Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Llena de Amor #129 (Mex. 134) Mon 2/14/11 Read ‘em and weep

Friday: The medium tells Fedra that the love of her life, who has a scar on his cheek, (Fedra looks rattled) has come back from the dead. Now we’re in Veracruz with a shot of the seashore and we expect Jose Maria Sevilla to rise dripping from the waves, toothless and ghastly, studded with barnacles and draped with seaweed. But instead we cut to a prison cell, where there he is, warm and dry, a little jowly with the years, and he is getting the news that he is finally being freed.

Awesome. But before we start, it’s Valentine’s Day as I write this and so first a little love note to my astonishingly talented fellow recappers, to the delightful commenters, and to Melinama for setting up this site where we have so much fun and telenovelafellowship. Long may we wave!

Back to our story…

Jose Maria has been in the lockup for 25 years for homicide. Howzit feel? the guard wants to know. JM says he feels like somebody with a death sentence hanging over their head who has suddenly been given a second chance. He tells the guard there’s nobody to call to meet him when he gets out, no family, nothing. But there was a woman, Juana Felipe….

That woman, in her Fedra incarnation, blusters to the medium (Angela, I think her name is) that it’s all lies, but the medium says the cards don’t lie and neither does she, but if Fedra wants to stop there….. Of course Fedra wants to hear more. And there is more, of course. This man from her past is coming back to stir up old embers; he still thinks of Fedra as his woman, and he’s coming for her and his son. Fedra protests that he’s dead. No, says the medium, but (holding up the death card dramatically) that is your fate. (It’s pretty much everyone’s fate; hardly worth paying for that prediction, but I guess here it Means Something More.)

At the big house, Ilitia tells Eman that she’d rather see him dead than in the arms of that other woman. He asks if that’s what she really wants, him not in love with her (Ilitia) while his heart is elsewhere? Ilitia counters that that’s the way it’s always been before, only it was Marianela, who at least was far away. And now instead of falling in love with Ilitia, he falls for somebody else. Tearfully she implores that she wants to stay together, it’s what she’s always dreamed of. He tells her not to hurt herself further, that she deserves somebody who really loves her. She says she’ll change, but he tells her she shouldn’t. Ilitia’s eyes are brimming with tears while she complains that that woman messed things up for them and that she hates her.

Eman tells her that Vicky isn’t the problem; they had problems before and that it was a huge mistake to marry. There will never be love between us, never. Ilitia reminds him how she helped him after his accident, and now he’s the only thing holding her up. Can’t he help her in return? He’s all she’s got. She doesn’t have a family any more – her father had a child with some other woman and Muñeca is not her real mother. He has no idea what it’s like to find out your whole life was a lie.

Yeah, I do, thoughtbubbles Eman. I wonder if Emil or that Jose Maria guy is my father.

The guard wants to know who Juana Felipe was, and JM smiles that she wasn’t his wife, but she was the woman who made his nights sweet and his days a torment. They have a manly laugh, but then the guard makes some comment about her being the type that’s just good for bed, and JM explodes, then finally admits that she wasn’t the type you’d want to parade around wearing a wedding ring. Ah, but she was my biggest vice, he says fondly, her and tequila. I’d give what’s left of my life for just a few minutes with her again.

So why don’t you go look for her? the guard wants to know. JM says She’s no longer among us. She had the best legs in Veracruz, you know. But the sea swallowed her up, her and my most faithful friend, Bernardo. They were my family.

The medium tells Fedra to take the cards’ predictions seriously, and Fedra scoffs extravagantly until the medium mentions fire and water, and tells her they were about to die in a shipwreck, but a faithful servant saved her, and the child she was carrying. Fedra looks sad and reflective, but a sudden wind blows the window open and the gauzy blinds billow out into the room, scaring her. She jumps up and waves her hands around frantically, saying she doesn’t want to hear any more

You are destined to engineer (labrar: to dig, as in to dig your own grave) your own death. This man from your past has come to sentence (sentenciar) you. No, protests Fedra. I kill my enemies, nobody kills me. I will beat that death you see there. Another blast of wind and Fedra clutches her giant purse to her. One thing I like about this show is the women actually carry purses. In other shows, we’ve seen purseless women walking the city streets in skimpy skin-tight outfits where even a folded bill would show, not to mention a coin.

At the police station, Mano is telling Oliver how Bernardo almost carried her/him off. Oliver promises that he’ll protect him/her, and Mano says the one they have to protect is Netty. Mano knows that Netty has been in love with Emil for years, but Fedra has an even worse reason to want to hurt her.

