Tuesday, March 29, 2011
Triunfo del Amor #77-78 3/28/11 What if a miracle occurred but you couldn’t see it cuz you left your glasses in your other bag?
Hi all: Novela Maven had some problems posting her recap - it was all one paragraph! It seemed to be ok when I posted it so that is what we did. Enjoy!
Triunfo del Amor, Mon. 3-28-11: What if a miracle occurred but you couldn’t see it cuz you left your glasses in your other bag?
Part One: The Aftermath of the Crash
Part One of this evening’s program is a bitter pill more easily swallowed in summary form than in a scene-by-scene recap. [If this ain’t a Llorathon, Doris, then I don’t know what is!]
We open with a reprise of the crash that killed Scuzzy and left Fer gravely injured. We get another peek at Doña Demente posing like a saint with a broken neck (if only.) Sandoval kith and kin gather at the hospital and spend a very long, anguish-filled day and evening waiting for news about Fer.
Let’s just take it as a given -- Victoria weeps. She weeps in grief and guilt and despair. She is inconsolable. Toni, Oscar and Pip are there as true friends. Max is there as her rock. Juan Pablo comes later to offer solace and prayer.
Ximena and Roxana are there to protect their investment.
But Xi can hardly disguise her boredom. She looks at her nails a lot and occasionally rolls her eyes. What a bitch.
Padilla grieves alone.
Meanwhile the solitary Rodolfo Padilla visits his son at the morgue. He is also wracked with anguish – and hate! He vows to get even for his son’s death.
Fer is rushed into surgery.
She has so many injuries that Victoria doesn’t know exactly what the doctors will be doing. But this much she does know: the surgery will be dangerous and long and there are no guarantees of survival: No sabemos si podrá resistir la cirugía. (We don’t know if she’ll be able to withstand/survive the surgery.)
Were you wondering what JuanJo looked like as a baby?
Here’s the good news: Milagros was able to salvage his baby album and we all get to chuckle over his pompitas (cute little tushie).
The folks sheltering at the church dispensary talk about the accident. After all, the three bomberos, Napo, JJ and Cruz were the first on the scene. Cruz is having a hard time keeping it together.
Where's Osvaldo?
Max tries to phone Osvaldo (it seems he ended up in New York). Unfortunately he is in a cabin in the woods, [Really? A cabin in the woods?] a place with no phone reception, so they are unable to get the news to him immediately. [Apparently the place is so remote, even corazonadas can’t get through.]
Xi calls Gui to gloat.
Ximena takes advantage of Max’s absence to sneak off and call Guillermo. Gui is coldly sarcastic about Fer’s condition. But when Xi points out (with some pleasure) that Osvaldo will surely come running home to take care of his daughter and then will realize that Gui has defrauded him and then Gui will go to jail -- well. Gui understands he has to get to the hospital and play the part of loyal family friend so Osvaldo won’t even think of distrusting him or asking for an account of his investment.
Cruz and Fabián give their life blood to the love of their lives.
When Gui gets to the hospital, Max tells him they are going to need more blood donors for Fer. But Cruz, who has just arrived, red rose in hand, overhears this and declares himself ready to donate as much blood as the señorita needs. Bleed me dry! Me too, declares Fer’s other surviving suitor, Fabián. [Good thing, too. There’s no telling what kind of cooties Gui carries in his bloodstream. I mean aside from pure malice, which may or may not be bloodborne.]
After donating blood, Cruz and Fabián have a man-to-man talk. Fabián admits that even though he has loved Fer for as long as he has known her, she never took him seriously. Cruz says he’s just a simple gardener and has no chance with Fer at all. But Fabián reminds him that Fer doesn’t care about money. This is a contest of feelings and hearts. They renew their gentleman’s pact – each will fight fairly for the love of his life.
Max is there for Victoria. Now María is there for Max.
María decides to go to the hospital to comfort Max even if she is risking an unpleasant encounter with Victoria or, even worse, with Ximena. She lucks out, though, and she and Max are able to spend a few minutes together and he gets to cry on her shoulder. Later, María confesses to the folks from the barrio that she feels something special for Fer -- she can’t explain it, it feels familial, as if Fer were the sister she always longed for.
