Tuesday, November 03, 2009
Sortilegio #20, Monday Nov. 2: Helicopters to the Rescue; Bruno is Foiled Again
Hello everyone,
Thanks again for your patience last time, and for your encouraging comments! I'm getting this up as quick as I can so you can read it over breakfast tomorrow morning:) Let me know if I went too fast and missed anything.
Scenes from last show:
MJ at Alex are at the cenote and, after confessing their mutual adoration, they make love in the water.
Chapter 25:
Alejandro, wearing an all-white suit and looking fine, is taking off in the helicopter; MJ and his mother wave him off. He is off to get brain scans in Mexico City to prove he doesn’t have brain damage and isn’t crazy.
Back at the office after Alejandro leaves, Fernando overhears the secretary of the head of the board of directors asking to reserve the meeting room for a secret meeting of the board. Fer calls Alex to let him know of this development but, in a moment of dramatic tension (we know it because the music swells), Alex’s phone is turned off and he can’t be reached! The tension is ratcheted even higher when Fer calls Victoria and discovers she can’t be reached either - she’s in her yoga class! Fer goes over to the Lombardo compound to make sure Victoria knows about the meeting as soon as she returns.
Now the tension is almost unbearable as we see Alex being put into what looks like a CAT scan. Images of his brain scan flash on the screen. Is anything missing, we wonder? Is that his cerebellum that we don’t see, destroyed in the accident?
The directors know they have to back off the tension a bit or our blood pressure will rise just like Victoria’s. By way of a breathing space they offer a scene with Fer and Victoria after her yoga class in what seems like a convivial chat. They are together when Gilberto, head of the board of directors, calls. He tells Victoria there will be a meeting of the board that afternoon at 5pm but it’s better that Alex not be present because it’s a delicate matter relating to his mental health. Bruno arrives and confirms that there is indeed a meeting. He maintains that he called the meeting because Alex will destroy the company in his present, mad state, and the other partners are in agreement that he should be removed quickly.
Arguments follow and Bruno gives Fer a shove, which Fer returns. The sisters intervene and MariaJose, convinced that Alex is suspected of being crazy because of his inconsistent stories about how they met and married, shrieks that he was only doing it to protect Victoria from the truth about her son. She tries to tell the whole sordid story but Bruno gives her a tremendous blow that knocks her down and cuts her off. Paula rushes in to protect her sister and Bruno, manly man that he is, flings her aside as if she were a mere woman only five feet tall. Fer intervenes in his turn and he and Bruno fall to the floor fighting. There is a hilarious scene of Paula creeping away on all fours under someone’s legs to get out of the way. Vicky feels ill to see this violence once again in her household and sags gracefully. MariaJose runs to call the doctor and the others thunder out. Alone in the living room Paula gets the best line of the day: Esta es una casa de locos (this is a mad house!).
In front of the Lombardo mansion, Ulises and Robetero walk up to join Bruno, who has just left the fray and is still fuming. He is spoiling for a fight, but they talk him down and go have a drink together.
Cut to Felipa, Fer and Victoria. Felipa is admiring Fer’s muscles and saying that Bruno has always needed a good spanking. (I don’t think she is either consciously or unconsciously relating the two – that’s just the way my sentence came out.) Vicky asks to talk to MariaJose and Fer goes to find her. Alone with Victoria, Felipa asks her why she is so weak with her own children, why she doesn’t correct them. Victoria maintains that she can’t since her own behaviour was worse. Felipa points out that she has two sons who are always at each other’s throats and a hysterical daughter; it’s time to put her house in order (ponga orden!).
Bruno, Ulises and Roberto see Fer arriving in search of MariaJose. This sets Bruno to ranting and he threatens to kill Alejandro. Roberto and Ulises don’t seem to take the threat of murder seriously but do offer to help Bruno with his Alex problem. Bruno refuses to even discuss it with them because, he says, they wouldn’t have the guts (las agallas – what a great word) to do anything about it anyway. After Bruno leaves Ulises tells Roberto that if enough money were involved he would be willing to kill someone. Robert doesn’t believe him.
In the hospital in Mexico City, Fer is finally able to reach Alex and tell him about the meeting. Alex asks him to postpone it for as long as he can to give him time to get his test results and get back to Merida.
MaJo is explaining to Victoria what happened with her, Bruno and Alex. Vicki’s maternal deny-o-lator is dialed to high and she refuses to believe any of it, though significant glances from Felipa underscore what Majo is saying. It’s hard to believe that any mother could see her son punch Majo the way Bruno did and still believe in his innocence, but así es. MJ asks Victoria not to say anything to Alex or Bruno because she is afraid Alex will get mad, and she is simply afraid of Bruno. Later, Fer asks MariaJose if Victoria believed her and she says she doesn’t think so.
Victoria talks to Gilberto and tries to postpone the board meeting by alleging that her blood pressure is too high. He says she doesn’t need to be there but she insists and they agree to postpone it for two hours. When Gilberto tells Bruno about the delay, though, Bruno refuses to allow it. Victoria sends Fer to the office just to keep an eye on things and to alert them if anything untoward is happening.
Now the board meeting is taking place and the tension is mounting again. Will Alex get there in time? Will he be removed from presidency? Will Bruno take over? Fortunately, Alex has a helicopter available to whisk him from the capital back to Merida (a quick 1500 k, about 900 miles), and so we can bet he will make it on time. Phew!
We cut to the conference room where the meeting is beginning without Victoria. The board members are just about to vote on removing Alex from his position as president when Victoria arrives and asks for a complete, detailed, long-winded explanation of exactly what is going on. That should delay the meeting at least a few minutes.
At the last moment, when it seems like Victoria can’t spin out the talking anymore, Alex arrives – tum ta ta tum – and hands the test results to Hernán, who confirms that they are normal and demonstrate that Alex has not sustained a traumatic brain injury that would make him unable to lead Lombardo Construction. Alex goes to the head of the conference table and with a tremendous smirk on his face orders Bruno, “get out of the way – you’re in my place” (hazte de un lado que este es mi lugar). Alex tells the board that he gave Bruno a $500K check, which Bruno cashed, and says it was in exchange for the vice presidency. Bruno denies it, but can’t explain why he accepted the check. He skulks off, back hunched, and Alex proposes Fer as vice president now that Bruno is out. Many nods around the table and everyone agrees. How did they change their minds so quickly? What is this strange power Alex has over them?
Later in Alex’s office Fer refuses the vice presidency, saying it would be too difficult for Victoria if he were to take her son’s place.
Back at the mansion, Alex has returned and Majo runs eagerly up to the bedroom to find him. They neck, and he must somehow get her out of her contraption of a shirt because in the next scene of them together MJ is putting on a bathrobe and a semi-nude Alex is asking how she could possibly have told the truth when he told her to lie! His mother has high blood pressure – the truth could kill her! (They are very fragile down there in Merida - perhaps it’s the heat.) They lie in bed, arms crossed and obviously angry with one another. Oddly enough, he has not noticed the bruise/lump/swelling/cuts from the punch Bruno gave her, or else she has miraculous healing powers. This isn’t the first time that Bruno has belted her and Alex hasn’t noticed, which is making me think she has Road Runner-like recuperative powers. I wonder if she could get crushed under a falling anvil and still spring up with nary a mark and ready to make love.
Felipa is telling Victoria what she thinks about her children but Victoria angrily tells her to stop talking like that or she, Victoria, will get angry(er). It appears to me that Felipa’s role is kind of like the fool in Shakespeare’s plays: the only one able to tell the truth, but still always at risk of getting his head cut off. Anyway, it seems that for all Victoria’s protestations that Felipa is a member of the family, she is a servant and has to be careful what she says.
Bruno, Ulises and Roberto are together again and Bruno is complaining to them about that lying, devious Alex. He’s not sure what he’s going to do but he’s going to do something. After he leaves Ulises asks Roberto if MariaJose has any other sisters besides Paula, because he knows a woman who looks exactly like MariaJose – “es identica.” Roberto says that everyone has a double someplace, and now this is looking to me suspiciously like that tired old theme of the double. Come on, writers! Get some game on.
Later that evening Victoria waits for Bruno and, when he arrives, asks him what he thinks he is doing. She tells him that MaJo has told her everything, and they begin arguing about who Victoria loves the best: him or Alejandro. It hasn’t been the same since Alejandro came to the house all those years ago, Bruno claims. Alex stole Victoria’s affection from him, she always loved him the best, and she and her second husband, Antonio, always treated Alex better than they treated him. After trying in vain to convince Bruno that it wasn’t so Victoria finally screams that all three of them are Antonio's children – that he, Alex and Raquel all have the same father. Bruno is stunned and Victoria, whose blood pressure tops out after revealing the secret, faints.
The entire family gathers at Victoria’s bedside to make sure she’s alright. Alex tells her he’s glad she’s alright and calls her mother, upon which Bruno snarls, “she’s not your mother.” After they leave Alex and Bruno confront one another in the hallway. Bruno tells him he knows now that they all have the same father, which means, according to Bruno, that his daddy was a dog and his momma was a tramp. (Soy el hijo de un perro y una ramera). Nostrils flare as tempers rise and Alex tells his brother to shut up about their mother.
Sorry – I missed the preview of tomorrow. I predict more flaring nostrils!
Thanks again for your patience last time, and for your encouraging comments! I'm getting this up as quick as I can so you can read it over breakfast tomorrow morning:) Let me know if I went too fast and missed anything.
Scenes from last show:
MJ at Alex are at the cenote and, after confessing their mutual adoration, they make love in the water.
Chapter 25:
Alejandro, wearing an all-white suit and looking fine, is taking off in the helicopter; MJ and his mother wave him off. He is off to get brain scans in Mexico City to prove he doesn’t have brain damage and isn’t crazy.
Back at the office after Alejandro leaves, Fernando overhears the secretary of the head of the board of directors asking to reserve the meeting room for a secret meeting of the board. Fer calls Alex to let him know of this development but, in a moment of dramatic tension (we know it because the music swells), Alex’s phone is turned off and he can’t be reached! The tension is ratcheted even higher when Fer calls Victoria and discovers she can’t be reached either - she’s in her yoga class! Fer goes over to the Lombardo compound to make sure Victoria knows about the meeting as soon as she returns.
Now the tension is almost unbearable as we see Alex being put into what looks like a CAT scan. Images of his brain scan flash on the screen. Is anything missing, we wonder? Is that his cerebellum that we don’t see, destroyed in the accident?
The directors know they have to back off the tension a bit or our blood pressure will rise just like Victoria’s. By way of a breathing space they offer a scene with Fer and Victoria after her yoga class in what seems like a convivial chat. They are together when Gilberto, head of the board of directors, calls. He tells Victoria there will be a meeting of the board that afternoon at 5pm but it’s better that Alex not be present because it’s a delicate matter relating to his mental health. Bruno arrives and confirms that there is indeed a meeting. He maintains that he called the meeting because Alex will destroy the company in his present, mad state, and the other partners are in agreement that he should be removed quickly.
Arguments follow and Bruno gives Fer a shove, which Fer returns. The sisters intervene and MariaJose, convinced that Alex is suspected of being crazy because of his inconsistent stories about how they met and married, shrieks that he was only doing it to protect Victoria from the truth about her son. She tries to tell the whole sordid story but Bruno gives her a tremendous blow that knocks her down and cuts her off. Paula rushes in to protect her sister and Bruno, manly man that he is, flings her aside as if she were a mere woman only five feet tall. Fer intervenes in his turn and he and Bruno fall to the floor fighting. There is a hilarious scene of Paula creeping away on all fours under someone’s legs to get out of the way. Vicky feels ill to see this violence once again in her household and sags gracefully. MariaJose runs to call the doctor and the others thunder out. Alone in the living room Paula gets the best line of the day: Esta es una casa de locos (this is a mad house!).
