Caray, Caray!

Thank you for the recap, Jardinera. With my schedule, I didn't even bother to record this because there'll be no time to watch. I appreciate your labors.

Question . . . Didn't Erik see Chucho at the hit & run? He saw 'a witness.' So wouldn't he recognize Chucho? Maybe my telenovela beanie hat is too tight. Or too loose.
~sighs~
 

Jardineria, "Material sis," and "casa de locos and lobos," short and sweet descriptions of the cast of characters in Sortilegio....thanks for your time and clever take on the episode.

Roberto knows that Mario Aguirre is a fake name used by his Mexitrash friends to hurt MJ and Paula, so what do we think he will do with this information? He had an "impactada" look on his face as he listened to Raquel blabber on. "Ghosts" as Filipa called Mario, don't make hotel reservations. Roberto, you have answers to some of the Sorti mysteries, this is your chance to leave the low road you've been traveling on and climb up on the high road, you'll be happier in the long run, trust me!

"Nothing's cold as ashes".....MJ, the novio of your dreams (and everyone else's dreams) is giving you the cold, cold shoulder, wonder why?
 

Thanks, Jardinera, for another excellent recap. I'm there with Doris about Chucho seeing the "victim" from the hit & run. When do we see that come together?
"Bobo says he’s not gay. (He apparently likes a little tuttie with his fruity from time to time, though.)" Heh. Good I wasn't trying to drink anything when I read that.
La Paloma
 

Doris,

Erik saw Chucho, and Chucho saw the "dead man" get up and run away. When Chucho got home, he saw the "hit and run" car in the driveway of the "house of many (bad)colors", (the colors in Dolly's coat..... perfect in comparison!). Chucho never stops talking, why isn't he putting 2 +2 together?? Major beanie adjustment!
 

I believe someone mention before about a lot of people in Mexico being superstitious. So i think right now Chucho is still unsure about what saw that night. Remember he also told Pedro about the dead guy getting up and running away too.
 

Wow. Lots of typos this time. I just finished correcting them, so I'm sorry if it screwed up the reading. They're fixed now.
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The stunt man told Bruno about there being a witness, and Bruno told Erick then, but so far nobody knows who that witness is. Chucho saw the "hit and run" car from the accident but hasn't thought it through yet or at least hasn't said anything about it. Bruno ran with the "witness" thing and made up the part about the witness wanting a bribe to be quiet in order to force Mary Jo into going to that hotel so he could have Erick in place to use his cell phone to snap incriminating pictures of her coming out of the hotel.
 

Yes but Chucho did say something about the dead guy getting up and running away to Pedro. That's when he and Pedro started talking about ghosts. I also thought they may have said something to Felipa about it too.
 

It's going to be interesting when Raquel finds out that she and her husband have the same lover.
 

Anon. 7:08 PM: Yeah, Chucho did say something like that to Pedro, but I don't think they mentioned it to Felipa. This one is really confusing this time.

Something else that is confusing is that there actually were two hotel reservations made, and I think they must have been made at the same "discreet" hotel, but Bruno isn't willing to let that cat out of the bag. He's lucked out and now is hiding his own reservation by letting the "Aguirre guy" get blamed for the key he gave to MJ which Zeke later found under the bed.
 

Thanks, Jardinera; your recap was so complete and so funny and intelligent as usual. It's truly a Saturday treat that I look forward to each week.

So now that Bobo knows that Mario Aguirre is an invention, what will he do with the knowledge? Will he turn to the light as some of us had thought (hoped)? His character still puzzles and intrigues me. I just get the sense we don't really know him yet.

During the scene at the police station when Paula was in full chipmunk voice hysteria, Mr. HGR was yelling at the screen, "Lock her up!" Jeez that girl hurts my ears like the house of peculiar paint hurts my eyes!

Still really like the story though. And the hope of more Levy shower scenes and the inevitable downfall of Bruto and the (I hope)awakening of Vicky keep me watching.
 

If someone makes a hotel reservation by phone HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO DID IT?
Just how does that eliminate Bruno???

Carla, better fire some writers.

And why would MJ meet Bruno in a hotel room, when he's always crawling out of the woodwork to corner her? I thought is was to meet the fake witness & Erik was to get a picture to show Alex & say it was Mario Aquirre she was meeting.
 

Vario: ITA about his mama letting Bruno off the hook that way.

As for the hotel thing, I thought what you thought, but now Raquel and Vicki say something different. Maybe because of what Paula said in the living room in front of the others about Bruno when she finally blew her cool the night before. I thought she screamed that Bruno gave MJ the key and meant to force her to sleep with him to protect Paula because that was the only way he'd agree to pay off the witness for them.
 

The night of the accident i believe Chucho was drinking but not seriously drunk. That's also a reason why he's not sure of what he saw. As for Felipa i think she came into the conversation when Pedro and Chucho were talking about ghosts and whether she believe in them or not.

Variopinta i agree it still does not mean Bruno is not involve with it. Ferdumbo has no back bone what so ever with Vicki. He knows she was jumping to the conclusion she wanted without all of the facts.

I just can't stand her. She is a egotist of the worst kind.
 

Doris: some of these scenes and their boring technical dialogue are definitely laborious to slog through, but then there are always the shower scenes to work toward.
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SandyTN/HGR: Roberto is the ugly duckling who I am beginning to hope is ready to become a beautiful black swan. We won't know till he shaves that zitty-looking fur patch off his lower lip.
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La Paloma: LOL! Snicker. Snicker.
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its really hard for me too watch this stupid soap opera except for the love sceenes im just turned off byt every character but alex and maura somewhat.
 

The fake, fake Mario went to another hotel after Alex showed up at the first. Is there another hotel reservation? I guess I answered my own question since Bruno had the key, he must have made a reservation.

I don't believe the cop is buying Erik's story. When Chucho finally wakes up, he will give the same description that Paula gave of the victim.
 

Total OT: About the "fur patch on his lower lip" As they say in Nashville, "Keith and Nicole" (Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman" go to the same Starbucks that we do and I was noticing that "Keith" has that same "fur patch" on his lower lip. He is very blond in comparison to Roberto, and has a lot of scruffy facial hair, so it looks OK on Keith, in fact he looks down right cute.

I must say it is kinda of funny when the baristas call the customer names to come get the coffees....Sandy, Jack, Keith, Nicole, Ellen, Joe, etc.!
 

I think the whole "key" part of the hotel story line is silly. Why would she need key anyway, she would just need to go and knock on the door. Now that MJ has the key, Bruno is locked out. As many times as I have met people at a hotel I've never needed a key. The writers needed the key to have something for Alex to find.
 

Thanks for the recap Jardinera. Last night Paula did take her medicine but I'm waiting for Vicki to take hers. This whole Bruno's innocent b/c of Fernono's investigation is completely ridiculous. I think she's worse than Gonzo from MEPS. And even if she doesn't think Bruno made the reservation, how does this absolve him from his constant nasty behavior, the current lawsuit, demanding the presidency, and countless other obnoxious things he has done. I'll stop my rant here.

Based on the previous, it looks like the party is over for MJ and Alex. She needs to get a clue and he needs to cool off.

I'm also hoping Bobo turns to the light and tells Alex about Mario being an invention of Maura.
 

Karen i agree with everything you said and please feel free to rant. Most of these characters are awful.

As for the key it being used to show MJ familiarity with Mario Aguirre. She keeps insisting she doesn't know him,now if she had go along with Bruno plot to get her to go the hotel.

Erick would have taken pictures of her coming out of the hotel room to prove Bruno lie. The key is still being used to imply that MJ has or would go to meet Mario Aguirre. What I wonder is and Ferdumbo should along with Alex is how the key came in her possession.
 

