Caray, Caray!

I was looking forward to the christening of Tiny Tony & Mini Vicky but they never showed it.

Pedro! Shaved!

QTH was up with all those statues just lying around on the beach?

I wish they would have told how many years in jail Maura got.

And how many additional years in jail Elena got.

I also wished they had followed on:

Katia: did she go to vet school or not?

Why wasn't Meche at the wedding?

Is Lisette still in remission? I guess since Maura was in jail and none of the main characters was friends with Lisette anyway there was no point to showing her character anymore.

Did Pedro & Elena ever divorce?

Where was Bruno shot? I never saw any blood or bullet holes. I didn't see Raquel at Bruno's funeral, I guess she was still in rehab.
 

They really packed a lot into a one hour finale- two weddings, one funeral, two jail visits… So it seems that the main story here wasn’t a love story between MJ and Alex. It was a story about maternal love and love and hate between brothers. In the end we saw that despite all that Bruno had done to him, Alex continued to be the little brother looking for the love and acceptance of his older brother. He would never have killed Bruno. He didn’t mind beating the tar out of him, but Bruno’s death hurt him just as much as it did Vicky. So, does Eric just get away with murder and with the cash? That’s an interesting end for someone who was technically a bad guy. He did more bad than Maura (2 murders-one of Mateo’s buds and Bruno;1 attempted murder-Alex; kidnapping-Meche and Gabe; and countless other crimes), and Maura ended up in jail. Is that justice?

Whew! Is it the middle of August? ‘Cause that final scene left me feeling like it was 99 degrees, with humidity, inside my house! By the skips in the music, I knew the censors had chopped that scene to bits here in the US. So I went searching and found the unedited scene on You Tube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc-bdZSmMoE&NR=1. Enjoy! I did find it hard to believe that with all that sexy flirting and foreplay happening on that beach all day, MJ and Alex only got around to doing the deed just before sunset. What self control Alex has learned! The two of them looked just like a honeymooning couple should- very happy, extremely relaxed, and muy, muy sexy.

Fer looked even more buff and tan than he did on Sorti Island when he came jet skiing up to Vicky’s beach pad. Nice entrance. I wouldn’t say no. ;-)

Finally, many thanks to all the recappers and commentors of Sorti. This was such a fun ride commenting, snarking and exchanging ideas with you all. This was the first tn that I followed from beginning to end and regularly commented on, and it was a great experience. I can’t wait for DPD’s recap and for all the comments to come rolling in. I'm sure there will be both strong positive and negative reactions! :)
 

The first telenovela couple to be married four times (the first one was the fake but still legal one; then a civil; then a Mayan; then a church). They are good and married.

Pedro! Your daughter gets married in front of thousands and you can't tuck in your shirt?

I think Elena got 12 years.
 

Melinama- I don't think those Guayabera style shirts are ever supposed to be tucked in. My dad never tucks his in. In the Philippines they have a version that's transparent/sheer for special occasions and the men wear undershirts. When my Pilipino friend got married, all the men in her family wore them, untucked.
 

I love Wikipedia. The Pilipino shirt is called the barong tagalog. Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barong_Tagalog
 

Vivi: You are right. Guayaberas are not meant to be tucked in. That doesn't affect their formality. It is pretty common to see men wearing them at formal events and it is the prefered style for politics when they visit places with warm weather.

Jarocha
 

Sorry, I meant politicians.

Jarocha
 

Jarocha- My dad had quite a few Guayaberas from back in the day in Jamaica, but they had been worn down pretty good. I've bought him a bunch of replacments from a few specialty Mexican stores in DC and online- some formal ones and some less formal ones. He just loves them. They remind him of the old days at home on the island. :) Until I went hunting for them, I always thought they were mainly a Caribbean thing. I was surprised to learn of their popularity in Mexico and that almost all of them are made in Mexico now. I believe Cuba used to manufacture them as well in the past. And just now looking at the wikipedia posting for the barong, it was intersting to see that they make a link between origins of the two types of shirts.
 

Vivi: that's pretty interesting. I didn't really knew much about the barong but I have now started to read about it and it looks very nice. My grandfather loved using guayaberas, he never wore a suit in his life. Here in Veracruz and in my grandpa's hometown in Oaxaca you can find all types of guayaberas. The traditional clothes for the man from Veracruz are a white guayabera, white hat, white pants, white shoes and a red scarf around their neck. In Yucatán is almost the same but with the red scarf tied to their pants and sandals instead of shoes.

Jarocha
 

To the first Anon, they did show Tiny Tony being baptised but it was ever so short during one of the intros that had the word Sortilegio on it with the theme song playing, I think it was before the dance on the platform with the Alexandro Maria Jose placard.

Very disappointed Carla Estrada turned both the Mayan and Catholic weddings into red carpet events. Too many fans (almost all females) present with flashes going off took you away from the novela.

Will comment more later. Thanks Dipity for opening the comments thread early!!
CubsFan
 

Was it FELS where Eric was the silly diaper-wearing medicine man? I forgive him in return for his murder of Bruno. Vicki and Alex were protective of Bruno to the end. I'm also ok with Eric taking the money and running.

Nice Mayan wedding. The crowd at the church wedding was a mixed bunch in terms of dress and behavior. Raquel looked beautiful at the wedding and reception.

Alex, whadda man you are! Shot in the left arm by Bruno, yet able to carry on the fist fight. My captions covered the time lapse tags, so I'm not sure exactly how long between the killing and the wedding. Anyway, not a trace of a scar on Alex' left arm.

Good to see Elena and Maura in the brown prison frocks. Alex still had too much kindness for Maura. MJ was pretty and glowing. She might have spent a little time in the spray tan booth.

Agree with Anon. about all the statues around the honeymoon retreat. Nice and windy there, too.
Free Felipa!
La Paloma
 

CHF, glad you mentioned the 4 weddings. I think that was 2 too many!! Ok, the first fake but legal one was necessary for the plot but I think only one more after that would have been more than enough. And I'm still steamed at how they were spoiled by all those fans present!!! Sorry for my rant again but it really bothered me. At least the honeymoon sequence only had MJ and Alex!!

AND, I also hated how Alex forgave maura so quickly!!! As someone commented yesterday, he does have a blind spot when it comes to her!!
CubsFan
 

While waiting for the recap, I checked youtube to make sure I didn't imagine the Tiny Tony baptism and found someone did upload those few seconds. The link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhpbF3V1reY

CubsFan
 

La Paloma, the timeline for the wedding after the Killing of Bruno is approximately 4-6 months in my estimation. After the Lombardo Family and in laws bury Bruno in the family Mausoleum in the cemetery,Maria Jose',Pedro and Paula in tow visit Elena in prison months later.It was not specified how many months it was. Elena seems to be contrite and accepts her fate. She is sorry for what she has doen and has learned her lesson. Paula is the only one who is still bitter at Elena and coldly leaves quickly when Elena asks to speak to Pedro.

Later Gabriel and Paula are holding hands at the park and she agrees to be his girlfreind. She says she loves him and they embrace. Meanwhile in prison, Maura asks Alejandro to forgive her. He forgives her and says goodbye. She says thank you and says goodbye forever my love as she weeps and clutches her hands bowing down toward the table.

One week later, Victoria walks with Fernando. He reads her something then they say goodbye to each other. Later that night, Alejandro and Maria Jose' are naked and talk about the church wedding.

3 months later, Roberto and victoria are speaking to Raquel's Dr. He says she is well now and can go home. Right on cue, Raquel opens the door and she walks in rolling her luggage with her.

Alex and MJ have a traditional Maya wedding conducted in nahuatl and Spanish. there are shell trumpets and Herbal Blessings.

Days later I assume, Victoria is speaking to Felipa on the beach while holding the baby Victoria, Fernando rides his jetski to the shore and runs up to her. He has a long back pack on and is without his shirt. He proposes to Victoria and she accepts.

Shortly after this, Maria Jose and Alex get married in a traditional church wedding. They go through the regular Mexican Catholic wedding rituals. They sing a song praising God towards the end of the mass. The church is crowded and packed to the rafters. Crowds and security are everywhere. There are metal gates or barricades separating the crowd from the chruch.

At the reception, everyone present dance a Mayan dance. Then later Maria Jose' And Alejandro honeymoon on a beach filled with Buddha, and elephant statues and two circular hanging wicker chairs. They talk and kiss and proceed to get it on. At sunset, they walk on the beach naked. So that in my estimation was give or take 6 months time.


Ibarramedia
 

LA Paloma, I was ok with Erik shooting Bruno and then taking the mney and running away with it. I was NOT ok with him getting away scott free. I kept waiting for the cops to bust him and take him away later on. It never happened. That is my beanie moment of the final.

Raquel looked smashing. Very hot. Katya looked good too with some wavy hair instead of her usual straight hair.

Vivi and others, Pedro and the good Dr. Hernan were indeed wearing guayabera shirts. I've sen Alex, Fernando and Hernan wear them previously. It is a staple in the Yucatan, Merida as well as Cuba and the Dominican republic.

I hve seen both shirts and the difference between a barong tagalog and a guayabera is that the barong does not have pockets, it is a much more formal attire and can also be used for business functions in lieu of a suit. It is practically a replacement for suits andd tuxedos. The barong is also a lot stiff in material and very thin and smooth to the touch.

They are made up of banana fibers and the more expensive ones are made of pineapple fibers or jusi as they call them. There are various discussions of the origins ofg both shirts and it is very strongly claimed by a lot of people that the barong tagalog shirt was introduced to Mexico via the Galleon Trade. The same reason why Mexico has mangoes and coconut trees. This of course spread out throughout latin america. This is also the same reason why the Philippines has chocolate, avocado and tomatoes since they originally came from Mexico.

Oh and I think forgot to mention earlier that Elena got 12 years, just like what Melinama said. That is also what I said yesterday.
A lot less than what dear old Babs got in MEPS.

I guess there will always be some sort of headscrathers in finals that we are left pondering what if thoughts.

Ibarramedia
 

Cubs fan, The baptism was indeed reduced to few second on the commercial blurb.

I have a soft spot for Maura. And Unlike Alex, I would know how to handle her. And I don't mind him forgiving her. She apologized after all and will be doing her time. Not like she got off just like that. He also said goodbye to her. So we assume they won't see each other again when she gets out.

There is really no point n keeping all that hate bottled inside of him. It wouldbe different if she lashed out to him while he visited her and said it is because of him she is in prison. And if he really hated her, why bother visiting her in prison?

I'm still disturbed with Erik getting away scott free. He is no saint. So he too had to pay the price like the others.

Ibarramedia
 

A question regarding this comment:

"Alex and MJ have a traditional Maya wedding conducted in nahuatl and Spanish. there are shell trumpets and Herbal Blessings".

Why would a Mayan wedding be conducted in Nahuatl and not a Mayan language? I am no linguist but I thought Nahuatl was the indigenous language group of Central Mexico and that the Mayan languages were quite different.

Just curious.

EJ
 

You could be right Elna June. I did not feel like researching it and went on my gut feeling based on an assumption. Just too much work and I did not feel up to it today. I do know that Nahuatl seems to be the dominant indigenous language In Mexico and they have a few. Maybe Jarocha can straighten me up.


Ibarramedia
 

I know Elena got 12 years but I thought that was for the attempted murder of Porfirio. How much more time did she get in jail for the kidnapping of Maria Jose (since Maura spilled the beans about Elena & Bruno's involvement in it)?


I kind of see Bruno like I saw Artemio Bravo from MEPS: they were so consumed with hatred towards their brothers they couldn't appreciate what they did have. They tried their best to destroy their families out of hatred but in the end their families still had love for them. And the sad thing is, if only they hadn't let hate consume them, their brothers would have accepted and loved them and shared what they had with them.
 

Ibarramedia:

Aren't we lucky to have Jarocha on this foro? She is a veritable fount of information and keeps us all straightened out!

:)
 

still watching it, but i think i'd appreciate a much private wedding. carla estrada made it such a public event. que? i do like mj's traje...again, simple but elegant.
 

Yes, I liked ALL 4 of her wedding dresses- even the simple one she wore at her Faux Alex wedding in the beginning. She really looked beautiful each time.
 

Vivi, I like seeing men wear barong too. I think I saw an old picture of Bill Clinton wearing it i think when he visited the Philippines during his presidency.

Did anyone notice how red WL turned in the honeymoon scene? And why would they cut some clips out? That's the happy ending we've been waiting for!!!

I have to problem with Alex accepting Maura's sorry. That's the last of it. And as Ibarra said, there's no point in keeping all the angst in him. That's just going to give him bigger bags, wrinkles and less steam.

As for Elena, thru her eyes, she looked like life had departed her. Still not blaming Paula there.

So whose legs were those in the finale preview??? Did I miss the scene?

Glad that Raq turned around too. At least she's not raising little Vicky yet.

Can't believe this TN just ended. I guess I have to wait and see how CS will go. This foro is just a good way to end a cranky work day anytime, so it's a really hard decision. I guess this is one of those moments where thank you is not enough...peeps, your more than appreciated!!!

SMC
 

I know Maura was such a b**** and I got so used to seeing her in really beautiful dresses that us girls would like to have. Even after MJ, regardless of how simple and humble her character is, became financially loaded, the wardrobe department has always dressed her one notch below Maura's...and boy oh boy, that brown suit must be more than enough to turn her nuts.

Vivi - was it just my impression that the wardrobe department redeemed themselves by dressing MJ all those beautiful traje de boda? as you counted, 4 of them.
SMC
 

The legs looked like Victoria's legs. Take a look at the scene when she and Fer are on the beach with her book, she's wearing a skirt and she turns to walk away from him, saying goodbye to him forever (they faked us out on that one). They look a lot like her legs to me.
 

"It was a story about maternal love and love and hate between brothers. In the end we saw that despite all that Bruno had done to him, Alex continued to be the little brother looking for the love and acceptance of his older brother. He would never have killed Bruno. He didn’t mind beating the tar out of him, but Bruno’s death hurt him just as much as it did Vicky."


Vivi, Your comment hit the nail on the head. That is what the story really was about. It did beging with them in all that time lapse multiple flashbacks. A tragic story in the cain and abel fashion amidst the backdrop of a romance with Maria Jose and the charm they have for each other. You comment parallels one of the anons comments.

"I kind of see Bruno like I saw Artemio Bravo from MEPS: they were so consumed with hatred towards their brothers they couldn't appreciate what they did have. They tried their best to destroy their families out of hatred but in the end their families still had love for them. And the sad thing is, if only they hadn't let hate consume them, their brothers would have accepted and loved them and shared what they had with them."

Very similar indeed to Artemio Bravo's story from MEPS. The triumph of love and forgiveness over hate and vengeance.

Ibarramedia
 

Oh yes, anon Bruno was shot through the back and straight to the heart. He died instantly. That is my take on it.


Ibarramedia
 

I was going to wait but what the heck.

I know Carla didn't show it but i have to think that scurrying rat Pimp Daddy E. didn't get away,that he eventually got caught.


Alex saying he forgave Maura but his goodbye was ending their relationship totally and completely.

It seem like Maura got a lot of time in jail in her brand new wardrobe, that why she said goodbye for always my love to Alex when he left her.

Bruno got exactly what he deserved, Elena probably did get more years tacked on seemed like MJ is really disgusted by her now.

Finally after all this time she wanted to acknowledge Paula? Paula and Gabriel blech.

Erik had some nerve going to Maura's house looking to get some money and finding out Maura's in jail because of Bruno.

Bruno probably told him to go ask Maura to help them out, this is another reason why you always treat others like you want to be treated.

Enjoyed the final fight between Cain and Abel but i did not enjoy Alex's reaction, Bruno put him and MJ through hell he tried to kill him three times. Sorry i would not have been crying over him like Alex was.