In front of the Lombardo mansion, Ulises and Robetero walk up to join Bruno, who has just left the fray and is still fuming. He is spoiling for a fight, but they talk him down and go have a drink together.
Cut to Felipa, Fer and Victoria. Felipa is admiring Fer’s muscles and saying that Bruno has always needed a good spanking. (I don’t think she is either consciously or unconsciously relating the two – that’s just the way my sentence came out.) Vicky asks to talk to MariaJose and Fer goes to find her. Alone with Victoria, Felipa asks her why she is so weak with her own children, why she doesn’t correct them. Victoria maintains that she can’t since her own behaviour was worse. Felipa points out that she has two sons who are always at each other’s throats and a hysterical daughter; it’s time to put her house in order (ponga orden!).
Bruno, Ulises and Roberto see Fer arriving in search of MariaJose. This sets Bruno to ranting and he threatens to kill Alejandro. Roberto and Ulises don’t seem to take the threat of murder seriously but do offer to help Bruno with his Alex problem. Bruno refuses to even discuss it with them because, he says, they wouldn’t have the guts (las agallas – what a great word) to do anything about it anyway. After Bruno leaves Ulises tells Roberto that if enough money were involved he would be willing to kill someone. Robert doesn’t believe him.
In the hospital in Mexico City, Fer is finally able to reach Alex and tell him about the meeting. Alex asks him to postpone it for as long as he can to give him time to get his test results and get back to Merida.
MaJo is explaining to Victoria what happened with her, Bruno and Alex. Vicki’s maternal deny-o-lator is dialed to high and she refuses to believe any of it, though significant glances from Felipa underscore what Majo is saying. It’s hard to believe that any mother could see her son punch Majo the way Bruno did and still believe in his innocence, but así es. MJ asks Victoria not to say anything to Alex or Bruno because she is afraid Alex will get mad, and she is simply afraid of Bruno. Later, Fer asks MariaJose if Victoria believed her and she says she doesn’t think so.
Victoria talks to Gilberto and tries to postpone the board meeting by alleging that her blood pressure is too high. He says she doesn’t need to be there but she insists and they agree to postpone it for two hours. When Gilberto tells Bruno about the delay, though, Bruno refuses to allow it. Victoria sends Fer to the office just to keep an eye on things and to alert them if anything untoward is happening.
Now the board meeting is taking place and the tension is mounting again. Will Alex get there in time? Will he be removed from presidency? Will Bruno take over? Fortunately, Alex has a helicopter available to whisk him from the capital back to Merida (a quick 1500 k, about 900 miles), and so we can bet he will make it on time. Phew!
We cut to the conference room where the meeting is beginning without Victoria. The board members are just about to vote on removing Alex from his position as president when Victoria arrives and asks for a complete, detailed, long-winded explanation of exactly what is going on. That should delay the meeting at least a few minutes.
At the last moment, when it seems like Victoria can’t spin out the talking anymore, Alex arrives – tum ta ta tum – and hands the test results to Hernán, who confirms that they are normal and demonstrate that Alex has not sustained a traumatic brain injury that would make him unable to lead Lombardo Construction. Alex goes to the head of the conference table and with a tremendous smirk on his face orders Bruno, “get out of the way – you’re in my place” (hazte de un lado que este es mi lugar). Alex tells the board that he gave Bruno a $500K check, which Bruno cashed, and says it was in exchange for the vice presidency. Bruno denies it, but can’t explain why he accepted the check. He skulks off, back hunched, and Alex proposes Fer as vice president now that Bruno is out. Many nods around the table and everyone agrees. How did they change their minds so quickly? What is this strange power Alex has over them?
Later in Alex’s office Fer refuses the vice presidency, saying it would be too difficult for Victoria if he were to take her son’s place.
Back at the mansion, Alex has returned and Majo runs eagerly up to the bedroom to find him. They neck, and he must somehow get her out of her contraption of a shirt because in the next scene of them together MJ is putting on a bathrobe and a semi-nude Alex is asking how she could possibly have told the truth when he told her to lie! His mother has high blood pressure – the truth could kill her! (They are very fragile down there in Merida - perhaps it’s the heat.) They lie in bed, arms crossed and obviously angry with one another. Oddly enough, he has not noticed the bruise/lump/swelling/cuts from the punch Bruno gave her, or else she has miraculous healing powers. This isn’t the first time that Bruno has belted her and Alex hasn’t noticed, which is making me think she has Road Runner-like recuperative powers. I wonder if she could get crushed under a falling anvil and still spring up with nary a mark and ready to make love.
Felipa is telling Victoria what she thinks about her children but Victoria angrily tells her to stop talking like that or she, Victoria, will get angry(er). It appears to me that Felipa’s role is kind of like the fool in Shakespeare’s plays: the only one able to tell the truth, but still always at risk of getting his head cut off. Anyway, it seems that for all Victoria’s protestations that Felipa is a member of the family, she is a servant and has to be careful what she says.
Bruno, Ulises and Roberto are together again and Bruno is complaining to them about that lying, devious Alex. He’s not sure what he’s going to do but he’s going to do something. After he leaves Ulises asks Roberto if MariaJose has any other sisters besides Paula, because he knows a woman who looks exactly like MariaJose – “es identica.” Roberto says that everyone has a double someplace, and now this is looking to me suspiciously like that tired old theme of the double. Come on, writers! Get some game on.
Later that evening Victoria waits for Bruno and, when he arrives, asks him what he thinks he is doing. She tells him that MaJo has told her everything, and they begin arguing about who Victoria loves the best: him or Alejandro. It hasn’t been the same since Alejandro came to the house all those years ago, Bruno claims. Alex stole Victoria’s affection from him, she always loved him the best, and she and her second husband, Antonio, always treated Alex better than they treated him. After trying in vain to convince Bruno that it wasn’t so Victoria finally screams that all three of them are Antonio's children – that he, Alex and Raquel all have the same father. Bruno is stunned and Victoria, whose blood pressure tops out after revealing the secret, faints.
The entire family gathers at Victoria’s bedside to make sure she’s alright. Alex tells her he’s glad she’s alright and calls her mother, upon which Bruno snarls, “she’s not your mother.” After they leave Alex and Bruno confront one another in the hallway. Bruno tells him he knows now that they all have the same father, which means, according to Bruno, that his daddy was a dog and his momma was a tramp. (Soy el hijo de un perro y una ramera). Nostrils flare as tempers rise and Alex tells his brother to shut up about their mother.
Sorry – I missed the preview of tomorrow. I predict more flaring nostrils!
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Great summary Chavala -- I love your asides and especially the "maternal deny-o-lator."
Chucho comes in while Paula is telling Pedro all about how MJ spilled the beans to Vic and Bruno socked her in the face. He wants to know why they think Alex is crazy. Pedro encourages Paula and MJ to open with Chucho, saying he can be trusted. Not that I'm disagreeing, but this didn't seem to really go anywhere.
Is it just me, or when he was escorting her to see Vic, did Fernando seem to be trying to hint to MJ that she should either not talk to Vic, or retract what she said during the brawl?
I love how Felipa tells Vic she has to get over herself already, stop using one mistake she made years ago that was later all but legitimized anyway as an excuse to not do anything now and put her foot down with her kids, and that she should listen to what MJ has to say and give it due consideration.
Vic wins points for agreeing with Felipa that the slimy lawyer type called Bruno the second he got off the phone with Vic, and especially for her stalling the vote, but lost all of them and more when, in spite of seeming to agree with MJ's tearful plea not to say anything about what MJ told her to Bruno, that's nearly the first thing she did when she confronted him back at the house after his foiled coup. And speaking of that failed coup, it's been over a month since Alex's accident and his return and he's been managing the company just fine, and yet this doesn't seriously occur to any of them to point this out -- not even the doctor, who seemed to only belatedly realize how he'd allowed himself to be maneuvered into a position where his medical expertise was being used in a way he did not intend. It has already been said here that, except for Alex, the family really deserves for Bruno to get control of the company. I would argue that the board also deserves it, as much if not more.
That punch Bruno gave to MJ should have given her a real shiner by the time Alex got home, but you're right, Chavala -- no bruise!
I loved how MJ just blew off Oil Slick. Hopefully she keeps doing that.
Ezequiel is such a gossip. He told Felipa about how even though Alex and MJ seemed to be arguing when he arrived with dinner, they were nevertheless practically naked.
Bruno tells Vic he doesn't want to talk to anyone and especially not to her. He knows that she delayed the voting until Alex could arrive. She asks him not to drink, and how far he's going to go to annoy "your brother." Bruno snaps that Alex isn't his brother. She says they are brothers because they were raised in the same house together, as brothers. Then, after telling him that MJ told her everything, he wants to know if she believed MJ. Vic says that everything points to Bruno. He wants to know why she believes everyone except him.
Chucho shows up in the kitchen looking for some food right when Felipa and Ezequiel are running around with the whole Vic's fainted thing and they totally brush him off. Later he tells Pedro about it. Pedro tells him Vic has high blood pressure. Chucho thinks something scared Vic, and Pedro says the people at the big house have a lot of problems, and that's why MJ wants to leave. Chucho invites him to have a beer with him and tell all.
At the end, it sounds to me like Bruno's not telling Alex that Alex is the son of a dog and a tramp, but that HE (Bruno) is ("No fue lo que yo le dije sino lo que ella me dijo -- que tu padre fue mi padre, lo cual significa que soy hijo de un perro y una ramera!")
Incog
Chucho comes in while Paula is telling Pedro all about how MJ spilled the beans to Vic and Bruno socked her in the face. He wants to know why they think Alex is crazy. Pedro encourages Paula and MJ to open with Chucho, saying he can be trusted. Not that I'm disagreeing, but this didn't seem to really go anywhere.
Is it just me, or when he was escorting her to see Vic, did Fernando seem to be trying to hint to MJ that she should either not talk to Vic, or retract what she said during the brawl?
I love how Felipa tells Vic she has to get over herself already, stop using one mistake she made years ago that was later all but legitimized anyway as an excuse to not do anything now and put her foot down with her kids, and that she should listen to what MJ has to say and give it due consideration.
Vic wins points for agreeing with Felipa that the slimy lawyer type called Bruno the second he got off the phone with Vic, and especially for her stalling the vote, but lost all of them and more when, in spite of seeming to agree with MJ's tearful plea not to say anything about what MJ told her to Bruno, that's nearly the first thing she did when she confronted him back at the house after his foiled coup. And speaking of that failed coup, it's been over a month since Alex's accident and his return and he's been managing the company just fine, and yet this doesn't seriously occur to any of them to point this out -- not even the doctor, who seemed to only belatedly realize how he'd allowed himself to be maneuvered into a position where his medical expertise was being used in a way he did not intend. It has already been said here that, except for Alex, the family really deserves for Bruno to get control of the company. I would argue that the board also deserves it, as much if not more.
That punch Bruno gave to MJ should have given her a real shiner by the time Alex got home, but you're right, Chavala -- no bruise!
I loved how MJ just blew off Oil Slick. Hopefully she keeps doing that.
Ezequiel is such a gossip. He told Felipa about how even though Alex and MJ seemed to be arguing when he arrived with dinner, they were nevertheless practically naked.
Bruno tells Vic he doesn't want to talk to anyone and especially not to her. He knows that she delayed the voting until Alex could arrive. She asks him not to drink, and how far he's going to go to annoy "your brother." Bruno snaps that Alex isn't his brother. She says they are brothers because they were raised in the same house together, as brothers. Then, after telling him that MJ told her everything, he wants to know if she believed MJ. Vic says that everything points to Bruno. He wants to know why she believes everyone except him.
Chucho shows up in the kitchen looking for some food right when Felipa and Ezequiel are running around with the whole Vic's fainted thing and they totally brush him off. Later he tells Pedro about it. Pedro tells him Vic has high blood pressure. Chucho thinks something scared Vic, and Pedro says the people at the big house have a lot of problems, and that's why MJ wants to leave. Chucho invites him to have a beer with him and tell all.