Karen: You are sooooo right to rant about Victoria. It's like none of the other stuff even counts anymore now that she is sure the key was meant for a tryst with the mysterious Sr. Aguirre. In her mind that somehow makes Bruno nothing more than a tantrum-throwing little boy again. That at least seems how she's treating him.
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Anon. 9:13pm -- Bruno handed the key to MJ when he told her he wouldn't pay the guy off unless she agreed to go to the hotel the next day. The Aguirre mix-up was something he took advantage of because he had no idea that Uli had hired the other man to play the role of Aguirre and to call just at the moment that he did.
 

Loved the recap jardinera --even though I didn't love the episode. Some (if not most) will probably disagree but I'm REALLY ready for MJ to learn a hard lesson for trusting everyone but her hunky hubby. Since its a telenovela, I'm positive there will be a happy ending for MJ & Alex but I think now is the time for MJ to suffer for her stupidity!! enough is enough BASTA!!!
CubsFan
 

Whoaaaa I'm late today! Great recap, Jardinera. I actually didn't see the entire episode, which is good and bad. Good because I didn't have to hear Bobo and Useless talk, bad because I just ate and read your recap. I think I need my barf bag. Totally LOL on that line:

(This is not a scene to watch on a full stomach. Next time these two are together I’ll make sure to have my barf bag close by.)

Victoria doesn't have the brain capacity to handle all the things Fernando is saying to her, so she only hears what she wants to hear. Fernando is so lost in pleasing Victoria, he doesn't make it a point to insist when things are suspcious.

Then Victoria acts like she really cares that Alex is going to be heart-broken. She'd rather have Alex be shattered than Bruno be proven guilty for all his evil schemes. Darn, she's annoying. Mi pobre, Alex. If only he knew how much we all cared for him because apparently no one in his house does. Stupid MJ, look what you've done by hiding the truth.

I love how Alex refers to Erick as the idiot or stupid. Suits him. He's just as wimpy and lame and MJ.
 

Thank you very much for your recap, Jardinera 654! I couldn't watch last night's episode and just reading the recap made me want to smack nearly all the characters. I hate to think what would have happened if I'd actually watched.

Sandy in TN wrote: As many times as I have met people at a hotel I've never needed a key. The writers needed the key to have something for Alex to find.

I completely agree with you. The only other explanation I could think of was that having a key implies you rented the room, which I'm guessing is what Bruno was counting upon. Still, if he was, then he's blown it because Vic's idiot boy toy has already established a woman didn't pick up a key. Not that I'm counting upon anyone figuring this out. Now that he's spending more time than ever with Vic, the idiot boy toy is losing brain cells by the boatload. Before if you asked him to add 2+2, he usually came up with 6. Now he comes up with 437, which is still better than Vic, though not by much.

Vic has been and continues to be a completely despicable character. Who cares that she's not as evil as Bruno is? Her being a nice person just makes her willful blindness to things going on literally right in front of her even worse. It's definitely easy to see where both Raquel and Bruno got their ability for single-minded pursuit of what he wants no matter who he has to trample, as well as his ability to deliberately ignore what doesn't fit his own agenda.

The jealousy gene, on the other hand, must come from Antonio -- certainly all three of his children inherited it, big time.

CubsFan said Some (if not most) will probably disagree but I'm REALLY ready for MJ to learn a hard lesson for trusting everyone but her hunky hubby. Since its a telenovela, I'm positive there will be a happy ending for MJ & Alex but I think now is the time for MJ to suffer for her stupidity!!

Not me, CubsFan! I am definitely with you that MJ is way overdue for a serious wakeup call. Alex may have been the one to decide they were married (though if she really didn't want to be married, MJ should have paid more attention to what was going on), but in the end, MJ ended up going along with his decision. Once she did that, her first duty is to be loyal to their relationship. Instead, she has been putting everything else first. The most frustrating thing now is to watch her "trusting" Bruno, even if she says she's doing it to keep Alex from trying to kill Bruno. MJ already knows Bruno is a first-class lying bastard who is willing to use anyone and do anything to get what he wants yet almost without exception, all MJ has done is enable him and cry about it (especially after she's caught), making her into a Vic Lite. (Hmmmm, I guess that's why Vic wants MJ out of the house, so she can be the only one enabling her precious children.)


Incog
 

Incog, I agree, agree, agree. You said it. Victoria makes me sick and so does MJ.
 

Cubsfan,Incog and Cielo De Levy i'm right on board with you about Vicki.
She's just so despicable about her illusion about how she wants everyone to perceive her.

The one who suffered the most is Alex, now saddled with authority from dear old dad to continue to support these leeches.

MJ needs to suffer and Alex like i said last night needs a cooling down period. Our baby has everything hitting him from all directions. He thought he had some
solace with MJ but she kept lying to him.

I don't blame now for being cold to her one bit.

Jardinera i knew about the key, what i'm suggesting is, is no one else is questioning how she came about getting. We've seen how she like a prisoner at the house. Since she kept lying to Alex, even now he can't believe her because she should have told him right away. As idiot Bruno walk ran away after giving her the key she should have given it to Alex as soon as he came in the door.
 

Anon: The one who suffered the most is Alex, now saddled with authority from dear old dad to continue to support these leeches

haha lol leeches is the perfect word.
 

Let me also include that Paula and Papi the inept one need to go back to their little town and learn how to act.

Paula should have known better to take driving lessons late at night and on a main busy street. Having no license real stupid, if she really wanted to learn. Should have asked Alex can she be taught to drive on his property.

Papi is just a total mess, it's no excuse for him to have MJ shoulder all responsibility for not well thought out behaviour and actions.

Now i see why it looks like the girl's mother left him.

Mother of denial, that meaning Vicki what ever will you do when you learn about Raquel affair with sleazoid Useless. Then your grandest delusion your sainted Bruno.
 

Victoria, reality check--#1 son Bruno (love that wording, Jardinera) is a good-for-nothing jerk who hates his half-brother; Raquel is characterless; Alex is deprived of your support; you're not the greatest mother. You failed as a wife to Samuel. You're controlling the mind of Fer-no-no. Damn you suck.
 

Forgot to mention that you [Victoria] disregard the voice of reason, Felipa.
 

Cielo de Levy Vicki can't handle the truth. Time and time again like a broken record she keeps asking Felipa her opinion. Felipa being the honest person she is tells her the plain bare truth.

What is Vicki response no i refuse to believe my son is like that. He hauled off and smack the crap out of MJ right in front her displaying his violent nature towards women.

Not to mention his abuse of Alex when they were growing up together.
Vicki needs constant confirmation that she is right. So when she doesn't and never will get it from Felipa, then she runs to Ferdumbo, Alex and Hernan to tell her what she wants and desperately needs to hear.

Yes Vicki you're a wonderful mother. She is a self centered bitch and all her actions have been all about her. She never once considered the consequences of having a affair with Antonio while both were married.

They certainly had condoms around that time. Most importantly when she decided to marry Antonio, she should have told the twins that Antonio was their real dad.

She even favors Bruno over his twin Raquel. I'm not sympathetic at all with Vicki. I just need a strong drink to get through her scenes. Now we see why her twins are like that.
 

LOL, it sounds like there are a lot of us on board the Vic Is Despicable bus. Does anyone know what the reaction of the Televisa audiences was to her when this aired in Mexico? If they hated her, too, I'm wondering why Carla doesn't seem to have done anything about that, since it seems like we are supposed to think she's one of the good guys and feel sorry for her when things go wrong and want her to be happy (I certainly don't. I think she should be locked up somewhere very small with only Bruno, maybe with her idiot boy toy sentenced to take care of them. That would teach the idiot boy toy a lesson and punish both Bruno and Vic).


