Wednesday, February 16, 2011

La Verdad Oculta EP106 02/15/2011 –Too much verdad oculta, aka the world starts to collapse



* After the uncomfortable interlude Abelardo, who knows there are a few photos in Mario’s locker, saves the day. He and David storm into the study where Abe shows Blondie Slutty Gaby’s, I mean, Marta’s photo. David is shocked, unbelieveable, she looks like his wife! Did Abelardo know her? No, he started to work for Mario many years later. FaustiMario and Gaby go into the study and look at the beautiful photos of Marta: Fausto with pain and grief, Gaby with amazement and sadness. Did Mario’s wife know about their affair? No, she was very sick and he never dare say her anything. And what about Carlos, did Mario know about him? Err… Yes, he learned about Marta’s son lately.



* In the dining room Abelardo and David talk about his future in the Genovés villa: he could live in Alejandra’s room and Caramelo could occupy Bertha’s. Humble Abe is afraid of neglecting his obligations but Dave convinces him that he’s part of the family. All right, tomorrow he’ll move in! Valentín calls Édgar to tell him about the “professional” Dante sent after him and the important objects he owns.

* Abelardo shyly approaches to the Victoria household where he, Alejandra and Juan José tell Asunción at last about the newest adoption plan. Asunción gets very nervous and worried but they calm him down: it will be temporary, and Caramelo will live in the Genovés villa. By the way, why doesn’t he move into the house with Caramelo?



*At Yolanda’s she and her muñeco talk about Carlos’s newest best friends and the famous trefoil ring. Yolanda never told him the importance of it. She feigns ignorance and tries to change the subject. What does he plan to do now that he gets along with David and Juan José? He’s going to… wait for it… destroy his father! In the meantime Carmelo arrives at the warehouse where armed Édgar and Valentín are waiting for him. Eddie has has an offer that he could never refuse.

*In the design studio Mina and Alejandra talk about Carlos. Poor boy, he doesn’t know his father killed his mother, and Bertha left him for Adolfo! It turns out Mina would happily console him. He’s so cute, he’s even more handsome than Ale’s bombón! Oh, no, no, no, laughs Ale. Nobody is more handsome than her bombón. The (fan)girls giggle and a great idea comes into Ale’s mind: she, Mina, JJ and Carlos could have a dinner together.

* In the garden Gaby and David also talk about Carlos and their mother. Since he’s very impulsive, they should never tell him how Marta died. He may do something stupid and they don’t want him to get harmed. Actually, she has forgiven him, everyone commits mistakes and he repented for them. Yolanda calls David to ask him never to tell Carlos the real importance of the trefoil ring, she only told him it was proof of smuggling, and of course, he must never learn what happened to Marta! *Viewerville: wait, is Carlos the new Gabriela?*



* In the warehouse the three goons get along very well. Édgar take picture of Carmelo and the shoes and shows him the shiny stones he has. A new triumvirate is about to rise.



* In a restaurant Gaby tells Yolanda Mario gave her a picture of her mother. She was very pretty. Yes, she was, and she was very talented, but to be honest, the people didn’t go to the theatre to watch Marta or Yolanda, they wanted to see Gabriela’s father. Does Yolanda mean Santiago Guzmán? Come on girl, he’s her real father, he raised her! Gaby mentions Carlos’s visit. How on Earth didn’t her father know that Marta had another child? Because she abandoned him when he was born and gave him to Yolanda. Gabriela is about to say her mother was a whore when Yolanda begs her not to judge Marta. She already paid for her mistakes. Everyone committed mistakes! And Gabriela, please don’t tell Carlos that Adolfo killed Marta. *Viewerville: yes, definitely the new Gabriela*

