Friday, March 18, 2011
La Fea Más Bella #259-260 3/18/11 How to win a woman, how to lose a woman.
Capitulo 259.
Read Chapel Hill Fiddler's original recap, then come back here to discuss it.
1. Humberto recognizes that Lety must be special if she transformed Fernando. But he doesn’t like that she’s playing two men.
2. Lety tells Aldo this is new to her. Giggles, sweet nothings, and kissyface (abbreviated GSNAK hereafter). Aldo understands it will be hard for her to forget Fernando, especially since he’s being so noble.
3. Omar mocks because Aldo has to work for a living. Fern says that deserves admiration. Omar says Lety is able to make men lose their head. He prays he never falls under the spell of a woman like that. He says Aurora goes on dates with him but disappears.
4. Alicia abuses Marcia’s hospitality just like she did to Lola. Marcia tells her that she’s abusive, intolerable, and stupid.
5. Lety tells Tom that she chose Aldo. In the morning Aldo sends her roses.
GSNAK.
6. Fern tells Lety he told his dad he loves Lety. He’s not trying to pressure her, but it made him happy. He’s off to a meeting to drum up business, so he doesn’t have time to hear her important news.
7. Lety tells Caro that Aldo sacrificed everything for her, and she chose him. Caro tells Omar that Aurora’s not at all interested in him. He can’t believe that someone would reject him. Luigi insists that Lety comes to his office right now because he promised Aldo he’d try to get along with her.
8. When Fernando congratulates Aldo and says he respects him (because he sold everything and now he has to work), Aldo thinks it’s about Lety. He says, “It must be difficult for you to find out that Lety chose me.” Night falls.
Capitulo 260.
Read Amanda's original recap, then come back here to discuss it.
1. Fernando tries to convince himself that Aldo said Lety chose him (Aldo), simply as a gag, to get Fernando out of the way.
2. Tom asks Aldo for advice for the lovelorn. Aldo says, “Love means giving the other person space.” (I swear, he said that with a straight face!) 3. Ali tries to talk to Tom but he blows her off. He says it’s obvious she doesn’t want him around so he’ll leave her alone. She tries to schmooze a lunch invite. He says, “I’m sorry. It’s all or nothing. And I decided, nothing.”
4. Fernando overhears Lety and Aldo, and it confirms that she chose Aldo. He goes to the conference room to cry, “How could you forget that you love me?”
5. Lety tells Aldo that Conceptos should pay him the profit they made from the food expo. Aldo says they need to keep that as capital for their next project. Then more GSNAK.
6. Caro goes to lunch with Omar, under the condition that he won’t talk about Aurora. He tries his usual shtick and she tells him where to shtick it.
7. Omar has been wracking his little brain to find a way to locate Aurora. In a rare moment of intelligence, he tells Paula that Caro knows all about Aurora, “so don’t let the cuartel bother her.” Then he sits back and lets the cuartel do his work for him.
8. Throughout the episode, Fernando runs away from Lety so she can’t tell him the bad news.
9. Tom’s plan is working and Ali turns up the heat so she’ll have a place to sleep tonight. She says, “Why can’t you help me?” He answers, “Because no matter how hard I try, I can’t win your love.” So she says, “I do feel something for you,” and gives him a big kiss.
10. Lety corners Fernando. He begs her not to say anything and avoid any further pain because he already knows the important part. He says, “I was a fool. Where did I get the genius idea to set you free to decide? (She hugs him.) Don’t say anything. I prefer to think that it’s all a dream. Or a nightmare.” She thanks him for the freedom to decide. He says, “Don’t thank me. In that moment I dug my own grave. Forget about me so you can be happy. At least one of us will be happy.”
Just to see you smile, Tim McGraw Thank you, Jenn. Great choice!
When you said time was all you really needed
I walked away and let you have your space.
Cause leavin’ didn’t hurt me near as badly
As the tears I saw rollin’ down your face
And yesterday I knew just what you wanted
When you came walkin’ up to me with him
So I told you that I was happy for you
And given the chance, I’d lie again.
Just to see you smile, I’d do anything.
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On yesterday's recap, someone expressed doubt about Lety's claim that Omar had hurt lots of women. I think the doubt is valid if you look only at all the anonymous bimbos Omar fools around with; but there's also this:
He hurt PM - fooled around with her, got her hopes up, and dumped her.
He hurt Marcia by helping Fern with his womanizing and the affair with Lety.
He hurt the hell out of Lety.
He's hurting Caro right now with his stupid fickle behavior.
I don't know if that qualifies as "lots of women," but he has a poor record with the other women in his life. And he's done nothing to make amends with any of them.
(He also hurt Alicia, who seemed to like him in an opportunistic way. But she didn't wait for him to make amends - she got even with that pregnancy scare.)
He hurt PM - fooled around with her, got her hopes up, and dumped her.
He hurt Marcia by helping Fern with his womanizing and the affair with Lety.
He hurt the hell out of Lety.
He's hurting Caro right now with his stupid fickle behavior.
I don't know if that qualifies as "lots of women," but he has a poor record with the other women in his life. And he's done nothing to make amends with any of them.
(He also hurt Alicia, who seemed to like him in an opportunistic way. But she didn't wait for him to make amends - she got even with that pregnancy scare.)
I'm out of town & won't see Thurs or Fri episodes until I get back & watch the tape. Looks like there's stuff I may want to ff when I do.
I don't like the way Lety is using Aurora to get back at Omar. I only hope that the time she spends in Aurora's skin will help her find a way to integrate her own personality with the body & face that she can't love -- the beautiful one that she can not accept being.
As for her choice of Aldo over Fernando -- it's not so illogical as it seems. That is if one doesn't detest Aldo and look for nastiness under all his actions. I still take him at his word. He has, I believe, acted out of love. I don't see him as slimy or evil. Lety allowed herself to become dependent on him and when she saw him walk out the door -- which he was perfectly prepared to do when he thought Lety had chosen Fernando -- she realized how much it hurt to see him go. I've had the experience of only discovering how much I valued something when I seemed to have lost it. She's never felt pain from Aldo as she has from Fernando. I think her choice is perfectly natural. It may be, as someone said on yesterdays recap, that she hasn't really forgiven the immense pain that Fernando caused.
In the end she will know that her feelings for Aldo, though real, are not as strong as the passion that Fernando stirs in her & she will come around -- but we have to find some way to pass 40 more episodes.
Both Tomy & Marcia are playing their roles right in order to win the objects of their affection so I am not among those who trust Fernando not to go back to Marcia once he thinks he has lost Lety forever. There is that nasty kiss between Fernando & a wedding dress clad Marcia in the opening credits. Will he go through with it? Is it in fact a kiss off? Will he run from the church just before the vows? Is she marrying someone else? That kiss has been troubling me ever since this new set of mages was added to the opening.
Güera
I don't like the way Lety is using Aurora to get back at Omar. I only hope that the time she spends in Aurora's skin will help her find a way to integrate her own personality with the body & face that she can't love -- the beautiful one that she can not accept being.
