Thursday, March 26, 2009

Tontas No Van - Wed. March 25 - Macho, macho man....I've got to be a macho man...

My alternative was....Bottle of red.....bottle of white....whatever kind of mood you're in tonight....

I don't know, songs came to my head tonight. First I owe you all an apology for my delay in posting last week. I ended up super busy with work all week and part of the weekend, and well in these days, if work comes your way, you take it gleefully. I do still plan to finish last week's, and since there is no Tontas tomorrow, I'll try hard to post it then, even though it may not matter much for most people. I may take my sweet time getting around to things, but I do like to come through in the end.

So, here we are...

Pato complains about how loca Ali is.

Chayo and Lalo fight over who is deaf and who was coming. Santi and Candi are listening outside of the front door thinking they might tiptoe away when Chayo opens it and welcomes them in.


Issy asks Donato what he’s doing with her photo.

Candi and Santi are sitting on the respective halves of the room without their hosts and talk about how things are going. He said he didn’t know she would be there or he wouldn’t have come except that he is very confused and he was wrong. He thinks it’s horrible though that she told his daughters she’s not his girlfriend.


She retorts that she is going to stop telling lies, so he can stop calling her Madam Liar. Santi tells her he dreamed that she married him and tells her she should send Pato off the deep end. She says Pat says the same about him. He suggests they flip for whether she marries him or Pato. She says that’s not how things should be done, one doesn‘t decide one‘s life with a coin toss. She calls him Macho and makes a comment about men being all the same give or take a few centimeters. Santi of course thinks she's shallow for suggesting something like that because he's thinking with "that" brain, you know, but she clarifies she meant height!

He continues with this idea insisting the truth lies with the toss. Eventually she agrees that if it’s the eagle she’ll stay with Pato, but if it’s the sun she’ll go with him. They are using a ten peso coin, and it turns out to be a sun, but she shields it from his view. She says she’ll only show him when she wants to decide her life with a coin toss. He teases her that it must have been the sun in that case. I swear her underwear is showing from those super low hipsters she’s got on.


Just then the War of the Roses returns fighting about having to spend all the last five or so Mother’s days with HIS Ma, he explains because she is a better cook than hers and Chayo says well he can marry Candi’s uncle then once they get a divorce, because he‘s a good cook. Why aren’t these two divorced yet? I mean, when folks want they can seem to be divorced in a matter of hours. Or never married in the first place….

Issy and Donato fight about the picture, him fumbling over having found it and forgetting to give it back to her and her saying it’s been missing for two years, now. She wonders why, if he kept it so long in his vest pocket he never cleaned the vest, found and gave it back.

Candi and Doc try to silence the feud and decide they are going to play Dr. Phil and sit Chayo and Lalo down Concentration style to listen to each other rather than talk at each other the whole time. Of course male assists male, and female sticks up for female. They start with Chayo who says Laloe started out ok but turned into a beast. Lalo says yeah, but she liked the beast every night. She starts kicking him under the table that is separating them. I swear the actors are trying like hell here to not crack up. For someone mad enough to kick a guy she sure has a smiley smirk on her face. This therapy session ends up degrading, her wondering why he never shared his salary and that he only “fulfilled” his duties once a month, oh and that he‘s macho. This lack of manly attention shocks the enablers.

Issy tells Jaime about Donato and her picture. Jaime tells her he thinks Donato is in love with her. She doesn’t agree at first , but he says anyone who meets her would fall in love with her and they talk silly voices and get excited about going to bed.

Candi and Santi have started drinking wine and pretty much staying out of the fire. Chayo and Lalo break from the yelling fest only to slog down some wine. Ladies with white, men with red.

Issy consoles Jaime on his apparent inability to, you know. Guess his fear was realized. He says this was the first time it happened to him. She begs God for patience with macho anxiety.

Candi and Santi leave the pair still yelling at each other. Once outside the door Candi gets the call that something happened to Meno.


They get to the hospital to learn that Tio Meno just had a bout with high blood pressure. They know it’s because he hasn’t been taking his medicine the way he should. He says he just hurts over his son. They give hugs.


The next day at breakfast Issy yells at Jaime and tells him she’s not a young chick any more, she’s a mature woman, and she didn’t get married only to have a piece of meat. There are all kinds of other reasons she is with a man. She yells at him for being macho, thinking if that one part is no good the whole relationship is worthless. She asks if he wants breakfast or if she has to wait for the macho to go and hunt and bring her back a buffalo. He says everything sounds unappetizing to him now, so he's not sure about breakfast. I'd like to see him try to hunt and bring home a buffalo. That would be interesting....in Guadalajara...

Santi is wearing a yellow cow spot shirt, when he gets a call from Marissa beckoning him to therapy with Barb. He agrees.