What the heck music was Roberto dancing too it look like he belonged on Soul Train.

I didn't like the crowd at their final wedding i even heard someone shout Jackie.

Boy was William's lovemaking scenes on this novela hot way to finishes up the novela in grand style.U.S. censors of course have to unnecessary cut it which wasn't necessary.

Really do super rich people dress up a beach like that to make love?
 

Bruno was shot twice in the back i don't know why they didn't show any blood,considering all of the CSI shows that are on TV why not.

Boy i'm missing William already when is the Cunos de Lobos going to start?
 

I too did wonder why there was a lack of Blood showing.

Since we are talking about Guayberas and Barongs, I found this set of pics and uploaded them in the other forum. Check it out.

http://foro.telenovela-world.com/n4/list.php?f=561

We can see them side by side.

Ibarramedia
 

It must be personal taste on dress shirts between those 2. It just seems that front-shirt pockets are misplaced on them, that's why I still prefer the barong.

I know they forgot to spill Bruno's blood in the shootout. Maybe that's for a reason. It would be more disgusting than scenes in a hospital operating room if I see black blood oozing from him. But I thought there's blood on V's arms as he cradled Bruno, unless I was just imagining it.

Vivi- just to tie loose ends, I'll take them as V's legs just because of her get up in that scene. But why did Carla (again) waste all those precious minutes in that unnecessary scene?

As for Bruno's end, he really deserved it, but maybe I'm alone here wishing that he'd get Madoff-like jail term. That would have been worse for him to live life like that. At least he can be jail-cell neighbor with his Erik (pretty sure too he's doing jail time).
SMC
 

Hi folks. Who would have thought that the Grand Finaly would end up with me, dpd? LOL!

Melinama asked me to post so you all could start commenting if you wish.

I am on Mountain time where in the past I have been on Eastern time, but I will post as soon as I get it done.

I want to thank my fellow recappers and all the Caray family for giving me encouragement to even attempt this.

Thanks to all who helped fill in the blanks on Wedesdays, especially Anon and Incog who helped so much in the beginning. Hombre, JudyB thank you for all your encouraging words. Carlos for shortening my moniker to dpd. :)

Thank you Melinama and Caray Caray for standing by me and holding my hand.

My Spanish has improved immensely. Gracious por todos!!
 

serendipitypb I think Maura's comment Goodby forever, meant that she lost. She goes to jail and due to everything she did, she has lost alex, even if she were to get out of jail, she knows that her belief that someday they would reunite, will never happen.
 

Thanks for the recap dpd. I was a little disappointed in Bruno's death. I thought he should go out in a blaze of glory of some kind. I could see Vicky upset because Bruno was dead but Alex? His own brother stood in front of his car and fired at him repeatedly and he cries when he is dead? What was he planning to do with the gun he brought? Bruno is the spawn of Satan and deserved what he got.

I guess I didn't catch the part where Fernando proposed to Vicky. Finally!

Didn't Maura look quite fetching in her new ensemble? Serves her right.

Did Bruno kick his mom or punch her? I was distracted by my dog inhaling my pizza like a vacuum cleaner. Didn't even chew it.
 

The mayan ceremony was cunducted in Mayan. The Mayan language is still very alive in the Yucatán Penninsula. Besides the Yucatán Penninsula, the Mayans also lived in the south of Veracruz, the east of Oaxaca, in parts of Tabasco, Campeche and parts of Chiapas in México; their territories were extended to Guatemala, Belice, parts of Honduras and El Salvador.

The Nahuatl is still alive in the center of the country, it is the indigenous language with the biggest number of speakers in México, then it's the Mayan and after that the Zapoteco and Mixteco languages. Those are the ones that are being protected the most right now, but there are alot of different indigenous languages in México (around 65).

A guayabera can be a susbtitute for a suit.

I did like the people watching the wedding. It took you out of the novela but everybody seemed like they had a good time and it was like an event Carla Estrada made for the people of Mérida. In Cadenas de Amargura they did the same, they invited the people from Guanajuato to the last episode but they didn't show them when the final episode aired so most people have forgotten about it. That novela was too dark to have something like that on screen, even with the happy ending.

Jarocha
 

I have a question: In Acapulco, Cuerpo y Alma, the second version of Tu O Nadie, the Lombardo mansion was on a high sea cliff. When the brothers were fighting, the Bruno character was about to kill the Alex character but the Victoria character came and saved the "Alex" by pushing "Bruno" off him but the result was that both of them fell of the cliff and died. It was pretty tragic.

Victoria doesn't die in Tu o Nadie, but since everybody seemed to hate Victoria here. Would you have prefered to see her die? Or did you like her happy ending?

Jarocha
 

Jarocha, I don't want to see Victoria die. Victoria has been an undying, loyal beyond the odds and mother who loved her children unconditionally. Yes, she enabled the behaviors and was in denial for most of the time.

This apparently has caused many members here to hate this character with a passion. And it is their right to feel one way. Who Am I to tell them not to feel what they feel.

To me, Bruno was really despicable and it is easy to hate him for what he did. His actions alone are reason to dislike him at such an intensity. I guess I have more tolerance for those who are guilty of ommission rather than commission. Yes, I would feel dissapointed and frustrated, but I would not hate her. She is a person who was just way to nice for her own good in my humble opinion. So count me as 1 person out of the multitude here who does not hate her.

As I said, I tend to be more hateful and vengeful to those that actually do me wrong. So that is how I see it.

Ibarramedia
 

serendipity -- Thank you for the recap. Thank you for ~all~ your recaps you've given us. You've done a great job.

I think I'll FFWD to the boda. If I have to sit and watch Victoria agree to give Bruno money to leave the country, I will barf. Unbelievable - yet it does happen in real life - that she would enable him after all the evil she KNOWS he has done, including the shootout with Ale in the SUV. Argh . . . Victoria, thy name is Stupid.

I prefer to have seen Bruno get a life term in jail, in solitary confinement with nobody to manipulate.

I don't believe cold-blooded Elena is capable of contrition or remorse. She's not capable. I think she'd find religion if she thought it would serve her purposes.

I'll enjoy watching the wedding. :o)

I will miss the WL/JC scenes. They do have great chemistry, IMO.

Thank you again to ALL our Sorti recappers, for all your time invested and hard work for us. (((Hugs))) to all y'all.
 

Jarocha, Thank you for the correct information on the language used at the traditional Mayan wedding. I don't know all the information first hand and at the time I was writing my post just did not feel like looking it up. I do feel Somewhat validated because I knew Nahuatl is the main indigenous language. You can say it is the second language of Mexico after Spanish. (of course there are at least 65 dialects as you said)

I do remember the Mayan influence going down to Guatemala, Belize and Honduras. I did not realize they also extended to El Salvador.

Ibarramedia
 

Boo.ooo.oo hiss, hiss, hiss... Wish I had missed it! Crying on the body?! MJ promising to visit the jail bird!!! That ain't forgiveness, that's stupid, or to put it more delicately that's idiocy. And how come the only justice given out was to the women? ??? Was Eric redeemed because he executed Bruno? Was Vicky redeemed -and YES I believe she needed redemption for her many years of selfishness. And what was that?! An add on scene with Ferdandruff!? After Vicky's elegant graceful closure to
ANOTHER selfish love affair ---he comes BACK?!
Wished I had missed it! Preferred the ending of the original Tu O Nadie! Enjoyed the Mayan wedding and the Catholic wedding but the throngs of people at both weddings was blatantly 'plants' to fill the screen. Spanish kings didn't have that many wedding guests! And its a good thing they didn't have the babies baptised. They might have changed Tiny Toni's name to Bruno to honor his fallen uncle.
 

Thanks, dpd. After a loong day starring on my own telenovela , I fell asleep and woke up to find Al and Bruno doing their own version of From Here to Eternity rolling around in the sand and surf. Oof. It seems that Daniela Roma is destinied to play the mother between two rival guys. In Alborada , she was between her good nephew [whom she raised as son] Luis and her evil son [whom she raised as her nephew]...It's confusing...you had to be there. I knew that she would end up with her onetruelove Fer after many episodes of fussing and denying. I likrd this novela, and thanks to all of our excellent, faithful recappers. However, I'm ready to set sail on a new adventure. I'm a little tired of Bruno's ''Mom always liked you best.'' I enjoyed the weddings. MJ looked beautiful in both dresses, but I loved the bridal gown. Lots of happily ever afters, and after all, that's what I'm after. Gotta go...real life is calling.
 

Thanks to everyone who has been doing these recaps through the TN. We come to the end, and it did seem a little bit of a let-down. For one thing, this episode would never win an award for editing. Choppy and the continuity was horrible. It also seemed like they were in a rush to just wrap things up.
I had to admit to being surprised that Alex and Vic STILL caved to Bruno in the guise of family loyalty and were ready to let the guy flee the country. Really? To live and haunt you another day...gees people. Doesn't anyone learn anything in this TN?
I guess it was all about forgiveness and everyone was making up and forgiving everyone. Except for Erick - and he proved Bruno's undoing, though I agree with many here who felt it wasn't exactly the "big villian justice in the end" we expect.
I thought the last few minutes with the "wedding" were a little lame - it was more like a cast party for fans. Why didn't they just do that and show it? Ah well....
So on to CS. I'm giving it a go and look forward to our recappers comments. They should be priceless!
 

Thanks to dpd for the recap and to all the other recappers as well who have helped me understand and enjoy this TN.

I confess I was disappointed by the not-so-grand finale. Was anyone else bothered by Ale's stupid heroics on the beach? There he is, telling Bruno to go ahead and shoot him, and taunting him with the fact that he tried twice before to kill him and failed. My beanie quit on me in that scene. Does Ale have no regard for MJ and their baby, to risk provoking the all-too-willing Bruno to shoot him? The only explanation I can come up with is that he knew he was the galan in a TN and that therefore he couldn't die.

My substitute beanie quit as well when Ale cried over Bruno's death.

I for one was glad that Pimp Daddy E shot Bruno, took the money, and fled. He never seemed as evil as most of the other baddies--Bruno, Elena, Jorge, even Maura.

In answer to Jarocha's question, no, I had no desire to see Victoria die. I found her constant state of denial re Bruno irritating and, finally, unbelievable, but I didn't see any reason to kill her off. In fact, I'm glad she accepted Fer, though I would have felt OK either way. The age difference didn't bother me nearly as much as it did some others here.

Well, it's been a fun ride, but I think I enjoyed it more thanks to CarayCaray than to the TN itself.
 

Dipity, many thanks for the full recap and for opening the comments up for discussion early. Already left some comments earlier but I'm still obsessing...

Although a NON-RUSHED Mayan wedding would have been beautiful, I think the Mayan ceremony would have been better suited to Vicky and Fernando since they both expressed interest in archeological matters, i.e. "their project", Fern. BD trip with his uncle and Vicky.

As for Eric killing Bruno, I think it is just that it was Eric that killed him. Naturally Alex couldn't do it (although I understand his character did in Tu o Nadien), so who better than the man who Bruno taunted, humilated and left for dead? I for one, hope he did get away. I don't see Alex looking to bring him to justice!

Still can't believe Alex forgave Maura. I keep repeating to myself "its only a novela, its only a novela" LOL

CubsFan
 

I was kind of glad Pimp Daddy got away too. After all he had to endure with Bruno. Ack!
 

Gracias, Dipity! Great job. We'll miss you for CS.

I was QTH at loads of stuff too, guys. Forgiving Maura, visiting Elena, crying over Bruno, Eric escaping(?), wow that's a lot!

Last scene, Vivi ITA was it July or August?! I swear, WL makes me melt. Miss him already :(

well, hopfully CS is enjoyable. It looks interesting.
 

My quick thoughts..... traveling today.

Well it does seem that the novela was really about Vicky, Alex and Bruno and if that is the case we are back to square one, the premise of the novela, Vicky’s inability to handle or control the child who was borne to her..Bruno. For me, the response to the horrible, desperate call she got from Bruno would have been easy. He said he was hungry and needed money so, she gathers up a great meal then, contacts the best lawyer in town, and together with this lawyer, meets Bruno at the beach and they try and talk him down....but never give him the supplies to escape and become another threat to Alex, MJ, and little Tony! Her actions put Alex’s life in danger and thereby MJ’s and little Tony’s. In this instance, she choose Bruno over Alex. He might not have listened, but she would have done the right thing!! After having said all that, I’m not sure why the novela was named Sortilegio, and Alex did used the term in talking with MJ about their relationship, maybe someone else can figure that out. To be completely honest, part of the problem is me...I go into something that looks like a love romp and find myself in very, DARK program and carrying thoughts of Alex screaming Bruno, Bruno, Bruno around for several days...

On Fernando and Vicky...I really don’t care who she dates. Whoever it is will have to sit around and listen to her poetry for the rest of their lives while others are out having fun!

CubsFan, I too was very disappointed that the Gran Final wedding became a tourist spectacle. If Carla Estrada had wanted to award the people of Merida, she could have had them in the ”last dance” and put that in the “take out” scenes that are so popular now. Seeing MJ and Alex walking the “red carpet”, tipping their heads to the fans didn’t work for me....

On a lighter note, I swear that during the Catholic ceremony the priest looked at WL/Alex and then over emphasized the word LEALDAD! Ha

Really fun romp with all of you...the recappers and commenters can make watching grass grow fun.............
 

I am just so 'diss'appointed with Zarratinni, a writer I much admire. Where was the justice?! dr. Mengele provoked Sandra's death, provoked dear Abuelo's death and other crimes too. What about manslaughter? Eric was accomplice to several crimes! He flys off into the sunset?! And Bruno! Now the police have all those unsolved murders on the books? ??? But the women get punished for being bad? What's that?! Hush sister Zarrattini. I can't hear you right now. ...and after I just finished telling my family how you stuck a public service message in about teaching children that if they hear pops just drop down on the ground and pretend you're asleep.
I WANT A DO-OVER! Re-write?
 

"The only explanation I can come up with is that he knew he was the galan in a TN and that therefore he couldn't die."
Good thing I didn't have a mouthful of coffee when I read that, or my keyboard would be fried. LOL

bonney churros - Yep, it's a new drill for the kids at school, like a fire drill. Stop, drop & play dead. ;o)

Connie - I can envision your dog inhaling the pizza. LOL

Better living thru forums!
 

Bonney Churros said:

"Where was the justice?! dr. Mengele provoked Sandra's death, provoked dear Abuelo's death and other crimes too. What about manslaughter? Eric was accomplice to several crimes! He flys off into the sunset?! And Bruno! Now the police have all those unsolved murders on the books? ??? But the women get punished for being bad? What's that?!"

I agree with you on the above statement Bonney. It still bothers me that Erik got away. Sorry Connie. That man is not clean and is just as guilty if not more so than others involed. To me, it seems he got a pass for that and that is payback for the abuse he got from Bruno. That does not work for me. It has left his fate subject to interpretation and speculation by us here. Some say that he was eventually caught off camera. I find it hard to follow without any evidence or clues. They could have shown a one second blurb just like the baptism. That one second blurb showing him led away by police would have spoken volumes.

I agree that the women seemed to get punished more than the guys. i'm admittedly over protective of the women but in fairness, they really got a raw deal. Others have pointed out Erik's crimes so, I will not do that ad nauseaum.

I'm fine with Bruno's death. As it was just. But I would also preferred him to suffer Barbara Greco's fate in MEPS mwhen she immolated herself. Shades of Angels and Demons where the Camerlengo Patrick McKenna does the same thing pouring that oil lamp on him and setting himself on fire.

So, as I said I'm glad Erik killed Bruno to save Alex, though that is not Erik's motive. He just wanted to get even with Bruno for leaving him to die and the treatment he got. Also to have that money all to himself. Blood money that He claims Bruno owed him. It still eats at me....