As for her choice of Aldo over Fernando -- it's not so illogical as it seems. That is if one doesn't detest Aldo and look for nastiness under all his actions. I still take him at his word. He has, I believe, acted out of love. I don't see him as slimy or evil. Lety allowed herself to become dependent on him and when she saw him walk out the door -- which he was perfectly prepared to do when he thought Lety had chosen Fernando -- she realized how much it hurt to see him go. I've had the experience of only discovering how much I valued something when I seemed to have lost it. She's never felt pain from Aldo as she has from Fernando. I think her choice is perfectly natural. It may be, as someone said on yesterdays recap, that she hasn't really forgiven the immense pain that Fernando caused.
In the end she will know that her feelings for Aldo, though real, are not as strong as the passion that Fernando stirs in her & she will come around -- but we have to find some way to pass 40 more episodes.
Both Tomy & Marcia are playing their roles right in order to win the objects of their affection so I am not among those who trust Fernando not to go back to Marcia once he thinks he has lost Lety forever. There is that nasty kiss between Fernando & a wedding dress clad Marcia in the opening credits. Will he go through with it? Is it in fact a kiss off? Will he run from the church just before the vows? Is she marrying someone else? That kiss has been troubling me ever since this new set of mages was added to the opening.
Güera
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: Friday, March 18, 2011 at 12:35:00 PM EDT
: Friday, March 18, 2011 at 12:35:00 PM EDT
I added the black bands to today's summary as a sign of mourning. I promise, Monday won't be agonizing. Not necessarily sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows, but not agonizing.
Paula, regarding your previous comment that it makes no sense for Lety to have separation anxiety because her family was so secure - I wonder if it was a little too secure. That is, maybe she's never experienced separation from a seemingly good relationship before (not counting Miguel, where the separation was the least of her problems!).
And given how sheltered her life has been, perhaps she's never witnessed this kind of separation before either. She doesn't even have a role model.
That would be enough to provokes its own kind of anxiety, I would think.
But I think there's another reason why Lety panicked when it looked as though first Fernando, and then Aldo would be out of her life forever: she still wasn't ready to choose. It's not just a choice between two men; it's a choice between two very different lives. It can't be easy to make that decision.
I still think she would have been better off cutting both of them loose and getting her head together first, but of course that would risk losing BOTH of them and she's obviously not up for such a huge risk.
And that's probably the answer to why she chose Aldo. Fern has family in the DF and an interest in the business; so he's more likely to hang around if she chooses Aldo, and then maybe she can continue to enjoy his company a little while longer. But if she chooses Fernando, Aldo will be gone in a flash and so will any hope of a future with him if things don't work out with Fern.
And given how sheltered her life has been, perhaps she's never witnessed this kind of separation before either. She doesn't even have a role model.
That would be enough to provokes its own kind of anxiety, I would think.
But I think there's another reason why Lety panicked when it looked as though first Fernando, and then Aldo would be out of her life forever: she still wasn't ready to choose. It's not just a choice between two men; it's a choice between two very different lives. It can't be easy to make that decision.
I still think she would have been better off cutting both of them loose and getting her head together first, but of course that would risk losing BOTH of them and she's obviously not up for such a huge risk.
And that's probably the answer to why she chose Aldo. Fern has family in the DF and an interest in the business; so he's more likely to hang around if she chooses Aldo, and then maybe she can continue to enjoy his company a little while longer. But if she chooses Fernando, Aldo will be gone in a flash and so will any hope of a future with him if things don't work out with Fern.
Julie, so are we back to "one in the game, and keeping one ready on the bench" just like Fernando did with Lety and Marcia? Would that make this another Full Circle?
Yeah, that's another full circle. Fernando didn't have the same agenda for keeping two women on the hook - that was more about business at first - but the common underlying motive both for him and Lety has been the fear of losing something.
Back in the early days, we saw that Fernando's favorite seduction technique was to dangle the M-word (marriage). "I might marry someone else if I find the right woman. How about if I take you home for a test drive, Baby?" Did we see Omar use that technique? I know that Alicia tried hard to push him into marriage, but I don't recall if Omar dangled the M-word with Paula or Ali.
Omar certainly didn't have his cast-asides hounding him like Fern did. Maybe that's because he doesn't provoke obsession like Fernando (Karla Lagunes, Fatima Bosch, Marcia, Lety, Carla). Or maybe it's because Fern made them think he was looking for a wife, so they were upset when he jilted them the next morning.
Omar certainly didn't have his cast-asides hounding him like Fern did. Maybe that's because he doesn't provoke obsession like Fernando (Karla Lagunes, Fatima Bosch, Marcia, Lety, Carla). Or maybe it's because Fern made them think he was looking for a wife, so they were upset when he jilted them the next morning.
Wait! Omar does dangle the M-word. At Ali's apartment, as she was making the pasta, he said, "I might get married if I found the right woman. One who was... and then he described Ali. So he implies possible marriage, sleeps with them, and then wants nothing to do with them. Yeah, that would qualify as hurting a lot of women.
I haven't watched the show yet and I'm not sure I want to. I teared up reading the recap when Fernando basically said goodbye to Lety. What a fool she is!!!!!!!
Aldo, what a toad. He should have made sure that Fernando had heard the news from Lety, but no, he has to get his digs in. Fernando would have been more gracious to him.
This is how well Lety does not know Aldo and Fernando. If Lety had chosen Fernando, Aldo would have split and licked his wounds in Acapulco, but he would survive. By choosing Aldo, Lety has intensified Fernando's pain because now he has to be around her and Aldo together. Want to drive a knife deeper into the heart? Ask Lety how to do that. She knows.
I don't want to see Lety and Aldo kissy-faced because they don't have the chemistry. When Fernando and Lety kiss, invisible fireworks are going off all around them. Lety is so unsure of herself that she chooses the person who will keep her unsure and not the one who thinks she is capable and strong. Can we saw dependency mindset, ladies? This show is going to miserable for quite a while I'm afraid.
Final thought, Fernando deserves better than Lety. He deserves someone to love him with her whole heart and no divided loyalties. Lety deserves Aldo. Wonder what she will do when she sees how much damage she has done to Fernando. Once she had made her decision, she should have sought out Fernando right away to let him know. Oh gag, what a foolish woman!
Aldo, what a toad. He should have made sure that Fernando had heard the news from Lety, but no, he has to get his digs in. Fernando would have been more gracious to him.
This is how well Lety does not know Aldo and Fernando. If Lety had chosen Fernando, Aldo would have split and licked his wounds in Acapulco, but he would survive. By choosing Aldo, Lety has intensified Fernando's pain because now he has to be around her and Aldo together. Want to drive a knife deeper into the heart? Ask Lety how to do that. She knows.
I don't want to see Lety and Aldo kissy-faced because they don't have the chemistry. When Fernando and Lety kiss, invisible fireworks are going off all around them. Lety is so unsure of herself that she chooses the person who will keep her unsure and not the one who thinks she is capable and strong. Can we saw dependency mindset, ladies? This show is going to miserable for quite a while I'm afraid.
Final thought, Fernando deserves better than Lety. He deserves someone to love him with her whole heart and no divided loyalties. Lety deserves Aldo. Wonder what she will do when she sees how much damage she has done to Fernando. Once she had made her decision, she should have sought out Fernando right away to let him know. Oh gag, what a foolish woman!
Permalink posted by : Friday, March 18, 2011 at 2:39:00 PM EDT
: Friday, March 18, 2011 at 2:39:00 PM EDT
I think Fernando put Omar up to romancing Alicia, though (to keep her away from Ariel?) which forced Omar to up his game. (And maybe inspired Omar to "get even" by pushing Lety on Fern, too.)