Those made homeless by the fire have a place to live.
Napo and Millie have gone to visit Alma and the baby and bring back news that there is room for all of them in Alma’s vecindad.
Juan Pablo rushes to Victoria’s side.
Padre Jerónimo hear about Fer’s accident in the news and tells Juan Pablo about it. JP rushes off to comfort Victoria. When she tells him that Fer’s fate is in God’s hands, he is glad to hear she has come back to her faith. Apparently no one has told him there are no atheists in foxholes. Or intensive care waiting rooms.
The operation is over.
Fer survived. They will have to wait and see if there are complications. (But it would be a miracle if there are none.) Still, everyone is relieved at the news. And Fer is taken to recovery. Victoria maintains a bedside vigil and is there when Fer wakes up and asks for her father. The doctor is called and he examines her. She seems to understand him and answer his questions appropriately. But the reflex response in her knees is absent; and she has no reaction to painful stimulation to the soles of her feet.
The prognosis:
The doctor takes Victoria and Max aside and gives them the news: Fer is out of danger. But tragically: La Srta Fernanda Sandoval no volverá a caminar. (Miss Fernanda Sandoval will not walk again.)
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Entr’acte: Coming soon! Triunfo’s exciting sequel -- Amor Asqueroso! In which JuanJo and Xi discover they are almas gemelas (soulmates) when their paths cross in rehab. Drawn together by their Mommy fixation, and their hatred of Max Sandoval (Oh? You didn’t think JuanJo was thinking “Eat mierda and die, Güerito” when Super Guapo rescued Nathy from the bridge, or snatched María from the flames while the bomberos stood by with their hoses dangling uselessly?). In a stunning homage to his tour de force transvestite role in La Madrastra, Guillermo adds a pair of red heels to his cache of red gloves, black wig and shades and together with Paquita la del Barrio croons that crossover sensation, “I Love a Naco” (sung to the melody of “La Cucaracha”). A NovelaMaven/Telerisa Production.
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Part Two: After the aftermath
Of prayers and threats and Christians who aren’t very. And of lies repeated so often they begin to sound like truth. Victoria weeps. Bernarda rants. Juan Pablo prays. Max stands strong. María stands stronger. Padilla threatens. Guillermo slimes. Ximena whines and rolls her eyes. And Fer needs her daddy. Want more? Read on.
Victoria falls on Max’s chest and weeps for her daughter.
Juan Pablo is praying for Victoria when he feels a hand on his shoulder. It’s his mother and she has come to deliver her latest LoonyGram:
All the tragedy that Victoria has suffered is a punishment for your leaving the priesthood.
JP buries his face in his hands and then looks up and tries valiantly to talk to his mother as if she were a normal person, just maybe a little slow on the uptake: He. Did. Not. Abandon. The. Priesthood. He only left temporarily to care for his daughter. Still a priest, ma, still a priest! Get it?
A Slender Thread of Hope
The doctor explains to Victoria and Max that Fer’s spinal cord (la médula espinal) is severely damaged. But can’t anything be done? asks Max with some insistence. The doctor concedes there is one slender thread of hope:
Tu hermana tiene una posibilidad de volver a caminar después de varias terapias y unas cirugías muy dolorosas.
(Your sister has a chance of walking again -- after several treatments and some very painful surgeries.)
Victoria weeps. The doctor tells them they have to be strong and brave.
Poor Juan Pablo. Bernie’s not listening to you. She rants on: He’s the one who doesn’t understand that evil has overtaken his soul. This temporary leave stuff is just a pretext – every day he gets more attached to the frivolity of the world and more estranged from his priestly duties.
¿Te das cuenta que Dios, para castigarte a ti tortura a Victoria?
(Don’t you realize that God, in order to punish you, is torturing Victoria?)
Take a deep breath, JP. You can do it. He gives it another try: God doesn’t inflict torture, Mother! You are very wrong!
He tenses when she stands behind him, puts her hand on his shoulder again and tells him:
If you care so much for Victoria, don’t keep bringing down God’s wrath on her --
-- and here JP turns around to look directly into her evil eyes --
-- o lo lamentarás toda tu vida.
(or you’ll regret it all your life.)
