Friday, February 26, 2010
El Clon, Fri., Feb. 26 - Forget the bridal shower. In Morocco, after the bride gets her virginity certificate, her friend wax her
We open at Ali's house where Lucas is introduced to Said as Jade's future husband. In addition to Jade, Latifa and Zoraida are also there. When Ali says to Lucas that he would be invited to the wedding if he were going to be in Morocco at that time, Lucas says, 'We'll see about that (Eso está por verse).' Zoraida and Jade are in agony and everyone else is oblivious. Lucas corrects himself by saying that if he were invited, he would stay. Ali replies that Lucas' father needs him and he has to return to the States. While she goes to get tea, Zoraida prays that no misfortune falls on the house before Lucas goes home.
Osvaldo brings Dora a present of tiny football shoes and asks when they are going to the doctor. Dora tells him that there isn't any point in him going to the doctor, he's sterile. She is going to get artificially inseminated. She says that Sylvia will chose a donor who is just like him. Idiot Osvaldo goes ballistic and accuses Dora of betraying him by having a child with another man.
Said leaves. Ali tells Jade and Latifa that they are blessed by having such good future husbands. Latifah asks why Jade has such a gloomy face. She should be happy. Ali tells Lucas that he has bought Lucas' ticket back to the States.
Dora tries to explain about artificial insemination to Osvaldo. He either doesn't understand how AI works or is such a macho idiot that he is jealous of an anonymous sperm. Once again, Osvaldo leaves. He goes to the church and blows out the flame on his giant candle but then changes his mind. Meanwhile, Dora is telling her girlfriends, Vicki and Norma, about how Osvaldo thinks he is being cheated on by a sperm donor. Norma agrees with Osvaldo and Dora accuses her of wanting Osvaldo for herself. They have a spat and Norma leaves. Dora tells Vicki that she thinks Norma put a spell on Osvaldo so he won't understand AI.
Meanwhile Cristina is still trying to phone Leo. Leo is practically catatonic.
Ali tells Lucas that after the wedding, he will return to the States with Latifa and her husband.
Latifa tells Jade that she should be happy with her rich fiance who buys her nice presents. Jade says that Latifa can have Said and all his presents. Latifa mentions that on Thursday, they have to get their virginity certificates. Having thrown her bonnet over the windmill as they used to say, now Jade asks Latifa about what happens if a girl isn't a virgin when she marries. Latifa cheerily answers that letting a man touch a woman before marriage is the worst sin and the only way a family can be free of the sin is to kill the woman. Uh oh.
Albieri returns from the funeral and finds that Luisa has taken her things and gone.
Luisa is telling Sylvia about how awful it was to kiss Albieri and feel that he wasn't there. She thought Albieri cared for her. Sylvia doesn't mince words. She asks if Luisa thought that Albieri cared for her because he let her clean his house, take his laundry to the cleaners and be at his beck and call 24 hours a day?
Enrique tries to get Leo to go on a trip or do something to get past his grief. He suggests the comfort of faith. Leo says that he has enough things driving him crazy without religion. Leo overhears Rosa telling Enrique how Leo let Cristina poison his mind against Diego and how she tried calling Cristina's house when Diego announced his plan to fly solo to Daytona but Leo wouldn't answer the phone.
Cristina and Vicki are in church waiting for a priest to say mass for Diego. Cristina says that since she can't get through to Leo by phone, she will camp outside his house until he talks to her. Then she has an idea. Albieri will help her. He is a good friend of Leo and he approved of their relationship. Vicki recalls that Albieri is Dora's doctor, which gives Cristina a way to reach him.
Luisa comes in to see Albieri who is looking at a picture of Diego. Luisa says that she is leaving to go back to 'her country' to visit her family. She starts to leave and out of the blue, Albieri asks her to marry him. She agrees but he doesn't want her to touch him. He says that he cares about her a lot but doesn't love her. Luisa doesn't care. In fact, she tells Sylvia that she always knew that Albieri did love her but wouldn't admit to himself. Albieri tells Julio that asking Luisa to marry him was the only way out of the situation that he felt responsible for. Julio says that this is the perfect solution for someone who likes to torment himself and feels guilty about everything.