But I don't think we have evidence that the m-word was his usual MO. But there are other ways to get a woman's hopes up, as evidenced by the big bag of Carvajalmarks.
What did he do with PM? I know she expected more from him than she got, but I don't remember how much of that expectation came from what Omar told her, and how much of it came from her imagination.
But I don't think we have evidence that the m-word was his usual MO. But there are other ways to get a woman's hopes up, as evidenced by the big bag of Carvajalmarks.
What did he do with PM? I know she expected more from him than she got, but I don't remember how much of that expectation came from what Omar told her, and how much of it came from her imagination.
Actually BarbaraM when Aldo and Lety kiss sprinklers go off. so take your pick fireworks (now can't get Katy Perry's song out of my head! maybe this one should be for Fernando as suffers)or sprinklers. Maybe the sprinklers put out any fire between Lety and Aldo. And Paula I think the key word in your title is "woman" I do not consider Lety a woman. She has regressed since Aldo appeared on the scene and the way Vale now plays Lety is with such exaggeration of her facial ticks and such awkwardness that I am not sure many lessons have been learned on this 260 episode ride. As for full circles we see Fern adopting Lety mannerism bowing, eye twitch though I almost melted when he used Lety's adios when he answered the phone in yesterday's episode. But I am not sure why the full circle is important. Ok as several have noted on original recaps Fernando was terrible. He was a player, a lair, a cheater, he and Omar never left the frat house, and he learned the error of his ways. Other that he did all this with such charm he had no apparent redeeming qualities and then we begin to see promise. But why does he have to become Lety in the process? Or am I missing the full circle thing.
Jenn
Jenn
Permalink posted by : Friday, March 18, 2011 at 3:03:00 PM EDT
: Friday, March 18, 2011 at 3:03:00 PM EDT
Jenn, I think the full circle is appealing for two reasons: first, some people just love artistic symmetry in all things; second, Lety needs to walk in Fernando's shoes a little bit to appreciates the pressures he faced; maybe that will let her forgive him. Likewise, Fernando walking in Lety's shoes for a while as a humble assistant will give him a taste of what it felt like for her to be in love with her engaged boss.
Just finished watching today's episodes. Hard not to tear up at Fernando's pain. What a great piece of acting by Jaime Camil! You could feel his pain, the disintegration of his hope, the agony, and the desire to throttle Aldo. If I were him, I'd throttle Lety but instead, the gentelman that he has become holds her as she cries.
So let's compare Aldo and Fernando. Aldo's reaction to Fernando and Lety's kiss was to run back to Acapulco. Fernando's reaction to Lety choosing Aldo is to support Lety and stay and be her assistant. So, tell me, Aldo likers, who has the more mature reaction?
Aldo just doesn't have what it takes to help Lety be all she can be. Fernando does - he brings out the very best of Lety. Aldo simply gets her to be a weak, needy, sniveling, can't make a decision little girl. It's almost like Aldo is Lety's pacifier and she can't do without it. Fernando is the one who says Lety you don't need a pacifier; you're a grown woman capable to making good decisions and standing strong. I like Fernando's Lety so much more than Aldo's Lety. In fact, I'd like to be in Caro's place and sit Lety down for a talk. She should have moved heaven and earth to get to Fernando to tell him her decision. Lety knows Conceptos and how people love to gossip. It wasn't like she and Aldo get their new relationship a secret in the office. They were blatant about it. So something had to get back to Fernando. I suspect Lety's motives. She says she doesn't want to cause pain, but she sure seems to leave a lot of that in her wake. A psychologist would have a field day with her. Is she trying to punish Fernando because he "failed" her and wasn't the white knight coming into rescue her like she wanted him to be. But Aldo, by selling everything for her, has become the white knight. Eventually Lety will have to realize that fantasy is a dream that can disappear at any time, but reality is what you live with. Aldo is the fantasy; Fernando is the reality.
So let's compare Aldo and Fernando. Aldo's reaction to Fernando and Lety's kiss was to run back to Acapulco. Fernando's reaction to Lety choosing Aldo is to support Lety and stay and be her assistant. So, tell me, Aldo likers, who has the more mature reaction?
Aldo just doesn't have what it takes to help Lety be all she can be. Fernando does - he brings out the very best of Lety. Aldo simply gets her to be a weak, needy, sniveling, can't make a decision little girl. It's almost like Aldo is Lety's pacifier and she can't do without it. Fernando is the one who says Lety you don't need a pacifier; you're a grown woman capable to making good decisions and standing strong. I like Fernando's Lety so much more than Aldo's Lety. In fact, I'd like to be in Caro's place and sit Lety down for a talk. She should have moved heaven and earth to get to Fernando to tell him her decision. Lety knows Conceptos and how people love to gossip. It wasn't like she and Aldo get their new relationship a secret in the office. They were blatant about it. So something had to get back to Fernando. I suspect Lety's motives. She says she doesn't want to cause pain, but she sure seems to leave a lot of that in her wake. A psychologist would have a field day with her. Is she trying to punish Fernando because he "failed" her and wasn't the white knight coming into rescue her like she wanted him to be. But Aldo, by selling everything for her, has become the white knight. Eventually Lety will have to realize that fantasy is a dream that can disappear at any time, but reality is what you live with. Aldo is the fantasy; Fernando is the reality.
Permalink posted by : Friday, March 18, 2011 at 3:52:00 PM EDT
: Friday, March 18, 2011 at 3:52:00 PM EDT
Thanks Julie. I can see the full circle thing working for Fern but am not so sure about Lety. She does not seem to be as self-reflexive as Fern which I am not able to wrap my mind around. I am used to the female lead being more introspect than the male!!! Wait LFMB was written by a male. I wonder if Fernando is his alter-ego?
Jenn
Jenn
Permalink posted by : Friday, March 18, 2011 at 3:55:00 PM EDT
: Friday, March 18, 2011 at 3:55:00 PM EDT
Original YSBLF was written by a man, but I don't know exactly who wrote this stuff in the extension. THAT person seemed to really love Fernando and/or Jaime, making that character out to be a saint; and hating Lety and/or Angelica, making Lety out to be a selfish fool.
Paula, Thanks for the recap. So did the scenes with Fern and his father at the restauraunt sound like they were voiced over or something?
Thomas and Alicia and Thomas and Aldo scenes just drive me nuts. And what was that goofy scarf thing Luigi was wearing around his waist?
Thomas and Alicia and Thomas and Aldo scenes just drive me nuts. And what was that goofy scarf thing Luigi was wearing around his waist?
Permalink posted by : Friday, March 18, 2011 at 6:34:00 PM EDT
: Friday, March 18, 2011 at 6:34:00 PM EDT
One question:
When Fern was telling his father about being in love with Lety, his father seemed surprised to hear the statement.
BUT in cap 251 he ran home to mom and dad's and woke them up (bozo robe) to tell them he is getting married to Lety.
Plus, Lety was already in PJs writing in her diary the night she "picked" Aldo. Then, they had her fully dressed in the park and just so happens to come across Alpo to tell him the "news". And the inane sprinklers going off.
What was up with that editing?
Or am I just imagining things out of order?
Diann
When Fern was telling his father about being in love with Lety, his father seemed surprised to hear the statement.