Brandon bursts in, telling them it’s time to work. He waves around a report from the people who are watching Garduño and Mauricio, and says Guess what! Lorenzo is in with them. He figures if they’re all over at Mau’s, they must be planning something. Mano suggests that he might be just the mole to send in. He’s a journalist, so nobody would suspect him. Oliver thinks it would be a bad idea, but Mano/Gretel, who as we know has a stunted sense of self-preservation, thinks he’s just the guy to help nab some baddies.

Bernardo is driving Fedra and trying to calm her down. She tells him the medium recounted her life like she was reading a book. Bernardo doesn’t believe that JM is alive; they both saw the fire and the explosions – nobody could have survived that. Bernardo scoffs and tells her to focus on the here and now, namely that Victoria has called her into a meeting. Fedra thinks he’s too familiar calling her Victoria, it has to be Victoria de la Garza, does he have the hots for her?

Fedra rants about Vicky being the instrument of Marianela and probably Gretel too. No matter, she’s tougher than the three of them put together.

Oliver is having a fit about Mano/Gretel going to Mauricio’s, but she thinks she can pretend to be doing an interview about an up-and-coming entrepreneur. She says that Kristel is about to marry the jerk, and that’s her sister after all, let her do something to save her. Brandon likes the idea and tells Oliver that the two of them can protect her.

Lorenzo comes in, furious, brandishing his cane and saying he came to talk to Brandon.

At Muñeca’s, she is comforting Ilitia who tells her that Eman wants a divorce and has never loved her. What did she do wrong? Muñeca tells her sometimes there are things that are out of our hands, and that she hopes that Ilitia will find a new love.

Ilitia points out that her mother never left Lorenzo. Muñeca says that was for her before, and for Christian now. Ilitia observes that Muñeca never stopped loving Lor, even if she denies it, and it’s the same for her. Anyway, Eman has a lover, she caught them together. Muñeca is shocked, then tells her that Lor has a lover.

After that impactadafest, we join Lor himself, who is telling Brandon that his little jewel Ilitia deserves a man of her own class, not scum like him. Brandon, unruffled, says she did marry just the right guy, but he’s not making her happy, and it’s not his fault she’s chasing him. Lor takes a fit and Brandon tells him to lower his voice, or he’ll yell louder. Oh, yes? yells Lor. YES! yells Brandon. Oh, YES? yells Lor. YES!! yells Brandon, even louder. Lor stops, stunned.

That was like watching water buffalo bulls bellow. Anyway, it’s over and Brandon says he’s not interested in frivolous women. Lor, insulted, comes at him, swinging his cane, but Brandon grabs him by the lapels and tells him he could have truckloads of women like Ilitia, because he’s a good guy and knows how to treat women, not like Some People.

Lorenzo retreats to the door, and tells Brandon he doesn’t want him within 100 feet of his Ilitia, or he and his family will disappear like (he snaps his fingers) that! Like Begoña disappeared? asks Brandon. Lor counters that that was Garduño’s orders, and then look, Brandon let him out of jail!

Brandon scoffs that he’s not buying, and what’s more he knows that Lorenzo is hiding something and that he and Mauricio work for Garduño, so he’s going to threaten back: He’s not going to rest until the three of them are in prison.

Oh, you’re just acting brave because you have that badge on, says Lorenzo, shaken but trying for some bravado. Step careful, says Brandon in warning, and Lorenzo, shaken, leaves.

Carmen, Eman’s secretary, has brought MariVicky some papers and asks MV not to tell, or she’ll get fired. MV promises that her job is secure. She leaves and MV looks at the papers for half a second. Not only she is the artistic director, but apparently she’s a speed-reading business whiz as well, because she tsks that Carmen was right, and what Lorenzo is doing to the agency is pure theft.

She picks up the phone to dial, but Eman lets himself in. She reproaches him for not knocking, then lies that she was talking to Marianela. That clams him up. She pretends to say goodbye and hangs up. Eman sits down and says he had wanted for so long to talk to Marianela, but now he realizes he doesn’t care.

He wants to know if MV told Mari what happened between them. Of course not, says MV, but I bet you blabbed all over the office about your big conquest. Of course not, says Eman, taken aback. What happened between us was pure magic. (How did MV get to be so good in the sack that Eman is talking about magic? She’s slept with a man only twice in her whole life, and it was the same man. I guess some folks have natural talent.)

MV scoffs that he probably says that to all the girls. He says he’s serious, so serious in fact that he asked Ilitia for a divorce.

Now we’re back with said rejected Ilitia and her mama. Ilitia is shocked that Lor has yet another lover. He just had Christian with Begoña not that long ago – is he out to populate the entire planet? Muñeca tells her a medium told her. Ilitia tells her she should have spent the money on a purse instead – they’ve always known her father was a womanizer. Muñeca says she thought things had changed, they had a few wonderful nights, but apparently she’s not enough and never has been.

