Saturday, January 15, 2011
La Verdad Oculta 84: Adolfo Ávila is Behind EVERYTHING
Valentín has told his story of JJ stealing Garnica’s safe with the money and the map. The presence of two Goons With Guns, Belial (Dante) and Beelzebub (Adolfo) are enough to make him stick to that story (for now). Adolfo has the two goons leave, leaving him and Dante to further question Valentin. Adolfo thinks Valentin is lying through his teeth, even as he insists JJ came there with two of his own goons to rough him up and steal the safe. Adolfo wants a description of JJ, and Valentin gives a response that could describe a quarter of all the men in Mexico- dark hair, tall, nice looking. He gives a sigh of relief when Adolfo confirms to Dante that this description matches JJ. But Adolfo wonders what JJ could have been looking for- the money Garnica stole from him or the letter. Dante’s very interested in this stolen money, so Adolfo explains it’s the blackmail letter he spoke about. Dante looks even more interested.
After this brief distraction, Adolfo’s brain cells once again kick into overdrive. He tells Valentin he doesn’t believe a word he’s saying. He’s sure that once Valentin saw Garnica wasn’t coming back from Puerto Vallarta, he decided to keep the money and the letter for himself! Valentin thinks fast on his feet. He spoke to Garnica himself lately. Oh really?! Dante thinks Valentin must be an expert aquatic athlete (considering where he would have to go to talk to Garnica). Adolfo agrees. In fact, he thinks they’re going to have to make him a part of their aquatic team so that he can…continue practicing. But beforehand they’ll continue talking to him, so that Dante can retrieve his map and Adolfo his letter. They drag the poor idiot out. Knowing the jig is up, Valentin volunteers to give them back the money and the map. But he swears he does not have the letter. Garnica took it with him to Puerto Vallarta.
Juli and Paulita are in the Guillen living room having a mother-daughter chat. Juli asks Paula if she remembers her mother. Paulita was very little when she died in a car accident, but her dad has lots of photos and videos that Paula has been able to look at. Her grandparents were also murdered soon after, and shortly after that her dad left the ranch in Durango to become a police officer in Mexico City. Juli is shocked to hear about the murder of Paula’s grandparents, and surprised to realize Leo has money. She and Paula both wonder why he left the ranch to become a police officer in D.F.
Adolfo and Zaida are having lunch and he’s obviously just asked her to work with him and Dante. She’s ticked off. She doesn’t want anything to do with that guy! Adolfo commands her to sit down, because she doesn’t have much choice in the matter. With Garnica gone, she would be alone and unprotected without Adolfo. Now she’s got to work with Dante as part of this new order. She points out that it’s Dante’s fault she was in prison. Adolfo points out that Dante never wanted to kill her. Prison vs death. Zaida seems to accept the lesser of the two evils. Adolfo gives her his assignment—bring Dante in on the Puerto Vallarta deal with JJ. Speak of the Devil, in walks Belial himself!
Zaida stares at Dante with a mix of fear and hatred. Adolfo pretends they are in polite society and turns on the charm. “I believe you two know each other.” Indeed they do, and Dante thinks he owes the lady an explanation.
At Genoves Manor, the doctor is checking David as Dora looks on. It’s good news! David has been doing his physical therapy, with good results. He feels the tickle the doctor does on the soles of his feet, and he is able to wiggle his toes. With the continued therapy, and David’s excellent physical condition, the doctor predicts only more good things to come. Dora accompanies the doctor out happily. David immediately calls Gabi with the good news. She’s very happy to hear it and wants to be with him to celebrate, but she’ll be a while yet at work. She explains that she’s with Urbina and JJ, deep in hotel management learning.
After she hangs up and the three get back to work, an impactado Adolfo comes strolling in and wonders what the hell they’re doing there. JJ stands defiantly and wants to know what’s it to Adolfo (que te importa?). Well, Adolfo’s a partner in this business! Of course what goes on is important to him! He thought things were going badly with the business, and now he knows why (looking directly at Gabi). And what’s JJ doing here? Now Gabi stands up. JJ’s there because she wants him there, and David approves. Adolfo insults her by saying all she knows how to do is serve tables. JJ takes offence at his insulting the lady, but Adolfo doesn’t back down. And JJ better not dare lay a finger on him, or back to jail for him. Plus, they don’t have a shred of evidence against him! But he has the right to defend his interests. Mario is old and decrepit, and David’s an invalid, giving Adolfo the right to take over, which is what he intends to do. He orders them out. Gabi refuses, since it’s her husband’s business, but Urbina points out to them that Adolfo is an important partner in this business and urges them to go. JJ leaves with a threat to take Adolfo down, somehow, someway. Adolfo chuckles evilly, and tosses to the ground a framed photo of Mario from David’s desk.
At the prison, Leo speaks to Marcos, telling him they’ve found the diamonds and the money at Susana’s place, but no Susana. They want to know where she is because she could be in great danger. One of the people she had been associated with, Roberto Zarate, has been murdered. Marcos doesn’t know where she is, but swears he would tell them because he loves her and doesn’t want her to get hurt. Do they know who murdered this Roberto guy? Leo claims they don’t, but what does Marcos know of her association with him? All Marcos knows is that she had this photo of a woman, wearing the diamond shoes. Did Marcos know if Susana was going to sell the diamonds? Marcos explains that she was working as a servant in the Genoves home, and he advised her to sell the diamonds and leave the country, but she didn’t listen to him. Then she told him she had found this letter in the Genoves house and she was going to sell it, because it mentioned the names of some people guilty of a murder. Leo begins to line up all the puzzle pieces. He asks Marcos if Susana intended to sell the letter to Garnica. Marcos confirms this. Leo realizes the money they found in her apartment must have been from selling the letter to Garnica. He tells Marcos that Garnica has disappeared, is likely dead, and the letter is missing. If he knows something more, and he doesn’t want Susana to meet the same fate, he better cough up that info, now. All Marcos knows is what he advised her to do—sell the diamonds and leave the country. He knows nothing more and doesn’t know where she is. Since the money and diamonds are still in her apt, Leo knows she could not have left the country. He asks Marcos how many diamonds where left in the shoes; Marcos thinks around 20. Well, they found three in the butter, the shoes are still missing.
At JJ’s, Caramelo is now finally experiencing the pain of homesickness. Seems she wants it all. She wants her mommy Elsa, but she also desperately wants to stay there with Limon and Chicles and doesn’t want to return to her new home just yet. She cries, Limon cries, even Chicles cries! Limon tries to comfort her.
Things are a lot more cheerful across the way at Casa Genoves. David is sharing the good news of his recovery with Fausto. They expect him to eventually be back to normal. He shows Fausto how he can now move his toes. Gabi comes flying in, with JJ at her heels. Through angry tears she tells “Mario” and David what Adolfo just did. David is so angry he lifts himself up from his wheelchair! Gabi and JJ forget their anger for the moment to marvel at what David just did. David is more concerned about hearing exactly what went down with Adolfo. JJ explains. David is adamant that Adolfo has NO right to take over the presidency when he and his father rightfully hold that title. FaustiMario says he’ll go over there tomorrow to straighten things out, but the boys think immediate action is required. What Adolfo is trying to do is illegal, and Leo can help them. Plus, David says, they have evidence/proof against Adolfo. Gabi is confused, and wants to know what kind of proof they have. The men all give each other and Gabi guilty, nervous looks. She repeats the question and then wonders if they are going to keep hiding things from her. She repeats that she wants that talk with Mario and her dad, together!
At the Club, Leo waits for Carlos in his office. Carlos immediately starts denying any affiliation with any crime. Leo wonders if he’s sure. Carlos clarifies. He’s not involved with anything that has to do with smuggling. Leo wonders if he knows Roberto was murdered. He admits he does and it was Bertha who told him. And just because she is living with his dad does not mean that she’s involved in any way in Roberto’s death or anything else. Plus, they don’t even know how Roberto was killed. Leo reveals it was poisoning—juice destined for Mario. Carlos is impactado. He wonders how Roberto had access to the house, and Leo explains about the dirty security guard. They were both likely working for the same person. Leo sees Carlos’s ring and asks if he knew Roberto had one just like it. That’s news to Carlos—he never saw it. Leo wonders when last he saw Roberto. Carlos claims it was a while back when they happened to both be staying at the same hotel. Well, what if Leo told him that a jewel like that was the proof of a crime? That would be news to Carlos. They are interrupted when Leo’s cell phone rings. Carlos’s ears perk up when he hears Leo mention his father’s name. Once off the phone, Leo tells him his dad is up to his usual tricks, causing trouble. He urges Carlos not to lose or lose track of that ring, as it could be needed as evidence. Carlos promises to make it available to them and Leo runs out to help the Genoves with their Adolfo problem. Carlos immediately calls Yolanda to meet later that evening to talk.
JJ returns home to find a down in the dumps Limon. He wonders what they will do if they never find that letter. He also wonders if they can get Elsa to renounce adopting Caramelo. [Recapper interruption: And then what? Limon and JJ still couldn’t have her legally. Who was it that said these two guys need a course in critical thinking?] JJ thinks 8 years old is old enough to decide where you should live. He thinks perhaps Mauricio could convince Elsa to give up on the adoption, since he obviously knows how to handle her. Limon talks about how sad Caramelo was to leave. “Sure she loves Elsa, but she loves me more.” Our two big kids chuckle at this. Of course she does! JJ has it all planned out. They’re going to find the letter, JJ will adopt Caramelo, and she will come back to live there with them. It’s her home! If they don’t find the letter, then they will have to convince Dora somehow to change her mind.
JJ’s doorbell rings and it’s our favorite neighborhood long-legged, blond smuggler at the door. How did she find his address? She claims, Elvira, Elsa, whatever, gave it to her. (Really?) Limon makes himself scarce after being introduced. Zaida wants a whiskey before getting down to business. She ran into a friend of hers from NY, and he’s interested in investing in their Puerto Vallarta deal. JJ wonders if this new “friend” of hers is like her old one- that blackmailing scoundrel Garnica. Zaida feigns ignorance. JJ doesn’t know if he’s alive or dead. Zaida feigns ignorance. JJ points out that Garnica introduced her as a good friend. Zaida feigns ignorance, and pretends they just said that so that the others would accept her into the deal. How did they meet? Garnica found her. Dante Sevilla, the millionaire investor she just mentioned, was the one who spoke to him about her. She’s hurt that JJ doesn’t seem to trust her, and tries the seductive flirty approach to convince him of what a wonderful time they’ll have as partners. JJ partly playfully, but mostly deadly seriously, responds to her attempts at seduction with a long hard stare.
At the Guillen apartment, Faustiago, in Fausto mode, takes a call from Juli, who is watching Paulita across the hall at Leo’s. She’ll be there a while longer until she puts Paula to bed. Nope, Leo hasn’t arrived yet. Right after that, Leo arrives at Fausto’s door. He wants to know exactly what happened with Adolfo. Fausto explains. Leo doesn’t think Adolfo has a leg to stand on since David is still the head of the company’s board. All the same, they want Leo to accompany them to confront Adolfo. Leo thinks what they need is not him, but a lawyer to accompany them. Fausto explains they need him because of the fear he inspires in Adolfo. Leo can’t deny he has this particular skill, and agrees. They decide to meet at 11am the next morning. They say good night, and Leo returns home to the hugs of a sleepy Paula, and the kisses of a very awake Juli. “Hola guapo.” “Hola hermosa.”