BUT in cap 251 he ran home to mom and dad's and woke them up (bozo robe) to tell them he is getting married to Lety.
Plus, Lety was already in PJs writing in her diary the night she "picked" Aldo. Then, they had her fully dressed in the park and just so happens to come across Alpo to tell him the "news". And the inane sprinklers going off.
What was up with that editing?
Or am I just imagining things out of order?
Diann
Permalink posted by : Friday, March 18, 2011 at 6:58:00 PM EDT
: Friday, March 18, 2011 at 6:58:00 PM EDT
Diann, you are not imagining things out of order. If you look at the old recaps and their comments you will see some conversation about these very things.
They seem to have been either errors from sheer carelessness, or possibly the result of a last-minute decision that made it impossible to do things the "right" way under strict deadlines.
They seem to have been either errors from sheer carelessness, or possibly the result of a last-minute decision that made it impossible to do things the "right" way under strict deadlines.
Full circle.
1. Lety said she’d marry him, but then she broke her promise, and Fernando suffered. Just like Fern promised Lety he’d cancel the wedding when Marcia came back from Germany, but then he broke his promise, and Lety suffered.
2. Fernando has to accept that Lety has chosen someone else. Just like Lety had to accept that Fernando was going to marry Marcia.
I think the restaurant scene with Fern and Pop was raw video. Notice how harsh the look and sound was? What’s shot is raw video. Then in Editing it’s polished up to give the "feel" we're accustomed to. But sometimes in an emergency they have to use raw video. That once happened at the Padilla house. Pop was talking and part of the scene hat the harsh look of raw video.
In this one today, maybe the scene was shot but left raw when they decided to use the scene after the proposal. Then later they decided to use today’s clip for some reason, but had to use it raw.
1. Lety said she’d marry him, but then she broke her promise, and Fernando suffered. Just like Fern promised Lety he’d cancel the wedding when Marcia came back from Germany, but then he broke his promise, and Lety suffered.
2. Fernando has to accept that Lety has chosen someone else. Just like Lety had to accept that Fernando was going to marry Marcia.
I think the restaurant scene with Fern and Pop was raw video. Notice how harsh the look and sound was? What’s shot is raw video. Then in Editing it’s polished up to give the "feel" we're accustomed to. But sometimes in an emergency they have to use raw video. That once happened at the Padilla house. Pop was talking and part of the scene hat the harsh look of raw video.
In this one today, maybe the scene was shot but left raw when they decided to use the scene after the proposal. Then later they decided to use today’s clip for some reason, but had to use it raw.
Here is something to watch for in Monday's 2nd cap. Lety has a chat with Fernando in her office. Then Aldo enters and Fern leaves. Watch for a change in Lety's demeanor, and tell me what you see. It's subtle; that's why I'm telling you now, so you don't miss it.
I just found something in my old notes. I think it explains Lety's choice. It's all about fear.
When Lety loves, she gets crushed. So even though Fern loves her, she's still afraid love will hurt. So she chooses Aldo as a "fence" to keep her from falling back into Fernando's arms.
Aldo's most distinct characteristic is that he's safe and nurturing. He's the only one who is safe to love. And since her love for him is shallow, he can only cause a shallow pain.
So I say that she chose Aldo, not because she hasn't forgiven Fernando, but because she's afraid that to love him means she'll be destroyed.
When Lety loves, she gets crushed. So even though Fern loves her, she's still afraid love will hurt. So she chooses Aldo as a "fence" to keep her from falling back into Fernando's arms.
Aldo's most distinct characteristic is that he's safe and nurturing. He's the only one who is safe to love. And since her love for him is shallow, he can only cause a shallow pain.
So I say that she chose Aldo, not because she hasn't forgiven Fernando, but because she's afraid that to love him means she'll be destroyed.
Nope Paula, I don't agree. I do agree that Lety chose Aldo because he is safe; her pacifier. But, I think deep inside of her, she's doing a little payback. I don't think she realizes that because she, on the surface, says she doesn't want Fernando hurting. But c'mon, Lety, you're not that stupid. You have to know that you are causing Fernando trememdous pain just like you suffered.
So Paula, I think Lety is trying to play both sides of the fence. She'll do the relationship thing with Aldo but still maintain contact with Fernando, like she's hedging her bets. I bet we'll see that she's not willing to give up Fernando for Aldo; she just wants to jiggle the knife in Fernando's heart some more.
So Paula, I think Lety is trying to play both sides of the fence. She'll do the relationship thing with Aldo but still maintain contact with Fernando, like she's hedging her bets. I bet we'll see that she's not willing to give up Fernando for Aldo; she just wants to jiggle the knife in Fernando's heart some more.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 10:35:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 10:35:00 AM EDT
I tend to agree with the shallow love, shallow pain idea. But stronger I think is the fact that choosing Fernando means losing Aldo completely. Aldo's made that plain. But choosing Aldo doesn't mean losing Fernando completely. He'll still be around. So she made the safer choice in more ways than one.
Güera
Güera
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 11:42:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 11:42:00 AM EDT
I think Aldo is both a shallow love minimal pain and a pacifier. I can give Lety more depth than the writers! Our actions are never really motivated by one thing in real life so why should Lety's. She wants Aldo for a number of reasons AND she wants Fern near by for other reasons. But isn't that a full circle keeping both men near by? Fern did that and now she is trying it out. Although Fern kept Marcia in the dark so to speak he knew he was hurting everyone involved. Lety thinks she is being kind to everyone by being upfront and open about her choice. Maybe it is a non-choice when you decide to go with someone but keep the other close by!
Jenn
Jenn
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 11:53:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 11:53:00 AM EDT
Jenn, I think you have a good point there. Lety's choice was a non-choice because she knew Fernando would not leave her. The only time she stepped out and made her feelings known is when Fernando said he was leaving for Rio for the next several years or couple of decades. Lety made her feelings known to Aldo after he had left for Acapulco and then came back. So basically, Lety is trying to have her cake and eat it too. Paula, full circle, because that's what Fernando did with Lety and Marcia. Aldo is Lety's backup plan just as Marcia was Fernando's.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 12:43:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 12:43:00 PM EDT
Wow! I knew 259/260 had a lot of Full Circle material, but you folks are digging up all sorts of gems!
Here's mine. The president loves the assistant but still chooses another for expediency (remember, Fern was still going to marry Marcia).
Here's mine. The president loves the assistant but still chooses another for expediency (remember, Fern was still going to marry Marcia).
Barb I agree that Aldo is Lety back up that she moved to the front because basically I think she is a coward. She is afraid of being hurt to the point where it dominates her thinking. On one hand we have Fern who did hurt her and on the other Aldo who never has. Push come to shove she is going to take the safe way. In every way Aldo and his platitudes and constant advise giving is what she deserves. With him she will have a nice placid safe life. WHAt A FOOL!
Could not help laughing when Fern was in the office moaning about Lety and Omar told him between him and Aurora he was being driven crazy. Poor Omar lately he can't seem to get any woman to sit through h a meal with him. He makes me laugh because i know a couple of guys like him who are all about the chase, who keep it light and can't believe someone would reject them. One thing I do know is that when they fall they fall fast and hard and make outstanding husbands (unlike the preachy sneaky Aldo types).
