Wednesday, December 09, 2009
Sortilegio, Tuesday, December 08--Ep #44: Alex sure knows how to sell divorce.
The promo monkeys have been hard at work trying to convince me we've got a real sizzling episode in store tonight. Let's see if monkeys lie or not.
Review: Meche and Gabriel are free and planning to visit an aunt in Xalapa (Jalapa?). Chucho is a cheap bastard when it comes to paying cabbies. Gabriel doesn't know how to walk properly with crutches. Alex wants 3 plane tickets to the DF for him, MJ, and the lawyer to facilitate the quickie divorce. Mari tries to make the arrangements, but Katia is being nosy and won't take "none of your business" for an answer. Mari reports little miss snotty-pants to Alex and ends up using his phone.
If anyone asks where Alex is tomorrow, Mari is to say she doesn't know. They'll be taking the helicopter to the airport. Alex listens to a little of Katia's conversation, but not nearly enough. All she knows is someone is going to DF. Bruno isn't pleased with the scarcity of the information.
Chucho tries to convince Meche and Gabriel to talk to Alex, or at least to take some money. Pedro comes up with a plan to send Paula back to Alex's house and have Meche and Gabriel stay with them, at least until they come up with a better plan. Meche and Gabriel cry about how well Chucho and Pedro are treating them. Chucho isn't a fan of crying.
Raquel brings martinis to Lisette and Maura and bitches at them about how they never come to visit anymore. Maura claims they're there to support Raquel, like the good friends they are. Raquel cries and whines about what a tough time she's having. The sisters try to pump Raquel for info. She admits she's a bastard cause her mom got around. Maura and Lisette try to console her, but you can tell they're laughing on the inside. Raquel gripes that Roberto only cares about himself and as soon as this is all over, she's divorcing him. Lisette tells her she'd better not be doing it to marry Uli, cause he'll just wring every last cent from her. She denies having anything to do with Uli and calls Lisette and Maura "viboras" (snakes). She kicks them out. Maura tells Lisette they'd better go as Raquel is probably "en sus dias" (lit. "in her days"; i.e. PMS-ing). Raquel shrieks at them and throws her drink at the door as they leave.
Maura and Lisette feel sorry for Roberto after that display. They see Fernando driving up. Maura thinks when she's Vicky's age, she'd like to have a Fernando. Lisette agrees. They get in Maura's red convertible and drive off, complaining about the heat.
Vicky gives Fernando a big hug when he comes in. They do their song and dance about how he's too young, what's going to happen, etc. while smooching and hugging.
Erick drives back to his house and finds the door open and unlocked. He calls for Meche and Gabriel, who have thoughtlessly left without even leaving a "Dear Erick, we're escaping, too bad sucka!" note behind. He calls them imbeciles for escaping and moans that he's going to be in such big trouble with Bruno. For the not killing them part or the letting them escape part?
Alex comes home. Ezequiel informs him that Maura and Lisette visited Raquel and Fernando is there to see Vicky. MJ is in her/their room. Alex has Zeke tell Fernando and Vicky that he'd like them all to have dinner together. Upstairs, MJ is getting packed for tomorrow. She's worried that people are going to start talking smack about her again--saying she's going to betray him and run off with his money, etc. Alex doesn't care anymore. He knows Vicky will understand and the rest of them can go jump in the fake lake. He doesn't want to talk about it anymore. He says he trusts her like he trusts himself.
At dinner, Vicky asks if there has been anything more than what was in the paper. Alex says he doesn't think so, but he does have a plan--he and MJ will divorce. That way he keeps his word to Bruno, but also this will fix it so that no matter what happens, Bruno won't get his hands on the money. Alex says he won't be left with nothing because he can get a job somewhere else. MJ brings up that she thinks they think she's going to take off. She wants to reassure them that she won't. Vicky gets weepy at the thought of Alex leaving his father's company. Alex tells her that MJ will own most of the company and Bruno will drive it into the ground. Then MJ and Vicky can move to have Alex reinstated. Vicky doesn't like the risk, but Alex couldn't think of another plan. MJ will also own half of the house. Alex says he'll live somewhere else or he can stay in one of the chalets. Alex says the only problem is that they won't be divorced for a month and if Bruno gets his way before that month is up, then they will have a big problem. Dun, dun, dun. Cause the problems they've had so far have been so small?
Vicky and Fernando discuss The Plan. Fernando likes it, but he thinks giving it all to MJ is risky because she's vulnerable to threats from Bruno and pressure from her sister and father. Vicky is worried that Fernando will get fired, but he says he can always get another job. Fernando tells her that he's got a ranch that a great-uncle takes care of for him. Vicky is surprised at how little she knows about him, but he says it's because he's confined himself to only telling her how much he loves her. Another round of "You're too young/No I'm not" ensues. More smooching.
Alex tells MJ they've got to get up early to catch a 7:00 helicopter. Alex says that even if Vicky and Fernando don't trust her, he does. MJ says she's feeling something like a "comezón" (an itch) near her wound. Alex smooches on her nonexistent bump as she asks him how long they'll be separated. He says it all depends on how the court case goes. He says she won't be without him, though. He'll sneak into her room every night and they'll get down. She tells him she'll love him for evah.
Ulises meets some guy in a hotel. This is the guy who set him up with the original Fake!Mario. The guy says Fake!Mario must have found someone who paid him better. "Con dinero baila el perro, y sin dinero bailas como un perro" (money makes the dog dance and without money you dance like a dog). He has no idea where Fake!Mario lives, but he'll try to find out. Uli sees Roberto macking on a hot chick and comes over to say hello. He asks for a moment of Roberto's time to tell him that the guy he was just talking to is going to find their Fake!Mario. Roberto gives the valet ticket to the hot chick and tells her to have the car brought up. Uli comments that Roberto has now taken to getting it on with prostitutes. Roberto ignores him and asks what he wants. Uli doesn't like it when they fight. He says they need to enjoy life, but Roberto doesn't like Uli "enjoying life" with his wife. Uli asks what he should do. Duh, quit seeing her. Uli says he can't, Raquel is an unflushable. He tries to get Roberto to come back to his place instead of leaving with the woman. Unfortunately Roberto's not in the mood for sausage tonight.
Raquel calls Uli. She's lying around having a moment with a peacock feather. She teases him that she only calls him so often because he never calls her, so therefore it's his fault. She has a surprise for him and wants to pick him up at 10 and she won't take no for an answer. She ends up letting it slip that the surprise is his new apartment. He's thrilled. Not.
Alex and Fernando review The Plan. Fernando will be in charge until Alex gets back. Despite Vicky and Fernando's doubts, Alex trusts MJ and besides, he doesn't have any other options. When he gets back, they need to talk about Katia--she's not doing her work and she's spending too much time with a possible boyfriend. Alex tells Fernando that even though Katia's his sister, Alex doesn't want her hanging around with just any guy.
MaryJo talks to Pedro. He pleads for Paula to go back to the big house. MJ says they're going to DF today on business, but they can talk about it more tomorrow. Zeke comes to fetch MJ. She points out the luggage to him as she finishes throwing stuff in her purse and they walk out.
Fernando walks the lawyer to the helipad. Vicky wishes MJ a good trip. Felipa tells Alex to take care of himself. Vicky gives MJ and Alex both a blessing. Vicky and Felipa walk Alex and MJ to the helipad. The helicopter takes off. Vicky, Felipa, Fernando, and Zeke watch them take off. They all sincerely hope things go well. Fernando invites Vicky to dinner, but she says she's too tired to go out. He's invited over later though, if he wants. Felipa comments that Fernando makes Vicky smile. Vicky tells Felipa about Fernando's ranch as they walk inside.
In the Bachelor Pad + Pau, Pedro is hanging up his picture of the Virgen. This place is looking more and more like the apartment in Saqui every day. Pedro asks after Meche and Gabriel. Chucho says they're really nervous. Pedro tells Chucho that MJ is in DF until tomorrow and he hopes she'll agree to let Paula go back to the big house. Paula comes out of the room and the two guys try to cheer her up. Paula is cranky that Pedro hung up the Virgen. Pedro fills Paula in on the trip to DF. Paula is grouchy that they've gone on vacation while she's stuck there. She declines to go with the guys to the mercado. Once they've left, she pulls her cell phone out of her cleavage and calls the big house. Paula tells Ezequiel she needs Roberto's cell phone number. Dun, dun, dun.
Raquel takes Uli to his new apartment. She's rented it for a whole year. She asks whether they should break it in in the living room or the bedroom. Uli wants to do it riiiiight here.
Roberto comes to pick up Paula. He thanks her for saving him from a boring day of doing nothing. She won't invite him in because it's "espantoso" (horrific). She doesn't care where they go, just anywhere. So off they go, holding hands.
Erick goes to Meche and Gabriel's old place, but they're not there. He goes over to his cousin's. He claims to be nervous about them having disappeared, cause if they say anything to Alex, he and the cousin are in big trouble. The cousin says maybe they went to see their aunt in Xalapa.
Paula and Roberto are out at the beach. Paula tells Roberto that Alex and MJ went to DF. Roberto is confused because he thought MJ was too weak to travel. He orders them a couple of drinks. He tells Paula that as hard as she tries, she can't resist being friends with him. Paula agrees that now she does think they're friends.
In DF, the judge thinks that Alex is being way too generous with MJ. Alex says it's because she's having his baby. The judge asks MJ and Alex if they want to divorce. They both say yes without meaning it. The lawyer gives the judge a letter where Alex and MJ have stated that they'll submit to the jurisdiction of the DF so they can "prescindir" (dispense with) the need for "juntas de avenencia" (settlement or mediation meetings). The judge tells them that since they want the express divorce, they need to come to 1 meeting just to confirm that there's no possibility of reconciling. Then they have to wait a month for the sentence to come down. Alex asks if there isn't any way to speed things up. He claims he's going out of the country in a couple of weeks and he doesn't want any loose ends. The judge says they'll do what they can to speed things up. I kinda like Alex playing dirty. And as Mr. 5ft keeps saying, now they can get remarried, and in the church this time.
In the car, Alex tells MJ they'll be divorced in a few weeks. She's so pouty he tells her he has a surprise for her--they're going to a concert.