At the end, it sounds to me like Bruno's not telling Alex that Alex is the son of a dog and a tramp, but that HE (Bruno) is ("No fue lo que yo le dije sino lo que ella me dijo -- que tu padre fue mi padre, lo cual significa que soy hijo de un perro y una ramera!")
Incog
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: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:40:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:40:00 AM EST
After the latest brawl in the foyer, it seems like Fernando tries to talk Vic out of wanting to talk to MJ, but she insists. As soon as Fernando is out the door, Vic asks Felipa what she thinks about everything, "--although I already know you're going to say something bad about Bruno."
Felipa: But how could I not? Or are you going to tell me that slap he gave MJ was a good thing?
Vic, trying to get back to Egypt: No, of course it wasn't. I'm worried about his very violent character, and that of Alex as well. The two of them are so impulsive--!
"Impulsive"??
Vic: What's happened is inconceivable, and when Alex gets back and finds out -- my God, I don't even want to think about it!
Felipa: When he gets back, you should talk to them and to Raquel as well. It's high time you put things in order in this house, don't you think?
Vic: But none of the three listens to me!
Felipa: Of course not, because you're wishy-washy about everything.
Vic: How am I wishy-washy?
Hmmmmm, that's a toughie.
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Vic to MJ: Couldn't it be that there is someone who forced you to do what you did, and since they have you under threat because of your father it occurred to you to blame Bruno??
MJ: No, no, no! The one who threatened me was Bruno!!
Felipa: (significant I-told-you-so glance at Vic)
Vic (giving up, but with very bad grace): Fine.
After MJ asks Vic not to tell Alex (because he would be furious with MJ) or Bruno (because she's afraid of him), Vic, doubt dripping from every pore, asks if MJ truly loves Alex. MJ says she does, a lot. Vic asks if Alex loves MJ. MJ replies that he says he does, and that Alex says love is something that can't be explained and sometimes appears wrong in the eyes of everyone else. (Vic's own words coming back to haunt her, perhaps?) MJ says she knows Alex was referring to her because she's not from his same social class or station, but even so, maybe it's true. After MJ leaves, Vic almost demands to know if Felipa believed MJ.
Felipa: The important thing isn't whether I believed her, but whether you did.
Vic: I asked you a question: Ddid you believe her?
Felipa (firmly): To tell the truth, yes.
And Vic looks annoyed.
(Meanwhile, out in the hall, MJ is telling Fernando she doesn't think Vic believed her at all.)
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Vic to Felipa, after the aborted coup: I was so ashamed because I saw my son's greed. I guess that all the rest of them noticed.
(Gee, you think so?)
Felipa: Well, never mind. But what do you think now about what MJ told you, that Bruno put the whole thing together and passed himself off as Alex?
Vic: They're two totally different things, Felipa! I know that my son never agreed with his father's decision to leave everything to Alex, but to go from that to imagining he dared put together that macabre plan -- I refuse to believe it!
Felipa: Why?
Vic: Because! And if you continue to insist, I'm going to get angry with you, Felipa!
Felipa: Well, if you're only looking for someone to take your side and tell you what you want to hear, then don't ask.
Vic: I didn't ask you anything!
Felipa: Ah, well I thought you wanted to know what I thought. Look, I see things from the outside, girl. But if you don't want anyone to think poorly of your cubs, well, just tell me and look (she makes a zipper motion with her hand across her mouth) -- I'll zip up and keep quiet. With your permission, I'll be in the kitchen if you need to ask me anything.
Incog
Felipa: But how could I not? Or are you going to tell me that slap he gave MJ was a good thing?
Vic, trying to get back to Egypt: No, of course it wasn't. I'm worried about his very violent character, and that of Alex as well. The two of them are so impulsive--!
"Impulsive"??
Vic: What's happened is inconceivable, and when Alex gets back and finds out -- my God, I don't even want to think about it!
Felipa: When he gets back, you should talk to them and to Raquel as well. It's high time you put things in order in this house, don't you think?
Vic: But none of the three listens to me!
Felipa: Of course not, because you're wishy-washy about everything.
Vic: How am I wishy-washy?
Hmmmmm, that's a toughie.
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Vic to MJ: Couldn't it be that there is someone who forced you to do what you did, and since they have you under threat because of your father it occurred to you to blame Bruno??
MJ: No, no, no! The one who threatened me was Bruno!!
Felipa: (significant I-told-you-so glance at Vic)
Vic (giving up, but with very bad grace): Fine.
After MJ asks Vic not to tell Alex (because he would be furious with MJ) or Bruno (because she's afraid of him), Vic, doubt dripping from every pore, asks if MJ truly loves Alex. MJ says she does, a lot. Vic asks if Alex loves MJ. MJ replies that he says he does, and that Alex says love is something that can't be explained and sometimes appears wrong in the eyes of everyone else. (Vic's own words coming back to haunt her, perhaps?) MJ says she knows Alex was referring to her because she's not from his same social class or station, but even so, maybe it's true. After MJ leaves, Vic almost demands to know if Felipa believed MJ.
Felipa: The important thing isn't whether I believed her, but whether you did.
Vic: I asked you a question: Ddid you believe her?
Felipa (firmly): To tell the truth, yes.
And Vic looks annoyed.
(Meanwhile, out in the hall, MJ is telling Fernando she doesn't think Vic believed her at all.)
==========
Vic to Felipa, after the aborted coup: I was so ashamed because I saw my son's greed. I guess that all the rest of them noticed.
(Gee, you think so?)
Felipa: Well, never mind. But what do you think now about what MJ told you, that Bruno put the whole thing together and passed himself off as Alex?
Vic: They're two totally different things, Felipa! I know that my son never agreed with his father's decision to leave everything to Alex, but to go from that to imagining he dared put together that macabre plan -- I refuse to believe it!
Felipa: Why?
Vic: Because! And if you continue to insist, I'm going to get angry with you, Felipa!
Felipa: Well, if you're only looking for someone to take your side and tell you what you want to hear, then don't ask.
Vic: I didn't ask you anything!
Felipa: Ah, well I thought you wanted to know what I thought. Look, I see things from the outside, girl. But if you don't want anyone to think poorly of your cubs, well, just tell me and look (she makes a zipper motion with her hand across her mouth) -- I'll zip up and keep quiet. With your permission, I'll be in the kitchen if you need to ask me anything.
Incog
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:47:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:47:00 AM EST
"It was not what I [Bruno] said but what she [Vicky] said--your father was my father, which means that I [Bruno] am the son of a dog and a whore!" *with the help of Incog and my trusty translator*
Hooo-weeee! Wow, Bruno really put it all on the table there. OUCH, Vic! LOL
Hooo-weeee! Wow, Bruno really put it all on the table there. OUCH, Vic! LOL
Chavala, your timing is simply perfect. How did you like your second-go-round? Your recap is much appreciated. Boy, did I get some laughs out of it, too:
Is anything missing, we wonder? Is that his cerebellum that we don’t see, destroyed in the accident?
Vicky feels ill to see this violence once again in her household and sags gracefully.
His mother has high blood pressure – the truth could kill her! (They are very fragile down there in Merida - perhaps it’s the heat.)
I wonder if she [MJ] could get crushed under a falling anvil and still spring up with nary a mark and ready to make love. LMAO!!
My goodness, only Alex Lombardo could make an all-white suit work in 2009. Yum-nummy. Poor Bruno-stooge Gilberto gave it a shot and ended up looking like some lounge singer. Al looked scared stupid in that claustrophobic machine, and I don't blame him. *shiver* But his pretty eyelashes were a m-i-l-e long.
Let's see now. A corporate board meets in secret to discuss the mental health and removal of a Head Honcho whose decision-making record up to this point is SPOTLESS, based on one person's word and no evidence, and oh yeah the accused can't be present to hear the charges. R-i-g-h-t. They are all quite willing to condemn the accused on the spot with no evidence, then do an abrupt about-face. No Bruno throwing bribe money at them, or threating them with explicit pictures of their mistresses, etc. Huh. That there is some craptastic writing, Televisa.
Lawd. I thought Bruno was a minor CEO of some division, NOT the freaking VP of the whole shebang, directly underneath Al. I mean what the hell is he b!tching for, with that kind of power, that kind of salary, and not paying any rent?? "I have nothing"? Seriously? Get outta here, you douchebag!
Umm, so, were Vicky and Fer-no-no trying to get off of our collective s#@% list by dropping the crackpipe and instinctively helping Alex last night? Wonder how long that'll last...
Did Oil Slick really say he wouldn't mind killing someone for money?? Gah. This mangy piece of MexiTrash must die. No redemption for him.
That was some great hunched over skulking away by Zapeda. ROFL Like a whipped dog. (Oh heck, what's he going to do NEXT?)
Please, noooooo. Not the High Blood Pressure Spike subplot where ANY argument or revealing of secrets causes Fainting. Ughhhh. If Vicky were truly that unstable, she would be in Intensive Care, not in bed with a cold compress. (So shut up about it, Alex!) Crap. Tastic. You don't have to worry about me plagiarizing any of this writing, Televisa.
Nando! Turn down the job if you're not the person for it or it isn't what you want, NOT because your Lady Fair might get indigestion. Be a man! (I just want to cry)
No. Not the tired old double who looks like the heroine theme. No! Crap!
Yet again, Vicky collapses to the floor and Bruno just stomps out. Oh, wait--he redeemed himself later on and pulled an Alex. "Madre!" And so now he knows The Truth. Two down, and one Bloodsucking Twin to go.
Okay, Alex. Be glad it's sweet, guilt-ridden MJ in your bed. Let me bask in our lovemaking afterglow for a minute, at least, before you start going off on me about your mother, unless you want to get cussed out. Jerk-off.
What's with NO bruise on MJ's face? And why didn't Nando or someone tell Alex about that crap? Whatever.
Thanks Incog, for the assist! Morning, mates. We were only skimming the boundaries of Novela Disbelief before, and enjoying that. We are deep in it now.
Is anything missing, we wonder? Is that his cerebellum that we don’t see, destroyed in the accident?
Vicky feels ill to see this violence once again in her household and sags gracefully.
His mother has high blood pressure – the truth could kill her! (They are very fragile down there in Merida - perhaps it’s the heat.)
I wonder if she [MJ] could get crushed under a falling anvil and still spring up with nary a mark and ready to make love. LMAO!!
My goodness, only Alex Lombardo could make an all-white suit work in 2009. Yum-nummy. Poor Bruno-stooge Gilberto gave it a shot and ended up looking like some lounge singer. Al looked scared stupid in that claustrophobic machine, and I don't blame him. *shiver* But his pretty eyelashes were a m-i-l-e long.
Let's see now. A corporate board meets in secret to discuss the mental health and removal of a Head Honcho whose decision-making record up to this point is SPOTLESS, based on one person's word and no evidence, and oh yeah the accused can't be present to hear the charges. R-i-g-h-t. They are all quite willing to condemn the accused on the spot with no evidence, then do an abrupt about-face. No Bruno throwing bribe money at them, or threating them with explicit pictures of their mistresses, etc. Huh. That there is some craptastic writing, Televisa.
Lawd. I thought Bruno was a minor CEO of some division, NOT the freaking VP of the whole shebang, directly underneath Al. I mean what the hell is he b!tching for, with that kind of power, that kind of salary, and not paying any rent?? "I have nothing"? Seriously? Get outta here, you douchebag!
Umm, so, were Vicky and Fer-no-no trying to get off of our collective s#@% list by dropping the crackpipe and instinctively helping Alex last night? Wonder how long that'll last...
Did Oil Slick really say he wouldn't mind killing someone for money?? Gah. This mangy piece of MexiTrash must die. No redemption for him.