Candi and Sole are discussing that Beto wanted Sole to be the girlfriend of Santi and that Chava did the same to Candi. Lulu brings them their salaries in an envelope and Candi swears she’ll save it for the building and live only off the magazine money.

Ma & Pa are in therapy which doesn’t go well and gets worse when Barb asks Santi if he’s sure it’s his baby. Like a macho he gets offended that maybe she thinks he’s not capable(of producing that which a baby needs to form). He walks out eventually in a huff. Barb gets mad and doesn’t like this whole concept and I think wants out of therapizing them. Mari is offended that she’s more concerned about professionalism and threatens that Barb will need Mari one day.

Grego is taking care of Meno who has made it home at this point. They argue about whether they are of the same age, she thinks not, he’s much older, but he says she’ll grow three wrinkles on her forehead and will end up his age. She leaves and he utters something about her being sort of a pain but that she makes good tea, he thinks.

Ali is still keeping up with this charade that she wants a baby and Pato’s Ma is impressed at the baby room. She thinks Pato should see it, so Ali calls him at work, but he was just kissy facing with Candy. He says he’ll come, but after, as he’s the coach so has to go to the match with his kids. Pato will be in charge of the strategy at the game he told Candi on the phone.

Jaime invites Don to have a whiskey with him to talk about his wife. He asks him straight out if he’s in love with his wife.


Santi goes to hospital, still in his banana holstein shirt to get the HIV results for Lu. He gets into the car and opens them. He makes a very emotional, but non-emotionally descript face. In other words, we don’t know which way they went.

Pato and Candi are making kissy faces and discussing the kids. Santi rolls up probably to talk about the results and sees them making out and decides he’d best move along. We still don’t know the results.

At the game Pato gives Chava huge hugs. Later whiny Sole interrupts that Beto made a goal too. Pato looks at her with a funky eye and gives Beto encouragement too.


Santi encourages Lu to look at the results. Lu is negative. She’s all happy until Santi tells her now she’ll just have to test again in 3 months and probably she’ll still be negative. You know I wondered about this, it does take time so you might not know that soon. Anyway, of course she freaks out and thinks she’s being punished by the Universeand wonders how she could be such a bad person.

Sole complains that Pato pays more attention to Chava than Beto. Ah jeez here we go again. Candi tells her that’s nonsense, and just watch him he loves them both. They laugh and Sole shakes off that double personality evil half for a little while.

Donato laughs off Jaime’s suggestion of unrequited love. Things get serious. Jaime says look, you wouldn’t have that picture for two years for the hell of it so what gives. Donato is p***d Jaime suggested he’s lying.

Donato says he’s not in love just grateful for some help. He says he was in prison for three years for something he never did. After, no one would give him work, he remembers the pain of going hungry. Issy gave him work when no one else would and for that and saving his life he carries her close to his heart always for appreciation. Jaime wants to know what he was in for. Donato won’t say except that he wouldn’t even kill an ant, so he‘s not dangerous. He says to keep this a secret in front of his girlfriend. Jaime is perplexed and doesn’t believe that Tina is the girlfriend. Donato bets him he’ll get a kiss.

Back at the field, Beto asks the dreaded, who do you love more question, me or Chava. Pato asks him what he likes more, Strawberries and Cream or Chocolate with ice cream…..both Beto says and won't choose. Pato’s point is made for him. He loves them both the same and couldn’t choose, they are both his campeons.


Lu is still freaking out about not really knowing for sure that she is in the clear and Abue and Santi still are trying damage control for Santi telling the truth about how these tests go. Candi calls to find out the results and he tells her fine, and he’ll come over later to talk to her.

Sole’s other personality appears again briefly and she and Pato have the "you love him more" talk. Of course he denies it for either and tries to tell her to cheer up. What a crappy situation.

Don bribes Tina with a little dinero to kiss him. She does and thanks him for the money, we think. Jaime apologizes for doubting and pays up. Tina returns the money and says she doesn’t want his kiss and gives him another kiss. He smiles and tastes it.

Chayo and Lalo are still arguing over how much he makes, she thinks he won’t tell so she won't learn how much he spent on his lovers. There is a maid there who clearly has a “closer” relationship with Lalo than Chayo and she agrees not to answer Chayo's question of how much she is paid, for her work here, not any "extras". Lalo and maid are calling each other little deers. Estrella, this maid, repeats that the senor is not going to tell the Senora anything about his bank accounts etc. Well, behind the magazine Chayo had a tape recorder. She jumps up that she is taking that to her lawyer. Lalo is a bit impactado. And we are left for Friday.

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Wow Kris, I'm impressed. There were several scenes tonight that I only got a small bit of, and you captured the whole thing. Awesome! And the pictures too. I couldn't get a good enough look at the coin on my TV (but I assumed).