Fernando comes downstairs to see Katia dancing around the living room with her iPod. When he says he's going to the Lombardo's she asks why--since Alex isn't there. Fernando asks her if she has a boyfriend, cause if she does, he'd like to meet the guy. She asks him when he's going to officially introduce her to his girlfriend or lover or whatever--cause if it's Vicky, she thinks it's ridiculous. He tells her to shut it. She tells him that if she's not allowed to ask about his girlfriend then he can't ask about her boyfriend. Fernando starts in on the "well, I'm your older brother" speech as Mr. 5ft comments that Fernando will be the stepdad to his sister's boyfriend. Thank you so much for that mental image. Fernando tells her if she doesn't behave herself, she'll have to be sent away to school again. Bratia counters that if he keeps dating old hags, he'll have to consult a psychiatrist..."cuckoo!" Fer leaves and Katia calls Bruno, but gets his voicemail.
Bruno is talking to Fake!Mario. FM says he's out of money, but Bruno doesn't care anymore. If MF (oops, I mean FM!) needs to squeeze somebody, he can call Uli or Maura or whoever. And he doesn't care anymore about what he told FM before--that he wasn't to get in touch with them again. He hangs up on FM and takes a call from Katia. Katia gripes that she's sick of Fernando and she wants to tell him that she's going out with Bruno so he'll back off. Bruno says it's not time yet. He wants to know if she found out anything more about what Alex is up to. Katia says she didn't because "la gorda de Mari" (that fat [beeyotch] Mari) wouldn't speak to her anymore. So that would make her, what "la ramera de Katia?" "la metiche de Katia?" Bruno is sure that Alex and MaryJo are plotting something to hurt him and that Fernando knows about it. Bruno convinces Katia to hack into Fernando's computer and see if she can find anything useful. Not that she needed a lot of convincing.
In front of Fernando, Vicky tells Hernán, via phone, that she's grateful for the offer, but she's really, really, not in the mood to go out tonight. He keeps trying to convince her to go out, assuming that she's holing up in the house alone, as opposed to cuddling with Fernando. He just won't take no for an answer. She finally says she'll go out with him the day after tomorrow. He tells her he'll take her to the best restaurant in town. She hangs up. Fernando is upset, but Vicky says she ran out of excuses to say no. Fernando says she should have used him as the excuse, but Vicky isn't yet ready to publicly admit her cougar status. Fernando doesn't like her giving hope to that "viejo rabo verde" (dirty old man). Awww, they're having their first couple fight. Vicky thinks she's just being friendly, but Fernando knows what Hernán is really after. Vicky says she's not going to put up with him complaining over something so silly. Fernando claims not to be jealous, but Vicky has had enough and isn't going to do things just to please him. She dismisses him, saying she needs to rest now. Okay, cue the violins and the sucking up. Actually, he just says he understands and leaves. It almost looked like Vicky was going to tell him not to, but instead she beats on her desk. Hey, what did that desk ever do to you? Poor thing's had to listen to so much vacillation in the last few months, and then to get beat on top of it. It just ain't right.
Katia can't get past Fernando's password. It's probably "sex1v1ct0ria" or something.
Uli thanks Maura for her prior financial support, but he's got a new sugar mama now. Uli is cagey about telling her where he's living or who's paying for it. His cell phone rings, but he doesn't recognize the number. He answers it and it's Fake!Mario, aka, Mateo. FM thinks the story of where he's been would interest them, as long as they can pay him.
In the hotel room, Alex tells MaryJo that they have to meet with the judge tomorrow to confirm that they really do want a divorce. Then he has to go back to living the way he did before to prove that their separation is credible. MaryJo doesn't like the idea of him going out and seeing Maura. Alex reminds her that he really loves her and the rest is a farce. He says she's the only one in his heart. MJ says she can't help being jealous. Alex says they'll always be together. Smoochies.
Fake!Mario tells Maura and Ulises that the guy who paid him called himself "Mario Aguirre." He's experiencing a cash flow shortage now that "Mario" won't pay him anymore and he figures that Maura and Uli will pay to keep him from going to Alex with what he knows. He tells them to call when they've come to a decision, and then leaves, undoubtedly sticking them with the check. Ulises is washing his hands of the whole matter. He figures all he did was do a favor for Maura. In other words, if someone's going to pay, it's going to be her. Maura says she's sure the guy will want a lot of money and she'll just end up having to pay and pay and pay. Uli says he doesn't know what to do, but he'll help her if she needs it. Riiiight. As long as it doesn't mean forking over any dough, right?
In the Auditorio Nacional, Alex and MaryJo have come to see…El Divo in concert. Watch out for flying underwear and hotel key cards. Alex and MaryJo are busy making out. Alex takes MaryJo backstage after the concert. The boys are surprised to hear that their good buddy Al has gotten married. He introduces her to one guy in Spanish and the other three in English and then asks, on MaryJo's behalf, for a picture of her with them. She's all nervous and shaky, but she keeps from doing the big gummy smile. Alex invites the guys to his place tomorrow for dinner. MaryJo gets all giddy and tells the guys they sing great and she's a "fan" (which is the same in English as it is in Spanish).
Tomorrow: Bruno tries to find out what Alex is up to; Alex confronts Bruno and hears that Bruno hates him (no, really, I never would have guessed); Alex threatens Bruno to stay away from "his" family.
Review: Meche and Gabriel are free and planning to visit an aunt in Xalapa (Jalapa?). Chucho is a cheap bastard when it comes to paying cabbies. Gabriel doesn't know how to walk properly with crutches. Alex wants 3 plane tickets to the DF for him, MJ, and the lawyer to facilitate the quickie divorce. Mari tries to make the arrangements, but Katia is being nosy and won't take "none of your business" for an answer. Mari reports little miss snotty-pants to Alex and ends up using his phone.
If anyone asks where Alex is tomorrow, Mari is to say she doesn't know. They'll be taking the helicopter to the airport. Alex listens to a little of Katia's conversation, but not nearly enough. All she knows is someone is going to DF. Bruno isn't pleased with the scarcity of the information.
Chucho tries to convince Meche and Gabriel to talk to Alex, or at least to take some money. Pedro comes up with a plan to send Paula back to Alex's house and have Meche and Gabriel stay with them, at least until they come up with a better plan. Meche and Gabriel cry about how well Chucho and Pedro are treating them. Chucho isn't a fan of crying.
Raquel brings martinis to Lisette and Maura and bitches at them about how they never come to visit anymore. Maura claims they're there to support Raquel, like the good friends they are. Raquel cries and whines about what a tough time she's having. The sisters try to pump Raquel for info. She admits she's a bastard cause her mom got around. Maura and Lisette try to console her, but you can tell they're laughing on the inside. Raquel gripes that Roberto only cares about himself and as soon as this is all over, she's divorcing him. Lisette tells her she'd better not be doing it to marry Uli, cause he'll just wring every last cent from her. She denies having anything to do with Uli and calls Lisette and Maura "viboras" (snakes). She kicks them out. Maura tells Lisette they'd better go as Raquel is probably "en sus dias" (lit. "in her days"; i.e. PMS-ing). Raquel shrieks at them and throws her drink at the door as they leave.
Maura and Lisette feel sorry for Roberto after that display. They see Fernando driving up. Maura thinks when she's Vicky's age, she'd like to have a Fernando. Lisette agrees. They get in Maura's red convertible and drive off, complaining about the heat.
Vicky gives Fernando a big hug when he comes in. They do their song and dance about how he's too young, what's going to happen, etc. while smooching and hugging.
Erick drives back to his house and finds the door open and unlocked. He calls for Meche and Gabriel, who have thoughtlessly left without even leaving a "Dear Erick, we're escaping, too bad sucka!" note behind. He calls them imbeciles for escaping and moans that he's going to be in such big trouble with Bruno. For the not killing them part or the letting them escape part?
Alex comes home. Ezequiel informs him that Maura and Lisette visited Raquel and Fernando is there to see Vicky. MJ is in her/their room. Alex has Zeke tell Fernando and Vicky that he'd like them all to have dinner together. Upstairs, MJ is getting packed for tomorrow. She's worried that people are going to start talking smack about her again--saying she's going to betray him and run off with his money, etc. Alex doesn't care anymore. He knows Vicky will understand and the rest of them can go jump in the fake lake. He doesn't want to talk about it anymore. He says he trusts her like he trusts himself.
At dinner, Vicky asks if there has been anything more than what was in the paper. Alex says he doesn't think so, but he does have a plan--he and MJ will divorce. That way he keeps his word to Bruno, but also this will fix it so that no matter what happens, Bruno won't get his hands on the money. Alex says he won't be left with nothing because he can get a job somewhere else. MJ brings up that she thinks they think she's going to take off. She wants to reassure them that she won't. Vicky gets weepy at the thought of Alex leaving his father's company. Alex tells her that MJ will own most of the company and Bruno will drive it into the ground. Then MJ and Vicky can move to have Alex reinstated. Vicky doesn't like the risk, but Alex couldn't think of another plan. MJ will also own half of the house. Alex says he'll live somewhere else or he can stay in one of the chalets. Alex says the only problem is that they won't be divorced for a month and if Bruno gets his way before that month is up, then they will have a big problem. Dun, dun, dun. Cause the problems they've had so far have been so small?
Vicky and Fernando discuss The Plan. Fernando likes it, but he thinks giving it all to MJ is risky because she's vulnerable to threats from Bruno and pressure from her sister and father. Vicky is worried that Fernando will get fired, but he says he can always get another job. Fernando tells her that he's got a ranch that a great-uncle takes care of for him. Vicky is surprised at how little she knows about him, but he says it's because he's confined himself to only telling her how much he loves her. Another round of "You're too young/No I'm not" ensues. More smooching.
Alex tells MJ they've got to get up early to catch a 7:00 helicopter. Alex says that even if Vicky and Fernando don't trust her, he does. MJ says she's feeling something like a "comezón" (an itch) near her wound. Alex smooches on her nonexistent bump as she asks him how long they'll be separated. He says it all depends on how the court case goes. He says she won't be without him, though. He'll sneak into her room every night and they'll get down. She tells him she'll love him for evah.
Ulises meets some guy in a hotel. This is the guy who set him up with the original Fake!Mario. The guy says Fake!Mario must have found someone who paid him better. "Con dinero baila el perro, y sin dinero bailas como un perro" (money makes the dog dance and without money you dance like a dog). He has no idea where Fake!Mario lives, but he'll try to find out. Uli sees Roberto macking on a hot chick and comes over to say hello. He asks for a moment of Roberto's time to tell him that the guy he was just talking to is going to find their Fake!Mario. Roberto gives the valet ticket to the hot chick and tells her to have the car brought up. Uli comments that Roberto has now taken to getting it on with prostitutes. Roberto ignores him and asks what he wants. Uli doesn't like it when they fight. He says they need to enjoy life, but Roberto doesn't like Uli "enjoying life" with his wife. Uli asks what he should do. Duh, quit seeing her. Uli says he can't, Raquel is an unflushable. He tries to get Roberto to come back to his place instead of leaving with the woman. Unfortunately Roberto's not in the mood for sausage tonight.