Ibarramedia
 

Everyone in Sorti was forgiving at the end except Paula towards Elena.

I think Alex cried over Bruno's death because while he might not have liked Bruno b/c of Bruno's hatred of him, he never HATED Bruno. I think Alex would have killed Bruno if Bruno had harmed/killed MJ or Tony, but in any other circumstance, no. Bruno's death was going to hurt people Alex loved, like Victoria & Raquel.

And even though Bruno wasn't a brother to him, Alex could be grieving the fact that he never had and can never have a relationship with his brother. Fernando just isn't the same (and is about to become his step-stepdaddy).

There's no need for MJ to dis Elena. Elena can't hurt her anymore. Elena will be an old woman by the time she gets out of jail, if she gets out of jail. If Elena needs any scolding, Paula will be more than happy to give it to her.

Alex can forgive Maura because they both know by the time Maura gets out of jail (if ever) she'll be an old woman. She can't hurt Maria Jose anymore. Plus just because you forgive somebody doesn't mean you want to have anything to do with them. Maura's just pathetic and pitiful. IMO that's why Alex didn't go with the PoPo when they arrested Maura --not because he was furious but because it's just pitiful and pathetic and sad and he didn't want to see her go out like that.
 

I've always felt Zarattini is in general harsher with the women than the men. I've always hated the end of Lizabeta in Pasión.

I understand what you mean about Victoria Ibarramedia. I never had that much resentment towards her but I wasn't an avid watcher of Sortilegio. I guess that's why I liked the ending, I was not expecting much and I just tuned in to see pretty people being happy. I didn't realize there were so many loose ends.


Jarocha
 

Two words sum up Sortilegio: Swiss Cheesy, meaning: cheesy, full of holes, but tasty.
 

Thanks to all the recapppers and commentors. You helped make my time in Nursing and Rehab much more enjoyable. I have gone from speaking only a little Spanish to understanging a lot and have enrolled at a local college for Spanish I.
 

Does anyone else agree that Bruno was the real stand out in this telenovela?
 

What about Cuco? What was the point of wasting so much camera time on that sub-subplot with absolutely no payoff? I could say that about so much on the writing in this telenovela. Unsatisfactory payoff.
 

Anon: Two words sum up Sortilegio: Swiss Cheesy, meaning: cheesy, full of holes, but tasty.

LOL, overall I agree. I enjoyed the show despite all the flaws.

OldGirl, that's very nice. Caray is what made me stick with Spanish after high school as well. Will you be joining us for Corazon Salvaje?
 

Anon at 11:15, are you talking about Cuco the dog? He was the producer Carla Estrada's dog -- that's why he got so much airtime.
 

Jarocha, I too really hated the fate of Lizabeta in Pasion. In the criminal Justice system of the US, there is this thing called the punishment fitting the crime, This was very disproportionate to what she did wrong. Despite her petty Jealousies, she was a victim too.


Ibarramedia
 

Best cross cultural experience I've had while sitting on my couch. A glimpse into a contemporary, wealthy disfunctional Mexican family dealing with cancer, May-June love affairs, homosexuality, bisexuality, treachery, greed, denial, cancer survival, addiction, murder, mistaken identities, crazy love attachments, and most of all, blood lines. Whose child are you? Who do you blame or praise for how you turn out?

Not a perfectly written story, but a good one with beautiful people and places to look at.

Thanks to all recappers for helping me understand what I was seeing.

Can anyone advice me how to get through with no WL to come home to?

Gratias.
 

Maybe they should have just called the show "All About Bruno."
 

Anon 10:58

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I really think that Elena was sentenced to 12 years and could possibly get out in less time for good behavior. Maybe 6? I don't know.

Same goes for Maura. I don't think she will spend the rest of her life in Prison. I doubt she was sentenced to 50 or 60 years in prison. Even with a sentence reduction, Maura would still serve a few years in prison. And I believe this experience will leave the rehabilitated.

In the corrections system, There are 3 R's of emphasis for imprisonment. Rehabilitation,Restitution and Retribution. There are strong proponents for each, but I personally think it is a venn diagram involving all three.

One thing is for sure, the threat is over and no harm will come to Maria Jose and Tony.


Ibarramedia
 

Let me address froma male perspective Alejandro daring Bruno to kill him, since he has tried to have him killed twice unsuccessfully.

That is called male bravado. He is calling Bruno out and daring him to kill him,making him doubt by saying that he does not have the guts to pull that trigger. Of course that specific line was not spoken. I might have done the same. i'm not talking about us having an aura of invincibility, it is a mindset that is hard to explain. Machismo.... This is beyond logic and if you are male, you would know what it means.

Ibarramedia
 

Yes Ibarramedia. It is the whole macho thing. He was taunting him. You've tried and failed to kill me in the past. How about now you big loser. I'm right here in front of you.
 

Have to admit, I was pretty disappointed the the final episode. I thought it was going to be amazing because the 2nd to last episode was so action packed. I think they tried to add too much at the end and they just could not tie up all of the loose ends. They should have just let MJ and Alex have the big wedding the day of civil wedding, that way they could have focused on ending the plots instead of marrying them off 2 more times in the final episode. I mean really, does every novela have to end with a wedding. Get original.

Like someone else mentioned, it would have been better to see Bruno go out in a blaze of glory. Like being surrounded by the police in gun fire. Especially after all he did. He should have gotten more than 2 cheap shots in his back.

Was it just me, or did Alex, MJ and all the Sortiligo cast members not know the words to the song at the Catholic wedding. That was painful to watch.

All in all, it was a good show Thanks to the recappers for all of you hard work.
 

Vicki, I guess you liked the scenario I envisioned for Bruno a few days ago because they are similar to what I had. Suicide by cop, Now I could see that. I did not think he was going to pull a Fernando Escandon and commit suicide by shooting himself.

Sometimes the beginning and the middle part of the stories are better than the end part. The Gran Finals of a few of the series I've seen seem like it was not planned out in the beginning. Otherwise, we would not be asking a lot of questions. And wondering how things could turn out. Makes you wonder if they are making up some stuff as they go along. If there is a lesson here , it is and always is CRIME DOES NOT PAY.


Ibarramedia
 

Sandy i promised you and others my take on Sorti and the differences between that and the original of Tu O' Nadie.

I'll be posting it soon.
 

Hard to believe it's finished, but overall I liked it a lot and I think Monica Miguel and Carla Estrada are the best in the business. Am looking forward to their next venture (hope TBLMOE is in it).

Just want to sincerely thank Melinama, Chavala, Kat, dpb, Connie, and Jardinera for all your work. You've made me laugh, learn, and understand so much. You have added immeasurably to my enjoyment of my TN addiction. This community of Caray Mates is the best.

Am going to give CS a fighting chance and try to keep my mind open, so hope to see everyone on the other side.
 

Dpd, thanks for a wonderful final recap. This was your best recap ever! I especially liked your comment about how that abandoned boat just happened to be conveniently situated on that beach.

It's stunning how many crimes were never solved. Among others, we have the murder of Ulises, the murder of the judge, the truck accident/attempted murder of Alex at the start, the murder of Matteo and crew, and maybe even Erik's shooting of Bruno. I guess all that matters is that the bad guys got punished (men killed, ladies jailed), and the good guys got married.

Although I'm not sure Fer and Vicky are getting married. He pretty much said he's not leaving, he'll just build a little house on the beach and be near her always, and she said "I accept", which of course is how one says "I do", but we certainly didn't see their wedding.

I was a bit disappointed in how much they crammed into this final episode, but the happy faces (and screams) of the townspeople made me happy, too.

I thought Elizabeth Alvarez (Irene) did an amazing job of acting with just her eyes, in the farewell with Fernando. He was so bland, and she was blazing with feelings as she told him she understood.

Thanks again to all the wonderful recappers.
 

Connie, lol! All about Bruno sounds excellent or how about Everybody Loves Alex.
 

Thanks for the recap Serendipitypb. I would also like to thank Melinama,Chavele, 5ft, Connie, and Jardinera for the wonderful snarky, hysterical recaps as we went on this journey in Merida with Alex, MJ, and the whole gang. Now on to the episode. I thought it was a bit rushed and maybe a tad bit anticlimatic. We knew Bruno was going to die and that Erick would most likely be the culprit thanks to the death stares he kept giving Bruno everytime he yelled at and insulted him. I was hoping that MJ would confront Maura about the kidnapping, and embezzlement schemes. Alex never did tell MJ about the Mario Aguirre scheme too. In addition, I would have liked to see Raquel's reactions to Bruno's demise. Why didn't they show the baptism scene that was in the commercial break promo? I was surprised that Alex watched Erick take the money and run after killing Bruno? So the legs wandering aimlessly on the beach was just a ploy? As far as Vicky and Fer, I knew they were going to get back together. The extras in the wedding scene were very enthusiastic about seeing the cast and especially WL LOL. Speaking of, Alex made sure he and MJ were married by marrying her three times. That love scene on the beach gave a whole new meaning to sex on the beach LOL. It was hot hot hot. The censors were at work again, however. I saw the unedited version and yowza. Our galan carried MJ into the ocean at the sunset for more frolicking as we said farewell to Sorti. I just wished the finale was longer like two hours to really wrap up all the stories.
 

Thanks to each and every recapper and all the very clever, funny, etc. people that have left comments during this TN. Each of you have made my days so fun filled, I would not have missed this journey for anything. I look forward to the next.

Ibarramedia, the bullets could not gone through the back straight to the heart - Bruno had no heart!

I believe that both Alex and MJ are good hearted people and forgive those that do harm and then move on. Paula will always be long suffering like her father.

I did not like the mob wedding at the end. The first civil ceremony was much better. Poor Alex did not look comfortable during the Mayan ceremony - I hope it was just his hat trying to blow off. Maybe he is shy in real life and that is the look of discomfort that comes across in large groups. MJ always looks very regal when greeting large groups.

I hate to see this end, maybe they will have a sequel someday.

rsk
 

Erick deserved that money. He worked hard for it & suffered a lot of verbal & physical abuse, plus he killed Bruno. Who could be more deserving?

Alex & MJ are good & married. Loved the Mayan wedding, I always appreciate the customs of the local.

We have a settlement of Mayans here in south Fl. They are very emphatic, the are NOT Spanish.

http://mayanindians.com/blog/2009/08/18/florida-mayans-believe-in-culture/
 

Jarocha i was going to ask you to give your opinion because i know you saw Acapulco,Cuerpo y Alma. So please let us know the differences between that one and the original. I asked you the other day if that was popular and you said it was a big hit. What differences were made for that one and Tu O' Nadie.

Now for those who i said i would wait to give you my opinion on this version against the original here goes.

Bruno the same name change.

Alex slightly the same name change.

MJ not so much the same name a big change.

Victoria almost the same, name the same.

Hernan most definitely not the same different name.

Pedro not the same different name.

Paula the same different name.

Chucho,Meche and Gabriel the same.

Maura the same and Lissette a little bit different and name changed.

Roberto the same but not the same sexual orientation.

Raquel not the same major character change and name.

Useless the same but like i said about Roberto not the same sexual orientation, name changed.

Mateo the same name changed.

Ezekiel the same name but the original actor in Tu O' Nadie name was different.

Pimp daddy E Erik definite name change and age too.

Katia not exactly the same but name changed.
 

Tu O' Nadie the cast and their differences between Sortilegio.

Antonio same make up but not as gentle or nice as the Alex version.Truly fell in love with Raquel.

Raquel named changed to MJ more spunk and backbone than MJ. Even slap the nonsense out of Camila because she was down right nasty and would not stop being mean spirited and hateful towards her and her family. Did not like or care at all for Maura and realized Maura wanted Antonio back.

Max the same as Bruno with his lies, schemes and plots against Antonio but he truly did love Raquel went bar-sh!t-crazy with jealousy when he found out Raquel had succumb to Antonio.

Victoria the same enabler and queen of denial but was only the mother to Max.

Camila, Antonio's younger sister who was just as hateful and gossipy as Raqhell was in Sorti but she was never a alcoholic and didn't have a affair.Too much into her older's brother's love life and controlling.

Claudio Camila's husband same as Roberto no job living off of his wife and her brother's wealth, knew a little about the plot Roberto Aguirre plot.But did not know where it originated.

Maura obsessed with Antonio and lied and plotted to get him back anyway possible.

Carla her younger sister helped her with the lie but later started having second thoughts.Made the first call as Roberto Aguirre.

Dr. Placenta his name is Oscar nasty and hateful towards Raquel first offered her money to leave Antonio, then lied and told her she wasn't pregnant and finally wanted her committed for being crazy because she kept accusing Max of killing Antonio and it was upsetting Victoria whom he loved and wanted to protect.
 

Alejandra i think was a friend of Andres and Antonio she seemed cold at first towards MJ but became a good friend for her. Something that MJ didn't have and needed in Sorti besides her sister Paula.

Paula acted as both of those characters a combination of them.

Chucho lie so much along with Daniel to protect Meche and Gabriel their lies played a big part in the breakup of Antonio and Raquel.Yes Daniel even pleaded with Raquel to not tell Antonio the truth just like Pedro. Not recognizing he was helping to destroy his own daughter marriage.

Meche and Gabriel lied the same way but found out that Martha was Daniel daughter and started to tell the truth.

Meche was bought to the Lombadro household by Antonio he told her he wanted her friend Julia's address because it seem she knew about Raquel and Roberto Aguirre when she was seen by Max leaving there he threaten her and her brother's safety.

Max used violence towards Meche, Gabriel who he beat the crap out of with a lead pipe and broke his arm and eventually had Luis kidnapped.Daniel who he beat up and was going to kill because Daniel got a confession from the judge who married Max as the phony Antonio Lombardo to Raquel and he paid off.

He also killed the judge when he found out he was bought back to town by overhearing a conversation between Raquel and Camila.
 

Now for the difference between Tu o' Nadie and Sortilegio there were no twins in TO'N like in Sortilegio in don't understand why Carla couldn't have left the characters the same by her doing this it made me even more repulsed by Vicki.

While the Vicki in TO'N had only Max and she was in deep denial also, first being mean to Raquel and saying she was the cause of the problems between the two brothers. Then she started to believe Raquel then backslided into believing Max again by saying he's my hijo i can't even think or want to believe he was a monster. She did this little speech to convince Raquel from calling the police on him right away.At Max's bidding to get Raquel to cooperate and not call the police.

This Victoria finally i had enough of her when she was being influenced by Oscar Dr. Placenta to send Raquel to a mental hospital because she wanted to call the police on Max acting as Roberto Aguirre incapable of accepting how evil her own son was willing to do just that along with Dr.Placenta. they were overheard by Daniel who told them no way. Max who was there at the house with his mother and the Dr. was going along with this plan and he tried to first talk Daniel into going along and then he threaten him.Daniel was straightening up himself now and being a real father and told him point blank no.

This happened after Raquel gave birth to her and Antonio's daughter and was still in the hospital. She got visited by Gabriel who told her that Max was Roberto Aguirre, he was kidnapped by Luis on Max's orders.Then she was also visited by Meche who once again told her Max was Roberto Aguirre.This sent Raquel over the edge and her demanding that the police be called.

Victoria was told by Max that Raquel's baby was his and whether she believed him or not she was overjoyed with the news.

Camila who had a unhealthy attachment to Antonio wasn't buying and wanted to call the Police, Max getting frustated by her and knowing how she was concerning Antonio threw her and Claudio out telling them that this was now Raquel's house and since they didn't respect her anyway they needed to leave.
 

Victoria of course went right along with this, also she had moved out to live with Max when Raquel kept saying to her and everyone how evil Max was.