Juli asks him what we’ve all been wondering for some time now. Why did he leave his ranch in Durango behind to become a D.F. cop? He realizes she’s been talking to Paula. He explains his motivation was a misfortune in his own family—his parents were murdered. Who did it? It was…Adolfo Avila, who was attempting to take his family’s assets/properties. He gets upset and tells Juli he can’t talk about it any more. Juli wanders if he hasn’t thought about leaving the police force. Indeed he has. He’ll leave the force and return to Durango when he marries her. This is music to Juli’s ears. That won’t happen until he’s resolved these problems that her family and the Genoves are having, but he thinks it will be soon. Juli blesses this plan with a few deep kisses.
Yolanda seems in deep thought about her life over breakfast, and she doesn’t seem to like what she’s concluding. Carlos arrives and she apologizes for not meeting him the evening before as she had promised, but she had a headache. He joins her at the table and asks why his father took the ring from him. She doesn’t know, and she didn’t know that Roberto had one just like it either. He shocks her with the news that Roberto is dead. She didn’t know? He explains about the poisoned juice meant for Mario. Yolanda tries to hold herself together after hearing there was yet another attempt on the life of her one true love, as Carlos explains that Roberto got what was coming to him. He was a no-good, who then associated himself with Adolfo. Carlos is sure his dad had something to do with his murder, and the ring also has something to do with it all. Leo told him that the ring is proof of some crime. Carlos wants to know if Yolanda would be put in danger if he gives the ring to the police. Yolanda resigns herself. She doesn’t want him to worry about her. She’s run the risk of getting hurt a long time and she’s tired now. Carlos urges her to get out of this life; there’s still time. Yolanda says she can’t. He begs her to tell him what it is that ties her to his father. “I can’t! I can never tell you! Never!” She runs from the table, leaving a worried Carlos calling after her.
At the Genoves Casa, David is finishing up physical therapy. Abelardo arrives and they speak about the good news of David’s rapid recovery. They then speak about the Adolfo situation and Leo accompanying FaustiMario to confront him. David wants Abelardo to go as well, since Fausto knows nothing of the business. David just wants them to make sure they stay firm on the question of the presidency. Leo arrives, looking sharp, and is greeted by Dora at the door. As usual, she is obviously not happy to see him, but he tells her he must speak to her seriously. She stands firm in her refusal, and her fear of more bad things happening. Leo understands, but if she testifies, all of this will end. He could force her to testify, but he doesn’t want to do that. He wants her to do it of her own free will. She walks away telling him she’ll inform the others of his arrival. The old men leave David’s room, and David asks Dora what’s wrong. She avoids the subject by speaking of the happy news of his standing up the evening before. Soon enough he’ll be walking, and she’ll be able to be much more at ease. David looks at her strangely and wonders what she means by that. [Me too. Does she mean that once he’s walking again she’ll go into hiding once more? Or does she just mean he’ll be better able to protect himself and won’t be as vulnerable?]
Ale descends the stairs and greets David, also happy with the good news of his improving health. He speaks about how well Gabi is doing learning the business, but that Adolfo is trying to take over the board presidency. He explains about the meeting that day, with Leo in attendance. Ale is worried about her sister living with that dangerous man. She knows she’s a pain, but she’s her sister. David agrees and tells Ale to ask her to come back to the house (I would ask Gabi about that first). Ale agrees with me. She thinks it best to avoid Bertha-Gabi problems by putting Bertha in an apartment. David offers to help her out. Ale thanks him, but refuses the financial help. Bertha is her sister, so she’ll pay for the apartment. David wants the update on her and JJ. “Mas o menos.” She explains about her recent revelation to JJ that she dated Roberto, and the problems this caused. David urges her to be understanding with JJ, considering that Roberto was one of the reasons he was put in jail and the cause of so much of his suffering. Ale is frustrated. She’s trying, but JJ won’t let her in/let her get close to him! David advises her to approach JJ/make the first move. He’s worth it. Ale seems to take his advice to heart and thanks him.
Over at JJ’s, Lucha is busy making dinner and Chicles is busy making trouble. Lucha puts a stop to the trouble making and is just about to read THE LETTER for Chicles when Limon interrupts and asks for Lucha’s assistance elsewhere. Chicles then asks for Limón to read him the letter, but once again Limon can be of no help. He wonders why Chicles has the letter if he gave it to Caramelo as a gift and he knows how much Caramelo loves letters. Yeah, well Caramelo stole his pencil from his backpack, so he took the letter in retaliation without her knowing. Limon thinks it was wrong of them both. Anyway, they have many pencils of all kinds of colors at the house. He’s keeping the letter and will give it back to Caramelo. He guards it in his breast pocket.
Adolfo seems just as inept at paperwork in David’s office as he was in Carlos’ office. “Mario”, Abelardo and Leo come strolling in and he wants to know what they want. “Mario” wants to know the same of him. “What does he want?!” Nothing, just to fix the problems of their business that’s falling apart thanks to Mario’s ineptitude. Mario begs to differ, and Leo points out that only Mario, the owner of this business, can make these decisions. Well, Mario hasn’t been making those decisions for a long time, and his invalid son hasn't been working for weeks now. FaustiMario loses it. It’s Adolfo’s fault that David is in his condition. His fault! Leo holds FaustiMario back. He advises Adolfo to back off, since Mario is here now and fully able to make the necessary decisions. Adolfo pulls out the ace up his sleeve. He questions if Mario is really capable of making the decisions, considering he has an inoperable brain tumor! FaustiMario is left impactado.
After this brief distraction, Adolfo’s brain cells once again kick into overdrive. He tells Valentin he doesn’t believe a word he’s saying. He’s sure that once Valentin saw Garnica wasn’t coming back from Puerto Vallarta, he decided to keep the money and the letter for himself! Valentin thinks fast on his feet. He spoke to Garnica himself lately. Oh really?! Dante thinks Valentin must be an expert aquatic athlete (considering where he would have to go to talk to Garnica). Adolfo agrees. In fact, he thinks they’re going to have to make him a part of their aquatic team so that he can…continue practicing. But beforehand they’ll continue talking to him, so that Dante can retrieve his map and Adolfo his letter. They drag the poor idiot out. Knowing the jig is up, Valentin volunteers to give them back the money and the map. But he swears he does not have the letter. Garnica took it with him to Puerto Vallarta.
Juli and Paulita are in the Guillen living room having a mother-daughter chat. Juli asks Paula if she remembers her mother. Paulita was very little when she died in a car accident, but her dad has lots of photos and videos that Paula has been able to look at. Her grandparents were also murdered soon after, and shortly after that her dad left the ranch in Durango to become a police officer in Mexico City. Juli is shocked to hear about the murder of Paula’s grandparents, and surprised to realize Leo has money. She and Paula both wonder why he left the ranch to become a police officer in D.F.
Adolfo and Zaida are having lunch and he’s obviously just asked her to work with him and Dante. She’s ticked off. She doesn’t want anything to do with that guy! Adolfo commands her to sit down, because she doesn’t have much choice in the matter. With Garnica gone, she would be alone and unprotected without Adolfo. Now she’s got to work with Dante as part of this new order. She points out that it’s Dante’s fault she was in prison. Adolfo points out that Dante never wanted to kill her. Prison vs death. Zaida seems to accept the lesser of the two evils. Adolfo gives her his assignment—bring Dante in on the Puerto Vallarta deal with JJ. Speak of the Devil, in walks Belial himself!
Zaida stares at Dante with a mix of fear and hatred. Adolfo pretends they are in polite society and turns on the charm. “I believe you two know each other.” Indeed they do, and Dante thinks he owes the lady an explanation.
At Genoves Manor, the doctor is checking David as Dora looks on. It’s good news! David has been doing his physical therapy, with good results. He feels the tickle the doctor does on the soles of his feet, and he is able to wiggle his toes. With the continued therapy, and David’s excellent physical condition, the doctor predicts only more good things to come. Dora accompanies the doctor out happily. David immediately calls Gabi with the good news. She’s very happy to hear it and wants to be with him to celebrate, but she’ll be a while yet at work. She explains that she’s with Urbina and JJ, deep in hotel management learning.
After she hangs up and the three get back to work, an impactado Adolfo comes strolling in and wonders what the hell they’re doing there. JJ stands defiantly and wants to know what’s it to Adolfo (que te importa?). Well, Adolfo’s a partner in this business! Of course what goes on is important to him! He thought things were going badly with the business, and now he knows why (looking directly at Gabi). And what’s JJ doing here? Now Gabi stands up. JJ’s there because she wants him there, and David approves. Adolfo insults her by saying all she knows how to do is serve tables. JJ takes offence at his insulting the lady, but Adolfo doesn’t back down. And JJ better not dare lay a finger on him, or back to jail for him. Plus, they don’t have a shred of evidence against him! But he has the right to defend his interests. Mario is old and decrepit, and David’s an invalid, giving Adolfo the right to take over, which is what he intends to do. He orders them out. Gabi refuses, since it’s her husband’s business, but Urbina points out to them that Adolfo is an important partner in this business and urges them to go. JJ leaves with a threat to take Adolfo down, somehow, someway. Adolfo chuckles evilly, and tosses to the ground a framed photo of Mario from David’s desk.
At the prison, Leo speaks to Marcos, telling him they’ve found the diamonds and the money at Susana’s place, but no Susana. They want to know where she is because she could be in great danger. One of the people she had been associated with, Roberto Zarate, has been murdered. Marcos doesn’t know where she is, but swears he would tell them because he loves her and doesn’t want her to get hurt. Do they know who murdered this Roberto guy? Leo claims they don’t, but what does Marcos know of her association with him? All Marcos knows is that she had this photo of a woman, wearing the diamond shoes. Did Marcos know if Susana was going to sell the diamonds? Marcos explains that she was working as a servant in the Genoves home, and he advised her to sell the diamonds and leave the country, but she didn’t listen to him. Then she told him she had found this letter in the Genoves house and she was going to sell it, because it mentioned the names of some people guilty of a murder. Leo begins to line up all the puzzle pieces. He asks Marcos if Susana intended to sell the letter to Garnica. Marcos confirms this. Leo realizes the money they found in her apartment must have been from selling the letter to Garnica. He tells Marcos that Garnica has disappeared, is likely dead, and the letter is missing. If he knows something more, and he doesn’t want Susana to meet the same fate, he better cough up that info, now. All Marcos knows is what he advised her to do—sell the diamonds and leave the country. He knows nothing more and doesn’t know where she is. Since the money and diamonds are still in her apt, Leo knows she could not have left the country. He asks Marcos how many diamonds where left in the shoes; Marcos thinks around 20. Well, they found three in the butter, the shoes are still missing.
At JJ’s, Caramelo is now finally experiencing the pain of homesickness. Seems she wants it all. She wants her mommy Elsa, but she also desperately wants to stay there with Limon and Chicles and doesn’t want to return to her new home just yet. She cries, Limon cries, even Chicles cries! Limon tries to comfort her.
