Tuesday, January 11, 2011
La Verdad Oculta #080: Juan José presents Roberto a convincing argument
Roberto swears to Leonardo he never asked any favors of Adolfo and lies he didn't even like the trefoil ring, supposedly a gift to a New York friend he's traveling to see. Leonardo releases him with a prohibition of leaving the country, and Ramón assures Leonardo his apartment will be watched and photographed.
Leonardo notes Roberto failed to hide his nerves and will try to flee; he didn't discuss Roberto's blackmail of David, not wanting Santiago's double identity to come out yet. Leonardo charges Ramón with questioning both of David's security teams and surprises him with news of the tunnel Adolfo might have used to enter.
In his condo office, Adolfo confides to Zaida the smuggling advantages to a Puerto Vallarta investment and charges her to feign business as usual with Medina and actually increase their stake to also deflect suspicion of Garnica's murder. Adolfo orders Zaida to cozy up to Juan José, which prospect enthuses her.
Bertha barges in, and the two blondes size each other up -- Zaida patronizing and Bertha aggressive. Zaida exits and Bertha anxiously presents Adolfo an official letter demanding her deposition regarding Adolfo's alibi during the time period David has charged him with assault.
At the hospital, David has filled Juan José in on all the details he needs to convince Roberto to keep his mouth shut about Mario's impostor and save the family fortune; which Juan José is happy to do, especially for Alejandra. David is grateful and glad Juan José's her boyfriend.
When Leonardo wonders to Ramón at the AFI how Garnica learned Juan José was wealthy, he phones Mauricio just to confirm it wasn't through him and that Garnica would have discovered it elsewhere. Thereto, Leonardo plans a little visit to the prison tomorrow in regard to Garnica's client, Pedro Cordero.
Roberto returns home, hawked and photographed by the police stake out. Inside he tries and fails to reach Adolfo by phone. Moments later after also being photographed in the parking lot, Juan José bursts into Roberto's apartment and roughs up the puss bucket who framed him for murder.
Juan José assures him there will be payback for that, but explains his present visit. They know Roberto is connected to Susana and Adolfo's smuggling. They won't inform the authorities about it if he keeps quiet about Mario's impostor and returns the infamous cuff link.
This last gives Roberto a fit of laughter, setting Juan José off on a violent search himself. Throwing Roberto over the sofa to the floor and ripping his clothes roughly, he encounters nothing until riffling through the luggage uncovers Susana's phone number. Injured Roberto can only roll on the floor and moan after a swift kick goodbye.
Bertha visits Carlos at home, worried about the coming deposition; and he advises her against perjuring herself. He's confident his dad assaulted David and that he masterminded the shooting, too; Carlos is sure missing Félix was one of the dead. He finally confirms he is not a smuggler and urges her to heed his warning.
Juan José visits Alejandra at Mario's to report on David's mission for him. As he's listing all Roberto's reprehensible acts, he wonders if Alejandra never noticed all that; and mortified, she must admit Roberto was her boyfriend. Incredulous and disgusted, Juan José exits immediately, leaving Alejandra distraught.
Outside Ramón pulls up and informs Édgar he wants depositions from both security teams on how someone could have assaulted David when they were supposedly on guard. Across the way, already in a black mood, Juan José arrives home to find Elsa with guardianship papers and a new name for Caramelo, neither pleasing him.
"María del Carmen Rivera" -- Elsa's surname! Asunción burst into tears and fled the house, she explains. Juan José drops into a chair bemoaning he's only brought bad luck to his friend and stubbornly yells at Elsa for taking Caramelo away, which moves Elsa to note he blames her for everything since she's been with Mauricio!
She's just informing him they're going to be married, when Caramelo enters very excited that Elsa is her mother. In bidding a tearful goodbye to her, Juan José makes Caramelo promise to call Asunción every day; she's not worried, planning to see him every day and Juan José often, too.
After Elsa exits with Caramelo, distraught Juan José sobs over yet another loss in his life and slides off the chair -- down, down onto the floor, where he weeps piteously. At the hospital, Doris explains to David his physical therapy starts tomorrow; and he with a twinkle in his eye that Gabriela is busy at work at the hotel.