Raquel calls Uli. She's lying around having a moment with a peacock feather. She teases him that she only calls him so often because he never calls her, so therefore it's his fault. She has a surprise for him and wants to pick him up at 10 and she won't take no for an answer. She ends up letting it slip that the surprise is his new apartment. He's thrilled. Not.
Alex and Fernando review The Plan. Fernando will be in charge until Alex gets back. Despite Vicky and Fernando's doubts, Alex trusts MJ and besides, he doesn't have any other options. When he gets back, they need to talk about Katia--she's not doing her work and she's spending too much time with a possible boyfriend. Alex tells Fernando that even though Katia's his sister, Alex doesn't want her hanging around with just any guy.
MaryJo talks to Pedro. He pleads for Paula to go back to the big house. MJ says they're going to DF today on business, but they can talk about it more tomorrow. Zeke comes to fetch MJ. She points out the luggage to him as she finishes throwing stuff in her purse and they walk out.
Fernando walks the lawyer to the helipad. Vicky wishes MJ a good trip. Felipa tells Alex to take care of himself. Vicky gives MJ and Alex both a blessing. Vicky and Felipa walk Alex and MJ to the helipad. The helicopter takes off. Vicky, Felipa, Fernando, and Zeke watch them take off. They all sincerely hope things go well. Fernando invites Vicky to dinner, but she says she's too tired to go out. He's invited over later though, if he wants. Felipa comments that Fernando makes Vicky smile. Vicky tells Felipa about Fernando's ranch as they walk inside.
In the Bachelor Pad + Pau, Pedro is hanging up his picture of the Virgen. This place is looking more and more like the apartment in Saqui every day. Pedro asks after Meche and Gabriel. Chucho says they're really nervous. Pedro tells Chucho that MJ is in DF until tomorrow and he hopes she'll agree to let Paula go back to the big house. Paula comes out of the room and the two guys try to cheer her up. Paula is cranky that Pedro hung up the Virgen. Pedro fills Paula in on the trip to DF. Paula is grouchy that they've gone on vacation while she's stuck there. She declines to go with the guys to the mercado. Once they've left, she pulls her cell phone out of her cleavage and calls the big house. Paula tells Ezequiel she needs Roberto's cell phone number. Dun, dun, dun.
Raquel takes Uli to his new apartment. She's rented it for a whole year. She asks whether they should break it in in the living room or the bedroom. Uli wants to do it riiiiight here.
Roberto comes to pick up Paula. He thanks her for saving him from a boring day of doing nothing. She won't invite him in because it's "espantoso" (horrific). She doesn't care where they go, just anywhere. So off they go, holding hands.
Erick goes to Meche and Gabriel's old place, but they're not there. He goes over to his cousin's. He claims to be nervous about them having disappeared, cause if they say anything to Alex, he and the cousin are in big trouble. The cousin says maybe they went to see their aunt in Xalapa.
Paula and Roberto are out at the beach. Paula tells Roberto that Alex and MJ went to DF. Roberto is confused because he thought MJ was too weak to travel. He orders them a couple of drinks. He tells Paula that as hard as she tries, she can't resist being friends with him. Paula agrees that now she does think they're friends.
In DF, the judge thinks that Alex is being way too generous with MJ. Alex says it's because she's having his baby. The judge asks MJ and Alex if they want to divorce. They both say yes without meaning it. The lawyer gives the judge a letter where Alex and MJ have stated that they'll submit to the jurisdiction of the DF so they can "prescindir" (dispense with) the need for "juntas de avenencia" (settlement or mediation meetings). The judge tells them that since they want the express divorce, they need to come to 1 meeting just to confirm that there's no possibility of reconciling. Then they have to wait a month for the sentence to come down. Alex asks if there isn't any way to speed things up. He claims he's going out of the country in a couple of weeks and he doesn't want any loose ends. The judge says they'll do what they can to speed things up. I kinda like Alex playing dirty. And as Mr. 5ft keeps saying, now they can get remarried, and in the church this time.
In the car, Alex tells MJ they'll be divorced in a few weeks. She's so pouty he tells her he has a surprise for her--they're going to a concert.
Fernando comes downstairs to see Katia dancing around the living room with her iPod. When he says he's going to the Lombardo's she asks why--since Alex isn't there. Fernando asks her if she has a boyfriend, cause if she does, he'd like to meet the guy. She asks him when he's going to officially introduce her to his girlfriend or lover or whatever--cause if it's Vicky, she thinks it's ridiculous. He tells her to shut it. She tells him that if she's not allowed to ask about his girlfriend then he can't ask about her boyfriend. Fernando starts in on the "well, I'm your older brother" speech as Mr. 5ft comments that Fernando will be the stepdad to his sister's boyfriend. Thank you so much for that mental image. Fernando tells her if she doesn't behave herself, she'll have to be sent away to school again. Bratia counters that if he keeps dating old hags, he'll have to consult a psychiatrist..."cuckoo!" Fer leaves and Katia calls Bruno, but gets his voicemail.
Bruno is talking to Fake!Mario. FM says he's out of money, but Bruno doesn't care anymore. If MF (oops, I mean FM!) needs to squeeze somebody, he can call Uli or Maura or whoever. And he doesn't care anymore about what he told FM before--that he wasn't to get in touch with them again. He hangs up on FM and takes a call from Katia. Katia gripes that she's sick of Fernando and she wants to tell him that she's going out with Bruno so he'll back off. Bruno says it's not time yet. He wants to know if she found out anything more about what Alex is up to. Katia says she didn't because "la gorda de Mari" (that fat [beeyotch] Mari) wouldn't speak to her anymore. So that would make her, what "la ramera de Katia?" "la metiche de Katia?" Bruno is sure that Alex and MaryJo are plotting something to hurt him and that Fernando knows about it. Bruno convinces Katia to hack into Fernando's computer and see if she can find anything useful. Not that she needed a lot of convincing.
In front of Fernando, Vicky tells Hernán, via phone, that she's grateful for the offer, but she's really, really, not in the mood to go out tonight. He keeps trying to convince her to go out, assuming that she's holing up in the house alone, as opposed to cuddling with Fernando. He just won't take no for an answer. She finally says she'll go out with him the day after tomorrow. He tells her he'll take her to the best restaurant in town. She hangs up. Fernando is upset, but Vicky says she ran out of excuses to say no. Fernando says she should have used him as the excuse, but Vicky isn't yet ready to publicly admit her cougar status. Fernando doesn't like her giving hope to that "viejo rabo verde" (dirty old man). Awww, they're having their first couple fight. Vicky thinks she's just being friendly, but Fernando knows what Hernán is really after. Vicky says she's not going to put up with him complaining over something so silly. Fernando claims not to be jealous, but Vicky has had enough and isn't going to do things just to please him. She dismisses him, saying she needs to rest now. Okay, cue the violins and the sucking up. Actually, he just says he understands and leaves. It almost looked like Vicky was going to tell him not to, but instead she beats on her desk. Hey, what did that desk ever do to you? Poor thing's had to listen to so much vacillation in the last few months, and then to get beat on top of it. It just ain't right.
Katia can't get past Fernando's password. It's probably "sex1v1ct0ria" or something.
Uli thanks Maura for her prior financial support, but he's got a new sugar mama now. Uli is cagey about telling her where he's living or who's paying for it. His cell phone rings, but he doesn't recognize the number. He answers it and it's Fake!Mario, aka, Mateo. FM thinks the story of where he's been would interest them, as long as they can pay him.
In the hotel room, Alex tells MaryJo that they have to meet with the judge tomorrow to confirm that they really do want a divorce. Then he has to go back to living the way he did before to prove that their separation is credible. MaryJo doesn't like the idea of him going out and seeing Maura. Alex reminds her that he really loves her and the rest is a farce. He says she's the only one in his heart. MJ says she can't help being jealous. Alex says they'll always be together. Smoochies.
Fake!Mario tells Maura and Ulises that the guy who paid him called himself "Mario Aguirre." He's experiencing a cash flow shortage now that "Mario" won't pay him anymore and he figures that Maura and Uli will pay to keep him from going to Alex with what he knows. He tells them to call when they've come to a decision, and then leaves, undoubtedly sticking them with the check. Ulises is washing his hands of the whole matter. He figures all he did was do a favor for Maura. In other words, if someone's going to pay, it's going to be her. Maura says she's sure the guy will want a lot of money and she'll just end up having to pay and pay and pay. Uli says he doesn't know what to do, but he'll help her if she needs it. Riiiight. As long as it doesn't mean forking over any dough, right?
In the Auditorio Nacional, Alex and MaryJo have come to see…El Divo in concert. Watch out for flying underwear and hotel key cards. Alex and MaryJo are busy making out. Alex takes MaryJo backstage after the concert. The boys are surprised to hear that their good buddy Al has gotten married. He introduces her to one guy in Spanish and the other three in English and then asks, on MaryJo's behalf, for a picture of her with them. She's all nervous and shaky, but she keeps from doing the big gummy smile. Alex invites the guys to his place tomorrow for dinner. MaryJo gets all giddy and tells the guys they sing great and she's a "fan" (which is the same in English as it is in Spanish).
Tomorrow: Bruno tries to find out what Alex is up to; Alex confronts Bruno and hears that Bruno hates him (no, really, I never would have guessed); Alex threatens Bruno to stay away from "his" family.
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I'm voting it was more fizzle than sizzle. Not that stuff didn't happen, but it felt more like a filler episode.
Wow, that was fast! Great job, Mrs. 5 ft. My fave line that I can't stop laughing about: Katia can't get past Fernando's password. It's probably "sex1v1ct0ria" or something.
Hahaha. Funnnny. Brilliant.
Lol thank Mr. 5 ft for the visual of Fernando as step-dad to Katia's BF. I am extremely disturbed.
It was a rather dull episode. I wanted more excitement. Your recap was amazing though. :)
i don't like the sound of Alex hanging around Maura...sounds horrible.
Hahaha. Funnnny. Brilliant.
