Tuesday, February 16, 2010
Sortilegio 2-16: Bruno and his purple scarf end up in a barn with food fit for pigs. Awww.
I am typing this on a tiny netbook because my laptop is off getting R&R at the computer hospital - so I'm in a cranky mood, and am also disgusted with this lamest of last-minute sub-plots:
Lame computer disaster
An emergency meeting of the board of directors is called to discuss the withdrawal of 25 million pesos from the company funds, ostensibly by MJ. Felipe is first to ask, why would she steal 25 mil when she's already loaded and now doubly loaded (due to her inheritance from Porfirio)? Vic, as usual, is clueless and in denial. [Have you noticed she has to wear a "V" around her neck as a clue to remind her what her own name is?]
Bruno bops in all accusatory and triumphant. He's mildly impactado to hear about Jorge's death and Elena's imprisonment.
MJ visits with her dad and sister. Her jubilation upon remembering the exact look of the apartment the three of them shared is interrupted by a sinister phone summons to the board meeting.
Lisette stands behind a door and hears Maura and Bruno having one of their hysterical squabbles in which they reveal all their evil deeds.
After Bruno stalks out Lisette confronts Maura - who says "He made me do it. And it was the only way to get Alejandro back. That MJ destroyed my life." "But those are crimes." "You are intolerably smug!" "You should confess." "Lisette, promise you'll say nothing." Lisette says she won't tell. Maura collapses in tears. [Anybody who feels sorry for her raise your hand.]
At the meeting, general shock about the 25 mil. Bruno dances about saying "sooner or later it was bound to happen!" He doesn't think there should be an investigation, they should just chuck MJ in the dungeon immediately.
MJ: "I don't even know how to use a computer." "Your sister Paula did it for you. We know she's ambitious. And your dad, well, maybe you needed the money because he's a CROOK who did JAIL time for DRUGS." Lots of yelling.
Long story short, they get computer experts to analyze the hard drives and - nothing - but Paula says, "have you tried the ones in the computer hospital? Maura's is there, sick with a virus."
And voila, they find the telltale traces on Maura's computer and she tries to weasel out of it but is detained. Lisette comes to see her in jail, where she is being questioned.
End of lame computer disaster
Elena tries to use her daughter's lofty Lombardo connections to weasel out of jail but she gets twelve years. [Anybody who feels sorry for her raise your hand.]
Fer is walking with a cane. He says his helper Irene is smart and pretty - but she's not Vic. He can't forget Vic. Personally I don't see anything appealing about Vic, she's such a fusty wimp. But then, so is Fer. [I know a guy who is happily married to a woman twenty years older than he is. They are two happy fuddy duddies.]
Eric grumbles about Bruno to his relatives - he'd really like to kill Bruno, that sarnoso (mangy) dog. Bruno finds him and says, you gotta kill Alex. Eric says, I can hardly walk... [Remember, he was shot and Bruno splendidly stepped right over him while making a getaway, leaving Eric bleeding on the ground.] "Find me somebody."
Bruno meets with erick's acquaintance, a scary looking bald guy, and offers him 4.5 million pesos, but the guy wants the money right that second. Bruno amusingly says, "The banks aren't open!" and reluctantly forks over what's in his pocket. Not enough. So he throws in his watch, "it's worth half a mil! Now go find three buddies and a car."
At breakfast, Paula says she's quitting LombardoCo, she won't work someplace where her sister is unfairly accused, but Alex convinces her to come along with him anyway.
His car has a flat tire so they end up leaving in MJ's car, which for some reason is blindado (armor-plated). [Anybody know why?]
Bruno, gun stuck in the back of his pants, lurks near two little girls playing in the grass. And here comes Alex!
The baddies block the road with their car and all four of them face the car and open fire. Bruno is directly in front of the windshield firing right in Alex's face but even though the car looks polka-dotted by the time the bad guys get scared and run away...
... Alex and Paula are unharmed. They drive back to the mansion in the polka-dotted car. Alex carries Paula up the stairs and...
...I almost laughed seeing that Victoria still looked imploring, like, "Oh don't accuse my Bruno," even though Bruno has now stood in front of a car and shot a gazillion bullets which were supposed to land in Alex's face... she is disconsolate and trucks off to her room dragging Felipe on the end of her arm the way she always does. [Like Christopher Robin drags Pooh.]
Bruno goes to Eric's house and yells at him, "You have to hide me!" "We can't hide here, this is the first place they'll look." He takes Bruno to some trumped up, hmm, it looks like a cinder-block elementary school with a lot of hay bales in it. This is near Eric's cousin out in the country some place.
Bruno wants whiskey and fine foods, but they don't have money.
At least Bruno still has his purple scarf! He fondles his gun and holds it up to his head contemplating suicide I suppose...
... but during the commercial break he reconsiders. "If it's the last thing I do, I'll kill Alex."
Hmm, I got distracted so I don't know where Erick came up with a few pesos; he goes off to the store and comes back with food but Bruno yells, "This is only fit for pigs! You're keeping the good stuff for yourself! And don't think we're equals! I'm the boss. Hey, don't look at me that way! I said DON'T LOOK AT ME THAT WAY!" [Everybody who feels sorry for Bruno, raise your hand.]
Alex goes to see Lisette and tell her: "Maura's in jail and Bruno tried to kill me." Lisette recounts the conversation she heard between Maura and Bruno and thus Alex finds out Maura was involved in MJ's kidnapping.
At that very same moment, back at home MJ suddenly has a flashback and remembers! That Maura gave her to the kidnappers! She goes running and screaming through the house, Alex isn't there so she tells Victoria.
I'm sorry I have not lavished loving detail on this, my last recap for Sortilegio. Please feel free to add anything! Thanks for visiting Caray Caray!
Lame computer disaster
An emergency meeting of the board of directors is called to discuss the withdrawal of 25 million pesos from the company funds, ostensibly by MJ. Felipe is first to ask, why would she steal 25 mil when she's already loaded and now doubly loaded (due to her inheritance from Porfirio)? Vic, as usual, is clueless and in denial. [Have you noticed she has to wear a "V" around her neck as a clue to remind her what her own name is?]
Bruno bops in all accusatory and triumphant. He's mildly impactado to hear about Jorge's death and Elena's imprisonment.
MJ visits with her dad and sister. Her jubilation upon remembering the exact look of the apartment the three of them shared is interrupted by a sinister phone summons to the board meeting.
Lisette stands behind a door and hears Maura and Bruno having one of their hysterical squabbles in which they reveal all their evil deeds.
After Bruno stalks out Lisette confronts Maura - who says "He made me do it. And it was the only way to get Alejandro back. That MJ destroyed my life." "But those are crimes." "You are intolerably smug!" "You should confess." "Lisette, promise you'll say nothing." Lisette says she won't tell. Maura collapses in tears. [Anybody who feels sorry for her raise your hand.]
At the meeting, general shock about the 25 mil. Bruno dances about saying "sooner or later it was bound to happen!" He doesn't think there should be an investigation, they should just chuck MJ in the dungeon immediately.
MJ: "I don't even know how to use a computer." "Your sister Paula did it for you. We know she's ambitious. And your dad, well, maybe you needed the money because he's a CROOK who did JAIL time for DRUGS." Lots of yelling.
Long story short, they get computer experts to analyze the hard drives and - nothing - but Paula says, "have you tried the ones in the computer hospital? Maura's is there, sick with a virus."
And voila, they find the telltale traces on Maura's computer and she tries to weasel out of it but is detained. Lisette comes to see her in jail, where she is being questioned.
End of lame computer disaster
Elena tries to use her daughter's lofty Lombardo connections to weasel out of jail but she gets twelve years. [Anybody who feels sorry for her raise your hand.]
Fer is walking with a cane. He says his helper Irene is smart and pretty - but she's not Vic. He can't forget Vic. Personally I don't see anything appealing about Vic, she's such a fusty wimp. But then, so is Fer. [I know a guy who is happily married to a woman twenty years older than he is. They are two happy fuddy duddies.]
Eric grumbles about Bruno to his relatives - he'd really like to kill Bruno, that sarnoso (mangy) dog. Bruno finds him and says, you gotta kill Alex. Eric says, I can hardly walk... [Remember, he was shot and Bruno splendidly stepped right over him while making a getaway, leaving Eric bleeding on the ground.] "Find me somebody."
Bruno meets with erick's acquaintance, a scary looking bald guy, and offers him 4.5 million pesos, but the guy wants the money right that second. Bruno amusingly says, "The banks aren't open!" and reluctantly forks over what's in his pocket. Not enough. So he throws in his watch, "it's worth half a mil! Now go find three buddies and a car."
At breakfast, Paula says she's quitting LombardoCo, she won't work someplace where her sister is unfairly accused, but Alex convinces her to come along with him anyway.
His car has a flat tire so they end up leaving in MJ's car, which for some reason is blindado (armor-plated). [Anybody know why?]
Bruno, gun stuck in the back of his pants, lurks near two little girls playing in the grass. And here comes Alex!
The baddies block the road with their car and all four of them face the car and open fire. Bruno is directly in front of the windshield firing right in Alex's face but even though the car looks polka-dotted by the time the bad guys get scared and run away...
... Alex and Paula are unharmed. They drive back to the mansion in the polka-dotted car. Alex carries Paula up the stairs and...
...I almost laughed seeing that Victoria still looked imploring, like, "Oh don't accuse my Bruno," even though Bruno has now stood in front of a car and shot a gazillion bullets which were supposed to land in Alex's face... she is disconsolate and trucks off to her room dragging Felipe on the end of her arm the way she always does. [Like Christopher Robin drags Pooh.]
Bruno goes to Eric's house and yells at him, "You have to hide me!" "We can't hide here, this is the first place they'll look." He takes Bruno to some trumped up, hmm, it looks like a cinder-block elementary school with a lot of hay bales in it. This is near Eric's cousin out in the country some place.
Bruno wants whiskey and fine foods, but they don't have money.
At least Bruno still has his purple scarf! He fondles his gun and holds it up to his head contemplating suicide I suppose...
... but during the commercial break he reconsiders. "If it's the last thing I do, I'll kill Alex."
Hmm, I got distracted so I don't know where Erick came up with a few pesos; he goes off to the store and comes back with food but Bruno yells, "This is only fit for pigs! You're keeping the good stuff for yourself! And don't think we're equals! I'm the boss. Hey, don't look at me that way! I said DON'T LOOK AT ME THAT WAY!" [Everybody who feels sorry for Bruno, raise your hand.]
Alex goes to see Lisette and tell her: "Maura's in jail and Bruno tried to kill me." Lisette recounts the conversation she heard between Maura and Bruno and thus Alex finds out Maura was involved in MJ's kidnapping.
At that very same moment, back at home MJ suddenly has a flashback and remembers! That Maura gave her to the kidnappers! She goes running and screaming through the house, Alex isn't there so she tells Victoria.
I'm sorry I have not lavished loving detail on this, my last recap for Sortilegio. Please feel free to add anything! Thanks for visiting Caray Caray!
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The shooting up the blindado BMW episode proves why Antonio left Lombardo Inc. to Alejandro's hands instead of Bruno's:
Because Bruno is Effin' STOOPID.
As much as Bruno lurks around Casa Lombardo he could have just packed a gun and shot up Alex, Paula and MJ in the house instead of paying all these people to stop Alex in the street, with dozens of witness, blazing up the car with bullets for what seemed like minutes...in broad daylight.
That BMW had like 50-11 various bullet holes in it from top to bottom and Alex STILL didn't die. Bruno wasted all that money for nothing.
Then again, if Bruno HAD walked into Casa Lombardo, gunz blazing and had taken out Alex, Paula and MJ in front of Victoria Victoria would be walking around, "Not my Bruno, it can't be!"
And Felipa would be like "Uh-huh, yeah ok it can be and it was."
Both Detective Ortiz and Maura's abogado were looking at her like "Ramera, sit down and stop lying."
Elena needs a RAMERA, SIT DOWN, too because now that MJ remembers the kidnapping and Lisette has told Alex that Maura was involved, Elena's involvement will now be proven and she'll be wishing all she had was 12 years.
Because Bruno is Effin' STOOPID.
As much as Bruno lurks around Casa Lombardo he could have just packed a gun and shot up Alex, Paula and MJ in the house instead of paying all these people to stop Alex in the street, with dozens of witness, blazing up the car with bullets for what seemed like minutes...in broad daylight.
That BMW had like 50-11 various bullet holes in it from top to bottom and Alex STILL didn't die. Bruno wasted all that money for nothing.
Then again, if Bruno HAD walked into Casa Lombardo, gunz blazing and had taken out Alex, Paula and MJ in front of Victoria Victoria would be walking around, "Not my Bruno, it can't be!"
And Felipa would be like "Uh-huh, yeah ok it can be and it was."
Both Detective Ortiz and Maura's abogado were looking at her like "Ramera, sit down and stop lying."
Elena needs a RAMERA, SIT DOWN, too because now that MJ remembers the kidnapping and Lisette has told Alex that Maura was involved, Elena's involvement will now be proven and she'll be wishing all she had was 12 years.
Permalink posted by 
: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 11:16:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 11:16:00 PM EST
THANKS SO MUCH!!! Even if I haven't seen the epi yet (I'm in CA), seems like I have already seen it. Not surprised you didn't have some good luvin' recapping tonight. My hands didn't raise one bit. And my eyes just kept rolling off with V. Why did the writers make her darn so stupida when it comes to her unico hijo? I'd say she's beyond my comprehension for most of this TN anyway. On the other hand, can't wait to see Maura in her new bland outfit LOL! SMC
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 11:30:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 11:30:00 PM EST
First and foremost, a big thank you Melinama, aka Chapel Hill Fiddler, for the fantastically quick but thorough recap -- as well as the whole Caray Caray shebang of course!!!
