderer but now good guy
Omar - good guy but now a louse
Diana - bad guy for stupidly breaking up with Vasco.
Chalo - was a good guy with Barb after finding love
Barb - see Chalo
I think the only ones who have remained all good or all bad are:
Vasco - seems above reproach
Bruno - has been a snake the entire time
Julian, Rosy, and Maruja - all good all the time, the worst they get is jealous or pissy, but not bad
The nuns - of course
who am I missing?
Oh Toribio has even straddled the good/bad line, after lying to Alonso and almost killing Chalo, even if it was an accident.
JACKIE - how could I forget - had a good spell just before marrying Dario
Ickturo - for 30 seconds regretted how he treated Valeria, then went back to bad
Valeria - all good all the time (in more ways than one!)
Ickturo - for 30 seconds regretted how he treated Valeria, then went back to bad
Valeria - all good all the time (in more ways than one!)
I considered Vasco a bad guy (momentarily) for getting all snotty with his mom about Chalo not being "of our class." But admittedly he was mad at her for doing the same thing to him over Diana.
However, I don't know if Jacqui's ever been good. When she split up with Dario said she only ever wanted him for his money. Now, maybe she was only saying that out of anger, but I find it quite easy to believe that she was on her best behavior at that time strictly "por interesa."
Granted, she's being "good" now but that's because she's under the influence of a couple of swindlers. AND IT IS DELICIOUS.
However, I don't know if Jacqui's ever been good. When she split up with Dario said she only ever wanted him for his money. Now, maybe she was only saying that out of anger, but I find it quite easy to believe that she was on her best behavior at that time strictly "por interesa."
Granted, she's being "good" now but that's because she's under the influence of a couple of swindlers. AND IT IS DELICIOUS.
JudyB, let me join in the praise for your excellent recap. Can't put my finger on any one thing, but I particularly enjoyed it.
I have to admit I'm thinking pretty hateful things about Omar right now. Like susanlynn wrote, why now? How dare he try to blame Zulema. I've always told my husband (we recently celebrated our 16th anniversary) that if he had the undeniable urge to be with someone else to have the respect to tell me ahead of time and we could go our separate ways. I could at least have respect for him for being honest. I can't imagine ever being able to forgive that kind of betrayal and ever trust him again. Without trust and respect there is no relationship. I respect the decision of those who are able to forgive and save their marriages, especially when children are involved, but I think the marriage would be dead and burried for me. It's all just so icky.
Maybe it was the generally unhappy tone of the entire episode affecting me, but I wanted to smack Lorena for being so pleased and kind of smug over the dueling flowers. Especially since she continues to whine self-righteously about Ernesto. I could go on and on, but I'll spare us all.
Who would of thought that Snorty would be the one to actually come off well in an episode?!
I have to admit I'm thinking pretty hateful things about Omar right now. Like susanlynn wrote, why now? How dare he try to blame Zulema. I've always told my husband (we recently celebrated our 16th anniversary) that if he had the undeniable urge to be with someone else to have the respect to tell me ahead of time and we could go our separate ways. I could at least have respect for him for being honest. I can't imagine ever being able to forgive that kind of betrayal and ever trust him again. Without trust and respect there is no relationship. I respect the decision of those who are able to forgive and save their marriages, especially when children are involved, but I think the marriage would be dead and burried for me. It's all just so icky.
Maybe it was the generally unhappy tone of the entire episode affecting me, but I wanted to smack Lorena for being so pleased and kind of smug over the dueling flowers. Especially since she continues to whine self-righteously about Ernesto. I could go on and on, but I'll spare us all.
Who would of thought that Snorty would be the one to actually come off well in an episode?!
Chris: What about Monica? Diana in MA
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 2:13:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 2:13:00 PM EDT
Oh yeah Monica - I guess she has been basically bad, as she tries to meddle and doesn't care about anyone's feelings. I think her being open and honest with Ern at one point doesn't count, because she was doing that just to try and sink her hooks into him.