At Dora's exit, "Mario" and Abelardo enter to learn with surprise of Gabriela's employment and David's confidence in her and her excellent tutor, whom Abelardo well knows. David also relates his mission for Juan José to threaten Roberto about Susana, Adolfo's smuggling and the maid's death in exchange for his silence.
They are concerned about sending a probationer on such a mission, but David contends Juan José is determined to expose his framers -- and David trusts him, he says; he's a good man. And David's sure Juan José put a scare in Roberto yesterday.
At Elsa's, Caramelo is enthusing about her new name and status when Mauricio enters with a big hug to take her to school. After Caramelo exits to brush her teeth, Elsa happily kisses and embraces Mauricio as she enjoys her new role as mother, noting that for the moment Caramelo is not missing Asunción.
Elsa regrets how hard it was on him; but Mauricio points out little by little Caramelo will adopt her new life, seeing Asunción less and less. And he urges Elsa not to particularly encourage their visits, as Asunción will always be attached to Juan José; and it's better if Elsa moves on from her connection to him.
This is a depressing subject for Elsa, though; and when Mauricio wants to set next month as a wedding date, Elsa demurs contending it's still too soon. Patient Mauricio makes her smile, allowing her to take what time she needs.
He will help her find a larger apartment temporarily until they are married, making Elsa feel warm and declare how good he is; but Mauricio just claims he's a man in love. When Caramelo reappears, Mauricio smiles but then takes pause at her assumption he will be her new dad -- since Elsa and Juan José are mad at each other.
At the studio, Mina calls absent Alejandra over missing an appointment and learns she's in bed, distressed and frantic about yet another break with Juan José. Meanwhile on the street near Mario's, traitor Édgar meets Adolfo and reports his plan to poison "Mario's" nightcap with cyanide.
Adolfo approves and notes it could appear a dying man committed suicide, warning to leave no trace. Back in Alejandra's room, she sobs out her wretched situation with Juan José and is afraid even if she begs forgiveness for her ridiculous mistake, he will say awful things to her -- that she agrees she deserves!
At the hotel, Rubina tutors Gabriela about the 20 hotels in Campo Real's chain, getting a tour of all the facilities of a major world-class property. He gives her an armload of workbooks for every aspect of the business, and she looks to be enthused and ready.
When Adolfo visits Roberto, Roberto explains he tried to warn him the apartment was being watched; and they agree to claim Adolfo was seeking Carlos's whereabouts. Roberto's sure the police suspect him of something; and when Adolfo demands the shoes, he has to explain he doesn't have them; that it were Susana who contacted him, not vice versa.
He presents a run-down of events, including that Susana could spill everything if she's picked up and that David & Co. know about her and Marcos and Roberto, except for the reason he rented the truck. Juan José threatened to connect Roberto to Susana -- unless he remained silent on something he knows about David's father.
Roberto promises momentously that tomorrow he will reveal a surprising secret about Mario Genovés!
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Meanwhile, here are the You Tube links for Episode 80:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Great, another break-up. I didn't expect that, though I should've known that the Rob/Ale relationship was a time bomb waiting for to explode.
I liked that JJ beat Roberto up because he deserved it, however, he forgot again he's been released conditionally.
he urges Elsa not to particularly encourage their visits, as Asunción will always be attached to Juan José; and it's better if Elsa moves on from her connection to him
Jerk alert.
Mauricio, don't pretend it's about Caramelo, because it's all about you, Elsa and JJ. It's understandable that you can't stand JJ because he treated you and Elsa like dirt, and you know they can't be in the same room at the same time. But you want to take a child away from her uncle/father/mother because Asunción is JJ's best buddy and you're afraid that your comfortable middle-class life and your perfect family would be ruined by his regular visits? Wow.
Fortunately Elsa didn't agree with him.
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Estrada offered a role to EY in her next (supposedly historical) telenovela but he said no, thanks, after CS he has to pick his roles more carefully. I was disappointed because and Estrada-EY show was my secret dream, but since Pasión and Sortilegio actors don't want to work with Carla desperately anymore.