Lol thank Mr. 5 ft for the visual of Fernando as step-dad to Katia's BF. I am extremely disturbed.
It was a rather dull episode. I wanted more excitement. Your recap was amazing though. :)
i don't like the sound of Alex hanging around Maura...sounds horrible.
Kat - thank you for the funny, snarky recrap. My DVR stopped recording at 9:00 - during the make-out scene while the guys are singing, so I missed a lot.
My fav line - Roberto not in the mood for sausage. LOLed and woke the dog up.
My next favorite - 'Watch out for flying underwear and hotel key cards'. :o)
I think I kept hearing the phrase "tio abuelo"? What would that mean?
Great-uncle? Did I imagine this?
Wow, Chez Lombardo has valet parking for guests. What kind of car were Mau & Lis driving?
My fav line - Roberto not in the mood for sausage. LOLed and woke the dog up.
My next favorite - 'Watch out for flying underwear and hotel key cards'. :o)
I think I kept hearing the phrase "tio abuelo"? What would that mean?
Great-uncle? Did I imagine this?
Wow, Chez Lombardo has valet parking for guests. What kind of car were Mau & Lis driving?
Thanks, Kat, for your recap of a less-than-scintillating capitulo. Hope your play is still going swimmingly.
You are such a fine writer, Mrs 5ft. Tonight I thought to myself, "OK now.I think I'm safe to enjoy a glass of FrickC3 (a lovely ruby red Rhone blend). What can Kat possibly do to make me laugh out loud with such a yawner of an episode"? Lulled by this false sense of security, DH handed me a glass of wine. Then I read your take on Fernando's secret password "sex1v1ct0ria". Once again, I snorted a nose full of what I was drinking.
Having carefully set the glass down, I am now ROTFL...
You are such a fine writer, Mrs 5ft. Tonight I thought to myself, "OK now.I think I'm safe to enjoy a glass of FrickC3 (a lovely ruby red Rhone blend). What can Kat possibly do to make me laugh out loud with such a yawner of an episode"? Lulled by this false sense of security, DH handed me a glass of wine. Then I read your take on Fernando's secret password "sex1v1ct0ria". Once again, I snorted a nose full of what I was drinking.
Having carefully set the glass down, I am now ROTFL...
Kat you owe me a new keyboard!!! I spat out my coffee at "Katia can't get past Fernando's password. It's probably "sex1v1ct0ria" or something." TOO FUNNY.
Fantastic recap overall!Thank you so much for making me laugh out loud as I try to stay awake to continue my budgeting and bill paying!@!!
CubsFan
Fantastic recap overall!Thank you so much for making me laugh out loud as I try to stay awake to continue my budgeting and bill paying!@!!
CubsFan
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: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:51:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:51:00 AM EST
Cielo de Levy study, study, study and study some more pass those exams girl.
5ft Latina thanks for the recap, isn't Raquel on constant pms.
This episodes was definitely a filler, the only thing that as significant was how low Skankia would sink to do mad dog Bruno's bidding.
So let me get this straight Alex is willing to let Bruno take over the company but the majority controlling interest will be with MJ and Vicki.
He knows how incompetent Bruno is he will quickly run the company into the ground. All of the board of directors who have been bribed by Bruno will quickly changed their minds about who should be the President.
Alex will then come back to revive the company to what it is today. Has even consider what Bruno would try to do to MJ?
I like how fake Mario got kicked to the curb by Bruno, the man needs his money right now.
Then fake Mario had the nerve to threaten Maura and Useless. I can't wait to see where this plot is going.
Kudos to Alex for telling Ferdumbo his sister isn't working out and protecting his executive secretary Mari.
If only our bosses in real life could recognize the difference between a valued and conscientious worker and outright Kiss a$$.
5ft Latina thanks for the recap, isn't Raquel on constant pms.
This episodes was definitely a filler, the only thing that as significant was how low Skankia would sink to do mad dog Bruno's bidding.
So let me get this straight Alex is willing to let Bruno take over the company but the majority controlling interest will be with MJ and Vicki.
He knows how incompetent Bruno is he will quickly run the company into the ground. All of the board of directors who have been bribed by Bruno will quickly changed their minds about who should be the President.
Alex will then come back to revive the company to what it is today. Has even consider what Bruno would try to do to MJ?
I like how fake Mario got kicked to the curb by Bruno, the man needs his money right now.
Then fake Mario had the nerve to threaten Maura and Useless. I can't wait to see where this plot is going.
Kudos to Alex for telling Ferdumbo his sister isn't working out and protecting his executive secretary Mari.
If only our bosses in real life could recognize the difference between a valued and conscientious worker and outright Kiss a$$.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:51:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:51:00 AM EST
Talk about filler! The first 5 - 7 minutes tonight were reruns from last night. I'm having FELS flashbacks.
I am a hetero female and after your comment about Roberto not in the mood for sausage tonight. Me neither.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:07:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:07:00 AM EST
Maura ride is a Ferrari convertible the girl does have money too.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:18:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:18:00 AM EST
Anon, ROFL, I had to make time for Sortilegio. just finished the first draft of my research paper, and I am exhausted. I'm all studied out for tonight. :-) thanks for your concern. btw, super glad that Alex told Fernando about Katia as well.
thanks Elna for wishing me luck earlier. I read your comment, but I didn't get a chance to respond.
Last official day of class tomorrow. I'm gonna get some sleep.
Note to self: Control. You can live a week without spending your time on Caray...(?)
lol good night guys.
thanks Elna for wishing me luck earlier. I read your comment, but I didn't get a chance to respond.
Last official day of class tomorrow. I'm gonna get some sleep.
Note to self: Control. You can live a week without spending your time on Caray...(?)
lol good night guys.
Cielo de Levy nothing less than passing grades will suffice good luck once again.
Here i thought Ferdumbo password was cougarsjustluvthem.
Here i thought Ferdumbo password was cougarsjustluvthem.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:38:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:38:00 AM EST
Doris Maura ride is a peugeot convertible something like this one http://www.in.gr/auto/dokimes/pr_dokimes_ae/foto_big/Peugeot_307CC_Paris_01.jpg
sorry anon :)))
sorry anon :)))
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:50:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:50:00 AM EST
Anon i'm not upset at all thank you for the correction. earlier she was driving a Ferrari though because i was curious myself like Doris.
I even went on youtube to confirm it at the time.
they even changed Bruno's car at one point didn't they? He was driving a silver Porsche and then it became a white BMW.
Maybe i need my eyes checked again.
It must be effected by the Lombardos technicolors mansion.Maura's Barbie playhouse living room decor. Sorry.
I even went on youtube to confirm it at the time.
they even changed Bruno's car at one point didn't they? He was driving a silver Porsche and then it became a white BMW.
Maybe i need my eyes checked again.
It must be effected by the Lombardos technicolors mansion.Maura's Barbie playhouse living room decor. Sorry.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:03:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:03:00 AM EST
Another great recap! Tell Mr 5ft he's a great addition to the team. I'm very very tired of Fernando and Victoria. blah blah blah. Alex however is the first smart galan I've seen in --- ? how long? when was the last time one of our galanes had two brain cells to rub together?
Good Lord! the stuff you come up with Kat! I would have loved to be sitting in the back row with you in school, hearing your sotto voce remarks about the teacher and everyone else in class. We would have always been in trouble. (and I would have been waaaay too old to be in school with you, but whatever...)
Anyway, add me to the throng of people who loved Fernando's password. When you get done acting in this play, maybe you should write one yourself. You have a strange and wonderful mind, amiga.
Anyway, add me to the throng of people who loved Fernando's password. When you get done acting in this play, maybe you should write one yourself. You have a strange and wonderful mind, amiga.
Thanks, 5ft~~~ Uh-oh...Al tells MJ that he will be returning to his previous lifestyle to make the divorce look for realz...I guess that means that we'll have to endure scenes of Maura wrapped around him at every possible opportunity. Bleeeccchhh And who knew that Bratia was a hacker. Maybe Fernono's password is Imnottooyoungdamit. Paula and Roberto o o are now BFF....probably because Paula has No other friends. I had the same thought as you did that the new hovel is looking more and more like the old hovel. What does Paula have against the Vigincita ??? Uh-oh, Paula, let's show a little respect if you want to avoid an anvil with your name on it. Raq has a very low EQ. She is not a people person. I get a kick out of the characters moving around so much. Uli has now been transported to another paid-for-pad and seems to have gone from Maura's payroll to Raq's. Mj and her family have bobbed around throughout this novela ..back and forth between poverty and luxury . Like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, Paula's mantra is ''There's no place like Alex's home.'' Let the games begin as Alex resumes his single guy status.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 7:19:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 7:19:00 AM EST
Kat, a fast an excellent recap. I don't know how you do it. You must be up late at night doing this for us. I am commenting on doris' comment of Monday's recap, when she said that Estrala's? novelas always have something going on in each episode. I have watched about 7 Novelas so far and this is the first I have seen that each night it is exciting. There is always some action going on. Regarding comments about Tuesday's show, I am worried too that MJ may be locked up someplace for a while. Look at Manana es para siempre. It happened there and probably in others as well.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 7:39:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 7:39:00 AM EST
Kat, a fast an excellent recap. I don't know how you do it. You must be up late at night doing this for us. I am commenting on doris' comment of Monday's recap, when she said that Estrala's? novelas always have something going on in each episode. I have watched about 7 Novelas so far and this is the first I have seen that each night it is exciting. There is always some action going on. Regarding comments about Tuesday's show, I am worried too that MJ may be locked up someplace for a while. Look at Manana es para siempre. It happened there and probably in others as well.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 7:39:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 7:39:00 AM EST
PS Know you all are busy (especially Cielo de Levy with finals) but if you have time, check out Stephe's Monday recap of Gancho. She was filling in for Carlos who is on vacation and did a terrific job.
Kat- That was such a funny recap! So many good lines that had me chuckling as I drank my morning tea. :)
Quick thoughts before rushing off to work:
-Vicky is now just toying with Fernando. Making a date with another man with him in the same room, kissing and hugging on him, while at the same time telling him they can't be together, refusing to go out in public with him, but accepting basically a booty call from him in the secrecy/privacy of her house...I would be a bit ticked if I were Nando.
-Paula, Paula, Paula- Why was she upset that MJ would dare go on a trip with her own husband/soon to be papa of her child? It's none of her business and MJ owes her nothing!
-Oh Raquel, what to say? There are no words.