* Sleepless Sugar Daddy is fuming in his bed when Yolanda, the only person who’s worried about his well being, shows up in the condo. She’s afraid their world will collapse soon. She confesses him she told Carlos who his mother was, but she didn’t tell him about the circumstances of her death. And there’s one more thing: Gabriela is Mario’s daughter. Unfortunately Adolfo puts two and two together and realizes that the waitresses’ father is Santiago Guzmán. Yolanda tries to deny it but Adolfo explodes and manhandles her. Stupid woman! Slap! Why didn’t she tell him?! Because he has the biggest ego on Earth! And how long does Mario know about Santiago’s true identity? For months. Adolfo says if he had known the girls were Santiago’s daughters he would’ve never sent them to Los Angeles. Yes, Yolanda tried to stop him but she should’ve told him the truth. She admits she lied about them because she was afraid Adolfo would send Santiago to jail. But no, Adolfo wouldn’t have done that; he would’ve taken advantage of that information. He grabs Yolanda’s hair and asks her if Gaby knows who’s her real father is. Yolanda doesn’t know… Bertha, who heard the shouts, enters the room and asks if something happened. Yolanda leaves, Sugar Daddy and Handmaiden have another dangerous conversation about Mario. She tells Adolfo about Fausto’s strange visits a few months ago, her uncle’s gruff behaviour after the accident, the close relationship between Fausto and Mario… And it’s strange that Fausto never showed up in the Genovés villa since the wedding.



* Dinner time. In the Genovés villa Gaby and David agree they shouldn’t tell Carlos about Marta’s death. *Viewerville: yawn, seriously* In a restaurant Alejandra, Juan José, Mina and Carlos have great time together. The girls tell the boys they didn’t like each other when they met at the university, actually, Mina found Ale arrogant *Viewerville: why are we not surprised*, but later they became great friends. Carlos and Mina realize they live near to each other and decide to go to cinema one day.



*In the Ávila condo Adolfo spills some beans to Bertha about the women Mario “killed”. She gave birth to Mario’s child and she married to an actor. Bertha remembers back the day when she saw Mario visiting Marta’s tomb. And Gaby’s father also visited that tomb! *Viewerville: come on Bertha, try to put two and two together* And did Mario really kill that woman? Yes. Why? He did it because of jealousy.

* In the ladies’ restroom Mina keeps fangirling about Carlos. Next morning Carmelo, who’s dressed up like a creepy insurance agent, shows up at the Casa Genovés and wants to talk with Mario. Since Sr. Genovés left early, he sends him a message: licenciado (lawyer) Silverio Rodriguez came to talk about Gabriela’s shoes and gives shocked Abelardo a business card.



* At AFI Ramón tells Leo the police found the cadaver of a woman, no, it isn’t Zaida’s, who’s disappeared, but Susana Gómez’s. The dental records prove the poor girl is dead. But the report doesn’t mention the shoes and the jewels, she surely was killed for them. In the meantime Limón and Little Miss Sunshine arrive at the Palace Genovés which they like much.



* In the prison Leonardo visits Marcos, who looks dashingly handsome despite the circumstances, and tells him Susana was murdered... quite brutally. Was it Roberto Zárate? No, he’s already dead. Then who did it? And why? And why her?!



*In the tunnel house a very anxious Abelardo tells Fausto, who’s just about to remove his mask, that Adolfo is calling him, he has to answer him! Adolfo is going to his house because they have to talk about Santiago Guzmán, the father of his daughter-of-law… or her daughter. Uh-oh. Abelardo runs back to the Genovés villa and twenty minutes later he manages to keep Adolfo from entering the study. Triumphant Adolfo tells David that either the Genovéses forget the breaking of the association, or he’ll give Santiago Guzmán up to the police and he’ll tell Gabriela the truth! But David isn’t in the mood to tolerate Dolphie’s threats and he kicks the Grinch out of the house. After getting rid of one threat, Abelardo tells David about the another: a man came to talk about Sra. Gabriela’s shoes. What?



Aribeth

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Thanks, Aribeth! :-) Here are the You Tube links for Episode 106:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5
 

Boy, I must say we've got some "world class" parenting going on now don't we? Always a great idea to send a kid from the frying pan right into the fire... where the guy who kidnapped her can barge right into the house. Why didn't anyone think of placing Caramelo with Mauricio? Guess that would have been too... oh, I don't know... safe? Responsible? (deep, heavy sigh).

I hate Edgar. I was really hoping Susana was still alive. Any good feelings I had for the guy for sparing Yolanda and the kids is gone now. For all her faults I really liked Susana.
 