Leave him! says Ilitia. You leave Eman! says Muñeca. Don’t change the subject, says Ilitia. Muñeca says she wants to stay for Christian like she did for Ilitia and she asks if Ilitia felt she had a happy childhood. Yes, very happy, says Ilitia. Muñeca points out that Ilitia and Eman don’t have children, so that’s not a problem. Ilitia’s not giving up – MV has no idea who she’s dealing with.

Manzanita and Christian come in, and right away Muñeca coos over Christian, not paying attention to Manzanita. But Ilitia does because she has a sudden brainstorm. She calls reluctant Manzanita over and sits her on her lap and pets her, saying Eman adores her.

Eman is still blathering on about his big love for MV and tells her how he never loved Ilitia. Love fled when Marianela left and now it’s returned with her. MV flashes back on drunk Ilitia faking that she and Eman had nights of passion.

Looking at him icily, she tells him that they will never have a future, and to get ready because there’s a meeting soon. Why are you doing this to me? he asks, and, braving the ice storm, he takes her hand and tells her he’s going to bring her to where she can love again. He leaves.

I guess we ought to cut her some slack. She thinks Eman is lying to her about his relationship with Ilitia, she thinks Ilitia needs him to help her recover from rape, and, the knottiest problem of all, she’s cheating on herself. All these things might make a girl testy. Still, I’m struggling to be sympathetic when I see those cold eyes.

Eman runs into Fun Guy Jorge in the hallway. Jorge starts off by telling him the shoot was great, but soon they are posing and preening about who can offer MV more. Jorge tells him to stay away and Eman tells him he’s asked Ilitia for a divorce, so there. Oh yeah? says Jorge. Marinela just asked me for a divorce and I’m going to fight for MV’s love, so the playing field is even. This shuts Eman up. Jorge warns that he’s not un enemigo fathil, which somehow doesn’t come across as threatening. Apologies, Spaniards one and all.

At the pension, Brandon reads a letter from Consuelo telling him she’s gone home with her son. Netty and Gladiola reproach him for leading her on, but he swears he was very clear and honest with her. They tell him that the little boy looked sick with something.

Just then Netty’s manager/lawyer Eugenio walks in the always-open door and announces to all of them that he can prove that Fedra falsified the papers that signed all of Eva’s money over to herself. Jubilation!

Kristel bursts into Lorenzo’s office and his eyes go soft with lust. But too bad, she’s just there to ask him if it’s really true that Mauricio and MV have something going. Lor says he didn’t actually see anything, but the rumors are flying around, and it’s obvious MV has the hots for him. Kristel is furious at MV, and Lor strokes her hair and lightly kisses her neck, telling her it’s not too late to get out of her wedding. Kristel swears that Mau’s the only man she’s ever loved, not just physically, but with her heart and soul, and she wants to be married like a princess to him and live happily ever after until death to them part.

He’s nuzzling her and telling her there are things a man like him could teach her when Fedra comes in and is livid to see them together.

Eugenio tells breathless Netty and Gladiola that he’s a great lawyer, if he says so himself, and he managed to unearth the documents about Mari’s inheritance that were said to be lost at the government offices. In fact, he found out that the judge in Fedra’s pay hid them in his own office, information he was able to discover because the judge’s secretary (a lady) is a friend and ahem, thinks highly of him. Brandon is stoked – this will mean that Mari can get her house, and Fedra can get her jail cell.

At the big house, Paula tells Delicia and Nereida that they have to clean the house top to bottom in preparation for Kristel’s wedding. Nereida is unhappy, but Delicia swoons over the idea of a wedding. Nereida reminds her that Axel dumped her for Lorena, but Delicia just smiles deliciously. Nereida leaves and Paula tells Delicia not to be so transparent. Delicia throws her arms around her and tells her she’s going to marry Axel.

Mano is trying to get his wire into his shirt and Oliver is very worried. Mano says Kristel may not be the greatest human being on the planet, but Mau is a crook and he/she has to save her. Oliver still isn’t convinced.

At the agency, most of the principals are getting ready to go into the meeting room, but Eman is staring gloomily at MV’s door because she’s in there talking to Jorge. Inside, Jorge asks her why she’s crying if Eman has asked for a divorce, and she says she ought to play dirty with Ilitia like Ilitia did with her, but she just can’t bring herself to. Besides, she knows that Ilitia was raped, and also that she stayed by Eman’s side after his accident and where was she? Not there because she was mad due to his mother.

Don’t be so hard on yourself, says Jorge. MV says for her, no matter what Ilitia did, Ilitia is a person who matters to her and she just can’t bring herself to steal Eman from her. I’m so stupid! she tells herself. Jorge tells her that those ideas make her such a splendid exemplar of humanity and that’s why he’s in love with her. He’s at her feet, he wants to make her forget everything in his arms.