Alas, Omar, we liked thee once....
Thanks to JudyB for toiling through this recrap of an episode. There were a handful of gems on the mother-daughter hairdo and the little jungle trek, but for the most time this one was just plain painful to watch, thanks for enduring it for the recap ;)
I think Lorena knows in her heart who she wants (Ernesto), but she's struggling because she doesn't trust him and is grateful to Alonso. If she were smart, she would do one of two things: 1)Try to talk to Jimena and see if what Ern said was true (he's already offered) and go back to him or 2) Take some time off men altogether. The girl had barely left the convent when Alonso was glued to her and no sooner had she split with 'Slow than Ern was chasing her. She could tell them both she needs some alone time to think things through and be by herself with her family and her studies and her job and that she'll get back to them in a month or two, knowing full well they might choose not to wait for her. Off course that would only work in real life (though they could just flash to "un mes despues") but we need more action and angst in TV, so we'll see what the writers do. I'm still not convinced that 'Slow will get Lore. Maybe he'll start talking to Pati to get her help and end up falling in love with her ;) Maybe he'll get a gig with Doctors without Borders and fall in love with some activist. Just a thought...
Thanks to JudyB for toiling through this recrap of an episode. There were a handful of gems on the mother-daughter hairdo and the little jungle trek, but for the most time this one was just plain painful to watch, thanks for enduring it for the recap ;)
I think Lorena knows in her heart who she wants (Ernesto), but she's struggling because she doesn't trust him and is grateful to Alonso. If she were smart, she would do one of two things: 1)Try to talk to Jimena and see if what Ern said was true (he's already offered) and go back to him or 2) Take some time off men altogether. The girl had barely left the convent when Alonso was glued to her and no sooner had she split with 'Slow than Ern was chasing her. She could tell them both she needs some alone time to think things through and be by herself with her family and her studies and her job and that she'll get back to them in a month or two, knowing full well they might choose not to wait for her. Off course that would only work in real life (though they could just flash to "un mes despues") but we need more action and angst in TV, so we'll see what the writers do. I'm still not convinced that 'Slow will get Lore. Maybe he'll start talking to Pati to get her help and end up falling in love with her ;) Maybe he'll get a gig with Doctors without Borders and fall in love with some activist. Just a thought...
Thanks for the recap JudyB. I'm so sorry you got such an icky episode. ITA with all those who are gravely disappointed with Omar. I understand the character cycles Ferro was talking about but infidelity is a huge lapse in character. Have Omar become emotionally distance or verbally abusive -- while these things are awful the writers could get their point across without crossing the line of infidelty. Boo writers and Boo Omar.
Ugh, what a downer of an episode, but great recap, Judyb. I couldn't watch when Omar was with Greta. What an idiot.
The other thing that bugged me was the fight in the clinic. Don't they have any security people? You don't ignore the sick baby to watch people fight, Alonslow! Go ahead and treat the baby and assume that Bruto will not actually attack you there at work in front of everyone.
I hope something majorly happy occurs tonight...can't take too many episodes like this.
The other thing that bugged me was the fight in the clinic. Don't they have any security people? You don't ignore the sick baby to watch people fight, Alonslow! Go ahead and treat the baby and assume that Bruto will not actually attack you there at work in front of everyone.
I hope something majorly happy occurs tonight...can't take too many episodes like this.
Interesting comments you all....and clearly affairs push all our buttons in one way or another. We've either had a friend who was hurt by betrayal or have been hurt ourselves.
I agree with NJSue...one can stay together for the sake of the children (after all, one wants to teach them the value of forgiveness and kindness) but the core relationship is destroyed. After that, it is more like an "arranged marriage". One where both partners work together for the sake of the overall family, but that wonderful sense of being "special" to another person, (which makes the daily irritations of living together bearable) is gone.