Thanks, Jeri.

People who kidnapped Caramelo could barge into Elsa's home, too. But at least in the Genovés villa there are 4 very caring adults (+3 at JJ's) who can take care of the child and prevent further harm. I'm not sure it would be so much better for Caramelo to spend half the day with a babysitter while daddy Mau is working.

And Mauricio wanted to take Caramelo away from Asunción and Juan José. We can talk about the child's best interest, Elsa's parenting or the quality of Mau's relationship with Elsa for hours - but at the end of the day he wanted to get rid of the Victoria family because that was more comfortable than trying to cooperate with them and calm them down. I hardly dare mention the fact that the adoption was meant to be temporary because Asunción and JJ never gave up on the child, and both Elsa and Mau knew that.

Abelardo would never do that. He isn't a lonely girl who's longing for a family and doesn't think that a child's hug and whim mean "I want you to adopt me and take me away from my imperfect but beloved uncles".
 

Thanks for the links Jeri!

Wonderful title Aribeth, as were your pictures.

I have to admit being a little concerned that the Genovés villa might have more of an "open door" policy than I'm comfortable with. Uninvited, unwanted visitors have been barging in (Adolfo) literally at will. I'd like to see the armed guards back...

xintperuvian, I was in complete denial that Edgar killed Susana. It wasn't until Leo gave Marcos the terrible news that I realized she really was dead. I thought he concocted some brillant ruse. Ack. In sparing Caramelo and Chicles' lives, I conveniently forgot he is a psychopath. Blech...

On a much brighter note, Carlos and Mina! I was smiling through their dinner scene. Much attraction in the air, no?

I can't wait to read your recap Aribeth.

Diana
 

the Genovés villa might have more of an "open door" policy than I'm comfortable with

I agree, it's very irritating. However, the Genovés villa is just as unguarded as the other houses and flats of this telenovela. JJ entered the Ávila condo, Zaida and Eddie entered Elsa's flat many times, the tunnel house is a railway station, Rob entered the Guillén flat, Zaida entered JJ's house, Chicles stole Garnica's suitcase... And so on.
It seems there is only one flat that cannot be invaded without a heartfelt invitation: Ulises's. :)
 

Yep. It seems that Eddie had no problem getting rid of Susana. The no killing kids policy does not extend to women (he's not sleeping with).

So now we have Eddie, Valentin and Carmelo united to stir things up. Should be interesting. Somehow I see them turning on each other. That's not a comfortable alliance.

This episode was all about making sure Carlos does not find our Adolfo killed his mother, which leads me to believe that there will eventually be a huge blow up between the two. A real to the death kind of fight, and I think next time Carlos will bring a gun. Not a spoiler, just an educated assumption. I still don't think Carlos will be the one who kills Adolfo though, if his ultimate redemption is to happen.

I had to LOL when Abelardo came over to JJ's to tell them he had accepted being Cara's guardian. NO ONE had told Limon! Ale and JJ have a real problem with sharing important info witht he relevant people where Cara is concerned.

Aribeth- I have to disagree with one little point. Cara has no problem being taken from her uncles, Cara has a probelm being taken from Asusncion. Period. He is the important one. All the other people, including JJ and Elsa, are nice accessories. But Limon is the most important part of the equation. Moving to the Genoves house, WITH Limon, was the best solution (if even temporary), and Cara was perfectly happy to do so.

Mina and Carlos-- Yay! :)

Bertha needs to keep her big mouth shut. She is giving Adolfo too many clues that will help him uncover the truth about FaustiMario. Once again she saw Adolfo's violent side as he roughed up Yolanda, and she seemed perfectly content remaining a part of his world. I've written her off.
 

Aribeth, thanks for the vivid,
descriptive, menacing title and all else that you do. I am still
heartbroken and in denial about Susana; I keep wondering if that
identification was positive or
possibly erroneus; however, since she is a minor character, I guess there is not much time to resurrect her once again.

Xlntperuvian: I hate Edgar too!
He is a cold blooded mass murderer
with the exception of Yolanda and the kids. Susana spent all that time recovering in the hospital and was then instantly snuffed out.
I suppose she should have told all to the police originally, but that tactic does not always end well either.