Yes, he actually said that stuff. Anyway, he kisses her and just then Eman and Mau, who’s not to happy about Jorge being with her either, come into the room. Jorge and MV look uncomfortable.

Lor and Kristel try to explain to Fedra what was happening, but tells her daughter hands off. In this delightfully comic scene, Kristel puts together an elaborate story about how she tried to convince Lorenzo to break off with Fedra because she was cheating on her daddy. Lorenzo assures Fedra that Kristel couldn’t talk him into it, no way. Kristel continues that she had another idea – to give Fedra the idea that Lor was after her (Kristel) so that Fedra would be so mad, she’d dump him. Neat huh? Fedra looks very skeptical.

Lor asserts that he’s always thought of Kristel as a daughter, nothing else. Steely eyed Fedra tells Kristel that she’s done everything for her happiness, including letting her marry Mau, so why can’t Kristel do the same for her? Kristel says okay, but pretends that it’s just killing her to have her father cheated on. She sweeps dramatically out of the room, while Lorenzo looks after her with a small smile of admiration. Then he turns to face the formidable Fedra.

Back to MV’s office, where both Mau and Eman look outraged. Mau, who I though was one of the shareholders and was going to go to the photo shoot, yes? demands to know who that guy is kissing MV. Boy, is this guy out of the loop. Eman sarcastically introduces him as a man in love with MV but married to Marianela. Mau tells MV she’s really horrible to be messing with the husband of her best friend. Look who’s talking, says MV.

Mau says some more insulting stuff and Eman shoves him out the door, then tells MV that he just told her he’s asked Ilitia for a divorce and here she is kissing on Jorge. MV coolly tells him that she and Jorge have a long history and that doesn’t change overnight. Eman reminds her that she told him she didn’t want to be the other woman, yet here she is being the other woman in Marianela’s marriage. MV gives the weak argument that Eman is cheating himself on Ilitia, but she gives it with her usual cold conviction, then tells him to re-think his divorce because (stop me if you’ve heard this one) there can be absolutely nothing between them.

Outside the meeting room, Mau is annoyed and Kristel, flush with her recent mama-duping victory, arrives. Mau explains that Mari’s husband is there and he’s aggravating. Kristel guesses that he must be a real yucky guy who couldn’t do any better than a fatty, but then she spots him coming down the hall with MV and Eman, and her eyes pop. She sweeps forward to introduce herself as a R y de T, and a top model, but Mau yanks her back.

In the kitchen, Delicia tells Paula she wants her to teach her some really good recipes. Paula is worried that Delicia’s going to be hurt like she was, but Delicia isn’t worried and Axel comes in and puts his arms around her and says he’s going to make her the happiest woman in the world.

Back at the office, Lorenzo’s line about how Fedra has matured so fabulously is working. She wants to get amorous, but ouch! His knee! His back! She wonders what’s wrong with him. She promises him more delights, but the others are at the door for the meeting so they jump apart.

Everyone sits and Lorenzo asks MV why she called this meeting. She goes around handing out copies of something, and calmly said she found out somebody has been stealing quite a lot of money over the past 10 years. Lorenzo, in fact.

Avances: Mau tells MV she’s his. Jorge looks lustfully at the ad footage. Mau tells Jorge to stay off his territory (I think) and Jorge gives him a light thlap on the face, which Mau follows with a slug on the shoulder.

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Maggie, this was great!" light thlap on the face" - OMG - priceless.

Honestly, I was getting a little frustrated at the beginning of last night's episode - seemed rather dull, but it picked up, and all thanks quite honestly, because of Kristel. She was perfection last night. Her whole created story to dear Mama, and then how she just perked up at the site of Jorge (I mean - who wouldn't perk up)just tickled me. She saved the show last night.

Back to resident LMSA - so she feels bad for Ilitia, but does she really have to keep going back to coming off like such a witch. Once again, the writers want us to believe Eman will keep pursuing her thru thick and thin (sorry about that) since she is his one true love, but at this point you gotta think the guy has rocks in his head.

So will she use Jorge, again, to make Eman go away. If he turns into a villain of some kind, I sort of think we need to blame one little miss for that. Who wouldn't get a bit testy being used over and over.

Should be amusing, I hope, to see how Low wriggles out of the skimming he's been doing. And Eman's poppa should show up (was anyone else expecting someone more dashing?).
 

Great recap Maggie! Thanks for all the laughs! Enemigo fathil! Jorge thlaps Mau. LOL!

Wow - I tell you those scenes between Kristel and Low are getting steamingly convincing. What an interesting pairing. They might just be made for each other.