Max sits at Fer’s bedside and weeps. Hermanita! [So? A man can stand strong and still weep. Have you learned nothing from Sweet William Levy?]
Victoria is in the hospital chapel multi-tasking. She weeps and prays. She asks God:
¿Qué te hice para castigarme así? ¿Qué te hice para que olvidaras de mí?
(What did I do to you to make you punish me like this? What did I do to you to make you forget me?/Why did you forget me?)
JP joins her in the chapel and assures her that, now more than ever, God is with her. She is incredulous: How can he say that when the doctors have just told her that daughter is paralyzed? But her daughter is alive, he reminds her – and the boy who was with her is dead.
Meanwhile Doña Demente tries her hand at consoling that dead boy’s father. She tells the sobbing Rodolfo Padilla:
Deje usted de atormentarse. Mejor piense que su hijo ya está descansando en los brazos del Señor.
(Stop tormenting yourself. It would be better to think that your son is now resting in the arms of the Lord.)
He treats her hollow piety with the scorn it deserves:
You think that’s consolation? When Victoria Sandoval’s daughter is alive?
Padilla vows he won’t rest until Victoria feels the same pain that is choking him right now.
[Wow. So he doesn’t blame the moron scorpion guy for provoking the crash. And he doesn’t blame Bernie for hiring scorpion guy. He blames Victoria!]
Bernie understands his thirst for vengeance. [Does she ever!] And today is his lucky day – she has a plan to help him get even!
JP continues to offer solace and encouragement to Victoria. She can’t give up now when her daughter needs her the most. What comfort can you possibly offer? she replies despairingly. He answers: The most beautiful solace of all: faith.
Set aside your arrogance and pride. Learn to forgive.
God has failed me, insists Victoria.
No, says JP: Tú has pedido mucho. Un milagro.
(You asked for a a great deal -- a miracle.)
Well I didn’t get it, sniffs Vic. No, corrects JP, you couldn’t see it, which is different.
Fer needs you now and you can’t abandon her. But afterwards – once this crisis is over -- pray that you recognize the miracle that was so close to you -- and yet you never saw it! [We’ll give you some hints: Orphan. María. Doll-that-trumps-DNA. Llamada de la sangre. Sort of looks like you. Stubborn like you. Give up? Well don’t say we never helped you, Vic!]
Victoria narrows her eyes and seems to takes his words to heart.
At the makeshift dormitory in the church dispensary, Napo and JJ snore loudly; dogs howl; Nathy pulls a pillow over her head in a futile attempt to block the noise. Cruz stands by, wide awake; and María holds her glittery heart locket that evidently survived the fire and thinks of Max.
Back at the hospital, Max asks his mother: When are we going to break the news to Fer? Vic tells him they aren’t going to say a word to her (or to anyone else) about her paralysis. The doctors gave them hope and that’s what they’ll act on – no matter what it takes. [So you decide: optimism and courage – or yet another Big Lie that will isolate Fer from the people she loves?]
Victoria and Max are back at Fer’s bedside. Victoria will spend the night with her daughter. And Max will accompany them both.
The Gang Takes its Leave
The waiting room crowd starts to thin out. Xi is exhausted. She’ll go back home with Mama Rox – she doesn’t want to be alone in Casa Sandoval. Gui bids a smarmy adios to mother and daughter.
Toni and Fabián agree it’s time for all of them to get out of Vic and Max’s hair. While Oscar and Pip are bickering about who gets to go with Toni, slimeball Gui outmaneuvers them both. Oscar can take Pipino home, suggests Gui, as he leaves with Antonieta. But Oscar leaves in a snit (which only seats one) so Fabián has the honor of driving Pip home.
Max, while walking Juan Pablo out, remarks that he’s surprised that Victoria seems so close to God. She’s never been religious. She used to be, says JP. Max is startled to hear JP talk about his mother’s past – he didn’t know they knew each other way back when. It all seems a little odd to him. JP assures him that very soon he’ll understand.
Just before JP leaves, Max asks him about María. Max needn’t worry, he tells him. She’s fine and all the people affected by the fire have found a place to live. JP is gratified when Max says he has also been feeling a need to be closer to God. And he tells Max to take comfort in the fact that: Los hombres se pueden olvidar de Dios pero Dios jamás se olvida de los hombres. (Man may forget God but God never forgets man. (Which sounds more profound and less sexist in Spanish!))