Ali tells Lucas about the marriage contract that is drawn up for Muslim weddings. According to the internet, the arabic name of this is Aqd Nikah. Ali's says that Islam is better than the west in this respect because the contract details the responsibilities of the parties if they separate. Lucas asks if Latifa could marry a non-Muslim. He notes that Ali has lived in the world and might not think like everyone here. Ali says that he is a either a Muslim wherever he is or he's not a Muslim. Nice try Lucas.
Lucas sneaks a chat with Jade. Jade says that he may not see her again. What she did was haraam, a big sin and she will be punished. She asks why she couldn't have met him in the US. Lucas says that he tried to talk to Ali but he couldn't. He will ask Albieri to do it. He also asks Jade to dance for him in the ruins.
Latifa finds Zoraida watching the racy video of the novela. She tells Zoraida that she has to watch to learn how to drive Mohammed crazy on their their wedding night. They watch it together.
Jade is not happy as she, Latifa and Zoraida head for the virginity check. Zoraida asks if she has done something stupid. Yup. But she denies it to Zoraida. They run into Nazira who tells them that the inheritance that Said is in Cairo to get is more than they expected. Latifa says that she and Jade have brought their husband's luck. Cattily, Nazira says that her brothers have brought Jade and Latifa luck and she hopes they can keep their husbands since they don't follow all the customs. Latifa says that Nazira will eat her words when she sees their virginity certificates. Jade looks miserable. At the clinic, Latifa emerges with her certificate. Jade is next. Once again, Zoraida asks Jade if she did something stupid.
Cristina shows up outside Leo's house. The guards (what is it with the capri pants on the guards? Not a good look with the boots and socks) tell her Leo isn't home. She says that she will wait.
Jade dodges a bullet. The doctor was Italian, took pity on her and gave her a virginity certificate.
Dora tells Vicki that she is starting the pregnancy treatment the next day. Osvaldo comes in with a suitcase. He and Dora go outside and he tells her that he is going to Mexico because he doesn't want to stick around and see her have somebody else's baby. He suggests they adopt. Dora can't believe he would be willing to be the father of some random kid but not her own child. She says that she would give up anything for him but not her child. He leaves.
Latifa is bouncing off the walls at the prospect of being married. Jade learns another tradition of the Muslim wife. She has to be waxed every 20 days for her husband [a full Brazilian or what?] "Whatever (me da igual)," says Jade. [What about leaving women the way Allah made them - with hair?]
Latifa gets waxed for the first time. Ouch.
Jade slips away from the waxing party to meet Lucas. She takes off her black robe and veils and is in a spiffy black and silver dancing outfit. Lucas says that when they are old, he will always remember this moment and what she wore. She dances for him while Zoraida put henna designs on Latifa and she puts on the jewelry that Mohammed gave her.
Lucas tells Jade that he loves her and he's not going to lose her. He will confront anyone: her uncle; her fiance, anyone but he won't let her go. Jade reminds him that he has to leave the next day and this might be the last time that she sees him. Lucas swears to Jade that he will come back in a week for her.
Latifa comes down in her wedding dress with the women in the house ululating [according to the internet, the Arabic word for the celebratory noise that the women are making is: zaghareet.]
Ali asks Allah to bless her with many children. When she has gone, Ali tell Zoraida that he is concerned for Jade. He asks Zoraida if she knows if Jade has spoken again with the foreigner. Zoraida says no. Ali says that he shouldn't have postponed the wedding. Zoraida says that after tomorrow, there is no need to worry and then realizes her blunder. Ali asks why tomorrow? Zoraida says that Latifa will leave and so will the foreigner. Ali does not ask how she knows this. He says that Jade is as clever as a woman can be so it is better to take precautions. He asks to see Jade.
Cristina steps in front of Leo's car as he is leaving the house.
With Lucas present, Ali tells Jade that she will go to the US with Latifa and her husband (and Lucas) until her fiancee returns. She will be better protected there. Jade is overjoyed and does not hide it at all. Ali should be suspicious.
The credits roll.
Osvaldo brings Dora a present of tiny football shoes and asks when they are going to the doctor. Dora tells him that there isn't any point in him going to the doctor, he's sterile. She is going to get artificially inseminated. She says that Sylvia will chose a donor who is just like him. Idiot Osvaldo goes ballistic and accuses Dora of betraying him by having a child with another man.