What did Mauricio say to Elsa, not to have to much to do with Asuncion and JJ. Oh Mauricio I am so disappointed in you. Just hope that Elsa doesn't bend under pressure from Mauricio and does keep lots of contact going on between Caramelo, Asuncion and JJ. I was trying to work out if he was happy with what Caramelo said, if he would be the daddy when in her new family, or does he just want to be the favourite uncle, hmmm.
So it seems that Roberto still wants to be on team Adolfo and wants to spill the beans about the fake Mario. Obviously the beating he got from JJ didn't impress him too much.
Margaret
Now that they're engaged, he has some rights; and I'm glad to see him assert himself, unlike some milquetoast.
Knowing him, if Caramelo were unhappy and pining for Asunción, Mauricio would definitely want her to be happy.
But Caramelo is ECSTATIC. Let's face that. There is no getting around it. It's fine to let her set the rudder on this, which belongs to her.
As long as she's happy, Mauricio is absolutely right: she will enjoy her new status, her new name, her new friends, her new parent.
I wonder if Ale and JJ will get over this breakup or is her past too much for him to deal with.
I know you all might think I'm silly but I still feel JJ and Elsa will get together. He was really devastated learning of Ale's association with Roberto.
Ann-NYC
Elsa is the one who has to distance herself from JJ, not Caramelo. If a man wants an own daughter then he should chose someone who doesn't have relatives who love and want her. I wonder what would Mauricio say if Asunción didn't live in JJ's house and had his own life.
Oh please, Asunción learn how to read as soon as possible.
He saved a baby from the trash bin, but then sequestered her in a shadow underworld where she was robbed of human status and the rights she was due. That's selfish.
I can see he's in pain, but he did a wrong thing a long time ago and kept doing it.
Caramelo's new status is not a toy; it's clearly something she's always yearned for.
Is this going to be Asunción's payment for keeping the baby instead of giving her to the police?
In my opinion her social status is just a shiny new toy now from her point of view. I'm curious what will happen when she finally realizes she can't have everything (mommy Elsa, daddy Mauricio, daddy Juan José and uncle Asunción) at the same time. Will she be that ecstatic? Was it just a dream about a perfect Pleasantville family that doesn't worth much without Asunción (and JJ)? Or will she quickly forget the old man? I'm sure she could forget him in time. But the original question was: is it necessary to forget him? No, I don't think so.
As you've mentioned the Caramelo situation is a mess but for the time being she seems happy.
Bertha has gone to Carlos for advice. Carlos told her he thinks his dad tried to kill David. He's telling her his dad is a dangerous man. I think her conscience is still not bothering her or even Adolfo so much, just her fear of going to jail for giving false testimony. She still doesn't seem redemption worthy like Carlos who's seeking self help with the therapist and who draws the line at dishonesty at least in his work life.
I guess we are two thirds through now at 80/120. The pace has slowed a bit but we still have Susana and Garnica missing, Mario's attempted murder, David's recovery and will Dora ever talk. Will Leo continue be our hero and solve everything and put the bad guys away?
GinCA
He deserves what's happening to him for robbing Caramelo of legal status. Homeless people are allowed to abduct pets, not people. There's nothing wrong with the logic of this storyline.
Her status is not a toy to Caramelo. It's something natural a kid would want -- and not for 15 minutes on Christmas. She's taking to it like a duck to water; her new name, her mom, Mauricio as dad, if not Juan José.
She doesn't have to forget Asunción; and as I said, if she doesn't want to, Mauricio will not be the guy to insist on it, that's for sure. The guy who calls people a pain in the ass is Juan José, not Mauricio.
Now that they are engaged, it's Mauricio's responsibility to stick up for the quality of their relationship. I'm glad to see him attending to it.
GinCa, yeah, Bertha is problematic. I don't if they are trying to rehabilitate her; but they seem to be flirting with it.
I didn't see this but felt as though I missed nothing - your narrative was superb ("...drops into a chair bemoaning" and "Incredulous and disgusted, Juan José exits immediately, leaving Alejandra distraught".) Marvelous.