Guillermo Softens Antonieta for the Kill
I really needed a glass of wine, Toni confides to Gui as the two sit in her apartment, sipping companiably. She doesn’t know how Victoria managed to withstand everything that happened today. Victoria is a very strong woman, says Gui. And admirable, adds Toni. There are a lot of admirable women, agrees Gui, and you are one of them.
Over Toni’s modest objections, Gui persists: Ever since I met you, you’ve been Victoria’s shadow. Don’t you realize you shine as brightly as she does? I’m not flattering you, he says, even as he is laying it on with a trowel – I’m just telling you the truth. Then leaning in for the kill shot, he asks: Why didn’t you ever get married, Antonieta? She tells him her situation is the same as his. She just hasn’t found the right person – although, she adds wistfully, she thought she had met the ideal man, but he has always been in love with someone else.
Gui sidles up to her and says in her ear:
Debe estar ciego. Eres tan hermosa.
(He must be blind. You’re so beautiful.)
What is this? He’s leaning in for a kiss! I scream loudly enough to bring Mr. Maven running in from the other room! [He assesses the scene briefly, mutters something about earplugs and leaves.]
Toni, Toni, do you know where that mouth has been??? She ignores me! Their lips touch briefly and then Gui apologizes sheepishly (or perhaps wolfishly) – he couldn’t resist! Toni bids him a prim goodnight but before he leaves, he notes with satisfaction how her finger traces the path of his kiss on her lips. And when he is gone, she permits herself a small smile.
Rox Gets to Know her Daughter a Bit Better.
I hate hospitals, Xi whines to Rox. Those damn Sandovals and their drama. She’s tired of listening to Victoria crying and screaming all day. [Yeah well, who isn’t?]
[Here she pauses to pop another teratogen. And the thought crosses my mind – what if she isn’t pregnant any more?]
So do you want a divorce? asks Rox. If I could get some money out of Max – well, yeah, says Xi.
And then what? asks Ma Rox. Cuz frankly sweetcheeks, I don’t think you’ve got the maternal instinct. If you stay married, Victoria and Max will take care of the kid and you can do what you want with your life.
It was a terrible (pésimo, literally, the worst) idea to get pregnant by Max, whines Xi. Terrible.
Rox disagrees. A pregnancy is the best way there is to trap a man – it worked with your father!
Well it didn’t work with Guillermo and it didn’t work the time before either, says Xi. Huh? Rox does a doubletake: You mean this isn’t your first pregnancy? Of course not, answers Xi. And since it didn’t work the first time, I had to get rid of the kid.
Now Rox stares at her mad daughter with something akin to horror. Said daughter rolls her eyes.
Who the Devil Let this Woman in My House?
Suddenly a putrid, sulfurous stench pervades la Casa Sandoval. Victoria and Toni rush downstairs to investigate. Doña Demente has come calling! She tells Victoria:
Vine a ver tu cara de sufrimiento. Ya me enteré que tu otra hija estuvo al punto de perder la vida.
(I came to see your suffering face. I just found out that your other daughter almost died.)
What a bad mother you are, she rants on. It’s obvious you never loved your daughters. Toni stands up for her friend: If anyone loves her family and children, it’s Victoria! Bernie smirks nastily: Of course. That’s why her husband cheated on her with another woman.
Get out, commands Victoria.
I’ll go, says Bernie, but not before I tell you this:
Aquí no termina tu castigo; todo lo que te está pasando es por haber provocado la ira de Dios. ... Por tu culpa Juan Pablo abandonó el sacerdocio.
(Your punishment doesn’t end here; everything you’re suffering is a result of your provoking the wrath of God. … It’s your fault that Juan Pablo has left the priesthood.)
Victoria is puzzled – Juan Pablo left the priesthood? Demente rants on. God will punish you, Victoria – and if He doesn’t, I will! With my own hands! Stay away from Juan Pablo!