That was some great hunched over skulking away by Zapeda. ROFL Like a whipped dog. (Oh heck, what's he going to do NEXT?)
Please, noooooo. Not the High Blood Pressure Spike subplot where ANY argument or revealing of secrets causes Fainting. Ughhhh. If Vicky were truly that unstable, she would be in Intensive Care, not in bed with a cold compress. (So shut up about it, Alex!) Crap. Tastic. You don't have to worry about me plagiarizing any of this writing, Televisa.
Nando! Turn down the job if you're not the person for it or it isn't what you want, NOT because your Lady Fair might get indigestion. Be a man! (I just want to cry)
No. Not the tired old double who looks like the heroine theme. No! Crap!
Yet again, Vicky collapses to the floor and Bruno just stomps out. Oh, wait--he redeemed himself later on and pulled an Alex. "Madre!" And so now he knows The Truth. Two down, and one Bloodsucking Twin to go.
Okay, Alex. Be glad it's sweet, guilt-ridden MJ in your bed. Let me bask in our lovemaking afterglow for a minute, at least, before you start going off on me about your mother, unless you want to get cussed out. Jerk-off.
What's with NO bruise on MJ's face? And why didn't Nando or someone tell Alex about that crap? Whatever.
Thanks Incog, for the assist! Morning, mates. We were only skimming the boundaries of Novela Disbelief before, and enjoying that. We are deep in it now.
WOW! Chava, I am so happy to see you - I wrote you yesterday and didn't hear back and feared you were gone. Meanwhile I was going to do a backup recap but I'm sick so I fell asleep instead so I missed the show. Your recap is great and thank you very much for joining the team!
Incog, do you want to recap for us? Write me at caray@mappamundi.com
stephe, I'm with you! When I read in Chava's recap that there's going to be "a girl that looks exactly like..." my stomach turned over. NOT AGAIN!!!
Incog, do you want to recap for us? Write me at caray@mappamundi.com
stephe, I'm with you! When I read in Chava's recap that there's going to be "a girl that looks exactly like..." my stomach turned over. NOT AGAIN!!!
Thanks for the recap Chavala. It was great and full of many LOL moments.
I have to ask in which novelas have we had someone who look like the heroine? I don't think I've seen one of those before.
Useless is looking like he will not be surviving the novela. At least Bruno's crazy, Useless is simply a mercenary, ick.
I have to ask in which novelas have we had someone who look like the heroine? I don't think I've seen one of those before.
Useless is looking like he will not be surviving the novela. At least Bruno's crazy, Useless is simply a mercenary, ick.
Thanks for the recap Chavala. Very funny. Did Bruno actually hit MJ with a closed fist? If so why doesn't she have a giant fat lip and a big bruise. It's amazing that two grown men can roll around on the floor punching each other out and come out of it with not a drop of blood on a pristine white shirt. Props to Paula for sticking up for her sister. I wish someone would go kung fu on Bruno's ass and get it overwith. I wanted to choke him with his own tie.
Stephe you and I think alike. Yes, Bruno did look like a whipped dog with his tail between his legs as he slunk out of the room. He is so disrespectful to his mom it makes me sick. I've always told my son that I brought him into this world and I can take him out! 8(:-)
He usually just laughs at that.
Useless the Land Shark gives me the creeps. He looks like a bad-toucher for sure.
Stephe you and I think alike. Yes, Bruno did look like a whipped dog with his tail between his legs as he slunk out of the room. He is so disrespectful to his mom it makes me sick. I've always told my son that I brought him into this world and I can take him out! 8(:-)
He usually just laughs at that.
Useless the Land Shark gives me the creeps. He looks like a bad-toucher for sure.
Chava - Great recap, fine snark, welcome to the group. And thank you for the recap. I missed this episode and didn't record it since I'd have no time to watch.
So Vicki's feel guilt makes her NOT stop the two boys from trying to kill each other, and permit Bruno's assault MJ??? That's so twisted. Vicki is an idiot, IMO, and should be having HER brain scanned for damage.
So Vicki's feel guilt makes her NOT stop the two boys from trying to kill each other, and permit Bruno's assault MJ??? That's so twisted. Vicki is an idiot, IMO, and should be having HER brain scanned for damage.
Thanks for everyone's additional summaries and details to make this complete. I found a YouTube clip of the last moment of the show, where bruno calls his daddy a dog and his momma a tramp, and he is indeed referring to himself ("I'm the son of..."). I wonder why I heard that as "you"? Maybe I'm thinking he's looking for any excuse to annoy Alex, and what he's really doing is sinking further into his own personal hell of self pity (poor me, I'm the son of a dog...). Anyhoo, I'll edit the post and thanks for catching the error!
Thanks for the recap- enjoyed the 'spring up after the anvil has fallen' comment.
Right, Novela Disbelief: Corp Board of idiots, Instant Injury Recovery, and Selective Blindness.
Our galan, Alex is smart, but it's his weakness (jealousy and insecurity of MJ's love) is what will give him the most trouble.
Vic and Fer helped Alex because they know that Bruno can't run the company, no matter how deep into the denial doo doo they're in...
jb
Right, Novela Disbelief: Corp Board of idiots, Instant Injury Recovery, and Selective Blindness.
Our galan, Alex is smart, but it's his weakness (jealousy and insecurity of MJ's love) is what will give him the most trouble.
Vic and Fer helped Alex because they know that Bruno can't run the company, no matter how deep into the denial doo doo they're in...
jb
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:03:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:03:00 AM EST
I'M SICK TO DEATH OF THE ONLY LOVEMAKING SONG ON THIS SHOW BEING REMIXED TO FIT EVERY ROMANTIC SCENE. GET NEW MUSIC PLEASE. SHOOT I'D EVEN BE GLAD IF THEY PLAYED TEMPTED TO TOUCH. ANYTHING BUT SORTILEGIO. THIS SHOW IS BECOMING TOO BORING FOR ME DESPITE THE EYE CANDY OF LEVY
veve
veve
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:04:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:04:00 AM EST
Tks so much Chavala, great recap.
And to all the others that filled in some details.
Let's forget for a moment that Bruno
is the son of a perro y ramera,
he sure looked guapo in his dark suit.
Alex, white suit; Bruno, dark suit
Eduardo, white horse; Camilo black horse.
Juan, white sombrero; Fernando, black sombrero
Those sly novela writers, so subliminal.
¡Por favor! tell us someone is NOT going to pretend to be MJ, getting it on with Useless (perfect name) for Alex's observation. I don't think I could take that!!!! My BP may cause me to faint like Victoria, however, that has never happened to me.
And to all the others that filled in some details.
Let's forget for a moment that Bruno
is the son of a perro y ramera,
he sure looked guapo in his dark suit.
Alex, white suit; Bruno, dark suit
Eduardo, white horse; Camilo black horse.
Juan, white sombrero; Fernando, black sombrero
Those sly novela writers, so subliminal.
¡Por favor! tell us someone is NOT going to pretend to be MJ, getting it on with Useless (perfect name) for Alex's observation. I don't think I could take that!!!! My BP may cause me to faint like Victoria, however, that has never happened to me.
Chavala, wow, you're great. Ditto everything Stephe said and I'll add another...the 900 mile helicopter ride! I was thinking the very same thing, imposible!
Incog, thanks for putting a microscope on the Filipe/Vic relationship. What would viewerville do without Filipe, develop ulcers I guess! She has the best face, just incredulous. We have to give Vicky credit for keeping her around!
Stephe, you were right on with your board comments. All Lombardo Construction board members need to be removed and replaced with people who can think! Nando, take the position, we need you as a spy.
La Usurpadora was the novela with twin sisters, one good, one bad. It was campy and fun with Gabriela Spanic and FC.
One last note, the writers do seem to be giving us every novela trick in the book, memory loss, etc., but we are going through each one quickly, not a 15 year manicomia commitment like in MEPS that was maddening and has ruined the career of the actress, I'm sure.
AND......the sound was better last nignt, yea!
Sandy in TN
Incog, thanks for putting a microscope on the Filipe/Vic relationship. What would viewerville do without Filipe, develop ulcers I guess! She has the best face, just incredulous. We have to give Vicky credit for keeping her around!
Stephe, you were right on with your board comments. All Lombardo Construction board members need to be removed and replaced with people who can think! Nando, take the position, we need you as a spy.
La Usurpadora was the novela with twin sisters, one good, one bad. It was campy and fun with Gabriela Spanic and FC.
One last note, the writers do seem to be giving us every novela trick in the book, memory loss, etc., but we are going through each one quickly, not a 15 year manicomia commitment like in MEPS that was maddening and has ruined the career of the actress, I'm sure.
AND......the sound was better last nignt, yea!
Sandy in TN
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:11:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:11:00 AM EST
It was interesting that both Paula and Pedro both seem to note for the first time what a crazy household they had fallen into and to begin to understand why MJ so eagerly wanted to get out. Well, it's too late now. She's fallen for Alex, and hard. And now she's more involved than ever before.
Loved Felipa's line after Zeke told her about Alex and MJ being angry at each other, but undressed in bed. "Well, they can't be THAT mad at each other then." Lol! ;-) She is a gem!
-Vivi in DC
Loved Felipa's line after Zeke told her about Alex and MJ being angry at each other, but undressed in bed. "Well, they can't be THAT mad at each other then." Lol! ;-) She is a gem!
-Vivi in DC
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:12:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:12:00 AM EST
Chavela, loved your snappy recap!! Some favs: "Nostrils flare as tempers rise"; and "I wonder if she [MJ] could get crushed under a falling anvil and still spring up with nary a mark and ready to make love."
Stephe, I thought the same thing when I saw Alex in the all-white suit! Very Miami Vice but he makes it work!! Also noticed near-perfect sulking away after his failed coup!!
CubsFan
Stephe, I thought the same thing when I saw Alex in the all-white suit! Very Miami Vice but he makes it work!! Also noticed near-perfect sulking away after his failed coup!!
CubsFan
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:17:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:17:00 AM EST
--correction: oops, left out Bruno's name as the sulker in my last comment. sorry.
Chavela, loved your snappy recap!! Some favs: "Nostrils flare as tempers rise"; and "I wonder if she [MJ] could get crushed under a falling anvil and still spring up with nary a mark and ready to make love."
Stephe, I thought the same thing when I saw Alex in the all-white suit! Very Miami Vice but he makes it work!! Also noticed BRUNO's near-perfect sulking away after his failed coup!!
CubsFan
Chavela, loved your snappy recap!! Some favs: "Nostrils flare as tempers rise"; and "I wonder if she [MJ] could get crushed under a falling anvil and still spring up with nary a mark and ready to make love."
Stephe, I thought the same thing when I saw Alex in the all-white suit! Very Miami Vice but he makes it work!! Also noticed BRUNO's near-perfect sulking away after his failed coup!!
CubsFan
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:19:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:19:00 AM EST
veve: I think you or someone else has commented on the Sortilego music before. I thought about that as my husband and I watched an old movie "The Way We Were." The song of the same title was sung by Barbra Striesand. I noticed that they used the same song over and over again, but changed up the way it was played, between slight piano keys, stringed instruments, vocals, instrumentals, full orchestra, tiny background, etc., etc. It was beautiful and emotional. I think the music problem/situation in Sorti is that they play it full on every time, drowning out the actors. If you have time, rent "The Way We Were" and see what you think!!
Sandy in TN
Sandy in TN
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:30:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:30:00 AM EST
Where to start with this episode ok Bruno slapped the taste out of MJ. It was even worse than the slap he gave her before in the bedroom. Alex did notice the first slap, but MJ lied and said she fell into the doorway or door or something like that.
Next i agree they should have gave her bruise or something for that slap. Paula crawling between MJ's legs after Bruno flung her like and rag doll was too funny.
I've been saying this for several post the Vicki and them bloodsucking twins of hers deserve Bruno to be in charge. Then we'll see how long the good times last with them all.