ITA about the lameness of the computer subplot -- really unecessary at such a late point in the novela. That time could easily have been given over to the more important plot of Bruno getting his just punishment and the happily ever after resolution of MJ-Alex. As it is now, those two major plots will be squashed into roughly 43 minutes if you don't count the commericials.
Also in total agreement with the comment that the shooting up of the armored car was way over the top. We all know Alex was never really in danger with only one episode to go!!
CHF, again, many, many sincere thanks for this wonderful ride that was Sortilegio via Caray Caray!!
CubsFan
ITA about the lameness of the computer subplot -- really unecessary at such a late point in the novela. That time could easily have been given over to the more important plot of Bruno getting his just punishment and the happily ever after resolution of MJ-Alex. As it is now, those two major plots will be squashed into roughly 43 minutes if you don't count the commericials.
Also in total agreement with the comment that the shooting up of the armored car was way over the top. We all know Alex was never really in danger with only one episode to go!!
CHF, again, many, many sincere thanks for this wonderful ride that was Sortilegio via Caray Caray!!
CubsFan
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 11:34:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 11:34:00 PM EST
How on earth could WL keep a straight face when he said "Bruno said he didn't have anything to to with the money transfer" Then damned if Victoria didn't say "Bruno swears he didn't have anything to do with it".
I'm sure everyone rushed to their beanie hatbox on that one.
Alex bought MJ the coche blindado because he wanted her to be safe, now we know why.
I think the writers concoct a good story, but just can't find a way to end it.
I'm sure everyone rushed to their beanie hatbox on that one.
Alex bought MJ the coche blindado because he wanted her to be safe, now we know why.
I think the writers concoct a good story, but just can't find a way to end it.
Melinama, it's ok that you didn't lavish loving detail on the recap. This episode didn't deserve it. Bruno is indeed an idiot. I was distracted by a heater(?) in the barn, near the window. If it is a heater, why do they need one right next to a few bales of hay? Unless it will come into play to start a fire and burn Bruno? Oh well, I guess we'll find out tomorrow.
The anvils/punishment seem a little lame, but maybe I'm just getting bored. Erik does seem to have some evil intentions toward Bruno.
I loved the image of Vicki dragging Felipa like Christopher Robin dragging Pooh around. Thank you SO MUCH for establishing Caray and keeping this big bundle of fun on track.
La Paloma
The anvils/punishment seem a little lame, but maybe I'm just getting bored. Erik does seem to have some evil intentions toward Bruno.
I loved the image of Vicki dragging Felipa like Christopher Robin dragging Pooh around. Thank you SO MUCH for establishing Caray and keeping this big bundle of fun on track.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:45:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:45:00 AM EST
At the beginning, Felipa and Victoria explained that Maria Jose could not have transferred the money because she is already rich and she acquired even more wealth with the death of Porfirio. Bruno looks dumbfounded for a second because the timing of his idiotic scheme
Backfired heavily. Bruno consumed with his hatred for Alejandro did not care.
He just started making up weak excuses why she would do it.
I wish Maura just listened to Lisette. She was the voice of reason and the right move would be to just admit her part in the scheme and finger Bruno who was the mastermind.
Sure enough as I predicted, the IT guys found out that the transaction was done in Maura’s office computer. If they had planned this a little better and had been a little patient, they would have gone to an internet café’ and there are tons of those in the city and it’s suburbs and no one would know the difference owing to the sheer volume of people that use the public computers. There would simply be no time to narrow down who did what transaction on what computer. Not all internet café’s have cameras with them. Then again, maybe the account is only accessible on the company’s intranet. Oh well. It was a stupid idea to begin with. There is really no way out of the situation that Maura is in. There is no plausible deniability. No alibis because her reasoning is very weak.
Let us examine why Maria Jose’ could not have done the actual transfer of funds:
1) She does not know how to use a computer(she will have to as a member of the board, but that discussion is for another day)
2) She has a lot of money practically owning the whole thing after her ‘divorce’
3) She has acquired her inheritance from the late Don Porfirio.
4) Maura accompanied her to the bank and had a look at her folder.
5) The transfer was traced to Maura’s computer.
Now attempted murder by Bruno can be seen as :
A) A very desperate attempt to cover their tracks since he has been exposed.
B) Out of pure hatred. There are a lot of motives for this that can be traced to the beginning of the series. They should ties all this together.
Lisette Visits Maura in Jail and tells her to come clean and that Bruno just attempted to m urder Alejandro and Paula. Lucky for them, the vehicle was armor plated. Alejandro just
Wanted his wife to have maximum protection that is why he purchased an armored version of a BMW SUV. I would too if I could afford it. We must note that there may be higher incidences of armed violence in Mexico than the US. So that it is important to be shielded against an all out assault. It is known fact that kidnappings for ransom occur in Mexico and many other countries. Bruno would have succeeded in getting Alejandro killed if he employed a sniper and not hiring a bunch of thugs. You need cold blooded precision for this assignment. If the means was to rough somebody up, then a bunch of thugs would be fine.
I can see that Maura may finally confess all since she has no other recourse and more importantly she loves alejandro in her own twisted way. It would not make sense for her to want him harmed. Equally damning is Maria Jose’s memory of the kidnapping. Her memory has returned in a flash and it all becomes clear to her now. Maura was with her in a room of the house she was looking at. She was carrying folders with her that time.
As a side note: I find it interesting that Ezequiel is now wearing a light colored Nehru suit. Maybe it is warm weather in Merida during that time of the year. He has been wearing that for a few weeks now.
Bruno belongs in that barn. He can stay with the pigs playing in the mud. The end will definitely be near for him.
Ibarramedia
Backfired heavily. Bruno consumed with his hatred for Alejandro did not care.
He just started making up weak excuses why she would do it.
I wish Maura just listened to Lisette. She was the voice of reason and the right move would be to just admit her part in the scheme and finger Bruno who was the mastermind.
Sure enough as I predicted, the IT guys found out that the transaction was done in Maura’s office computer. If they had planned this a little better and had been a little patient, they would have gone to an internet café’ and there are tons of those in the city and it’s suburbs and no one would know the difference owing to the sheer volume of people that use the public computers. There would simply be no time to narrow down who did what transaction on what computer. Not all internet café’s have cameras with them. Then again, maybe the account is only accessible on the company’s intranet. Oh well. It was a stupid idea to begin with. There is really no way out of the situation that Maura is in. There is no plausible deniability. No alibis because her reasoning is very weak.
Let us examine why Maria Jose’ could not have done the actual transfer of funds:
1) She does not know how to use a computer(she will have to as a member of the board, but that discussion is for another day)
2) She has a lot of money practically owning the whole thing after her ‘divorce’
3) She has acquired her inheritance from the late Don Porfirio.
4) Maura accompanied her to the bank and had a look at her folder.
5) The transfer was traced to Maura’s computer.
Now attempted murder by Bruno can be seen as :
A) A very desperate attempt to cover their tracks since he has been exposed.
B) Out of pure hatred. There are a lot of motives for this that can be traced to the beginning of the series. They should ties all this together.
Lisette Visits Maura in Jail and tells her to come clean and that Bruno just attempted to m urder Alejandro and Paula. Lucky for them, the vehicle was armor plated. Alejandro just
Wanted his wife to have maximum protection that is why he purchased an armored version of a BMW SUV. I would too if I could afford it. We must note that there may be higher incidences of armed violence in Mexico than the US. So that it is important to be shielded against an all out assault. It is known fact that kidnappings for ransom occur in Mexico and many other countries. Bruno would have succeeded in getting Alejandro killed if he employed a sniper and not hiring a bunch of thugs. You need cold blooded precision for this assignment. If the means was to rough somebody up, then a bunch of thugs would be fine.
I can see that Maura may finally confess all since she has no other recourse and more importantly she loves alejandro in her own twisted way. It would not make sense for her to want him harmed. Equally damning is Maria Jose’s memory of the kidnapping. Her memory has returned in a flash and it all becomes clear to her now. Maura was with her in a room of the house she was looking at. She was carrying folders with her that time.
As a side note: I find it interesting that Ezequiel is now wearing a light colored Nehru suit. Maybe it is warm weather in Merida during that time of the year. He has been wearing that for a few weeks now.
Bruno belongs in that barn. He can stay with the pigs playing in the mud. The end will definitely be near for him.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:56:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:56:00 AM EST
Melinama, that was fantastic, and many thanks for all of your previous recaps, and of course for Caray. I was LOL at the raising of hands for sympathy! Hilarious!
Seriously, Victoria no more denial. Now it's not just inconvienent, but annoying. This time both Alex and Paula saw Bruno try to freakin kill them.
Glad MJ got her memory back.
I thought Alex carrying Paula was too cute. Awww, I'm gonna miss being able to say everything WL does is cute after tomorrow.
Seriously, Victoria no more denial. Now it's not just inconvienent, but annoying. This time both Alex and Paula saw Bruno try to freakin kill them.
Glad MJ got her memory back.
I thought Alex carrying Paula was too cute. Awww, I'm gonna miss being able to say everything WL does is cute after tomorrow.
LA Paloma, maybe it was some kind of fan.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:01:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:01:00 AM EST
CHF thanks for your quick and final Sortilegio recap it ends tomorrow i'm getting depressed already.
Let me get this staright after Bruno found out that MJ got Porfirio money he and his lame brain side kick Maura decide to blame Paula saying she did it.
I know in a company like Lombardo Constructions the have to have at least surveillance cameras and probably a security guard there.
Glad Lissette finally discovered how horrible her sister is and what level she sunk to. In order to get Alex back.
Vicki i said a long you were a problem, i just can't waste more time on it.
Bruno still doesn't get it does he, he wants fine food and liquor after being on the lam from the PoPo and he still treats Pimp Daddy E like crap.He had the nerve to say to him he's not his equal, he's right he hasn't killed six people and tried to kill Alex twice already.
If i was Erick i would have given him pig slop because that's exactly what Bruno is.He doesn't have any money now and he throws the food Erik bought him on the ground like it's beneath him.Can we say big time loser boys and girls.
I have to agree with you guys who said it before me but it looks like Erik might kill Bruno like he deserves.
How in the world did Bruno know Alex would be driving MJ's car instead of his own. Did he tell the guys he hired to just look out for any type of white BMW vehicle coming down the street.
Let me get this staright after Bruno found out that MJ got Porfirio money he and his lame brain side kick Maura decide to blame Paula saying she did it.
I know in a company like Lombardo Constructions the have to have at least surveillance cameras and probably a security guard there.
Glad Lissette finally discovered how horrible her sister is and what level she sunk to. In order to get Alex back.
Vicki i said a long you were a problem, i just can't waste more time on it.
Bruno still doesn't get it does he, he wants fine food and liquor after being on the lam from the PoPo and he still treats Pimp Daddy E like crap.He had the nerve to say to him he's not his equal, he's right he hasn't killed six people and tried to kill Alex twice already.
If i was Erick i would have given him pig slop because that's exactly what Bruno is.He doesn't have any money now and he throws the food Erik bought him on the ground like it's beneath him.Can we say big time loser boys and girls.
I have to agree with you guys who said it before me but it looks like Erik might kill Bruno like he deserves.
How in the world did Bruno know Alex would be driving MJ's car instead of his own. Did he tell the guys he hired to just look out for any type of white BMW vehicle coming down the street.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:02:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:02:00 AM EST
I have never heard of a computer hospital before. At least the term 'Computer Hospital'.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:03:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:03:00 AM EST
That was the best darn episode yet..so much action...and so much that came together..it really shook me up when the banditos shot up the car.....serious it freaked me out
..you have all said it before me...we are going to miss William & Jacquie....just give their names a quick google and keep the fantacy going ......get your levy fix...when ever you need to..
It will be over my dead body that I miss the finally episode...
.will pass on a nice evening .with some friends they will just have to understand.......
Just want it to end Happy Ever After........
And I still didn't understand a word.............love caray caray !!
I had a rough day.now Im off to get some rest...thank you all ...
..you have all said it before me...we are going to miss William & Jacquie....just give their names a quick google and keep the fantacy going ......get your levy fix...when ever you need to..
It will be over my dead body that I miss the finally episode...
.will pass on a nice evening .with some friends they will just have to understand.......
Just want it to end Happy Ever After........
And I still didn't understand a word.............love caray caray !!
I had a rough day.now Im off to get some rest...thank you all ...
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:17:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:17:00 AM EST
Every time V doubted that Bruno could have done something so awful, was she actually thinking that it was the other person's fault? Otherwise, why waste time with all those doubts.
Is that all Felipa's responsibilities in a day is? Be Vicky's sounding board? maybe it's just bem but seriously, I don't think I'll be able to stand a job like that...save for having cute Cuco!
I also didn't understand what the hired goon said to Bruno before they stopped firing at Alex' car. Didn't they notice that the glasses just cracked and no bullets seemed to really penetrate thru it?
Well, as we've all concluded, tonight's plots are so lame (I like happy endings so they might as well just give me a 2-day finale happy ending). So other things became more obvious to me: Bruno wore that shiny pants to the barn...how comfy it must be. Maura looked more youthful than she normally projected at the time the investigator nailed her. The wardrobe department gave MJ a nice dress again when she got her kidnapping memory back...yey!!! And WL hasn't lost a touch...yey!!!...save for those bags he's wearing sometimes. Can't blame him, problems after problems but not enough time to think about sweet nothings. And one more thing (not sure about other TN's since this is my first), when MJ gets happy, something bad/sad will happen (more recently, wedding day - Abuelo passed away; flashback of happy times together at home - she was told that she stole money that she didn't know how to do or didn't ever need).