That’s not possible, retorts Vic. We have a daughter together. That’s a link that will join us for the rest of our lives (de por vida). Victoria catches Demente’s arm as it is raised to strike. Now, Vic says, she understands their mutual hatred – it’s mother against mother. Practically spitting the words in her face, she tells Bernarda:
Yo le voy a demostrar que yo soy mejor madre que usted. Un día me va a ver con mis hijas llenas de amor y de felicidad mientras usted se va a hundir en su soledad.
(I’m going to show you that I’m a better mother than you. One day you’re going to see me with my daughters, all of us filled with love and happiness while you’re going to be submerged in your loneliness.)
Now get out of my house!
[Okay. Time out. Victoria, this isn’t mother against mother. This is crazed, serial killer against basically normal person turned bossy and cranky by life’s hard knocks. Come on. Bernarda makes Joan Crawford look like June Cleaver. Who isn’t a better mother?]
Demente smoothes an eyebrow and leaves.
It is morning at the hospital and María joins Max. They hug. Fer is in very bad shape, he tells her. Be strong, says María. Right now you’re the pillar of your family and you need to be there for your mother and sister.
Doña Demente isn’t happy to see Juan Pablo packing up all his clothing to donate to the people who lost everything in the fire. She’s even less pleased when he mentions in passing: Some of us are moving to a vecindad in the parish.
Are you crazy, Juan Pablo? explodes Bernarda in a decidedly non-saintly fashion. For that bastard child of yours?
Juan Pablo once again tries to talk to Bernarda as if she were a normal person. He tells her he was with María Desamparada for her first prenatal ultrasound: He saw his grandchild. And he realized how great is the work of God. His grandchild, he repeats. And after that experience, he can’t understand how she can fail to love her grandchild, María Desamparada. She answers: You don’t know my real feelings for that girl – and then adds softly, almost to herself -- who is so much like me.
Love that Ennobles the Soul and Cheapens the Prose
Max and María hug. Love is what helps us through the most difficult moments, she tells him. It’s the light that shines through our darkest nights. It’s the source of more bad cliché-filled writing than any other emotion. [Oh wait. She didn’t say that last part. Sorry.] Smoochies. They set off to see Fer.
Where the Devil Did You Get that Cross?
Bernie looks at the little carved crucifix in Juan Pablo’s room. She tells him she has always been curious to know where it came from. JP tells her Victoria gave it to him the day he was to leave for the seminary. The day you sinned, she says. She grabs it and says: I’m going to throw it away! Then she abruptly sets it back down and edges away, rubbing at her hand where it was touching the crucifix: ¡Me quemó la mano! (My hand is burned!)
Oh puhleez, says JP. The only thing hurting you is your conscience. And you’re not going to live in peace until you face the truth. You are the one who has caused me the most pain – and you continue to do so by rejecting my daughter. JP picks up the crucifix – look, Ma, no burns! – and kisses it. Ingrate, mutters Bernie as JP leaves, arms full of clothes for the needy. The devil has entered his body, she says. He is no longer my son.
Sister Visits Sister
Max and María go to Fer’s bedside. She’s so young, says María gazing sadly at Fer. She was always so restless (inquieta), says Max, a whirlwind (un torbellino). She loved to challenge life, he says, beginning to sound disturbingly like he’s reciting a eulogy. María bends down to kiss Fer on the cheek. When she looks up, she sees Victoria glaring at her from the doorway. What are you doing here? Vic asks icily.
Words You’ll End Up Eating
How dare you come here? spits out Victoria. What are you trying to do? Mock my pain? I’m here, answers María simply, because the man I love is suffering and he needs me at his side. Victoria tells her to get out – her son doesn’t need her. Ever since she appeared in their lives, they’ve been dogged by tragedy:
Maldigo el día que te conocí!
(I curse the day I met you!)
I hope you remember all these insults, María tells her. I feel it in the bottom of my heart -- one day you’ll regret what you said and you’ll be on your knees begging me for forgiveness. María leaves with her dignity intact and Victoria is left spitting tacks.
But her berrinche is cut short when Fer starts to moan. Where am I? she says. She opens her eyes and looks at Victoria and Max:
¿Dónde está mi papá? (Where’s my dad?)