Aldo's faux advice to Tomy is too much. Give someone space? This from the guy who is sticking to Lety like glue and not only doesn't give her emotional space but also physically crowds her.
Could not help laughing when Fern was in the office moaning about Lety and Omar told him between him and Aurora he was being driven crazy. Poor Omar lately he can't seem to get any woman to sit through h a meal with him. He makes me laugh because i know a couple of guys like him who are all about the chase, who keep it light and can't believe someone would reject them. One thing I do know is that when they fall they fall fast and hard and make outstanding husbands (unlike the preachy sneaky Aldo types).
Aldo's faux advice to Tomy is too much. Give someone space? This from the guy who is sticking to Lety like glue and not only doesn't give her emotional space but also physically crowds her.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 2:10:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 2:10:00 PM EDT
Julie too funny. She looks scared to death. I couldn't help wishing that when they sucking face (because that's what it looked like) in the park that those sprinklers would have drenched them and cooled off overheated Aldo. No such luck. I suppose someone that it might look romantic. It wasn't.
When Fern overheard Aldo and Lety talking he looked like someone had stabbed him to the heart. I felt like it too. He can really convey emotion without going overboard.
Someone mentioned that odd bit when Fern was once again telling ColdPop that he loved Lety. If you weren't focusing as intently as some of us are it might have slipped past since it took place on different days. One of the things that always amuses me with novelas is how blatantly bad some of the continuity and editing is. I was watching MdA the other day and there was an intense scene between one of the female characters and one of the men. The very next scene had her in the courtroom where one of those ridiculous miscarriage of Mexican justice trials was going on. Cut to next scene and it's the same woman and guy finishing off their conversation. It was so obvious it was hilarious.
When Fern overheard Aldo and Lety talking he looked like someone had stabbed him to the heart. I felt like it too. He can really convey emotion without going overboard.
Someone mentioned that odd bit when Fern was once again telling ColdPop that he loved Lety. If you weren't focusing as intently as some of us are it might have slipped past since it took place on different days. One of the things that always amuses me with novelas is how blatantly bad some of the continuity and editing is. I was watching MdA the other day and there was an intense scene between one of the female characters and one of the men. The very next scene had her in the courtroom where one of those ridiculous miscarriage of Mexican justice trials was going on. Cut to next scene and it's the same woman and guy finishing off their conversation. It was so obvious it was hilarious.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 4:20:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 4:20:00 PM EDT
Hey all, I just finished catching up on all the Fea episodes and recaps. Great job on the recaps and pictures! I actually read all the old recaps and Paula's new recaps, there was just too much good stuff and I was afraid I'd miss something.
First reaction, episode 251...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!? Unbelievable. Second reaction, kinda silly after all Lety and Fer have been through AND their little road trip to Reconciliation Resort. Ah well, guess that's what happens when they quickly extend a series; all sorts of goofiness and discontinuity ensues.
Julie, I like your theory about Fernando and Lety having to walk in each others shoes. I also like Jenn's non-choice theory regarding Lety. I don't think Lety's quite the schemer that the writers seem to be making her. OK, so she did want to give Omar a taste of his own medicine but it was pretty harmless and she needed to get the earring. I'll buy that they both need to go full circle before they can fully appreciate what has motivated the other.
I might be in the minority but for the most part I am quite enjoying the Tomas/Alicia scenes. I loved it when she sang her song in Acapulco. It was a great scene in so many ways, crying at the wrong time (she thought), calling Tomas "Oxi", truly appreciating him for the first time albeit temporarily. Paula, thanks for her youtube link for that song.
Paula, I read what you wrote in a past post about Camil not winning the Premio for this role. I also watched the link and found it fascinating and painful. What a crime that his tour de force performance in this show was not recognized at the Premios. However his performance in Fea will be remembered much longer than any silly premios show.
First reaction, episode 251...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!? Unbelievable. Second reaction, kinda silly after all Lety and Fer have been through AND their little road trip to Reconciliation Resort. Ah well, guess that's what happens when they quickly extend a series; all sorts of goofiness and discontinuity ensues.
Julie, I like your theory about Fernando and Lety having to walk in each others shoes. I also like Jenn's non-choice theory regarding Lety. I don't think Lety's quite the schemer that the writers seem to be making her. OK, so she did want to give Omar a taste of his own medicine but it was pretty harmless and she needed to get the earring. I'll buy that they both need to go full circle before they can fully appreciate what has motivated the other.
I might be in the minority but for the most part I am quite enjoying the Tomas/Alicia scenes. I loved it when she sang her song in Acapulco. It was a great scene in so many ways, crying at the wrong time (she thought), calling Tomas "Oxi", truly appreciating him for the first time albeit temporarily. Paula, thanks for her youtube link for that song.
Paula, I read what you wrote in a past post about Camil not winning the Premio for this role. I also watched the link and found it fascinating and painful. What a crime that his tour de force performance in this show was not recognized at the Premios. However his performance in Fea will be remembered much longer than any silly premios show.
Welcome back, Sylvia! I've missed you. Will you be able to stick around now for the duration (4 weeks)? I hope so. As you can see, the discussion has been outstanding, and I look forward to your input.
Eduardo Yanez was very good in La Verdad Oculta but there is no way his performance outgunned Jaime Camil's in La Fea. Yanez is a good actor but he does not have the sublety of Camil and never will. Jaime Camil can say more with his simple expressions than most people can with 100 words. There is no excuse for Jaime not to have received that award except that politics raised its ugly head again.
I would be hard pressed to think of any actor in any TN that has done a more outstanding job than Jaime Camil. Although my first TN was Sorteligio, I've looked at several of them on YouTube. There's been good performances, but Jaime's in La Fea is a great performance. What he does with a role takes great skill and few actors have it. Most actors have to be on target for the length of a movie, which has much editing. Jaime Camil has been on target every episode and La Fea is a whole lot longer than any movie.
I nominate Jaime Camil as the king of all TN actors. Anyone with me?
I would be hard pressed to think of any actor in any TN that has done a more outstanding job than Jaime Camil. Although my first TN was Sorteligio, I've looked at several of them on YouTube. There's been good performances, but Jaime's in La Fea is a great performance. What he does with a role takes great skill and few actors have it. Most actors have to be on target for the length of a movie, which has much editing. Jaime Camil has been on target every episode and La Fea is a whole lot longer than any movie.
I nominate Jaime Camil as the king of all TN actors. Anyone with me?
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 7:55:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 7:55:00 PM EDT
I'll gladly second the nomination, Barbara (are you surprised?). All in favor?
Actually I think his loss of the premio is closely related to his superior acting skills. From what I understand (someone correct me?), Televisa's acting factory spits out actors. If you go to the school, they own your soul. It gives them a steady supply of actors trained the TVisa way (ever notice everyone wears an earpiece except Camil?), and their valued performers can’t jump ship. They get quantity, but without open market competition, the quality is lacking. Camil got his drama training privately (are we surprised?), so he’s a much better actor, and he has tremendous range instead of a menu of preprogrammed responses. But since he didn’t use their school, TVisa never owned him. Regardless of his performance, they weren't about to give the big prize to someone not from their stable.
TVisa tries to maintain the illusion that the premios are based on the public's voting - people feel good if they think their voice matters. Since the public knew Camil won the public vote by a landslide, the 2007 Premios, IMHO, proved once and for all that the public votes are a total sham.