She of course moved back into the Lombardo mansion right along with Max.

The Sortilegio Victoria selfish but as someone said they could understand a blind mother's love for her child but two horrible children. That's why Carla ans the writer Maria Zarratinni should have never given her twins they should have left the cast like it was in the original.

No way did i buy into the Raqhell in the Sorti redemption storyline and her frightening behavior was even more reprehensible than Camil's in TO'N.

Maura was the same up unto the the date rape plan for Katia, i'll get back to this the original Maura loved Antonio the same way even saved him but wanted to keep him drugged and for herself and kept lying to him about Raquel being on the latest plot attempt to kill him with Max and Rodrigo.

This Maura went beyond with the date rape know amount of redemption and i don't believe she gets just six years and time off for good behavior.

Include her kidnapping, accessory to three murders with Bruno and the embezzelment trans action six years no way. If some people want to give her that happey ending whatever floats your boat.

Andres and Pablo roles from the first were good even though Andres had his doubts about Raquel he always spoke of how sincere she was.

Fernando wanted MJ gone because she was upsetting Vicki and he didn't care he was hurting Alex like Oscar didn't care he was hurting Antonio.

Hernan said to Alex at one time that Alex needed to decide once and for all what he was going to do about the Bruno and MJ mess and try not to hurt Vicki.

He asked him if he was going to divorce MJ but didn't make it or come across like he had to do it to placate Vicki like Oscar did in TO'N.

Oscar had a son who tried to help Raquel too but Oscar intervened by being influenced by Max's lies.
 

Finally Bruno versus Max this Bruno was evil and very good but he was no way in comparison like Max.

Bruno as was once mentioned by several people came across as cartoonish, so after reading these comments i decided to just look at how the role was played by David Zepeda and i have to agree with those who thought that.

While David acting has improved by leaps and bounds the only other novela i have seen him in was Accoralda.

Bruno with his scarves and his tongue clicking made his villainy seem like cartoonish, but at the same time he did have brilliant moments of displaying his emotions of betrayal to his mother and the big lie concerning his birth.

Max conveyed his brutality and his evilness but at the same time he could look you straight in the eye and blatantly lie. His eyes weren't shifting all over like Bruno and he never harmed Raquel.

He shook her roughly and tried to force his kisses on her but he never smacked her around like Bruno did with MJ.

Carla and Maria once again missed the boat on this part, i never got the sense that Bruno ever loved MJ like Max did with Raquel.He wanted to posess her he definitely hated losing her to Alex. It seem like Carla and Maria remember this part too late then tried to interject that Bruno was in love with MJ.

Especially after he had threw her onto the ground and kicked her in the stomach, when she was pregnant. Then he had the nerve to come up to her when she was outside with the baby and ask her if she ever loved him at all.

It was too late for Bruno and that question and emotion concerning MJ for me.
 

The ending reminded me of Alborada. In Alborada, Luis cries over the bodies of Diego and Juana even though they both made his life a living hell and Diego [his cousin] had tried to kill him on several occasions..just like Alex and Bruno. In Sortilegio, we had brothers, and in Alborada, we cousins raised as brothers. It's Cain and Abel in the final analysis. Both Bruno and Diego were evil incarnate , wheras Alex and Luis were the best of men. Good versus evil. Good triumphs and evil is defeated. The good are rewarded with happily ever after, and the evil go to Helen Fry. The End.
 

The being stranded on the deserted island in the original Antonio was tricked by Max and Rodrigo into meeting finally face to face with Roberto Aguirre. Gato took Raquel to another place where she was supposed to meet up with Antonio.

Antonio after finding out Raquel was pregnant and he confirmed it with her the baby was his decided to bring her back home, the next day. Max hearing this went crazy and formed his plan with Rodrigo to kill Antonio once and for all.


Antonio got on the boat Gato and Luis were on it too, Antonio overhears how they planned to kill him takes a oxgen tank ties it to a rope and drops it overboard.

Gato who thought he was in with Rodrigo and max learns he is being setup they planned to kill him too and let him take the downfall.

Luis and the other guy with him get into a fight with Antonio and Gato they jump overboard retrieve the oxygen tank and swim to a deserted island.

Stuck on the island for five months together these two build a credible raft out of wood and leave the island. They reach mainland but are not sure if they are in Mexico. Gato who keeps asking asking for reassurance from Antonio not turn him doesn't get it.

When they see a little hut far away Gato runs off screaming for help that Antonio is trying to kill him.Antonio is shot by the grandfather and Gato escapes he returns to Acapulco first hitting Maura up for money.

She learns where Antonio is and takes him because the grandfather refuses to get Antonio help because he could get into trouble with the police.

Maura takes Antonio to another house she has and does not want her little sister Carla to even know. Maura tries to convince Antonio that Raquel was in on the plot to kill him too.Meanwhile she keeps him drugged so he stay and recover from his gunshot wound and fall in love with her again.

Max and Rodrigo learn that Gato is alive. because Gato stupidly wanted more money, Maura was not willing to give him anymore so he called the Lombardo.house.

Rodrgio caught up to Gato and ask if Antonio was alive he found out Maura has him. and he then killed Gato.
 

Antonio finally got away from Maura and went to Pablo's house he recovered enough to call Ramon and let him know he was alive and bring him some of his things.

Claudio with help from Andres and Pablo found the judge who married Max posing as Antonio and Raquel, he brought him back with him to Acapulco.

Max was getting desperate and dangerous and so was Luis. Meche was beside herself over her missing brother Gabriel and she was sure Max was behind it.

Martha had already warned Luis to come clean in his involvement in Antonio's murder she gave him three days. Martha came to Luis apartment they argued she left him saying she was going to the police when leaving she over hears Gabriel screaming to be let out.

Luis is now holding Gabriel and Martha captive, he is told by max to murder both of them.

By this time Rodrigo confronts Maura asking her where Antonio is she lies at first then he takes out his gun on the verge of shooting her.Antonio comes in and shoots the gun out of his hand.

Martha plays up to Luis promising him she will run away with him and forget her family please put your gun down. Luis who is weak falls for it puts down his gun and Martha grabs it and shoots him in the leg.

She escapes with Gabriel, someone knocks on Luis door while he puts a tied wrap around his shot leg.He thinks it's Max but it's Antonio who confronts him with a gun.

Max is desperate he calls Pamela to get information about Pablo and what he is up to but she hangs up on him, he calls Rodrigo no answer, he calls Luis.

When he overhears Raquel and Camila conversation about the judge.He goes to confront the judge and sees Daniel leaving the hotel while he's going up the elevator to see the judge which he kills.He learns the judge signed a confession from him about his marriage to Raquel.
 

Antonio is talked to by pablo to let the police handle Max but Antonio is beyond the point of no return concerning Max, meanwhile Daniel come backs and hides the judges confession under the rug.

Antonio comes back home greets Camila who has had a change of heart with Raquel it seems she believes in Raquel and she doesn't want to be separated from her brother's only child so she has reconciled and believes in Raquel.

Antonio then greets a shocked and surprised Victoria he goes up to see his wife Raquel who is shocked then overcome with joy to see that he is alive.

Max meanwhile comeback to first Daniel's chalet looking for the judges confession he can't find he goes into the main house and see Daniel.

Max starts pounding and hitting Daniel trying to make him tell him where the confession is Daniel refuses and is ready to die in order to stop the evil Max.Max has his gun aim to shoot him.

Antonio tells Raquel he is ready for Max Raquel pleads with Antonio to let the police handle max but Antonio does not listen.

Antonio comes out of their bedroom and sees Max ready to kill Daniel and yells at him a shootout happens between the two brothers.Max is finally shot near his heart he falls on top of the dining room table.

Antonio comes down the stairs he turns Max over Max says something to him and dies. everyone runs in from the gunshots.Victoria looks at Antonio with hatred then runs to her son crying.

Antonio goes to Raquel who ask what
happen he tells her he killed Max, Raquel blames herself for destroying them and can't forgive Antonio for taking the law into his own hands. She leaves him a year later has passed and Victoria goes to see Raquel she tells her how Antonio is suffering because of their breakup and to please forgive her son.Raquel is at a park with their Daughter when Antonio comes up to them they kiss and the end.
 

Murder of the judge: The DR considered the case an accidental falling over the waterfall. The DR considers the case closed. No one can prove Bruno had anything to do with it, even though Vicki, Alex, Fernando & Katia know. They just can't prove it.

The truck accident/murder attempt: Fernando suspected Erick's cousin when he found out Erick's cousin was a truck drive but there's no proof. The only person who knows is Erick and we don't know if he got away or not.

Mateo & crew: Maura could have told the PoPo about Bruno gunning down Mateo and Friends. Bruno's dead and Erick is gone.

Useless' death: Elena is the only one who could tell the police that Bruno killed Useless. She could have given up that info to get a lighter sentence.

The Murder of Bruno: Alex & Victoria would have had to call the police/ambulance for Bruno. Alex would have been suspect #1 since he was shot and also had a gun, so I imagine they told the cops about Erick shooting Bruno and skipping away with the money.

The cops have to find Erick in order to close the books on all of these cases (except the judge b/c that didn't happen in Mexico and the prime suspect is now dead).
 

Thank you Dipity for recapping the Gran Finale. You did a great job.

I was surprised that Victoria was willing to finance Bruno's flight and surprised too at the depth of Alex's grief when Bruno died. But....we have to remember Melinama's original insight that these are MORALITY PLAYS (with plenty of hot sex to help the medicine go down).

Consistently, the good folks always forgive (pretty much instantaneously); are always ready to give the bad guy a second, third, fourth chance (remember Christ's statment that we must forgive 70 x 7 times); and they go on to lead happy, fulfilled lives because they are not burdened by rancor and resentment. And even Pedro forgave his wife and thanked her for the two daughters he had who gave his life so much joy. He didn't judge her, he accepted that she had different needs (money, prestige) and those he could not meet.

There is a folk tale about a man who could not forgive his wife's infidelity. Every day as he dwelt on his anger and cursed her in his heart, another stone was added there. By the end of his life he hobbled along, bent over in two, by the weight of all those stones.

Lesson: Unresolved anger and forgiveness issues will cripple and kill you.

Every telenovela I have watched preaches this same line. As mere mortals, we know how hard it is to be this way. I have plenty of unresolved anger issues. But I do work on letting go of them one by one and clearing the stones out of my heart.

Clearly Alex and Maria José have nary a pebble in their hot little hearts. And look at the fun they're having! Just sayin'
 

What's the big difference between Sortilegio and Tu O' Nadie Carla went over board on her plots it wasn't necessary and the schemes and certain scenes were just too discordant with true essence of this story.

From Roberto's rape of Raqhell, to Maura's facilitating a date rape of Katia, to the bisexualness of Roberto and Useless to an unneccesary twin story of Sandra and MJ it was too much.

It was like saying see how different i am from the original and disjointed at times like so many have commented about the ending.

Alex portrayal was disjointed as well to keep forgiving a murderous half brother who wouldn't stop unless he was killed or jailed for life. No i wasn't buying his crying out for Bruno last night.

I asked this question to Jarocha several days ago who decides how a novela is written since the original writer was used for Sortilegio i'm very disappointed with the results.

The Roberto Aguirre plot was used so perfectly and the twist and turns of it that Carla should have tried to put more effort in using it correctly instead of the way she did in this version.

Finally when the main villain gets out villained by the second villain Maura, then the third and fourth villains Elena and Dr. Demented then you're not doing a very good job.

One of the main components of Tu O' Nadie is each actor could hold his own and wasn't overshadowed by the other.Andres Garcia, Lucia Mendez and Salvador Pineda.

At times i felt this was just the William Levy show hands down he was never out acted in any of his scenes by his co-stars in my opinion he completely held this novela together.

Put it like this if William was not in this i would have bailed a long time ago.
 

Thanks for the recap, dpd. Great job, as always.

I had the most trouble ever understanding the scenes on the beach with Bruno, Vicki, and Alex. Guess it was the waves crashing. And, of course, the captions were not in synch when I most needed them. Why oh why did they have to have such a climactic scene with pounding surf as a backdrop.

I read the rest of the comments quickly, so I'm not sure someone else has not mentioned this, but I was astonished by something that happened on the beach. Bruno told Vicki he wanted her to get a helicopter down there and to bring Tiny Tony. He was planning to take him along as a hostage. He told Vic he'd leave him with some family in the US once he got over and even give some money for his care. Then Alex could come right over and pick him up. Say what?

Also, it was very abrupt, almost like there was something cut just before Bruno started talking about taking the baby along. Vicki tells him he's loco and that Alex would die before letting him take the child. Then Alex walks up and asks if he heard them talking about his son. He tells Bruno he's demented and how on earth could he expect him to trust him with his child. Then it goes to the part where Bruno pulls the gun and Alex challenges him to go ahead and shoot.

I liked the Mayan wedding better than the church one, although I would have preferred if they'd just let the Mayan priest talk and had sub-titles in Spanish, rather than the somewhat annoying translation.
 

I was very critical of Carla of having so many villains and not likeable people but i retract that since she was following Tu O' Nadie to the script on this part.

She could have given some more roles to some people to be on MJ's side beside her family.

Finally Jarocha ask if i would choose to kill of Vicki in this version my answer is yes IMO she was too far gone in her defense of Bruno and kept enabling his evil murderous behavior, when she finally learn about him selling his blood for the presidency that should have been the final straw.

Great performance on her part in that scene but her continued defense of Bruno later made no sense and just kept jeopardizing Alex and MJ's safety.She chose Bruno over everyone a long time ago so i can't give her happy ending and walk away into the sunset with Ferdumbo like others.

Also we never be talking about this novela and other remakes if Televisa would get the courage and tried to be more original and creative.

Jarocha and i have covered this point in our discussion i feel if you can't give the remake of a original or great novela a good cast, director and Producer why even try.

Too much time is spent on the these remakes and how to reinvent them for the fourth and fifth time when new originals should be made period.

As for the galan never killing the main villain it's absurd Pollyannaish attitude to have no one in their right mind would put up with or forgive Bruno, Maura and Elena.

I would rather Alex did kill Bruno like he deserved than Erik.

This my take on this novela it's been a fun ride love commenting and exchanging our POV with this novela sad to see it end because i will miss seeing William.


Incidently two things the orignal Victoria was played by Magda Guzman Rufi of ENDA. The second thing i hated this about Tu O' Nadie everyone smoke in the whole darn novela being a nonsmoker it drove me up the wall.
 

Anon 07:49:00 AM - I agree that Maura finally accepted that she would never have Ale.

Connie - I am pretty sure he kicked her. I rewound several times cause at first I thought he hit her on the side of the head with the gun.


Jarocha - Thank you so much for explaining about the Mayan Wedding. I also want to thank you for all the insights you have added to this blog. You are truly a gem.

Doris - "I will miss the WL/JC scenes. They do have great chemistry, IMO." I have thought that from when they first met, though the scenes at the beginning of the show were much hotter than the honeymoon.

I think that Ale always must have had a love hate relationship with Bruno.

Cubsfan - ITA that the Mayan wedding would have been nicer for Victoria and Fer, but I guess they were killing time for Vic and Fer to get back together again so they could be the Godparents.

I also can't see how Ale forgave Maura and switched the blame to Bruno. With my first husband I always blamed the women he was with because it COULD NOT be his fault.

bonney churros -I think that Fer proposed after reading Victoria's book of Poems that was all about him, and that he knew how much Victoria really loved him. I think she truly believed that their love was an impossible love because of all she thought he would miss in life. So she too came to a place of acceptance that she did not know what is best for Fer.


susanlynn - Thank you! I have the cut version of Alborada and will have to take a look back to see Daniela Roma.