Audrey
 

Thanks for the recap Maggie. I enjoyed your "stop me if you've heard this." Gave me a good chuckle before classes.

The captain coming back does add an exciting prospect and deliciously complicates Fedra's life. I can't wait!! Wonder how Bernie will react?

Yeah, I'm with those of you who are tried of MV. Thank goodness this show is populated with so many other crazy characters.
 

Thanks Maggie, Very funny.

"...Jorge gives him a light thlap on the face..."

too good.

"...but Mano/Gretel, who as we know has a stunted sense of self-preservation..."

too true.

"How did MV get to be so good in the sack that Eman is talking about magic? She’s slept with a man only twice in her whole life, and it was the same man. I guess some folks have natural talent.)"

I don't dare add to that.

Kristel, Lo, and Fedra were great together last night. I agree, disynjay, Kristel did save/steal the show last night. I didn't understand what Fedra said that made Kristel go ewww. I'll ask my profa about it tomorrow. Must not have been complimentary since Lo seemed injured.

Speaking of Lo, he said very little during the exchange between the three of them but his facial expressions and gestures spoke for him.

I'm not ready to let go of the theory that Lorenzo could be Kristel's daddy, especially after he said he had always looked upon her as a daughter.

Loved how Angela is playing her part. She's more impressive this time around.

I always enjoy Ilitia with Manzanita and last night was no exception.

Carlos
 

Maggie, first off thank you for your sweet sentiments to the recapping team. Yes, it is a good group and we have a great time, don't we? This was one of your best recaps ever! And that's saying a lot because yours are always great. You had so many clever one-liners I was laughing the whole way through. "Yes, he actually said that stuff" made me laugh the hardest. Oh the ridiculous writing we recappers have to suffer through! "Light thlap on the face" killed me too. We are really having fun with poor Jorge's affectations.

I agree with daisy, I was expecting someone a bit more dashing as the captain, but we haven't seen him act yet, maybe he is very charismatic. I'm totally unfamiliar with the actor.

@Audrey - If/when Mau breaks Kristel's heart I'm pretty she'll run to Lowrenzo first. Should be interesting.

@ Karen - Good point about Bernardo. He's always blathering about his beloved captain. Will he be happy to see him or not? If he has to choose between Fedra and the Captain whom will he choose?

Carlos, I believe Fedra made a derogatory comment regarding Lowrenzo's, ahem, size and she told Kristel she wasn't really missing anything. ITA that this scene was the best of the evening. Kristel is turning out to be quite a match for her mami. She didn't back down at all. I loved it when Fedra told her "he's not yours" and Kristel snapped back "nor yours" before jumping into her big long explanation of what was actually going on.

Loved the recap, thanks Maggie.
 

No way Kristel is Low's daughter. Y Punto! LOL! These two are HOT for each other!

How was it so good with inexperienced MariVicki? It had nothing to do with physical skill. It has everything to do with Eman being so in love (and so horny with lust) that any sexual experience with Vicki is transcendent.

Anyway - isn't that always how it is supposed to be in romances? It's all about the emotional experience? The brain really is the largest sexual organ you know.

@ daisynjay - "Eman will keep pursuing her thru thick and thin " ROTFLOL! That was really good!

Yeah - the only ones in this novela who don't really seem to go with the flow/improvisation and enjoy the heck out of it are MV and Jorge. They both take it too seriously.

Audrey
 

IMPORTANT - A couple of things:

1) I will be out of town from Feb 22nd until March 13th and will be unable to recap. Are there any commenters who would like to try their hand at recapping? This is a great way to try it out to see if you like it. The recaps do NOT have to be long, they can be whatever you make them to be. Also, you do NOT need to speak Spanish fluently, just enough to have an idea of what's going on. Let us know and we can arrange to help you post the recaps. Otherwise maybe one of the other recappers can post a header so people can comment.

2) It looks like there is a Premios music awards show on this Thursday night and Llena will be pre-empted. Probably the other telenovelas too.
 

Maggie, I forgot to mention that I love your title:

"Read ‘em and weep"

perfect.

Carlos
 

What Carlos said, Maggie. Very clever title given that there was some significant card-reading in this one. You absolutely have a genius IQ for titles.

It was a super recap as well. Loved your shout out to Venus rising from the half shell in the opening paragraph about Chema. And "that was like watching water buffalos bellow" and "he turns to face the formidable Fedra". And of course the other lines everyone mentioned.

As for the writers, I also loved Muñeca's line, SOME THINGS ARE OUT OF OUR HANDS. How true. I mean how many times have we heard that one must "luchar por su amor"? But face it, if it ain't there, you can't fight it in or legislate it in by saying "look at all I've done for you". It may be worthwhile to "luchar" just so at the end you can say, Well, I tried, but basically, if it's gone, it's gone.