Oh well, tomorrow we'll find out who those legs walking at the beach belong to. And we'll finally get the happy ending:-)
SMC
Is that all Felipa's responsibilities in a day is? Be Vicky's sounding board? maybe it's just bem but seriously, I don't think I'll be able to stand a job like that...save for having cute Cuco!
I also didn't understand what the hired goon said to Bruno before they stopped firing at Alex' car. Didn't they notice that the glasses just cracked and no bullets seemed to really penetrate thru it?
Well, as we've all concluded, tonight's plots are so lame (I like happy endings so they might as well just give me a 2-day finale happy ending). So other things became more obvious to me: Bruno wore that shiny pants to the barn...how comfy it must be. Maura looked more youthful than she normally projected at the time the investigator nailed her. The wardrobe department gave MJ a nice dress again when she got her kidnapping memory back...yey!!! And WL hasn't lost a touch...yey!!!...save for those bags he's wearing sometimes. Can't blame him, problems after problems but not enough time to think about sweet nothings. And one more thing (not sure about other TN's since this is my first), when MJ gets happy, something bad/sad will happen (more recently, wedding day - Abuelo passed away; flashback of happy times together at home - she was told that she stole money that she didn't know how to do or didn't ever need).
Oh well, tomorrow we'll find out who those legs walking at the beach belong to. And we'll finally get the happy ending:-)
SMC
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:24:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:24:00 AM EST
CHF - thank you, thank you, thank you indeed for establishing caray caray. for the first month 1/2 of Sortilegio, I would be on 'translate google' for about 2hours per episode until I found this site googling WL, then found squidoo, which led me here. at that time, I thought i'd spend the next few months holed up at home, with no one to share the pleasure of gushing over WL and Sorti.
Ya'll's recaps/comments have kept me so entertained, it was even hard to concentrate at work, cuz every hour, i'd keep checking this site.
CdL - I also thought Alex carrying Pau was really gallant. I swear, his character (he)is such a dreamboat! I too will miss him mucho mucho mas.
Ya'll's recaps/comments have kept me so entertained, it was even hard to concentrate at work, cuz every hour, i'd keep checking this site.
CdL - I also thought Alex carrying Pau was really gallant. I swear, his character (he)is such a dreamboat! I too will miss him mucho mucho mas.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:33:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:33:00 AM EST
Thanks, Melinama, for the recap.
Will we have a day for wrap up comments or should our final comments be posted tomorrow?
I am totally bored with the dumb computer plot.
And Victoria, true to form, had to be escorted to her room by Felipa, after Paula and Alex told her that Bruno just stood in the street and aimed god-only-knows how many gunshots at their faces. Could Victoria muster up the kindness to stay to comfort Paula, who would be well and truly traumatized? Nope, not our Vicki.
Pah.
And as we speak, Maura and Elena are being fitted for matching brown prison jumpsuits.
Will we have a day for wrap up comments or should our final comments be posted tomorrow?
I am totally bored with the dumb computer plot.
And Victoria, true to form, had to be escorted to her room by Felipa, after Paula and Alex told her that Bruno just stood in the street and aimed god-only-knows how many gunshots at their faces. Could Victoria muster up the kindness to stay to comfort Paula, who would be well and truly traumatized? Nope, not our Vicki.
Pah.
And as we speak, Maura and Elena are being fitted for matching brown prison jumpsuits.
BlueJeanBlonde - that shoot out scene was so unexpected, I was dumbfounded. It was such a brazen act. Alex and Pau's reactions were so real. Pau's wailing as Alex was carrying her up the stairs was chilling.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:46:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:46:00 AM EST
Everybody who is ready for this telenovela to end, raise your hand
Thank you for the recrap, Melinama. This was a lame episode.
The little girls just lay there in the park, like they're asleep -or dead - during the shootout? Que the ??? They must have shootout drills at home, or school.
And nobody calls police after the shootout, Ale just drives away? Is THAT everyday life in Mérida? Yikes. We knew something like this would happen, since the car was armored & bulletproof. Blindado.
Wouldn't Lisette go to jail as an accessory, because she knew they were up to no good and kept the secret, esp. re: the kidnapping?
Why does Erik put up with Bruno's treatment? I have no sympathy left for Erik as of tonight. He can go out with Bruno.
Why do I watch this stuff?
LOL
Thank you for the recrap, Melinama. This was a lame episode.
The little girls just lay there in the park, like they're asleep -or dead - during the shootout? Que the ??? They must have shootout drills at home, or school.
And nobody calls police after the shootout, Ale just drives away? Is THAT everyday life in Mérida? Yikes. We knew something like this would happen, since the car was armored & bulletproof. Blindado.
Wouldn't Lisette go to jail as an accessory, because she knew they were up to no good and kept the secret, esp. re: the kidnapping?
Why does Erik put up with Bruno's treatment? I have no sympathy left for Erik as of tonight. He can go out with Bruno.
Why do I watch this stuff?
LOL
Lissette just found out tonight about Maura's involvement in the kidnapping she never knew anything about it.Just like she accidently overheard their conversation about setting up Paula because it wasn't going to work out for them to set up MJ for embezzeling the 25 million.
When someone asked a long time ago when Lissette was calling Katia about Maura talking to Bruno, it was to let Katia know that maybe something was going on between Maura and Bruno but Lissette didn't know what it was.
When someone asked a long time ago when Lissette was calling Katia about Maura talking to Bruno, it was to let Katia know that maybe something was going on between Maura and Bruno but Lissette didn't know what it was.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:49:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:49:00 AM EST
Wow~~You rule, CHF ! Yes, that's it. You nailed it. I've been trying to figure out what the Vicky and Felipe relationship reminds me of , and you called it..Christopher Robin pulling poor Winnie around. Of course, Felipe is much more honest and cheeky than Winnie. She calls Bruno like she sees him. I'm amazed that he hasn't backhanded her yet. We knew that Bruno was not going to shoot himself, but that barn is full of straw or hay and will go up like a torch. [My dad's barn was full of hay and it burned down quickly.] Will Bruno go out in a blaze of glory ???? I can't believe that old, shot-up Eric is still Elvising his collar and letting Bruno verbally abuse him. [Today's word verificatiuon : shlit...I hope that this is not an omen of my day ahead.]~Susanlynn, off to teach the last 4 verb tenses and give a reading and listening tests.]
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 7:16:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 7:16:00 AM EST
Thanks CHF for a quick and dirty recap of the crazy happenings of Merida. :)
I thought it was funny that the memory Paula tried coax out of MJ was the memory of her and Alex getting it on in the hotel in Saqui when Pedro was in the hospital. Sure, it was the first time she and Alex told each other that they loved each other, but kind of an embarrassing thing to talk about in front of your dad. "Why don't you try to remember our casa in Saqui?" Good intercept Pedro. :)
I was sure it was going to be MJ in danger in the car, but works just as well that it was Alex and Paula. Foiled again Bruno! Lol! Bruno was so sure that his plan was going to work, that he couldn't resist tagging along to give Alex the coup de grace. He wanted to kill him with his own hands this time and he didn't think there would be any witness left to finger him. Notice, he didn't bring his oh so obvious sports car to the shooting, which would have made him recognizable pulling away from the scene of the crime. He would have just been an anonymous gunman in a gang that assaulted a rich and powerful guy. Shocking, but nothing new that you don't see on Mexican news regularly.
I thought it was funny that the memory Paula tried coax out of MJ was the memory of her and Alex getting it on in the hotel in Saqui when Pedro was in the hospital. Sure, it was the first time she and Alex told each other that they loved each other, but kind of an embarrassing thing to talk about in front of your dad. "Why don't you try to remember our casa in Saqui?" Good intercept Pedro. :)
I was sure it was going to be MJ in danger in the car, but works just as well that it was Alex and Paula. Foiled again Bruno! Lol! Bruno was so sure that his plan was going to work, that he couldn't resist tagging along to give Alex the coup de grace. He wanted to kill him with his own hands this time and he didn't think there would be any witness left to finger him. Notice, he didn't bring his oh so obvious sports car to the shooting, which would have made him recognizable pulling away from the scene of the crime. He would have just been an anonymous gunman in a gang that assaulted a rich and powerful guy. Shocking, but nothing new that you don't see on Mexican news regularly.
Been thinking about the whole embezzlement scheme and it seems to me, from what I've observed, that no matter how many bad things the bad guys have done in the past (when they never got caught), they have to get caught doing something red-handed for everything else to come to light and for them to get in trouble. Hence, they needed Maura to do one more thing where she was caught in the act. Then, all the other stuff she's done can come to light either through revelation from someone else (Lisette) or through confession once the popo has her. Look at Elena- Did a ton of bad stuff. Got caught when trying to use deadly force to get Porfirio to change his will. Bruno- Has done everything under the sun. But is now only on the run because he left his two victims of attempted murder alive.
Has a bad guy in a novela ever taken a time out from doing bad stuff and then much later gotten punishment?
Has a bad guy in a novela ever taken a time out from doing bad stuff and then much later gotten punishment?
Thanks for the recap Melinama. I can't believer we are at the end. Just a couple of thoughts:
MJ doesn't have an office let alone a computer.
Why didn't Alex hit the gas and run over Bruno and his buddies?
So tonight I'm guessing the first 1/2 will be wrapping up loose ends and the last half a wedding. We will have to see.
MJ doesn't have an office let alone a computer.
Why didn't Alex hit the gas and run over Bruno and his buddies?
So tonight I'm guessing the first 1/2 will be wrapping up loose ends and the last half a wedding. We will have to see.
Thanks CHF for a quick & to-the-point recap. This episode seemed awkward and disjointed as they try to close down all the plotlines. I will certainly miss my daily dose of Wm. Levy. But, as for the "fusty wimp" with the "V" around her neck to remind her who she is, well, I've had about enough. Not sure how I feel about Daniela Romo's performance in this one. She might have been playing the role as written, or else couldn't wrap her head around the character. Either way, I'm glad its over. This was most certainly not Doña Juana.
Yes, why didn't Alex run over Bruno (brotherly love)? The spray of bullets surely was overkill (or in this case underkill). And at this point shouldn't Alex have hired muchos security guards for himself and the familia?
I too was thinking the weird barn scene was leading up to something. All that flammable hay and Eric with a match (?).
Lola
I too was thinking the weird barn scene was leading up to something. All that flammable hay and Eric with a match (?).
Lola
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:45:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:45:00 AM EST
Thanks Melinama for always making these things funny and fast. A true talent.
Wowweezowwee! Or maybe I should say rattattattatatum! Did Victoria even once go out to see the bullet holes in that car? I agree, Bruno could go guns a blazin' in front of her face and she would claim it had to be a hallucination caused by a bad cup of Felipa's tea.
LOL! "Vic, as usual, is clueless and in denial. [Have you noticed she has to wear a "V" around her neck as a clue to remind her what her own name is?]"
Wowweezowwee! Or maybe I should say rattattattatatum! Did Victoria even once go out to see the bullet holes in that car? I agree, Bruno could go guns a blazin' in front of her face and she would claim it had to be a hallucination caused by a bad cup of Felipa's tea.
LOL! "Vic, as usual, is clueless and in denial. [Have you noticed she has to wear a "V" around her neck as a clue to remind her what her own name is?]"
Vivi:
Good point, if the bad guys would just do all their crimes in the beginning of the novela then stop, everything would be forgotten and they could convert into good guys and get the girl!
Here in the US our entertainment seems to be written for either girls..."chick flicks" or guys..."action flicks". The novelas seem to have something for both...murder, embezzlement, shoot outs, sci fi, hit and run, fist fights, stalking, mysteries, with some romance thrown in. For me with Sorti, we’ve come up a little short on the romance part of the deal. Honestly, if I wanted to see two very tired people, with bags under their eyes tossing and turning all night long, I could focus a camera on my house. If WL is going to ruin his back carrying a woman up the stairs, let it be MJ and not a crying Paula. We’re at the end and we still have the Bruno thing to wrap up and we don’t have enough time to luxuriate in a great boda and OUR sexy honeymoon with WL in Cancun!
CHF, like I said at the end of MEPS, more than anything else, Caray Caray is like mission work. You have providing a place for busy and maybe sometimes even burdened people(or snowed in!) to have a laugh or two, and find friends and learn Spanish. There is a lot of love around here!! I would imagine, at the end of the day, this even extends to having a better a understanding and tolerance of the countries that are out neighbors.....thanks so much!!!
Good point, if the bad guys would just do all their crimes in the beginning of the novela then stop, everything would be forgotten and they could convert into good guys and get the girl!
Here in the US our entertainment seems to be written for either girls..."chick flicks" or guys..."action flicks". The novelas seem to have something for both...murder, embezzlement, shoot outs, sci fi, hit and run, fist fights, stalking, mysteries, with some romance thrown in. For me with Sorti, we’ve come up a little short on the romance part of the deal. Honestly, if I wanted to see two very tired people, with bags under their eyes tossing and turning all night long, I could focus a camera on my house. If WL is going to ruin his back carrying a woman up the stairs, let it be MJ and not a crying Paula. We’re at the end and we still have the Bruno thing to wrap up and we don’t have enough time to luxuriate in a great boda and OUR sexy honeymoon with WL in Cancun!
CHF, like I said at the end of MEPS, more than anything else, Caray Caray is like mission work. You have providing a place for busy and maybe sometimes even burdened people(or snowed in!) to have a laugh or two, and find friends and learn Spanish. There is a lot of love around here!! I would imagine, at the end of the day, this even extends to having a better a understanding and tolerance of the countries that are out neighbors.....thanks so much!!!