Actually I think his loss of the premio is closely related to his superior acting skills. From what I understand (someone correct me?), Televisa's acting factory spits out actors. If you go to the school, they own your soul. It gives them a steady supply of actors trained the TVisa way (ever notice everyone wears an earpiece except Camil?), and their valued performers can’t jump ship. They get quantity, but without open market competition, the quality is lacking. Camil got his drama training privately (are we surprised?), so he’s a much better actor, and he has tremendous range instead of a menu of preprogrammed responses. But since he didn’t use their school, TVisa never owned him. Regardless of his performance, they weren't about to give the big prize to someone not from their stable.
TVisa tries to maintain the illusion that the premios are based on the public's voting - people feel good if they think their voice matters. Since the public knew Camil won the public vote by a landslide, the 2007 Premios, IMHO, proved once and for all that the public votes are a total sham.
Firstly I'd like to welcome Sylvia back!!!
I was wondering where you went....
Glad to see you returned and hope you will be here til the fin.
Secondly,
I am in the Jaime Camil best actor camp.
No one even comes close.
Diann
I was wondering where you went....
Glad to see you returned and hope you will be here til the fin.
Secondly,
I am in the Jaime Camil best actor camp.
No one even comes close.
Diann
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 9:45:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 9:45:00 PM EDT
Thanks y'all, I'm back for the duration. I was up in freezing cold Eastern Oregon for a couple of weeks and then down in sunny Banderas Bay for a week. It took me a week to catch up on all the episodes.
Poor, poor Aldo, starving because he sacrificed all his earthly possessions because he's so noble and all that. Did you notice? When Lety tried to pay back part of the debt, the $1.7M they earned on the food campaign, he refused! Of course, he said it was to keep Conceptos capitalized. BUT if as many people say, Lety is with him because she is indebted to him, then he would be in no big hurry for that debt to be paid. In fact he'd actively avoid it!
Good point, Paula. Aldo doesn't want that debt paid back until he has Lety securely where he wants her. Right now, he's smart enough to know that what Fernando is feeling weighs on her heart. Aldo's not confident enough, inside, to fully trust the quick conversion by Lety. The debt keeps him in her life and she tied to him. Nice psychoanalyzing Paula.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 20, 2011 at 7:09:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, March 20, 2011 at 7:09:00 AM EDT
Excellent point about Aldo and his motivation. As for him starving because he gave up all his worldly good oh PULEEZE. His father is filthy rich so all he needed to do was ask for a loan or an advance on his inheritance. While there is a certain nobility to actually working for a living he should just keep his yap shut. I'm actually surprised that Fausto didn't offer him a loan. Talk about some strange family dynamics. Score one more point for emotional manipulation.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 20, 2011 at 1:49:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 20, 2011 at 1:49:00 PM EDT
I finally got the chance to catch up on the episodes today and I think today was the first time that I was actually moved by Jaime Camil's tears. I've always felt he was a good actor, but whenever he cried before it always felt a little false to me. I think today I truly felt the pain of his character...fine job him in those scenes.
In regards to Aldo's advice to Tomas - I think that he truly believes that this is what he's done in regards to 'conquering' Lety's heart. He doesn't see his buying the debt of Conceptos as a manipulation at all...he just sees it as stepping in to help the love of his life. I think that in this instance - his advice to Tomas might actually help Tommy to reel Alicia in...he certainly has her attention now. Up until now she's been incredibly horrible to Tomas so I think she needs a taste of her own medicine!
I think on the other board Melinama gave some good reasons that I happen to agree with about why Aldo's character seems to rub so many the wrong way. I tend to agree with Guera that I take that character at his word and I honestly think that although it was really a horrible way to break the news to Fern - he didn't intentionally mean to be the one to share the news of his and Lety's relationship. In fact I appreciated the fact that he urged Lety to have the conversation with Fern. Now the one thing that I agree is that he definitely doesn't want to have Conceptos repay the debt so that he can remain close to Lety; BUT I also don't think it's economically feasible for them to be able to repay it immediately anyway. They couldn't get a loan just a few days ago so I think her offer was sort of poor & inconsistent writing just to make us doubt Aldo. I think he's definitely smart enough to realize that he needs to make sure she doesn't change her mind on him like she's done to poor Fern and in that way I think he's protecting his investment in her...Personally the way I think he sees it is that he's a farmer protecting his chickens from a wild fox.
I also noted that both men today referred to each other as good guys when they didn't have to even though they really can't stand each other. That was something I liked about both of them is that they are big enough to recognize that the other guy has some redeeming qualities.
I think the observation that Lety is still hedging her bets is an interesting one, but I'm not so sure it's an intentional choice to hedge on her part. I got the sense that the reason she was so afraid to speak to Fern was because she didn't know how he'd react and she really truly didn't want to hurt him. In fact for all she knows he could run off to Rio or somewhere else tomorrow anyway (especially the way Conceptos seems to be a revolving door). I do think that she chose Aldo because she knows he will never cause her any pain (at least intentionally). They are both two wounded hearts that can help each other to heal...
Fern's reaction was shock. I think that's why he says he's going to go back to working...he doesn't know what else to do. He's angry, but he doesn't want to show that to Lety because she's already seen his angry side and I don't think he wants to prove her fears again. He's was blindsided in these caps. because he didn't expect Lety to choose the other guy.
In regards to Aldo's advice to Tomas - I think that he truly believes that this is what he's done in regards to 'conquering' Lety's heart. He doesn't see his buying the debt of Conceptos as a manipulation at all...he just sees it as stepping in to help the love of his life. I think that in this instance - his advice to Tomas might actually help Tommy to reel Alicia in...he certainly has her attention now. Up until now she's been incredibly horrible to Tomas so I think she needs a taste of her own medicine!
I think on the other board Melinama gave some good reasons that I happen to agree with about why Aldo's character seems to rub so many the wrong way. I tend to agree with Guera that I take that character at his word and I honestly think that although it was really a horrible way to break the news to Fern - he didn't intentionally mean to be the one to share the news of his and Lety's relationship. In fact I appreciated the fact that he urged Lety to have the conversation with Fern. Now the one thing that I agree is that he definitely doesn't want to have Conceptos repay the debt so that he can remain close to Lety; BUT I also don't think it's economically feasible for them to be able to repay it immediately anyway. They couldn't get a loan just a few days ago so I think her offer was sort of poor & inconsistent writing just to make us doubt Aldo. I think he's definitely smart enough to realize that he needs to make sure she doesn't change her mind on him like she's done to poor Fern and in that way I think he's protecting his investment in her...Personally the way I think he sees it is that he's a farmer protecting his chickens from a wild fox.
I also noted that both men today referred to each other as good guys when they didn't have to even though they really can't stand each other. That was something I liked about both of them is that they are big enough to recognize that the other guy has some redeeming qualities.
I think the observation that Lety is still hedging her bets is an interesting one, but I'm not so sure it's an intentional choice to hedge on her part. I got the sense that the reason she was so afraid to speak to Fern was because she didn't know how he'd react and she really truly didn't want to hurt him. In fact for all she knows he could run off to Rio or somewhere else tomorrow anyway (especially the way Conceptos seems to be a revolving door). I do think that she chose Aldo because she knows he will never cause her any pain (at least intentionally). They are both two wounded hearts that can help each other to heal...