Also agree with Audrey that the "magic" element in the Eman/Vick coupling was his transcendent overpowering passion for her, not the fact that she's the old pro in bed. Clearly she's not. But she doesn't need to be. The boy's got it bad.

Great great recap and I agree with everyone else that Kristel was a hoot last night. In fact Lorenzo, Fedra and Kristel all played their parts to perfection. Loving the villains more and more. The Goody Two Shoes are somewhat tedious right now.

And Jorge just continues to irritate the crap out of me right now. Hope he turns out to be bad. He sure as hell is sneaky.
 

Maggie: So much to love in this stellar recap. In addition to the title, my favorite line was:"...we expect Jose Maria Sevilla to rise dripping from the waves, toothless and ghastly, studded with barnacles and draped with seaweed. But instead...there he is, warm and dry, a little jowly with the years..." Descriptive and delightful.

While part of me wants Gretel and Axel to bring Fedra down, the reality is it would be too much for these vulnerable children to bear. Jose Maria is reappearing at a truly auspicious time. Let him slither in and do what he will. None of Fedra's children need the guilt of her demise to add to their burdens. Perhaps he will be kind enough to take Bernardo as well.

Wonderful comments (as always)...

Diana
 

Wonderful recap Maggie. Question. When did Mari find out about Ilitia's rape? Another delicate question. Now that Eman has been intimate with MariVictoria, how can he still not recognize her, um, touch?

Once more MariVictoria is an ice queen to keep Eman at arm’s length. Knowing Eman however, once he sets his mind to something there is no stopping him and with Jorge in the midst, this is really going to be more tangled as this story goes along.

So the medium told Fedra that death is her destiny. That's pretty much a given me thinks. I'm just wondering how Jose Maria will fit into this prediction.
 

Judy and Audrey, I agree with you that our boy Eman has it so bad for MariVictoria that that definitely transcends everything. He is whipped.
 

Judy, I see in the previews that Jorge doesn't back down from Mauricio either. That should be a very interesting confrontation. Jorge comes across as a bit of a wimp so we'll see how much backbone he has. I kind of hope he is a bad guy so that he can go head to head with Mauricio whom I loathe more than anyone.

Diana, what a lovely idea, let Jose Maria Sevilla take down Fedra AND Bernardo so the Fedra's poor children don't have to bear the burden of killing her.

Pirate Babe, I'm also wondering how Jose Maria will find Fedra. He thinks she's dead. Maybe she will stupidly look for him.
 

@Pirate Babe: Illitia was in Vicki's room at the hotel where she was delivered after that memorable bar scene with Brandon when Illitia drank herself into a stupor.

She took advantage of the situation to drunkenly moan out loud (pretending to be mostly passed out) about Eman being so kind to her in bed with such great lovemaking after Mauricio had abused her.

Illitia does not hesitate to play dirty when she thinks she'll pull ahead. She is counting on Vicki to feel sorry for her and leave Eman alone.

Audrey
 

How will Jose Miguel find Fedra?

My guess - total speculation.

After returning to Mexico City, he will go to a bar called "La Mala Noche"......

'nuff said.

Audrey
 

Silly me, how could I have overlooked that he will go to the ONE girlie bar in the DF? He will recognize her fabulous gams of course, hee.
 

Thank you all so much! You make my day.

JudyB – I’m flattered you thought I was so lofty as to be thinking Botticelli with the out-of-the-sea description, but I’m ashamed to admit I was thinking of Pirates of the Caribbean. Also, your description of Jorge as “sneaky” is perfect.

JudyB and Audrey – I did actually get that Eman was referring to his night with MV as magic due to their cosmic connection, but I just couldn’t resist having some fun!

Sylvia – thank you for clarifying what Fedra said about Low’s “small talents.” I kinda thought that was what she said, but I wasn’t sure, so I skipped over it. Wasn’t Low’s expression priceless? That actor is a joy to watch.
 

Sylvia – you are a genius. This morning I tried the experimental link in Internet Explorer and it worked! It had the invitation to subscribe that you mentioned, formatting, and bright links that I’m sure work though I didn’t try them. Thank you!
 

Maggie, I'm so happy to hear that it worked out for you. We will not be beat by the machine!!!

I'm pretty sure that's what Fedra was saying. Her speaking is very gutteral sometimes and I have a hard time understanding her. I got it more by her body language than anything else. Hopefully Carlos can check and report back.
 

A question I want to throw out to you all: I asked a fellow I know whether, if I wanted to speak to him in Spanish, I ought to say “tu” or “Usted.” Without a second’s hesitation, he fired back “Usted. If we don’t eat from the same plate, and we don’t, then it’s Usted.”