It's hard to see Caramelo's family be ripped assunder but, she is delighted to have the mother her heart has always sought. I do think there is never harm having those who love you close by and hope that she is able to continue her relationship with the rest of her "family".
How can we blame Juan for cringing at the thought of Ale with Roberto?? We certainly did :) Really, whatever was the attraction?
So Bertha now has a life altering decision to make. Will she continue to cover for Adolfo or will she heed Carlos' advice?
Aribeth, I am so disappointed EY won't be working with Carla Estrada. I know I'm in the minority but Pasion continues to be one of my favorites.
Jeri, thank you, thank you!
Diana
He's played by the awesome Fabián Robles! :)))
Okay, JJ's reaction is understandable, but come on, Roberto didn't start the relationship with a "Hi, Alejandra. I'm Roberto, and I'm a psychopath who killed a woman and framed your future onetruelove". Even Julieta found him funny and attractive.
Weighing in on the custody change, I don’t blame Mauricio for wanting to rid himself of JJ and thereby Limon. If you notice in today’s conflict, we have Elsa and Cara in the apartment having a great morning. Enters Mauricio and they have a discussion in which he suggests that contact with Limon be limited or even quelled. While Elsa doesn’t agree with Mauricio, they have a mature discussion each giving a slightly differing viewpoint UNTIL JJ’s name is mentioned at which time Elsa drains all the happiness out of the room by going over and frumping down on the sofa. Mauricio knows good and well that the “whatever it is” between JJ and Elsa is an ongoing problem and I don’t blame him for trying to distance himself from it. Normal people avoid conflict and will take the path of least resistance every time. Poor Limon is just collateral damage because of JJ and Elsa. Even Cara sees big issues between the two former friends. I really put most of the blame on JJ, after the letter that he wrote which was wonderful, in my humble opinion, lately he has been the more difficult of the two. I’m not saying that what Mauricio is trying to do is right, it is just understandable. I do think that Elsa will rise to the occasion and encourage the relationship between Limon and Cara though.
So, what’s the problem?
The problem is 6'3" tall, weighs approximately 220 lbs, has curly hair, a big heart and a skull filled with socks.
Love it, love it, love it!!!!
Margaret
Fabián is certainly a chameleon. He's played a variety of roles and while the actor is hot, see nothing in Roberto's character that would charm Ale and Juli, smart and lovely women. To me the character has always veered just slightly to the left of sleezy. He is good however at gently insinuating himself in people's lives which is what he was doing to Ale until she released his hold.
Diana
He said it was incredible that she hooked up with that particular one.
It is still unfair to Alejandra, though, as others pointed out. How was she to know Roberto was a murderer and a framer -- of the guy she would fall in love with.
Just very bad coincidence. The present consequences are making her admittedly lukewarm, rather casual choice of him look worse in hind sight.
Juan José will come around after she talks to him a few million times probably. And maybe somebody else, too. Mina offered to talk to him.
I don't think Mau will push distancing Caramelo from Limon. I understand his reasons for bringing it up. But he's not a stubborn, insensitive guy. Seeing Elsa's reservations about doing that, and eventually seeing for himself how important Limon is to Caramelo, I think will dispel any of those thoughts. But what is clear to him, Caramelo, all of us in Viewerville, and everyone else, is that JJ and Elsa need to get themselves together and make a final and lasting peace with each other. Mau’s smile and gentle face caress to Caramelo after she asked if he was going to be her new daddy was sweet. How do you answer that? It's a landmine of a question, given the situation with JJ. The answer is so complex. "Yes, I want to be; Yes, if your Mama Elsa marries me; Yes, I may be one of your three daddies, and Limon and JJ would be the others..." His reassuring smile and affectionate gesture was the best he could do. He obviously cares about the little sprite.
I don't think JJ has any business getting upset that Ale dated Roberto. She didn't know he was a turd at the time, and she broke things off with him before they got serious. JJ should have laughed it off and said something like, "You really were moving up the food chain when you started dating an uneducated ex-con like me! You got lucky girl! Now let's make out and try to mutually forget that loser."