Things are a lot more cheerful across the way at Casa Genoves. David is sharing the good news of his recovery with Fausto. They expect him to eventually be back to normal. He shows Fausto how he can now move his toes. Gabi comes flying in, with JJ at her heels. Through angry tears she tells “Mario” and David what Adolfo just did. David is so angry he lifts himself up from his wheelchair! Gabi and JJ forget their anger for the moment to marvel at what David just did. David is more concerned about hearing exactly what went down with Adolfo. JJ explains. David is adamant that Adolfo has NO right to take over the presidency when he and his father rightfully hold that title. FaustiMario says he’ll go over there tomorrow to straighten things out, but the boys think immediate action is required. What Adolfo is trying to do is illegal, and Leo can help them. Plus, David says, they have evidence/proof against Adolfo. Gabi is confused, and wants to know what kind of proof they have. The men all give each other and Gabi guilty, nervous looks. She repeats the question and then wonders if they are going to keep hiding things from her. She repeats that she wants that talk with Mario and her dad, together!
At the Club, Leo waits for Carlos in his office. Carlos immediately starts denying any affiliation with any crime. Leo wonders if he’s sure. Carlos clarifies. He’s not involved with anything that has to do with smuggling. Leo wonders if he knows Roberto was murdered. He admits he does and it was Bertha who told him. And just because she is living with his dad does not mean that she’s involved in any way in Roberto’s death or anything else. Plus, they don’t even know how Roberto was killed. Leo reveals it was poisoning—juice destined for Mario. Carlos is impactado. He wonders how Roberto had access to the house, and Leo explains about the dirty security guard. They were both likely working for the same person. Leo sees Carlos’s ring and asks if he knew Roberto had one just like it. That’s news to Carlos—he never saw it. Leo wonders when last he saw Roberto. Carlos claims it was a while back when they happened to both be staying at the same hotel. Well, what if Leo told him that a jewel like that was the proof of a crime? That would be news to Carlos. They are interrupted when Leo’s cell phone rings. Carlos’s ears perk up when he hears Leo mention his father’s name. Once off the phone, Leo tells him his dad is up to his usual tricks, causing trouble. He urges Carlos not to lose or lose track of that ring, as it could be needed as evidence. Carlos promises to make it available to them and Leo runs out to help the Genoves with their Adolfo problem. Carlos immediately calls Yolanda to meet later that evening to talk.
JJ returns home to find a down in the dumps Limon. He wonders what they will do if they never find that letter. He also wonders if they can get Elsa to renounce adopting Caramelo. [Recapper interruption: And then what? Limon and JJ still couldn’t have her legally. Who was it that said these two guys need a course in critical thinking?] JJ thinks 8 years old is old enough to decide where you should live. He thinks perhaps Mauricio could convince Elsa to give up on the adoption, since he obviously knows how to handle her. Limon talks about how sad Caramelo was to leave. “Sure she loves Elsa, but she loves me more.” Our two big kids chuckle at this. Of course she does! JJ has it all planned out. They’re going to find the letter, JJ will adopt Caramelo, and she will come back to live there with them. It’s her home! If they don’t find the letter, then they will have to convince Dora somehow to change her mind.
JJ’s doorbell rings and it’s our favorite neighborhood long-legged, blond smuggler at the door. How did she find his address? She claims, Elvira, Elsa, whatever, gave it to her. (Really?) Limon makes himself scarce after being introduced. Zaida wants a whiskey before getting down to business. She ran into a friend of hers from NY, and he’s interested in investing in their Puerto Vallarta deal. JJ wonders if this new “friend” of hers is like her old one- that blackmailing scoundrel Garnica. Zaida feigns ignorance. JJ doesn’t know if he’s alive or dead. Zaida feigns ignorance. JJ points out that Garnica introduced her as a good friend. Zaida feigns ignorance, and pretends they just said that so that the others would accept her into the deal. How did they meet? Garnica found her. Dante Sevilla, the millionaire investor she just mentioned, was the one who spoke to him about her. She’s hurt that JJ doesn’t seem to trust her, and tries the seductive flirty approach to convince him of what a wonderful time they’ll have as partners. JJ partly playfully, but mostly deadly seriously, responds to her attempts at seduction with a long hard stare.
At the Guillen apartment, Faustiago, in Fausto mode, takes a call from Juli, who is watching Paulita across the hall at Leo’s. She’ll be there a while longer until she puts Paula to bed. Nope, Leo hasn’t arrived yet. Right after that, Leo arrives at Fausto’s door. He wants to know exactly what happened with Adolfo. Fausto explains. Leo doesn’t think Adolfo has a leg to stand on since David is still the head of the company’s board. All the same, they want Leo to accompany them to confront Adolfo. Leo thinks what they need is not him, but a lawyer to accompany them. Fausto explains they need him because of the fear he inspires in Adolfo. Leo can’t deny he has this particular skill, and agrees. They decide to meet at 11am the next morning. They say good night, and Leo returns home to the hugs of a sleepy Paula, and the kisses of a very awake Juli. “Hola guapo.” “Hola hermosa.”
Juli asks him what we’ve all been wondering for some time now. Why did he leave his ranch in Durango behind to become a D.F. cop? He realizes she’s been talking to Paula. He explains his motivation was a misfortune in his own family—his parents were murdered. Who did it? It was…Adolfo Avila, who was attempting to take his family’s assets/properties. He gets upset and tells Juli he can’t talk about it any more. Juli wanders if he hasn’t thought about leaving the police force. Indeed he has. He’ll leave the force and return to Durango when he marries her. This is music to Juli’s ears. That won’t happen until he’s resolved these problems that her family and the Genoves are having, but he thinks it will be soon. Juli blesses this plan with a few deep kisses.
Yolanda seems in deep thought about her life over breakfast, and she doesn’t seem to like what she’s concluding. Carlos arrives and she apologizes for not meeting him the evening before as she had promised, but she had a headache. He joins her at the table and asks why his father took the ring from him. She doesn’t know, and she didn’t know that Roberto had one just like it either. He shocks her with the news that Roberto is dead. She didn’t know? He explains about the poisoned juice meant for Mario. Yolanda tries to hold herself together after hearing there was yet another attempt on the life of her one true love, as Carlos explains that Roberto got what was coming to him. He was a no-good, who then associated himself with Adolfo. Carlos is sure his dad had something to do with his murder, and the ring also has something to do with it all. Leo told him that the ring is proof of some crime. Carlos wants to know if Yolanda would be put in danger if he gives the ring to the police. Yolanda resigns herself. She doesn’t want him to worry about her. She’s run the risk of getting hurt a long time and she’s tired now. Carlos urges her to get out of this life; there’s still time. Yolanda says she can’t. He begs her to tell him what it is that ties her to his father. “I can’t! I can never tell you! Never!” She runs from the table, leaving a worried Carlos calling after her.
At the Genoves Casa, David is finishing up physical therapy. Abelardo arrives and they speak about the good news of David’s rapid recovery. They then speak about the Adolfo situation and Leo accompanying FaustiMario to confront him. David wants Abelardo to go as well, since Fausto knows nothing of the business. David just wants them to make sure they stay firm on the question of the presidency. Leo arrives, looking sharp, and is greeted by Dora at the door. As usual, she is obviously not happy to see him, but he tells her he must speak to her seriously. She stands firm in her refusal, and her fear of more bad things happening. Leo understands, but if she testifies, all of this will end. He could force her to testify, but he doesn’t want to do that. He wants her to do it of her own free will. She walks away telling him she’ll inform the others of his arrival. The old men leave David’s room, and David asks Dora what’s wrong. She avoids the subject by speaking of the happy news of his standing up the evening before. Soon enough he’ll be walking, and she’ll be able to be much more at ease. David looks at her strangely and wonders what she means by that. [Me too. Does she mean that once he’s walking again she’ll go into hiding once more? Or does she just mean he’ll be better able to protect himself and won’t be as vulnerable?]
Ale descends the stairs and greets David, also happy with the good news of his improving health. He speaks about how well Gabi is doing learning the business, but that Adolfo is trying to take over the board presidency. He explains about the meeting that day, with Leo in attendance. Ale is worried about her sister living with that dangerous man. She knows she’s a pain, but she’s her sister. David agrees and tells Ale to ask her to come back to the house (I would ask Gabi about that first). Ale agrees with me. She thinks it best to avoid Bertha-Gabi problems by putting Bertha in an apartment. David offers to help her out. Ale thanks him, but refuses the financial help. Bertha is her sister, so she’ll pay for the apartment. David wants the update on her and JJ. “Mas o menos.” She explains about her recent revelation to JJ that she dated Roberto, and the problems this caused. David urges her to be understanding with JJ, considering that Roberto was one of the reasons he was put in jail and the cause of so much of his suffering. Ale is frustrated. She’s trying, but JJ won’t let her in/let her get close to him! David advises her to approach JJ/make the first move. He’s worth it. Ale seems to take his advice to heart and thanks him.
Over at JJ’s, Lucha is busy making dinner and Chicles is busy making trouble. Lucha puts a stop to the trouble making and is just about to read THE LETTER for Chicles when Limon interrupts and asks for Lucha’s assistance elsewhere. Chicles then asks for Limón to read him the letter, but once again Limon can be of no help. He wonders why Chicles has the letter if he gave it to Caramelo as a gift and he knows how much Caramelo loves letters. Yeah, well Caramelo stole his pencil from his backpack, so he took the letter in retaliation without her knowing. Limon thinks it was wrong of them both. Anyway, they have many pencils of all kinds of colors at the house. He’s keeping the letter and will give it back to Caramelo. He guards it in his breast pocket.
Adolfo seems just as inept at paperwork in David’s office as he was in Carlos’ office. “Mario”, Abelardo and Leo come strolling in and he wants to know what they want. “Mario” wants to know the same of him. “What does he want?!” Nothing, just to fix the problems of their business that’s falling apart thanks to Mario’s ineptitude. Mario begs to differ, and Leo points out that only Mario, the owner of this business, can make these decisions. Well, Mario hasn’t been making those decisions for a long time, and his invalid son hasn't been working for weeks now. FaustiMario loses it. It’s Adolfo’s fault that David is in his condition. His fault! Leo holds FaustiMario back. He advises Adolfo to back off, since Mario is here now and fully able to make the necessary decisions. Adolfo pulls out the ace up his sleeve. He questions if Mario is really capable of making the decisions, considering he has an inoperable brain tumor! FaustiMario is left impactado.
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Vivi, a thousand thanks for all the details in your recap. The business conversations are especially hard for me to follow. “Belial and Beelzebub” - love it! “Valentin gives a response that could describe a quarter of all the men in Mexico.” - lol!
I sure hope JJ and Limon will realize Caramelo wants a mother most of all and bow out of mounting a custody battle. Limon, enroll in an adult literacy class. With your charm and dapper dress, you're sure to be teacher's pet. Dora has so much patience - maybe she could be his tutor.
I'm impressed with Ale for thinking of Gabi and not trying to bring Bertha back to the Genoves house, but Bertha is so selfish and disloyal it could backfire on Ale. I understand JJ needing some space after finding out Robert was responsible for his 11 years in a cell, coming face to face with him (or foot to gut with him), Ale having been involved with him way back when, and Roberto suddenly dropping dead without paying for his crime. That’s a lot to digest. Ale should take David’s advice.
I'm impressed with Juli too. She doesn't hold back with Leo. If she wants to know, she asks. But is Juli unemployed? Maybe her executive sis should get her a job.
If Yolanda has a Big Bad in her past and Dora has one too, could their Big Bads be related to each other?
I sure hope JJ and Limon will realize Caramelo wants a mother most of all and bow out of mounting a custody battle. Limon, enroll in an adult literacy class. With your charm and dapper dress, you're sure to be teacher's pet. Dora has so much patience - maybe she could be his tutor.