Here’s his demographic: He came to the U.S. from El Salvador after high school, got his college education here and became a CPA. He has lovely manners and is very well read, and his English vocabulary would put some native speakers to shame. We’ve been on friendly terms since I met him about 6 years ago. He’s about 10 years younger than I am.

So I asked him if the “Usted” thing was because he was from El Salvador, because practically all I heard in the telenovelas from Mexico was “tu, tu, tu.” He said that’s because they’re all rich people. We talked about addressing children, and he said that his own he called “tu” but that it was important to respect children and that other people’s were “Usted.”

I was pretty crushed considering that what I’m learning on our shows is the “tu” verb forms for the most part. Heaven forbid I should crack a book.

I’d love to hear what you make of this.
 

Maggie, this was super fun. I love your mocking of Jorge's accent...I keep telling myself it's not funny, it's just a Spanish accent...but it is hard to take his threats seriously, isn't it?

I thought this was a great episode. Kristel is so, so funny. The actress deserves some kind of award for doing so much with such a stupid, shallow, antagonistic character.

I'm still a Jorge fan. He's sneaky but I like that. Not sure why he's still interested in Marianela when she just uses him and isn't that great a catch in the first place...I guess the protagonista draw is just too powerful.
 

Maggie- I don't think the issue is that the people portrayed in novelas are rich, it's that they all have a personal/familial relationship with each other. If you are hanging out with friends and family you would naturally use familiar tu form. But Latin American work places tend to be more formal and hierarchical than US work places (these days). So you do tend to use Ud. with colleagues and especially with people who have degrees, are titled, or are above you in rank. So, your co-worker is correct there if by his education and your working relationship he wants to be addressed in Ud form.

In general, if you are meeting any strangers or people who are not family or close friends, you should stick to Ud, until they tutear you. But if it's an old person or super high up person who tutears you, you should still probably stick to Ud when addressing them back as a sign of respect for their age and rank.
 

By the way Maggie, I loved the recap and all the wonderful details you threw in. I also loved the image of Chema rising from the sea. Beware Fedra!
 

Maggie, I'm not an expert on manners but it sounds to me like your friend may have an inflated opinion of himself. Since you are older and female, I would think the decision to tutear should originate with you. The fact that you have been friends for 6 years and he still thinks you should use Ud. in addressing him seems strange and a bit awkward. If you guys are on a first name basis then it's a no-brainer.

Now of course we Texans tend to become very familiar very quickly.

I think a little Tequila might be in order.

Carlos
 

Wow, Maggie!! Nuthin' but net! I loved your recap from title to tail. (tale?)

I haven't much cared for the Kristel character but the actress won me over last night. What timimg. Low didn't say anything because he couldn't slip a word in through that torrent that was Kristel. Loved his expression after Kristel left and he was stuck with Fedra.

Mike had 'thurgery' yesterday to remove his first cataract. Second act is in two weeks. He's doing well, back on the computer, wearing his Hollywood glasses (teehee) outside, etc. Thuch a good patient!
 

Hi Emilia, so glad to hear that Mike's thurgery went well. I very dear friend of mine just had cataract surgery and told me he could kick himself for waiting so long. And he's a nurse!
 

I agree with Carlos' assessment that your friend might be a bit full of himself, if your relationship has gone beyond a work relationship and you've known each other for so long. And if you are also older than he, then he really has little grounds to want you to refer to him in Ud form, other than being insecure.
 

None of the native Spanish speakers I know use "Usted" except sometimes to address much older people. I never hear any of them in a work context so I don't know, but I think they might say Usted to a big honcho boss. But other acquaintances, definitely tú. I never use usted myself and really am not inclined to do so. I'm an egalitarian! It's the American way! Besides, I figure people will cut me some slack because gringas just don't know better...

Emilia, give Mike my wishes for a thpeedy recovery! Although I'm sure he looks awethome in the shades.
 

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When I first started trying to learn Spanish I used usted with two of my co-workers who are from Mexico. They looked at each other, laughed, and told me to use the tu form. We weren't in he habit of eating off each others' plates. They also told me that when non-spanish speakers inadvertently use the tu form instead of usted we are cut a lot of slack because it's something that we just aren't used to.
 

@Maggie....Let me jump in and first of all apologize for not catching your sly wit about Mari/Vicky. Sometimes I'm just a plodder. And Pirates of the Caribbean...hey, even better! (Although I'm still stuck with Venus on the half shell in my brain. Won't move.)

Your "usted" friend sounds like a bit of a prig. I know there are differences between countries on how fast you can go to "tu". Although I understand among students it's pretty much always "tu". But you'd address your teacher as "usted". Yeah, we all know that.