Up until now,I did not think that
Adolfo would physically harm Yolanda, but again WRONG! He has mentally damaged her for years.
I'm guessing he saved her from a terrible fate early on and she has
been indebted to him ever since.
Notice how she still cares for his well being even though she knows what a monster he is...(she took away his cigarette).

To all of you who are oohing and aahing over Carlos, I would not
want a loved one of mine hooking up with him at all -- way too much baggage. I'll grant you that he had a terrible upbringing, but
he's had horrible habits for years
such as abusing women like Gabriela
and others, and these habits die
hard. I think that there is too much glossing over his faults, but
there again, the novela must wrap up. Watch out, Mina! He may be cute, but he will need therapy for years.

Abelardo - a Man for All Seasons!
He works hard for the money.
 

Good morning. :-) Woo, I knew people were going to be upset with Édgar this morning. LOL
 

Vivi - Re Bertha, a definite write off! Not to be believed or trusted at any cost (and remember that she swore on the memory of her beloved mother that she would be a loyal family member and reject Adolfo way back when).
 

Aribeth: "It seems there is only one flat that cannot be invaded without a heartfelt invitation: Ulises's. :)" Well said! Yes, you are certainly right there! LOL...

Vivi: "The no killing kids policy does not extend to women (he's not sleeping with)". Sadly, yes. I don't think Carlos will kill Adolfo (isn't there an unwritten telenova rule children don't kill their parents? (Although some certainly have cause).

Bertha is dead to me.

Diana
 

Good Morning all. Aribeth, can't wait for your recap.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one through with Bertha. I thought why don't you just make Adolfo's life easy and kill your tio, primo (and his wife) and hermana (and her husband) because all your chatting could put all those people at risk. And we know Adolfo will kill all of them if given the chance. Wow, I'm just amazed she is so thoughtless!

Oh, poor Susana. I know Eddie's crazy but I'm still disappointed.

Hooray Carlos and Mina.
 

A question for the Experts ?

Whatever happened to the analysis of the blood found at the
kidnapping sight? If it's Yolanda's blood, that should be enough to incriminate Adolfo.
 

Ok, recap is up; thank you, Aribeth!!
 

Thanks for the comments! :)

Screencaps:
link

I can't believe poor Susana's dead! :((

Vivi:
This episode was all about making sure Carlos does not find our Adolfo killed his mother

And the 10th "we must not tell Carlos the truth" conversation made me seriously frustrated and bored. :) I hope Carlos won't kill his father. That would cause horrible wounds.

I had to LOL when Abelardo came over to JJ's to tell them he had accepted being Cara's guardian.

I LOLed, too, but after all, all they did was just waiting for Abelardo's final answer. Asunción has every right to know about the social worker's visit, but they wanted to tell him the good news (and avoid a night of crying).

All the other people, including JJ and Elsa, are nice accessories. But Limon is the most important part of the equation.

I agree, that's why I had a theory several weeks ago that for Caramelo her new mommy, daddy and name were nothing more but shiny new toys.
But since Limón likes to live near to his favourite, silly stepbrother, Caramelo will have two uncles for a very long time. (That was Mau's problem. Asunción = JJ, JJ and Elsa in the same planet = disturbance in the Force. :))

Floridia:
Good question. Unfortunately I don't know the answer.
 

Aribeth: This sparkled and shone. Brightly. Your descriptive phrases had me smiling or grimly agreeing, depending on the topic. You were on top of your game today!

So many wonderful expressions: "Blondie Slutty Gaby’s", "He’s going to… wait for it… destroy his father!", "*Viewerville: wait, is Carlos the new Gabriela?*" and my favorite: "A new triumvirate is about to rise." Excellent!

I'm still in shock that Susana is dead. She was always in over her head and out of her league, but I foolishly thought her Bonnie to Edgar's Clyde might have had a happier ending. Now, I won't even wince when Edgar meets his end...

Loved David throwing Adolfo out so forcefully. Our little band of actors and imposters better band together to try and keep the illusions intact for a while longer.