Does anyone think those two little girls could be witnesses maybe? That whole scene just didn't seem to fit. There was no point in it really.
Thanks for the recap Melinama. Not too smart of Bruno to stand in front of the car before he opened fire. Should have stayed hidden, but he only had one episode left. If Bruno would have kept all of the money he spent trying to do stuff to Alex, he'd be a very rich man.
I think they had the computer subplot just to have something to pin onto Maura? Also to have one last meeting of the Super Socios League.
I think they had the computer subplot just to have something to pin onto Maura? Also to have one last meeting of the Super Socios League.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 9:37:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 9:37:00 AM EST
Connie - Yes it would have made sense to just run over Bruno while he was firing away at Ale, and then drive away. However, Telenovela Rules prevent the galán from killing anyone. His hands are always clean.
I liked the way Pimp Daddy E gave Bruno the hairy-eyeball when Bruno was shouting at him. I had a dog that did that when he was disciplined and then would jump and try to bite your face off. Bruno better watch out!
Oh right Doris. I forgot about that. How about if he just bumped him a little and knocked him down and got his clothes all dirty? :P
Connie, you got to the heart of the lameness of the computer subplot --"MJ doesn't have an office let alone a computer". ROFL at my own stupidity for not thinking of the most obvious before your comment!!
CubsFan
CubsFan
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 9:47:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 9:47:00 AM EST
That's ok CubsFan. I didn't think about it until I was driving to work this morning. Duh! And like we were discussing yesterday nothing was done with the money. it was just sitting in the account to why not just transfer it back? It's not like she went out and bought a country with it or anything or went shopping.
The board took into consideration that Mj didn't have an office or computer, Bruno said that Paula made the transfer, that is what made MJ go ballistic at the meeting. Even given that, it was a super lame plot line.
I didn't catch that part either...I still think the computer subplot, especially being introduced less than one week before the end, was pointless. Wondering how they're going to be able to tie all the real loose ends in less than one hour tonight.
CubsFan
CubsFan
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:12:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:12:00 AM EST
Thanks for the recap CHP (Melinama). Sorry it was a lame night but your snark gave me a laugh.
Bruno continues to be an idiot. I think the writers have laid the groundwork for Eric to kill him; I hope its the first 5 minutes so this plot line can be finished.
Since kidnapping is a serious offense it will be fun to see Maura and Elena sentenced.
I hope we all get a nice payoff with Alex and MJ.
Bruno continues to be an idiot. I think the writers have laid the groundwork for Eric to kill him; I hope its the first 5 minutes so this plot line can be finished.
Since kidnapping is a serious offense it will be fun to see Maura and Elena sentenced.
I hope we all get a nice payoff with Alex and MJ.
Cristina show
I hope someone will set up a discussion for the show, so we don't have to add it to the Wed night recap.
http://www.cristinaonline.com/spanish/show/index.asp
JB has on a fantastic dress.
I hope someone will set up a discussion for the show, so we don't have to add it to the Wed night recap.
http://www.cristinaonline.com/spanish/show/index.asp
JB has on a fantastic dress.
Ibarra or anyone else for that matter,
Do you think that the car was really a bullet proof car provided by BMW as an advertisment for the Mexican audience? The scene, and particularly the glass looked so real.
Do you think that the car was really a bullet proof car provided by BMW as an advertisment for the Mexican audience? The scene, and particularly the glass looked so real.
CHP, you hit all the right notes on your recap. Thanks and thanks for all your hard work on this TN. last night was more eventful and interesting than the last few episodes. Love your "hand raising" comments...have to say there's quite a few characters in this TN I don't have too much sympathy for. But I'll still be a little sad it ends as I'm not doing hand stands over the prospect of CS. But I am looking forward to the wonderful coments I know I'll find here.
Ibarramedia, you are very correct on your assessment why Alex bout the armored vehicle. Just look how easy it was to find a bunch of thugs with submachine guns to attempt to kill Alex. For people as wealthy as the Lombardo's it's a precaution that is understandable.
Vic - hopeless. That's all I can say.
So now it is a question on how Bruno meets his end since we pretty well have everyone else wrapped up.
Ibarramedia, you are very correct on your assessment why Alex bout the armored vehicle. Just look how easy it was to find a bunch of thugs with submachine guns to attempt to kill Alex. For people as wealthy as the Lombardo's it's a precaution that is understandable.
Vic - hopeless. That's all I can say.
So now it is a question on how Bruno meets his end since we pretty well have everyone else wrapped up.
Connie and Lola, our human reflexes have conditioned us to duck down with all the bullets coming throught the windshield depite it being armored glass. The windshield was cracked enough that it seemed the volume of bullets would have penetrated the vehicle. Imagine your self driving and someone throws a stone at the car, you would still blink.
Doris since you and a few others are veterans here, I have to ask if there really is such a thing as written rules about the protagonists. Are they really rules or just 'guidelines'? The seeming rigid adherence to the so-called TN rules drives me nuts. Sorry for my stubbornness on this.
Once in a while, I might circumvent this to really lessen the predictability of things. I firmly believe if a story is well written, it will succeed despite the deviation from such rules. Way too formulaic.
When I saw those 2 girls hit the deck, I feared they were collateral damage hit by ricocheting bullets. Then later, I saw them rise. It was creepy the way Bruno was patting the head of that one child.
His arrogance and hatred of Alex was so much that he could not resist going to the front of the car and shoot. I guess he thought he was going to administer the coup de grace. It seems they stopped shooting when they ran out of bullets.
Ladies and Gentlemen here, if most of you thought that shooting up the car like that was over the top, I can assure you that in real life they do the same thing. Not just in movies that I watch. After all, their main goal was to destroy Alex by any means. Since Bruno is such an amateur, he can't even get murdering people right, he failed again.
Organized crime and terrorists would have car bombed the vehicle inside and outside so that aromored or not, the bomb kills the occupants. They couldm either set ip up that when Alejandro started the car, it blows up or use time bombs so it goes off at a certain time.
Ibarramedia
Doris since you and a few others are veterans here, I have to ask if there really is such a thing as written rules about the protagonists. Are they really rules or just 'guidelines'? The seeming rigid adherence to the so-called TN rules drives me nuts. Sorry for my stubbornness on this.
Once in a while, I might circumvent this to really lessen the predictability of things. I firmly believe if a story is well written, it will succeed despite the deviation from such rules. Way too formulaic.
When I saw those 2 girls hit the deck, I feared they were collateral damage hit by ricocheting bullets. Then later, I saw them rise. It was creepy the way Bruno was patting the head of that one child.
His arrogance and hatred of Alex was so much that he could not resist going to the front of the car and shoot. I guess he thought he was going to administer the coup de grace. It seems they stopped shooting when they ran out of bullets.
Ladies and Gentlemen here, if most of you thought that shooting up the car like that was over the top, I can assure you that in real life they do the same thing. Not just in movies that I watch. After all, their main goal was to destroy Alex by any means. Since Bruno is such an amateur, he can't even get murdering people right, he failed again.
Organized crime and terrorists would have car bombed the vehicle inside and outside so that aromored or not, the bomb kills the occupants. They couldm either set ip up that when Alejandro started the car, it blows up or use time bombs so it goes off at a certain time.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:50:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:50:00 AM EST
Variopinta, I could set up a general discussion Thursday night/Friday morning if we want to continue discussing from Wednesday. What does Viewerville think?
Bruno knew it was Alex b/c Alex wasnt that far from the house and someone was watching when they left. I think.
Alex tried driving off but the car was blocked in the front and back with cars
Bruno not telling the 2 girls to go showed just how inhuman he is.
Bruno hiring the killers just b/c Alex was going to have the cpu's checked seemed like he over reacted considering that the virus he put on the cpu was supposed to erase all evidence of the crime or he lied to Maura.
I was laughing at how Maura looked when she realized she was screwed.
If Erik doesnt kill Bruno one of the guys he hired may since I dont think he will pay since Alex is still breathing or maybe the guy they had put in jail to accuse Pedro. Im sure he's still pissed about not getting that lawyer that was promised but i guess he would be looking for Erik (Mario).
Alex tried driving off but the car was blocked in the front and back with cars
Bruno not telling the 2 girls to go showed just how inhuman he is.
Bruno hiring the killers just b/c Alex was going to have the cpu's checked seemed like he over reacted considering that the virus he put on the cpu was supposed to erase all evidence of the crime or he lied to Maura.
I was laughing at how Maura looked when she realized she was screwed.
If Erik doesnt kill Bruno one of the guys he hired may since I dont think he will pay since Alex is still breathing or maybe the guy they had put in jail to accuse Pedro. Im sure he's still pissed about not getting that lawyer that was promised but i guess he would be looking for Erik (Mario).
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:52:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:52:00 AM EST
Oh for sure you would duck and cover which is an automatic response. But maybe hit the gas while you were ducking and run the desgraciado infeliz over.
Sandy, My take on the matter is that it is more of a part of the storyline thing than blatant advertising. First of all, BMWs are expensive in the US to begin with. The Armored 750i is more expensive. I think cars are generally more expensive overseas. Don't be surprised to see a $15,000 Toyota Camry to be worth $62,000 in some parts of the world. There are other countries where just having a car is considered a luxury. Let alone, a luxury car.
I think they make deals pre production to feature BMW cars and that is fine by me. It makes sense. When you think about it, every single thing they wear, the food and drinks they consume,etc could be consideed advertising if you look at i that way. I just ignore that and just go with the flow of the storyline. I'm more likely to think about the hows and the whys of what is going on as I immerse myself in the whole story as it unfolds before my very eyes.
So, to me if it was subliminal advertising so be it. But it fits with the story. :)
Ibarramedia
I think they make deals pre production to feature BMW cars and that is fine by me. It makes sense. When you think about it, every single thing they wear, the food and drinks they consume,etc could be consideed advertising if you look at i that way. I just ignore that and just go with the flow of the storyline. I'm more likely to think about the hows and the whys of what is going on as I immerse myself in the whole story as it unfolds before my very eyes.
So, to me if it was subliminal advertising so be it. But it fits with the story. :)
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:59:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:59:00 AM EST
I, too, wished for less bags under the eyes and more romance. Sad to see this end all neat and tidy and happy without some more sexy kissing.
Are TNs available on DVDs for sale?
Thanks for everyone's outstanding recaps. This was my first TN, and I'm hoping to learn some Spanish in the event that WL appears on another one.
Thanks.
Are TNs available on DVDs for sale?
Thanks for everyone's outstanding recaps. This was my first TN, and I'm hoping to learn some Spanish in the event that WL appears on another one.
Thanks.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:04:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:04:00 AM EST
Connie, the car is at full stop. Try to accelerate without looking at the windshield. It won't work and it won't be fast enough to hit Bruno. You will just telegraph your moves to him and he will move away. You on the other hand will probably crash since you are still down. If you are wondering why not sit up? The glass area is still the most vulnerable part of the car despite it being armored.
Alex was also concerned aboutn Paula who was understandably hysterical. It is easy for us to say do this and od that, but if we are actually in the situation, we may behave differently. I even thought a bullet somehow got throught the car and nailed Paula.
A cliche' but easier said than done. :)
Ibarramedia
Alex was also concerned aboutn Paula who was understandably hysterical. It is easy for us to say do this and od that, but if we are actually in the situation, we may behave differently. I even thought a bullet somehow got throught the car and nailed Paula.
A cliche' but easier said than done. :)
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:06:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:06:00 AM EST
Connie,
I'm thinking a discussion just for the Cristina show. I looked at the ad again & the cast is on again on Mar 1 with Chantal Andere & David Zepeda.
I'm thinking a discussion just for the Cristina show. I looked at the ad again & the cast is on again on Mar 1 with Chantal Andere & David Zepeda.
I'm not sure if they used a regular car doubling as an'armored car'. When we first learned that Alex had purchased a car, I don' think I commented about it. But I noticed that the glass did not seem thick enough. Since I'm not seeing, and touching the car first hand, I would think it is a regular car that for story purposes is a 'armored car'. The presidential limo is the top of the line of armored cars for obvious reasons. Here check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_State_Car_(United_States)
Of course, I don't expect regular citizens, the very wealthy included to own this car.
Ibarramedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_State_Car_(United_States)
Of course, I don't expect regular citizens, the very wealthy included to own this car.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:14:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:14:00 AM EST
Sure Variopinta. We can do it. The show is Thursday night right? We'll probably be all talked out about Wed Sorti by then.
Here is more info on armored cars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_car_(VIP)
Ibarramedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_car_(VIP)
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:20:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:20:00 AM EST
It seems we operate differently. We never look at the the hard drive of the individual user's PC. We have logs on the server that tell us who the user was at any specific time from both the operating system and from logging onto the application. We also have the IP of the machine that was used, the time and the actual transaction. It's on the log of the server. We turn on auditing and we can examine the logs for our critical, financial applications.
It would not be necessary to even look at the PC hard drive.
Lynne
It would not be necessary to even look at the PC hard drive.
Lynne
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:34:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:34:00 AM EST
Cristina with the actors who portrayed Alex, MJ, Victoria and Fernando will be on Monday night 2/22. On the Monday night March 1st show, the actors from the 2/22 show will be on as well as Bruno and Raquel. Both shows were already taped. Jacky B just changed her dress between tapings.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:37:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:37:00 AM EST
To the anon who was asking about TNs on dvds. The answer is yes. MEPS has been available in DVD from Mexico.