Loved your list Ferro. Jacquie did have one brief moment of goodness when she was being kind and palsy walsy with Bettina. Taking her shopping, decorating her room, understanding her adolescent woes. It was very BRIEF, but it was there. Of course she was probably just enjoying competing with Paula for the affection of the daughter. Who knows?
Hombre de Misterio...I'm glad to know your friends are okay in their marriage. Divorce never heals a broken heart ...but staying married after a betrayal doesn't necessarily either. Still, no matter what happens, one still has a life and one can choose to make the best of it and appreciate its' blessings.
And herein endeth the sermon.
I agree with NJSue...one can stay together for the sake of the children (after all, one wants to teach them the value of forgiveness and kindness) but the core relationship is destroyed. After that, it is more like an "arranged marriage". One where both partners work together for the sake of the overall family, but that wonderful sense of being "special" to another person, (which makes the daily irritations of living together bearable) is gone.
Loved your list Ferro. Jacquie did have one brief moment of goodness when she was being kind and palsy walsy with Bettina. Taking her shopping, decorating her room, understanding her adolescent woes. It was very BRIEF, but it was there. Of course she was probably just enjoying competing with Paula for the affection of the daughter. Who knows?
Hombre de Misterio...I'm glad to know your friends are okay in their marriage. Divorce never heals a broken heart ...but staying married after a betrayal doesn't necessarily either. Still, no matter what happens, one still has a life and one can choose to make the best of it and appreciate its' blessings.
And herein endeth the sermon.
Whoops...I meant to say Rhonda from St. Louis instead of NJ Sue. The emotion of this episode has me even more frazzled than usual!
Gosh...seems like we are all writing at once....I missed Margarita, Julia and Karen.
I wish the writers hadn't decided to do this. Karen is right in that Omar could have displayed plenty of ratty qualities needing forgiveness without crossing this irrevocable line.
Sorry, writers, there's no spiritual bandaid big enough to cover this one. Short of a lobotomy, this will haunt Zulema (and Omar for that matter) for the rest of their lives.
Julia...glad you couldn't watch Omar with Greta. Actually, the worst part for me was when he was short and snotty with Zulema afterwards. That behavior is so true to life....and so painful. When a woman finally finds out about an affair, she thinks back to all the times during that period that her husband was unfeeling and unkind to her...and sees it in a whole new light. First you feel suicidal...then homicidal! Fortunately most of us don't act on those feelings!
Margarita...good idea about Doctors without Borders....Let's send Alonso waaaaaay far away.
I wish the writers hadn't decided to do this. Karen is right in that Omar could have displayed plenty of ratty qualities needing forgiveness without crossing this irrevocable line.
Sorry, writers, there's no spiritual bandaid big enough to cover this one. Short of a lobotomy, this will haunt Zulema (and Omar for that matter) for the rest of their lives.
Julia...glad you couldn't watch Omar with Greta. Actually, the worst part for me was when he was short and snotty with Zulema afterwards. That behavior is so true to life....and so painful. When a woman finally finds out about an affair, she thinks back to all the times during that period that her husband was unfeeling and unkind to her...and sees it in a whole new light. First you feel suicidal...then homicidal! Fortunately most of us don't act on those feelings!
Margarita...good idea about Doctors without Borders....Let's send Alonso waaaaaay far away.
And yes, Rhonda, a lot of us are wanting to smack smug little Lorena right now....as soon as we get done beating Omar to a pulp!
Yeah I'm not sure why people do what they do - when I feel irritated by something at home, I go straight to the source (wife) and bring it up even if I know it's going to start a fight (especially after I noticed that she doesn't have any qualms about pointing out whatever it is that I'm doing or not doing). I've tried the 'just forget about it' thing but that just makes your stomach hurt, but I never considered the 'find a hoochie at the office' route. I'll stick with arguing with my wife, in the end it all works out.
I'm with you Ferro - "don't go to bed angry, stay awake and fight it out." Just kidding, sometimes it's good to take a breath first so you don't jut start taking shots at each other. Nevertheless, I agree that no good can come out of festering, you gotta talk. Heck, that was the first class in PreCana!