Fern's reaction was shock. I think that's why he says he's going to go back to working...he doesn't know what else to do. He's angry, but he doesn't want to show that to Lety because she's already seen his angry side and I don't think he wants to prove her fears again. He's was blindsided in these caps. because he didn't expect Lety to choose the other guy.
Part 2...(sorry for such long posts)
One major problem I had with Lety in these caps. was her pushing off the Omar/Aurora problem to poor Caro. She started something and now doesn't want to finish it or at least offer a solution to clean the problem up? I was also thinking about the reasons for Lety's seemingly poor decision making skills and backward regression. I think that the Lety character doesn't handle stress or intimidation very well (that's consistent throughout this series) and that's a big cause for some of her regression. I just don't think it can ALL be entirely blamed on Aldo. I don't buy it because he really helped to bring about a noticeable positive change in her in Acapulco...
I agree with all of the full circle moments you all have pointed out from Friday's caps. I can't think of anymore to add right now, but I wonder if Lety will lose Fern completely like he sort of lost her completely when she went away to Acapulco? Or was that his time in NYC? I don't really think it necessarily was because she knew where he was the entire time, but maybe that won't be a full circle point at all.
I sort of was afraid that Lety would never get to speak to Fern, I wish that she'd pushed to do it this morning, but that's also a consistent characteristic of Lety. She's constantly never able to fully say what she'd like to because she never pushes the other characters to let her say her piece. In fact the ONLY character I think she's ever challenged on this point was Aldo when he wouldn't let her say what she wanted to say to Omar when they were at the resort together. Otherwise she just sort of allows the other characters to over talk her or ignore her when she's trying to give them important info (e.g. recently Marcia & Fern).
As for Fausto offering Aldo a loan - I actually don't think it's strange at all. I think Fausto would gladly do it for him and actually wants him to come help out with the family business. Maybe that's why Aldo doesn't want to ask his dad for help - the price for that loan would probably be giving up on his dreams forever and just going back to the family biz. I can understand why he wouldn't want to ask for the money from his dad - I'm personally the same way (sometimes the cost of borrowing money from your parents or family just isn't worth the peace of mind you get from working hard on your own to get it!) I also think that it was important that he told Lety it wasn't a sacrifice for him - I think that's a sign that he's not necessarily using it as emotional blackmail - I've never gotten the sense that he's using it as emotional blackmail towards her, but more of a way to show how much he cares...his love language is gifts and grand gestures...Fern's love language seems to be more "words of affirmation." I sort of think Lety likes the gifts more than words of affirmation - did you notice the way her face lit up when she rec'd the flowers from Aldo? Or when she was talking about his sacrifice by giving up the restaurant? One other thing that bothered me and I know maybe they didn't have time, but Fern proposed marriage to Lety, but never gave her a ring but he had time to go get that shared diary for her...I wonder if that ever bothered her at all especially given the fact that she knows his track record with engagements?
One major problem I had with Lety in these caps. was her pushing off the Omar/Aurora problem to poor Caro. She started something and now doesn't want to finish it or at least offer a solution to clean the problem up? I was also thinking about the reasons for Lety's seemingly poor decision making skills and backward regression. I think that the Lety character doesn't handle stress or intimidation very well (that's consistent throughout this series) and that's a big cause for some of her regression. I just don't think it can ALL be entirely blamed on Aldo. I don't buy it because he really helped to bring about a noticeable positive change in her in Acapulco...
I agree with all of the full circle moments you all have pointed out from Friday's caps. I can't think of anymore to add right now, but I wonder if Lety will lose Fern completely like he sort of lost her completely when she went away to Acapulco? Or was that his time in NYC? I don't really think it necessarily was because she knew where he was the entire time, but maybe that won't be a full circle point at all.
I sort of was afraid that Lety would never get to speak to Fern, I wish that she'd pushed to do it this morning, but that's also a consistent characteristic of Lety. She's constantly never able to fully say what she'd like to because she never pushes the other characters to let her say her piece. In fact the ONLY character I think she's ever challenged on this point was Aldo when he wouldn't let her say what she wanted to say to Omar when they were at the resort together. Otherwise she just sort of allows the other characters to over talk her or ignore her when she's trying to give them important info (e.g. recently Marcia & Fern).
As for Fausto offering Aldo a loan - I actually don't think it's strange at all. I think Fausto would gladly do it for him and actually wants him to come help out with the family business. Maybe that's why Aldo doesn't want to ask his dad for help - the price for that loan would probably be giving up on his dreams forever and just going back to the family biz. I can understand why he wouldn't want to ask for the money from his dad - I'm personally the same way (sometimes the cost of borrowing money from your parents or family just isn't worth the peace of mind you get from working hard on your own to get it!) I also think that it was important that he told Lety it wasn't a sacrifice for him - I think that's a sign that he's not necessarily using it as emotional blackmail - I've never gotten the sense that he's using it as emotional blackmail towards her, but more of a way to show how much he cares...his love language is gifts and grand gestures...Fern's love language seems to be more "words of affirmation." I sort of think Lety likes the gifts more than words of affirmation - did you notice the way her face lit up when she rec'd the flowers from Aldo? Or when she was talking about his sacrifice by giving up the restaurant? One other thing that bothered me and I know maybe they didn't have time, but Fern proposed marriage to Lety, but never gave her a ring but he had time to go get that shared diary for her...I wonder if that ever bothered her at all especially given the fact that she knows his track record with engagements?
GP, I tend to agree that Aldo wasn't crowing about it when he told Fern that Lety chose him. She'd said that she was going to tell Fern immediately, and then Fern comes and congratulates him. It's only logical to assume that it was about Lety, so of course Aldo would commend Fern's noble gesture. Maybe he was a smidge presumido, but overall he handled it reasonably, given what he knew.
You said you were moved by his tears. I propose it's because Camil was holding back in earlier caps. We can see from his face and demeanor that he's more deeply in love than he was while she was in Aca, which means he had to "hold back" in that stage so he could max out now. Likewise, if he loves more now, he also suffers more now. So he had to hold back on the suffering then, so he could exceed that old level of suffering in this new stage. Does that make sense?
About Aldo. Yes, he helped her in Acapulco. But what has he done for her lately? I don't mean the loan. What has he done for her confidence, self worth, strength, maturity, etc.?
And lastly, I'm pleasantly surprised by how many posts Friday's shows generated. Watching and writing them was agony for me. I really expected that we'd a bunch of complaining posts, but quite the contrary. 43 posts. You folks found a plentitude of meaty things to talk about. Además, Sylvia's back!
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You said you were moved by his tears. I propose it's because Camil was holding back in earlier caps. We can see from his face and demeanor that he's more deeply in love than he was while she was in Aca, which means he had to "hold back" in that stage so he could max out now. Likewise, if he loves more now, he also suffers more now. So he had to hold back on the suffering then, so he could exceed that old level of suffering in this new stage. Does that make sense?
About Aldo. Yes, he helped her in Acapulco. But what has he done for her lately? I don't mean the loan. What has he done for her confidence, self worth, strength, maturity, etc.?
And lastly, I'm pleasantly surprised by how many posts Friday's shows generated. Watching and writing them was agony for me. I really expected that we'd a bunch of complaining posts, but quite the contrary. 43 posts. You folks found a plentitude of meaty things to talk about. Además, Sylvia's back!