Incog
 

Anon, the more I see of the show and the more I read everyone's comments, the more I think I can write a whole book devoted to criticizing Victoria. I love your honesty when you insult her. LOL it's like therapy for me. See Alex giving her all this respect that she doesn't deserve, then reading "She is a self centered bitch and all her actions have been all about her." What a relief it is to hear you guys.

I'm thinking I'm addicted to this show because a) William Levy (duh) and b) i love to read comments and comment back. I've been meaning to get back on track with reading literature...anyone know if there are any online book clubs where there's discussion through blogs...that would so work for me and get me into the reading spirit.
 

Incog, very good question. I wonder whether Carla knew that Alex and Felipa were the only likeable characters in this novela...I guess Bobo is okay too...three out of what is it ten characters? Well, I'm sure she knows that everyone would watch as long as William Levy is there.
 

Cielo de Levy said I wonder whether Carla knew that Alex and Felipa were the only likeable characters in this novela...I guess Bobo is okay too...three out of what is it ten characters?

ahem, you're forgetting Cuco, but even adding him into the count, the tolerable characters to despised characters ration is pathetic: Not counting Mario Aguirre, any of the new characters like Meche, Gabriel, or Oil Slick's friend with equally poor taste in clothing, or any of the secondary characters who work at Alex's company like the secretaries, I count seventeen main human characters plus Cuco. So, we have two more or less decent human characters (Alex and Felipa) and two-three that might become decent or are not really bad (Roberto, Hernan, occasionally Paula). That leaves us with a full dozen losers (MJ, Bruno, Rqauel, Pedro, Chucho, Ezequiel, Fernando, Vic, Maura and her sister, Oil Slick, and Erik). Those are pretty bad odds.

Incog
 

Jardinera, thanks for your recap and hard-hitting snarkies. I agree that your witty report has become a much-anticipated part of every Saturday. I settle down with it and a hot cuppa java, and that makes my day. :) I honestly don't know how you were able to withstand this episode, though. OMG, what utter vomitous flotsam and jetsam (just a shipwreck of inconsistant writing, unbearable characters, and torturous dialogue all 'round).

To show just how nauseated I was, y'all, I didn't even LISTEN TO THE WHOLE RECORDING, only about 5 percent of it, maybe. Here is a blow by blow of the action in my livingroom:

Intro, always love the intro... uuuuggh, FF, FF, FF... PLAY Bobo, MUTE Vicky, PLAY Bobo, PLAY Alex!... FF, Mute, Mute, MUTE... PLAY Alex!... FF, FF, FF... PLAY Cuco, FF, FF, FF, FF, FF, Mute, Mute, Mute, Mute, Mute, Mute, FF... PLAY Alex!... Stop tape and FF Raquel without even looking at the b!tch... PLAY, FF, FF, FF, FF--

So. If your name was not Alex, Bobo, or Cuco, last night you were sh!t out of luck.

And just so we are clear, Sra. Vicky, you are dead to me and nothing will ever resurrect you from that death. When you finally get your comeuppance at the hand of your #1 Son, and you WILL, I'll be throwing the biggest party this side of the Mississip, whatever that comeuppance may be. Trust. (Hopefully you'll be sitting outside of that church next to the blind guy, collecting alms for the poor. IF the guy deigns to share his sidewalk with the likes of you, that is.)

Yes, luckily for MJ, she and Alex will be happily together at the end of this troubling ride. But for now, DUMP her, Al. Dump her, and everybody else while you're at it. You're wasting your time on this Lombardo Compound of Losers. Everybody out.

Lawd, let Monday's episode be more palatable. Please.

To cheer myself up, and to remind myself that they really had a great time together making this show, I wanted to share this behind the scenes video that always makes me smile. It doesn't give anything in the story away, never fear--it's mostly stuff we've already seen. It's just FUN. Alex is just adorable. MJ is adorable, too. And Bruno is so adorable, I would take him home! (Zepeda has been hiding his charm from us.) And the coolest thing--Il Divo in the Technicolor House of Doom.

Click on my name and enjoy, mates. Happy Sunday. :)
 

Awesome, Stephe! Wow William Levy looks good in casual clothes...David is not bad either, must admit. LOL alright thanks for sharing. I'm off to bed. Hasta luego. :-)
 

Incog, I think Carla was banking on everyone's strong reactions to Vicky's crap, in that we would be furious enough to stick around just to see her go down. The old reverse psychology trick. LOL

That tolerable-to-intolerable character ratio is what has me in such a tizzy. It sucketh.

Man, I know El Bruno is an insensitive dolt, but did he have to pour those stacks of money directly onto Gabriel's injured legs? Individual bills are pretty light, but bound in stacks like that, you wouldn't want them to hit a really sore spot. Ouch.

Raquel looked like a poodle on two legs in that ruffle-bottomed white dress. No wonder Cuco was taken aback.
 

You're welcome, Cielo. I'm calling it a day as well... :)
 

I('m going to defend Victoria, just a little.
What mother wants to believe that her son is capable of all the things he has been accused of? She supports Alex in the business decisions because she knows he is better at it. It isn't as bad for Alex to suffer a broken heart as it is for Bruno to turn out to be a murderer, so she finds ways to overlook Bruno's big time flaws.

I do have a problem with the fact that she witnessed Bruno hitting MJ, which s/b unforgivable. And of course wimp Fernando, instead of telling her the way it is, tells her what she wants to hear, prolonging her delusion.
Luckily not all mothers have a son like Bruno, but all mothers are guilty of being blind to what their children do to a certain extent.

I'm still confused about the hotel deal, who did Bruno TELL MJ she was meeting, I thought it was the witness to the accident.
 

Tks, that was great Stephe
Here is another good one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFq8nTU7jAU

Stephe, how do you attach them to your name?
 

Intro, always love the intro... uuuuggh, FF, FF, FF... PLAY Bobo, MUTE Vicky, PLAY Bobo, PLAY Alex!... FF, Mute, Mute, MUTE... PLAY Alex!... FF, FF, FF... PLAY Cuco, FF, FF, FF, FF, FF, Mute, Mute, Mute, Mute, Mute, Mute, FF... PLAY Alex!... Stop tape and FF Raquel without even looking at the b!tch... PLAY, FF, FF, FF, FF--


I should take lessons on how to watch without stress!

I was sooo disgusted with this episode.

dpd
 

Stepe - Thanks for sharing the video. It made me smile too.
 

Anon 9:13pm and Jardinera I'm glad others are disgusted with Vicki's insanity.

CubsFan, Incog, Cielo, and Anon 12:17am we all agree MJ needs to learn to stop acting stupid and trust her husband who has proven himself enough times for her to trust him.

Stephe - thanks for the video.
 

”Victoria doesn't have the brain capacity to handle all the things Fernando is saying to her, so she only hears what she wants to hear.”
Vicki doesn’t have brain capacity. Period. That’s why she wears necklaces with her name or the big “V” o, ,,, so she remembers her name.

Incog – Daniela Romo was a similar enabling type mother in Carla Estrada’s “Alborada.” I think CE doesn’t want us to love Victoria.
 

Jardinera: Excellent as usual.

Stephe: Thanks for the link. It's great.

Can anyone explain how I can post my photo next to my comments?
 

pasofino
go to your profile, click on browse & you can browse the photos you have in your album, click on the one you want, save & voilá.
 

Doris, you're not at the fab Titans' game? I sacrificed and gave my ticket to my grandson, wasn't that sweet of me?