Juanita - Thank you! 'Was anyone else bothered by Ale's stupid heroics on the beach?" Yes I was! and ROTFLOL with 'The only explanation I can come up with is that he knew he was the galan in a TN and that therefore he couldn't die. '


daisynjay - I am hoping to at least keep up by reading the recaps of CS. There are way too many TN's to watch right now. :)

Cielo de Levy - I was just thinking of you as I was reading the comments and here you are. I have loved your comments, and I too will miss WL and his hotness.
Happy Sailing with CS!

Sandy in TN - Happy Traveling and at least we have hot, steamy, firy love romps in the beginning of the show, but you are right we were in dark places with this one.

dpd
 

Ibarramedia - It was kind of uncharacteristic for Erick to kill Bruno. It was an interesting glance that Ale and Erick shared as he was picking up the money. Erick was good at keeping low, and to kill someone with 2 witnesses? I don't think he could get far, though we really don't know.

dpd
 

Dipity, Thank you for a bang-up job on El Gran Final!. You are a trooper and I don't think you missed a detail.

I was completely underwhelmed and rather disappointed by the episode, though. I hold Carla Estrada to a very high standard and here she did not deliver. The death on the beach scene fell flat with unconvincing emotions. She did it so well in Alborada with the death of Martín, in the arms of Felipe, crying "¡No, no!", waves crashing all around; this one seemed fake & meaningless in comparison.

I loved the Maya wedding, but the editing was so choppy, I felt I was getting the Cliff Notes version. The crowd scenes at the weddings didn't bother me until the moment when they had to use microphones to say "Acepto".

Not enough venganza! I was ready for some real smackdowns. It seemed truncated and rushed. C'mon. A single tear down Elena's cheek? And Maura's mascara barely mussed?

But I'm gonna miss my WmLevy fix every night. I'll hang out with the CS gang even though it looks dreadful, just because you guys are so cool!
 

Ibarramedia- I don't have too many Gran Final's to draw from, but I can live with this wrap up, though I agree it could have been wrapped up tighter. I really did not like Bab's fate in MEPS.
 

Jarocha - Just curious and don't answer if you don't want to but where do you live?

dpd
 

DPD thanks for s superb grand finale. And thank you to all the recappers who gave so much of their time to make this novela great and wonderful. And a special thank you to all the commenters. Recappers and commenters are all so intelligent and knowledgeable. I've learned a lot.

What am I going to do without WL. Do you think they will repeat the grand finale on Friday?

Ann-NYC
 

Cielo, I'll be with you for CS. I've stated watching El Clon and my adult kids are ROTFL at its premise, but since they help so much with translations, I'll let them make fun of my telenovelas.

Oldgirl
 

Thanks for clearing that up Dipity. I thought he hit her with the gun but it was so fast and I was distracted by the pizza sucking dog who was eyeing my wings also. She was trying the sideways tongue sneak maneuver but I was keeping an eye on her and she was BUSTED.
 

All:

My thoughts on Sortilegio...a two part comment

OEDIPUS LEX; OR THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW

There are two things that I have learned from watching Sortilegio. The first is that there is no truth in telenovela avances. The second is that Carla Estrada is way smarter than I am.

In the avances for Sortilegio we saw the beautiful William Levy and the (almost as) beautiful Jacqueline Bracamontes frolic on a white Yucatan beach. We saw the diabolical villain Bruno (David Zepeda) leering into the camera like an overblown Iago, and his long-suffering mother, Victoria (Daniela Romo) wringing her hands and looking wretched.

Assorted secondary characters soon appeared. They filled in the scenes where the love story between the two beauty queens hit the required obstacles in order for the writers to give us a more satisfactory happy ending.

For the first month I was lured in to what seemed to be a fairly simple story, a frothy escape filled with great looking people in tight clothes. Little did I know that the love story that the avances portended was not the main plot device but actually a secondary level of a deeper narrative. I contend that Sortilegio is first and last a riff on the old story of Oedipus who kills his father Laius and unknowingly falls in love with and marries his own mother, Jocasta. The central relationship in Sortilegio is not that of Alex and MJ but rather that of Bruno and his mother, Victoria. Their unhealthy attachment to one another is the axis upon which the whole plot hangs.

Victoria being the queen of the novela is actually alluded to in the opening montage. While other characters dance around her, Victoria stays seated, while a subservient Fernando, her erstwhile young love interest, formally kisses her hand. Victoria is protected by a team of devoted servants, including the delightful Felipa, who all tut-tut about Victoria’s twisted relationship with her bad seed, but who are powerless to do anything to stop her enabling behavior.

Heroes are not heroes without conflict, and antagonist Bruno provides Alex with plenty of obstacles to overcome from the very beginning of the story. But I argue that the real conflict with which Alex contends throughout the series is not Bruno’s hatred. The real conflict for Alex is with Victoria, Alex’s stepmother, to whom Alex hands over all genuine power. Victoria continues to enable Bruno to live in the house and she does virtually nothing to protect the ever-good Alex against Bruno’s constant threats.
 

Second half of comment...

Victoria proves to be no real friend to Maria Jose, either, through most of the novela. Always distantly gracious, she is never really in MJ’s corner when the chips are down and does not give an ounce of power in the household over to her new daughter-in-law.

The stunning final scene of Victoria, Bruno, Alex and Erick silenced any doubt we might have had before last night about the twisted relationship between Victoria and Bruno. Victoria’s passionate pleas of love to her son and Bruno’s love–hate relationship with his Mother were played out in a dramatic fashion as they grappled with each other in the surf in a scene that smacked of the sandy sexual tension displayed in movies like, “From Here to Eternity”.

Arguably, the Oedipal plotline provided us with a much more sophisticated and engaging novela that we would have had with just Price Charming Alex—and he is charming, as well as easy on the eyes—and Bracamontes in her tripartite role as Cinderella/MJ/Sandra.

And that is why I say that Carla Estrada is sure smarter that I am. Could a less wily storyteller have lured me into watching Sotilegio with avances of Vicki, Queen of Merida, her wanna-be-novio Fernando and her true love, Bruno? Probably not. Even if I had been shown avances of the great looking Mexitrash posse, a trisexual love story, sappy Papa Pedro, lurid Lolita Katia, Elena the evil-but-bustalicious Mommy and some scene-stealing older male characters, would I have been likely to tune in? I don’t think so.

But, as I have learned, there is no law that says that avances must be an accurate reflection of tale yet to be told. Or that a master plotter has to tip you off that she is hiding a 2500-year-old tragedy in the guise of a Mexican telenovela.

Sra Estrada is clearly a storyteller who knows how to hook her audience. She held me to the novela with the promise of hot lovemaking, frustrated me with Bruno’s lame plots and Raquel’s rants and raves, annoyed me with Pedro’s self -pity, exhausted me with Victoria’s denial, and amused me with Cuco. In true storyteller fashion she did not show all of her cards until those final scenes with Victoria, Bruno and Alex, and she still managed an ultimo capitulo payoff of two weddings and a funeral. Bravo to you, Sra Estrada. I raise a glass to you.

EJ
 

Novelera, I heard that helicpoter request dialouge and Bruno asking for Tony. I was just thinking that Bruno was just reaching at that point. So desperate that he is just throwing wild ideas that make no sense and would never work. That is why Victoria said are you crazy?!?!? That is just plain nuts.

Dipity, Thanks fro a great job and I can only reference 3 Gran Finals.
I should not even count the Pasion final because I ws so late for the party. Coming in 1 week before it all ends. I have the dvd version but that does not really tell me the whole story.

Interesting comparison by anon with Acapulco and Tu or Nadie. Great work with the memory bank.
I can understand a little bit now why things are they are in Sortilegio. That is some story. Of course you have to make some changes to make it interesting enough but not deviate from the main plot.

I sound like i'm banging my head on a brick wall but I firmly believe that great writing will garner a large audience even if it is new.


Ibarramedia
 

Ibarramedia - I was wondering if they were indeed naked in the end of last scene. I kept rewinding to make sure. Thanks for the clarification.

Thank heavens Bruno's out of his misery!! So much hatred/jealousy in him. I felt bad for Alex; he felt awful that he and half-bro never got along - shame.
 

JudyB - I agree holding onto anger only robs us of life!
 

Does everyone want me to post something tomorrow so we can continue our discussion?
 

Alex and MJ are really loving, kind people, hence their capacity for forgiveness. And as I've mentioned in the past, men (when crossed) generally are not spiteful nor do they hold grudges.
 

Novelera- "Bruno told Vicki he wanted her to get a helicopter down there and to bring Tiny Tony. He was planning to take him along as a hostage." OMG, I totally missed that. Thank you for sharing.

dpd
 

Elna June....Wow,wow,wow and then more wow. What an interesting take on the Sortilegio's hidden meaning and Carla Estrada's strategy. Hats off to you, lady.
 

Elna June, I love the way you think! What a greek tragedy with the Oedipus Rex reference. Yes! Yes! it trully is a twisted yet unconscious love affair between Victoria and Bruno. His desire to be accepted by his mother and Victoria's disproportionate love for Bruno and just a little bit to Raquel. I have to raise a glass to you. This is your BEST.POST.EVER.
It could very well be post of the year. Cheers.

MrslmGalllego, Alejandro and Maria Jose were naked from the back which we see. But for all we know the costume guys probably fashioned some sort of front cover. BNot unlike you would see from models were they band aid their nipples.

My personal feelings about Maura if I had been Alex visiting her in prison is deep sadness and disappointment. Of course, I would have forgiven her. I'm a sucker. But I would have been asking why din't you resist? Why did you do it? You could have been stronger. This is harder because they once shared a romantic connection however fickle it may have been. It is not like Maura is just some servant who rarely interacted with ALejandro but was obsessed with him. Maura meant something to him at one point in his life.

JudyB, You make good points about forgiveness and Christian Values. I'm sure you know that Christ gave himself up so that he could save the world and all it's sins. Priests constantly preach about the power of forgiveness. Such as it is, we are human and we most of us are not saints. There are times when we have vindictiveness buried deep in our heart and with reason. You folk tale about every stone added to a persons heart with each day of bitterness and hatred rings true. There was a time in my life when I was more Victor Newman like and wanted to crush all those who had wronged me. Minus the unlimited financial resources of course. I learned to let go of things because it will never end.
You do make some good points.



Ibarramedia
 

Sounds like a good idea, Connie. There may be more meat on this bone.

Elna June, great Oedipus Rex analysis!

Of course we were all not exactly surprised and somewhat disgusted when Vicki went down there with the dinero. But Bruno pushed her buttons by saying he would kill himself, a threat few mothers could turn away from. He also came up with crossing the river like a mojado (wetback), which also made her fear for his life.
 

For those fashion minded, maria jose's wedding gown for the church wedding was the actaul bridal gown of jaqueline bracamontes sister. Jaqueline loved it it so much she decided to wear is for Maria Jose's wedding!
 

Yes Novelera. Bruno spoke of crossing the border to Guatemala. He the esteemed son of Don Antonio was going to cross the river like a wetback in his pleas to his mother.

If Maria Jose never entered their lives, Bruno and Alejandro would still be one upping each other. I don't know if he would have turned to the dark side completely by attempting to murder him. They sure would not get along though.

Once he set out to have Alejandro murdered, he was never the same. He entered the point of no return.
This set forth a chain reaction of deadly consequences. Once you kill somebody, it changes you forever. You also lose a little of that aprehension. Maura got snared by the web of deceit and when she was having second thoughts, she was not strong enough to break free because of her mad obsession for Alejandro. Paula seems like she is pretty cold blooded. I shudder to think what life for her would have been like if she grew up in Elena and Jorge's care isntead of Sandra. She seems to have a penchant for evil if not tempered by Maria Jose and Pedro. It takes those two to rein her in. Alejandro also learned he had to be stern with her. She is almost like a wild stallion that need to be tamed.


Ibarramedia
 

Thank you, dpd, and all the other recappers. Even when I didn't enjoy the episodes (and I sure didn't enjoy this gran final) I at least had the recaps to look forward to.

I must agree with those who felt last night was a let down. I thought the pacing was really off, things were happening too fast, and I felt like I was falling asleep in several places because the dialogue would change so fast. I kept rewinding, thinking I'd missed something, but I assume it was just excessive editing.

Ah, well. See you in CS land, if you're staying :)
 

EJ - Loved your 2 part comment. It gives of a whole new perspective. I raise a glass to you for all your insightful comments!

dpd
 

Serendipitypb thank you so much for the recap. You made a great job with the finale. I live in Veracruz, México.

Thank you all for your nice comments.

Anon. About the differences between Acapulco and Sortilegio. I think the story was a little less convulted. There were no bisexual characteres, no twin sister, no Dr Demento, no date rape and other stuff.

They changed the names of all the characteres. The villain was played by Guillermo García Cantú and he was great, the main couple was played by Saúl Lisazo and Patricia Manterola. The lead girl was more spunky, cried less than MJ. The sister was a little older than Paula and was played by Karla Álvarez, she was a little more devious than Paula but ended up being good. Chantal Andere played the Maura character, she was ten years younger than in Sorti but she was good and also devious but looking at Sorti I think Ana Brenda's character was involved in more stuff.

I think Acapulco was more simple and easier to follow than Sortilegio, a big problem for the leads in Acapulco was that they both had difficult characteres so they fought alot, the Bruno character was truly inlove with the main girl and she was inlove with him at the begining. I think MJ fell for Alex more quickly in Sorti but the bad character played by Cantú in Acapulco was pretty charming so while she never got back together with him after she was told of his plans she took a while to fall inlove with the main galán but they ended pretty inlove.

There was also no love between their Victoria and a young Fernando (I can't remember that role on Acapulco), but she did love her son and was an enabler until she realized he was so bad.

There was another love interest for the main character in Acapulco and she tried to start a relationship with him after her first separation of the main character but she left him because she didn't love him.

The end had the fight between the brothers and the mom saving the good one but falling to her death with her son while the poor "Alex" cried for her.

There was no big wedding but instead we went one year later and saw the main characteres and their son from the beautiful view of their house in Acapulco, she had left for some reason I can't remember and they were being reunited again forever.

Jarocha
 

Sorry, I meant Chantal Andere was good playing Maura but her character was a good villain and although she was more "mean" than Sorti's Maura, she was involded in less stuff.

Jarocha
 

Elna June hats off to you put a fine analysis on your take of Sortilegio i still compare it to Tu O' Nadie, but there was always something so twisted to me about Vicki's and Bruno relationship.

I could never care for her character or be quite moved by her like others here have, why was i so turned off by her the underlying selfishness she displayed, the enabling that she kept consistently using with Bruno.

Although she was caring and loving to Alex and eventually MJ it in no way compared to her love for Bruno, to me she was just as dangerous for her love of her son because it truly did jeopardize his safety and his wife's too.

While she was not intentionally evil her actions and self denial of how evil and unredeemable Bruno was too much for me accept that she was a major liability to Alex.

While Alex knew she loved him she just didn't love him like she loved her Bruno.

I guess i didn't cover this in my comments of the comparison between Tu O' Nadie and Sorti.

Jackie B. fell short to me as a actress in this novela she just didn't bring it her performance was so many times off and not able to keep up with William in most of their scenes.

I will say they have a good chemistry for their love scenes but i have seen better.

This is another reason why i am starting to hate all of these remakes when a novela, a TV show a movie is considered a all time classic.

It's very hard to measure up to it if it's not cast right, rewritten with brand new wrinkles and directed and produced well.

Carla just went over the top in trying to upstage the other two versions of this story and she took away and lost the simple essence of the first story.

In other words if she had just kept it more simple to the original instead of adding shocking scenes and plots for shock value sake she made have made another big hit of the remake of this version.