Good photo of Santi and Candy. Ever notice, even though TNs are packed full of conversations, it seems you can never get a screenshot of two faces in conversation. It's always either a super-closeup of each actor (head only, often scalped), or if you see two people, it's from a 1/4 angle so you see the back of one and front of the other (like Santi and Luc). Very uncommon to get two cara-a-cara like Candy and Santi.

Anyway, awesome job on some hard-to-follow conversations.
 

Hey Kris, I'm going to be in a disco mood all day now. That song was always fun to dance to.

Thanks for the pictures and that wonderful description of Santi's shirt..."BANANA HOLSTEIN"...Lordy, that's going to stick in my mind along with the song. A strange mix.

Chayo and Lalo are just too cute together. I can't believe they're going to get divorced. In fact I think the whole process is dragging on because they really don't want to split up. I know, I know, everybody hates the guy but I kinda like him. Don't know why. Have always been a sucker for little wiry smarta** types. I'm still hoping he'll see the light and reform....and do better by Chayo than once a month!

Good to see you back in full fighting form, amiga! Enjoyed it.
 

Kris, another great job, thanks a lot. It was good to see that Meño's sinking spell wasn't as dire as some of us thought(we know who we are, don't we Dr. Judy?).I think we'd, nevertheless, better keep a close eye on Meño's. Good news for Lucia, although Santi got it exactly right with his caution, but I suspect that she is almost certainly in the clear. It will be interesting to see what direction her romance with Charly takes. Speaking of Chuck, he needs to get his butt in gear and get started with his treatment. I thought that Candy had a cute line saying that all men are the same, give or take a few centimeters.

Carlos
 

Meño''s health, that is.

Carlos
 

Thanks Kris! I couldn't see the result of the coin toss either, so thanks for the close up.

I'm glad work let up enough for you to finish the recap, I always enjoy your unique way of skewering the action. Good call on Chayo's smirk; I can't believe you were able to capture it! Nice job.

So is the honeymoon over for Isa and Jaime? Will this give Donato a chance to insert himself into the picture? Or is he now becoming interested in Tina?

I'm glad they are portraying Lucia's situation realistically, that she's not suddenly free and clear. But Charly needs to listen to our own Dr. Carlos...when will he get cracking with his treatment?

I'm a little confused about Chayo and Lalo, how does recording their conversation help her out with a divorce? If she'd filed for divorce hadn't she already told her lawyer that Lalo wouldn't reveal his salary? Maybe it was a her word against his sort of thing?
 

Kris: Thank you for the detailed recap. Your pictures made everything cone to life and meshed perfectly with your summary. Please don’t ever apologize for letting real life delay a recap. We appreciate all the hard work and efforts it takes to put these together. Any of us given the chance of work or extra work must grab onto it as fast as we can!

You cleared up things I missed or just simply didn’t understand. I had absolutely no idea why Lucia went into her tailspin after being told her results were negative. Of course, retesting. Kudos to the writers for treating the situation so realistically.

I hadn’t realized Donato was in jail. Did I miss that? Enjoyed his interplay with Jaime and his quick-thinking cover up. I believe it was Carlos who said he wasn’t on board with Jaime initially but is liking him more now. Me too.

Thanks to Judy who is kindly posting this for me. Not being able to post is similar to listening to a fascinating conversation but being unable to speak. Diana in MA
 

Kris, Thanks for the colorful recap. I will read it later in detail but think your title is awesome.
 

I now have "Macho Man" stuck in my head. Ha ha, that will keep me perky all day. Especially considering the people I work with.

I thought Candy's line "all men are the same, give or take a few centimeters" (um, not like she'd know personally) was really funny, but at the same time I'm fed up with that attitude of hers. Obviously Santi is much more than a sexist pig, and Pato is at least trying to reform, and her uncle is about the farthest thing from it, so why does she keep spewing that venom?

Thanks for the fun recap.
 

Thanks, Kris, excellent recap, and the title says it all. The funny thing is that women (like most of the ones on this show) complain if men are too macho, but they might also complain if men are too wimpy. So we guys have to walk a fine line. Of course, so do the ladies. You want to be sexy, but not toooo sexy so as to appear "cheap".

I feel sorry for Donato to have been in jail for 3 years for a crime he didn't commit. Maybe he'd have some kind of lawsuit in the U.S., but things may be different in Mexico.

Speaking of which, in our country, of course Chayo would know how much money her husband made, as long as they filed joint tax returns. She could read it before signing it.

And the little envelope of cash for the salary also shows how different things are in other countries. It's fascinating to see all these cultural differences (although many things, such as cellphones, laptops, etc., are very similar.
 

Hey thanks for your comments. I actually corrected some errors and cleared up some vague sentences. I am so not a first draft kind of gal.