-Useless continues to do what he does best, mooching of people and taking no responsibility for anything. It seems like Bobo is not putting up with his crap anymore.
-I continue to be intrigued by the relationship between Bobo and Paula. He doesn't seem to be making obviuos moves on her. If I didn't know all the other dispicable stuff he's done, I would have said the hand-holding was sweet. He's certainly after information from her, but what else?
-Describing Maura and Lisette as the Kardashians (as many here have called them) really is accurate. Those girls are just "mean girls."
-Parfect title Kat, because Alex really is doing as much as humanly possible to soften the blow of the divorce for MJ- well, aside from mentioning that he needs to "pretend" to go back to his former playboy lifestyle. Backstage access to Il Divo, and inviting them to your house! Plus, lots of hugs and kisses. I'm sold! ;)
-Vivi in DC
Quick thoughts before rushing off to work:
-Vicky is now just toying with Fernando. Making a date with another man with him in the same room, kissing and hugging on him, while at the same time telling him they can't be together, refusing to go out in public with him, but accepting basically a booty call from him in the secrecy/privacy of her house...I would be a bit ticked if I were Nando.
-Paula, Paula, Paula- Why was she upset that MJ would dare go on a trip with her own husband/soon to be papa of her child? It's none of her business and MJ owes her nothing!
-Oh Raquel, what to say? There are no words.
-Useless continues to do what he does best, mooching of people and taking no responsibility for anything. It seems like Bobo is not putting up with his crap anymore.
-I continue to be intrigued by the relationship between Bobo and Paula. He doesn't seem to be making obviuos moves on her. If I didn't know all the other dispicable stuff he's done, I would have said the hand-holding was sweet. He's certainly after information from her, but what else?
-Describing Maura and Lisette as the Kardashians (as many here have called them) really is accurate. Those girls are just "mean girls."
-Parfect title Kat, because Alex really is doing as much as humanly possible to soften the blow of the divorce for MJ- well, aside from mentioning that he needs to "pretend" to go back to his former playboy lifestyle. Backstage access to Il Divo, and inviting them to your house! Plus, lots of hugs and kisses. I'm sold! ;)
-Vivi in DC
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 8:21:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 8:21:00 AM EST
5Ft. you are a danger to my laptop! or I just have to remember not to be drinking my morning coffee as I read your recaps. Absolutely hysterical as usual.
It was a bit of a snooze episode though more light hearted than EDNA. (Gees, that one needs to lighten up somewhere.) Sortilegio seem to always have an episode or two like that before some major upsets. Catastrophe should be just around the corner.
Fer and Vicki were sort of "cute". He seemed genuinely surprised when she greeted him with the big hug. Love him calling Hernan " a dirty old man" as opposed to being, what Fer, a dirty young man? Aren't you both after the same thing, hmmmmmmm?
And Raquel, really. She must go through half her monthly allowance in just getting glasses replaced. Is it me, or is she reverting back to her teen years with the whining, temper tandrums and giggling? What's next, a sleep over with Katia. They can compare "ick" notes on their boyfriends.
This whole divorce scenario will be setting up all sorts of possibilities. Can't wait to see which way they move the plot lines.
It was a bit of a snooze episode though more light hearted than EDNA. (Gees, that one needs to lighten up somewhere.) Sortilegio seem to always have an episode or two like that before some major upsets. Catastrophe should be just around the corner.
Fer and Vicki were sort of "cute". He seemed genuinely surprised when she greeted him with the big hug. Love him calling Hernan " a dirty old man" as opposed to being, what Fer, a dirty young man? Aren't you both after the same thing, hmmmmmmm?
And Raquel, really. She must go through half her monthly allowance in just getting glasses replaced. Is it me, or is she reverting back to her teen years with the whining, temper tandrums and giggling? What's next, a sleep over with Katia. They can compare "ick" notes on their boyfriends.
This whole divorce scenario will be setting up all sorts of possibilities. Can't wait to see which way they move the plot lines.
Kat, thanks so much for your recap. I too like Fernono's password! So glad it kept Bratia from getting info off is computer. Continue to enjoy your play.
Cielo - I know its hard to stay away from Caray but we'll be here when you get back. Best wishes with exams, papers, etc.
Doris - tio abuelo was what one of the children from Tontas used to call his uncle.
The possibilities for disaster with this divorce scheme are endless. And I'm with those of you who don't want to live through seeing Maura coiled around Alex any time soon.
Cielo - I know its hard to stay away from Caray but we'll be here when you get back. Best wishes with exams, papers, etc.
Doris - tio abuelo was what one of the children from Tontas used to call his uncle.
The possibilities for disaster with this divorce scheme are endless. And I'm with those of you who don't want to live through seeing Maura coiled around Alex any time soon.
Mrs. 5ft....What can I say? I hate to be a copy cat but, the "sex1v1ct0ria was hilarioius and outstanding. Please, please please think about WRITING, you have an incredible mind for ironic comedy.
Well, I knew it, Maura and Alex will be in loving embraces again, he as well as said it! In talking with my Spanish speaking friends they said " será tan feo" and I agree.
In this novela, I notice that they use ingeniero as a title as we would use "Doctor" Jones. Is that what they are doing? It is very charming.
I have said before, "He who predicts the outcomes of a telenovela..... is a fool," but it looks like they are, for the time being anyway, putting Paula and Roberto together. I have always thought that holding hands is a very silent, but very strong message...we love each other, we are comfortable together. You even see hand holding quite often in very old couples. For me that was a strong message.
Anon 7:39...agree, please no manicomio scenes!!
Well, I knew it, Maura and Alex will be in loving embraces again, he as well as said it! In talking with my Spanish speaking friends they said " será tan feo" and I agree.
In this novela, I notice that they use ingeniero as a title as we would use "Doctor" Jones. Is that what they are doing? It is very charming.
I have said before, "He who predicts the outcomes of a telenovela..... is a fool," but it looks like they are, for the time being anyway, putting Paula and Roberto together. I have always thought that holding hands is a very silent, but very strong message...we love each other, we are comfortable together. You even see hand holding quite often in very old couples. For me that was a strong message.
Anon 7:39...agree, please no manicomio scenes!!
Whooeee Everyone is weighing in on the recap--better than the episodio. Cheers.
Fer-no-no is turning into a Fer-yes-yes. He'll do anything Vic wants, albeit with some protestations. I hope he gets home (since he was dismissed early) in time to catch Katia at the computer. Love the passwords. Ugh on the kissy-face with Vic. Gabriel Soto knows darn well how to kiss meaningfully (see Querida Enemiga). There must be a lack of chemistry between these two. Ale & MJ make absolutely convincing lovers.
How much thicker will the plot get? It's already thicker than posole. Mateo, Mau, Uli, Pete, Chucho, Meche and Gabe all seem to be heading for the same pot of soup that Bruno has been stirring. Alex adds the spices.
Il Divo was a surprise. I'm glad I taped it--it will have to be preserved for ever. I saw them years ago on the Young and the Restless. They are still very guapo.
Estrada's costs must have been sky-high paying for every glass object Raque throws. (On the other hand, helicopter rides are pretty expensive, too. Did anyone notice that Alex got in the front seat next to the pilot, but in the following scene the seat is empty?)
Yes, I agree that Robo and Pau seemed genuinely happy spending the afternoon together. It saves us from all the whining.
Newbie in MD
Fer-no-no is turning into a Fer-yes-yes. He'll do anything Vic wants, albeit with some protestations. I hope he gets home (since he was dismissed early) in time to catch Katia at the computer. Love the passwords. Ugh on the kissy-face with Vic. Gabriel Soto knows darn well how to kiss meaningfully (see Querida Enemiga). There must be a lack of chemistry between these two. Ale & MJ make absolutely convincing lovers.
How much thicker will the plot get? It's already thicker than posole. Mateo, Mau, Uli, Pete, Chucho, Meche and Gabe all seem to be heading for the same pot of soup that Bruno has been stirring. Alex adds the spices.
Il Divo was a surprise. I'm glad I taped it--it will have to be preserved for ever. I saw them years ago on the Young and the Restless. They are still very guapo.
Estrada's costs must have been sky-high paying for every glass object Raque throws. (On the other hand, helicopter rides are pretty expensive, too. Did anyone notice that Alex got in the front seat next to the pilot, but in the following scene the seat is empty?)
Yes, I agree that Robo and Pau seemed genuinely happy spending the afternoon together. It saves us from all the whining.
Newbie in MD
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 9:10:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 9:10:00 AM EST
Oh, P.S. I think tio abuelo IS great uncle.
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Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 9:12:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 9:12:00 AM EST
A Tio Abuelo is the brother of your grandfather.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 9:49:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 9:49:00 AM EST
I thought Roberto came across as a big older brother towards Paula. I don't see him crossing that line because MJ would be very upset about the situation.
That in turn will make Alex upset and he's the one controlling the purse strings. Roberto is not going have his pesos cut off.
That in turn will make Alex upset and he's the one controlling the purse strings. Roberto is not going have his pesos cut off.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 10:47:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 10:47:00 AM EST
Great, over-the-top funny recap, Kat. Thanks. You made the episode more interesting by recapping it. Although I agree that this TN has about 100 times more continuity and pacing than FELS ever had.
Am just NOT understanding Alex' anvil-laden plan and can only see problems ahead. One problem is that the company will be in the dumper immediately upon Bruno assuming the presidency! (No doubt he'll replace trusty Mary with Katia and that little inept, spoiled little bigot will be in charge of the front office...)
Also am not understanding the possible return of fake Mario. Guess I have to stay tuned.
Am just NOT understanding Alex' anvil-laden plan and can only see problems ahead. One problem is that the company will be in the dumper immediately upon Bruno assuming the presidency! (No doubt he'll replace trusty Mary with Katia and that little inept, spoiled little bigot will be in charge of the front office...)
Also am not understanding the possible return of fake Mario. Guess I have to stay tuned.
Anon 10:47.."big brother" It comes down to the question in the Meg Ryan movie, "When Harry Met Sally," are men and women ever just friends? In other words, what does Roberto want from the relationship? I hope you're right, but if you aren't and he makes his moves, for some reason, I think Paula can handle herself!
Oddly enough, for someone my age (Vicky or there abouts) I don't have men friends. I think some of the younger generation can and do have male/female friendships.
Oddly enough, for someone my age (Vicky or there abouts) I don't have men friends. I think some of the younger generation can and do have male/female friendships.