Here is a site that sells 18 dvds of Sortilegio and a few others. I think it is bootlegged though.
http://hollywood-florida.olx.com/telenovela-sortilegio-pal-18-dvd-iid-59920035
Here is one for MEPS.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=manana&_kw=es&_kw=para&_kw=dvd
Ibarramedia
Here is a site that sells 18 dvds of Sortilegio and a few others. I think it is bootlegged though.
http://hollywood-florida.olx.com/telenovela-sortilegio-pal-18-dvd-iid-59920035
Here is one for MEPS.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=manana&_kw=es&_kw=para&_kw=dvd
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:40:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:40:00 AM EST
Lynne said:
"It seems we operate differently. We never look at the the hard drive of the individual user's PC. We have logs on the server that tell us who the user was at any specific time from both the operating system and from logging onto the application. We also have the IP of the machine that was used, the time and the actual transaction. It's on the log of the server. We turn on auditing and we can examine the logs for our critical, financial applications.
It would not be necessary to even look at the PC hard drive."
Lynne
Some places use both you methods and Lombardi's method of computer forensics. I don't think it is overkill. If one method does not yeild what you are seeking, use another method.
Here is an interesting article:
[edit] Live vs. Static analysis
Traditionally computer forensic investigations were performed on data at rest, for example, the content of hard drives. This can be thought of as a static analysis. Investigators were told to shut down computer systems when they were impounded for fear that digital time-bombs might cause data to be erased.
In recent years there has increasingly been an emphasis on performing analysis on live systems. One reason is that many current attacks against computer systems leave no trace on the computer's hard drive; the attacker only exploits information in the computer's memory. Another reason is the growing use of cryptographic storage: it may be that the only copy of the keys to decrypt the storage are in the computer's memory, turning off the computer will cause that information to be lost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_forensics
Regarding ip addresses. They can easily be spoofed. Evidence of this are a few trolls on one of the forums that I go to. They have been banned countless times , ip address banned too. Not just the username, yet they continually show up using spoofed ip addresses.
Ibarramedia
"It seems we operate differently. We never look at the the hard drive of the individual user's PC. We have logs on the server that tell us who the user was at any specific time from both the operating system and from logging onto the application. We also have the IP of the machine that was used, the time and the actual transaction. It's on the log of the server. We turn on auditing and we can examine the logs for our critical, financial applications.
It would not be necessary to even look at the PC hard drive."
Lynne
Some places use both you methods and Lombardi's method of computer forensics. I don't think it is overkill. If one method does not yeild what you are seeking, use another method.
Here is an interesting article:
[edit] Live vs. Static analysis
Traditionally computer forensic investigations were performed on data at rest, for example, the content of hard drives. This can be thought of as a static analysis. Investigators were told to shut down computer systems when they were impounded for fear that digital time-bombs might cause data to be erased.
In recent years there has increasingly been an emphasis on performing analysis on live systems. One reason is that many current attacks against computer systems leave no trace on the computer's hard drive; the attacker only exploits information in the computer's memory. Another reason is the growing use of cryptographic storage: it may be that the only copy of the keys to decrypt the storage are in the computer's memory, turning off the computer will cause that information to be lost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_forensics
Regarding ip addresses. They can easily be spoofed. Evidence of this are a few trolls on one of the forums that I go to. They have been banned countless times , ip address banned too. Not just the username, yet they continually show up using spoofed ip addresses.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:48:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:48:00 AM EST
Since tonight is the last episode, is the posting section going to open right after the show finishes airing or are we going to wait until after the recap is posted? I think many of us will be chomping at the bit to voice our 2cents on the last episode.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:55:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:55:00 AM EST
Thanks so much, Melinama, for the recap and, especially, for this amazing site!
Someone asked whether TNs are available for purchase on DVD. Many are, usually in abridged versions that come out after the TN has ended. However, there's also a site that sells unabridged TNs and already is selling Sortilegio on 19 DVDs for $90. The URL for this offer is http://www.te-lenovelas.com/id130.html . The overall link is http://www.te-lenovelas.com/index.html . I've never bought one of these unabridged DVD sets, just the abridged versions from Amazon and Best Buy (and a couple of short unabridged sets sold by Amazon, such as Azul Tequila), so I have no idea what the quality of the DVDs sold at te-lenovelas.com is like.
Someone asked whether TNs are available for purchase on DVD. Many are, usually in abridged versions that come out after the TN has ended. However, there's also a site that sells unabridged TNs and already is selling Sortilegio on 19 DVDs for $90. The URL for this offer is http://www.te-lenovelas.com/id130.html . The overall link is http://www.te-lenovelas.com/index.html . I've never bought one of these unabridged DVD sets, just the abridged versions from Amazon and Best Buy (and a couple of short unabridged sets sold by Amazon, such as Azul Tequila), so I have no idea what the quality of the DVDs sold at te-lenovelas.com is like.
According to Carla Estrada's twitter from Jan.11th, she was editing the DVD version of Sorti and was going to include a lot of behind the camera scenes
# MUCHAS GRACIAS POR TODOS SUS COMENTARIOS, HOY COMENZARON A EDITAR EL DVD, YA PRONTO LO PODRAN OBTENER, HAY MUCHO DE DETRAS DE CAMARAS..... 11:23 PM Jan 11th from web
# MUCHAS GRACIAS POR TODOS SUS COMENTARIOS, HOY COMENZARON A EDITAR EL DVD, YA PRONTO LO PODRAN OBTENER, HAY MUCHO DE DETRAS DE CAMARAS..... 11:23 PM Jan 11th from web
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:03:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:03:00 PM EST
I've watched on DVD:
Destilando Amor--not too bad. Cut out a lot of stupid stuff.
Alborada--loved it and it didn't seem too chopped up.
Amor Real--chopped up. Original is much better.
Fuego--on DVD--haven't watched it.
You can find them at Amazon.com and sometimes on Ebay.
Destilando Amor--not too bad. Cut out a lot of stupid stuff.
Alborada--loved it and it didn't seem too chopped up.
Amor Real--chopped up. Original is much better.
Fuego--on DVD--haven't watched it.
You can find them at Amazon.com and sometimes on Ebay.
For Anon 01:02:00 a.m. Bruno didn't know that Alex would be in MJ's car and he didn't know that it was bullet proof.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:12:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:12:00 PM EST
The virus can only be spread to the network or website, if the USER is logged onto that site. I'm missing something here. The log of the PC is only of relevance if the data was saved on the hard drive. In addition one would have to know:
1. The name of the table where the data is saved.
2. We only give highly privileged IDs the authority to access certain tables. We monitor these highly privileged IDs like hawks.
Lynne
1. The name of the table where the data is saved.
2. We only give highly privileged IDs the authority to access certain tables. We monitor these highly privileged IDs like hawks.
Lynne
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:19:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:19:00 PM EST
Agreed about the viruses Lynne. But I was speaking more about tracing the transaction on Maura's computer, keystrokes logged in, etc rather than the virus. Another thing about the virus, The whole Lombardo computer system should have been infected and an interesting scenario would have had someone saying the system will be down because of an infection. I;m sure they have fail safe back ups for such an event other wise it would paralyze their whole operation.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:25:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:25:00 PM EST
Thanks for the great recap and for all the recappers. You did a great job.
I couldn't help but thinking of this comparison
WilE Coyote (Bruno) = 0
Road Runner (Alex) = 9 as in lives
I couldn't help but thinking of this comparison
WilE Coyote (Bruno) = 0
Road Runner (Alex) = 9 as in lives
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:25:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:25:00 PM EST
Connie, The show is at 10:00 PM Mon the 22nd & Mon Mar 1st.
Cristina is always on Mon night.
After Corazón Salvaje
Cristina is always on Mon night.
After Corazón Salvaje
OK - I give up :) - too lazy to research this further. If either MJ or Paula had the authority to do the transfer, it is a badly managed computer system. The auditors here would pounce on it immediately.
Lynne
Lynne
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:42:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:42:00 PM EST
I don't think Bruno could have done his initial evil deed (kill Alex, defraud Alex's estate w/MJ's help) and stopped.
I think once you decide you need to kill somebody in order to be happy, you've crossed a line you can't really come back from. The hatred has just consumed Bruno. The fire must be extinguished for good.
Even if Bruno had decided to start a fresh new life in Toluca, or Mexico City, or even the United States, he still would have been consumed with what Alex had.
IMO Maura never loved Alex because if she did, she wouldn't want to hurt him. Kidnapping his wife, robbing his child of the mother, stealing from his company, conspiring with his brother...all of that stuff HURTS Alex.
Plus, she didn't love Alex because he was a nice person, or somebody who would do anything for the people he loves. Maura "loves" Alex because of his status and wealth. She wanted to be "Maura Lombardo" not because she wanted to give him a family, not because she understood how famiy was important to him, but because as "Maura Lombardo" she could give society parties and flaunt her status as "Maura Lombardo" around Merida.
If Alex was as broke as Lisette's new friend or Gabriel she would never give him a second look. Even if Alex were on Fernando's level, she wouldn't give him a second look.
I think once you decide you need to kill somebody in order to be happy, you've crossed a line you can't really come back from. The hatred has just consumed Bruno. The fire must be extinguished for good.
Even if Bruno had decided to start a fresh new life in Toluca, or Mexico City, or even the United States, he still would have been consumed with what Alex had.
IMO Maura never loved Alex because if she did, she wouldn't want to hurt him. Kidnapping his wife, robbing his child of the mother, stealing from his company, conspiring with his brother...all of that stuff HURTS Alex.
Plus, she didn't love Alex because he was a nice person, or somebody who would do anything for the people he loves. Maura "loves" Alex because of his status and wealth. She wanted to be "Maura Lombardo" not because she wanted to give him a family, not because she understood how famiy was important to him, but because as "Maura Lombardo" she could give society parties and flaunt her status as "Maura Lombardo" around Merida.
If Alex was as broke as Lisette's new friend or Gabriel she would never give him a second look. Even if Alex were on Fernando's level, she wouldn't give him a second look.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:48:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:48:00 PM EST
Great recap, CHF, I liked how you summarized each section rather than jumping back and forth. Thanks again for all your recaps.
Someone asked if Alex would order additional security now that his car was attacked. Well, in a way, he did. He told everyone they had to stay in the house. The house has security. That's why he had to call Roberto to get a computer expert to analyze the computers, something he was going to do himself.
Lynne, you're probably right about the computer thing, but it's easier to explain to the audience that you just look on your own computer's hard drive, and the info is there. The average person can relate to that, so the writers went with that explanation, even though it's probably not accurate.
Although it would be a great ad to have used a real armoured BMW, I doubt they did. First of all, there's no way Bruno and the guys would shoot real bullets - period. So they probably just showed the blanks being shot, and used special effects for the polka-dot effect. But it was very believable, and if I were as rich as Alex, and lived in Merida, and was married to MJ, I'd buy one of the those BMW's, too.
I still like Vicky, and felt her reactions were consistent. Although she will say "I can't believe Bruno did it", she doesn't mean that literally. Felipa then says, but deep inside you really do, right? And Vicky's look proves that's true. Of course she knows he's guilty, it's just hard to say that out loud about your son.
Someone asked if Alex would order additional security now that his car was attacked. Well, in a way, he did. He told everyone they had to stay in the house. The house has security. That's why he had to call Roberto to get a computer expert to analyze the computers, something he was going to do himself.
Lynne, you're probably right about the computer thing, but it's easier to explain to the audience that you just look on your own computer's hard drive, and the info is there. The average person can relate to that, so the writers went with that explanation, even though it's probably not accurate.
Although it would be a great ad to have used a real armoured BMW, I doubt they did. First of all, there's no way Bruno and the guys would shoot real bullets - period. So they probably just showed the blanks being shot, and used special effects for the polka-dot effect. But it was very believable, and if I were as rich as Alex, and lived in Merida, and was married to MJ, I'd buy one of the those BMW's, too.
I still like Vicky, and felt her reactions were consistent. Although she will say "I can't believe Bruno did it", she doesn't mean that literally. Felipa then says, but deep inside you really do, right? And Vicky's look proves that's true. Of course she knows he's guilty, it's just hard to say that out loud about your son.
Fair enough lynne. I agree about a mismanaged computer system. Now to roll along with the story, we have to see where they go from here.
Conie, As I said yesterday, It is the act of the transfer that they are having an uproar about. Sure it is easy to reverse it. But they want some answers. We obviously know it was not Maria Jose. They want to know who really did it and why, They already have Maura.
It is like shoplifting at a department store. Theloss prevention guys can get back the item stolen but it is not over yet. It is just the beginning. They do the paperwork, take mugshots for their own records, await the cops fro the formal arrest and turnover (Yes,They DO arrest)The department that had the item stolen does not get it back until after the case because it is used as evidence.
Anon What I meant was that Maura did not want to see Alejandro physically harmed, as in dying from gunshot wounds or worse dead. I get the whole status and wanting to be Alejandro's wife. I do agree if Alejandro was dirt poor like Gabriel that she would not even think twice about him. In her own littel way, I think Maura still **cares** about his well being however twisted or selfish we may think it maight be. Good post though.
Ibarramedia
Conie, As I said yesterday, It is the act of the transfer that they are having an uproar about. Sure it is easy to reverse it. But they want some answers. We obviously know it was not Maria Jose. They want to know who really did it and why, They already have Maura.
It is like shoplifting at a department store. Theloss prevention guys can get back the item stolen but it is not over yet. It is just the beginning. They do the paperwork, take mugshots for their own records, await the cops fro the formal arrest and turnover (Yes,They DO arrest)The department that had the item stolen does not get it back until after the case because it is used as evidence.