She already likes him; she said so at the beginning. I like them as a couple, too; if he can get over Elsa.
Then Elsa would be alone again, and Asunción could move in with her and Caramelo.
What Mauricio said verbatim last night when Elsa refused to set the wedding date for one month hence, was that he would give her a little more time, if she needs it.
I did get the impression that Mauricio would not wait around forever; as a level-headed guy, I could see that coming from him.
Elsa: Whether he wants to admit it or not, Elsa is JJ’s family. We can’t fight bitterly with family. We may not like them or agree with them on anything. Sometimes we may hate them. Many times they are not our friends. But we still love them. Having seen you grow, evolve, and change (and vice versa), they have a unique perspective of you that no one else in your life ever will. It helps keep you grounded. It’s something we should take the time to appreciate and respect. If these relationships can be saved, they should be.
Gabi: Gabi and JJ have a natural friendship. For some reason the universe sometimes puts people on our path that we just hit it off with right away. Sometimes, this can turn romantic if there is also a mutual attraction. But as friendships, these are some of the lowest maintenance relationships we will ever have in our lives. These are the type of friends that automatically feel like family (the good kind). People who share your perspective, make you feel good being with them, give you good advice or just listen, make you laugh or smile easily.
Ale: JJ and Ale are lovers, who have incredible chemistry. The reason why moving an amorous relationship towards marriage is so difficult is because this person, who is your lover, must also become your (best) friend and your family. That’s a LOT to ask of one person, and therefore it takes a LOT of work from both people. The best relationships/marriages manage to find a good balance between these three elements. We’ll see if Ale and JJ can make it work.
Vivi, your comments on Cara were spot on, I remember your recap title of a few weeks back in reference to her, “Why does everyone else have parents and I don’t.” The real ironic sadness in this is that JJ, through his incredible generosity: schools, clothes, birthday parties, put Elsa in a situation where she began to notice the differences in her “family” and the family of her friends. If she were still on the streets, she wouldn’t be making these comparisons and she wouldn’t have been noticed by the Mexican version of child services and therefore removed from JJ and Limon. I’m reminded of the expression, “No good deed goes unpunished.”
recap beautifully crafted as always. I read it immediately but had no time to post.
2. Aribeth, Jeri, & Vivi, you should all be champion debaters or
trial attorneys with your passionate, well-reasoned points of view.
3. Vivi, thanks for the explanation of "propio," it's what I had assumed, but could not find
it defined anywhere for over 2 years. Coincidentally, Abelardo
used the expression last nite when
Dora left the hospital room.
4. Re - Mauricio's remarks to Elsa with regard to Limón, I found them cold and heartless in contrast to his apparent generous nature heretofore seen. I understand that he is protecting his territory, but it could backfire; mostly I do not think he
is taking the high road here.
Limón admittedly should not have
hid the child; he should have taken her to the proper authorities;however, proper authorities sometimes make some hideous mistakes. Limón somehow
or other managed to instill good values in this beautiful child -
unlike Bertha's mother. It should be clearly understood that he will be a part of her life,regardless of the Elsa/JJ conflict which I believe will ultimately get resolved.
5. With respect to Limón learning
to read, I'm all for it. Literacy
has always been a high priority of
mine. Nevertheless, at this stage,
I see him more as becoming functionally literate - able to read signs - able to read the newspaper, possibly able to fill out forms, etc. His importance to
Caramelo, will not be because of his literacy skills but rather because of his undying love for her. He is a great storyteller and such skills are a delight to children. I envision Caramelo soaring to the heights on the literacy scale. Limón should be
there taking pride in her accomplishments as she excels in school, but I do not see him reading Tolstoy or Cervantes along with her as some parents do when
their children are in school - although he could probably come up
with some good discussions once he
knew the material. Perhaps, he could watch some of Isabel Allende's films and novelas.
I do feel that both Limón and JJ
need to attend Critical Thinking
classes so they can make better decisions. Part of becoming literate is to know how to avoid
being scammed by any type of propaganda.
6.Thanks to all who commented!
I thoroughly enjoyed the heated debate.
Enjoyed reading all the compelling comments.
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