I have gotten a lot done today...up at 5:30 so I can now devote myself to a little of my "Spanish education" (tee hee, ya'll know better)

After giving this much time, I have solidified my thoughts on the Vicky vs Gonzo "Bad TN Parent of the Year Award"...drum roll...Vicky takes the "Oscar". Why, you ask? Because most of the truth was hidden from Gonzo due to one of the silliest TN plots of all time, a giant alliance formed with all the good and bad guys working secretly together in ridiculous convoluted circles and thereby, Gonzo was mostly kept in the dark on everything. Vicky, on the other hand, has gotten plenty of hints all along and in fact, is an eye witness to Bruno's sociopathic, psychopathic, narcissistic, just plain evil, behavior. Vario, I kinda agree on a mother protecting her son from a murder charge, but she was "over protecting" him back when his "crimes" were far less than murder.

Mis dos centavos...
 

SandyTn: I got up with the chickens, too! I'm an early riser, which is bad when you're also late to bed, but life's too short sometimes, right? Love your comparisons and but there were times Gonzo saw rotten behavior and tried to sweep it under the bed to avoid thinking he was a bad parent also. Vickiis supposed to be angry about the lawsuit. Wonder what she'll do now about it and what answer she will give Alex.
 

CubsFan: MJ has told Alex what she can. It's time she leaves and if the adelante for Mon. is correct she'll be out from under and won't get a chance to tell him she's pregnant. I have to feel for Alex because he's being pulled apart emotionally and he cannot trust the woman he loves. However, he may go through with the divorce and then they could start all over in the last episodio with a real boda once the truth comes out. Once she goes though, that won't necessarily mean she will be free of Bruno. He's like a bad penny and will no doubt stalk her. JMHO.
 

Pasofino: Is your recap posted to the side? I missed seeing it. I thought Ida had creamed you.

For your picture, in your profile there's a place to "edit picture". Once you've browsed, remember to upload & save it. You'll see it then if it took and you can close the page.
 

Good point Jardineria, it was tough to come to my conclusion. Yes, Gonzo did know about Camillo and tried to smooth things out legally encouraging Nanda to lie, but Vicky has had a much longer history of denial, and as I view it, is a large part of the problem.

Let's just hope that we meet neither Vicky or Gonzo at any of our PTA meetings any time soon!
 

As always, I'm awed by your recapping skills, Jardinera. Good snark and we learn some idioms along the way.

ITA in the lack of logic about the fact that a disembodied voice reserving a room in the name of Mario Aguirre means Bruno is innocent. And Vicki carries it on through to his being innocent of everything. I sure hope Bobo does something with his knowledge of FauxMario.

Being the mother of an adult son I can't completely despise Vicki as some of you do. My son and I have had our ups and downs and, while all is now really "up", I can recall grasping for excuses during the downs. I believe Vicki IS the queen of denial. She's denying what she really, truly, in her heart of hearts knows: that Alex is the good and responsible son and he doesn't have a drop of her blood. If she lets the deep down truth about Bruno come to the surface, then she risks owning responsibility for his misdeeds.

I also did not think Erick saw Chucho after the accident. I don't remember if he saw the car hit the stunt guy, but when he returned to the house, there was a significant look at the parked car. The person who knew that there was a "witness" was the stunt guy because Chucho knelt over him and saw him run away. The stunt guy then followed through on the "honor among thieves" principle and called Bruno to tell him about the guy who saw him run away.

Plus, if Chucho really saw who hit the guy who then got up and walked away, wouldn't he tell his new BFF Pedro?

I'm ready for MJ to leave. It looks like Alex is throwing her out in the avances, but then they often "pull our chains" with false avances. He could just as easily forgive her in the next scene. But the scenes in the house are getting tiresome.
 

I know Pedro's wife (MJ's mom) left him but is she also DEAD for real? I either forgot or missed something.
There is a disproportionate number of DUMBOs in this story. They should have at least one more good, intelligent person besides Alex (and doctor who isn't around that much)--I know the blondie with brother (forgot name) is good, but she is far too weak/helpless. I don't count Felipa because she is too monotone for me to listen to and because she doesn't take any action outside of encrypted comments to Vicki. She can do better than that, don't you think? Am I forgetting anyone?
 

doris said: Incog – Daniela Romo was a similar enabling type mother in Carla Estrada’s “Alborada.” I think CE doesn’t want us to love Victoria.

I didn't see all of Alborada. How did that mother end up?

Even so, I get the impression Carla Estrada does want us to feel for Vic, because of the number of people she gives us who are so willing to enable her. It seems like we are to see her as a tragic heroine who thought she had her happy ending so that she now resists understanding both that she doesn't have it now and that she never really had it to start with (because she lied to her children about their real parentage?). It also seems like we are supposed to understand that the reason Bruno and Raquel are bad is because they are children of sin. I'm not sure I buy any of these premises.

I do get that no mother wants to believe they've raised really horrible children. If Bruno and Raquel had been careful to hide any signs of their true character from Vic, I could understand her continued delusion. If Bruno and Raquel were all she had standing between her and living under a bridge, I could also understand her continued delusion. However, Alex would never let Vic live under a bridge if he could prevent it (even though I believe some time spent living under a bridge and begging for food would do Vic a lot of good), and both of her own children have been openly rude and even physically aggressive not only towards her but toward others right in front of Vic. At this point, Vic is long out of any possible excuses.


Incog
 

I forgot to add, if Vic had been presented to us as a stupid woman, then I might believe her continued delusion.

If Carla "redeemed" the mother in Alborada, I'll bet she does it here, too.


Incog
 

Cara,

Roberto is on the kinda good, kinda bad.... fence, he has enough information to blow a hole in the Mario Aguirre "ghost with a room" story line, but who knows what Sr.Bobo is going to do with the information.

You bring up Pedro's wife, is she dead or alive? Are they trying to make us think that the gal grooming a horse in her super big long plaid skirt is MJ's mom, Pedro's wife? Oh dear...this is going to be a horse pill of a story line to swallow...
 

Sandy in TN said You bring up Pedro's wife, is she dead or alive? Are they trying to make us think that the gal grooming a horse in her super big long plaid skirt is MJ's mom, Pedro's wife? Oh dear...this is going to be a horse pill of a story line to swallow...

Oh, no... you've just reminded me Oil Slick keeps asking if people are sure that MJ doesn't have any other sisters but Paula. This is starting to reek of a Mother-isn't-dead/long-lost-twin story. If the horse grooming lady isn't MJ and Paula's supposedly dead mother then I'll bet she's been taking care of a twin MJ never knew she had. If it does turn out MJ has a twin, I wonder if MJ's mother is really Paula's mother? Otherwise, wouldn't she have been around long enough for MJ to remember she had a twin, too?


Incog
 

Incog: "This is starting to reek of a Mother-isn't-dead/long-lost-twin story."

Yes, that is what I am seeing with my long range Sortilegio, telenovela vision goggles....a weird mother and worse "twin" sister, combined with a sad, lonely embarazo. Like some have posted...we'll need ALCOHOL to get us through the next few weeks.
 

Incog/SandyTn: I saw the lost twin mystery coming a mile away I think, too.
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Cara: MJ says her mom's dead. Pedro told Alex the first time they drank and talked together that his wife left him....whether that was figuratively or literally I don't know.
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Cielo: I'll take leeches. Great description of the three members of the family who hated MJ and were against her the most. Bobo's coming around, though. He is still a leech and doesn't mind telling Uli, the master leech, that he is, either, I guess. It seems to be a point of honor for these two rascals.
 

Stephe: Nice shots of the cast party! Thanks for that link!
 

Thanks Jardinera, I always enjoy your recaps. Is it just me or are the comments especially bitter tonight? Sure Vickie has her short comings but that's common in Novelas. I don't believe that Famous Carla Estrada was thinking "now let me see, how shall I cast this character so that she will be most pleasing to my English speaking American viewers. One anon (07:57) said how painful it is to watch this stupid novela. Would someone enlighten me. I don't understand why anyone would force themselves to watch something that they didn't enjoy.
I would think that when a character is cast a certain way in more than one tele it's because they play that type of character well. Not because the producers made a mistake.
 