Anon What I meant was that Maura did not want to see Alejandro physically harmed, as in dying from gunshot wounds or worse dead. I get the whole status and wanting to be Alejandro's wife. I do agree if Alejandro was dirt poor like Gabriel that she would not even think twice about him. In her own littel way, I think Maura still **cares** about his well being however twisted or selfish we may think it maight be. Good post though.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:00:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:00:00 PM EST
Melinama, thank you for the terrific recap. For the record, I didn't raise my hand once. Nopis.
I'm so grateful to you for this marvelous blog and the wonderful summaries and comments provided by the recappers and commenters.
Bruno has been a stellar villain and should have a spectacular demise!
Diana
I'm so grateful to you for this marvelous blog and the wonderful summaries and comments provided by the recappers and commenters.
Bruno has been a stellar villain and should have a spectacular demise!
Diana
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:00:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:00:00 PM EST
Lynne, That would apply if you knew where the computer was located, but how would you track one that you didn't know where it was? Could that money transfer be traced back to the source (exact computer) from the bank acct?
I always thought my IP was my computer, but I just found out, it's the vicinity of my computer.
I always thought my IP was my computer, but I just found out, it's the vicinity of my computer.
estupidez otra vez
Apparently Maura used her own pin #. She got MJ's bank acct # but not the pin #. MJ probably never even opened the envelope.
Apparently Maura used her own pin #. She got MJ's bank acct # but not the pin #. MJ probably never even opened the envelope.
Loved the last recap for Sorti Melinama. I don't feel sorry for Elena, Maura, or Bruno. They all brought their misfortunes on themselves through their selfishness and contempt for those they feel are beneath them. Good thing Alex and Paula were in the armoured car or it would have been all over for them like Bonnie and Clyde. I couldn't believe that Alex drove the bullet riddled vehicle back to the Lombardo compound. Well, tonight is the night to bid Sorti an farewell. I will miss this show.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:15:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:15:00 PM EST
Variopinta i didn't hear that part is that true that idiot Maura used her own pin number to frame MJ with Bruno
Wow she really should have married Bruno these two idiots were destined to be stupid together.
Wow she really should have married Bruno these two idiots were destined to be stupid together.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST
I agree with your post Hombre. Well said.
Variopinta I agree with your last two comments too.
Ibarramedia
Variopinta I agree with your last two comments too.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST
Pirate Babe, I think it was around the corner from the Compound. This is one time that they should have used that chopper. Oh well. It is what it is.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:19:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 1:19:00 PM EST
Wow! Actually had to fully concentrate on work this morning, and I come to Caray to find that you guys have really done a deep dive into the whole computer issue. I think Hombre is right, that they kept it as simple as possible for the layman. I'm fine with that. But great comments and lunchtime reading. :)
Did anyone else notice how scared Maura got when MJ came after Bruno in the board room and got some accidental slaps in on Maura too? She really is a coward, just like Bruno has called her a few times. She doesn't confront face to face- she always does things behind your back if she's trying to get to you. And when she's in a dangerous situation her first instinct is to cower and start screaming in fright (the kidnapping, the shooting). Even MJ, who is a crier, will put up a good fight (the robbery/stabbing, the kidnapping, fights with Bruno) until she's slapped down.
Did anyone else notice how scared Maura got when MJ came after Bruno in the board room and got some accidental slaps in on Maura too? She really is a coward, just like Bruno has called her a few times. She doesn't confront face to face- she always does things behind your back if she's trying to get to you. And when she's in a dangerous situation her first instinct is to cower and start screaming in fright (the kidnapping, the shooting). Even MJ, who is a crier, will put up a good fight (the robbery/stabbing, the kidnapping, fights with Bruno) until she's slapped down.
We have all kinds of rules to limit access. Even Alex as a business owner should not have access to critical table. The change should only be done if there is an authorized request that can be tracked. The change should be done by an Application person - usually via a program. If the change is an adhoc change, there are other controls. One would have to sign out a special ID that is controlled. I don't think you could use an anonymous IP. So the logs that I examine, show the ID of the person who logged into the Operating system as well as the computer. It shows the session number. Then when they get a special password, their name appears three times. I can see the actual SQL and have to match it back to the request. Any exceptions get escalated to management. I have the exact times when the changes were made and everything has to match.
Lynne
Lynne
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:03:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:03:00 PM EST
Thanks everyone on the IT and armored car info, let’s just hope that none of us ever has to use it.
The scene with Pedro saying that he and Cucho would be big brothers to single Metche was really sweet!
One thing that has been handled well in this novela is the relationship between Maura and Lisette. While Maura lost herself in pointless criminal plots to “get Alex back”, Lisette was solid and unafraid to point out the obvious truth...Alex is never coming back, get on with your life. Maura, by discussing the plots with Bruno at home, inadvertently compromised her sister, she became an accessory. Maura begged Lisette to keep quiet and she did reluctantly, then she was the one who had to face Alex with the truth, not Maura. Despite all this, and the fact that Maura was no sister at all during her illness, Lisette ran to the jail to be with Maura. Unlike some fiction, in Sorti, Lisette’s goodness brought her a prize..... a new novio and amiga. I agree with those who are saying that for Maura, the Lombardo social position was a big part of her love for Alex....
Speaking of Maura and Alex, I was hoping that Alex would go with Det. Ortiz into Maura’s office for the showdown and at that time would have given her that Alex Lombardo super dirty look that he does so well. Her arrest would have been just a little sweeter.
The scene with Pedro saying that he and Cucho would be big brothers to single Metche was really sweet!
One thing that has been handled well in this novela is the relationship between Maura and Lisette. While Maura lost herself in pointless criminal plots to “get Alex back”, Lisette was solid and unafraid to point out the obvious truth...Alex is never coming back, get on with your life. Maura, by discussing the plots with Bruno at home, inadvertently compromised her sister, she became an accessory. Maura begged Lisette to keep quiet and she did reluctantly, then she was the one who had to face Alex with the truth, not Maura. Despite all this, and the fact that Maura was no sister at all during her illness, Lisette ran to the jail to be with Maura. Unlike some fiction, in Sorti, Lisette’s goodness brought her a prize..... a new novio and amiga. I agree with those who are saying that for Maura, the Lombardo social position was a big part of her love for Alex....
Speaking of Maura and Alex, I was hoping that Alex would go with Det. Ortiz into Maura’s office for the showdown and at that time would have given her that Alex Lombardo super dirty look that he does so well. Her arrest would have been just a little sweeter.
Ibarramedia, you could be right about the box in the barn being a fan rather than a heater. To me,it looked a lot like one of those "Amish" heaters (yes, I've seen too many ads for those). Anyway, Bruno staying in a highly flammable environment is tempting fate. Plus, he needs to learn to live surrounded by flames so he'll feel at home in hell.
La Paloma
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:27:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:27:00 PM EST
IMO Maura was in love with the idea of Alex and the status being a Lombardo brings because without status, she is nothing. She doesn't have anything else to offer anyone except being a piece of cute arm candy. She doesn't have anything else to say except talk about parties and other people.
If Maria Jose, a dirt poor peasant can capture the heart and soul of a Lombardo over Maura, who was rich and beautiful and had status, what does that make Maura?
Maura is a very pitiful character.
If Maria Jose, a dirt poor peasant can capture the heart and soul of a Lombardo over Maura, who was rich and beautiful and had status, what does that make Maura?
Maura is a very pitiful character.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:32:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:32:00 PM EST
Hombre, you said: "I still like Vicky, and felt her reactions were consistent. Although she will say "I can't believe Bruno did it", she doesn't mean that literally. Felipa then says, but deep inside you really do, right? And Vicky's look proves that's true. Of course she knows he's guilty, it's just hard to say that out loud about your son."
I couldn't have said it better. I have to wonder if those who see it differently were 1) called stupid and given up on or easily accused by their own parents. Or,
2) were quick to judge their own children of wrongdoing based on other peoples suspicions.
I'm just saying ...
I couldn't have said it better. I have to wonder if those who see it differently were 1) called stupid and given up on or easily accused by their own parents. Or,
2) were quick to judge their own children of wrongdoing based on other peoples suspicions.
I'm just saying ...
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:51:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 2:51:00 PM EST
Lynne:
Thanks so much for your comments on the ins and outs of computer security in a corporate environment. I found your information and personal experience most informative. I am glad to hear that in real life procedures are so careful.
EJ
Thanks so much for your comments on the ins and outs of computer security in a corporate environment. I found your information and personal experience most informative. I am glad to hear that in real life procedures are so careful.
EJ
Sandy- When Alex asked Mari if Maura was in her office, he sent the detective alone to see her and said that he didn't even want to look at her. I took that to mean that he would kill her, or do something very ungentlemanly, if he laid eyes on her, so best to let the cops handle it without him.
My vote is yes to a separate posting for the Cristina show next week. From the link to the synopsis of the show Variopinta sent, it looks like it will be a good show.
Hombre- Agree with your assessment of Vicky. It's hard to say out loud that your child is a perverse murderer, even if you believe it in your heart. This, much more so than the May-December romance, is Vicky's biggest challenge.
Hombre- Agree with your assessment of Vicky. It's hard to say out loud that your child is a perverse murderer, even if you believe it in your heart. This, much more so than the May-December romance, is Vicky's biggest challenge.
The only person Maura loves is Maura!
OT--I just got my Dell Netbook. I want to go home and play! Now I don't have to use the clunker for recaps. 8(;-P
OT--I just got my Dell Netbook. I want to go home and play! Now I don't have to use the clunker for recaps. 8(;-P
Vivi i LOL at that scene because once Bruno started his new lie it was Paula who did it for their druken father that set off MJ who got up to confront Bruno.
Subconsciously Maura's guilt came into play and she got up too, that's when Bruno tried to hide behind her to ward off a enraged MJ who Alex was trying to be hold back.
Sandy at the beginning when Lissette tried to talk some sense into Maura to move on from Alex it seem that she was scared of Maura because at that time Maura told her i control the money so do what i say and help me think of a way to break up Alex and MJ. This where the Mario Aguirre plot got hatched.
As for Maura i have met a lot Maura's in my lifetime who don't even have the same social status as this fictional character. They do have the same attitudes and prejudices that they are better in their looks department and are defined by the man or men they are going out with.
Also i agree with Vivi Alex after being told that the transaction was done from Maura's computer he had, had enough i don't think he trusted himself to be in the same room with her.
When he went and told Lissette that Maura was arrested it was finally confirmed what he suspected that Maura had a hand in MJ's kidnapping.The look on his face was like he could have prevented this if he had just told MJ the truth about the Mario Aguirre lie.
Subconsciously Maura's guilt came into play and she got up too, that's when Bruno tried to hide behind her to ward off a enraged MJ who Alex was trying to be hold back.
Sandy at the beginning when Lissette tried to talk some sense into Maura to move on from Alex it seem that she was scared of Maura because at that time Maura told her i control the money so do what i say and help me think of a way to break up Alex and MJ. This where the Mario Aguirre plot got hatched.
As for Maura i have met a lot Maura's in my lifetime who don't even have the same social status as this fictional character. They do have the same attitudes and prejudices that they are better in their looks department and are defined by the man or men they are going out with.
Also i agree with Vivi Alex after being told that the transaction was done from Maura's computer he had, had enough i don't think he trusted himself to be in the same room with her.
When he went and told Lissette that Maura was arrested it was finally confirmed what he suspected that Maura had a hand in MJ's kidnapping.The look on his face was like he could have prevented this if he had just told MJ the truth about the Mario Aguirre lie.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 3:22:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 3:22:00 PM EST
Hombre and Vivi, I have been saying that all along the past few times, during the beginning and middle point of the series. Not in the same exact words but you get the gist of it.
There was a time I even said that most people were unforgiving souls when it came to Victoria being very skeptical and protective of her children.
I even said before that Most parents of criminals are protective of their kids even though they know they are guilty. Just a parental instinct. How can you go against you own flesh and blood?
The case with Bruno now, most parents would just be resigned to his fate.
Let me use a less extreme example. When we were all in school, how many of us got in trouble at least once or a few times? Our parents will always defend us or at least give us the benefit of the doubt. They would certainly not throw you under the bus if they were a good parent. There is also this thing called unconditional love. Surprising that I'm bringing this up. Normally the women would have said that sooner.
Ibarramedia
There was a time I even said that most people were unforgiving souls when it came to Victoria being very skeptical and protective of her children.
I even said before that Most parents of criminals are protective of their kids even though they know they are guilty. Just a parental instinct. How can you go against you own flesh and blood?
The case with Bruno now, most parents would just be resigned to his fate.
Let me use a less extreme example. When we were all in school, how many of us got in trouble at least once or a few times? Our parents will always defend us or at least give us the benefit of the doubt. They would certainly not throw you under the bus if they were a good parent. There is also this thing called unconditional love. Surprising that I'm bringing this up. Normally the women would have said that sooner.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 3:29:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 3:29:00 PM EST
Connoie, I guess you would give Maura a mirror as a present eh?
I see you brought back your beanie smiley.
Ibarramedia
I see you brought back your beanie smiley.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 3:32:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 3:32:00 PM EST
Let me add this also that Alex is just tire of dealing with what did he say to Ferdumbo when he was posing as Nicholas hyenas. These hyenas have conspired time and time again to try to ruin his relationship with MJ.
Granted he partially at fault but he finally had to accept how wrong he was about still trusting in Maura and allowing her to be around him and MJ. He probably would have done her bodily harm if he went with the Det. so it's good that he just sent him to confront Maura by himself.
This should be a lesson to Alex who didn't think Maura was that dangerous when the people who are close to you and have only your best interest at heart try to warn you about someone. Pay attention because it could be costly and dangerous.