Please don't foget about Elsa! How much longer must she languish in jail? Ack.

Thanks again Aribeth. Simply stellar.

Diana
 

...that's why I had a theory several weeks ago that for Caramelo her new mommy, daddy and name were nothing more but shiny new toys...

That's still incorrect. :-) The hygiene, schooling, healthy food, security and all the proper things a child should have and that Elsa gave her are part of Caramelo's life forever.

Not even comparable in a stretch to being just new toys. Juan José did not give her a bath or send her to school, feed her properly or adopt her -- let alone did Asunción not do so. Caramelo is never going back to that.
 

Those things were given to her before the adoption, I was talking about the Sims 3 family picture they had after the adoption and Caramelo's point of view. :) Of course Elsa gave her stability and love but she appreciates the company of Asunción more than the name María del Carmen or the joy of being equal to Angie.

JJ didn't fed her properly? She was allowed to eat junk food sometimes, but Caramelo spent many-many weeks far from Elsa and she didn't become sick, so I guess there were no problems with her meals. The same goes to bathing, JJ took care of the kids' hygiene. If you are talking about the first days in the ruined house: come on, they all were dirty and they were looking for a treasure. Just because it was Elsa who taught Caramelo about bathing first, it doesn't mean JJ would've let her remain a dirty little beggar forever.
 

Jeri- I agree that all of the other folks in her life are having a profound affect on Caramelo; and Elsa and Cara's unseen teachers at school, have been the primary people who have taken into their hands the job of molding Caramelo into a productive, educated Mexican citizen. JJ has taken it into his hands to make her into a pampered princess- toys and anything else at her whim. She will never be the same, and will never want to go back to the streets, because of these experiences and these people. But the stable force in her life is Limon. While all of these other things/people shift and change, she relies on that one thing/person to remain in place. So that's what I meant. They are all of importance, but I would not put JJ at the same level of importance as Limon in her life. I actually think JJ is as full of himself as we've accused Elsa of being, for putting himself on the same level of importance to Caramelo as Limon.
 

I actually think JJ is as full of himself as we've accused Elsa of being, for putting himself on the same level of importance to Caramelo as Limon.

Caramelo showed great love for both Elsa and JJ, and that made them very confused.
Elsa thought Caramelo really wanted to start a new life with her, and JJ thought Caramelo loved him just as much as Limón. I don't blame either of them. Elsa had to realise that Caramelo wanted Asunción the most and she finally accepted it in episode 99. JJ didn't have to face such hard moments, because he's lucky enough for living with Asunción.
 

I like Psycho Eddie so much, I think he had his compra, police friend, alter the report to put in Susana's name....maybe, I hope so. Maybe he paid him a lot of money. I hate to think I've been pulled into his brutal ruse.

I can't figure out why Yolanda had to tell Adolfo that Gabriela was Mario's daughter. Did she figure he wouldn't make the connection to Santiago Guzman? Now she is putting her muneco's sister's surrogate father at risk. That's why she never told Adolfo all those years, because she didn't want Santiago going to prison.

Mina for Carlos. Bertha is so unworthy of Carlos.

Aribeth, funny and informative as usual. Jeri thanks for the links.

Gotta run but will be back.

GinCA
 

Caramelo made it to age eight on street food without dying, but that's no recommendation for Juan José to continue it.

Not food, not hygiene, not school not anything proper was done for her before Elsa took over.

I object to good people who sincerely aided Caramelo being compared to "shiny new toys." Pick something else; how about it.
 

GinCA, Leonardo said they matched her dental records. If Édgar were going to have an insider switch the identity, they'd have to get dental records for that other person, or?
 

Caramelo made it to age eight on street food without dying, but that's no recommendation for Juan José to continue it.

Was she fed with street food by JJ? Was Elsa who took care of the girl for the first time? I clearly remember that after meeting them the first thing JJ did was giving her his bed. Two episodes later he brought water from a faraway park and tried to make her take a bath but she objected. Obviously he wouldn't let her object forever. It was him, not Elsa, who started to take care of the girl. Slowly, step by step.
Then Elsa came and added her help, a new dress, love and others.