Now these idiot board of directors deserve him being in charge too. You expect me to believe you would have Bruno who was expelled from college spends most of day sleeping in bed. When he does do some work, he tries to build illegal housing and is willing to bribe officials to get them to pass inspection.
Meanwhile you want to throw out Alex who is above board honest with his dealings just like his father Antonio does things the right way no cutting corners. The company is thriving under him. You want to remove him because Bruno said his mental state is questionable? Not believeabkle.
Next i agree they should have gave her bruise or something for that slap. Paula crawling between MJ's legs after Bruno flung her like and rag doll was too funny.
I've been saying this for several post the Vicki and them bloodsucking twins of hers deserve Bruno to be in charge. Then we'll see how long the good times last with them all.
Now these idiot board of directors deserve him being in charge too. You expect me to believe you would have Bruno who was expelled from college spends most of day sleeping in bed. When he does do some work, he tries to build illegal housing and is willing to bribe officials to get them to pass inspection.
Meanwhile you want to throw out Alex who is above board honest with his dealings just like his father Antonio does things the right way no cutting corners. The company is thriving under him. You want to remove him because Bruno said his mental state is questionable? Not believeabkle.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:37:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:37:00 AM EST
Chavala: Loved your recap. Thanks.
I also loved Ezekiel's comment to Chucho. Ezekiel was trying to call the doctor for Vic when Chucho entered and interrupted him. Ezekiel had had enough of Chucho's nonsequitors and told him to "..comese los huraches .." (It was something like that. Sorry, I didn't record.)
And, Alex' jumping out of the helicopter was a James Bond moment for me. Actually, I could envision William Levy in that role with a deep voice and spanish accent. Me encanta.
I also loved Ezekiel's comment to Chucho. Ezekiel was trying to call the doctor for Vic when Chucho entered and interrupted him. Ezekiel had had enough of Chucho's nonsequitors and told him to "..comese los huraches .." (It was something like that. Sorry, I didn't record.)
And, Alex' jumping out of the helicopter was a James Bond moment for me. Actually, I could envision William Levy in that role with a deep voice and spanish accent. Me encanta.
Bruno woe is you porbrecito you were once a Vice president for Lombardo Construction due in part not because you deserved it but because of nepotism. Sold out your position for 500k and still life is unfair for you? You go around beating on women one of them you claim to love. Now i know why Alex doesn't even have to try hard to get women.
Victoria always already harsh in my assessment of how you raised those bloodsucking twins of yours. Last night totally confirm that you are as repulsive as they are.
You saw with your very own eyes the violence of Bruno. Hold up she saw it with Alex as a child too. Knowing her she put it down to Bruno being jealous. There is no excuse for violence against an woman period, in of discussion.
Then you try to lump Alex in with Bruno because the way they fighting each other now. Alex is an saint, he should have given Bruno a beat down that was long overdue and earned.
Then after seeing MJ get the taste slapped out of her mouth. You still want her to agree with your convoluted and delusional thinking concerning Bruno. Blame someone else? You ask Felipa her opinions and when it's not what you want to hear you get upset and angry.
Right now for me Vicki is even an greater villian than Bruno because her refusal to deal with reality and to tell the truth. Damn it if she was going to feel this guilty and ashamed of her behaviour she and Antonio should used protection.
Victoria always already harsh in my assessment of how you raised those bloodsucking twins of yours. Last night totally confirm that you are as repulsive as they are.
You saw with your very own eyes the violence of Bruno. Hold up she saw it with Alex as a child too. Knowing her she put it down to Bruno being jealous. There is no excuse for violence against an woman period, in of discussion.
Then you try to lump Alex in with Bruno because the way they fighting each other now. Alex is an saint, he should have given Bruno a beat down that was long overdue and earned.
Then after seeing MJ get the taste slapped out of her mouth. You still want her to agree with your convoluted and delusional thinking concerning Bruno. Blame someone else? You ask Felipa her opinions and when it's not what you want to hear you get upset and angry.
Right now for me Vicki is even an greater villian than Bruno because her refusal to deal with reality and to tell the truth. Damn it if she was going to feel this guilty and ashamed of her behaviour she and Antonio should used protection.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:53:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:53:00 AM EST
Chavala your line about what strange power Alex having over the board of directors. I think it's called competency and continuing the same foundation of work ethics his father Antonio had. Yes they all do need to be replaced after this failed coup.
Seeing Wily E. Bruno skulk away with his tail between his legs priceless. Witnessing his pent up frustration and hatred for Alex scary. We just all know he won't stop. Now Mexitrash Useless said he would be willing to kill if the price is right not a good combination.
Vicki once again you really didn't realize your bloodsucking twins are money hungry? She makes me want to grab her by the scruff of her neck, take to a mirror and shake an say see what you have done and cause with your denial.
Seeing Wily E. Bruno skulk away with his tail between his legs priceless. Witnessing his pent up frustration and hatred for Alex scary. We just all know he won't stop. Now Mexitrash Useless said he would be willing to kill if the price is right not a good combination.
Vicki once again you really didn't realize your bloodsucking twins are money hungry? She makes me want to grab her by the scruff of her neck, take to a mirror and shake an say see what you have done and cause with your denial.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:09:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:09:00 AM EST
Completely agree with Sandy in TN's comment "One last note, the writers do seem to be giving us every novela trick in the book, memory loss, etc., but we are going through each one quickly". I love the quick pace of Sorti.
CubsFan
CubsFan
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:26:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:26:00 AM EST
Nicely done Chavala. I like your style. I want to find things to like about Vicky, but she's certainly making it difficult. After all but calling Mary Jo a bald-faced liar, she gives her a warm motherly embrace. Give me a break.
Carlos
Carlos
For a minute there I was giving Vicky a chance, especially when she was trying to delay the meeting, right in front of Bruno, forcing him to loose his cool and show her true colors. Maybe there's still hope for her and Ferdumbo...only time will tell. Anyway I was trying to think of who Bruno reminds me of. Check out this pic and let me know what u all think. Funily enough, this guy was playing the Devil's son "Blackheart" in the movie Ghost Rider.
http://marvelsuperstars.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/blackheart4.jpg
http://marvelsuperstars.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/blackheart4.jpg
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:57:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:57:00 AM EST
Who is the worse parent? Vicky or Gonzalo from MEPS?
I vote for Vicky.
Gonzalo was clueless about his children, especially Camilo. He let Liliana rot in the manicomio for 15 years and banished Eduardo from Mexico on the word of a recent employee. He knew Camilo was abusive and let it slide. Even after Fernanda told her dad that Camilo raped their other brother's girlfriend and beat down their business partner, Gonzalo still wanted Fernanda to drop the charges and let it be.
But Vicky has SEEN Bruno administer beatdowns to Alex for at least 20 years and still doesn't believe Bruno could hate Alex enough to try to kill him. Alex told Vicky Friday night to keep Bruno away from Maria Jose because MJ is scared of Bruno. Vicky SAW Bruno PUNCH Maria Jose in the FACE and STILL DOES NOT BELIEVE that Alex is right about Bruno wanting to harm Alex and MJ.
Vicky SAW Bruno try to engineer a coup at Lombardo Construction and SAW Bruno punch out Maria Jose and still doesn't believe Alex when he says that Bruno was trying to kill him.
What's worse is she has Ferno-no co-signing her delusions even though:
Ferno-no and Alex have been friends for YEARS and Ferno-no KNOWS that Bruno has always had it in for Alex.
Ferno-no SAW firsthand Bruno punch out Maria Jose in the face.
Ferno-no SAW firsthand Bruno's coup attempt.
And yet Ferno-no is all up in Maria Jose's grill trying to get her to retract her story! All because he wants to get in Vicky's pants!
At this point Bruno could shoot Alex point blank in the face and Vicky will just say Bruno didn't mean it, he was just playing with a gun!
I vote for Vicky.
Gonzalo was clueless about his children, especially Camilo. He let Liliana rot in the manicomio for 15 years and banished Eduardo from Mexico on the word of a recent employee. He knew Camilo was abusive and let it slide. Even after Fernanda told her dad that Camilo raped their other brother's girlfriend and beat down their business partner, Gonzalo still wanted Fernanda to drop the charges and let it be.
But Vicky has SEEN Bruno administer beatdowns to Alex for at least 20 years and still doesn't believe Bruno could hate Alex enough to try to kill him. Alex told Vicky Friday night to keep Bruno away from Maria Jose because MJ is scared of Bruno. Vicky SAW Bruno PUNCH Maria Jose in the FACE and STILL DOES NOT BELIEVE that Alex is right about Bruno wanting to harm Alex and MJ.
Vicky SAW Bruno try to engineer a coup at Lombardo Construction and SAW Bruno punch out Maria Jose and still doesn't believe Alex when he says that Bruno was trying to kill him.
What's worse is she has Ferno-no co-signing her delusions even though:
Ferno-no and Alex have been friends for YEARS and Ferno-no KNOWS that Bruno has always had it in for Alex.
Ferno-no SAW firsthand Bruno punch out Maria Jose in the face.
Ferno-no SAW firsthand Bruno's coup attempt.
And yet Ferno-no is all up in Maria Jose's grill trying to get her to retract her story! All because he wants to get in Vicky's pants!
At this point Bruno could shoot Alex point blank in the face and Vicky will just say Bruno didn't mean it, he was just playing with a gun!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 11:00:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 11:00:00 AM EST
Boy, that's a tough one Anon. I think I'll have to go with Vicky because she is so in denial it isn't funny. Like you said she sees all the evidence in front of her and yet she still says, "He didn't mean it." Whatever! Gonzo was too but it was different.
Anon 11:00 am i agree it's Vicki. Yes i wanted to smack Gonzalo upside the head a couple of times too. The evidence was so blatantly obvious for Vicki to see. This strong desire of hers to keep refusing the truth about what Bruno is capable of has way gone beyond annoying for me with her.
Carlos you said yesterday there wasn't anything Vicki could have done with Bruno he was just born an bad seed. The point is Vicki has never done anything with Bruno except make excuses.
That is why she is an villian too and evil. When you simply do nothing and keep hoping someone changes how they act towards another person but as mother you simply stand by and wring your hands and say he really didn't mean to hit you Alex, he didn't mean to trip you Alex, he didn't mean to give you an fat lip Alex and surely didn't mean to give you an black eye Alex. It's not flying with me. She's repugnant and far worse than clueless Gonzalo could ever be.
Remember Gonzalo was being manipulated by Barbara too. Yes i did not like him asking Fernanda to drop the charges against Camilo to get him out. Fernanda stood her ground. Then when he learned that baby was Santiago and heart attack that's when acknowledge he was an dope.
No on hasn't been manipulating Vicki other than Bruno.
Carlos you said yesterday there wasn't anything Vicki could have done with Bruno he was just born an bad seed. The point is Vicki has never done anything with Bruno except make excuses.
That is why she is an villian too and evil. When you simply do nothing and keep hoping someone changes how they act towards another person but as mother you simply stand by and wring your hands and say he really didn't mean to hit you Alex, he didn't mean to trip you Alex, he didn't mean to give you an fat lip Alex and surely didn't mean to give you an black eye Alex. It's not flying with me. She's repugnant and far worse than clueless Gonzalo could ever be.
Remember Gonzalo was being manipulated by Barbara too. Yes i did not like him asking Fernanda to drop the charges against Camilo to get him out. Fernanda stood her ground. Then when he learned that baby was Santiago and heart attack that's when acknowledge he was an dope.
No on hasn't been manipulating Vicki other than Bruno.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 11:34:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 11:34:00 AM EST
Anon 11:00
Vicky or Gonzo. Tough question...remember Gonzo married the person who killed his wife. I have to give this some thought.....
Sandy in TN
Vicky or Gonzo. Tough question...remember Gonzo married the person who killed his wife. I have to give this some thought.....