ITA with those smelling the long-lost twin - like week-old shrimp tails in the garbage can.

My worst fear is that they will have her stand in for MJ with Alex, further ruining their relationship.

And, hope it goes without saying that this is NOT a spoiler. I have no clue what will happen next.
 

Joyce: Good point. I only struggled through one novela I couldn't stand and only because the other two choices were worse! I think perhaps those of us who are a little hard on these characters feel some traits hit a little too close to home is all. We all know people or have lived through situations that these things touch on. I don't take it too seriously, it's just a way to blow off steam IMHO. We will all stay glued to our screens no matter what we say. ; > )
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Novelera: like old shrimp tails in the garbage can? You must be part cat! LOL! You guys all can come up with the most interesting turns of phrase. Love it!
 

Joyce- I am loving this novela, love all the characters, both good and bad, because they make the novela fun and salacious, love the crazy plots (as long as they keep moving along),and last but not least, I LOVE the love scenes between the main leads. :)

-Vivi in DC
 

Variopinta, instead of putting in my personal website for an URL, I put in the link to the video. (Although I probably shouldn't, in this age of "don't click on links people give you unless your want your computer compromised!" I should probably just give the URL in my comments like everyone else, to keep you all safer. I think I will start doing it that way.

On the Mrs. Pedro speculation, I'll have to plead the 5th. I made the mistake of looking ahead too far for something else, and read something I shouldn't have, blast it.

Chucho is a bit of a dumbo, though he can't really help that, being so rurally superstitious and such. I can't help liking the fool.

I totally get Vicky's motherly delusion. I do. Most of us have been there many times, boy have we. I never wanted to believe anything my son did. It hurt, badly. But Vicky has gone totally off the deep end--she should want to not only protect Bruno, but to protect him from HIMSELF. Instead she is totally concentrating on HERSELF, and how she feels about HERSELF. *bonk, buzzer-noise* That is my problem with her. She was actually evolving, facing the terrible things about his personality, making herself take him to task for it, and taking steps to shut him down (protecting not only other people, but him from himself, a mother's ultimate love). And then she just stepped all the way back over the lamest evidence ever, because being able to coo over him and show his mommy believed him and feeling great about herself in giving Bruno support was more important than anything else. Huh.

I gave myself a really hard time for doing that same thing. I'm sure as heck going to call her on her crap too.

Yes, Joyce, a lot of bitterness, from myself I know. But that means Carla E. and Daniela Romo have done their jobs spectacularly, to get such a rise out of people. The last thing a show needs is not hitting a nerve and the audience having no reaction one way or the other, yeah? As a viewer, I'm all up in arms! Ha. As a reader/writer, I'm really happy with how these characters have been drawn. (Wish I could say the same about the plot, though. Eek.)
 

Novelera said: My worst fear is that they will have her [Sandra] stand in for MJ with Alex, further ruining their relationship. That has entered my mind, too! I've pretty much prepared myself for either this possibility, or RaMaura being able to meow her way back into Alex's bed to comfort him. Ugh.
 

Thanks guys for the enlightment about some of the snark. Glad you all realized that I wasn't just trying to be be a smart alec. That tells me that you are good sports. You are so right that even though we know this is a telenovela, it's only natural for the characters and their roles to remind us of someone or something in our own lives. We express how we feel about them accordingly. I'm sure that's why I like Vickie. She reminds me so much of my one time best friend who would have given me the shirt off of her back. We cried together so many times about the trials and tribulations of our children.

Even thoug I'm getting tired of Bruno's tricks, about the only thing that really annoys me is Paula's voice especially when she's crying.

Anyway, now I can better understand other people's reaction to the different characters.
 

Thanks, Jardinera~~ I'm late to the party. Yesterday , I went to a wedding and spent time with my own crazy relatives. [I was writing the plot to my own novela as the reception rolled on and on and the chocolate fountain flowed.] So...are we convinced that we are in for a '' Parent Trap'' remake in the upcoming weeks ? Mj's mamacita took her twin and left MJ and Paula with Pedro???? Seems odd....but then, I thought that plotline was weird when I first saw it in ''Parent Trap.'' I agree that Vicky is very similar to Dona Juana in Alborada. She protected and enabled her crazy son, too. Both came to a bad end. I think Vicky will be forgiven...but not by me. I completely agree that it is very hard for a mother to see her child as a bad person , but Vicky should have handed out some tough love early in the game. I remember that when I taught high school , I was amazed at the way some kids thought they could act. Someone , somewhere had taught them that they could say and do whatever they wanted without consequences. Those kids became their own worst enemies. It was a good lesson for me to learn before I became a mother. Vicky, wake up and smell the cafe.
 

Hey, Joyce. You go on liking Vicky and speaking up for her, and that's cool. We all have a voice here, thanks to blog mom Melinama, so long as we simply have respect for one another. That's what makes Caray a great place.
:)
 

Stephe: ITA about a well-acted part by an actor making the audience emote. Although I'm not as enthralled with this novela as I've been with some others, as long as it makes me want to come back for more, I won't complain (too much LOL!).

The lovers have committed and so it's now time for the major break up. I usually dread those, but not this time. I'm as ready for MJ to be shed of this clan of locos as she is. I can relate to how trapped she feels about now. On the other hand, Alex is right that she is not honest enough with him. She doesn't know when or where to pick her battles. I don't know if it's because she's naive or because she's weak or just not a survivor. I miss Fernanda because she had a brain and chose to fight rather than to become a victim. MJ seems to wilt at the slightest problem. (Disconnected thinking this late in the evening. Sorry.)
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Susanlynn: I miss seeing a decent mother like Gaviota's. That was a great relationship. --As for relatives, at this age I feel there are times when I guess I'm glad they all live a thousand miles away in any direction!
 

Doris: Vicki doesn’t have brain capacity. Period. That’s why she wears necklaces with her name or the big “V” o, ,,, so she remembers her name.

I know I'm late but that has got me really LOL. :-)
 

Mrs. Pedro probably left and Pedro told the girls their mom was dead. In Mrs. Pedro's defense, he is such a loser I would have left him, too.

Vicky is far worse than Gonzo b/c Gonzo didn't know about Barbara and Anibal and Artemio. He did want Fernanda to sweep Camilo's crimes under the rug but most of the stuff he was in the dark about.

Vicky sees what's going on in front of her face but chooses to blame Maria Jose for it all:

Maria Jose did not force Bruno to call Vicky a ramera at the dinner table.

Maria Jose did not force Bruno's fist to connect with MJ's face.

Maria Jose did not force Bruno to try to oust Alex from the company.

Maria Jose did not force Bruno to sue Alex for his share of the Lombardo empire.

Maria Jose did not force Bruno and Alex to get into 1.5 fistfights per episode.

I'm sure in Vicky's world it will be Maria Jose's fault that Roberto doesn't get a job and Raquel is an alcoholic shrew. Just as long as Bruno is absolved of all wrongdoing whether he did it or not is Vicky's only concern.

Ferno-no is worse than Vicky because he knows that stuff is suspicious and that Alex and Maria Jose are most likely right about Bruno but chooses to blame Maria Jose so he can gaze at Vicky from afar. I'm hoping Alex's brain cells kick in...if he's kicking down the door to Room 25 with "Mario Aguirre", why in the world is there ANOTHER room rented under Mario Aguirre's name?

All of this could have been prevented if Maria Jose would have told Alex the truth and stop looking shifty-eyed around the house. But againg I think Maria Jose doesn't think she's deserving of Alex and is subconciously messing things up so Alex will kick her and her ne'er do well family out on the streets where she feels she belongs.