Even though we know it won't happen, there could be a huge flaw in Alex's plan. Sth could happen to MJ & Pedro & Paula would end up with Inmobilaria Lombardo, since they are divorced. So the plan is really estupido.
And MJ is worried about Alex's single life when she has all his dinero?????
Loved Il Divo, wish it had been longer.
Tks Kat, great recap.
And MJ is worried about Alex's single life when she has all his dinero?????
Loved Il Divo, wish it had been longer.
Tks Kat, great recap.
Sandy there is a difference when a guy acts brotherly towards you instead of being a friend. That's the vibe i picked up from Roberto.
Maybe at the beginning he was looking at Paula differently, now i see a sort of change in his actions with her.
He probably is still pumping her for information, for his benefit of course.
I don't see him crossing that line with her because he would have too much to lose. As long as he has stayed with Raquel do you honestly believe he would ruin his good life to have a affair with Paula.?
Maybe at the beginning he was looking at Paula differently, now i see a sort of change in his actions with her.
He probably is still pumping her for information, for his benefit of course.
I don't see him crossing that line with her because he would have too much to lose. As long as he has stayed with Raquel do you honestly believe he would ruin his good life to have a affair with Paula.?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 12:57:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 12:57:00 PM EST
I may be way off base, but I haven't commented in a while so here goes. Maybe Roberto and Paula will one of the few somewhat normal relationships in this Sortilegioland...big brother/little sister. They're both sort of incidental to what's happening all around them. If they pooled their knowledge, they could bring some insight to the whole thing. Just a thought. This much is probably true: their joint part in the plot is going somewhere. I just hope Paula isn't a victim.
Could someone please explaim why katia who claimed that Vicky was like a mother to her when she first showed up now talks about Vicky with so little respect. I could understand if she actually had proof that Fer and Vicky was a couple but she hasnt seen them together or is she just a follower and going along with what Raq's extended tantrum?
Could Alex have given the money to the baby? and appointed himself as conservator of the estate
Could Alex have given the money to the baby? and appointed himself as conservator of the estate
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:19:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:19:00 PM EST
Thanks Kat for a most intertaining recap. The recaps are what makes me enjoy this telenovela to the max. I'd miss so much otherwise.
I'm going to put Alex's status as "smartest galan" on hold until I see how this plan is going to work out. At this point it seems much too elaborate a plan merely to satisfy the likes of Bruno!
I like the way Jardinera described Alex's determination to keep his promise to Bruno as Alex being "hogtied to principal".
I'm sure this plan will work in the long run. But in the meantime It's bound to keep us sitting on the edge of our seats and biting our nails when Bruno has his say.
I'm going to put Alex's status as "smartest galan" on hold until I see how this plan is going to work out. At this point it seems much too elaborate a plan merely to satisfy the likes of Bruno!
I like the way Jardinera described Alex's determination to keep his promise to Bruno as Alex being "hogtied to principal".
I'm sure this plan will work in the long run. But in the meantime It's bound to keep us sitting on the edge of our seats and biting our nails when Bruno has his say.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:28:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:28:00 PM EST
Beth i can't read Paula feelings about Roberto but that brotherly vibe Roberto was giving towards her i definitely felt that.
Ebony Katia along with Raquel caught Vicki and Ferdumbo in a restaurant together. She was tenderly touching his face that's why Katia is saying all her nonsense about Vicki.
Yet in still she has no right to dictate to her older brother who he should see.
Good point about the baby, maybe he would have done that but the baby isn't born yet. We don't know what might happen to it or MJ now that Alex has put her in control of the money.
We know Bruno is willing to kill.
Ebony Katia along with Raquel caught Vicki and Ferdumbo in a restaurant together. She was tenderly touching his face that's why Katia is saying all her nonsense about Vicki.
Yet in still she has no right to dictate to her older brother who he should see.
Good point about the baby, maybe he would have done that but the baby isn't born yet. We don't know what might happen to it or MJ now that Alex has put her in control of the money.
We know Bruno is willing to kill.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:30:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:30:00 PM EST
Anon 10:47:00 am est - I too think Rob and Pau are just gonna be like bro/sis.... very sweet.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:47:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 1:47:00 PM EST
Kat, that was yet another super recap. I enjoyed the little details, like "jump in the fake lake" and Raquel "having a moment with a peacock feather." A feather is a good companion for her--equal brain power and can listen endlessly to her complaints.
Now I think better of Fernando, knowing that he has a little ranch in the country and a password that Katia couldn't hack. Liked your password suggestion.
Having Alex as a husband is such a sweet deal, what with a helicopter and Il Divo on call. (And that's not even counting his hotness.)
Now to see how this divorce works out. Probably not as they planned.
La Paloma
Now I think better of Fernando, knowing that he has a little ranch in the country and a password that Katia couldn't hack. Liked your password suggestion.
Having Alex as a husband is such a sweet deal, what with a helicopter and Il Divo on call. (And that's not even counting his hotness.)
Now to see how this divorce works out. Probably not as they planned.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:01:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:01:00 PM EST
Maybe Alex should put the company in Chuchu's name? Give him a few bucks and he's happy and he seems to be able to take care of himself just keep him away from bars.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:06:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:06:00 PM EST
Ebony Chucho too funny.L a Plaoma the feather being a good companion for Raquel ROFL.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:18:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:18:00 PM EST
Anon and Sandy:
"I am worried too that MJ may be locked up someplace for a while. Look at Manana es para siempre".
Manana (being my first telenovela) made an indelible impression on me. Bruno is not nearly as evil as Barbara, maybe, with effort in a few years he could be in her league. It seems that ENDA's Carloca may be the baddest queen of all, between the purple and the poison and the stairs and all.
But I hate the anvil hanging over MJ right now. You know, it wouldn't be ok with me, pregnant and all, to have my hunka-hunka burning ex-husband out acting the playboy. Not at all.
And some help from Vivi here, I do not fully understand the Kardashians reference. I know Robert Kardashian was one of OJ Simpson's attys and I see the photos of the sisters (his kids?) in the tabloids. Isn't there one sister who can balance a full plate on her back assets? Now that is natural talent! But I haven't followed their reality exploits etc. and did not know that they were mean as well as well-endowed.
I think we have reached the absurd (or perhaps the limitations of a production budget) with the idea that Maura and Lissette live in that white mansion that is always shown before we see the cheap set of the Barbie pad. Where are Mommy and Daddy? In Manana Erika lived with her parents in the grand hacienda. If you were twenty-thirty something would you live with just your sister in a palace like "the white house" or maybe something a little more "young"? I am tired of the sisters for sure. I really must learn how to use my DVR so I can FF through their scenes.
Finally, the fashions in this telenovela seem almost comical. Every dress that Maura wears is the halter-bubble style, which, although perhaps the height of fashion now, will look ridiculous when this TN is reviewed in a few years. Pedro with his untucked shirt (loser) and Chucho with his shirt nattily tied at the waist both look silly. EZ wears his 60's nehru jackets with pride, Paula is always falling out of her t-shirts and toppling about on her sky-high wedges and all the men's trousers are skin tight. (The last issue does not bother me too much). Maybe that is why they have to re-make the telenovelas so often—because looking back at the fashion choices of a few years previous is too distracting.
I will say this, Victoria and Fernando usually look great.
Elna, grumpy as usual with the wardrobe department.
"I am worried too that MJ may be locked up someplace for a while. Look at Manana es para siempre".
Manana (being my first telenovela) made an indelible impression on me. Bruno is not nearly as evil as Barbara, maybe, with effort in a few years he could be in her league. It seems that ENDA's Carloca may be the baddest queen of all, between the purple and the poison and the stairs and all.
But I hate the anvil hanging over MJ right now. You know, it wouldn't be ok with me, pregnant and all, to have my hunka-hunka burning ex-husband out acting the playboy. Not at all.
And some help from Vivi here, I do not fully understand the Kardashians reference. I know Robert Kardashian was one of OJ Simpson's attys and I see the photos of the sisters (his kids?) in the tabloids. Isn't there one sister who can balance a full plate on her back assets? Now that is natural talent! But I haven't followed their reality exploits etc. and did not know that they were mean as well as well-endowed.
I think we have reached the absurd (or perhaps the limitations of a production budget) with the idea that Maura and Lissette live in that white mansion that is always shown before we see the cheap set of the Barbie pad. Where are Mommy and Daddy? In Manana Erika lived with her parents in the grand hacienda. If you were twenty-thirty something would you live with just your sister in a palace like "the white house" or maybe something a little more "young"? I am tired of the sisters for sure. I really must learn how to use my DVR so I can FF through their scenes.
Finally, the fashions in this telenovela seem almost comical. Every dress that Maura wears is the halter-bubble style, which, although perhaps the height of fashion now, will look ridiculous when this TN is reviewed in a few years. Pedro with his untucked shirt (loser) and Chucho with his shirt nattily tied at the waist both look silly. EZ wears his 60's nehru jackets with pride, Paula is always falling out of her t-shirts and toppling about on her sky-high wedges and all the men's trousers are skin tight. (The last issue does not bother me too much). Maybe that is why they have to re-make the telenovelas so often—because looking back at the fashion choices of a few years previous is too distracting.
I will say this, Victoria and Fernando usually look great.
Elna, grumpy as usual with the wardrobe department.
Elna did you see Useless in his bright blue members only jacket. I was like for real who the heck dresses like that in this day in age.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:51:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:51:00 PM EST
Ive been watching La Dama de Troya and noticed that some of the ranch hands wear their shirts tied like chuchu. maybe the director is triing to emphasize that he is more of a worker or country boy than Pedro who wears his shirt out and loose and didnt work.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:51:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 2:51:00 PM EST
Thanks for the great recap! Yeah, the wardrobe is kind of strange, I think the pants on the men sometimes look uncomfortably tight, or a little short. Love all the wild colors inside the houses though. LOL at giving Chucho the money - he couldn't exactly carry it all around and flash it in a bar, but I think it would be dangerous. Bobo and Pau -it does seem sweet and sibling-like, though I'm not sure.
Mrs. 5ft Latina -- i just love your recaps.
Thanks for saying the make of the sisters' car. I was wondering what Fernando was driving??? a BMW suv???
Does Alex speak perfect English or does he have a bit of foreign accent???
I hope Fernando catches skanky Katia at his laptop...
Ann-NYC
Thanks for saying the make of the sisters' car. I was wondering what Fernando was driving??? a BMW suv???
Does Alex speak perfect English or does he have a bit of foreign accent???