I'm impressed with Ale for thinking of Gabi and not trying to bring Bertha back to the Genoves house, but Bertha is so selfish and disloyal it could backfire on Ale. I understand JJ needing some space after finding out Robert was responsible for his 11 years in a cell, coming face to face with him (or foot to gut with him), Ale having been involved with him way back when, and Roberto suddenly dropping dead without paying for his crime. That’s a lot to digest. Ale should take David’s advice.
I'm impressed with Juli too. She doesn't hold back with Leo. If she wants to know, she asks. But is Juli unemployed? Maybe her executive sis should get her a job.
If Yolanda has a Big Bad in her past and Dora has one too, could their Big Bads be related to each other?
Thanks, Vivi, LOL..."Adolfo Avila is Behind EVERYTHING" and Adolfo is just as inept at paperwork in David's office as in Carlos' office." Adolfo always seems to make such a mess of the files, it must take someone a long time to straighten them out. I think this is WHY Adolfo went into crime, he is inept at anything else. LOL. Also laughed at your line about Valentin's description of J J..."a quarter of all the men in Mexico." Adolfo should realize, as Garnica's assistant, Valentin might have seen J J anyway when they were blackmailing him.
Dora is such a pain. Leo is being kind in not throwing her behind in jail for obstruction of justice or unwilling witness or whatever might work in getting her to talk. The family and home are unprotected again without a security firm to guard them. And David and Abelardo seem to be lacksadasical (sp?) again in not immediately hiring another firm.
At least the letter is with an adult, though an illiterate one. I just hope he doesn't wash it with his clothes.
Again, Vivi, thanks for a humorous, detailed and oh so helpful and informative recap.
Gotta run, GinCA
Dora is such a pain. Leo is being kind in not throwing her behind in jail for obstruction of justice or unwilling witness or whatever might work in getting her to talk. The family and home are unprotected again without a security firm to guard them. And David and Abelardo seem to be lacksadasical (sp?) again in not immediately hiring another firm.
At least the letter is with an adult, though an illiterate one. I just hope he doesn't wash it with his clothes.
Again, Vivi, thanks for a humorous, detailed and oh so helpful and informative recap.
Gotta run, GinCA
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: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 7:16:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 7:16:00 PM EST
Thank you, Vivi! Haven't seen the episode yet, so I will be back later.
Meanwhile, here are the You Tube links for Episode 84:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Meanwhile, here are the You Tube links for Episode 84:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Vivi thanks for your recap. Your title was great and true!! Though I do dislike Adolfo, he has been well played throughout this TN. Most villains are over the top but overall he's been very realistic as a ruthless criminal mastermind who is evil to his core.
Like Niecie, I too am anxious to learn what the horrible secret is that keeps Yolanda and Adolfo together particularly since she knows a lot of his dirty dealings.
ITA w/GinCA regarding Dora. Watching her be immobilized by fear is annoying but also a good example of what not to do. It reminds me of the saying a life half lived is not a life.
Sandy, I shared your statement about how great this show is on TDA thread (I hope you don't mind). ITA concerning your thoughts on disliking the unnecessary obstacles TNs often use to keep the couples apart. In this TN there are so many intrigues and plots that have very tangible consequences and this leaves little reason to keep people who love one another separated; the protagonists need teams of people to help them solve the puzzle.
Like Niecie, I too am anxious to learn what the horrible secret is that keeps Yolanda and Adolfo together particularly since she knows a lot of his dirty dealings.
ITA w/GinCA regarding Dora. Watching her be immobilized by fear is annoying but also a good example of what not to do. It reminds me of the saying a life half lived is not a life.
Sandy, I shared your statement about how great this show is on TDA thread (I hope you don't mind). ITA concerning your thoughts on disliking the unnecessary obstacles TNs often use to keep the couples apart. In this TN there are so many intrigues and plots that have very tangible consequences and this leaves little reason to keep people who love one another separated; the protagonists need teams of people to help them solve the puzzle.
Vivi - thanks once again for the
brilliantly written and funny recap, chock full of information.
Yes, critical thinking is a must.
Ginca, I agree; Dora is a pain;
of course if she had spoken up years ago, we wouldn't have a novela; if she had spoken up a few months ago, Roberto could have been behind bars instead of arranging false weddings and killing Don Mario, but then where would our novela be? And Carlos would have had to tetify against him; the excitement mounts.
I'm curious as to whether Gabi and Dora have personal shoppers.Their wardrobes have several new additions, and there appears to be
no time for shopping sprees.Dora's shoes are a little more upbeat too, and she is not shuffling her feet as she was when in the rural vllage where she had aged at least 10 years.
Please correct me if I'm wrong -
re our Comandante - his last name would be that of his mother.
His parents would have a different last name, and therefore Adolfo would not recognize the name of this relentless, pursuing police officer as the son of people he had murdered.
Niece, Juli has been conveniently
but unofficially employed by Leo
securing her future the old fashioned way by catchng a husband.
Opportunity knocked and she willingly answered. And as luck would have it, he is RICH!
Does anyone marry a poor man in
novela land? (In STUD, JM finally
came into some money although not
in comparison to the great wealth
of VV.)
Enjoyed all the comments.
brilliantly written and funny recap, chock full of information.
Yes, critical thinking is a must.
Ginca, I agree; Dora is a pain;
of course if she had spoken up years ago, we wouldn't have a novela; if she had spoken up a few months ago, Roberto could have been behind bars instead of arranging false weddings and killing Don Mario, but then where would our novela be? And Carlos would have had to tetify against him; the excitement mounts.
I'm curious as to whether Gabi and Dora have personal shoppers.Their wardrobes have several new additions, and there appears to be
no time for shopping sprees.Dora's shoes are a little more upbeat too, and she is not shuffling her feet as she was when in the rural vllage where she had aged at least 10 years.
Please correct me if I'm wrong -
re our Comandante - his last name would be that of his mother.
His parents would have a different last name, and therefore Adolfo would not recognize the name of this relentless, pursuing police officer as the son of people he had murdered.
Niece, Juli has been conveniently
but unofficially employed by Leo
securing her future the old fashioned way by catchng a husband.
Opportunity knocked and she willingly answered. And as luck would have it, he is RICH!
Does anyone marry a poor man in
novela land? (In STUD, JM finally
came into some money although not
in comparison to the great wealth
of VV.)
Enjoyed all the comments.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 8:33:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 8:33:00 PM EST
Karen,
I completely agree with Sandy about
ridiculous obstacles keeping people apart and a total lack of communication between protagonists. After watching Verdad, I am now fed up with the other novelas and don't know if I will ever watch another unless writers decide to come up with more sophisticated plots like this.
Enough is enough!
I completely agree with Sandy about
ridiculous obstacles keeping people apart and a total lack of communication between protagonists. After watching Verdad, I am now fed up with the other novelas and don't know if I will ever watch another unless writers decide to come up with more sophisticated plots like this.
Enough is enough!
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 8:43:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 8:43:00 PM EST
Excellent recap Vivi. Now we know why Leo is so adamant in taking Adolfo down. He, Fausto, Mario, and JJ all have in common that Adolfo has killed or set them up to take the fall.
I agree that when it comes to handling the papers, Adolfo is totally inept.
I hope that letter now falls in JJ's hands soon. He's so close and he doesn't even know it.
I too am completely frustrated with Dora's resolve not to talk. The show is being realistic by depicting what happens when people are afraid to speak up even though it's the right thing to do.
What I love most about this novela is that is doesn't insult the viewers intelligence and the plot is believable and not far fetched. I have really been spoiled. I don't know when I will see another smart novela that keeps me riveted from the beginning to the end as this one has. Each show always end with another secret revealed and more pieces of the puzzle fitting together. This is a thinking person's novela and I love it.
I agree that when it comes to handling the papers, Adolfo is totally inept.
I hope that letter now falls in JJ's hands soon. He's so close and he doesn't even know it.
I too am completely frustrated with Dora's resolve not to talk. The show is being realistic by depicting what happens when people are afraid to speak up even though it's the right thing to do.
What I love most about this novela is that is doesn't insult the viewers intelligence and the plot is believable and not far fetched. I have really been spoiled. I don't know when I will see another smart novela that keeps me riveted from the beginning to the end as this one has. Each show always end with another secret revealed and more pieces of the puzzle fitting together. This is a thinking person's novela and I love it.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 10:01:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 10:01:00 PM EST
Karen, last night after watching the show, I was thinking the same thing. The acting in this novela is- realistic. And by all the actors. As you stated the main villain is usually way over the top, a caricature. But Adolfo is evil yet charming as well and, as said, he is not constantly winning every battle as the villains do in most novelas. All the characters have intelligence and hence are not doing too many stupid things. Okay, J J occasionally but he has proven he can learn and change as David has. And there are enough exciting story elements and plots to keep us on our toes, not a rehash of a rehash. Like Floridia, I can't watch the other novelas right now since they can't compare to LVO but I have more time to do other things now.
GinCA
GinCA
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 10:34:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 10:34:00 PM EST
Thanks again, Vivi. Yes, that was an intriguing clue; Dora must be going to hide out again. Seeing Leonardo spooked her apparently.
She won't be gone for good, I don't think; I still think she and Adolfo are David's parents. Dora will have to come back for that reveal.
But in the meantime, the pressure will still be on Juan José; and Adolfo will still be slipping through their fingers.
She won't be gone for good, I don't think; I still think she and Adolfo are David's parents. Dora will have to come back for that reveal.
But in the meantime, the pressure will still be on Juan José; and Adolfo will still be slipping through their fingers.
P.S. I hope I get an episode where I can use "Dora the Exploradora" for the title, LOL. Maybe if she takes off again.
Oh, and I love how they are coming up with new villains all the time in this novela. I am still surprised over Garnica's quick demise and enjoyed Adolfo and Dante's cracking up over it. Crazy Roberto is gone and Edgar screwed up and nervous Zaida is trying to save her skin and being tossed around among the baddies. And Yolanda and Bertha are both trapped by Adolfo and their past mistakes. And Susana is in a coma.
GinCA
GinCA
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 10:49:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 10:49:00 PM EST
Thanks for the recap Vivi.
Regarding Dora, I really do get her. I can't help but relate it with the way our country is right now infested with the cartels and their violence. Just like the big "narcos", Adolfo is an extremely powerful man that has no scrupples. People here, even rich ones, don't say anything if they have information and if they do it is in a way that won't reveal their identity. It's sort of a rule: ignore them, act as if you don't know anything and protect yourself and your loved ones. Of course, in our reality we don't trust the police to keep us safe and in LVO we know Leo is a supercop and we trust Adolfo will be getting his one day so that makes her attitude much more frustrating.
By the way, this morning I was having breakfast in a dinner and the tv had on Hoy and they were showing the best scenes of the week in Telenovelas and OMG, I can't believe what happened to Alejandra Barros's character in Para Volver A Amar. I could never watch that novela because it was on too early but I don't think I've ever seen something like that happening to a protagonista. Now I'm sure Univision won't show it.
Jarocha
Regarding Dora, I really do get her. I can't help but relate it with the way our country is right now infested with the cartels and their violence. Just like the big "narcos", Adolfo is an extremely powerful man that has no scrupples. People here, even rich ones, don't say anything if they have information and if they do it is in a way that won't reveal their identity. It's sort of a rule: ignore them, act as if you don't know anything and protect yourself and your loved ones. Of course, in our reality we don't trust the police to keep us safe and in LVO we know Leo is a supercop and we trust Adolfo will be getting his one day so that makes her attitude much more frustrating.