Said leaves. Ali tells Jade and Latifa that they are blessed by having such good future husbands. Latifah asks why Jade has such a gloomy face. She should be happy. Ali tells Lucas that he has bought Lucas' ticket back to the States.
Dora tries to explain about artificial insemination to Osvaldo. He either doesn't understand how AI works or is such a macho idiot that he is jealous of an anonymous sperm. Once again, Osvaldo leaves. He goes to the church and blows out the flame on his giant candle but then changes his mind. Meanwhile, Dora is telling her girlfriends, Vicki and Norma, about how Osvaldo thinks he is being cheated on by a sperm donor. Norma agrees with Osvaldo and Dora accuses her of wanting Osvaldo for herself. They have a spat and Norma leaves. Dora tells Vicki that she thinks Norma put a spell on Osvaldo so he won't understand AI.
Meanwhile Cristina is still trying to phone Leo. Leo is practically catatonic.
Ali tells Lucas that after the wedding, he will return to the States with Latifa and her husband.
Latifa tells Jade that she should be happy with her rich fiance who buys her nice presents. Jade says that Latifa can have Said and all his presents. Latifa mentions that on Thursday, they have to get their virginity certificates. Having thrown her bonnet over the windmill as they used to say, now Jade asks Latifa about what happens if a girl isn't a virgin when she marries. Latifa cheerily answers that letting a man touch a woman before marriage is the worst sin and the only way a family can be free of the sin is to kill the woman. Uh oh.
Albieri returns from the funeral and finds that Luisa has taken her things and gone.
Luisa is telling Sylvia about how awful it was to kiss Albieri and feel that he wasn't there. She thought Albieri cared for her. Sylvia doesn't mince words. She asks if Luisa thought that Albieri cared for her because he let her clean his house, take his laundry to the cleaners and be at his beck and call 24 hours a day?
Enrique tries to get Leo to go on a trip or do something to get past his grief. He suggests the comfort of faith. Leo says that he has enough things driving him crazy without religion. Leo overhears Rosa telling Enrique how Leo let Cristina poison his mind against Diego and how she tried calling Cristina's house when Diego announced his plan to fly solo to Daytona but Leo wouldn't answer the phone.
Cristina and Vicki are in church waiting for a priest to say mass for Diego. Cristina says that since she can't get through to Leo by phone, she will camp outside his house until he talks to her. Then she has an idea. Albieri will help her. He is a good friend of Leo and he approved of their relationship. Vicki recalls that Albieri is Dora's doctor, which gives Cristina a way to reach him.
Luisa comes in to see Albieri who is looking at a picture of Diego. Luisa says that she is leaving to go back to 'her country' to visit her family. She starts to leave and out of the blue, Albieri asks her to marry him. She agrees but he doesn't want her to touch him. He says that he cares about her a lot but doesn't love her. Luisa doesn't care. In fact, she tells Sylvia that she always knew that Albieri did love her but wouldn't admit to himself. Albieri tells Julio that asking Luisa to marry him was the only way out of the situation that he felt responsible for. Julio says that this is the perfect solution for someone who likes to torment himself and feels guilty about everything.
Ali tells Lucas about the marriage contract that is drawn up for Muslim weddings. According to the internet, the arabic name of this is Aqd Nikah. Ali's says that Islam is better than the west in this respect because the contract details the responsibilities of the parties if they separate. Lucas asks if Latifa could marry a non-Muslim. He notes that Ali has lived in the world and might not think like everyone here. Ali says that he is a either a Muslim wherever he is or he's not a Muslim. Nice try Lucas.
Lucas sneaks a chat with Jade. Jade says that he may not see her again. What she did was haraam, a big sin and she will be punished. She asks why she couldn't have met him in the US. Lucas says that he tried to talk to Ali but he couldn't. He will ask Albieri to do it. He also asks Jade to dance for him in the ruins.
Latifa finds Zoraida watching the racy video of the novela. She tells Zoraida that she has to watch to learn how to drive Mohammed crazy on their their wedding night. They watch it together.