I hope Fernando catches skanky Katia at his laptop...
Ann-NYC
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:13:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:13:00 PM EST
I don't know if the accent isn't being done on purpose or not. Ivy that's what i felt when Roberto and Paula were holding hands too.
Even though they aren't related i have had many brotherly type of relationship with men. So that's what i was picking up.
Even though they aren't related i have had many brotherly type of relationship with men. So that's what i was picking up.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:26:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:26:00 PM EST
I have a number of good friends who are men, whom I have absolutely no romantic interest in and I'm pretty sure they feel the same about me. (I'm 32).
Paula and Roberto seem pretty platonic to me. She just wants some company, and for him she's a better option than his other nasty friends. I don't think she'd get romantically interested in a man unless he had a lot more money.
Paula and Roberto seem pretty platonic to me. She just wants some company, and for him she's a better option than his other nasty friends. I don't think she'd get romantically interested in a man unless he had a lot more money.
Good question on Alex's English. Sigh. I could only hope someday to speak Spanish with 'just a bit' of a foreign accent.
Speaking of accents—Jarocha and others who live in Mexico and all ye Caraylanders who actually SPEAK Spanish, perhaps you could talk a little about regional accents in Mexico and beyond.
I can clearly hear the difference between Alex's accent (Cubano? and difficult for me to grock) and, say, Bruno's. Victoria is very easy for me to understand I think because she enunciates so well. Fernando's accent is very sibilant with the "th" thing happening with the letter "s". Is Fernando's accent common in Mexico? Once, when I spent some time in Andalucia I finally developed an ear for that accent but last year in Madrid I found the sibilant thing so pronounced that I was always about 10 words behind anybody who was talking.
I can't understand Hugo Chavez when he talks (Venezuelan) but sometimes folks from Columbia or Chile sound as clear as a bell to me.
Is there a standard "BBC" type of Mexican Spanish? Does American English have a big influence in Mexican Spanish? I know they have the Academy in Spain to keep Castilian more "pure". Also, what about class differences as well as regional ones in the way the language is spoken?
I would love to hear from all of you fluent Spanish speakers.
Speaking of accents—Jarocha and others who live in Mexico and all ye Caraylanders who actually SPEAK Spanish, perhaps you could talk a little about regional accents in Mexico and beyond.
I can clearly hear the difference between Alex's accent (Cubano? and difficult for me to grock) and, say, Bruno's. Victoria is very easy for me to understand I think because she enunciates so well. Fernando's accent is very sibilant with the "th" thing happening with the letter "s". Is Fernando's accent common in Mexico? Once, when I spent some time in Andalucia I finally developed an ear for that accent but last year in Madrid I found the sibilant thing so pronounced that I was always about 10 words behind anybody who was talking.
I can't understand Hugo Chavez when he talks (Venezuelan) but sometimes folks from Columbia or Chile sound as clear as a bell to me.
Is there a standard "BBC" type of Mexican Spanish? Does American English have a big influence in Mexican Spanish? I know they have the Academy in Spain to keep Castilian more "pure". Also, what about class differences as well as regional ones in the way the language is spoken?
I would love to hear from all of you fluent Spanish speakers.
Do you think Paula telling BOBO MJ went to D>F> might somehow get back to Bruno???
Ann-NYC
Ann-NYC
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:49:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:49:00 PM EST
I love trying to figure out what's going to happen. Some things are very predictable and others keep us guessing. Maybe the Roberto/Paula thing is to help drive Raquel off the edge (short drive). She's such a lose canon...kinda scares me. Also Bruno will probably somehow use this to blackmail someone. Seems that's all he knows how to do.
Beth with Raquel it would be a short drive LOL.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:53:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:53:00 PM EST
Julia, your comment about Paula not being interested in someone unless they had a lot of money made me think maybe she and Roberto might plot together to get some. That's another thing they have in common...no money of their own. Maybe he realizes that she's another avenue into the Lombardo wealth, now that Raq is going to saq him.
Anon 12:57.."I don't see him crossing that line with her because he would have too much to lose."
Beth: "Maybe Roberto and Paula will one of the few somewhat normal relationships in this Sortilegioland...big brother/little sister."
You both have good points. Maybe the writers plan for the relationship to stay brotherly/sisterly. It will be fun to watch for little clues to see which way everything is going. I thought they were using each other for kicks and support until they held hands. I know I'm not going to enjoy the MJ/Alex divorce, I'll concentrate on Roberto and Paula as a distraction.
Beth: "Maybe Roberto and Paula will one of the few somewhat normal relationships in this Sortilegioland...big brother/little sister."
You both have good points. Maybe the writers plan for the relationship to stay brotherly/sisterly. It will be fun to watch for little clues to see which way everything is going. I thought they were using each other for kicks and support until they held hands. I know I'm not going to enjoy the MJ/Alex divorce, I'll concentrate on Roberto and Paula as a distraction.
Anon, nice catch on the jacket. Yukamundo!
"Elna did you see Useless in his bright blue members only jacket. I was like for real who the heck dresses like that in this day in age".
"Elna did you see Useless in his bright blue members only jacket. I was like for real who the heck dresses like that in this day in age".
Great recap, Kat! You really made a so-so episode fun to revisit.
Sandy, in the Latino culture, almost everyone from middle class up has a title. People working in offices are often called "licensiado", and of course anyone in any kind of technical field is called "ingeniero" or engineer. In Destilando Amor they called Rodrigo "ingeniero" when of course he wasn't any kind of professional engineer, but he ran a tequila company. And if you're president or vice-president of something, you can be call "doctor" or "doctora", as was Lety in LFMB. Note that at work everyone calls Fernanda "arquitecto", since he's an architect, instead of Mr. ___.
BTW, if this show were in America, I don't think Alex's plan would work. You can't really give away your goods to avoid creditors or lawsuits. Unless the transfer is in the normal course of business, judges routinely void such transfers. But that would be so boring, I'm happy Alex will transfer so much to MJ. But why does he have to resume his old life so it'll look good? The whole thing is pretty flimsy, and that means it won't work. I have no idea what'll go wrong, but it should be fun to find out.
As for the fashions, I like them as wacky as possible, and so far, I haven't been disappointed.
Sandy, in the Latino culture, almost everyone from middle class up has a title. People working in offices are often called "licensiado", and of course anyone in any kind of technical field is called "ingeniero" or engineer. In Destilando Amor they called Rodrigo "ingeniero" when of course he wasn't any kind of professional engineer, but he ran a tequila company. And if you're president or vice-president of something, you can be call "doctor" or "doctora", as was Lety in LFMB. Note that at work everyone calls Fernanda "arquitecto", since he's an architect, instead of Mr. ___.
BTW, if this show were in America, I don't think Alex's plan would work. You can't really give away your goods to avoid creditors or lawsuits. Unless the transfer is in the normal course of business, judges routinely void such transfers. But that would be so boring, I'm happy Alex will transfer so much to MJ. But why does he have to resume his old life so it'll look good? The whole thing is pretty flimsy, and that means it won't work. I have no idea what'll go wrong, but it should be fun to find out.
As for the fashions, I like them as wacky as possible, and so far, I haven't been disappointed.
I agree with HdM; I like the clothes a bit wild. If people on TV dressed the way I do it would be very dull to look at.
Elna June, I am not a native Spanish speaker but I can tell you that I watched a telenovela set in Panama, and that accent was quite different from the Mexican accents I'm used to. I found it much more difficult to understand. It sounded very slurry to me, and they kind of dropped off the endings of a lot of the words. The main characters were not played by Panamanian actors, and didn't seem to be faking Panamanian accents, just using their own regular way of speaking, as nearly as I could tell.
Elna June, I am not a native Spanish speaker but I can tell you that I watched a telenovela set in Panama, and that accent was quite different from the Mexican accents I'm used to. I found it much more difficult to understand. It sounded very slurry to me, and they kind of dropped off the endings of a lot of the words. The main characters were not played by Panamanian actors, and didn't seem to be faking Panamanian accents, just using their own regular way of speaking, as nearly as I could tell.
Kat, I just re-read your recap again -- even funnier the second time. If your acting talent is 1/4 as good as your writing talent, you must have a standing ovation every night!!
Re. Paula and Roberto. I think Roberto does have genuine affection for Paula but as a little sister while Paula does have a crush on him. I have a feeling, she's just waiting for the Raquel-Roberto marriage to go bust so she can declare her true feelings. I just hope she isn't too heartbroken when she finds his dual tastes.
Interesting call by some commentators that Alex should be the one jealous & worried about MJ being footloose and fancy free with all that loot. But, maybe he figures that being pregnant, she won't attract a whole lot of suiters once she begins to show!!!
Preparing for a major ice storm & black ice road conditions because of the falling temps tonight. Here's hoping the electrity doesn't go out and I miss tonight's cap and the Caray2 blog access!!!
CubsFan
Re. Paula and Roberto. I think Roberto does have genuine affection for Paula but as a little sister while Paula does have a crush on him. I have a feeling, she's just waiting for the Raquel-Roberto marriage to go bust so she can declare her true feelings. I just hope she isn't too heartbroken when she finds his dual tastes.
Interesting call by some commentators that Alex should be the one jealous & worried about MJ being footloose and fancy free with all that loot. But, maybe he figures that being pregnant, she won't attract a whole lot of suiters once she begins to show!!!
Preparing for a major ice storm & black ice road conditions because of the falling temps tonight. Here's hoping the electrity doesn't go out and I miss tonight's cap and the Caray2 blog access!!!
CubsFan
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 4:36:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 4:36:00 PM EST
Hombre you have a peculiar fashion sense.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 4:37:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 4:37:00 PM EST
elnajunesonomoa - yes, there is a Mexican version of BBC English for Televisa. I've read about it on the T-W foros. Most of their people learn to speak clearly. That's why they're easier to understand than the 'novelas full of Venezoloanos (the hardest for me to understand) on Uni's afternoon 'novelas. I can understand most Colombians, Peruvians, and people from Mexico City D. F. The D.F. folks all probably come from the same side of town, because I've met other DFers who I could not understand. At all. Then you get the country folk. I can not understand anyone I've met from Guadalajara - their speech is very soft. Regional dialects are everywhere there, just as they are here in the U.S. You can almost tell a Texan when they talk, or an Alabama native, someone from Wisconsin, etc.
Foreigners come to the U.S. and generally have no trouble understanding New Yorkers. But bring them down here to the Say-outh (South- said with two syllables) and they're lost.