Granted he partially at fault but he finally had to accept how wrong he was about still trusting in Maura and allowing her to be around him and MJ. He probably would have done her bodily harm if he went with the Det. so it's good that he just sent him to confront Maura by himself.
This should be a lesson to Alex who didn't think Maura was that dangerous when the people who are close to you and have only your best interest at heart try to warn you about someone. Pay attention because it could be costly and dangerous.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 3:35:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 3:35:00 PM EST
Yep. Give Maura a really big mirror so she can sit around thinking just how special she really is. She, too, is a legend in her own mind. (Sounds like my second husband!)
8(:-) Getting my beanie warmed up for Corazon. 8(:}
8(:-) Getting my beanie warmed up for Corazon. 8(:}
Anon, thanks for reminding me about the money thing with Maura and Lisette. (You have a computer brain for details like other people here!) Thanks...
On Alex, Ortiz and Maura...I didn't quite get why he didn't go into her office, but, I wanted him to go and deliver his super bad look...just for me!
On Vicky...there is the public Vicky and the private Vicky...when push comes to shove, in public, at Lombardo C and in dealing with Bruno, she has gone to bat for Alex, standing down Bruno....When she is quiet and at home, she reverts to a "denial" mode. But I did notice when Alex came back to the house after the shooting, as he walked toward her telling her it was Bruno...he gave her a serious look and emphasiazed his words quite a bit.... IT WAS BRUNO, I SAW HIM!
On Alex, Ortiz and Maura...I didn't quite get why he didn't go into her office, but, I wanted him to go and deliver his super bad look...just for me!
On Vicky...there is the public Vicky and the private Vicky...when push comes to shove, in public, at Lombardo C and in dealing with Bruno, she has gone to bat for Alex, standing down Bruno....When she is quiet and at home, she reverts to a "denial" mode. But I did notice when Alex came back to the house after the shooting, as he walked toward her telling her it was Bruno...he gave her a serious look and emphasiazed his words quite a bit.... IT WAS BRUNO, I SAW HIM!
With Maura in the big house, Lisette will get control of all of their inherited money, right? Yay! She can move her new bff Lety, and her new man Sergio, in with her. Or downsize from the Hello Kitty Palace to something a little more manageable. I'm sure their maid will be happy to have a smaller space to clean (and to have Maura gone too).
Unlike most here, I think Alex is STILL giving Maura the benefit of the doubt!!When he went to talk to Lisette he practically gave her the exact phrasing to put all the blame on Bruno for manipulating Maura. He STILL didn't want to believe that she willingly participated in the computer scam. The big anvil didn't seem to hit Alex' head until Lisette said she thought Bruno and Maura's dealings dated back to their kidnapping of MJ!!! If he wasn't so cute, I'd hate him!!!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 4:20:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 4:20:00 PM EST
I'm sure Alex did not want to believe that Maura could do something so dastardly.
Mario Aguirre? Yeah, that was trifling but that was nothing compared to kidnapping and theft.
The same blind spot Victoria has for Bruno, Alex has for Maura. You just don't want to believe that someone you care about or love could do evil things like they did.
Bruno could have gunned down Alex in front of Victoria and she still would be like "Oh no, not Bruno, something must have made him do it."
Likewise, Alex could have caught Maura in the act of typing in PIN numbers and stealing the money and he still would have been like "Oh, Bruno made Maura do it."
But to have confirmation from Lisette that Maura was an active participant in Maria Jose's kidnapping...and then to realize that she was there, whispering in his ear about him facing that MJ is dead and to move on....and when MJ (Sandra) was found, whispering to him to just pull the plug and move on...
I don't think Alex didn't accompany the Detective to Maura's arrest because he wanted to throttle her, he didn't go because it's just too disappointing.
But THAT was before he found out that Maura was an active participant in MJ's kidnapping. If Alex had known that before the PoPo locked Maura up, I think he would have gone down to her office and chewed her out. But that honor might go to MJ tonight.
Mario Aguirre? Yeah, that was trifling but that was nothing compared to kidnapping and theft.
The same blind spot Victoria has for Bruno, Alex has for Maura. You just don't want to believe that someone you care about or love could do evil things like they did.
Bruno could have gunned down Alex in front of Victoria and she still would be like "Oh no, not Bruno, something must have made him do it."
Likewise, Alex could have caught Maura in the act of typing in PIN numbers and stealing the money and he still would have been like "Oh, Bruno made Maura do it."
But to have confirmation from Lisette that Maura was an active participant in Maria Jose's kidnapping...and then to realize that she was there, whispering in his ear about him facing that MJ is dead and to move on....and when MJ (Sandra) was found, whispering to him to just pull the plug and move on...
I don't think Alex didn't accompany the Detective to Maura's arrest because he wanted to throttle her, he didn't go because it's just too disappointing.
But THAT was before he found out that Maura was an active participant in MJ's kidnapping. If Alex had known that before the PoPo locked Maura up, I think he would have gone down to her office and chewed her out. But that honor might go to MJ tonight.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 4:34:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 4:34:00 PM EST
I think Alex didn't want to go in with Ortiz because he might have lost control and throttled her. He looked pretty disgusted with the whole thing. Has he known her a long time like they grew up together or just from them being novios? I'm not sure anything was ever said about it I was just wondering.
No Anon 4:20 Alex was definitely not giving Maura the benefit of a doubt any longer after finding out she helped Bruno with the money transferred into MJ account he was done with her.
The look on his face when Lissettes told him about her involvement in the MJ kidnapping was like it's his fault angry and shocked that he still believed she wasn't capable of harming MJ that way.
Angry with himself by continuing to deal with her and not listening to those who warn him that she was obsessed with him in this day in age when other people warn you that someone maybe obsessed with you. You better take that warning seriously.
The look on his face when Lissettes told him about her involvement in the MJ kidnapping was like it's his fault angry and shocked that he still believed she wasn't capable of harming MJ that way.
Angry with himself by continuing to deal with her and not listening to those who warn him that she was obsessed with him in this day in age when other people warn you that someone maybe obsessed with you. You better take that warning seriously.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 4:39:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 4:39:00 PM EST
Alex did have a blindspot for Maura like Vicki has for Bruno.
I would never called the Mario Aguirre plot trifling because it not only broke apart Alex and MJ it nearly cost her, her life and their baby.
Maura showed no remorse for what she did she just didn't want to be blackmailed by Bruno at that time.Once again while he may have told Lissette Bruno made her do it.
If he felt deep down in his heart that was really true then he would have went with Det. Ortiz to confront her with the evidence.
Basically before he even went to see Lissette and tell her about her sister, Alex was essentially washing his hands of Maura finally letting go all the good memories and times they had together forever.
I would never called the Mario Aguirre plot trifling because it not only broke apart Alex and MJ it nearly cost her, her life and their baby.
Maura showed no remorse for what she did she just didn't want to be blackmailed by Bruno at that time.Once again while he may have told Lissette Bruno made her do it.
If he felt deep down in his heart that was really true then he would have went with Det. Ortiz to confront her with the evidence.
Basically before he even went to see Lissette and tell her about her sister, Alex was essentially washing his hands of Maura finally letting go all the good memories and times they had together forever.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 5:14:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 5:14:00 PM EST
Wow. Just back from work. Lots of comments. Sandy ~ You always give me a giggle. I got a big laugh out of your comment about not needing to watch this tn in order to see people with bags under their eyes tossing and turning. Good one. We seemed to get a lot of romantic scenes in the middle of this novela after Al won MJ over, but the hugging and kissing have definitely diminished. For those of you watching Amor Real, brace yourself. It's going to be a very bumpy ride for quite a loooong time with a scarcity of hugs and kisses. They cut out a lot from this middle section of Amor Real when they edited it for the shortened dvd. There will be many new scenes ahead for you....many frustrating, upsetting scenes. OT~~re Trivial Pursuit~~Vivi and Ibarramedia~My family had the tradition of playing TP every Christmas Eve. I was the champion [I know a lot of useless info] so everyone wanted me as a partner. Now my daughter has TP for the wii, so we play it on the tv. At first , I didn't like this form, but I really enjoy it now. They give you multiple choice answers to pick, and they show photos of places for the geography questions. There's also music and little characters who represent the players and cry or giggle accordingly. When Hub and I visit our daughter and SIL in Canada , we play iy a lot,,,along with Pinocle.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 5:54:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 5:54:00 PM EST
ISo, Connie do you think Bruno will pull a Fernando Escandon? He did toy with the idea last night, playing with his gun....
Is it just me, or the comments are again going past the century mark while i'm active? I remember several times during FELS that we went over. We also broke that record with MEPS. Even hitting over 200 comments in the process.
Anyway,after tonight youn will have 4 days to build up to your man Yanez. I noticed that he has a penchant to yell his name or a girl's name a lot. Is that his trademark?
Ibarramedia
Is it just me, or the comments are again going past the century mark while i'm active? I remember several times during FELS that we went over. We also broke that record with MEPS. Even hitting over 200 comments in the process.
Anyway,after tonight youn will have 4 days to build up to your man Yanez. I noticed that he has a penchant to yell his name or a girl's name a lot. Is that his trademark?
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 5:55:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 5:55:00 PM EST
p.s. The truest words spoken in this novela were Raqhell's words to Roberto o o , ''I've wasted my life.'' That's right, but at least Raq has a chab=nce to change her wacky, wicked , wayout ways and live a good life. Lisette , Katia, and Rob have also changed paths. However, Maura, Bruno, Elena, Jorhorrible, Eric , and Useless = wasted lives. Que lastima. Some have compared the telenovelas to morality plays , or as Judyb so cleverly put it, ''Sunday school with sex.'' In the end, the love you make is equal to the love you take.'' Conversely, in the end, the mess you mess is equal to the mess you end up with.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 6:02:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 6:02:00 PM EST
I am so tired of televisa over promoting CS i can't recall but i don't belive they ever promoted MEPS or Sortilegio like this.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 6:47:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 6:47:00 PM EST
I think they did the same aount of promoting. When FELS was on, MEPS was being promoted and the Colunga fans were all giddy. When MEPS was winding down, the Levy fans loved it, others were skeptical, People who loved Carla Estrada's work waited for it, Braccamontes' critics shunned it. Now i'm sure Yanez followers are jumping with joy. It is what it is.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 6:52:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 6:52:00 PM EST
Susanlynn said:
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Some have compared the telenovelas to morality plays , or as Judyb so cleverly put it, ''Sunday school with sex.'' In the end, the love you make is equal to the love you take.'' Conversely, in the end, the mess you mess is equal to the mess you end up with."
They reap what they sowed. What comes around goes around.
How about it just being the story of Alejandro and Maria Jose? It does not have to be a morality tale. No one has to preach to the choir. Personally, I just view it as a story told in a short series.
No more than The Godfather Trilogy is about Michael Corleone and his love for his family,his ascension and descent. Or CSI: New York is about Mac Taylor and his team solving crimes. If you want to derive lessons from that then Crime does not pay and it is even harder to get away with it because of forensics. **Shrugs** Just my take on it.
Ibarramedia
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Some have compared the telenovelas to morality plays , or as Judyb so cleverly put it, ''Sunday school with sex.'' In the end, the love you make is equal to the love you take.'' Conversely, in the end, the mess you mess is equal to the mess you end up with."
They reap what they sowed. What comes around goes around.
How about it just being the story of Alejandro and Maria Jose? It does not have to be a morality tale. No one has to preach to the choir. Personally, I just view it as a story told in a short series.
No more than The Godfather Trilogy is about Michael Corleone and his love for his family,his ascension and descent. Or CSI: New York is about Mac Taylor and his team solving crimes. If you want to derive lessons from that then Crime does not pay and it is even harder to get away with it because of forensics. **Shrugs** Just my take on it.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 7:00:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 7:00:00 PM EST
Ibarramedia: "...I noticed that he has a penchant to yell his name or a girl's name a lot. Is that his trademark" Well, it certainly seems to be. He used to go out into the agave field and yell Gaviota-a-a-a!!! Did you notice on the previews how they have Juan de Diablo screaming against a background of flames that makes him look like he's breathing fire. I find him kind of annoying/appealing and I'm straddling the fence here about CS vs. El Clon, which I've always wanted to see. But the 9 o'clock time slot is better for me so I guess I'll stick with CS. I'm only in it to learn Spanish, right? Right!
I disagree, Ibarramedia. And I agree with Susanlynn. Consciously or not, I feel the novelas ARE meant to be morality plays.
The heroines are often dark haired and virtuous, with a blonde siren out to take their man. The dark haired woman is meant to appeal to the typical viewer - a dark-haired Mexican woman.
No one ever has an abortion. They get tempted and a couple of them end up in the abortion clinic and then run out crying. Mexico is a very Catholic country. Look at how distressed Vicki was when Raquel was talking about aborting little Vicki. So the morals of the church are emphasized over and over again. Priests never leave the church and are almost 100% good guys.
Heroes and heroines seldom kill anyone in modern times. Colunga has bumped off a few, but playing a pirate skewering bad guys. In modern novelas, when the villain croaks, someone else besides the hero does him in.
Poor people are always shown as virtuous and kind, while the idle rich have debased morals. In my view this is meant to comfort the lower classes so they won't be resentful. (OK, maybe that last sentence is stretching!)
I could go on and on. But I think the TNs are meant to uphold the status quo and sell products.
The heroines are often dark haired and virtuous, with a blonde siren out to take their man. The dark haired woman is meant to appeal to the typical viewer - a dark-haired Mexican woman.