---I will figure out a screenname later---
 

I will figure: Well, you've got some definite ideas worth chewing over! Interesting thought that subconsciously MJ doesn't think she's worthy and is subconsciously allowing herself to get trampled on.
 

I have been wondering why the got 2 actresses that look soooo different to play sisters. hmmmmmm?????
Sth is up.
 

Stephe, I really liked your method of watching, with all the fast forward and mute moments. I wish I could like this TN more. The Mexitrash are a scourge on society, Fernando's dull, Vicki and MJ are too delusional, etc. Someone else already pointed out the lack of appealing characters.
Levy and Cuco the dog are the most rewarding ones.

I was at a local drugstore on Saturday and saw an issue of Mira tabloid. It had a cover photo of Wm. Levy, calling him the new king of the telenovelas. I had to keep my hand firmly in my pocket, so I didn't reach out and buy it.
La Paloma
 

Interesting that you guys are still back and forth about your Vicky feelings. When I first brought up my mixed thoughts about Vicki way back, many of you wrote how she did not deserve one ounce of sympathy or understanding...
Now, 3-4 weeks later (?), you are still back and forth on Vicki. I think this intense, relentless judging of Vicki does indeed stem from many VERY CLOSE-TO-HOME, up-close and personal reactions to the way mothers parent, protect, excuse, etc. Carla is well aware how impassioned her viewers are about this issue and BOY has she gotten this set of bloggers going.... Mothers and Sons! That's why there are so many biblical and literary references to to that unique mother-son relationship.
Vicki's limbic system has never consulted her prefrontal cortex and it's not about to start now.
Anonymous 10:34- I loved your list about what Maria Jose is NOT responsible for!! Vicki has myriad examples of why to kick Bruno out....so I'm interested to see what finally will do the trick!
 

Variopinta said: I have been wondering why the got 2 actresses that look soooo different to play sisters.

I don't think the writers care that much about whether the siblings are similar looking.....Of course, how often does it end up that their parents are actually NOT who they or we thought they were! ha ha

We have to be so tolerant to get through these novelas. It's amazing to see how we are SO captivated and SO frustrated for SO many weeks on end. And we always come back for more.
I have met many Mexicans who tell me they would never watch these TNs because they are so ridiculously exaggerated in terms of character development and plot. Well, I'm not so convinced about the extent of exaggeration!
 

Joyce i think why a lot of us are down on Vicki, it's not just her mothering skills are lack of. It's her self centered attitude that's so repugnant.

Vicki has made nothing but bad choices, starting with her affair with a married man while being married herself.

Second bad choice not using no type of protection result the twins from hell.

Third then she expected her husband to forgive her affair and accept her unborn children.

Samuel her husband accepted her and the kids and took them away to London.When Vicki came back and reconnected with Felipa.

She had the nerve to say Samuel was angry, frustrated and bitter.
Like the man should just forget his wife's affair with his good friend Antonio.

Time and time again her selfish attitude has been put on display for all of to see. How many times has we seen her tell Raquel if she did not like how things were going at the house then move out with her deadbeat husband.

We have never seen her come back to Raquel later and ask for forgiveness. It's only about Bruno and her. Now I see why Bruno did not want to share Vicki motherly love with Alex.

It's kinda of sick and disgusting, then friday's episode really drove me to drink to stomach her logic that Bruno is innocent. When Ferdumbo just hinted a little that Vicki was jumping the gun she was like starting to get upset because one her yes people did not tell her what she wants to hear.


This is why some of us have a strong reaction to her character. It's has to fit her reality, when she self examines herself she'll say it's all my fault. When Bruno comes up with another scheme that's working for a moment for him.

Well it can't be Bruno, MJ and her family are lying. When Paula finally told Alex the truth about the car accident and Bruno was playing apart in it.

She can't tolerate or accept the truth about Bruno.She had the audacity to say it was different because it was Bruno. When MJ stood up for her sister and told her off saying why can't she stand up for her sister.

She won't accept anyone blaming Bruno about anything. The dumbstruck expression on Vicki face after MJ told her that hit her right where counts.

There are people who are still sympathetic with Vicki and if that's who you want to root for by all means do.

I just find very annoying, self- centered bitch and totally repugnant. Now it seems she's considering and thinking about shagging Ferdumbo.

Thank God she too old to reproduce with that idiot. I shudder to think about the brain capacity of the child if they were able to.

Also we like exchanging our different views about what novela we are watching and the characters we either love and wish we could meet. The characters we want to put in front of a firing squad pronto.

I don't know why Carla has so many villains in this novela though. They do out number the good guys.
Also the stupid characters out number the good also.
 

Jardinera, I hate to see the breakup coming, too. Grr. But I know it's a necessary part of any good fictional romance--the fight back to each other. And like you said, right now, it is TIME for a separation before we all collectively kill the two of them in our frustration. Har.

Variopinta, MJ and Paula don't look much alike, do they? And if that other actress (Anahi) had gotten the part instead of Jackie, she looks even LESS like Pau. Of course, that could play right into a possible subplot, maybe or maybe not, I'm just thinking aloud right now.

I saw a tabloid cover of Alex and Bruno, too, and I cracked up because it had plastered all over their pictures--REPUGNACIA! ODIO!!

LOL
 

Vicki's limbic system has never consulted her prefrontal cortex and it's not about to start now.

ROFL! That is just hilarious!
 

Anon: Thank God she too old to reproduce with that idiot. I shudder to think about the brain capacity of the child if they were able to.

Damn all this brain capacity stuff...too funny! :)
 

LOL just to clarify, I meant:

damn! All of this brain capacity stuff is too funny.

My punctuation seemed all wrong.
 

That Anahi looks too sexy to play Maria Jose, who is supposed to be just a simple country girl.

The real victim between Antonio's 3 children is Raquel, who gets no attention from Vicky because Vicky is either running after Bruno or lovey doveying with Alex.

When Bruno goes off, Vicky's like "Hijo, oh no!!!"

When Alex goes off, Vicky's like "Hijo, oh no!!!"

When Raquel goes off, Vicky's like "Ramera, please."

Raquel doesn't have any family who pays attention to her, her husband tells her once a week that she is repulsive to men, and her alleged best friend pimps her out to a bisexual gigolo. No wonder she has to bark to get attention.
 

Anonymous 1:32 said The real victim between Antonio's 3 children is Raquel, who gets no attention from Vicky because Vicky is either running after Bruno or lovey doveying with Alex.

This is very true. It's also one more in the ever growing list of reasons why pretty much any animal at all is a way better mother than she is.

Raquel doesn't have any family who pays attention to her, her husband tells her once a week that she is repulsive to men, and her alleged best friend pimps her out to a bisexual gigolo. No wonder she has to bark to get attention.

Again true, but the operative word there is still "bark". Still, it does seem like she asks for it. I would point out that Alex grew up in that same household and in spite of everything he's usually a nice person. Carla seems to be making a big argument for nature over nurture.


Incog
 

Time for some Monday fun, mates.