THIS IS FUN.
Yay, Sylvia's back!
GP, interesting observation that Fernando bought a diary and not a ring. (Actually, I don't think Marcia had a ring either until Omar got her one!) I actually thought the diary was more personal, more thoughtful, and more meaningful; something they could share. It was also a gesture to right the wrong that he had committed in reading her diary.
Everybody gives rings, so while it's sort of important and meaningful to observe the tradition, it doesn't seem very personal or unique. Sort of like all those months when Fern (or Omar) was giving her the candy, flowers, stuffed animals, etc. - those are nice, unobjectionable gifts that can have some sentimental value, but they're nothing compared to something that's personal and reflects on both the giver and the recipient and something they have in common.
Also, given the financial condition of the company and the fact that he's not getting his monthly stipend or whatever, he probably can't afford a ring.
Come to think of it, is Fern even getting a salary now? Maybe Lety should have bought him a ring!
GP, interesting observation that Fernando bought a diary and not a ring. (Actually, I don't think Marcia had a ring either until Omar got her one!) I actually thought the diary was more personal, more thoughtful, and more meaningful; something they could share. It was also a gesture to right the wrong that he had committed in reading her diary.
Everybody gives rings, so while it's sort of important and meaningful to observe the tradition, it doesn't seem very personal or unique. Sort of like all those months when Fern (or Omar) was giving her the candy, flowers, stuffed animals, etc. - those are nice, unobjectionable gifts that can have some sentimental value, but they're nothing compared to something that's personal and reflects on both the giver and the recipient and something they have in common.
Also, given the financial condition of the company and the fact that he's not getting his monthly stipend or whatever, he probably can't afford a ring.
Come to think of it, is Fern even getting a salary now? Maybe Lety should have bought him a ring!
You folks are the best! I missed our conversations when I was out of town. It was interesting to watch so many episodes back to back because the character development was a bit more apparent (except for the lurch at episode 251).
Even though I have stuck up for Aldo in the past I was really getting annoyed at him for being the grand manipulator, but when he kicked Ariel out he went up in my estimation again. Obviously he is not the guy for Lety, just doesn't make her heart go pitter pat like Fernando does.
Lety's mom started out liking Fernando, then preferring Aldo, but now she seems to be back on Team Fernando. Is that a full circle for her or is her jury still out on the suitors?
Even though I have stuck up for Aldo in the past I was really getting annoyed at him for being the grand manipulator, but when he kicked Ariel out he went up in my estimation again. Obviously he is not the guy for Lety, just doesn't make her heart go pitter pat like Fernando does.
Lety's mom started out liking Fernando, then preferring Aldo, but now she seems to be back on Team Fernando. Is that a full circle for her or is her jury still out on the suitors?
Paula - it's an interesting theory that maybe Jaime/Fern was holding back before. I guess it would depend on how far ahead they got the scripts and understood where this storyline was going to get such a nuanced performance. He's def a pro, whatever the reason!
To answer your question - here is one example of Aldo's support of Lety. He stepped in (when he really didn't have to) and stopped Ariel from firing Lety and half her staff. Then afterwards when he asks her if she still wants to remain president - (he's giving her a choice here) and she chose to remain president although he was really hoping that she'd leave for Acapulco with him. Then he tells her to have faith in herself.
I think that although Lety makes some horrible decisions with everything else in her life - there have been at least two instances where I've seen her call Aldo on his pushiness - she does it again in the conversation with Aldo about why he comes back to help the company and why he offers the presidency. She straight out tells him that she thought he was manipulating the situation. Although it may not seem like it, I think this is some growth on her character's party. She just needs to use it in all of the other areas of her life too. Although Aldo spouts a ton of pyscho babble and is written inconsistently, I think he does support Lety and pushes her to grow and try new things. How she reacts to it, isn't necessarily all his fault.
The lack of a ring really bothered me for some reason. Yes it's completely unoriginal, but for almost every single woman who gets married, it's almost as important as the actual wedding day. I thought it was really important that Fern never actually bought Marcia's ring for her, so choosing & buying one for Lety really could have shown yet another difference in the two relationships. I think had he given her the diary + the ring that would have been the most amazing gift. Now he's got the diary all for himself. I wonder if one of the full circle moments will be Lety reading Fern's diary...maybe instead she'll discover that creepy shrine he has up in his house of her. I can't imagine Fern is doing too badly financially even if he isn't drawing a salary. He strikes me as the type of guy that I can see having no problems asking his parents for money (even with all of his growth and development).
I'm glad to have you back Silvia too! I agree Aldo & Lety aren't the most passionate couple, but I think for now he offers the safety that she needs to heal. I agree with what Julie said earlier - that ideally Lety would have dropped both men and figured it out on her own.
To answer your question - here is one example of Aldo's support of Lety. He stepped in (when he really didn't have to) and stopped Ariel from firing Lety and half her staff. Then afterwards when he asks her if she still wants to remain president - (he's giving her a choice here) and she chose to remain president although he was really hoping that she'd leave for Acapulco with him. Then he tells her to have faith in herself.
I think that although Lety makes some horrible decisions with everything else in her life - there have been at least two instances where I've seen her call Aldo on his pushiness - she does it again in the conversation with Aldo about why he comes back to help the company and why he offers the presidency. She straight out tells him that she thought he was manipulating the situation. Although it may not seem like it, I think this is some growth on her character's party. She just needs to use it in all of the other areas of her life too. Although Aldo spouts a ton of pyscho babble and is written inconsistently, I think he does support Lety and pushes her to grow and try new things. How she reacts to it, isn't necessarily all his fault.
The lack of a ring really bothered me for some reason. Yes it's completely unoriginal, but for almost every single woman who gets married, it's almost as important as the actual wedding day. I thought it was really important that Fern never actually bought Marcia's ring for her, so choosing & buying one for Lety really could have shown yet another difference in the two relationships. I think had he given her the diary + the ring that would have been the most amazing gift. Now he's got the diary all for himself. I wonder if one of the full circle moments will be Lety reading Fern's diary...maybe instead she'll discover that creepy shrine he has up in his house of her. I can't imagine Fern is doing too badly financially even if he isn't drawing a salary. He strikes me as the type of guy that I can see having no problems asking his parents for money (even with all of his growth and development).
I'm glad to have you back Silvia too! I agree Aldo & Lety aren't the most passionate couple, but I think for now he offers the safety that she needs to heal. I agree with what Julie said earlier - that ideally Lety would have dropped both men and figured it out on her own.
One other example I meant to mention is his going to talk to Luigi and encouraging him to get to know Lety better. Although some might see it as manipulation, in the end I think it'll actually help Lety to do her job better plus I see this as him helping to remove any suffering from her life. Not everyone will agree with it, but I know it's something Fern probably couldn't do, because I don't think Luigi ever respected him.
GP, I really think it was a question of time. It's one thing to stop by the office supply store and get a leather-bound journal on your way to the office. It's quite another to pick out an engagement ring. Remember, the morning after the engagement, Fern wanted to rush into Lety's house to talk to her father, but Lety said she had to prepare them. I'm sure, were it not for what Sylvia called "the lurch," he would've taken her ring shopping that afternoon, then gone to talk to Erasmo. Heck, he would've done the civil ceremony that day, had she let him!
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