I know two Spanish speakers here, and with both I said "Puedo tutearte" and they both said "Por supuesto!" And we don't eat off the same plate. Although I am the type who says...hmmm that looks good. May I have a bite? (My husband does not like anybody eating off his plate. Guess I should address him as "usted").

Emilia...love your "nothing but net". And glad to know Mike's surgery went well. Husband had his several years ago and was very happy with the results. So far, I don't need it. Hope I never do. But....
 

I only use Usted with friends' parents (older people) or people I have just met. I think Mexicans are pretty informal - at least the ones around here. Notice how much advertising uses the "tu" form to talk to perfect strangers? Business environment would be different as it is more formal and respectful - interacting with colleagues, talking to your boss, your doctor, client, etc. I use the usted form with people I don't know at all like waiters, shopkeepers, etc., but I notice others use tu right away.

If in the US you would say sir, ma'am, or address someone as Mr or Mrs (Señor or Señora), then use Usted. If you are on first name basis, then tu seems appropriate.

(I almost wonder if your colleague is pulling your leg - I can't imagine referring to someone else's children in the "tu" form).

Audrey

P.S. Not raised in the Latino culture - just what I have been exposed to over the years.
 

Ooops correction!

(I almost wonder if your colleague is pulling your leg - I can't imagine referring to someone else's children in the "usted" form unless they are adults).

Audrey
 

Thank you all for the fascinating input. I really appreciate it. Like all of you, I have the feeling “tu” is splashed around more than my friend suggested. I can’t help thinking that his being from El Salvador plays a part. I had a girlfriend from El Salvador who told me that she always called her parents “Usted” which I thought was pretty amazing. She was a country girl, though, and we have seen that traditional country people in these shows seem to use “Usted” more, even husbands and wives to each other.

My friend isn’t overly prideful or arrogant, but he does have more formal manners than most human beings, which is why I picked him to ask. I wondered what a very proper person might think was the right thing to say, so I would be able to move in more formal circles without embarrassing myself or insulting others. But as you have noted, being a foreigner gives you a lot of wiggle room.

Right now my Mexican girlfriend is here, and she said things have gotten so casual in Mexico that she has heard children call their grandparents by their first names, which shocks her.
 

Some countries pretty much only use the Usted form, or use Usted and tu interchangeably with friends and family. Columbia for example. This is very noticeable in the Columbia telenovela "Pura Sangre". Fantastic telenovela by the way.

Audrey
 

Mexican Cultural Question

OK - I have a question about culture. Is there a name for the "naco speak" - the kind of nasal, sing-song, high-pitched rhythmic style of speaking that Brandon and Oliver indulge in. (Imagine either one of them saying "Orale")

I've seen it in other novelas too. In one case it was a couple of guys getting wasted in a bar. In another it was a woman disguised as a Mexican peasant. And also - the cartoon character Speedy Gonzales. It seems to be peculiarly Mexican.

I just figured it must have a name, because the isspeech style very obvious. Would love to know the name.

Thanks!

Audrey
 

Audry – along the same lines, I wonder what regional or class group uses that speech pattern of elongating the last vowel. We hear it in some characters in our shows, and I wonder if it’s supposed to be a lower class thing, or a special geographical area.
 

Thanks Maggie - I should have mentioned that the vowels are elongated (unlike normal Spanish), that the words are drawn out in kind of a nasal drawl - the speech in general is slow.

Audrey
 

I have heard that accent (it is VERY distinct!) referred to simply as Chilango, but Chilango means anyone from Mexico City and it seems to be only a certain segment of the population who speak that way. Has the word also come to mean that particular accent? Not sure. I've tried Googling it, and results are inconclusive.
 

One more note to add on this episode...Emanuel continues to put on the best display of all-consuming mind-melting desire I've seen. When he thought Vicky was on the phone with Marianela, he looked ready to crawl into the phone and swim through the wires if Mari was on the other end.
 

Found this on a Stanford site with thesis and papers:

"Chilango refers to an inhabitant of Mexico City. Chilangos have been long characterised as speaking with a vulgar "sung" accent. This accent is found more often among uneducated people (often called "nacos"). Although not all people living in Mexico City speak with this language (heavily loaded with jargon with the accompanying accent), to speak like a chilango is synonymous with this. This contributes to the perception among people from the provinces that chilangos are vulgar, dirty, destructive persons."
 

Yes - I think it is Chilango - thanks!

It looks like it is very localized to Mexico City, but that city having such a huge population, it would have a large influence within the country.

I always assumed it was some kind of rural accent, but looks like I am wrong.

Thanks so much Julia! This gives me plenty to google and explore the Mexican accents further. There are lots of youtube examples.

Audrey
 

One time Jarocha posted a hilarious link to youtube, a performer was doing the fresa accent. Not sure if I can find it but if I do I'll post it.
 

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