As for Omar and Zully, I realize Zully was being a nag, but this was relatively new, and Omar should really have given her more time to see if she changed her mind, or gone to counseling! Cheating was not the way to go. Bad Omar!
As for Omar and Zully, I realize Zully was being a nag, but this was relatively new, and Omar should really have given her more time to see if she changed her mind, or gone to counseling! Cheating was not the way to go. Bad Omar!
Good move, Ferro... discussing things as they come up, rather than letting them simmer and turn into chronic resentments and distancing is the best. You're way ahead of most men, who shut down and clam up.
John Gottman is, in my opinion, one of the best researchers today on marital relations (and what to avoid). And he's honed his skills so well that he and his staff can look at a video of a couple discussing an issue in their marriage for only a few seconds and predict with astonishing accuracy whether the marriage will last or not.
He identifies Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse that one should avoid in a relationship. 1. Contempt 2. Criticism 3. Stonewalling 4. Defensiveness.
And finally he says, complain if you must (about specifics) but don't criticize.
Criticizing tends to target a person's character, whereas complaining targets a particular behavior.
From another book, by Henry Grayson, comes another intriguing concept...All we really have to forgive are our illusions about what we wanted our partner to be.
Worth thinking about. Applies to grown children as well. And to ourselves.
John Gottman is, in my opinion, one of the best researchers today on marital relations (and what to avoid). And he's honed his skills so well that he and his staff can look at a video of a couple discussing an issue in their marriage for only a few seconds and predict with astonishing accuracy whether the marriage will last or not.
He identifies Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse that one should avoid in a relationship. 1. Contempt 2. Criticism 3. Stonewalling 4. Defensiveness.
And finally he says, complain if you must (about specifics) but don't criticize.
Criticizing tends to target a person's character, whereas complaining targets a particular behavior.
From another book, by Henry Grayson, comes another intriguing concept...All we really have to forgive are our illusions about what we wanted our partner to be.
Worth thinking about. Applies to grown children as well. And to ourselves.
I will never claim to be smarter about being married than anyone else, it took me until my mid 30s to even GET married. Maybe I've just seen so much stupid behavior from other people that I picked something up? I learned just in general life that once you say something you can't take it back, I'm trying to put that to good use at home. I'd call that my #1 rule - don't say anything you might want to take back later, cause you won't get the chance.
Margarita - from what I can tell, "don't go to bed angry" is the biggest pile of crap ever. Maybe it's just our personalities at my house, but until we threw that out and started to regularly go to bed angry, we just fought with no resolution. Waiting until tomorrow has done wonders.
Waiting until your mid-thirties was probably a good idea, Ferro. Although I've seen some amazingly happy marriages for folks who met in high school. So who knows?...part luck, part wisdom, all confusing! Like life.
Whoops...missed your last one Ferro. I have read that men "flood" emotionally more than women and so one should wait at least 20 minutes before returning to a tough topic, and maybe overnight is a good thing. Supposedly, mens' heartrates go so high (and stay so high) when they are angered that "even the most eloquent apology will fail to be heard." The killer is if the issue stays undiscussed and unresolved for weeks or months on end. Fighting when you're tired is probably extrememly dangerous.
:( I wish I could just say I waited until my mid 30s to get married because I was smart, but really it just took that long to find the right woman (it would have been fun to have 'evaluated' more along the way, but that wasn't in the cards for me I guess). I guess that's another reason I won't act like an ass and screw it up, it took too long already to find her.