She didn't do it and doesn't measure up, Very disappointed with the Gran Final, but I will say love the final scene of Alex and MJ at the beach.

Love their lovemaking scenes throughout the novela, this is where she did her best work and it outshone the original right here.

I'm don't watch most of Carla works only one Privilegio de Amar, i don't know if i want to watch anymore because i was unsatisfied with this version.
 

Ibarramedia
"I sound like i'm banging my head on a brick wall but I firmly believe that great writing will garner a large audience even if it is new."

I totally agree with you! We don't remakes!

Pasion, MEPS, and Sortilegio are the only ones I can think of that I have watched beginning to end.

dpd
 

Paula gets it from her momma. That's why she and Gabriel are NOT a good match. Paula has needs (not just monetary) that Gabe just can't provide. He's too soft for her. If they ever marry, Paula will leave Gabe just like Elena left Pedro.

I think if you classify Sortilegio as a love story between Victoria and her son you have to include the other son, Alejandro. I think she was in love with both Bruno and Alejandro because they were both parts of Antonio. Victoria could not openly love Bruno as the son of Antonio because she was ashamed of how Bruno and Raquel came to be. Bruno probably picked up on that shame as a little child. He didn't find out until his mid-30s that he was the son of Antonio! Victoria probably NEVER would have told him unless she was forced to.

With Alejandro, Victoria could be open with her affection for him because he was recognized as the son of Antonio and conceived and born out of a marriage, not out of an affair.

I think both Bruno & Raquel picked up on their mother's shame and knew instinctively they had something to do with it. They both deep down knew they were seedy and shameful. It manifested itself in Bruno's hatred of Alex and Raquel needing to always appear proper and classy.
 

of the man with the stones in his heart. It really moved me. And isn't it a testament to great storytelling that the producer and writer can give us a story with so many layers of meaning—becuase the morality play aspect is absolutely present and is a huge aspect of this genre.

Thank you for your kind words, amiga. You are one of my recapping heroes. Perhaps I'll get to be a recapper, just like you, when I grow up—or for La Dueña, whichever comes first.
 

They were supposed to look naked but they probably had on some very tight form fitting swimwear to make it look like that from the back.
 

Woe, Elna June. That was an excellent analysis. Vicky really was the queen bee of this novela. That was a very good point you made about Vicky never giving any control of the house to MJ. MJ was so meek that she never challenged her mother to become mistress of her own home. The first thing I would have done is redecorate. I think you're right. This novelas main plot really revolved around the Vicky-Bruno-Alex love triangle. Bruno had a tragic flaw that made him create havoc all around him trying to win his mother's love from Alex. Look around you. I've seen it time and again. Mothers protect the weakest of their children. I guess they know that the strong will survive on their own. Art imitates life, n'est-ce pas? Great ideas , Elna June.
 

One thing from Acapulco that it is very particular from that novela. The main lead girl was VERY poor. I've always felt that Lucía Mendez's character was more from a struggling middle class than really poor and MJ looked more badly dressed than poor.

The lead in Acapulco was very poor and I don't know if she finished highschool but she definitely didn't have University studies. She did have alot of street smarts. She lived in the poor hills of Acapulco, that city is so particular for having the two extremes, the very rich and the very poor, living so closely together. I don't think I've ever seen such contrast in any other city in México. Probably in DF is simmilar but that city is much bigger and the land doesn't have so much hills and curves, so you can't stand in one place and look at the right and see poverty and then look at the left and see wealth like you can in Acapulco.

Mérida is much more even in that sense. There are great beautiful mansions but nothing out of this world in money displays and there are areas of people with lower income but not such a terrible image of poverty.

Jarocha
 

Dipity:

Thank you for a fine recap and for your recapping work all during this show. You have so much on your personal plate and you took the time not only to recap this TN but to enliven the recaps with personal stories that made my experience of this TN very rich indeed.

Please come back soon and recap again.

With deep appreciation and kindest regaards,

EJ
 

I think Bruno and Racq were just born 'defective.' Maybe V's and Antonio's genes weren't compatible.
 

JudyB:

My earlier nod was to you, amiga, and your story of the man with the stones in his heart. Thank you for that. The early part of my post got cut off when I put it up. ;)

EJ
 

PS. I do remember that Tu O Nadie was made in Acapulco, but we didn't saw the poor side as much in that one. Although the Lombardo mansion was great. Outdated and all, I still really like the decorations of that house.

Jarocha
 

dpd, I haven't watched this for the last couple of weeks because of other demands on my time, but I had to drop by and see how this ended. What a wonderful wrap up you did. I see there are a lot of mixed feelings about this final episode and the show in general but absolutely everyone agrees on the quality of your account of this last episode as well as the
quality of the jobs done by all the recappers here. Thanks to everyone who recapped here as well as to all the commenters who provided insight, entertainment, and occasionally even fireworks here each day. I plan to rejoin you guys for Corazón Salvage.

Carlos
 

Ahoy, Carlos ~ Glad to hear that you will be part of the crew for CS. Has anyone informed you that you will be needing a pirate name ? [I plan to resurrect my old Pasion alias ''Mad Bess.'' For awhile, I held on to it in FELS, but I added a bakery note- ''Mad Buns Bess'' - at Cap'n Sylvia Sharkbait's suggestion. She and I seem to be bad influences on each other. We would never have been allowed to sit together in studyhall. As you can see, Cap'n Sylvia was so happy with her pirate name that she has continued to use it. I, on the other hand, fell back to my original, bland, boring Susanlynn. ] Jarocha~~Thanks for that interesting bit of info about Acapulca.
 

Jarocha i thought Lucia Mendez as Raquel was more middle class too and the Paula character was a material girl trying to live vicariously through her sister with her new very rich husband.

One thing Carla should not have changed was making Erik older than Paula it was a creepy and disgusting reference for me, she should have kept his role as a young man maybe near Bruno's age who did his dirty work but wanted Paula too.

Like the Luis was towards Martha in Tu O' Nadie.

I loved the inside of the Lombardo house in Tu O' Nadie another thing that distacted the viewers from the actors in Sorti.

Who was it that said when we first got introduced to the inside of the Lombardo's house that the decorations were overshadowing the actors themselves.

Inside of that house and Maura's hello kitty living room were two additional needless distractions plus Barbie's watermelon pink fridge so unnecessary.
 

The day telenovelas don't end with a wedding is the day I stop watching telenovelas. I reject the moral relativism of American soaps, and American television in general. I want to see good triumph over evil. I want to see the family prevail. I want to see the wholesome love between a man and a woman, the celebration of old people and their wisdom, the delight over a newborn child.

The "song" that everyone was singing at the wedding was the Lord's Prayer, and the synching was off. It's not that they didn't know the words.

Let's face it, the production values of Sortilegio were not the highest. How about that last scene where Paula and the gimpy artist express their love for each other. Did anyone else notice the crowds gathered behind the gates watching the filming of the telenovela? A better production would not have allowed us to see those crowds.
 

Ano 5:42 Hear ! Hear ! I completely agree with you. I like the optimism of the telenovela endings where evil is punished and good prevails. I don't like the harsh , gritty reality of so many of today's films. Take me back to those old, upbeat movies and tv shows. We all make our own realities. What's that old story: Two prisoners were in the same prison cell, but as they both gazed out the tiny window, one saw the bars while the other saw the stars. Believing is seeing. Look for the good, and you'll see it.
 

Wow! What amazing comments all day today. (I was too busy at work to check in until now.) Elna June- I loved your analysis! Definitley one of the best I've read.

Anon and Jarocha- Thanks for the info on the previous versions. The thing that those two seem to have in common is a long separation between the father (the Alex character) and his child. I HATE that about TNs and am glad that didn't happen in this one. It's like they don't think it's as important for a man to be part of those first formative weeks/moths/years and he can just pop back in, poof, like nothing happened. I like that they made Alex someone who had such tender and deep feelings for his child, the woman he loves, and his family and friends. I agree, that MJ should have had more friends other than Paula. She definitely needed more people in her corner many times. And I also would have liked to have seen more tenderness between her and Bruno to show his love for her. Although they seemed to have had no problem having the hero kill the villain in Tu o Nadie, it seems from what you said Anon that his punishment was having the MJ character not speak to him or see him for a year (also not seeing his child) because she was so upset that he killed his evil brother. So that says that killing someone, even justified, does not go unpunished for the hero. I think we all would have been really ticked off at MJ here had she shed a tear for Bruno and/or separated Alex from Tony because she was mad at him. That would not have flown. Uh, uh. No way.
 

Susanlynn you were Mad buns Bess from FELS. I did not know that. Wow. ;)

Nothing wrong with feel good stories. Yoiu can still have good triumph over evil in American stories. Family values and appreciation of life. it is just packaged differently. More realistic in the sense that what you are watching is not a one dimensional fantasy land that does not refelct the world we live in. A utopia of sorts. The Brady Bunch is good escapist fun, but sadly not how we would view our world today.

I don't know how it is onj your side of life nor would I deprive you of what you like. You like what you like and that is good. I like some of today's gritty reality based tv(not reality shows) because it shows a level of sophistication in the creativity of the storyline and portrayal of actual people in different professions. That is why I was drawn to shows like ER, the LAW and Orders, The CSIs, Criminal Minds,The Sopranos.

You can't get anymore fantasy like than the Dark Knight. It is a superhero movie, but it takes you down to earth because of the complex psychological issues Bruce Wayne had in dealing with his parents murder by fighting crime. Good still wins out in the end. But sometimes, there is a price to pay. Contrast this to the batman series of the 1960's. Campy and fun. Good always winning out in the end. But it lacke the soiphistication needed to be taken seriously.

Susanlynn ans anon, don't take my point of view as a rejection of your choices because it is not. We just have different choices and I still appreciate the contributions you make. :)

If we all liked the same thing, the world would be such a boring place. :)

Ibarramedia
 

Vivi, the thing about Maria Jose's
situation is that she and Paula are outsiders. Therefore it is harder for them to gain any friends when lines are drawn across the sand. It had to take som elike, trust and belief to gradually sway others to their side. Roberto is one example. Even the voice of reason, Felipa was skeptical at first.

It even becomes more challenging when you try to convince a family to side with her against a family member. The saying that blood is thicker than water and he might be an asshole but he is our asshole fits here.

Look around you, at school and work, it is rare that newcomers make such a splash unless they do something really spectacular that defies explanation. People are cliquish by nature and there is a certain comfort level with that.

Imagine in your family all is well, then someone out of the blue shows up and says something about so and so. You are more likely to believe your family over this unknown person. I would certainly approach with caution and ask for more information.

Ibarramedia
 

I'm only part way through the comments, but for a telenovela ending this was one of the worst acted and edited in the 7 or 8 years I've been glued to my tv screen. Dare I also say "overdone" and "over the top" when it comes to 4 weddings? I do!

As for Mama and Alex on the beach with Bruno begging, brawling and then bawling....I say FUSHI!
 

Jardinera, enjoy reading. It may take you all night. :)

Ibarramedia
 

p.S. Dipity: Great job in recapping this gaudy fin to the show. We'll miss your recaps and hope you'll join us again soon!
 

Ibarramedia- I totally agree about the cliquish nature of class and family. In fact, that's why I so understood how desperate and alone MJ felt through most of the tn. But it seems in the other versions that she eventually has at least one other friend aside from her sister (and let's face it, Paula was more like her daughter than her friend). Having a true friend in her corner would have given her a sounding board as well as probably made her seem like a stronger, more assertive character because she had some back up. The only real friend she had was Alex, once he finally decided to believe in her. So we only ever got to see her in defensive mode- backed into a corner when people threw accusations or threats at her. Having more support would have given the character more heft and likely would have made her seem less weepy.
 

About the production - I have to say the camera crew did a fantastic job. Especially when it came to capturing WL's every emotion - he's so photogenic.

As for the sound crew - thumbs down.
 

Glad you understood where I was coming from with what I said. Another thing, Maria Jose' living in the Lombardo mansion would definitely make her or most women weepy. ;)

In some ways, I think she would have preferred to be in prison than live with a messed up dysfunctional family with her husband and his brother getting into almost daily fist fights like 7 year olds. I think she liked staying with elena despite that creepy DR. Mengele Jorge because she was pretty much left to her own devices and was enjoying painting and gardening.


Ibarramedia
 

Vivi another reason why i was very harsh with Vicki and thought she evil and a villain too though many disagreed with me was first they gave her two children instead of one like in Tu O' Nadie.

Her neglect of Raqhell probably played as big a part as her overindulgence of Bruno and his bad behavior.

Also i recognize and felt in a way how a child feels when it is neglected or not equally loved by it's parent. My own personal experience surfaced a lot while watching Vicki.

That's why most of the time i couldn't stand her looking for reassurance and seeking approval for the fine job she has done as a mother from everybody at the beginning it hit to close to home for me.

Simply put i wanted to slap her like Camila did Carloca the other night.

While i know that Raqhell felt this neglect that does bot excuse her bad behavior, once again the should have kept this character more like the original.

I just realize i don't think Bruno ever hit Raqhell did he, all the violence he had against women i remember him hitting her or maybe i missed that scene.
 

Lol! Exactly Ibarramedia. It did not go unoticed by me how much happier and free MJ seemed in Saqui (even being knocked up and facing single working motherhood) and in Toluca (even when having to share the same living space as Elena and Dr. Demented). Even though Jorge was annoying and occassionally felt the need to verbally abuse her, he seemed to leave her alone 99% of the time, and Elena also could not be bothered to be the doting mother, so she had time and space to do the things she loved. Plus she had Don P, who turned into a real friend and loving grandparent. Heck, she even had Emiliano! At the Lombardo Casa, there were people plotting and harping on her constantly, her dad was impotent to help her, and she couldn't always depend on her MIL (who she liked) to be in her corner. Even with a hot husband and cute baby, I'd be weepy too. :)
 

Anon Bruno did not hit Raquel but he manhandles her a few times I think.

Anon, you are one of the many anons here, but I understand now where you are comng from based on yourn explanation of the previous versions of the show and your personal experience as a child. I can pice together certain of your posts from the past because of your writing style.

Why didn't you explain this earlier? You could have filled us in without divulging spoilers. Anyway, it is better sometimes to treat this as a stand alone show independent of its previous versions. Your comparisons of Tu o Nadie,Acapulco Cruerpo y alma with Sortilegio may have biased you to a certain extent.



Ibarramedia
 

Anon- I understand. We all come to this with our own experiences.

I don't think he ever HAD to hit Raquel because she always went along with him and he could easily manipulate her. However, had they showed a showdown between the two of them had Raq found out he kille Useless, the we might have seen some blows exchanged, because Raq would have gone after him. Possibly with a knife.
 

Wow! Atrocious spelling and grammar in my last post! :)
 

Jardinera:

One of the thing I most enjoy about your posts is that you take no prisoners. I am LOL and ITO with you about the overacting and OTT weddings in this TN.

The only way I could make meaning of it all was to take a view from 50,000 feet and look for the overall storytelling pattern. But I always get a kick out of your no-nonsense approach.

With appreciation to you for recapping for us on Sorti.

EJ
 

Even if i treat this as a stand alone show it's not all that good.

Jarocha talked about it so well yesterday, that the quality of novelas has gone down so much i called a dumbing down of them.

I don't understand why Televisa is taking this stance they can still have a good versus evil story but yet in still keep.

The real human emotions come into play, all of what Alex went through because of Bruno to me he either called the cops on him and had him arrested or he killed himself.

There's nothing wrong with having intelligent galans and heroines who have spunk and are willing to fight instead wringing their hands and crying woe is me like Pedro.

Nor would i find it wrong for the main galan if he had to kill either, but you have to have create writers who can be original in representing these stories and introducing them maybe to a reluctant at first audience.