Jade is not happy as she, Latifa and Zoraida head for the virginity check. Zoraida asks if she has done something stupid. Yup. But she denies it to Zoraida. They run into Nazira who tells them that the inheritance that Said is in Cairo to get is more than they expected. Latifa says that she and Jade have brought their husband's luck. Cattily, Nazira says that her brothers have brought Jade and Latifa luck and she hopes they can keep their husbands since they don't follow all the customs. Latifa says that Nazira will eat her words when she sees their virginity certificates. Jade looks miserable. At the clinic, Latifa emerges with her certificate. Jade is next. Once again, Zoraida asks Jade if she did something stupid.
Cristina shows up outside Leo's house. The guards (what is it with the capri pants on the guards? Not a good look with the boots and socks) tell her Leo isn't home. She says that she will wait.
Jade dodges a bullet. The doctor was Italian, took pity on her and gave her a virginity certificate.
Dora tells Vicki that she is starting the pregnancy treatment the next day. Osvaldo comes in with a suitcase. He and Dora go outside and he tells her that he is going to Mexico because he doesn't want to stick around and see her have somebody else's baby. He suggests they adopt. Dora can't believe he would be willing to be the father of some random kid but not her own child. She says that she would give up anything for him but not her child. He leaves.
Latifa is bouncing off the walls at the prospect of being married. Jade learns another tradition of the Muslim wife. She has to be waxed every 20 days for her husband [a full Brazilian or what?] "Whatever (me da igual)," says Jade. [What about leaving women the way Allah made them - with hair?]
Latifa gets waxed for the first time. Ouch.
Jade slips away from the waxing party to meet Lucas. She takes off her black robe and veils and is in a spiffy black and silver dancing outfit. Lucas says that when they are old, he will always remember this moment and what she wore. She dances for him while Zoraida put henna designs on Latifa and she puts on the jewelry that Mohammed gave her.
Lucas tells Jade that he loves her and he's not going to lose her. He will confront anyone: her uncle; her fiance, anyone but he won't let her go. Jade reminds him that he has to leave the next day and this might be the last time that she sees him. Lucas swears to Jade that he will come back in a week for her.
Latifa comes down in her wedding dress with the women in the house ululating [according to the internet, the Arabic word for the celebratory noise that the women are making is: zaghareet.]
Ali asks Allah to bless her with many children. When she has gone, Ali tell Zoraida that he is concerned for Jade. He asks Zoraida if she knows if Jade has spoken again with the foreigner. Zoraida says no. Ali says that he shouldn't have postponed the wedding. Zoraida says that after tomorrow, there is no need to worry and then realizes her blunder. Ali asks why tomorrow? Zoraida says that Latifa will leave and so will the foreigner. Ali does not ask how she knows this. He says that Jade is as clever as a woman can be so it is better to take precautions. He asks to see Jade.
Cristina steps in front of Leo's car as he is leaving the house.
With Lucas present, Ali tells Jade that she will go to the US with Latifa and her husband (and Lucas) until her fiancee returns. She will be better protected there. Jade is overjoyed and does not hide it at all. Ali should be suspicious.
The credits roll.
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Wow! I missed some important stuff; thank you Jean.
A. the "Eso está por verse" - I thought he was saying it was perverse, but the reactions didn't seem appropriate to that. Now it makes sense.
B. The waxing. I couldn't tell what the women were doing.
C. The plan that Jade would go to the US with everyone else. That went right past me. Important point.
Thank you for clearing that up.
With Osvaldo, I think (but I'm open to correction) that they are talking about Invitro Fert (IVF), IOW fertilization in a lab, then the eggs are implanted. It seems no one has said anything about artificial insemination (AI) (think turkey baster). If Ozzie has any functional sperm, they might be able to have his blood-offspring with AI, but that's not even considered.
Frankly I can't blame Ozzie. Dora will not even consider raising an adopted baby, but she expects him to happily accept raising some other man's baby. She says she loves him, but she's not willing to bend an inch for his sake. "Be reasonable. Do it my way!"
Regarding Jade's medical exam. Has anyone seen that gold necklace since she stepped out of the examining room with the certificate? I suspect that it took more than Jade's pretty face, to move the doctor to compassion.
A. the "Eso está por verse" - I thought he was saying it was perverse, but the reactions didn't seem appropriate to that. Now it makes sense.