No one ever has an abortion. They get tempted and a couple of them end up in the abortion clinic and then run out crying. Mexico is a very Catholic country. Look at how distressed Vicki was when Raquel was talking about aborting little Vicki. So the morals of the church are emphasized over and over again. Priests never leave the church and are almost 100% good guys.
Heroes and heroines seldom kill anyone in modern times. Colunga has bumped off a few, but playing a pirate skewering bad guys. In modern novelas, when the villain croaks, someone else besides the hero does him in.
Poor people are always shown as virtuous and kind, while the idle rich have debased morals. In my view this is meant to comfort the lower classes so they won't be resentful. (OK, maybe that last sentence is stretching!)
I could go on and on. But I think the TNs are meant to uphold the status quo and sell products.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 7:29:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 7:29:00 PM EST
Novelera you bring up very good and valid points. I will defer to you and others since you all are experienced at this thing.
I guess you guys will say I should know better since I now have ayear under my belt. It has been a constant head banger as to why be so very very predictable. It is almost an insult to the intelligence of their audience. As if it was a dumbing down of sorts to please the lower class.
I guess my own personal focus here has always been the story telling. The plot and character development and you can note this from my past posts. Sometimes I have to wonder 'what about good old fashioned story telling'? Without any other motives. I had taken the PSA messages as happenstance. Just so happens that the character is sick, not trying to send a message or anything. Not trying to sell stuff by the seemingly blatant advertising of the brand that the stars use.
I guess my problem is that I approached this like I approach any other American,Canadian or in some cases British TV shows and Movie that I watch. I know all about the Catholic influence in Mexico and latin American Countries. I am Catholic as well. Mexico is arguably the most Catholic of the Spanish speaking countries in the western hemisphere.
I watch anime'. Japanese animation. And of that Genre, my favorites has always been the Super Robots of the 70's and 80's. They are somwhat similar to Telenovelas in that they have certain formulaic devices such as a Robot or monster opponent of the week, The head strong leader, the rebel, tales of oppresion, the anti hero antagonist who is sometimes revealed to be an honorable enemy. Enemies within the enemy factions. Sometimes the ending is predictable in that the good guys always win, sometimes not, and a few times it ends in a peaceful resolution to all. The point is there has been some unpredictable ending to keep everyone in suspense and of course enjoy the story. :)
I also noticed that the Mexican TNs have more outlandish and over the top endings than their Colombian counterparts. I could be wrong as I've seen fewer Colombian ones. Anyway, those were my opinions earlier. Not meant for it to be gospel since I'm no expert here. But thank you for the explanation.
Ibarramedia
I guess you guys will say I should know better since I now have ayear under my belt. It has been a constant head banger as to why be so very very predictable. It is almost an insult to the intelligence of their audience. As if it was a dumbing down of sorts to please the lower class.
I guess my own personal focus here has always been the story telling. The plot and character development and you can note this from my past posts. Sometimes I have to wonder 'what about good old fashioned story telling'? Without any other motives. I had taken the PSA messages as happenstance. Just so happens that the character is sick, not trying to send a message or anything. Not trying to sell stuff by the seemingly blatant advertising of the brand that the stars use.
I guess my problem is that I approached this like I approach any other American,Canadian or in some cases British TV shows and Movie that I watch. I know all about the Catholic influence in Mexico and latin American Countries. I am Catholic as well. Mexico is arguably the most Catholic of the Spanish speaking countries in the western hemisphere.
I watch anime'. Japanese animation. And of that Genre, my favorites has always been the Super Robots of the 70's and 80's. They are somwhat similar to Telenovelas in that they have certain formulaic devices such as a Robot or monster opponent of the week, The head strong leader, the rebel, tales of oppresion, the anti hero antagonist who is sometimes revealed to be an honorable enemy. Enemies within the enemy factions. Sometimes the ending is predictable in that the good guys always win, sometimes not, and a few times it ends in a peaceful resolution to all. The point is there has been some unpredictable ending to keep everyone in suspense and of course enjoy the story. :)
I also noticed that the Mexican TNs have more outlandish and over the top endings than their Colombian counterparts. I could be wrong as I've seen fewer Colombian ones. Anyway, those were my opinions earlier. Not meant for it to be gospel since I'm no expert here. But thank you for the explanation.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:15:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:15:00 PM EST
Lady Xoc, Yanez also yelled Sofia Elizondo's from FELS a lot. He would go Sofiaaaaa!!!!!! I just thought this dude really loved Sofia, then i'm realizing that he did that with Gaviotaaaaa!!!! And he now screams Yo soy Juan or somethin like that. It has almost become a running joke. At least to me. :)
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:20:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:20:00 PM EST
Novelera that's an interesting view. I think you have many points there.
Only I don't think the hair color matters so much. There are some blond actresses that have had protagonic roles like Ana Layevska, Ludwika Paleta, Edith González, Leticia Calderón. Etc. I think most female leads have dark hair because there's not that many blond actresses in Latinamerica.
On the abortion theme I do agree. There is the opposition from the Catholic faith to abortion and this is a very controversial theme in México. In some states and in DF abortion is legal but in others it is only legal in the case of rape or if the mother's health is endangerd by the pregnancy. Then you have some states like Jalisco (which is very important, given that the Guadalajara area is one of the biggest targets for sponsors) were abortion is absolutely illegal, even in cases of rape. So besides the stigma from Catholic audiences, there's also the trouble of showing something considered illegal in some places in México.
The funny thing is that novelas were not intended to be morality plays when they started. The first novelas had villains as protagonists (Senda Prohibida, Rubí, etc.) and even had the good guys meeting a tragic end (Gutierritos, La Gata, etc.) but the tendency to end the story with a happy ending for the good people and a tragic finale for the villains only started as a means to keep the audience happy watching their novelas.
Jarocha
Only I don't think the hair color matters so much. There are some blond actresses that have had protagonic roles like Ana Layevska, Ludwika Paleta, Edith González, Leticia Calderón. Etc. I think most female leads have dark hair because there's not that many blond actresses in Latinamerica.
On the abortion theme I do agree. There is the opposition from the Catholic faith to abortion and this is a very controversial theme in México. In some states and in DF abortion is legal but in others it is only legal in the case of rape or if the mother's health is endangerd by the pregnancy. Then you have some states like Jalisco (which is very important, given that the Guadalajara area is one of the biggest targets for sponsors) were abortion is absolutely illegal, even in cases of rape. So besides the stigma from Catholic audiences, there's also the trouble of showing something considered illegal in some places in México.
The funny thing is that novelas were not intended to be morality plays when they started. The first novelas had villains as protagonists (Senda Prohibida, Rubí, etc.) and even had the good guys meeting a tragic end (Gutierritos, La Gata, etc.) but the tendency to end the story with a happy ending for the good people and a tragic finale for the villains only started as a means to keep the audience happy watching their novelas.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:29:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:29:00 PM EST
Thanks for chiming in Jarocha. I always value and respect your posts. You have been very inform ative and helpful. I also admire the patience and restraint you have with us since you have already seen the end of the shows that we watch here.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:39:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:39:00 PM EST
Countdown is 25 minutes before the Gran Final......
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:40:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 8:40:00 PM EST
Enjoy it. I really did like the Sortilegio finale. Even with some beanie adjustment moments, I thought it was pretty good.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 9:08:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 9:08:00 PM EST
Thank you for your comment, Jarocha. I also value your opinions. I hope I didn't sound as if I was looking down upon telenovelas, as I really enjoy them. But I do feel that some of the messages are moral in nature. Nothing wrong with this as mostly the good guys, if rich, are kind to their servants. The poor ones usually have some good luck come their way before it's all over.
And you're right that the hair color isn't dark for all the protagonists. But it sure seems to me that there are a lot of evil, overly sexy blondes chasing our galans!
I thought I wouldn't be able to see the Sorti final today because there was an accident that caused a day-long power outage in my town in California. I usually DVR the East Coast feeds of the novelas I watch at 4:00 and 6:00 pm respectively so I can watch them earlier. All was still dark when I got home. I barely found my candles with a flashlight when the lights came back on at 6:30. Then I had to re-set the satellite. But, everything is set to record the 7:00 and 9:00 versions, so I'm good to go. Off to Spanish class!
And you're right that the hair color isn't dark for all the protagonists. But it sure seems to me that there are a lot of evil, overly sexy blondes chasing our galans!
I thought I wouldn't be able to see the Sorti final today because there was an accident that caused a day-long power outage in my town in California. I usually DVR the East Coast feeds of the novelas I watch at 4:00 and 6:00 pm respectively so I can watch them earlier. All was still dark when I got home. I barely found my candles with a flashlight when the lights came back on at 6:30. Then I had to re-set the satellite. But, everything is set to record the 7:00 and 9:00 versions, so I'm good to go. Off to Spanish class!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:14:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:14:00 PM EST
Don't worry Novelera. I didn't think you were putting down novelas. I think all the points of view here a pretty interesting and you often have some of the best comments analizing novelas.
I'm usually very critical of novelas myself. I think there's been a great decrease in quality with time and it is a little frustrating for me.
Jarocha
I'm usually very critical of novelas myself. I think there's been a great decrease in quality with time and it is a little frustrating for me.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:47:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:47:00 PM EST
Sorry I meant that the decrease in quality is frustrating for me as a viewer but also as someone who has grown up with the telenovela being part of my popular culture.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:50:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:50:00 PM EST
Jarocha, I find that SO interesting that you are disappointed in the quality of telenovelas today. I began watching telenovelas about 9 years ago. So I never saw any of the great classics from the 80s and 90s. I do know that most of the ones we see now are refritos of ones that were better the first time around. But, since I didn't see them then, it's hard to compare.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:17:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:17:00 PM EST
Maybe I'm being too critical, but I have seen in other boards that many people feel the same. The quality has been down. The producers are not as good as before and the best novelas today are pretty average if you compare them to the ones from back in the day. Not to mention the problem now with the extention being the rule for well received novelas which most of the time ends up ruining those too. And it is not only in México. I saw a little bit of Victoria from Telemundo, which people said it was great and if I compare it to Mirada de Mujer, well, it looks terrible.
Colombia and Argentina seem to be doing better though, but I don't know, I only get to hear about their best productions, so it would be a little unfair to compare them to México, but at least they seem to be doing some original works, which is more than I can say for most of the novelas made in México at the moment. This last year we only had two original novelas: Mi Pecado and Camaleones.
Jarocha
Colombia and Argentina seem to be doing better though, but I don't know, I only get to hear about their best productions, so it would be a little unfair to compare them to México, but at least they seem to be doing some original works, which is more than I can say for most of the novelas made in México at the moment. This last year we only had two original novelas: Mi Pecado and Camaleones.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:38:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:38:00 PM EST
Jarocha, was Mi Pecado well-received during it's Mexico run?
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 2:46:00 AM EST
: Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 2:46:00 AM EST
Rodrigo sleazy and lazy like Useless was willing to commit murder to get paid, took over the Roberto Aguirre plot when Maura recruited him. Hired Gato who was like Mateo in Sorti to keep acting as Roberto Aguirre.Teamed up with Max to kill Antonio.
Andres, Pablo and parts of Oscar personality were all combined to formed Fernando in Sorti. Why do i say the Dr. personality because if you remember how Fernando kept trying to talk Alex into getting rid of MJ and her family because they were upsetting Victoria that's why.
There was a Ezekiel who started off as the family's man majordomo he was replaced by Ramon who starred as Ezekiel in Sorti. He stood up to Max but he was much younger too then.
Luis a younger Pimp Daddy E and Max's go to guy he fell in love or lust with Martha.Tried to kill Antonio.
Martha same material girl liked hanging out with Luis, did spend a couple of days in jail from the hit and run plot because of Max and Luis.Needed a firm hand to get her under control.
Daniel, Raquel and Martha's father he wasn't always crying but he was always drunk and saying he was sorry because he lied so much. Paid a big pivotal role in finding the truth about Max.
Pamela, Pablo's younger sister who betrayed him and Antonio to Max and gave him the heads up to keep one step ahead of them when they were catching up to his lies and schemes.She got caught by her brother who gave her a smackdown for sleeping with max and backstabbing her brother and his boss Antonio.
Andres longtime friend and confidant for Antonio he was condensed along with Pablo to make up Fernando in Sorti he caught Max and Raquel he thought at the time kissing each other.It wasn't like that but he told Antonio anyway.
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Andres, Pablo and parts of Oscar personality were all combined to formed Fernando in Sorti. Why do i say the Dr. personality because if you remember how Fernando kept trying to talk Alex into getting rid of MJ and her family because they were upsetting Victoria that's why.
There was a Ezekiel who started off as the family's man majordomo he was replaced by Ramon who starred as Ezekiel in Sorti. He stood up to Max but he was much younger too then.
Luis a younger Pimp Daddy E and Max's go to guy he fell in love or lust with Martha.Tried to kill Antonio.
Martha same material girl liked hanging out with Luis, did spend a couple of days in jail from the hit and run plot because of Max and Luis.Needed a firm hand to get her under control.
Daniel, Raquel and Martha's father he wasn't always crying but he was always drunk and saying he was sorry because he lied so much. Paid a big pivotal role in finding the truth about Max.
Pamela, Pablo's younger sister who betrayed him and Antonio to Max and gave him the heads up to keep one step ahead of them when they were catching up to his lies and schemes.She got caught by her brother who gave her a smackdown for sleeping with max and backstabbing her brother and his boss Antonio.
Andres longtime friend and confidant for Antonio he was condensed along with Pablo to make up Fernando in Sorti he caught Max and Raquel he thought at the time kissing each other.It wasn't like that but he told Antonio anyway.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 1:57:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 1:57:00 PM EST
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