By the way, this morning I was having breakfast in a dinner and the tv had on Hoy and they were showing the best scenes of the week in Telenovelas and OMG, I can't believe what happened to Alejandra Barros's character in Para Volver A Amar. I could never watch that novela because it was on too early but I don't think I've ever seen something like that happening to a protagonista. Now I'm sure Univision won't show it.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 11:04:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 11:04:00 PM EST
Dora is a coward. That is her nature so expect her to do cowardly things.
Re: Leo, I would think his name would be "Leo Faidella Lastnamehere" and his parents were the Faidellas. So if Adolfo killed Pete & Betsy Faidella and 10 years later a cop with the last name "Faidella" was trying to take him down, he'd put the pieces together.
But then again, we're talking about a man who sees a woman who is the spitting image of his baby mama (whom he killed) and it has absolutely no effect on him.
Re: Leo, I would think his name would be "Leo Faidella Lastnamehere" and his parents were the Faidellas. So if Adolfo killed Pete & Betsy Faidella and 10 years later a cop with the last name "Faidella" was trying to take him down, he'd put the pieces together.
But then again, we're talking about a man who sees a woman who is the spitting image of his baby mama (whom he killed) and it has absolutely no effect on him.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 11:38:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 11:38:00 PM EST
I just got home and saw all the nice comments. Thanks eveyone!
Yes, Dora's cowardice is frustrating, but realistic as Jarocha pointed out. So much could have been avoided or resolved had she spoken up. But then again, had she spoken up all those years ago, when she did not have the protection of a good cop and a rich family behind her, Adolfo would have surely had her eliminated before she could testify in a court. So it really was the smart move on her part to stay quiet all those years ago. But now, that fear has become habit and a part of who she is.
Yes, Dora's cowardice is frustrating, but realistic as Jarocha pointed out. So much could have been avoided or resolved had she spoken up. But then again, had she spoken up all those years ago, when she did not have the protection of a good cop and a rich family behind her, Adolfo would have surely had her eliminated before she could testify in a court. So it really was the smart move on her part to stay quiet all those years ago. But now, that fear has become habit and a part of who she is.
Vivi: I don't know if being in the Genovés house would have meen they could have protected her either. Mario is dead and, as much as I like LVO, Fausto and David would be dead if they weren't in a Telenovela. Dora has nothing on Adolfo, he'd still be free if she testifies against Carlos and she would only put herself and those she loves out in the open as possible targets of Adolfo's anger.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 2:54:00 AM EST
: Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 2:54:00 AM EST
Jarocha- You're right. Even with money and a good cop behind her, she knows that didn't do Mario or David any good against Adolfo. One is dead and the other is in a wheelchair because of him. She doesn't want to give him any more reasons to target her or her loved ones.
Ordinary people really don't have much of a chance against powerful criminals anywhere. Criminals kill and intimidate witnesses here, too.
The only time Dora by herself might have made a difference was at the very beginning, before Adolfo had a chance to construct a huge frame-up and conviction of Juan José.
If she had told her story at the beginning and then quickly disappeared, it could have all burst then.
But now it's too late, and they may have to bring Adolfo down low already before she will feel safe enough to testify.
I guess Dora did not want to leave the D.F. as long as she knew David was there. She did leave the hotel. I think she could have testified then, before the stakes got insurmountable.
The only time Dora by herself might have made a difference was at the very beginning, before Adolfo had a chance to construct a huge frame-up and conviction of Juan José.
If she had told her story at the beginning and then quickly disappeared, it could have all burst then.
But now it's too late, and they may have to bring Adolfo down low already before she will feel safe enough to testify.
I guess Dora did not want to leave the D.F. as long as she knew David was there. She did leave the hotel. I think she could have testified then, before the stakes got insurmountable.
Floridia, "Juli has been conveniently but unofficially employed by Leo securing her future the old fashioned way..." lol!
Jarocha,
1. First of all, Congratulations
on your new program; I wish you all the best; the topic is challenging and can open up a wonderful future for you as an expert - especially in Latin American issues.
2. Thank you for your first-hand description of how things are with regard to crime and the cartels in Mexico. It is so sad for all the good people of Mexico to endure this situation in their beloved and beautiful country. When I told my family I was traveling alone to Mexico 5 years ago, several urged me not to go; they were fearful. I studied for only
one week in a language school at Playa del Carmen (right near Bertha's condo) - very safe, but
I would love to travel more throughout the country.
3. To anyone who enjoys reading in Spanish, I am reading a non fiction book recommended on Al Punto last year with Jorge Ramos.
(This is part of my language immersion program in addition to the novelas.) The title is
"Las Fantásticas" by Andres Lopéz
Lopéz. It describes the life of the wives or girlfriends of the big drug dealers (los narcos)in
Columbia. So far I've only read
2 chapters because I am reading other things too, but each chapter
is self contained; each one is about a different female. Chapter 1 is Brenda and Chapter 2
is Violeta etc. etc. The stories
are intriguing but depressing.
4. Vivi and Jarocha, re Dora, unfortunately you are right about
retaliation. In September, here
in Florida, I attended a real life
murder trial. It started out as
a robbery. Two guys looking for drugs attemped to burglarize a home
in a residential neighborhood.
They were struggling with the screen door in the back of the house when the next door neighbor saw them. He chased after them and could identify them. On the evening before the trial for the
robbery,the 2 guys had staked out
the house. When the witness went
outside of his house to smoke a
cigarette, one of them fired one shot to the head, and the witness died instantly. Both of the killers ended up with life in prison without parole because the
prosectuion was unable to prove which of the two was the actual shooter. It was a horrible crime
and completely senseless - one man dead and 2 young guys on drugs wasted their lives and destroyed
the happiness of all the families.
These guys were not professionals,
so they had left a trail of evidence - but not so with the big guys like Adolfo. It's all so tragic in real life (and por supuesto in the novela.)
1. First of all, Congratulations
on your new program; I wish you all the best; the topic is challenging and can open up a wonderful future for you as an expert - especially in Latin American issues.
2. Thank you for your first-hand description of how things are with regard to crime and the cartels in Mexico. It is so sad for all the good people of Mexico to endure this situation in their beloved and beautiful country. When I told my family I was traveling alone to Mexico 5 years ago, several urged me not to go; they were fearful. I studied for only
one week in a language school at Playa del Carmen (right near Bertha's condo) - very safe, but
I would love to travel more throughout the country.
3. To anyone who enjoys reading in Spanish, I am reading a non fiction book recommended on Al Punto last year with Jorge Ramos.
(This is part of my language immersion program in addition to the novelas.) The title is
"Las Fantásticas" by Andres Lopéz
Lopéz. It describes the life of the wives or girlfriends of the big drug dealers (los narcos)in
Columbia. So far I've only read
2 chapters because I am reading other things too, but each chapter
is self contained; each one is about a different female. Chapter 1 is Brenda and Chapter 2
is Violeta etc. etc. The stories
are intriguing but depressing.
4. Vivi and Jarocha, re Dora, unfortunately you are right about
retaliation. In September, here
in Florida, I attended a real life
murder trial. It started out as
a robbery. Two guys looking for drugs attemped to burglarize a home
in a residential neighborhood.
They were struggling with the screen door in the back of the house when the next door neighbor saw them. He chased after them and could identify them. On the evening before the trial for the
robbery,the 2 guys had staked out
the house. When the witness went
outside of his house to smoke a
cigarette, one of them fired one shot to the head, and the witness died instantly. Both of the killers ended up with life in prison without parole because the
prosectuion was unable to prove which of the two was the actual shooter. It was a horrible crime
and completely senseless - one man dead and 2 young guys on drugs wasted their lives and destroyed
the happiness of all the families.
These guys were not professionals,
so they had left a trail of evidence - but not so with the big guys like Adolfo. It's all so tragic in real life (and por supuesto in the novela.)
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 10:45:00 AM EST
: Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 10:45:00 AM EST
Vivi, thanks for the detailed recap filled with great comments. Already mentioned but so good, “Valentin gives a response that could describe a quarter of all the men in Mexico- dark hair, tall, nice looking. Yes! Also, “Dante thinks Valentin must be an expert aquatic athlete.” That was a fun scene. And, “Who was it that said these two guys need a course in critical thinking?” Funny! Thanks for all your hard work! On your comparison with LVO and the Wizard of OZ, we didn’t mention the importance of shoes, the “ruby red slippers,” and our patent leather pumps!
I was so happy to see Carlos being really honest and forthright with Leo. I think a few weeks back he wouldn’t have given Leo so much information. He even admitted that he had gotten the Roberto news from Bertha, I thought he would hedge on that. I think he’s crossed completely over to the light! I hope so anyway.
I’m so glad that JJ is busy with his hotel business and the extortion mess. If he weren’t so occupied, I wouldn’t put it past him to think up some dang plot to try and get Caramelo back and then loose even the visiting rights that they have! He needs his mental helpmate back in his life, Ale.
I was actually glad to see Caramelo crying at leaving Limon’s. After so many years with Limon, if she were to waltz off with Elsa, without even a glance backwards, I would worry about her ability to bond.
Karen, I’m flattered you would quote on of my thoughts somewhere else!
Floridia, thanks for the real live example which helps us understand Dora better.
I was so happy to see Carlos being really honest and forthright with Leo. I think a few weeks back he wouldn’t have given Leo so much information. He even admitted that he had gotten the Roberto news from Bertha, I thought he would hedge on that. I think he’s crossed completely over to the light! I hope so anyway.
I’m so glad that JJ is busy with his hotel business and the extortion mess. If he weren’t so occupied, I wouldn’t put it past him to think up some dang plot to try and get Caramelo back and then loose even the visiting rights that they have! He needs his mental helpmate back in his life, Ale.
I was actually glad to see Caramelo crying at leaving Limon’s. After so many years with Limon, if she were to waltz off with Elsa, without even a glance backwards, I would worry about her ability to bond.
Karen, I’m flattered you would quote on of my thoughts somewhere else!
Floridia, thanks for the real live example which helps us understand Dora better.
Sandy, that was a beautiful testament to your affection for this work of art. :-)
Asunción -- he probably laid the same guilt trip on Caramelo that he did on Juan José, Elsa and Mauricio. He already made Juan José cry like a baby for him, for pete's sake.
He should lay off manipulating people; they're already in his corner. He always looks like a satisfied Cheshire cat when he gets someone feeling sympathetic for him.
Now that they've done this, I am considering more if Elsa will leave Mauricio so Asunción can move in with Elsa and Caramelo.
Even if Elsa and Juan José somehow make up and co-exist amicably, I can't yet picture Alejandra letting Elsa live with Juan José.
Asunción -- he probably laid the same guilt trip on Caramelo that he did on Juan José, Elsa and Mauricio. He already made Juan José cry like a baby for him, for pete's sake.
He should lay off manipulating people; they're already in his corner. He always looks like a satisfied Cheshire cat when he gets someone feeling sympathetic for him.
Now that they've done this, I am considering more if Elsa will leave Mauricio so Asunción can move in with Elsa and Caramelo.
Even if Elsa and Juan José somehow make up and co-exist amicably, I can't yet picture Alejandra letting Elsa live with Juan José.
P.S. Oh, yeah -- Asunción was going to be very happy to let probationer Juan José commit kidnapping for him and wind up back in prison. I need a rolleye emoticon right about here.