I added to the part about the centimeters with a little extra dialog as you reminded me I didn't put that in there. There are quite a number of conversations that were more detailed, but time prevents me mostly from typing them!!

Regarding Donato and his time in the brink...I'm not so sure that isn't more than a fib to get Jaime off his trail, I mean, arguably it's a dangerous fib, but that is what would make it more believable, like, why would you tell someone something bad about yourself unless it were true, right? Anyway, I think it may not be.

I'm thinking only that the recording is helpful in that in Lalo's own voice he is admiting to being less than forthcoming, and suggests he's even in cahoots with another woman (maid voice is also on there) all this just lends tangible evidence of Chayo's complaints that Lalo is not honest and is hiding stuff from her, be it girls or money or what have you, and this makes anything he says less credible, something a judge would certainly consider when evaluating who should get what in a divorce proceeding.
 

Forgot to say...I love your alternate title as well, Kris. It's a keeper.
 

Oh and not that we would analyze this with any sort of reference to reality, but recall that Chayo never worked until very recently, so presumably any equivalent Mexican tax stuff could have been done only by Lalo and Chayo may not ever need to see it.

Even here, you know, it's possible that if the wife doesn't work, and has no income, she is not obligated to file a return, jointly or separately, and a husband can file for himself without her ever having to sign anything of his, and accordingly not knowing anything about his income.
 

Breaking news. One of the morning shows (NXclusiva) says Camil has agreed to do a novela in Argentina for 'Guero' Castro (no lo conozco). Right after Tontas he said, "I believe I won't do TV for at least five years. At least not in Mexico." Do we hear a bit of bit of disillusionment with Televisa? Twice since then, I've heard him say he'd like to work in Colombia. I guess Arg. came knocking.

I haven't heard collateral confirmation, but NXclusiva seems more reputable than some.
 

Thank you Kris!
I agree Julia, why does Candy keep spewing the venom? It gets both annoying and boring.
Good news Paula, he might do another telenovela? I wonder if we will be able to see it in the US?
I think Chayo and Lalo are cute. It's obvious they still care about each other. If only he could be faithful.
I always liked the Village People's Macho Man.
Now I can't get it out of my head. Ha.

Carrie L.
 

Great recap Kris! I want to warm up to Lalo, but he still needs to do more for me to forgive him.

Poor Meño, he is the best in this story and everything happens to him.

I like Candy and Santi together, but not as much as Candy and Patricio (I think I'm the only one here), the coin was a bit absurd, but it didn't annoy me much, by the way, that was a Ten Pesos coin.

Just to share a story, my mom also didn't know how much money my father made at work, it wasn't until I started working with him in the same company that one day I went to get our envelopes (He had given his consent for that) and I saw how much he made and told later to my mom, two months ago I had a tax discount in my salary that didn't made sense so I was complaining to my mom about it we got to talk about my dad's salary and she had already forgotten how much he makes. Most women here don't care how much their husband makes at work as long as they provide for them. It's just something that they feel doesn't concern them. Times are changing though, so maybe in ten years that won't be the case.

Jarocha
 

Jarocha, I will say this. Pat absolutely handles Candy better than Santi does. Santi lets her lead him around by the nose. She asserts the most absurd positions and he just smiles and nods. Pat pulls her up short and won't take her crap. If this were the real world, not telenovelaland, and Santi married her, then when the starry-eyed phase passed (some time in Year 2) he would become one miserable hombre.
 

Jarocha, could you please e-mail me, paulah88@hotmail.com ? There is about 10 seconds of a YouTube clip in Spanish that I can't understand, regarding Camil falling sick during his "Aventura por Mexico" show. I understand everything except his condition. Thanks.
 

Oh and Paula H. Jose Alberto "el güero" Castro is a mexican producer, part of what could be called the Castro dinasty, since most of them have had great careers in the entertaiment business: Arturo, Jorge y Javier Castro (singers), Gualberto Castro (singer, songwriter and composer), Arturo "El bigotón" Castro and Benito Castro (comedians), Veronica Castro and Daniela Castro (actresses), Cristián Castro (singer and songwriter), Luis Fernando Castro (producer) etc.

His first co-production when he was very young was "Los Ricos Tambien LLoran", he made one of my favorite novela de época "Pueblo Chico, Infierno Grande" with his sister Veronica Castro, he also made the last remake of "Rubí" with Bárbara Mori and Eduardo Santamarina, he also made "Ángela" with his then wife Angelica Rivera, and that is my second favorite role of hers after "La Dueña" (just for pure gossip they were together about twelve years and have three daughters together)·

Jarocha
 

Paula I'll check the video and send you the mail, don't worry.

Jarocha
 

Already send it.

Jarocha
 

It's attributed to exhaustion.
 

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