B. The waxing. I couldn't tell what the women were doing.
C. The plan that Jade would go to the US with everyone else. That went right past me. Important point.
Thank you for clearing that up.
With Osvaldo, I think (but I'm open to correction) that they are talking about Invitro Fert (IVF), IOW fertilization in a lab, then the eggs are implanted. It seems no one has said anything about artificial insemination (AI) (think turkey baster). If Ozzie has any functional sperm, they might be able to have his blood-offspring with AI, but that's not even considered.
Frankly I can't blame Ozzie. Dora will not even consider raising an adopted baby, but she expects him to happily accept raising some other man's baby. She says she loves him, but she's not willing to bend an inch for his sake. "Be reasonable. Do it my way!"
Regarding Jade's medical exam. Has anyone seen that gold necklace since she stepped out of the examining room with the certificate? I suspect that it took more than Jade's pretty face, to move the doctor to compassion.
Aha! My thoughts exactly, Paula! I bet that necklace is hanging around the neck of the virginity inspector as we speak!
Actually, it was a pretty spindly little necklace compared with the one Latifah got.
Jean, thanks for the recap. I did not have a clue what the waxing scene was about. Thanks for taking time to look up information about some of the customs.
"Creemelo"
Actually, it was a pretty spindly little necklace compared with the one Latifah got.
Jean, thanks for the recap. I did not have a clue what the waxing scene was about. Thanks for taking time to look up information about some of the customs.
"Creemelo"
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: Saturday, February 27, 2010 at 11:54:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 27, 2010 at 11:54:00 PM EST
Jean: Thanks so much! You caught some things I was totally lost on. Thanks also for getting some of those terms explained. I had no idea about the waxing --didn't catch it, but haven't they heard about good old fashioned Nair or even Lady Bics??? It's like bouncing in and out of a time warp. And what's with the dorky pedal pushers on those guards? What jerk designer thunk that one up?// Typical Cristina with the bubble gum popping and the gold lame lamee hook'em mini complete with squeeze box.// Now what made Ali suddenly think Jade would be safer in the Wild Wild West than in his own fortress? Hmmmm????
Loved the dancing scene. Love the looks our star-crossed lovers share.
Loved the dancing scene. Love the looks our star-crossed lovers share.
Jean, thanks so much. I missed most of the end. I re-set my DVR to record the episodes. The automatic recording had mysteriously disappeared, causing me to not get Wednesday's. But I forgot to set it to record 5 minutes past the hour. I've remedied that, but missed the big happening about Jade supposedly going to the US with Latifa, Mohammed, and Lucas. We know, of course, that something has to go wrong. The novela would be over if the two star-crossed lovers just landed in Miami and got married.
I thought the dance Jade did was quite beautiful. I was trying to see if they were substituting an experienced belly dancer as a body double. But she turned so often and showed her face, that I doubt it. Sandra Echeverría is doing a great job, IMO. She does the sad part believably and then her whole face lights up when she gets good news or sees Lucas.
Paula, I DO blame Osvaldo. If the woman is infertile, then adoption or a surrogate if you're bucks up makes sense. But if the woman is not the problem, I believe she has the right to bear her own biological child, to experience childbirth, to experience breast feeding her own child. Osvaldo is an idiot for insisting upon his machismo being more important than her desire to bear a child.
I worked with a woman once who confided to me that she had TWO children as a result of artificial insemination by a donor. Her infertile husband adored those children and never felt for a single day that he was not their father.
I thought the dance Jade did was quite beautiful. I was trying to see if they were substituting an experienced belly dancer as a body double. But she turned so often and showed her face, that I doubt it. Sandra Echeverría is doing a great job, IMO. She does the sad part believably and then her whole face lights up when she gets good news or sees Lucas.
Paula, I DO blame Osvaldo. If the woman is infertile, then adoption or a surrogate if you're bucks up makes sense. But if the woman is not the problem, I believe she has the right to bear her own biological child, to experience childbirth, to experience breast feeding her own child. Osvaldo is an idiot for insisting upon his machismo being more important than her desire to bear a child.