Jeri, you’re right, Limon is using a huge guilt trip on Elsa and thereby Caramelo.To her credit, Elsa is handling it maturely, attempting to smooth it over with him, but taking full responsibility for Caramelo and pushing ahead. It is just so un-novela like to have such complicated, unconventional relationships between an opening credit galan and novia. It will blow the top off of my cyber bonnet if we have Elsa, Asuncion, Caramelo with JJ and Ale somehow involved in some custody apartment style living in the end. I’ve thought about this, I hope they don’t somehow make Mauricio into a bad guy, he has had bad associations, Garnica. I’m sure they won’t do that, I hope.
Nah...as soon as Mauricio finds out his investors are dirty, he won't like it.
As long as Elsa has committed to him, Mauricio has a right to look out for the quality of their relationship. I would expect nothing else.
But if she breaks it off, then I think Mauricio could eventually be really happy with Mina, because she already had a case on him at the beginning.
Early on Mina said she really liked Mauricio; she said he was just the type she prefers.
As long as Elsa has committed to him, Mauricio has a right to look out for the quality of their relationship. I would expect nothing else.
But if she breaks it off, then I think Mauricio could eventually be really happy with Mina, because she already had a case on him at the beginning.
Early on Mina said she really liked Mauricio; she said he was just the type she prefers.
P.S. I'm kind of thinking that when the dirty investors fall through that Campo Real might step in and help Mauricio out.
Sandy- I don't think they will make Mau a bad guy. He didn't know Garnica was involved with anything illegal when he got involved with him. He has been above board the whole time. But that's not to say he won't make some mistakes. He's human and not perfect (although barely). And JJ has treated him terribly. It's a testament to his character that this is the first time he has mentioned anything about Elsa distancing herself from JJ. He was the one that kept urging her in the beginning to get her friendship with JJ back on track and mend their relationship. That's obviuosly not worked and like a reasonable person he's advising distance. I would probably do the same in the real world.
Jeri- We are on the same wavelength on Mau. He and Mina would make a great couple. For sure that's who I would pick for him. Unfortunately, his heart latched on to Elsa, with all her JJ baggage (although it's because of JJ that they're together).
Vivi, Elsa's monumental strength of loyalty Mauricio evidenced that day at his hotel just blew him away like a depth charge.
It's blinded him to their differences and made him forge ahead. They are cute together; but honestly I don't think they have the chemistry he and Mina would.
Too bad Mina isn't around more; I just love that peanut.
It's blinded him to their differences and made him forge ahead. They are cute together; but honestly I don't think they have the chemistry he and Mina would.
Too bad Mina isn't around more; I just love that peanut.
Sandy, about that complicated relationship: it would simplify things if Alejandra at some point changed her mind and agreed to adopt Caramelo with Juan José.
Not sure how they would work that with Elsa and Caramelo -- OMG, I just had a thought. What if they killed off Elsa. I can't think of any reason to do that, but it would simplify things.
Not sure how they would work that with Elsa and Caramelo -- OMG, I just had a thought. What if they killed off Elsa. I can't think of any reason to do that, but it would simplify things.
Thank you, Vivi!
Jarocha:
And yes, it'd be much easier if Alejandra changed her mind.
I read a spoiler at Uni's forum, it was about her character? I don't watch PVAA yet but from what I heard about it, her storyline seems to be an episode from M.A. I still hope Uni will show PVAA.
You're all right about Dora, if I was her I would keep my mouth shut, too, but since it's a telenovela and we are the viewers who root for JJ it's a fraking frustrating situation. :)
Jeri:
OMG, I just had a thought. What if they killed off Elsa.
Oh, no, no, no, no, I hope this won't happen, I don't despise her that much. :) She's a good girl who doesn't deserve that fate. Any chance for a peaceful, civilized solution?
Jarocha:
And yes, it'd be much easier if Alejandra changed her mind.
I read a spoiler at Uni's forum, it was about her character? I don't watch PVAA yet but from what I heard about it, her storyline seems to be an episode from M.A. I still hope Uni will show PVAA.
You're all right about Dora, if I was her I would keep my mouth shut, too, but since it's a telenovela and we are the viewers who root for JJ it's a fraking frustrating situation. :)
Jeri:
OMG, I just had a thought. What if they killed off Elsa.
Oh, no, no, no, no, I hope this won't happen, I don't despise her that much. :) She's a good girl who doesn't deserve that fate. Any chance for a peaceful, civilized solution?
Oh, my favourite topic, aka the crazy mess between Elsa, Mauricio, JJ.
Here's my problem: when Mauricio asked Elsa to distant herself and Caramelo from A&JJ it was like when the new husband told his wife to distant herself and her child from her ex-husband (who's the father of her child), just because wifey and the ex can't exist in the same room at the same time. Wifey can distance herself but the ex has every right to visit daughter.
Yes, I know, neither Asunción nor JJ is her father. But oops, Elsa isn't her mother either.
Yes, Elsa is going to adopt her and legally she has every right to do what she wants. But this situation was forced by the social worker and the gods who played with that letter.
We know JJ, he's a very stubborn guy who loves the kid much. Five minutes after he proves his innocence (which surely will happen since he's one of the protagonists - unless he will be the one who gets killed or becomes a bad boy :)) he will claim Caramelo back. I think he would back off if Caramelo told him she wanted to live with Elsa and Mauricio forever, but it isn't that obvious that the girl would choose them, because ->
Yes, since she met Angie Caramelo wanted a classic mom-dad-kids family and she clearly enjoyed her first days at Elsa's. However, she loved her old life, too, and it seems she wants everything. Very realistic situation. Although Limón does lay shameless guilt trip on others (satisfied Cheshire cat: LOL!), I don't think that scene at JJ's was just a result of his behaviour - it was meant to prove that Caramelo won't forget her lunatic men easily. She spent much more time with A&JJ than with Elsa, she loves Limón more than anyone and and she loves Elsa and JJ equally.
And yes, it'd be much easier if Miss Princesa Orgullosa changed her mind. Right now Elsa is the only woman in town who could become Caramelo's caring mother and of course children need mothers.
Back to Mauricio: your feelings are understandable and you're an adorable knight in a shining armor, but if you want a peaceful family life, try to marry a woman who doesn't have a huge JJ baggage and try to adopt a child who doesn't have a huge JJ and Asunción baggage. You can get rid of Elsa's past since she told you she wasn't in love with JJ anymore (which I don't believe completely but that's my humble opinion) but sorry, you shouldn't separate Caramelo from her former family just because Elsa and JJ have issues.
I start to like the Mina/Mauricio idea.
Here's my problem: when Mauricio asked Elsa to distant herself and Caramelo from A&JJ it was like when the new husband told his wife to distant herself and her child from her ex-husband (who's the father of her child), just because wifey and the ex can't exist in the same room at the same time. Wifey can distance herself but the ex has every right to visit daughter.
Yes, I know, neither Asunción nor JJ is her father. But oops, Elsa isn't her mother either.
Yes, Elsa is going to adopt her and legally she has every right to do what she wants. But this situation was forced by the social worker and the gods who played with that letter.
We know JJ, he's a very stubborn guy who loves the kid much. Five minutes after he proves his innocence (which surely will happen since he's one of the protagonists - unless he will be the one who gets killed or becomes a bad boy :)) he will claim Caramelo back. I think he would back off if Caramelo told him she wanted to live with Elsa and Mauricio forever, but it isn't that obvious that the girl would choose them, because ->
Yes, since she met Angie Caramelo wanted a classic mom-dad-kids family and she clearly enjoyed her first days at Elsa's. However, she loved her old life, too, and it seems she wants everything. Very realistic situation. Although Limón does lay shameless guilt trip on others (satisfied Cheshire cat: LOL!), I don't think that scene at JJ's was just a result of his behaviour - it was meant to prove that Caramelo won't forget her lunatic men easily. She spent much more time with A&JJ than with Elsa, she loves Limón more than anyone and and she loves Elsa and JJ equally.
And yes, it'd be much easier if Miss Princesa Orgullosa changed her mind. Right now Elsa is the only woman in town who could become Caramelo's caring mother and of course children need mothers.
Back to Mauricio: your feelings are understandable and you're an adorable knight in a shining armor, but if you want a peaceful family life, try to marry a woman who doesn't have a huge JJ baggage and try to adopt a child who doesn't have a huge JJ and Asunción baggage. You can get rid of Elsa's past since she told you she wasn't in love with JJ anymore (which I don't believe completely but that's my humble opinion) but sorry, you shouldn't separate Caramelo from her former family just because Elsa and JJ have issues.
I start to like the Mina/Mauricio idea.
Aribeth, I do think the crying scene was due to Asunción's behavior.
We know she loves him and that they will see each other. But at home with Elsa, Caramelo wasn't crying about Asunción.
She's been to Juan José's since the guardianship started without crying.
The option left is that Asunción pulled the same quivering lip on her that he does on everybody else.
If he was a little less selfish, he could make things easier on Caramelo and not make her cry. It didn't make him suffer to see her cry; I think he was gratified. Tsk, tsk.
None of the people he's leaning on are responsible for social services taking Caramelo away. It's his own fault for not ever being a proper legal guardian yet.
And as far as I can tell, he hasn't taken Step 1 to change that. I'm looking forward to seeing him improve himself.
If he wants to be a proper legal guardian, he will also have to have legal status; so we should be finding out some stuff about his background. That should be interesting.
We know she loves him and that they will see each other. But at home with Elsa, Caramelo wasn't crying about Asunción.
She's been to Juan José's since the guardianship started without crying.
The option left is that Asunción pulled the same quivering lip on her that he does on everybody else.
If he was a little less selfish, he could make things easier on Caramelo and not make her cry. It didn't make him suffer to see her cry; I think he was gratified. Tsk, tsk.
None of the people he's leaning on are responsible for social services taking Caramelo away. It's his own fault for not ever being a proper legal guardian yet.
And as far as I can tell, he hasn't taken Step 1 to change that. I'm looking forward to seeing him improve himself.
If he wants to be a proper legal guardian, he will also have to have legal status; so we should be finding out some stuff about his background. That should be interesting.
Aribeth, just to take a differing viewpoint because I’m doing nothing else constructive today, Limon is part of the problem. Didn’t Mauricio request that Elsa limit her access to him after he came over the first time and huffed around in a “passive-aggressive” mode draining the happiness out of the room? Maybe Mau sees the handwriting on the wall and envisions his life with Elsa as an in-house Dr. Phil Show (US problematic couples program) with JJ and Limon as permanent guests! I don’t entirely agree with him, but I understand his reasoning. He is trying to avoid a permanent roller-coaster relationship ride.
I love the Mau and Mina scenario too!
I love the Mau and Mina scenario too!
Jeri, while I’m on a “disagreeing” roll, I’m not sure I think that Cara’s crying was caused by Limon’s “quivering lip.” I think that while he was imperfect and in a way selfish by not finding a proper non-urchin style of living for her, she loves him and is genuinely confused and stressed by living away from him. I think that her drawing was a telling mirror into her mind!!! You make a good point on his not taking any steps to change his illiteracy, he continues to do nothing to improve his parental status.
Of course, it’s fun to have differing viewpoints on things, I have been wrong more times than right on novelas and I don’t mind admitting my errors in “el fin.”
Of course, it’s fun to have differing viewpoints on things, I have been wrong more times than right on novelas and I don’t mind admitting my errors in “el fin.”