Sandy in TN
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 11:37:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 11:37:00 AM EST
Gonzalo did not know Barbara killed Monserrat until the end. So for me Vicki hands down.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:06:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:06:00 PM EST
Anon, though I didn't say that there was nothing Vicky could have done or that Bruno is a bad seed, I'll gladly take ownership of both premises. From what we have seen of Bruno, I think that no matter what his mom or dad (either Sam or Tony) did or didn't do,he would become thew evil little creep that he is today. His slugging of Mary Jo last night just strengthens my belief of that. If there's any one thing that these TNs get right it's their portrayal of sociopaths. An example nicely done was Querida Enemiga where the 2 young women had identical upbringings by nuns and their resulting respective characters were poles apart. Vicky has her flaws but I can't accept that Bruno is what he is because of her. Now Roberto's parents are likely a whole 'nother matter.
Carlos
Carlos
I'm sure that everyone who has ever raised a child to adulthood knows that there is only so much that you can do. You try to raise them right, give them a value system, guidance, whatever. But at a certain point/age they have to become responsible for their actions.
Chavala, awesome recap! It was easy to read, exciting and funny. One of the best recaps I've read in awhile.
Now, I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't think Vicki is a villain. I also didn't think Gonzo was a villain in MEPS. Of course, they're not good parents, but to me, that pales besides real villainry, such as killing someone, blackmailing someone, hitting someone, robbing someone, etc. As anyone who saw MEPS knows, Gonzo was redeemed in the end. The good family members loved him, and he recognized his mistakes. He wasn't thrown in jail or killed or anything.
I feel the same about Vicki. Yes, she's a bad parent. She blinded to Bruno's faults. But she's not ordering any hits on anyone, not concocting schemes to cheat anyone, not poisoning anyone. I'm giving her a pass for now, hoping she'll eventually see the light. After all, she's loved by Alex, Fernando and Felipa.
Now, I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't think Vicki is a villain. I also didn't think Gonzo was a villain in MEPS. Of course, they're not good parents, but to me, that pales besides real villainry, such as killing someone, blackmailing someone, hitting someone, robbing someone, etc. As anyone who saw MEPS knows, Gonzo was redeemed in the end. The good family members loved him, and he recognized his mistakes. He wasn't thrown in jail or killed or anything.
I feel the same about Vicki. Yes, she's a bad parent. She blinded to Bruno's faults. But she's not ordering any hits on anyone, not concocting schemes to cheat anyone, not poisoning anyone. I'm giving her a pass for now, hoping she'll eventually see the light. After all, she's loved by Alex, Fernando and Felipa.
My problem once again is Vicki made excuses no attempt to do anything other than that. Yes i saw QE and what happened between Sara and Lorena.
Once again Carlos i disagree with you on Vicki being absolved of Bruno actions today. If she had tried to discipline when he started his abuse of Alex. I would be the first to say well we can't blame Vicki she really did try with Bruno. We all saw she did nothing.
As for Bruno yes i agree he a sociopath alright. He probably be the same way wether Vicki discipline him or not. It's Vicki's delusions about Bruno and herself as mother that really get to me.
Then to keep asking everyone to delude her further and say yes Vicki you were a good mother. When clearly she was not. As what Connie said was all so right. Where was the value system she gave Bruno or Raquel. Where was the guidance between right and wrong and also how treat and respect people.
Thank god Alex was not her real son. I shudder to think how he would have turn out if he had been.
Parenting is an hard job I know. If you don't make attempts to raise your child right you are responsible for how your child turned out.
Yes Bruno is responsible for his actions of today. Victoria is responsible for letting Bruno believe he can have everything he wants. He can do anything and everything possible to get what he desires. Well if he gets scolded for his actions he cries his fake tears and says you don't love like you do Alex. She until last night backed off and told him it's not true.
All of this comes from her now being ashamed of sleeping with Antonio when they were both married to other people at the time. Once again i will state use a damn condom.
Withholding the truth for all these years has not helped any of the children out. The one who has suffered the most from this is Alex. So no there isn't anything anyone can say to make me sympathize with Vicki at all.
Once again Carlos i disagree with you on Vicki being absolved of Bruno actions today. If she had tried to discipline when he started his abuse of Alex. I would be the first to say well we can't blame Vicki she really did try with Bruno. We all saw she did nothing.
As for Bruno yes i agree he a sociopath alright. He probably be the same way wether Vicki discipline him or not. It's Vicki's delusions about Bruno and herself as mother that really get to me.
Then to keep asking everyone to delude her further and say yes Vicki you were a good mother. When clearly she was not. As what Connie said was all so right. Where was the value system she gave Bruno or Raquel. Where was the guidance between right and wrong and also how treat and respect people.
Thank god Alex was not her real son. I shudder to think how he would have turn out if he had been.
Parenting is an hard job I know. If you don't make attempts to raise your child right you are responsible for how your child turned out.
Yes Bruno is responsible for his actions of today. Victoria is responsible for letting Bruno believe he can have everything he wants. He can do anything and everything possible to get what he desires. Well if he gets scolded for his actions he cries his fake tears and says you don't love like you do Alex. She until last night backed off and told him it's not true.
All of this comes from her now being ashamed of sleeping with Antonio when they were both married to other people at the time. Once again i will state use a damn condom.
Withholding the truth for all these years has not helped any of the children out. The one who has suffered the most from this is Alex. So no there isn't anything anyone can say to make me sympathize with Vicki at all.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:46:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:46:00 PM EST
Chavala: Thank your for the excellent summary.
Hombre, I don't think either Gonzo or Vicki are bad people either - just bad parents.
Diana in MA
Hombre, I don't think either Gonzo or Vicki are bad people either - just bad parents.
Diana in MA
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:54:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:54:00 PM EST
Interesting discussion all around on nature vs nurture. I think a point that is being missed is, that in the case of Sorti, the writers went to great pains to paint Vicky as a enabling mom who couldn’t handle the very difficult son she gave birth to. They never gave us a scene in which Vicky did anything but make excuses or ignore his actions. When Bruno roughed up his brother in a soccer game, she could have told him that he would be skipping the next game. Vicky did nothing time and time again. If the writers wanted us to think that Bruno was a sociopath, they would have him, as a child, attacking animals, etc., not just Alex. They want us to think that Bruno’s actions are a case of sibling rivalry go terribly wrong and they are putting at least some of the blame on Vicky.
I vote Gonzo the worst. Vicky is a “bad” mom because of misplaced love, inability to be tough in a tough situation and guilt. Gonzo was “bad” because he let his physical desire for a sexy, young woman blind him to the needs of his children..
My thoughts and always in fun.......
Sandy in TN
I vote Gonzo the worst. Vicky is a “bad” mom because of misplaced love, inability to be tough in a tough situation and guilt. Gonzo was “bad” because he let his physical desire for a sexy, young woman blind him to the needs of his children..
My thoughts and always in fun.......
Sandy in TN
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 1:37:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 1:37:00 PM EST
Great recap Chavala, you did a terrific job of filling in the blanks that went over my head. Although I enjoy InCog's recap, I must say for me it kinda undermines the real recap. Although those in viewerville enjoy the extra details, if I were a recapper, I wouldn't be thrilled if I stayed up half the night writting a recap only to have my recap recapped and the 2nd recapper receiving equal praise as I. I don't think a recap is what the recapper means when they invite us to fill in any details.
It's obvious that you have great command of the language and a great sense of humor. I really hope you will take blog mom up on her invitation to join the recapping team.
I agree that when a child turns out badly it's not always an indication of bad parenting. Children born to and raised by the same parents all have their own distinct characteristics and personalities.
Even though Vickie has always loved Alex as though her were her own flesh and blood, if I were in her shoes I would be madder than hell if my husband left his fortune to his child by another woman rather than his older son that we had together.
As far as labeling Vickie and Gonzo villians, I agree that they made their share of bad judgements. But when whoever rates these shows and gives out the various awards, unless Vickie kills half dozen people in cold blood before the end of the show, I don't think either one of these two qualifies for or will be nominated for a best villan award.
It's obvious that you have great command of the language and a great sense of humor. I really hope you will take blog mom up on her invitation to join the recapping team.
I agree that when a child turns out badly it's not always an indication of bad parenting. Children born to and raised by the same parents all have their own distinct characteristics and personalities.
Even though Vickie has always loved Alex as though her were her own flesh and blood, if I were in her shoes I would be madder than hell if my husband left his fortune to his child by another woman rather than his older son that we had together.
As far as labeling Vickie and Gonzo villians, I agree that they made their share of bad judgements. But when whoever rates these shows and gives out the various awards, unless Vickie kills half dozen people in cold blood before the end of the show, I don't think either one of these two qualifies for or will be nominated for a best villan award.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 1:38:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 1:38:00 PM EST
Perhaps there's nothing Vicky could have done for Bruno, he's a sociopath. Fair enough. But she's STILL not a good mother because she allows Bruno to abuse Alex and Maria Jose.
She also has NO PROBLEM shutting down Raquel when Raquel gets out of order. Why would her guilt over her affair lead to leniency with one twin but harshness with the other?
And I know Bruno has different personalities and needs than Raquel but I get the feeling that if Alex went to Vicky and told her Raquel needs to leave the house, Rocky y Bobo's bags would be packed and on the curb with the quickness.
She also has NO PROBLEM shutting down Raquel when Raquel gets out of order. Why would her guilt over her affair lead to leniency with one twin but harshness with the other?
And I know Bruno has different personalities and needs than Raquel but I get the feeling that if Alex went to Vicky and told her Raquel needs to leave the house, Rocky y Bobo's bags would be packed and on the curb with the quickness.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 1:44:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 1:44:00 PM EST
Sandy what you said about how the writers portrayed Vicki makes her at fault in how Bruno turned out. If we had seen Vicki disciplining Bruno. Well like everyone said Vicki tried as a mother Bruno is an bad seed.
Being an villian doesn't mean you have to kill or attempt to kill someone either. Right now the villians in Sortilegio are Bruno. Maura, Raquel,Useless and maybe Roberto who seems he on the fence right now. Vicki and Ferdumbo because they keep trying to blame MJ and her family who Alex keeps defending as saying they are victims.
I believe someone also covered in the will saying that it is up to the one who is leaving his assests who he wants to give what amount he wants to. Whether they are first born or not. While Bruno and Raquel are Antonio first born children. They're not legitimate. Alex is and that other woman is Alex's mother and Antonio wife.
Now if Victoria and Antonio had the courage to tell the twins and Alex the truth when he was still alive. They could have got them recognized as his legitimate children also. Once again Vicki was mad as you stated Joanne you would be in the same circumstance.
Antonio has the right to name any three of his children as his heir. He could have gave if he wanted to everything to Felipa. Left whatever to Vicki and his kids. It's his right and his possessions.
Being an villian doesn't mean you have to kill or attempt to kill someone either. Right now the villians in Sortilegio are Bruno. Maura, Raquel,Useless and maybe Roberto who seems he on the fence right now. Vicki and Ferdumbo because they keep trying to blame MJ and her family who Alex keeps defending as saying they are victims.
I believe someone also covered in the will saying that it is up to the one who is leaving his assests who he wants to give what amount he wants to. Whether they are first born or not. While Bruno and Raquel are Antonio first born children. They're not legitimate. Alex is and that other woman is Alex's mother and Antonio wife.
Now if Victoria and Antonio had the courage to tell the twins and Alex the truth when he was still alive. They could have got them recognized as his legitimate children also. Once again Vicki was mad as you stated Joanne you would be in the same circumstance.
Antonio has the right to name any three of his children as his heir. He could have gave if he wanted to everything to Felipa. Left whatever to Vicki and his kids. It's his right and his possessions.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:00:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:00:00 PM EST
Yes, anon 2:00, I think that the writers are trying to make Vicky look like an enabling mom. I doubt they even spent as much time as we have thinking about Bruno, they just tried to lay down a scenario in which his "evil ways" would flourish and grow! I think that the reason that this is striking a cord with many of us, and especially the women, is that we have seen many "Vickys" in our own worlds!!! I know, I've know a few in my lifetime.