I just don't agree that JJ is pictured as the neglect big brother who treated Caramelo like a cute dog. Actually, it was Juan José who thinked about schooling Caramelo first, not Elsa! Episode 29.
 

Juan José may have thought about it, but it was Elsa who did it. It was she who had the conversation with Caramelo at her own old apartment about how nice it is to be clean.

And Elsa who took her to school; it was through school Caramelo learned about healthy food and then picked at it at the hotel when Elsa was telling her to finish her milk and fruit.
 

Juan José may have thought about it, but it was Elsa who did it.

Because she was their friend who helped them to find a proper school. Division of labour.
 

Not a division of labor, because no labor was going on after Juan José found the treasure. He didn't have two broken legs or brain damage and couldn't do it himself.

Elsa helps because she's a good person; she helped Piedad. Juan José didn't have two broken legs and couldn't take her himself.

I have no great predisposition toward Elsa; but I don't have a personal disdain for her.

And I never had any particular antipathy toward Asunción until after he became wealthy and made the person he loved most and everybody else miserable by being a lazy bum and whining for everyone to do his duty for him.
 

He wanted to send her school and he accepted Elsa's help, which wasn't a sin. If Elsa hadn't helped him then he would've solved the problem by himself. The same goes to bathing. JJ gave Caramelo some time to get used to the thought of water and soap. In the meantime Elsa managed to convince Caramelo about the importance of hygiene. She was quicker. If Elsa hadn't spoken with Cara, then after a short grace period JJ would've told her that it was great to be clean.

As for healthy food, yes, that was Elsa's and the teachers' achievement because they guys didn't know much about it. But it doesn't mean Caramelo was eating food from the dustbin, it means she didn't eat _enough_ fruits. That isn't good for a child but she wasn't poisoned either.

I don't deny the good things Elsa did at all, but you make it sound like that if JJ hadn't had Elsa around him, Caramelo would've become a dirty, illiterate teenager. I don't agree with that. Yes, maybe she would've become a problematic teenager because she didn't have a strict, sensible mother figure (until the wedding), but she would've been schooled properly, she would've been teached about hygiene, and probably one day the guys would've learned about healthy food, too. Anyway, in the school she was thought about it.

Elsa's biggest achievements were being Caramelo's first mother figure and giving her more stability when she was living with her. Those are things that nobody else could've given to Caramelo by that time.
 

Aribeth, I have no idea what Juan José would have been able to do for Caramelo, with Asunción swaying him to do what he wanted; i.e., not send her to school, not get her taken away, etc. Up till now, Asunción has wrapped Juan José around his finger.

I also don't know what you meant to accomplish by comparing Elsa and Mauricio to "nothing but shiny new toys," if you didn't mean to disrespect them. It's unwarranted; especially when the dull old toy has it coming more.
 

Excellent recap as always Aribeth. So Edgar did kill Susana. I'm shocked. I thought he would spare her like he spared Yolanda and the kids. Oh well he has sealed his doom to die me thinks.

I couldn't believe that Yolanda would tell Adolfo about the latest developments after he had her kidnapped and nearly killed. What was she thinking? And motormouth Bertha just gave Adolfo more ammo. Ugh.

So Limon will live at the Genovés household with Caremelo? Is that correct?
 

Aribeth & Jeri, Awesome! I love
it! Two very strong women debaters! I am still clinging desperately to the hope that Psycho Ed was able to fake all
of the identity records and that Susana is still alive. I'm in BIG DENIAL of her cruel, grotesque murder. Poor Marcos,he was immediately hoping that she
did not suffer by dying instantly.
Just yesterday, I was posting and lobbying for a resurrection of the romance and a time-served adjudication for Marcos.

One funny moment: Adolfo taking
his medicine - perhaps a metaphor
for a much bitter dose to follow.

Thanks to all for the lively discussion.
 

When JJ wanted to send Caramelo to school and Asunción couldn't stop him, actually, he easily convinced him that the fake papers would prevent the state from taking the kid away from them.
The beginning of the adoption storyline was a different situation. JJ and Asunción had a stupid, sudden idea for I don't know, 12 hours. But we have no proof of that they would've kept Caramelo at home forever.