Jeri:
I do think the crying scene was due to Asunción's behavior.
Maybe, I also noticed Limón's desperate behaviour, but Caramelo didn't gave a damn about his sadness regarding her new life. She didn't seem to notice his reactions when she was so happy to get a mommy, when she didn't want to be with him and when she told him Elsa wasn't her aunt but her MOTHHHHHER. Even if she felt something was wrong her reaction was too harsh, wasn't it.
And here comes the original question: what does Caramelo really want? We haven't been given a definite answer yet. We can talk about custody and families, but probably one day even JJ and Asunción will be worthy to be legal guardians, at least telenovela rules say so. :) Who would Cara choose that day, JJ/AL or M/E?* At the beginning of the week it seemed the boyz should forget her as soon as possible because the little girl has been always meant to be Elsa's daughter, come on, just look at her, how happy she was with her new home, name and pink excercise books. For her this won't be hard, she will integrate into her new family easily. But at the end of the week it wasn't that obvious and I doubt it was just the result of Asunción's influence. (I admit: I also HOPE it wasn't the result of his influence. :))
* My two cents: she would choose both because she loves everyone. But definitely wouldn't choose the "I live with mommy and daddy and I meet uncle JJ and Limón once in every five year" scenario.
But I agree, Asunción's sore face and pity parties are just as irritating as Elsa's face was when she started to realize there won't be a fairytale wedding with Prince Charming von Douchebag of El Reclusorio Oriente...
Sandy:
Didn’t Mauricio request that Elsa limit her access to him after he came over the first time and huffed around in a “passive-aggressive” mode draining the happiness out of the room?
Mauricio came up with that great idea the very moment Elsa and Caramelo arrived at Elsa's flat. :) It happened a few days before Asunción's first visit and it was about Elsa's issues and JJ's doucheness.
Geez, I talk too much.
I do think the crying scene was due to Asunción's behavior.
Maybe, I also noticed Limón's desperate behaviour, but Caramelo didn't gave a damn about his sadness regarding her new life. She didn't seem to notice his reactions when she was so happy to get a mommy, when she didn't want to be with him and when she told him Elsa wasn't her aunt but her MOTHHHHHER. Even if she felt something was wrong her reaction was too harsh, wasn't it.
And here comes the original question: what does Caramelo really want? We haven't been given a definite answer yet. We can talk about custody and families, but probably one day even JJ and Asunción will be worthy to be legal guardians, at least telenovela rules say so. :) Who would Cara choose that day, JJ/AL or M/E?* At the beginning of the week it seemed the boyz should forget her as soon as possible because the little girl has been always meant to be Elsa's daughter, come on, just look at her, how happy she was with her new home, name and pink excercise books. For her this won't be hard, she will integrate into her new family easily. But at the end of the week it wasn't that obvious and I doubt it was just the result of Asunción's influence. (I admit: I also HOPE it wasn't the result of his influence. :))
* My two cents: she would choose both because she loves everyone. But definitely wouldn't choose the "I live with mommy and daddy and I meet uncle JJ and Limón once in every five year" scenario.
But I agree, Asunción's sore face and pity parties are just as irritating as Elsa's face was when she started to realize there won't be a fairytale wedding with Prince Charming von Douchebag of El Reclusorio Oriente...
Sandy:
Didn’t Mauricio request that Elsa limit her access to him after he came over the first time and huffed around in a “passive-aggressive” mode draining the happiness out of the room?
Mauricio came up with that great idea the very moment Elsa and Caramelo arrived at Elsa's flat. :) It happened a few days before Asunción's first visit and it was about Elsa's issues and JJ's doucheness.
Geez, I talk too much.
Aribeth, yes, you're right about the timing, I remember now. But, I still think that the reason for Mau's suggestion to limit contact with Limon/JJ was total relationship preservation. It was SELFISH in a way, but he wants to be away from all the "stuff" between JJ, Limon and Elsa. It depends on whether you think that constant silent or active disagreement harms children. There is something so frustrating about the vibes swirling around JJ, Limon and Elsa.
Aribeth, up till now Caramelo has been happy because she has had everyone. We know she wants everyone; that's never been in question. No one here or on the show even hinted Caramelo would only see the men every five years.
The problem comes in where Asunción never saw to the proper arrangements. He was always afraid someone would take her away from him -- because he was doing something wrong. He knew it.
He could have started straightening things out when Caramelo began school, because she had to have proper documents to be educated in public school. A very, very late wake-up call.
But no. He still did nothing. If she's miserable now, it's his fault. I don't feel sympathy for him; I feel sympathy for her. If she could be happy living with Elsa, then I was all for that.
He's made it impossible for Caramelo to be living with himself. So on to the next best thing -- and make the best of it without Asunción moping around making other people responsible for his deeds.
The problem comes in where Asunción never saw to the proper arrangements. He was always afraid someone would take her away from him -- because he was doing something wrong. He knew it.
He could have started straightening things out when Caramelo began school, because she had to have proper documents to be educated in public school. A very, very late wake-up call.
But no. He still did nothing. If she's miserable now, it's his fault. I don't feel sympathy for him; I feel sympathy for her. If she could be happy living with Elsa, then I was all for that.
He's made it impossible for Caramelo to be living with himself. So on to the next best thing -- and make the best of it without Asunción moping around making other people responsible for his deeds.
Everytime I go out and come back home I see you guys have had this great debate. Great stuff Jeri, Sandy and Aribeth!
Here's another part of the puzzle:
"Home Sweet Home - That house, whether it was an abandoned wreck or a remodeled mansion has been home to Caramelo for years - probably all that she can remember....not just a house ... a home. Along with the home come JJ, Limón and Chicles, all persons near and dear to her. Since she's been wih Elsa,she's been a carpet bagger in 2 places in a short time.
Kids go to sleepovers at their friends or even to summer camp for a month, but in the end, "There's no place like home." Many adults are strongly attached to their home
and all that it means to them; it's both tangible and intangible. For some people,a "Sense of Place" is extremely important. It is comforting. Caramelo needs consistency and comfort at this time. She is probably becoming confused and she senses the tension. It's complicated.
"Home Sweet Home - That house, whether it was an abandoned wreck or a remodeled mansion has been home to Caramelo for years - probably all that she can remember....not just a house ... a home. Along with the home come JJ, Limón and Chicles, all persons near and dear to her. Since she's been wih Elsa,she's been a carpet bagger in 2 places in a short time.
Kids go to sleepovers at their friends or even to summer camp for a month, but in the end, "There's no place like home." Many adults are strongly attached to their home
and all that it means to them; it's both tangible and intangible. For some people,a "Sense of Place" is extremely important. It is comforting. Caramelo needs consistency and comfort at this time. She is probably becoming confused and she senses the tension. It's complicated.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 8:05:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 8:05:00 PM EST
Floridia: Thanks for your kind words and I hope you get to visit more of México in the future, when hopefully things will get better. I think that if one abstains from going to the northern states, especially Tamaulipas and Chihuahua and also the states of Michoacán and Guerrero in the Pacific coast then there isn't much to worry. Some roads can be dangerous but the locals usually know when that's the case and can advice people on which ones should be avoided, it's best to travel by bus anyway.
Aribeth: I think it is. Univision is so messy but the one topic about Bárbara is the thing I was refering too. It's so unfair too, apparently it's all because of a cheating ex.
Vivi: I really hope Dora gets the chance someday to help JJ.
Jarocha
Aribeth: I think it is. Univision is so messy but the one topic about Bárbara is the thing I was refering too. It's so unfair too, apparently it's all because of a cheating ex.
Vivi: I really hope Dora gets the chance someday to help JJ.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 8:09:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 8:09:00 PM EST
Hi Everyone! Thanks Vivi, this recap is wonderful and the comments are great!
Regarding Caramelo, while I like Ascuncion I think Jeri is right, he's never made the effort to try and give Caramelo a better life than living on the street. That was okay for a grown man but it's no life for a little kid. Yes, he loves Caramelo but it wasn't enough to try to change things for her. It was a tough situation to get out of when he was poor and downtrodden but now he's filthy rich for Gawd's sake and he still isn't making the effort. Other people (Elsa and JJ) have done things for Caramelo, but Ascuncion just sits around the house. It's going to come back and bite him soon, maybe with Caramelo or maybe with Dora. Does he think she will settle for a layabout?
I don't see Mauricio with Mina (who I agree is darling). Mauricio had lots of opportunities with her already but the chemistry apparently wasn't there. But let's not forget we still have one eligible single guy left for Mina, that cutie who sleeps in his socks, Ramon. :)
I honestly thought that Yolanda might tell her secrets to Carlos, but then I realized she's shielded him for years so she won't be telling him anything.
Regarding Caramelo, while I like Ascuncion I think Jeri is right, he's never made the effort to try and give Caramelo a better life than living on the street. That was okay for a grown man but it's no life for a little kid. Yes, he loves Caramelo but it wasn't enough to try to change things for her. It was a tough situation to get out of when he was poor and downtrodden but now he's filthy rich for Gawd's sake and he still isn't making the effort. Other people (Elsa and JJ) have done things for Caramelo, but Ascuncion just sits around the house. It's going to come back and bite him soon, maybe with Caramelo or maybe with Dora. Does he think she will settle for a layabout?
I don't see Mauricio with Mina (who I agree is darling). Mauricio had lots of opportunities with her already but the chemistry apparently wasn't there. But let's not forget we still have one eligible single guy left for Mina, that cutie who sleeps in his socks, Ramon. :)
I honestly thought that Yolanda might tell her secrets to Carlos, but then I realized she's shielded him for years so she won't be telling him anything.
Yolanda cannot bring herself to tell Carlos that his father murdered his mother. She probably feels that he would simply freak out and kill Adolfo upon hearing the truth. That's one big secret right there. I have been under the impression that the other secret has more to do with why Yolando
stays with Adolfo - unrelated to
the Carlos secret.
stays with Adolfo - unrelated to
the Carlos secret.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 10:40:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 10:40:00 PM EST
Re - Roberto's death, I guess I am
disappointed that JJ will not get the opportunity and satisfaction
of looking into Roberto's eyes and
see his acknowledgement of the fact that he was finally caught and that he would pay dearly for his crime. Smeagol got off easy -
straight into la la land. I've read often in the papers that
relatives of murder victims do derive satisfaction from confronting the killer of a loved one. Personally, I don't know if
I could stand to see the face of
someone like that. I might think
the killer would not be worth looking at.
disappointed that JJ will not get the opportunity and satisfaction
of looking into Roberto's eyes and
see his acknowledgement of the fact that he was finally caught and that he would pay dearly for his crime. Smeagol got off easy -
straight into la la land. I've read often in the papers that
relatives of murder victims do derive satisfaction from confronting the killer of a loved one. Personally, I don't know if
I could stand to see the face of
someone like that. I might think
the killer would not be worth looking at.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 10:57:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 10:57:00 PM EST
Second part of the EY interview:
part 1
- Oh, a scene from CS93. Is it healthy that I love this show but in the meantime I'd like to kick Mejía's ass?
- Now he talks about his experiences in the United States. He made two Miami telenovelas (Marielena with Lucía Méndez and Guadalupe with Adela Noriega) but the genius quickly spent the money he earned. That was the time he met his second wife. (After having an affair with Adela Noriega - this isn't a rumor for a change, Adela admitted they had a relationship while they were making Guadalupe.) They were married for 7 years and if I recall correctly their divorce wasn't peaceful. Wasn't she the one who was suing for spousal support and hinted about domestic violence?