I 'm the first to admit i was going to bail on ENDA and go and watch Mas Sabes el Diablo on Telemundo at the same time when it started in July.

What may me stay and in up watching ENDA and even recapping for Fridays episode. The acting, the writing,the casting well most of it Emoon is getting on my last good nerve. The directing and Producing.

While ENDA is another remake the writing is creative and innovative because one of the people who saw the original spoke about the differences when one of the sisters was killed off.

Asking someone to try to separate a remake from what one would consider a classic, well bring up that line again after CS finishes i wonder what the fans of the Eduardo Paloma and Edith Gonzalez will say about it.

You can't help the comparison just the last remake King Kiong to the original with Fay Wray. The Wizard of Oz or Gone with the wind.

Whatever fond memories that these movies and shows evokes in us there will always be a comparison.
 

On another note:

The remake of Cuna de Lobos will start pre-production soon. It's gonna be called "Derecho de Sangre". Apparently Mejía just wants to wait for William Levy.

The rumor was that Maité Perroni was gonna be the female protagonist but today there's been some rumors that apparently Mejía said he wants a movie actress for the role. The rumored one is Ana Claudia Talancón. Her better known work and been in El Crimen del Padre Amaro and Arráncame La Vida. She was approached to be part of Mujeres Asesinas 3 and she accepted so maybe Mejía wants to prove he can also get movie actors for his series since there hasn't been much positive feedback for that project.

Jarocha
 

All:

Novelera posted the following comment that I don't think any of us addressed...

"I read the rest of the comments quickly, so I'm not sure someone else has not mentioned this, but I was astonished by something that happened on the beach. Bruno told Vicki he wanted her to get a helicopter down there and to bring Tiny Tony. He was planning to take him along as a hostage. He told Vic he'd leave him with some family in the US once he got over and even give some money for his care. Then Alex could come right over and pick him up. Say what"?

What did the rest of you think?
 

Thanks, Serendipity for the recap. All the recappers--Melinama, Chavala, Kat, Connie, 'Dipity, and Jardinera--did fabulous work in keeping us on track with this muddled masterpiece. Also, my gratitude to the commenters who added insight and hilarity every day. Jarocha, your comments had the special value of "insider" knowledge. Thanks for joining in.
Elna June, your analysis of the Oedipal aspects of this TN was was excellent and completely correct, IMO. Ibarramedia, thanks for the timeline of the finale. I'll let Alex slide by with no scar on his arm.
I'm not sure about CS, but I'll probably hang in there just to keep up with this forum.
La Paloma
 

Elna June, I commneted on that already. :)


Ibarramedia
 

Thanks Dpd for an excellent recap.
before I forget, you asked about the song they were singing at the wedding? Did anyone besides me think that it sounded like a Spanish version of the 23rd Psalm? I thought I heard familiar lines like "But deliver us from evil" (in spanish of course).

Some of the comments are great and insightful. Others are, well let me put it this way: A person who knows all the right answers after a football game is called a Monday morning quarterback. There must be similar name for those of us who know better than Carla Estrada exactly how this novela should have been written, directed, produced and what color schemes should have been used. (Personally, I think that was great on her part to include her fans in the last wedding scene. I don't understand the big deal of MJ and Alex having to wave to the crowds??) Afterall, both actors are in show biz, they probably felt right at home in a crowd.

I was so happy for Vicki and Fernando in the end. I wish them both well. I'd like to see her in something else in the future.

I was definitely OK with Erik getting away with the money. Being is criminal is hard work but somebody has to do it. Like Variopinta and someone else said, he earned that money the hard way.

Although I agree with all that has been said about forgiveness, I think that Alex was far too quick to forgive Maura. He didn't seem to take time to process all that had happened before just giving blanket forgiveness. It's almost as though he felt guilty for abandoning her love.

He also didn't use his head when he gave Bruno the chance to kill him, even though he also had a gun. Then, he again gave Bruno the chance to call the shots by dropping his gun to "fight it out like a man" at Bruno's request. It's no wonder Bruno thought that he was smarter and more capable of being in charge than Alex.

Lurker in SC
 

Jarocha, William is suppose to be starting his movie this month and it's for four month project so are you saying he's going to wait for William to finish his movie project? I thought William was sign on to do only 13 episodes of it.

Also you are talking about his new remake of Cuno de Lobos right about the not so favorable views of him being the one in charge of it.

As the person with their Monday morning quarterback comment i suppose critics of TV, movies and other such shows are Monday morning quaterback too hmmmm.

Too bad Carla did such a bad job with this remake, it could have been so much better and interior decorating,directing, casting, writing and producing MY POINT OF VIEW.
 

Ibarramedia and La Paloma:

Thanks for your kind words. Ibarramedis thanks also for the timeline.

Big smile to each of you.

Are you in the boat for CS?

EJ
 

Lurker in SC - They sang the Lord's Prayer at the wedding. Is that the song you're asking about?

ElnaJune -- great assessment of this story! You nailed it.
 

Erik getting away and not getting caught runs counter to the premise that Good always triumphs over evil. And bad gusy get their just desserts. Sometimes I think that other people would rather something bad happen to Raquel. Erik is not clean. He is a criminal. Yeah someone has to do it. It's hard work. Bruno was a criminal too.



Ibarramedia
 

Elna June, I am watching Corazon Salvaje. I have to since it is a period series. I was about to bail out on MEPS and SORTI but somehow got alked out of it. I was going to bow out because FELS took so long and I found myself making excuses on most nights. That's why i referenced my Social life comment or lack thereof. I know Connie and Homre are laughing at me right now. ;)

I just hope CS is not over 200 episodes.

By the way, Jarocha what is the exact era of Corazon Salvaje 2009 version? I'm just curious thats all. I want to reference their clothing fashion and military uniforms.



Ibarramedia
 

Anon 7:52 You echoed most of what I'm saying not including the Monday mornng quarterback comment.


Ibarramedia
 

Food for thought. I don't think it was necessarily an oedipal thing with bruno and mom. I think he was a spoiled brat and mommy could accept that it was her fault and gave him everything. She wanted desperately to believe him, out of her own guilt that was responsible. I see this in everyday life and not only between mom and son but dad and son. My neighbor's son is so bad and everyone sees it but the father who raised him without the mom and who spent little time with him as he was growing up. He doesn't want to face the fact that he may be partly responsible. The kid always appeared sweet and manerly around dad but outside the ho9use he was stealing gas from people's cars, setting garbage cans on fire when he was mad at someone totally unrelated to the garbage can he burned. Hooky school, lie, steal, the whole nine yards. To this day and the man is 40ish and still doing things that could get him put in jail (beating up girlfriends, but telling dad they are just trying to get him in trouble, etc) but his father doesn't see what he is doing. I Guilt is blind. I did not see any oedipal complex here, nor is uncommon for a woman to fall for someone 20 years younger.
 

I think for Bruno to be so obsessed with winning Victoria's love over Alex, points to something Oedipal going on.

Bruno didn't have that same jealousy towards Raquel because Raquel didn't merit enough of Victoria's attention. Victoria pretty much ignored Raquel. She was no competition for Bruno, therefore Bruno never had to terrorize Raquel like he terrorized Alex.

Alex DID take attention away from Bruno in part because he was a little kid. He was a toddler when Victoria and the twins returned to Antonio's life. Bruno had needs that Victoria just could not fill and he took it out on Alex and everyone who paid attention to Alex.
 

Lurker: I haven't seen this episode in a while but, could it have been the Our Father prayer? It ends with "deliver us from evil", "liberanos de todo mal. Amén".

Anon. Mejía will finnish CS in april, he'd only have to wait a month for William.

Ibarramedia: I believe the at the backstory they are in the 1850's. So the characteres should be at the 1870's during the main story. Don't worry much about the uniforms, the story is set in the Port of Veracruz, my city, and my old high school was infront of the old military school that is now a museum, so I've seen pictures of soldiers of that time and they are not being exactly faithful in terms of color and most clothing for the military men. They shot the parts with the city in Tlacotalpan, three hours from here, so the city also looks different from Veracruz. Only the frontal shots of the city belong to Veracruz since they had to take shots of the San Juán de Ulúa Fort to represent the wall that surrounded the city at that time and the aereal shots are made with a computer to recreate the old look of the Port.

Jarocha

Jarocha
 

Extra long day...what’s my treat?.... reading the comments in greater detail, printed, in bed, in my jammies with a glass of wine..(here’s to you Anon)

There is way too much meat here today to even begin to address everything..but I want to say....EJ, OMG(goodness) “The central relationship in Sortilegio is not that of Alex and MJ but rather that of Bruno and his mother, Victoria.” I will never re-watch this novela, but if I ever did, it would be fantastic to see it again with this perspective in mind...Why oh why didn’t I realize this gem in the beginning, it would have made a huge difference, my head and mind were focused on the love between MJ and Alex, I should have focused more on Bruno and Vicky...EJ, outstanding!

Ibarra, one of the problems of doing a remake, covering a classic song or copying someone’s dress is that, you can never escape the comparisons. I for one have enjoyed the comparisons and think they are unavoidable...By the way, which do you like better, the English version of “The Office” or the US version?

Anon, as I said above, I’m turning in early tonight...if you are around tomorrow and the blog is open, I’d love to discuss things further.

I don’t have all the answers, but I have one thing to say, why burden a person who has suffered an incredible loss with YOUR need for them to feel forgiveness. Let people handle a debilitating loss in the the way that they want to, forgiveness or not. Let other’s hearts go where they want and need to go, no guilt trips.

dpd, forgot to thank you for your excellent recap under duress (Mountain Time!) Your work was very much appreciated!!
 

Thanks for an excellent final recap dpd! And thanks to all the recappers for this TN - your dedication week after week made it possible for me to understand what happened in every episode.
And thanks to everyone who commented as well - the comments were always amusing and enlightening.
It's been fun, and I'll miss the show and recaps/comments. I may sporadically watch CS, or regularly watch something else in the future. Thanks again everyone!
 

Sandy, I like both equally. I don't really follow it as intensely as I do other shows. See it very seldom. I also have an affinity fo the UK version for trivia purposes because Ricky Gervais used to be the lead singer of the UK New Wave group called Seona Dancing. They were underground and had a one hit wonder called more to lose. Very danceable and not known to the general public and a rare song. Probably not your cup of tea since it is from a particular era and it is New wave with all that pop synth...

I do have the movie version of it because I follow Jennifer Aniston's movies. Hot babe and cool actress. ;) :)



Ibarramedia
 

I'm headed to Guadalajara/ Tlaquepaque on Monday. I'm doing a total language immersion for three weeks, and will take side trips to Manzanillo, Puerto Vallarta and Tequila. Sortilegio is my fourth full telenovela. Destilando Amor was my first.

This website has helped enormously with my Spanish. Thank you recappers.

While there, I intend to seek out the special tree where Rodrigo y Gaviota fell in love. Can you blame me?
 

Thanks to the recappers and everyone who commented. I have learned a great deal from these especially on the cultural background. This has been much better than this mediocre telenovela.

For Thanksgiving last year, I booked a long weekend in Cancun - then then decided the beach/touristy scene wasn't for me. I managed to go on some wonderful day trips to Chichen Itza and Tulum. I was totally blown away by the achievements of the Maya. I grew up in South Africa and thought I knew something about world history. I realized I knew little about Central America. So in November I am going on a tour called the Route of the Maya that will take me to El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and Belize.

Thanks to all for helping me increase my knowledge of the culture.

Lynne
 

Wow 164 comments! It took me an hour to catch up lol.

Elna, you're amazing! You mentioned something before about this oedipal relationship, haven't you? But you went all out today and that was great. :) bravo.

Anon, your comparison was worth the wait and much appreciated. Makes me want to watch the original.

Jarocha, thanks for constantly sharing what you know with us. Btw, WL is playing a major role or minor role in Cuna de Lobos remake?

Ibarramedia, I love Law and Order too. Do you watch House? It's awesome.

Novelera, I missed when Bruno said the thing about kidnapping Tony! How desperate was he that he actually asked Victoria to let him do that. Over Alex's dead body. Thanks for bringing that up.

I've been thinking about Bruno, and like you all said, he was full of hate for Alex. It's kinda crazy how he was so convinced that Alex was the cause of all of his problems. I mean how many times did we hear him say "Alejandro me quitó todo!" or Alejandro made me what I am or whatever else. And it's wierd because Bruno can spit out a lie faster than i can think, but whenever he threw those words at Victoria, he meant them. I think he needed psychological help as a child because the guy was outrageously intimidated by Alex. He had some self esteem issues. I remember somewhere in the earlier episodes he asked MJ if she liked Alex because he looked better. Everything Alex had bothered Bruno. Looks, position, support, love. I can't help but think that he was not mentally stable.

Again, Elna your comments have outstanding depth to them and convince me more and more that Bruno had some sort of a complex.
 

I have not had a chance to read all the comments so sorry if this was discussed...but I am wondering whether the Mexican culture--as a whole-- is more forgiving than (North) American culture.
I have noted in so many of these telenovelas, that people who have behaved reprehensibly/unforgivably throughout much of the novel are given the benefit of the doubt, a second chance, wholly forgiven. . Certainly we all try to erase the hate and rancor we feel, but I have never seen it done to SUCH an extent and SO OFTEN as I have in these Mexican novelas.
 

Sandy i'll be here waiting to discuss with you your pov.

Cielo de Levy thanks it's been fun gaining a brand new friend and lover of CCEA too most importantly our novio William Levy.

Elna June i said it before this unhealthy attachment Vicki had for Bruno and Bruno kept insisting she never loved him like she did Alex. I picked it up way early in the story but i kept wracking my brain to put a proper name on it.

Well my friend you did so today and thank you, from the opening sequence we saw it on display for 95 episodes.

To the underlying subtle little hints that surface from time to time with both of them. When i recall the first version of this there it was again on display too.

I don't know if a lot of people ever really picked up on that little nuance or the thought was too perverse for them to think it through with further contemplation.

I guess some people see things or hear things differently than others.
 

I enjoyed this novela more than many others I have seen over the years, mainly because we had a chance to witness the love between Alex and MJ for a huge chunk of the episodes.....There wasn't this ridiculous weeks of waiting and being frustrated as heck from relentless misunderstandings. I think this was a very wise choice on the part of Carla.

AND, I TOO wish to thank all of you phenomenal recappers for your time, effort, humor, and perspicacity! (And..thanks to.this fabulous eclectic group of commenters as well) This blog is such great therapy. I LOVE IT!
 

Anon, my twin, really enjoyed your company too! You sure you don't wanna stay for CS?! You'll be missed. But I will look out for you on the WL squidoo page. :)
 

Cielo de Levy i will be reading the recaps and the comments of CS i might comment on it but i definitely won't be watching it. I went over to Telemundo tonight to watch Perro Amor that will be my 9:00 novela for now.

I'm watching ENDA to the end and i'll check out Mi Pecado with Maite to see if it's good.

Don't worry we'll keep in touch, humor is all so good for the soul and i have a suspicion that i will be reading a lot of funny recaps and comments once CS starts.

I wonder how long we have to wait until William's next novela starts to air,and also if they are going to only show it on the weekends like they had planned in the beginning of this.
 

Great, Anon! Wouldn't be the same without you here. :) When does Mi Pecado start? I might check that one out too. And I am sooo curious about WL's next. Can't find too much info on it.
 

Cielo de Levy Mi Pecado starts when ENDA ends in March we only have 13 episodes left to go with that one. I will miss it also very good well written novela i recommend it.
 

Thanks, Anon. I'll probably try watching some more novelas in summer. I'll putt ENDA at the top of the list of ones to get.
 