When I first mentioned toys, we were talking about Caramelo's first enthusiasm when she arrived at Elsa's flat. I was talking about Mauricio's idea of distancing from JJ and Asunción. You said look, she's mad about this new life, she wants to stay there, it won't be hard to get used to the situation. I said she would've showed the same enthusiasm if she had been given a new toy, let's wait what she says a few days later. A few days later: "Tío Asunción, Tío Asunción, Tío Asunción."

I wasn't degrading Elsa. I did talk about her with disdain many times, but when it comes to Caramelo I never denied she was a great parent. Never denied that Caramelo deserved a proper family, something better than the crazy illegal situation she had for a long time. Never denied Elsa did much for her.

I just didn't think it was only Elsa (and Mau) who could've given Caramelo a good upbringing, and I definitely deny that JJ would've completely ruined her life.

And I'm not happy about Elsa's bad luck and imprisonment at all. When my Psycho Eddie framed her I stopped loving him.
 

Floridia:
I am still clinging desperately to the hope that Psycho Ed was able to fake all of the identity records and that Susana is still alive. I'm in BIG DENIAL of her cruel, grotesque murder.

Me, too! :) It's such an awful way to get rid of an overall nice character. I think the writers would've showed her death since it would've been a very powerful scene.
 

Pirate Babe, I was amazed at the font of information Bertha served up to Adolfo, too; she's very useful to him.

Floridia, I also have questions about Susana's fate; sure Édgar is capable of it, but I thought he was wanting out of that stuff.

On the other hand, he said yesterday he has a wife and three kids (two boys and a girl), so maybe he's just looking out for them.

Aribeth, however you came by the expression, since then you've been denigrating Elsa and Mauricio as "nothing more than shiny new toys." If it's not supposed to sound denigrating, then it shouldn't quack like a duck.

I would have loved it if Caramelo could be happy with Elsa and Mauricio; Juan José's relationship with Caramelo was a big blank and Asunción couldn't get up off the couch to help her. Kids get over stuff, and the character's not that important. No big deal.
 

It seems I have to pull the language card for the first time, since English isn't my mother language. By "for Caramelo her new mommy, daddy and name were nothing more but shiny new toy" I meant from her point of view, and I forgot to mention the enthusiasm part. My bad.

Objectively Elsa (and Mau) meant much more for her. Subjectively she also meant more for her since Caramelo loves people much, much, much (x100000) more than objects. But when we were talking about it, she's just arrived at Elsa's flat and she was like "look, I have a mom and dad, and a name, and dresses, how cool!"

I agree with Vivi, she loves many people, but she loves Asunción the most, therefore others are accessories. From her point of view, again. It's good to be with them as long as Limón is also around, but she has no idea how much they did for her.
 

Carmelo as a "creepy insurance agent", and Carlos being the new Gabi. LOL Aribeth! :)

I liked what Abelardo said when David's first instinct was to hide the photos of Marta from Gabi-- the senora is sufficiently mature enough to handle it. Well said. She has proven that over and over again. Time to tell her 100% of the truth. Carlos however... I am in total agreement with Gabi that he is impulsive (like David she said) and would likely do something stupid. But, everyone deserves to know the truth. That's what this whole novela is about! Uncovering hidden truths.
 

Aribeth, your English is amazing. I don't think you're having a language problem with that. You were always pro-the men and anti-Elsa.

I didn't really care about either and thought Asunción was ok until he turned out to be not just a homeless individual, but an actual bum who was essentially not interested in Caramelo's welfare, rather his own.

Caramelo can't help it if she's attached to the person she's been with the longest. The only reason she wasn't happy at Elsa's is that she was written that way. They certainly didn't develop her relationship with Juan José.
 

Oh, I also liked Gabi's reaction when she first saw the photo of Marta. It was a touching scene between her and FaustiMario. Gabi actually didn't first notice that she looks just like Marta. Just that she was her mom, and she was beautiful. But isn't that always the way when people say we look just like someone? We are always the ones who can immediately spot the major differences. And of course, there is the huge difference in their personalities, and the way they carry themselves, as everyone points out. Marta, as we have seen in flashbacks, was flirty, larger than life, and flashy. Gabi only seems like Marta when she gets angry.
 