I've been thinking about Omar all day [while I should have been thinking about modal auxilliaries and gerunds , by the way]. I think that Omar is in the middle of a LARGE economy-sized midlife crisis. You know, some guys go out and buy a candy apple red Jaguar and others fall into a trap set by the first attractive female who crosses their path. Omar should have looked for the nearest dealership. Big Loser. I hope his little OLD soldier goes on furlow for awhile. ..that would serve him right.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 3:12:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 3:12:00 PM EDT
And about marriage and age, Hub and I met in high school , and after maaaany years together...he's still my boyfriend. A friend of my daughter once told her, ''Your mom and dad don't look at each other like they're married.'' When we go to our high school reunions, I notice that many couples who dated in high school are still together. On the other hand, , our daughters both married guys who are 10 years older than they are...that was a big surprise for me....We'll see what happens there. I guess a lot depends on the people and what happens to them along the way as to which marriages last and which don't.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 3:19:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 3:19:00 PM EDT
Gawd Susanlynn...you should be a standup comedienne. You have a way of creating hysterically funny material out of anything that passes through your mind.
Thanks for sharing, crazy lady!
Thanks for sharing, crazy lady!
And Susanlynn...glad you are so blessed. If you could bottle it and sell it, you'd have more money than you'd know what to do with!
Hope your daughters find the same happiness in their marriages. Growing up in a happy home is always a good start.
Hope your daughters find the same happiness in their marriages. Growing up in a happy home is always a good start.
Thanks for the recap! What a lot of bad stuff going on!!!!! Omar is a total jerk...not using his brain of course!!
We have some good friends who had something like this happen years ago..when she took him back she told me that she loves him but doesn't need him. He knows it and they have been happy ever since!!!
Can't wait to see what other anvils fall tonight!!!
We have some good friends who had something like this happen years ago..when she took him back she told me that she loves him but doesn't need him. He knows it and they have been happy ever since!!!
Can't wait to see what other anvils fall tonight!!!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 4:27:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 4:27:00 PM EDT
Oh, I missed the scene with Ickturo and the sombreros.
Seriously? He thinks he's going to get rich selling those things in Japan?? Hmm.
Seriously? He thinks he's going to get rich selling those things in Japan?? Hmm.
becky t......well there ya' go...these forgiveness/reconciliation things do work sometimes. Good to know.
Julie...yes, it was a great scene with Ickturo and his mamacita. Boxes all over the place obscuring Catalina's lovely decor, and Señor Grandiosity once again happily dreaming of the millions he's going to make.
Julie...yes, it was a great scene with Ickturo and his mamacita. Boxes all over the place obscuring Catalina's lovely decor, and Señor Grandiosity once again happily dreaming of the millions he's going to make.
Some people like to decorate their homes by hanging hats all over the walls.
Just a suggestion for Mama's tasteful decor if, for some unforeseen reason, the Japanese don't want those sombreros as much as Icky thought.
Or maybe Jacqui's pyramid-scheme cult could take those hats as a "donation." :-)
Just a suggestion for Mama's tasteful decor if, for some unforeseen reason, the Japanese don't want those sombreros as much as Icky thought.
Or maybe Jacqui's pyramid-scheme cult could take those hats as a "donation." :-)
Well, between Jacqui's hare-brained New Age cult and Arturo's hare-brained business schemes, that money they siphoned off from the Armendariz outfit should be long gone real soon.
Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
One last thought...after watching tonight's episode. Is anyone else sick of hearing "perdoname, perdoname" all the time?
I could tolerate it better if they simply said, I've done terrible, unforgivable things....how can I make amends?
They must have 12-step programs in Mexico so the process of making amends (other than in the goofy spiritual scam that Jackie's part of) has to have some currency. And one really has to right to ask forgiveness that's for the victim to give or withhold, depending on how long they want to suffer and resent...but one can ask how to make things right...or better, at least.
I could tolerate it better if they simply said, I've done terrible, unforgivable things....how can I make amends?
They must have 12-step programs in Mexico so the process of making amends (other than in the goofy spiritual scam that Jackie's part of) has to have some currency. And one really has to right to ask forgiveness that's for the victim to give or withhold, depending on how long they want to suffer and resent...but one can ask how to make things right...or better, at least.
I couldn't agree more Judy. Better yet, how about the perp putting some actual thought into it and suggesting ways to make amends? Hmmmmph!
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