A lot of people here have mentioned that the tn left a lot of loose ends. I’m not sure what they all are, because the only one I see is Eric (and his cousin) being allowed to get off scot-free and with the money. This means there was no punishment for his involvement with the attempted murder of Alex and the kidnapping of Meche and Gabe (I don’t care that he killed one of Mateo’s buddy). I really would have liked to have seen him hunted down and arrested in the finale.

As for the other stuff:
-The Judge/Fake Marriage: MJ and Alex are married for real, three times over now. As someone else mentioned, the disappearance of the judge is an issue for the Dominican police, not the Mexican police. Katia can easily reveal to everyone that Bruno went to the DR in search of the judge, and that although he told her he had nothing to do with the judge’s disappearance, she did not believe him and it’s easy to conclude he did it. Bruno is dead. Case closed.
- The Rape/Mario Aguirre: Mateo and buddies are dead. Maura is in jail and likely fessed up to all and to Bruno’s involvement. Bruno is dead. Case closed.
- The Murder of Useless: Elena likely gave up the info on that and told the police of Bruno murdering Useless. Elena is in jail. Jorge and Bruno are dead. Case closed.
- The Kidnapping of MJ: Elena and Maura confessed. Both are in jail. Jorge and Bruno are dead. Case closed.
- The fake car accident/framing Paula: Meche and Gabe confessed all about Bruno and Eric’s involvement and this was solved a long time ago.
-The attempted murder of Fernando: Mateo and buddies are now dead. See above about Maura’s confessions. Case closed.

What I would have like to have seen more of is the personal interaction between characters as they reached resolution and got on with their lives. For example, in that brief conversation between Paula and Gabe when she confesses that she actually does care about him, why couldn’t they expand that further by having her say: “Look Gabe. You’re a good man, and I care about you. But I’m afraid of us becoming like my mom and dad. I’ve realized some things about myself by looking at the woman my mother became. I have some of those same tendencies. I don’t want to end up like that, and I don’t want to hurt you. So, I’ve got to work on some things. I’ve learned that I’ve got to learn to give more importance to the little things in life, and less importance to material things.” Even if she still accepted him, I would have liked to have seen her make that connection in her mind between her and Elena’s nature and to consciously make a choice to be different.

In the conversation that Vicky had with Fer when he said you can’t think for me or make my decisions for me, I would have liked for her to follow up with a genuine aha moment and say, “You’re right. I’m sorry I have been doing that. You are a grown man, who can make your own decisions, and I have been depriving you of that right.” I wouldn’t have minded some scenes of the building of the new beach house; scenes of MJ, Alex and Tony enjoying peaceful time together as a family; MJ, Vicky and Fer working on the indigenous project and community center (now funded by MJ); Katia moving to Toluca to live with Emiliano, finishing her last year of high school and learning to love other animals like those beautiful horses on the ranches there as she applies to vet school; Roberto and Raq moving towards a romantic relationship again; and a real scene of the babies being baptized. Maybe it would have turned into a big, gooey, two hour mess, but it would have left me feeling more satisfied. And of course I would have left that hot love scene at the end just where it is- the cherry on top. :)
 

Cielo, I don't watch house. Too much tv viewing already and the CSIs,Law and orders alone take up the whole week pretty much, not counting the TNs here.:)


Vivi, That is what I was saying all along. I did not focus on the others because it was case closed.

Thsat is why I kept talking about Erik unaccounted for his crimes.

This Oedipus Rex between Victoria and Bruno makes for an interesting case study indeed. I may have stated that months ago before I disappeared from commenting....

Ibarramedia
 

Thanks for all the kudos from those of you who have enjoyed my comments throughout the novela. Like I said, previously I'll be dropping in from time to time to read recaps and comment on the comments. Call me hung up on age, but I can't bear to watch such stupidy as a 50 year old playing someone 30.
 

Anon 9:59am are you watching any other novelas?
 

Good morning!

Anon and Jarocha, loved the comparison between Tu O Nadie and Sorti...there were so many important differences, but to me the most significant was that in the original the Bruno character actually had feelings for the MJ character. If they had put that dimension in Sorti, it would have made Bruno a more nuanced character. Anon, loved your comment about the villains out doing the villains, that was so true. It is not often that viewerville has so many terrible villains in one novela to chose from! Thanks to you both for your insightful analysis.

Vivi, to your comments on the couples. I think you made many valid points. The writers went to the trouble of laying the groundwork for us to think that Roberto and Raquel would succeed, good. On MJ and Alex, at first, realistically, I worried that when they were a real couple, if family problems arose, she might lapse back into her protection mode jeopardize her relationship with Alex. I have no worry about that now. She was very firm with her mom, even stern at times thereby putting Alex and Little Tony first. If Elena is truly remorseful and no longer a threat, then have a relationship with her, I have no problem with that. They will be fine. On Paula, as others have pointed out, she has a little of the materialistic Elena in her, but the difference is that Paula will work to meet her goals, not just leach off guys. Also, I noticed that she had a great relationship with the other IT guys a Lombardo, she’ll get ahead. While Gabe isn’t a Lombardo, he is becoming a famous artist..she can bask in his glory. Also, the Lombardos have the social standing that comes with money...Gabe will have the type of fame that will require magazine articles, museum openings in DF, galas, time in the spotlight, Paula will love that! Maybe,just maybe they will be OK. I totally agree with your comments on Fer and Vicky..nothing left to be said. I just wonder why they put that heavy backpack on him because he was really huffing and puffing as he ran up the beach for his 100th proposal...took away form the “romance” of the scene!!!

Twins Anon and Cielo, don’t you need an “Aunt” to take along for all the fun! I know someone who can fill that position!

Oldgal, hope you are feeling better and so glad you are with us!

This month's Architectural Digest features "Jen's" house, you might like it. The house if very masculine.
 

Iberra...my Architectural Digest comment above is meant for you!!!!
 

Sandy ask any question you have i'm here waiting.
 

"Call me hung up on age, but I can't bear to watch such stupidy as a 50 year old playing someone 30."
Anon 9:59. I agree, but if we ruled out all TNs with actors playing age-inappropriate roles, we might have had to rule out Sortilegio, since the person playing 17-year-old Katia will be 31 in a few months. I guess the difference is that she's not playing the major role.
 

But Katya really looks like a kid though. Yanez can't get away with it too much if he is playing a 20 something. 30 something more believable. Laura Flores is supposed to be his mother and in real life he is probably 8-10 years older than her. Or at least older than her.


Ibarramedia
 

Hi everybody! I posted a new discussion this morning but if you would all rather just continue on here it is up to you. It's not tagged so it might not show up in the usual spot. Sorry for the confusion. 8(:)
 

Sandy, Were you talking about this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1248833/Cover-girl-difference-Jen-Aniston-reveals-Architectural-Digest-shes-renovated-Brad-Pitt-life.html

I checked it out online, I may pick up a hard copy. Thanks for posting that. I like Jen a lot. Maybe I can hook up with her.



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Jarocha, do you have a link or a website to the old military school that is now a museum?


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Thanks for the redirect to the new comments section for today Connie.
 

Anon

I do have a question, how do you compare the acting ability of the two different Bruno villains TON vs Sorti? Also, the same question for the actresses playing the MJ role. I think you said that JB did and OK kind of a job and I agree, how did the other "MJ" do?
 

Sandy night and day Salvador as Max in Tu O' Nadie was a veteran an well experienced actor who could run circles around David Zepeda's Bruno.

Max was more believable his eyes didn't shift he wasn't wearing those stupid scarfs like Bruno. He didn't really need to always get physical but he would if he had too.When it came to Raquel she was his weakness, to me he even wanted her more than the inheritance and he most definitely didn't want Antonio to have her.

While Bruno was all about the inheritance and the Presidency, do remember after Alex brought MJ back to Lombardo's casa and she had recovered from her stab wound.
Vicki, Felipa and MJ were discussing Bruno at first MJ was hesitant but Vicki told her go ahead tell me honestly what you think about my son.

MJ replied he uses people to get what he wants and then he discards them when he has no more use for them. That description aptly describe this version of Bruno. MJ was a possession not someone he really fell in love with. Carla and the original writer missed the boat on this big time.

Now i ask you if Bruno's plans had gone like he wanted how long do you he would've kept MJ around after he got what he wanted.

Which would Bruno choose MJ or the inheritance with the Presidency.
 

The difference between MJ played by Jackie B. and Raquel played by Lucia Mendez.


Raquel was like me and Jarocha said more lower middle class, more fiesty and had more spunk and not a pushover or doormat like MJ was.She didn't like or continue to accept the put downs and rude behavior and talk from Camila and Maura. She recognized quickly that Maura wanted Antonio back and let her have a few choice words about it.

As for Camila she once smacked the taste out of her rude mouth for talking badly her and her family.

While MJ was intimidated and scared of Raqhell and her nastiness and while MJ realized that Maura wanted Alex back she didn't confront her she kept complaining to Alex.

Both had a strong sense of family and had the role of being the mother figure and protector of their families.

Lucia Mendez as Raquel was just so much more believable being thrown into atmosphere of the utlra rich, not exactly comfortable with the situation and having a family with a father who is constantly drunk and materialistic bratty younger sister.

The man you supposedly fell in love with isn't who you thought he was and then he tells you of his plan to marry you with his real name and the name he used was of his brother who just died.

There's was one scene when Raquel flash backed to the time she met Max posing as Antonio so you could tell she did care for him too at one point until this insane plot of his was presented to her.

I never got the feeling that after MJ found out about Bruno and being smacked around by him she never really any fond memories of him. Another detail missed by the orignal writer.

Lucia Mendez was a experienced actress and singer her portrayal just nail it.Acting if you're very good or excellent you can capture the emotion of the moment in that scene easily not straining overacting or underacting the part or role.

Lucia did it like that and Jackie B. had her moments but they were few and far between for me.
 

Sandy also David did do a very good job as Bruno but being the main villain in the novela, i was more scared of Maura, Elena and Dr. Demented than i was of him. As was said i think around episodes 40-50 he was coming across as cartoonish which is true.

I blamed this on how he was written and directed, in Tu O' Nadie you never had a doubt who the main villain was and how evil and dangerous he was.

I still give David Zepeda a lot of credit and improving his acting too.
 

Wait. Anon are you in Mexico too like Jarocha?


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Sandy, my mother in TN, of course we must have you! :)

Anon, about Bruno..I don't think he really loved MJ. He may or may not have picked her over the presidency though. He has a big ego, and he'd take whatever he felt made him better than Alex, which I repeat, I don't think is for love. Everything is about feeling more powerful.
 

No i'm in Jersey and i grew up on novelas i took spanish for eight years in school and fell in love with the language and i have many latino friends and my best friend from college who i consider like a sister is Puerto Rican.

I have had a great love affair with novelas for awhile when my schedule was so busy i stop watching them and now that i have comeback into watching and following them i'm very disappointed with the lazy non creativity of the producers and head of the networks.

Who keep recycling and not producing new original novelas.

I was always had the Telemundo and Univision channel on our TV even before we all had to transfer to the digital signal that's why i was very surprised when several people said they couldn't get the Telemundo channel without having cable or paying for it as a premium channel.

Unbelievable what a racket cable is but i have grown a great love for novela over american soap which i grew up on first because there is a beginning, a middle and a end.

I don't mind the weddings and the forgiveness but let's be more realistic with how all us would really deal these kind situations in real life instead of always trying to put a happy spin on it.

This where i still like american soaps because there is a realism of everyday life and struggles from the family to the relationship of friends and co-workers and how we as humans.

Are not saints and angels and it;s not put snuggly and warmly in box tied up with a nice pretty bow.
 

Sorry, I am fed up to the eye teeth reading the names of characters in the prior version of the novela I just watched. What needed to be said about that could have been said in a few, well-written paragraphs.

And I agree with the Monday morning quarterback comment. If you don't like the production of this version of the story, stop watching. It's boring and repetitive reading over and over what's wrong with the actors, the scenery, and that it suffers in comparison to something nearly all of us have never seen.

Since the person who posted all of this doesn't see fit to use an identifying name, I won't either.
 

Cielo de Levy you're right and wrong, Bruno loved power and the his rightful place as the head of the Lombardo's and the Presidency. yes he never loved MJ but i still believe he would have chosen that over MJ because everything really for him centered around that.

Knowing Bruno he would in someway try to still take MJ away from Alex after he got the presidency anyway like you said to hurt Alex.

Juanita i would like to respond to what you said earlier and the other anon while agree with that anon the biggest turnoff for me.Is another remake and who's producing it.

I remeber the first time i saw Eduardo Yanez in Dulce Desafio with a young Adela Noriega i think she could have been a teenager too at the time. Angelica Rivera very young, who he later starred with in Destilando de Amor isn't it. Ana Patricia Rojo from CCEA Estafania and i think Chantel Andere was also in it.

I saw Big Ed then in Yo Compro esa Mujer with Leticia Calderon La Loca from ENDA. He had another good one Edith Gonzalez he played a detective then another of my all time favorites Guadalupe with once again Adela Noriega.

Compare Eduardo to ballplayers in sports when a team has a experienced but old veteran then they have a young new upstart rookie who maybe can replace him but the team is afraid of the unknown and trust more in what the proven veteran can give them even if their skills or on thedecline.

They would rather sign a old guy to a multiple year contract than trust an unproven rookie or barely wet behind his ears player.

I can't blame the player who in their right mind would pass up that kind of money? I blame the Gm and the owners.

Basically i'm blaming the producers and the networks for not giving the younger writers, and actors more of a chance to take on these roles then the old but proven veterans.Give others a chance what would have happen if William was never given a chance to star in CCEA? Probably we would not have had Sortilegio like it was.
 

yet anon 1:39 you still took the time to read these not well written post so what does that say about your maturity and who cares whether you like them or not Monday morning quaterback away aren't you doing the samething.

Don't get upset because i have always used Anon my choice free country and all, well before this learn how to skip over those post that annoy you if anyone wants me to continue to compare the two version i will too bad and all so sad your immaturity can't accept others don't feel like you do.Move on.
 

Other countries try to cast popular young actors that will draw a lot of viewership and fans. Examples could be Maite Perrone, Anahi, Allison Lozano,Don't know much about the guys. Maybe Aaron Diaz or that Emiliano dude and his look alike from Guapos Eugenio Siler I think is his Name.

So those guys could play the Yanez role and still be age appropriate. I guess it is easier to play an older person when you are younger. The special effects crew and make up artists can conjure up some prosthetics, wrinkles and grey hair.




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Anon, I agree, Elena was the coldest and most evil of the villains. The best novela actress of all times is Sylvia N...I'd hate to be in a scene with her!

On JB in general,  I think she did a credible job with MJ.  I do think others in the novela have more innate talent.  One of the few times JB seemed to tear up naturally was during the boda, I wondered if it was because in real life she broke up with someone she was engaged to( gathered that from the previews of the Christina show!). It doesn't make any difference, we'll never know.  After seeing so many glycerin tears, I was surprised by real
ones.   I have learned that there is a big difference in watching a program on a bigger TV with HD as opposed to what I usually use, a small one
with no HD...things like glycerin tears really show up magnified in HD!!!

If I saw that JB was starring in another novela, I'd tune in!
 

Sandy i didn't like JB in this novela but i did like her in Heridas de Amor and even Tontas although her role was annoying. I will say her love scenes with William were really good no complaints there at all.

Right now i'm watching Gorda y Flaca and they just showed her and she looks lovely. They showed William who looks hot in his shiny black suit, i just caught a glimpse of Gabriel Soto.
 

Sandy, to me Jorge and Bruno were the most evil villains in this TN.
Jorge alone just had this really creepy vibe. It's all good, we don't have to agree all the time. :) Thanks for the article.



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