Vivi, I'm really kind of worried that someone will press a DNA test -- and there's none available!

Right now most people don't even know they'd have to exhume a body; and what's more, it was badly burned.

Mario has no other kids; his sister's body could be exhumed I guess. And Alejandra and Bertha carry Mario's family DNA.
 

Jeri:
Thanks for the compliment.
However, I didn't even say that Elsa and Mau were toys. I said "mommy" and "daddy" which meant the very first notion of having mom, dad, a classic family. Okay, obviously it wasn't unequivocal but it couldn't be interpreted only one way either.
I'm pro-men because I defend them when I feel the accusations against them are exaggerated, and yeah, I sound like I was in totally in love with them. Others defend Elsa when they feel my accusastions against her are exaggerated. :) I wasn't always anti-Elsa, and just because I don't like her and I think her character wasn't developed much, I'm not saying she's an object. I explained what was in my mind at least four times, and believe me, it wasn't about saying one thing but changing my mind later and saying another thing to whitewash myself. Next time I'll choose my words more carefully to sound less dubious. End of story. :)

They certainly didn't develop her relationship with Juan José.

And with Alejandra... Big mistakes.

Vivi:
They are all right, Carlos is an impulsive boy and he should've been told a truth on an island, far away from Adolfo. It was just hard to listen to the many conversations about Carlos and Marta in the same episode. At least Fausto and David were talking about Gabriela in different episodes. :)

Oh, I also liked Gabi's reaction when she first saw the photo of Marta.

That was a beautiful scene, I loved it.
 

Aribeth, yes, it could be the end of the story -- unless you push the toy button again. :-)
 

Aribeth, just read the recap.
You outdid yourself with the details and the gorgeous,
revealing photos. I agree with Jeri that your English is AMAZING!
I also agree that MARCOS looked
exceptionally handsome. I wasn't
crazy about him in the beginning -
too punkish I guess, but he has grown on me; I love the way he demonstrates such tender affection for Susana.
 

Floridia, Marcos looked fabulous; so fabulous that I had to laugh. That was no prison coiffure, and his jumpsuit collar was starched and standing up, very sexy. LOL
 

By the way, when my big family gets together, we have many extended and heated "verbal discussions," and each and every one of them knows that he or she is always right.
 

Ahh, just push it: esTOY aquí, quierendote, ahogandome, entre fotos y cuandernos, lalalalalala :)))

Floridia, thank you! :) I see how many grammar mistakes I commit every day but it gets better - thanks to caray, the recapping and the commenting. I always save Vivi's and Jeri's recaps to learn new expressions.

I wasn't crazy about him in the beginning - too punkish I guess, but he has grown on me; I love the way he demonstrates such tender affection for Susana.

The same here, and now I'm really curious about the actor's other roles. Well, I've already saw him naked, so... :)
link
 

I have to adjust my brain when I suddenly remember he was married to Niurka Marcos -- boing boing.
 

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I didn't know that.
But Niurka wasn't that... well... strange by that time.
 

Oh, gawd, yes; she was. They two had a reality TV show together with their children. You can probably find it somewhere.
 

Leave it to me to miss the best day ever on LVO....incredible discussion between two very bright women. I'm so very glad that I took the leap and started a midnight novela, great decision on my part! (Ha, nothing like patting yourself on the back!!)

I'm afraid the episode and Aribeth's recap will be enjoyed later tonight! I can't wait to see Carlos and Mina together! I'm SICK that Susana is dead (?).....

Floridia, have you started your packing?
 

Aribeth & Jeri, What is with Niurka? She has a pretty face and
certainly flaunts her wares. I saw her on Mira Quién Baila and could not stand her.

Sandy,

We missed your input today.
I have begun to pack; will do more tonight; muchos cosas hacer.
Whenever I go away, I have 100's of things to do before I leave.
 

Aribeth, loved the title. It captures the since of dread this episode left me with. I feel like everybody's in danger now.

Enjoyed the great discussions.
 

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