From the Desk of your Sortilegio statistician
(compliments of your faithful recappers and from comments just too funny to ignore)

ALIASES

Casa Lombardo
The Manse
Technicolor House of Doom
The House that Skittles Built
Joseph’s Technicolor Dream House
Casa de Locos y Lobos

Pleather Pants
Broodo
Brutus
The Chubster
Wile E. (Coyote, with anvils)
Rat Bastard
Mad Dog
Demon Seed (in need of an exorcist)
Burno

Erick of the Red Briefs
Erick of the Gross Saggy Underpants
Pimp Daddy E
Mr. Saturday Night Fever
Baboon Bottoms
Erick the Butt-lick
Erick of the many-colored-way-too-briefs
Double-naught Spy

Queen of Denial
Cleopatra
Mother of the Year

Roberrrtoooooo
Bobo
Boob

Pedro the Weak
Papi Pedro
Pirate Papa

FFF (Faithful Friend Fernando—not)
Fer-no-no
Ferdumbo

Blond Playboy & World Traveler Extraordinaire
The Oil Slick
Sleazoid/Sleazy
Useless

Easy or EZ

Ol’ Lice n’ Fleas

The Wonder Twins
Them Bloodsucking Twins
Hellspawn

RaMaura (Maura + ramera = ho)
Meowra
The Kardashians

Dumb and Dumber(er)

Team Mexitrash

The Simpatico Seniors
Club AARP

Lombardo Leeches


EL BRUNO’S KILL-OMETER

hands-on kills
none

hands-off kills
snake-bit guy

serious attempts
half-brother Alex
snake-bit guy’s woman

possibles
Antonio

assaults & batteries
young Alex (multiple)
MJ (multiple)
Vicky

disappearances, unknown
fake marriage judge
witnesses
fake Alex’s neighbors

frame-ups
MJ: fraud, misrepresentation, gold-digging, adultery
Paula: vehicular homicide
Alex: mental illness
Papi Pedro: drug and merchandise trafficking
 

Monday fun (continued)

COMBAT

1. The Thrilla in Manilla (Bruno & Alex in the street) “Down goes Frazier!”
2. Thrilla 2 (Ali & Frazier—er, I mean Bruno & Alex down the Stairway of Death)
3. Stop, Drop, & Roll (Bruno & Fer-no-no in the foyer)
4. You took my money, yo! (Chucho & Papi beating down bouncers in Da Club)
5. Have a fajita, Wile E. (Alex face-plants Bruno into diningroom table)
6. Rhett Butler’s got nothin’ on me (Alex – 1, hotel room door – 0)
7. Thrilla 3 (Alex feeds Bruno some Lombardo shrubbery, reffed by Zeke with a shovel)


LOVIN’
[MJ & Alex, unless otherwise specified]

1. Loss of Virginity nookie
2. Confirmation of loss of virginity nookie (sort of like how you must put an Internet password in twice)
3. Shower nookie
4. Yucatan grotto nookie
5. Congrats, you’re still el Presidente nookie (off screen)
6. Bobo & unknown heifer at party nookie (fade to black)
7. Oil Slick & Raquel after party nookie (off screen)
8. Raquel & fishnet pantyhose get more Oil Slick (off screen)
9. Raquel & Useless Role Playing interrupted by Bobo’s phone call nookie (off screen) Bobo: Were you asleep or something? Useless: I was… in the bathroom.
10. Bobo & Useless after the Only Guys Need Apply party (nowhere near the screen)
11. Synchronized swimming in the Deep nookie (oh, to be a fish in that ocean)

Thank you. That is all.
 

Well, actually, Papi WAS desperate for money and trafficking merchandise all right. El Bruno simply decided to tack on drugs too and blackmail the crap out of him.
 

Stephe- wasn't there another Alex/Bruto fight? The one in the living room (same place as the Bruto/Fernono fight) when Vicky gets hit by Bruto in the process of trying to break the boys up.

Great lists by the way! Thanks for keeping track for us. :)

Ok. Off to work now. Have a great day everyone.

-Vivi in DC
 

Happy Monday everyone. Rainy and 38 here this morning. Yuck. Loved the recap Jardinera. I haven't had a chance to read all the comments yet. I'll check back in later.
 

Vivi, I do believe the fight where Vicky got knocked out was #2, after the boys tumbled down the Stairway of Death and into the livingroom. El Bruno and his nuclear undies come to mind.
 

Stephe- I think I was mixing that time up, with the time Alex came down the stairs to the surprise of finding Bruto in the living room, after he had paid him off, rescued MJ and family, had the first rumble in the jungle, and thought Bruto had left the hose for good. I think there were some flying fists. Vicky broke it up and then took Alex aside and told him the truth about them being "real" brothers.

-Vivi in DC
 

Love your list Stephe. Bruto needs to step it up. He's behind the Barbinator for sure.
 

Stephe
Too funny

one to add to disappearances & unknown

Pedro's esposa

Probably in Mexico, many people don't like to admit they watch TN's, like we wouldn't want to admit to watching soaps. I know several Mexicans & they watch them.
I don't think the TN's are nearly as estudipas as soaps. Just think if FELS lasted 74 years, like one of the soaps. We would have all thrown ourselves down the stairway of doom.
 

Yeah, Bruno ain't hardly trying, he has a long way to go to catch up with Fernando Escandón.
 

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Ck out this site, you can see some familiar faces. Pictures are from the 80's
Eduardo Capetillo - FELS
Daniela Romo, she was gorgeous
Manuel Mijares - I think is Lucero's esposo

http://www.peopleenespanol.com/pespanol/
 

Im a bit confused I thought Fernando asked for room 14 at the hotel or the clerk said room 14 for Mario but the key that MJ had was room 12 was there two reservation one set by Bruno and the other one by Mario and they just happen to be at the same hotel?
 

Fernando could whack at least 2 a night if he was in a good mood!
 

They were different hotels. Not sure where the confusion about the hotels being the same came in. One hotel where Alex nearly found Faux Mario was a really simple hotel. The other where Bruno made the reservation was a discreet boutique hotel (a little more fancy). However, we don't know what hotel Faux Mario has moved to now that he had to leave the busted down door hotel.

-Vivi in DC
 

Thanks for the recap.

I think Maite Perroni would have looked more like the Paula actress. But it would have looked too much like CCEA. And although I still miss the Willie/Mai partnership, I think in Sorti, there's something about the Willie/Jackie thing that works. Plus I think something about the "identica" other person plot will explain why Pau & MJ are so different. Not a spoiler, I'm just guessing.

Thanks,
J.
 

Jenny, it actually took me awhile to get used to the William-Jacqueline pair too. I loved the William-Maite partnership, and I'm sure Maite is thinking--what happened with all these hot scenes when we were shooting CCEA?! LOL.
 

ViVi thats what im trying to figure out if the second hotel where Mario is staying now is the same one were bruno made the reservation other wise why would the clerk say that Mario was in room 14 even if fernando gave the wrong room number (it should have been rooom 12)or did the producers make a mistake with the number (highly unlikely i would think)
 

Cielo, it totally bugged me in CCEA that they kept JM & MC far apart throughout the whole thing. I mean what's the use of picking 2 stars with awesome chemistry and then keeping them apart for most of the telenov? I know the lovers are suppose to be apart at some point during the show but comm'n, during the whole thing! Oh well, I should get over it, huh.

J.
 

I'm so late to the party, it's almost over...but I have to say thank you for the fantastic, delish recap Comadre Jardinera!

So right on the mark, Stephe, Susanlynn, and Anon. Ditto to your comments.

The cast videos are so fun, thanks Stephe for sharing.

I'll bet that Vicky will be forgiven in the end, despite whatever else she manages to do by then. Just like Gonzo was redeemed in MEPS. I'm wondering how much of the cultural beliefs are being expressed when the parental abuses are forgiven so easily...
jb
 

Yep. Different hotels. So not a mistake on the clerk's part.

-Vivi in DC
 

Vivi in DC said They were different hotels. Not sure where the confusion about the hotels being the same came in. One hotel where Alex nearly found Faux Mario was a really simple hotel. The other where Bruno made the reservation was a discreet boutique hotel (a little more fancy).