Sandy in TN
Sandy in TN
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:09:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:09:00 PM EST
Anon 02:00, you said:While Bruno and Raquel are Antonio first born children. They're not legitimate".
Please clarify for me what letitimacy has to do with anything.
Further along you said: "Antonio has the right to name any three of his children as his heir.... It's his right and his possessions".
True, but it affirms that there's different strokes for different folks. Whereas you could accept your husband overlooking the children the two of you had together, illigetimate or not, I couldn't. I would speak up as Vicki did for what I believed was their rights.
Please clarify for me what letitimacy has to do with anything.
Further along you said: "Antonio has the right to name any three of his children as his heir.... It's his right and his possessions".
True, but it affirms that there's different strokes for different folks. Whereas you could accept your husband overlooking the children the two of you had together, illigetimate or not, I couldn't. I would speak up as Vicki did for what I believed was their rights.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:32:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:32:00 PM EST
Hi everyone........thought i would just drop a line to tell everyone hello.....and i am waiting for a nother period piece so i can join the fun and comment with all of you..........i started to watch Sortilegio but could not get into it.......i hear the next novela coming up is a period piece.....take care see you or rather talk to u all soon
BNinCA
BNinCA
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:45:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:45:00 PM EST
Sandy so have i. I'm a product of my upbringing my mother was not shy with the discipline either. Even when i go out and see parents let kids talk to them anyway they want and like out of control banshee. I look on in absolute shock. Many of friends have told me I'm old fashion in my outlook. I tell them spare the rod spoil the child.
I tell them if i ever talked back to mother as some of these kids do today. Have an all out embarrassing tantrum in store like i have seen on many occasion. I would not be standing or sitting here to day commenting about this novela.
Maybe that's why Vicki just reminds me of these mothers i have seen in everyday life. Some of them not even making excuses for their children behaviour just totally ignoring them. They expect you to do the same.
I tell them if i ever talked back to mother as some of these kids do today. Have an all out embarrassing tantrum in store like i have seen on many occasion. I would not be standing or sitting here to day commenting about this novela.
Maybe that's why Vicki just reminds me of these mothers i have seen in everyday life. Some of them not even making excuses for their children behaviour just totally ignoring them. They expect you to do the same.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:46:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:46:00 PM EST
Incog keep posting even the recappers have thanked you for filling in what was missed or they could not hear, or maybe if they were taping a show it got cut off. Just for your over all translation and insights are most welcomed.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:50:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 2:50:00 PM EST
I'm trying to remember how Vicky was portrayed at the beginning of the show. I seem to recall that my impression of her was strong, independent, fights for her children. But now she just seems whiney and enabling as we've all said. Am I remembering that wrong?
"Why would her guilt over her affair lead to leniency with one twin but harshness with the other?" My opinion--- because Bruno is male and Raquel is female. Sexual discrimination; she shows favoritism to the male child.
Some women just don't like other females or girls, whether they're conscious of it or not.
Some women just don't like other females or girls, whether they're conscious of it or not.
Chavala,
great recap! I like the idea of MaryJo as the Roadrunner. It's so spot on :)
I'd like to imagine that if it were Trump and not Alex, he would have fired the whole lot of them for their stupidity, not just Bruno. How weak-willed is that, to just go along with Bruno and then do a 180 when the real boss comes back.
great recap! I like the idea of MaryJo as the Roadrunner. It's so spot on :)
I'd like to imagine that if it were Trump and not Alex, he would have fired the whole lot of them for their stupidity, not just Bruno. How weak-willed is that, to just go along with Bruno and then do a 180 when the real boss comes back.
Joanne, you are so right about people choosing their beneficiaries. In this day and age you can leave your money/stuff to whomever you want. The Will/Trust is prepared in accordance with the Testator/Testatrix's wishes. On the other hand, if a son/daughter/whoever feels they were not left an appropriate bequest they have the right to contest the Will. That can be messy and expensive and oftentimes a clause is inserted in the Will that says that if you contest and lose, then you lose everything. Even what you had been bequested in the first place.
Also, as a first-time recapper I appreciate your support.
Also, as a first-time recapper I appreciate your support.
Thanks, Chavala!
I agree with Joanne at 1:38. My view of the comments is that they are meant to hark back to what was stated in the original recap. Occasionally a recapper has mistranslated some dialog and a commenter with more Spanish has corrected it. The recapper is always grateful.
But lately Incog has been posting very long additions to the recaps, translating complete dialogs, etc. This seems to me to undermine the person who did the original recap.
I'm not trying to flame anyone. I've been reading and posting here for a long time. And what's been happening with Incog seems different from our normal pattern.
I agree with Joanne at 1:38. My view of the comments is that they are meant to hark back to what was stated in the original recap. Occasionally a recapper has mistranslated some dialog and a commenter with more Spanish has corrected it. The recapper is always grateful.
But lately Incog has been posting very long additions to the recaps, translating complete dialogs, etc. This seems to me to undermine the person who did the original recap.
I'm not trying to flame anyone. I've been reading and posting here for a long time. And what's been happening with Incog seems different from our normal pattern.
I have a problem with illegitimate, none of the children were born out of wedlock, so that makes them all legitimate in my book.
Glanced through TV y Novelas at the mkt today, a spread on Corazón Salvaje.
Glanced through TV y Novelas at the mkt today, a spread on Corazón Salvaje.
In agreement with Joanne
"Joanne said... Great recap Chavala, you did a terrific job of filling in the blanks that went over my head. Although I enjoy InCog's recap, I must say for me it kinda undermines the real recap. Although those in viewerville enjoy the extra details, if I were a recapper, I wouldn't be thrilled if I stayed up half the night writting a recap only to have my recap recapped and the 2nd recapper receiving equal praise as I. I don't think a recap is what the recapper means when they invite us to fill in any details.
It's obvious that you have great command of the language and a great sense of humor. I really hope you will take blog mom up on her invitation to join the recapping team."
"Joanne said... Great recap Chavala, you did a terrific job of filling in the blanks that went over my head. Although I enjoy InCog's recap, I must say for me it kinda undermines the real recap. Although those in viewerville enjoy the extra details, if I were a recapper, I wouldn't be thrilled if I stayed up half the night writting a recap only to have my recap recapped and the 2nd recapper receiving equal praise as I. I don't think a recap is what the recapper means when they invite us to fill in any details.
It's obvious that you have great command of the language and a great sense of humor. I really hope you will take blog mom up on her invitation to join the recapping team."
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:17:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:17:00 PM EST
As a new recapper I am always open to suggestions and/or comments by people who are more versed in the language than I am. It does take more time than I would have imagined and there are nights that if I had CCs I would gladly type them right off of the screen as I went. But I have to admit it is a little frustrating to work so hard on it just to have someone "upstage" you for lack of a better word. I would be more than happy to share my Thursday spot with anyone who would like to recap.
I believe Joanne we're talking about an character in an novela not you personally right. As for my legitimate comment let me clarify it.
This was stated before from an previous post from another episode. Bruno and Raquel were both illegitimate from Antonio and Vicki's affair. When Vicki and Antonio married each other Antonio adopted them. They have the same rights or legitimacy as Alex.
Antonio in his will has the right to leave any or everything to whomever he wants. Which he did he also can put conditions in his will. Which he did also, the one thing i do not believe he put in his will is what will happen if say Bruno and Raquel contest the will.
I believe Connie has covered what happens when the will is contested.
Now that greedy Bruno has found out Antonio is his father too wait and see what he will do. We have seen in last night episode Bruno trying to take over the company using Alex's mental state as an excuse.
This was stated before from an previous post from another episode. Bruno and Raquel were both illegitimate from Antonio and Vicki's affair. When Vicki and Antonio married each other Antonio adopted them. They have the same rights or legitimacy as Alex.
Antonio in his will has the right to leave any or everything to whomever he wants. Which he did he also can put conditions in his will. Which he did also, the one thing i do not believe he put in his will is what will happen if say Bruno and Raquel contest the will.
I believe Connie has covered what happens when the will is contested.
Now that greedy Bruno has found out Antonio is his father too wait and see what he will do. We have seen in last night episode Bruno trying to take over the company using Alex's mental state as an excuse.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:50:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:50:00 PM EST
Anon 02:50, no one is asking InCog to sending in comments. I am sincere is suggesting that she volunteer for a spot. And from what I have seen of her style, I know that I would be one of her greatest supporters. The remarks that I made are in consideration and appreciation of other recappers who spend so much time and energy putting together a recap only to have it followed up with a longer more detailed version of the same chapter.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:52:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:52:00 PM EST
I thought this was an place where we could come together an exchange ideas about the novelas we are watching. I don't have a problem with Incog posting whatsoever. Nor how long the post are. Maybe if it bothers certain people all you have to do is not read it. My 2 cents. Keep on posting Incog.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:57:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:57:00 PM EST
Oops, I omitted a very important word in my last response. I meant to say "I am not asking Incog to STOP sending in comments.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 5:04:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 5:04:00 PM EST
The issue of parenthood is a very sensitive one that I can appreciate. I agree with Anon, there is only so much a parent can do, but Vic did nothing. I suppose there are levels of villainry, but how she behaved was villainous in my book. Parenthood is a great gift, which should be taken seriously. What parents do affects the child for the rest of their life. Which begs the question - Did she contribute to the actions of her son? If he kills someone, does she bear some responsibility? Tough question, because he's fully responsible for his actions as she is for her actions.
The novelas seem to redeem the bad parents from the extreme 'badness' they've done rather easily. But whether the good people love the bad ones or not, is irrelevant as to whether the person is bad or good. It reflects on the persons loving, not the person loved...
jb
The novelas seem to redeem the bad parents from the extreme 'badness' they've done rather easily. But whether the good people love the bad ones or not, is irrelevant as to whether the person is bad or good. It reflects on the persons loving, not the person loved...
jb
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 5:59:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 5:59:00 PM EST
Thanks for the awesome recap Chavala! Very detailed and funny!
I agree that the best line of the show was Paula's "Esta es una casa de locos (this is a mad house!)". Though I prefer the word-by-word translation of casa de locos - "House of Crazy"... madhouse just seems to normal for this crazy group!
While watching the show last night, it kind of seemed to me like Vicki did a complete turn around to supporting Alex and actually listening to MJ. But then I find out she didn't believe MJ at all, even though she hugged her after they talked! Sigh... But that did seem a little out-of-character for her.
I don't think Antonio really cared about "his" kid verses "their" kids when he wrote his will - he just left everything to the one who would be responsible enough to handle it. And the other two proved him right!
There's arguments on both sides of the "nature vs nurture" debate that's been going on. Maybe it wouldn't have helped much, but Vicki (and Antonio) should have held Bruno accountable for his actions when he was younger.
And Vicki needs to stop using her one past indiscretion as an excuse for her actions today. Get over it and move on!
I appreciate all the time that goes into the recaps, as well as when people translate complete conversations. I only know a few words of Spanish, so I really appreciate knowing exactly what was said when people have the time to translate it. Thanks!
I agree that the best line of the show was Paula's "Esta es una casa de locos (this is a mad house!)". Though I prefer the word-by-word translation of casa de locos - "House of Crazy"... madhouse just seems to normal for this crazy group!
While watching the show last night, it kind of seemed to me like Vicki did a complete turn around to supporting Alex and actually listening to MJ. But then I find out she didn't believe MJ at all, even though she hugged her after they talked! Sigh... But that did seem a little out-of-character for her.
I don't think Antonio really cared about "his" kid verses "their" kids when he wrote his will - he just left everything to the one who would be responsible enough to handle it. And the other two proved him right!