I worked with a woman once who confided to me that she had TWO children as a result of artificial insemination by a donor. Her infertile husband adored those children and never felt for a single day that he was not their father.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 4:55:00 PM EST
: Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 4:55:00 PM EST
Novelera: If you want to see the last few minutes this is my link. The scene is audible and the Spanish can be understood. The segments are numbered under the pictures on the lower left half of the screen once the site is finished downloading. It's episode #10.
http://msnlatino.telemundo.com/novelas/El_Clon/videos/
http://msnlatino.telemundo.com/novelas/El_Clon/videos/
I have mixed feelings about Ozzie and Dora. I think they're both being a bit stubborn. Maybe I misunderstood but I thought they said they could test him further for any sperm. (Could be it's a blockage of some sort?) He won't listen and she won't stop to think to ask the clinic first to at least stall to keep him from leaving? Anyway, that would have been my attempt at a compromise till the anger blew over. They're both hotheads and conceited beyond belief, even selfish. JMHO.
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Yeah, that's what got me. The selfishness. Of both. They both say they love the other, but neither gives ni un pepino, ni un cinco, about what matters to the other.
My problem is not with the mechanics of how Dora will achieve a baby. My problem is their total lack of compassion for the other. That ain't love.
My problem is not with the mechanics of how Dora will achieve a baby. My problem is their total lack of compassion for the other. That ain't love.
Thanks, Jardinera, for the link. It WAS worth it to actually see and hear the last few minutes. I was surprised to see Ali dressed in a suit for the wedding. I would have expected him to dress traditionally. I really like the nuanced way they are showing his character. At first he seemed fanatical, cut out to be the villain. But he went way up in my estimation when he refused the FGM for the young women, and often he seems downright loveable now.
I see what Jardinera and Paula are talking about, about the selfishness of both Dora and Osvaldo. I had forgotten that there might be SOME swimmers in Osvaldo's body. And Dora has been VERY foolish continuing to fall into bed with Osvaldo despite seeing all his flagrant behavior with the other women at the disco. But I guess I see the selfishness as bigger on Osvaldo's part, but certainly respect your opinions.
I see what Jardinera and Paula are talking about, about the selfishness of both Dora and Osvaldo. I had forgotten that there might be SOME swimmers in Osvaldo's body. And Dora has been VERY foolish continuing to fall into bed with Osvaldo despite seeing all his flagrant behavior with the other women at the disco. But I guess I see the selfishness as bigger on Osvaldo's part, but certainly respect your opinions.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 7:14:00 PM EST
: Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 7:14:00 PM EST
Novelera: Glad the link worked out. It's the only way I can watch this and so the recaps are such a help this time around for me. I'm getting used to some of their accents, but still ARGGGH! Still I love this show!!
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Paula/Novelera: Yep. Dora and Ozzie show me what I've had to have learned over the 3.5 decades I've been married. It's give and take in serious matters --and neither of these two seem to know this. I can also see that she's so taken with Ozzie and maybe a bit too possesive (a bit?)but also she seems easily swayed by this guy when it comes to bed and sex. I can't believe he's her first, but then maybe that's why she won't dump him either. Oh well, just my two cents late at night.
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Paula/Novelera: Yep. Dora and Ozzie show me what I've had to have learned over the 3.5 decades I've been married. It's give and take in serious matters --and neither of these two seem to know this. I can also see that she's so taken with Ozzie and maybe a bit too possesive (a bit?)but also she seems easily swayed by this guy when it comes to bed and sex. I can't believe he's her first, but then maybe that's why she won't dump him either. Oh well, just my two cents late at night.
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I'm with novelera on Osvaldo. Even if he has a basis to be upset, he is in no position to take the moral high ground after making Dora think it was she who was infertile and making her go through the expensive testing.
Maybe Dora could have consulted and explained a little better to Osvaldo about what she was going to do. But for Osvaldo to say that Dora is cuckolding him is just wrong.
Maybe Dora could have consulted and explained a little better to Osvaldo about what she was going to do. But for Osvaldo to say that Dora is cuckolding him is just wrong.
Novelera i doubt they used a body double for the belly dance because it was awful. maybe too much working out to shimmy is clouding my judgement. but on o clone that owmen had very good form for a beginner who only had 3 motnhs to get the moves down. with sandra there was no belly movement just alot of spins and turns.
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: Monday, March 1, 2010 at 4:49:00 PM EST
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