Foreigners come to the U.S. and generally have no trouble understanding New Yorkers. But bring them down here to the Say-outh (South- said with two syllables) and they're lost.
Ann NYC
Katia already told Bruno about the DF trip, but only that someone was going. But I think he'll figure out the who.
Katia already told Bruno about the DF trip, but only that someone was going. But I think he'll figure out the who.
Elna~~I don't know much Spanish, but I've had a lot of Spanishspeaking students in my classes. I once had a girl from Spain in the same class as two young guys from Mexico. She used to tell me , ''I'm speaking Spanish, but I don't know what they're speaking.'' [Same comment from my student from France who visited QUebec and told me ''That's NOT French.''] People are very proud of their mother tongue. One of my best friends is a high school Spanish teacher. She goes to Mexico every summer for vacation, and she told me that more and more English words are creeping into Mexican Spanish. Students have told me that Colombians speak a very pure Spanish. However, I have 2 Colombian guys in grammar class right now , and they speak Spanish sooo fast that I usually can't catch many words. Spanish speakers speaking English have a tendency to drop the endings of words. They also accent the wrong syllable of a lot because some Spanish words are very similar to English except a different syllable is accented. They also want to pronounce all ''s'' sounds as ''s'' instead of ''z'' sound that many English words have such as ''boys'', ''girls'' ''Susan'' . All my Spanish speakers complain about Puerto Rican Spanish. [PS~I've got to tall you my word identification: ''hotasess''...who ???...Team Mexitrash ? Bratia? Raq?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 5:04:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 5:04:00 PM EST
suZan - And the Portugese say the same thing about the Brazilians. ;o) Ah, well, there's nothing like the Queen's English, is there! (LOL) I've been told the same thing about Colombian Spanish. They are sticklers for using Usted, too, although my neighbors lament the younger generation is using Tú, much to their horror.
The Spanish speakers in our classes are terrible about dropping the 't' on negative contractions. I lecture faithfully on pronouncing the 't' in can't and tell them if they won't do it, they need to say "cannot" otherwise we think they're saying "I can". (argh)
The Spanish speakers in our classes are terrible about dropping the 't' on negative contractions. I lecture faithfully on pronouncing the 't' in can't and tell them if they won't do it, they need to say "cannot" otherwise we think they're saying "I can". (argh)
Thanks for all the information on regional accents. I belong to a Spanish conversation group and heard just last week that the "purest" form of Spanish is the one spoken in Bogota, Colombia; not all of Colombia, just Bogota. I'm very familiar with River Plate Spanish, spoken in Montevideo and Buenos Aires. It was greatly influenced by the numbers of Italian immigrants. The y- in YO or the double ll in LLUVIA are pronounced more like ZSHO or ZSHUVIA. I've noticed that several of Sortie's actors use this hard y or ll, but I don't think they come from that far south. I first noticed it on Maura. Those are my two cents.
Newbie in Md
Newbie in Md
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 5:21:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 5:21:00 PM EST
Doris~ Yes,I've had students from Portugal complain about the Portuguese spoken by the Brazilian students.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 5:32:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 5:32:00 PM EST
Really enjoying the discussion on accents. My long-term teacher (we keep repeating the class, trimester after trimester, year after year in adult high school) is from Mexico, specifically Guadalajara. I work with Mexican co-workers and watch lots of Mexican TNs so Mexican Spanish speakers are the easiest for me to understand. I find most South Americans pretty comprehensible as well, especially Colombians.
The worst of all for me are any of the countries classified as Caribbean: Cuba, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic. They tend to cut off the ends of their words, leaving the tense of the verb in doubt lots of times. I dated a guy from Cuba who referred to himself as Lui (Luis). When I was around he and his friends, I could understand about 2 words in 10. But he sure was a great dancer!
The worst of all for me are any of the countries classified as Caribbean: Cuba, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic. They tend to cut off the ends of their words, leaving the tense of the verb in doubt lots of times. I dated a guy from Cuba who referred to himself as Lui (Luis). When I was around he and his friends, I could understand about 2 words in 10. But he sure was a great dancer!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:09:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:09:00 PM EST
Hombre: Actually, to be called "Licenciado" you have to finish your Bachelor's degree from University, for spanish speakers that's called "Licenciaturas". People who study careers in ingeneering are called "Ingenieros", "Arquitecto", "Profesor" and "Contador" are also differentiated. If you study a doctorate then they call you "Doctor". If you study a Master degree they can call you "Maestro" but it's not that common, unless it's for academic or public events.
Yes, the spanish used in novelas when the character is not supposed to have a particular accent it's the standard accent. David Zepeda speaks like he does because his regional accent is very particular and he hasn't been able to shake it off entirely. I don't know why Gabriel Soto speaks like that though.
Here's some accents for other countries:
Colombia The standard is a polished version of the "rolo" accent, from Bogotá, which is the easiest to understand. I've been in Medellin and Bogotá and there's a big difference between the "rolo" and the "paisa" from Medellín. Note: If you hear someone saying "¿Como así?" in a novela, you can be sure it's from Colombia.
Argentina (for Gancho watchers those are Coni and Xime but we won't have that scene, our story is completely different from "Sos Mi Vida" now, and it has been for a while).
Venezuela.
Perú
Spain.
Jarocha
Yes, the spanish used in novelas when the character is not supposed to have a particular accent it's the standard accent. David Zepeda speaks like he does because his regional accent is very particular and he hasn't been able to shake it off entirely. I don't know why Gabriel Soto speaks like that though.
Here's some accents for other countries:
Colombia The standard is a polished version of the "rolo" accent, from Bogotá, which is the easiest to understand. I've been in Medellin and Bogotá and there's a big difference between the "rolo" and the "paisa" from Medellín. Note: If you hear someone saying "¿Como así?" in a novela, you can be sure it's from Colombia.
Argentina (for Gancho watchers those are Coni and Xime but we won't have that scene, our story is completely different from "Sos Mi Vida" now, and it has been for a while).
Venezuela.
Perú
Spain.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:22:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:22:00 PM EST
Sorry, "from" other countries.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:26:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:26:00 PM EST
Newbie in MD - My Spanish teacher from Colombia pronounced her y's and ll's the same way you describe, so I do, too, because it stuck and I had her for a couple quarters. Or years. I forget. Ack.
I put a sexy scene that I didn't meant to put. Atleast it's nothing compared to Sortilegio. Sorry.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:32:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:32:00 PM EST
Just for the record: I don't believe there's a "purest form of Spanish". If such a thing existed, then it would have to be the Spanish from Spain right? Because that's where spanish originated. But even in Spain, everybody has a specific accent according to the region they live. So what region in Spain has the purest spanish?
Saying that Spain has the purest Spanish would be saying that England has the purest English. I could get behind that if we specified the right region according to acceptable reasons.
Saying "Bogotá" has the purest Spanish would be like saying that a city you all think has a clear pronunciation of English (Either in USA, Canada, Australia, etc.) has the purest English of all.
Jarocha
Saying that Spain has the purest Spanish would be saying that England has the purest English. I could get behind that if we specified the right region according to acceptable reasons.
Saying "Bogotá" has the purest Spanish would be like saying that a city you all think has a clear pronunciation of English (Either in USA, Canada, Australia, etc.) has the purest English of all.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:46:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 6:46:00 PM EST
'I'm speaking Spanish, but I don't know what they're speaking.''
Jarocha: Gracias por los ejemplos de acento! Doris, SuZan, Newbie,
Thanks for your feedback. I learn so much here on this board. Novelera: I love this idea of taking repeat classes. How clever of you! And re: Lui' the great dancer, you made me LOL!
Jarocha: Gracias por los ejemplos de acento! Doris, SuZan, Newbie,
Thanks for your feedback. I learn so much here on this board. Novelera: I love this idea of taking repeat classes. How clever of you! And re: Lui' the great dancer, you made me LOL!
Jarocha:
While taking a history class in Spain I heard that there was not an official "Spanish" language until the Catholic Monarchs and the reconquista. According to this fellow—who was from Barcelona and must be presumed to have his own axe to grind—it was the power of the joint monarchs combined with the new money coming in from the New World that gave the cachet to Castellano and it edged out the other Penninsular dialects. Also , weren't some of the great classics of Spanish literature published in Castillian, which also helped it to become the "official" Spanish?
Again, thanks so much to all for this info.
Gotta run to a meeting. Adios.
While taking a history class in Spain I heard that there was not an official "Spanish" language until the Catholic Monarchs and the reconquista. According to this fellow—who was from Barcelona and must be presumed to have his own axe to grind—it was the power of the joint monarchs combined with the new money coming in from the New World that gave the cachet to Castellano and it edged out the other Penninsular dialects. Also , weren't some of the great classics of Spanish literature published in Castillian, which also helped it to become the "official" Spanish?
Again, thanks so much to all for this info.
Gotta run to a meeting. Adios.
Elna: Yes, Castellano became the official spanish language because of the powers of the monarchs thanks to the New World. But Castellano has changed alot from it's origins. There's still other languages in Spain, like Vasco, Catalán, Valenciano and Gallego.
Castilla was always a big and important Kingdom: Madrid, Burgos, Valencia, Guadalajara, Toledo, etc. were all part of Castilla. The thing is, there are specific accents from each of those cities too.
Jarocha
Castilla was always a big and important Kingdom: Madrid, Burgos, Valencia, Guadalajara, Toledo, etc. were all part of Castilla. The thing is, there are specific accents from each of those cities too.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 8:08:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 8:08:00 PM EST
Don't know if anyone keeps reading the comments after the next episodio comes out, but I want to thank Anon at 6:22 yesterday for the examples of the various country accents. I watched all the clips......When they speak clearly, then the differences blur.
About Gabriel--I think he may have a slight, but not annoying, speech impediment, because he sounded the same on Querida Enemiga.
Newbie
About Gabriel--I think he may have a slight, but not annoying, speech impediment, because he sounded the same on Querida Enemiga.
Newbie
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:34:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:34:00 AM EST
I meant Gabriel Soto, not the character Gabriel.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:36:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:36:00 AM EST
Love all the posts about the different Spanish accent. I'm a teacher of English as a foeign language and I've got a real passion for languages, so thanks :)
on a less serious note, I think Alex was amazing in that red t shirt :)
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on a less serious note, I think Alex was amazing in that red t shirt :)
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: Saturday, February 6, 2010 at 7:03:00 PM EST
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