There's arguments on both sides of the "nature vs nurture" debate that's been going on. Maybe it wouldn't have helped much, but Vicki (and Antonio) should have held Bruno accountable for his actions when he was younger.
And Vicki needs to stop using her one past indiscretion as an excuse for her actions today. Get over it and move on!
I appreciate all the time that goes into the recaps, as well as when people translate complete conversations. I only know a few words of Spanish, so I really appreciate knowing exactly what was said when people have the time to translate it. Thanks!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 6:03:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 6:03:00 PM EST
As I mentioned I'm new to blogging and don't quite know how to append this comment to Joanne's post, so I'll just add this to the bottom of the list. Thank you so much, Joanne, for your kind words about the recap and recognition of the work that goes into it. It's more work than I expected but worth it to be able to read the comments that come after.
I'm not at all bothered by additions, long or short, that readers make. As long as they're clean and don't attack anyone I'm really happy to know what people think, what they saw that I didn't, and what the episode looks like from their point of view. I view InCog as complementing rather than usurping. And you are all so generous with your praise that I fell like there is more than enough to go around - thanks to everyone in this community for affording me so much fun and letting me write!
I'm not at all bothered by additions, long or short, that readers make. As long as they're clean and don't attack anyone I'm really happy to know what people think, what they saw that I didn't, and what the episode looks like from their point of view. I view InCog as complementing rather than usurping. And you are all so generous with your praise that I fell like there is more than enough to go around - thanks to everyone in this community for affording me so much fun and letting me write!
Chavala, thank you so much for your recap. I really appreciate all of the volunteer time you put into this forum to help those of us that are Spanish-challenged. Keep up the great work.
rsk
rsk
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 6:49:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 6:49:00 PM EST
Thanks, Chavala , for the great recap. I appreciate your time, effort, and graciousness. Thanks so much.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 6:52:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 6:52:00 PM EST
Anon 11:00 said: At this point Bruno could shoot Alex point blank in the face and Vicky will just say Bruno didn't mean it, he was just playing with a gun! Yeah, I'll buy that.
I want Bruno to punch someone (other than Alex) and get himself stomped into a puddle for once. I'm pretty sure I could NOT go toe-to-toe with his strength, no way, but I'll bet every object in the room would be in my hand and hurled at him one after the other until he was black and blue and red all over. Brutha would be hurting.
To reiterate an earlier comment of mine not on this thread: It is most definitely possible to be born with bad wiring, a lack of conscience when it comes to right and wrong. Many people grow up in the most deplorable of conditions, mental and physical abuse, lack of love, hunger, chained to toilets as children, all kinds of terrible things that Bruno did not come even close to experiencing. Yet they didn't grow up and begin to plan and carry out murders and such because, oh, mommy didn't love me. They are bitter and angry and have a lot of issues, but they don't go around taking lives.
Killing someone in the heat of the moment or crime of passion style isn't what I'm referring to. When you can cold-bloodedly sit down without your life being in any danger at the moment and take the time to calculate the murder of another human being because of how they have slighted you, set it up, carry it out, and feel good about yourself afterward, that is a chemical imbalance. Sociopathic. Psychopathic. It's not like depression or other things that can develop because of situations. The seed has to already be there in order for anger and rage to lead to COLD killing.
Or I might have offed someone myself by now. JMHO.
Carlos, your experience with such folks gives me a shiver, man. Wow.
I want Bruno to punch someone (other than Alex) and get himself stomped into a puddle for once. I'm pretty sure I could NOT go toe-to-toe with his strength, no way, but I'll bet every object in the room would be in my hand and hurled at him one after the other until he was black and blue and red all over. Brutha would be hurting.
To reiterate an earlier comment of mine not on this thread: It is most definitely possible to be born with bad wiring, a lack of conscience when it comes to right and wrong. Many people grow up in the most deplorable of conditions, mental and physical abuse, lack of love, hunger, chained to toilets as children, all kinds of terrible things that Bruno did not come even close to experiencing. Yet they didn't grow up and begin to plan and carry out murders and such because, oh, mommy didn't love me. They are bitter and angry and have a lot of issues, but they don't go around taking lives.
Killing someone in the heat of the moment or crime of passion style isn't what I'm referring to. When you can cold-bloodedly sit down without your life being in any danger at the moment and take the time to calculate the murder of another human being because of how they have slighted you, set it up, carry it out, and feel good about yourself afterward, that is a chemical imbalance. Sociopathic. Psychopathic. It's not like depression or other things that can develop because of situations. The seed has to already be there in order for anger and rage to lead to COLD killing.
Or I might have offed someone myself by now. JMHO.
Carlos, your experience with such folks gives me a shiver, man. Wow.
When it comes to running a family business that keeps food in everyone's mouths, a man would have to be STUPID to hand it all over to an older son just because he is the older son and not because the fool could run it properly. The point of a company is to keep it growing, flourishing, and on the right side of the law. Blood isn't the only point to be considered here.
To all of the recappers i too would like to give an heartfelt thank you for all of your time and efforts to give us fans these recaps of our favorite novelas. I take InCog posting as Chavala has said not usurping who ever is recapping that night but complementing and maybe even adding on certain parts that were missed. So i say thank you to everyone for your wonderful dedication and a special assist for InCog.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:24:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:24:00 PM EST
Chavala, it says alot about you that you did not see Incog's assist as "upstaging." I'm glad you only saw it as the help it was. And I'm glad you're here with us. :)
Connie said: I'm trying to remember how Vicky was portrayed at the beginning of the show. I seem to recall that my impression of her was strong, independent, fights for her children. But now she just seems whiney and enabling as we've all said. Am I remembering that wrong?
No, you're remembering that right! In the beginning Vicky looked not perfect, but like someone we could really champion. I think that's why I'm so disappointed now.
No, you're remembering that right! In the beginning Vicky looked not perfect, but like someone we could really champion. I think that's why I'm so disappointed now.
The recappers are doing a great and difficult job (especially given the fast turnaround they deliver!), and it is in no way my intention to usurp them or the praise they rightly deserve. My sincerest apologies to any here who feel I have done so.
Incog
Incog
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:42:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:42:00 PM EST
Carebear Vicki was trying to influence MJ by saying she wanted to hear the truth. Vicki wants only to deal with her truth and reality. I think Carlos said earlier she made MJ seem like a baldfaced liar then gave her hug. I also thought she was trying to make MJ feel guilty too and she does. MJ had told her the truth before. Alex came up with this not brilliant idea to lie to protect MJ and her family. Also to appease and keep the peace with Vicki.
Antonio did not play favorites and when he married Victoria he said that they would all treated equally unlike Victoria. Antonio thankfully recognize the shortcomings in the twins and made Alex the heir and head of the family. Vicki and her bloodsucking twin brats should be grateful. If Bruno had been left in charged the lifestyle they have all grown accustomed too they would not be living in the lap of luxury that they used to. They would be at the nearest soup kitchen.
Antonio did not play favorites and when he married Victoria he said that they would all treated equally unlike Victoria. Antonio thankfully recognize the shortcomings in the twins and made Alex the heir and head of the family. Vicki and her bloodsucking twin brats should be grateful. If Bruno had been left in charged the lifestyle they have all grown accustomed too they would not be living in the lap of luxury that they used to. They would be at the nearest soup kitchen.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:46:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:46:00 PM EST
Incog read my post at 4:57 and i stand by those comments too. I also agree with Stephe about Chavala. Keep on posting Incog. Pumping fist in the air YEAH!!!!!!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:53:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:53:00 PM EST
I have some problems retaining new information, so it's difficult getting my Spanish to improve. So I appreciate whatever translation and detailed info I can get. I'm always a little worried about stupidly commenting/ranting about something I may have misunderstood... doh!
Children, children, let's all get along. I agree that if anybody doesn't want to read something in the comments, they don't have to read it. My rules are no spoilers and no gossip and I guess no politics, so pretty much anything else is ok with me (ok, no porn and no spam and no self-promotion but those things haven't been a problem!) so let's just be nice and enjoy each other's contributions. Thanks to everybody who makes this such a nice community.
I have been reading the recaps off and on. I started reading it again when Sortilegio aired. I already saw it, but loved it so much that I am watching it on the big screen and not on the computer. I don't know much about spanish, I just know a little. So I appreciate this blog and all the recappers. I also appreciate Incog because sometimes the recappers missed something and i am wondering what this person said and Incog filled it in for me. So keep up the good work to all the recappers and Incog too. Thanks to you all. Charlotte09
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 8:07:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 8:07:00 PM EST
I'm also not a recapper, and would never dictate how individual recappers should feel. You all have our utmost respect.
In my opinion, as the person who's been doing this longest - I cannot STAND to write down every little conversation and if somebody else wants to do it, that's fine with me!
Stephe, you are going to recap this on Nov 9? Cool. My most vivid memory of a psychopath is a young man I met at the Galveston Co. jail in 1970 as a senior student. He was 19 yrs. old at the time and hadn't killed anyone yet. His name was butch and he was every bit as frightening as Hannibal Lector. He was not exactly charming, but it was compelling the way he talked about his deeds with icy detachment. Sends shivers up me even now. He had the triad in spades. Though he didn't like discussing the bed-wetting, he was almost eager to relate tales of fires he'd started and his extreme animal cruelty. He was executed a few years ago.
Carlos
Carlos
Carlos, I offered if no one else could, so we'll see. :)
Just the deep research I've done on sociopaths for stories chills me to the bone. I can't imagine experiencing the subject the way you have, in a medical capacity.
Just the deep research I've done on sociopaths for stories chills me to the bone. I can't imagine experiencing the subject the way you have, in a medical capacity.
Hi everyone, I'm behind as usual, but I had to log on to ask if you guys had mentioned before about the guy who plays Roberto. It was driving me crazy where I saw him and I finally looked up his name and BINGO. I found out he played Ascanio on Pasion. Did you all know that already? I find him very attractive even though he's kind of playing a scumbag
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:51:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:51:00 PM EST
Incog -PLEASE keep posting. I have such a limited grasp on Spanish. I volunteered because no one else did, and I have a general idea what is going on. When I volunteered I could watch on YouTube and have a week to try and get the pertinent conversations, but they are gone now, so pleeease keep posting. I appreciate it very much! I am also traveling again Thur-Sun and will have to do WED's recap quickly.
dpd
dpd
Anonymous 1:44 said: I get the feeling that if Alex went to Vicky and told her Raquel needs to leave the house, Rocky y Bobo's bags would be packed and on the curb with the quickness.
I said in an earlier comment that I thought Vic would probably pull the same "If she goes, I go" stunt she pulled on Alex when he tried to toss Bruno out, but thinking about it, I think you have a point. Raquel's behavior and the way Vic can be so caught up in her sons that she sometimes seems to forget she's got a daughter makes me think you have a point and Vic might not be in such a rush to hang onto Raquel if she were to decide to leave. Then again, since Raquel doesn't live in the mansion of horrors but off in one of the "chalets" while both Vic's sons are right there in the manse along with her, and has a husband who in theory would be supposed to want to take care of Raquel, it's easier for Vic to write Raquel off -- after a token protest or two, of course!
Incog
I said in an earlier comment that I thought Vic would probably pull the same "If she goes, I go" stunt she pulled on Alex when he tried to toss Bruno out, but thinking about it, I think you have a point. Raquel's behavior and the way Vic can be so caught up in her sons that she sometimes seems to forget she's got a daughter makes me think you have a point and Vic might not be in such a rush to hang onto Raquel if she were to decide to leave. Then again, since Raquel doesn't live in the mansion of horrors but off in one of the "chalets" while both Vic's sons are right there in the manse along with her, and has a husband who in theory would be supposed to want to take care of Raquel, it's easier for Vic to write Raquel off -- after a token protest or two, of course!
Incog
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 1:06:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 1:06:00 AM EST
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