- Gabriel Soto says EY is one of the first Mexican pioneers who tried to make telenovelas and movies aboard.
- He had small roles in Striptease and Wild Things, and because of these movies he thought he could have a chance to build a hollywood career so he moved to Los Angeles. This separated him from his wife. Okey, here comes the part when he tries to explain why he and his ex wife can't stand each other. I still feel friendly towards her, blahblahblah. (Maybe I'm just cynical but in my book speeches like that mean "I hate that bitch.")
- He had a son from his first marriage whom he didn't have close relationship with for a long time. In the 2000's, when EY Jr. was a teenager their relationship changed; by that time he was living with his 100th girlfriend called Ana Carolina da Fonseca, a pretty and apparently really nice Brazilian model who encouraged him to approach the boy. Since then he's all about his son.
- Long, cheesy praises of fatherhood and how much he loves his son. FF->>
- The life and his career (acting school, and so on) in LA was very expensive. For two years he had no money and lived on loans. He desperately needed a well paid job.
part 1
- Oh, a scene from CS93. Is it healthy that I love this show but in the meantime I'd like to kick Mejía's ass?
- Now he talks about his experiences in the United States. He made two Miami telenovelas (Marielena with Lucía Méndez and Guadalupe with Adela Noriega) but the genius quickly spent the money he earned. That was the time he met his second wife. (After having an affair with Adela Noriega - this isn't a rumor for a change, Adela admitted they had a relationship while they were making Guadalupe.) They were married for 7 years and if I recall correctly their divorce wasn't peaceful. Wasn't she the one who was suing for spousal support and hinted about domestic violence?
- Gabriel Soto says EY is one of the first Mexican pioneers who tried to make telenovelas and movies aboard.
- He had small roles in Striptease and Wild Things, and because of these movies he thought he could have a chance to build a hollywood career so he moved to Los Angeles. This separated him from his wife. Okey, here comes the part when he tries to explain why he and his ex wife can't stand each other. I still feel friendly towards her, blahblahblah. (Maybe I'm just cynical but in my book speeches like that mean "I hate that bitch.")
- He had a son from his first marriage whom he didn't have close relationship with for a long time. In the 2000's, when EY Jr. was a teenager their relationship changed; by that time he was living with his 100th girlfriend called Ana Carolina da Fonseca, a pretty and apparently really nice Brazilian model who encouraged him to approach the boy. Since then he's all about his son.
- Long, cheesy praises of fatherhood and how much he loves his son. FF->>
- The life and his career (acting school, and so on) in LA was very expensive. For two years he had no money and lived on loans. He desperately needed a well paid job.
part 2
- So he decided to forget Hollywood career for a while and return to telenovelas. If I understand correctly even Gaby Spanic offered him help. Mejía asked him to play Osvaldo Ríos's role in Abrazame muy fuerte - he played Victoria Ruffo's lover and Aracely's father in the first episodes then he got killed. However, since he was still young enough to play protagonist roles and he needed higher salary he refused the job.
- In 2003 EY and Ana Carolina made a telenovela together called Te amaré en silencio. It was Univision's first telenovela and also EY's first telenovela since Guadalupe, and guys, it's crazy. In the interview they don't mention TAES, I guess it must be a new Televisa-Univision policy: Eva Luna is our first telenovela, TAES never existed, understood?! Btw, he still likes Ana Carolina much.
- When he was in the deepest shit economically Larrosa called him to play JJ's role in LVO. It was a risky decision since EY hasn't made a Televisa telenovela for 15 years and he didn't have the highest reputation either. First he was offered David's role but he said, no, I like the other, the callejero more.
- Oh, the first episodes from LVO, JJ with a beard and with a much humbler personality! *swoons* And Elsa's face. *wakes up* Thanks for ruining the moment.
- Galilea Montijo says EY enjoyed the shooting of LVO much and he was like an overacted, enthusiastic child on the set. He was everywhere: in front of the cameras, behind the cameras.
- Gabe Soto says again how much he likes him. Gabe is a cutey.
- And at last he had money.
- After finishing LVO Nicandro Díaz offered him Rodrigo's role in Destilando amor. Gaviotaaa va a regresaaar! He says the protagonist's selective impotence is a very romantic testament of his love for Gaviota. I for one think it was a ridiculous storyline.
- He talks about his mom - they can't spend much time together because no matter how much they love each other, after a few hours they get on each other's nerves, but he always tried to give her everything.
- So he decided to forget Hollywood career for a while and return to telenovelas. If I understand correctly even Gaby Spanic offered him help. Mejía asked him to play Osvaldo Ríos's role in Abrazame muy fuerte - he played Victoria Ruffo's lover and Aracely's father in the first episodes then he got killed. However, since he was still young enough to play protagonist roles and he needed higher salary he refused the job.
- In 2003 EY and Ana Carolina made a telenovela together called Te amaré en silencio. It was Univision's first telenovela and also EY's first telenovela since Guadalupe, and guys, it's crazy. In the interview they don't mention TAES, I guess it must be a new Televisa-Univision policy: Eva Luna is our first telenovela, TAES never existed, understood?! Btw, he still likes Ana Carolina much.
- When he was in the deepest shit economically Larrosa called him to play JJ's role in LVO. It was a risky decision since EY hasn't made a Televisa telenovela for 15 years and he didn't have the highest reputation either. First he was offered David's role but he said, no, I like the other, the callejero more.
- Oh, the first episodes from LVO, JJ with a beard and with a much humbler personality! *swoons* And Elsa's face. *wakes up* Thanks for ruining the moment.
- Galilea Montijo says EY enjoyed the shooting of LVO much and he was like an overacted, enthusiastic child on the set. He was everywhere: in front of the cameras, behind the cameras.
- Gabe Soto says again how much he likes him. Gabe is a cutey.
- And at last he had money.
- After finishing LVO Nicandro Díaz offered him Rodrigo's role in Destilando amor. Gaviotaaa va a regresaaar! He says the protagonist's selective impotence is a very romantic testament of his love for Gaviota. I for one think it was a ridiculous storyline.
- He talks about his mom - they can't spend much time together because no matter how much they love each other, after a few hours they get on each other's nerves, but he always tried to give her everything.
part 3
- Still talking about his mommy issues.
- One day he had lunch with Mejía and he got known his other side, a very determined man with a great sense of humor. EY asked if he remembered the day in 2000 when he told him he should dedicate himself for special appearances in telenovelas? Oh yeah, laughed Mejía, he does remember that.
- FELS. Gran éxito. And we remember the song Los hermanos Reyes sang. Dios mío. If you saw Guadalupe and Destilando where he gave serenades you know EY sounds like Shrek. However, Y me he equivocado turned out to be a nice song.
- Eduardo and his second wife called Francesca filed for divorce in 2002 or 2003 but the process took 6 years. Yeah, it was definitely an ugly and hard divorce.
- We have 13 minutes left of the interview and there's only one telenovela left to talk about. 2009, Corazón salvaje. Geez, it must be a very touchy topic for him and he sounds very, very defensive.
- 06:00-06:02 LOOOOL!
- He was just thinking about taking a long break when he was offered this role. He says it was his most important role, the hardest challenge, the highest salary, the longest preparation - and it was the least rewarding role. Yes, we know, the press and the viewers hated it.
- His son is definitely belongs to the facebook/twitter/myspace generation, last year he took nude photos of himself and it somehow ended up on the internet. EY just laughed at people who screamed scandal and said come on, he's a handsome kid.
part 4
- Francesca keeps famewhoring, EY keeps pretending their relationship was great.
- Talks about Ana Carolina again, they were together for 5 years, she was the love of his life, and so on. However, there was a huge age gap between them.
- He isn't proud of himself because he couldn't achieve many things he wanted, but he is very proud of his career. His career wasn't a gift, he worked for it.
My verdict: you're an interesting guy with a very difficult personality, aren't you. Forget Hollywood, it's hopeless. Make Mexican movies and more telenovelas.
- Still talking about his mommy issues.
- One day he had lunch with Mejía and he got known his other side, a very determined man with a great sense of humor. EY asked if he remembered the day in 2000 when he told him he should dedicate himself for special appearances in telenovelas? Oh yeah, laughed Mejía, he does remember that.
- FELS. Gran éxito. And we remember the song Los hermanos Reyes sang. Dios mío. If you saw Guadalupe and Destilando where he gave serenades you know EY sounds like Shrek. However, Y me he equivocado turned out to be a nice song.
- Eduardo and his second wife called Francesca filed for divorce in 2002 or 2003 but the process took 6 years. Yeah, it was definitely an ugly and hard divorce.
- We have 13 minutes left of the interview and there's only one telenovela left to talk about. 2009, Corazón salvaje. Geez, it must be a very touchy topic for him and he sounds very, very defensive.
- 06:00-06:02 LOOOOL!
- He was just thinking about taking a long break when he was offered this role. He says it was his most important role, the hardest challenge, the highest salary, the longest preparation - and it was the least rewarding role. Yes, we know, the press and the viewers hated it.
- His son is definitely belongs to the facebook/twitter/myspace generation, last year he took nude photos of himself and it somehow ended up on the internet. EY just laughed at people who screamed scandal and said come on, he's a handsome kid.
part 4
- Francesca keeps famewhoring, EY keeps pretending their relationship was great.
- Talks about Ana Carolina again, they were together for 5 years, she was the love of his life, and so on. However, there was a huge age gap between them.
- He isn't proud of himself because he couldn't achieve many things he wanted, but he is very proud of his career. His career wasn't a gift, he worked for it.
My verdict: you're an interesting guy with a very difficult personality, aren't you. Forget Hollywood, it's hopeless. Make Mexican movies and more telenovelas.
Thanks for the great recap Vivi.
Thank you for the links Jeri.
Really enjoyed reading everyone's fantastic comments.
Margaret
Thank you for the links Jeri.
Really enjoyed reading everyone's fantastic comments.
Margaret
Permalink posted by : Monday, January 17, 2011 at 2:41:00 PM EST
: Monday, January 17, 2011 at 2:41:00 PM EST
Jarocha, enjoy DF and your studies and please comment when you have time. Your comments are always so informed and interesting/
Aribeth, thanks for answering a lot of questions I've had about E Y's career. Thank goodness for Larossa reviving it. Too bad E Y never had a role in the the USA in a TV series like Sex in the City where he would definitely have been appreciated by the females and maybe that might have led to other things. His accent, however, is a bit heavy. C S was better to me then a lot of novelas but you had to get through the beginning to enjoy it and I suppose most people gave up on it too soon.
GinCA
Aribeth, thanks for answering a lot of questions I've had about E Y's career. Thank goodness for Larossa reviving it. Too bad E Y never had a role in the the USA in a TV series like Sex in the City where he would definitely have been appreciated by the females and maybe that might have led to other things. His accent, however, is a bit heavy. C S was better to me then a lot of novelas but you had to get through the beginning to enjoy it and I suppose most people gave up on it too soon.
GinCA
Permalink posted by : Monday, January 17, 2011 at 9:28:00 PM EST
: Monday, January 17, 2011 at 9:28:00 PM EST
Aribeth, thanks for the coverage of the EY interview. Wow, he and Ana Carolina made a gorgeous couple. And I felt the chemistry between EY and Adela on FELS was sensational. Bottomline for me, I do admire his work ethic among other things and I'm looking forward to his next project.
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