Given the absence of brain cells to start with, added to the significant drain to working brain cells in any character now enabling Vic in any way, it should not be surprising that:
=Vic's pathetic boy toy hasn't mentioned to his supposedly best friend the name of the hotel where he made his inquiries for Vic
=Alex hasn't notice the room number where he busted down the door doesn't match the room number of the key Ezequiel found (or the hotel, but let's not make this too complicated!).

Shall we take bets on when someone puts this together?


Incog
 

That hotel thing confused me too. I think I've got it now.
 

Finding the real current hotel of Faux Mario would require Alex's assistant to call all of the hotels in the city yet again to find him. I don't think Alex will be giving her that job again, and if I was her I would throw something at him if he even suggested it! Plus, now I think Alex is fed up with the whole Mario thing, believes MJ has been lying to him about her relationship with this Mario all along, and doesn't need to find him to confirm his suspicions. Even if he found Faux Mario, it's not like the guy would deny booking the boutique hotel room if he thought it was making the job he was paid for more effective. Unless he was physically threatened by Alex and felt his life was in danger if he didn't tell the whole truth.

-Vivi in DC
 

Jenny said Cielo, it totally bugged me in CCEA that they kept JM & MC far apart throughout the whole thing. I mean what's the use of picking 2 stars with awesome chemistry and then keeping them apart for most of the telenov?

I think the point of them having awesome chemistry is so that viewers accept the love at first sight scenario so many writers like to use, and believe that love could be strong enough to keep them wanting to be together despite all the excuses the writers invent to keep them apart for most of the novela.

However, I'm with you. I don't usually like novelas where the leads spend most of the novela apart unless there is a really good reason for it.


Incog
 

I still have a problem with the hotels.
Bruno gave MJ a key to a hotel & I think that's the one Fernando went to.
Alex went to a different hotel where faux Mario was. Why didn't he go the the hotel that MJ had a key for?
 

Variopinta
alex went to the first hotel that his secretary located Mario at in room 25. Then Mario left and went to a new hotel. Then fernando went to the hotel Bruno set up which according to the key chain had 12 on it but at the receptionist desk when fernando was checking the reservation he was told Mario had reservered room 14
 

Alex tracked Faux Mario down to the hotel-of-the-broken-door BEFORE the whole key to the boutique hotel debacle. The key (and reservation) for the boutique hotel didn't even exist then.

Bruno has no idea about the boutique hotel incident either. He's doing his Mario plot separate from Team Mexitrash and their Mario plot. I think it's the dual Mario plotting that's getting everyone confused.

Fernono is the one who should be putting 2 and 2 together and asking some questions since he knew about the results of the original hotel search, and was then put in charge of checking out this new hotel. Alex is too clouded by emotions to think straight, so his buddy should be helping him out.

-Vivi in DC
 

Sorry, meant to say Bruno has no idea about the hotel-of-the-broken-door incident.

-Vivi in DC
 

When will the Premios TV y Novelas be broadcast. I forgot and can't find the post again. Thanks. And I sure hope FELS doesn't win.

GinCA
 

I made a note on my computer
Sunday Nov 29 for TVnovela awards.
 

Anon at 1:32am the reason why Anahi did not get the MJ part being played by Jackie B. was she can't act.


They said Carla looked at her screen test and started scrambling around to replace her real quick. So Carla then got Jackie to play the MJ role.

Cielo de Levy and Jenny one of the reasons why they did not have the sex scenes in CCEA like in Sortilegio because it was shown at 4:00 in the afternoon in Mexico.

Yeah we got ripped off because if Maite and William had scenes like that CCEA like he has in Sortilegio. We would all be complaining about our tv's spontaneous combustion.


Those two having a scene like William and Jackie have now on Sortilegio i don't think any of us would recover from that.

Also the writers were terrible for the length of time they kept them apart from each other too.

I would love to see them paired up again, especially in a mature adult novela like Sortilegio to see them in scenes like that.
 

Thanks, Variopinta, appreciated.

GinCA
 

Thanks for the reminder! I will set the DVR ahead of time.
 

Lawd, no way would Marichuy and Juan Miguel have a love scene like the ones in Sorti anyway, IMHO. The character (MC) was way too pure of mind and spirit--even birds would sit on her shoulders and stuff (like Cinderella). That's why even their honeymoon night was COMPLETELY fade to black/commercial--it reinforced MC's innocent waifishness, which lasted throughout the whole show, even after she gave birth. They didn't even show her getting into the bed, or any movement after she got there.

Whenever JM and MC kissed, it was steamy hot chemistry at its finest, but man, they made sure that was all we got and I'm of a mind that it was a characterization thing.
 

...it was shown at 4:00 in the afternoon in Mexico.

Yeah, that too. :)
 

Stephe remember they did show him taking MC to bed on their wedding night but it was not anyway or comparison like him taking MJ to bed on Sortilegio.

What we saw was a sweet romantic wedding night between MC and JM. I still go back to youtube to watch their scenes together. While i like his love scenes with Jackie, it still does not move me in the way his kissing scenes were with Maite.

That's why i would to see them paired up again in a adult novela shown at 9:00.
 

As usual, my DVR cut off the previews, but my Caray friends say there might be a breakup tonight, but then again, there are many teases in previews. The truth is that I woke up a little sad. Are we in for a unhappy parting of nuestros novios, Alex and MJ, who have many faults...but LOVE EACH OTHER MUCHO? I know I have shot my mouth off about their relationship, but honestly, I'm not ready to see them part ways...If they do I'll be the first to cry......
 

Vivi--I DID miss another fight in the livingroom! It was in capitulo 20, after the first two knockdowns (which were right around 15 and 16). I think the reason it blended into the backdrop is because there weren't really any punches thrown. Al dragged Bruno out from behind the piano in the livingroom (I told you I didn't want you in my house!), they went to the ground and wrestled around (Al got a few body shots in, but that was all before they were broken up), and there were no bruises or blood. Then Vicky took Al upstairs and told him Bruno was his hell-blood. And Al promptly went out and got plastered.

Thanks for the tip, so I could check it out and correct the list! (Vicky got knocked out before that, though, during the Stairway of Death tumble.)

COMBAT list updated.

1. The Thrilla in Manilla (Bruno & Alex in the street) “Down goes Frazier!”
2. Thrilla 2 (Ali & Frazier—er, I mean Bruno & Alex down the Stairway of Death, Vicky gets her block knocked off)
3. Stop, Drop, & Roll 1: Get off that piano and get the hell out of my house! (Alex & Bruno wrestle on hardwood)
4. Stop, Drop, & Roll 2: Oh no you didn’t hit a woman! (Bruno & Fer-no-no in the foyer)
5. You took my money, yo! (Chucho & Papi beating down bouncers in Da Club)
6. Have a fajita, Wile E. (Alex face-plants Bruno into diningroom table)
7. Rhett Butler’s got nothin’ on me (Alex – 1, hotel room door – 0)
8. Thrilla 3 (Alex feeds Bruno some Lombardo shrubbery, reffed by Zeke with a shovel)

Fin.
 

I remember, Anon 5:24! :) JM laid MC on the bed, got comfy on her, and then--commercial break. Grrr. LOL Back from commercial, we're all under the covers and the fun is over. LOL!

I agree with you. I would like to see Levy and Perroni after 9 PM too. Could be interesting.
 

I thought I was the only one that watched JM & MC reruns on youtube. Those "innocent" love scenes between them were very believable. I think their kisses were really kisses. It was so hot, Levy's ears turned red. If you don't believe me, watch them again.

And if you look closely, you'll see MC biting JM's bottom lip and it did not induce laughter between the 2 of them like the "bite" between Alex & MariaJose did.

Yeah, Carla Estrada, put Willie & Mai on a 9PM timeslot. The 4PM (in Mexico) timeslot did not do them justice.

J.