Good Works
Juan Pablo is letting off a little steam, sawing wood in the carpentry workshop. Padre Jerónimo comes by to congratulate him for getting Victoria back in touch with her faith and bringing her some consolation. He is also happy to hear that María Desamparada is “opening up like a flower” in her pregnancy (su dulce espera, her sweet time of waiting). And what about Domingo? asks Jer. The next time he goes to look for him, says JP, he’ll bring some help. That way Domingo won’t be able to refuse to get back on the right path. Just then, the parish boys – big and little – show up. JP wants to make a deal with the guys …
Be It Ever So Humble
Nathy and María are moving their few salvaged scraps into their shabby rooms in the vecindad. María once again tells Nathy that she feels an inexplicable bond between herself and Max’s little sister.
A Bitter Awakening for Fer
Fer is agitated. Where am I? she asks again. I can’t move, I can’t move, she repeats in panic. I don’t feel my legs! I can’t move! Max and Vic desperately try to calm her. They don’t know how to answer her questions. Apparently, the truth is out of the question. The Big Lie kicks in. And Fede? asks Fer. Where’s Federico? I want to see him!
The Wrath of Padilla
At that precise moment, Rodolfo Padilla swoops in, swept along in a miasma of hatred and menace. You won’t see him again, he sneers. Federico is dead! And you killed him!
Max throws Padilla out of his sister’s room.
The medical team rushes in to attend to Fer who, by now, is completely hysterical.
Outside the room, Victoria lashes out at Padilla: How dare you come here! The only one responsible for your son’s death is you!
And Max tells him angrily: My sister wasn’t driving! Your son was!
Padilla keeps repeating that it was Fer’s fault. And he’s going to avenge his son’s death – Ojo por ojo y diente por diente! (an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth).
I’m not happy your son died, says Victoria, but maybe now you can understand my pain at losing my daughter.
I’ll get even, raves Padilla, even as Max is bodily removing him from the hospital wing.
Once he is gone, Vic turns to Max and tells him: I’m so confused! I feel that all of this is a punishment from God. I’m paying for my sins.
[Oh no! Bernie has done it – she finally got into Victoria’s head and has her believing her crazy, blasphemous lies!]
El padre Juan Pablo… begins Max. Victoria interrupts him:
¡El padre Juan Pablo ya no es un sacerdote!
(Father Juan Pablo is no longer a priest.)
How does she know? Doña Bernarda told her. ¡Ay caray! (Oy vey!)
When Rudy Met Memo
Now Guillermo, who has been watching the Padilla/Victoria/Max Show with naked curiosity, runs after the departing Padilla. You and I have a lot in common, Gui tells him.
If you trust me, I can help you get even with the Sandoval family.
Getting Ready for Company
Nathy and María are undaunted by the unpromising appearance of their tiny and resoundingly empty place in the vecindad – it just needs a little tidying up.
The First Visit
The girls are surprised when the guys from the parish show up at the door with new tables and chairs from the workshop. This is the deal Juan Pablo made with them earlier: he’ll be working as a carpenter to pay for the pieces. And the padre is going to be living in the vecindad, one of the guys tells them.
And then we get a glimpse of clean-shaven Padre Beyond Hottie in his black t-shirt, hair freshly shampooed sans Dippity Doo, mopping the sweat from his brow, hard at work in the carpentry shop.
The Second Visit
María is a bit disconcerted when Juan Pablo arrives at her door holding out a bouquet of flowers. It’s just that she’s not used to seeing him outside of his role as “Father”. But I am a father, he corrects her, your father. Then he hugs her and kisses her brow. She stands stiffly and appears uncomfortable with his gesture.
The Third Visit
Max shows up, misreads the awkward and tender scene between this Ordinary Man Who is No Longer a Priest and the woman he loves. He demands an explanation. Juan Pablo asks for a moment alone with Max. JP looks Max in the eye and says simply:
Yo amo a María Desamparada con todo mi corazón.
(I love MD with all my heart.)
[Or maybe he said: "Punch me in the face." I'm not sure.]
Max, nostrils flaring, grabs JP’s lapels, and pushes him against the wall. Let me explain, JP pleads. Yes I love María Desamparada, but not the way you think:
María Desamparada es mi hija! ¡Es sangre de mi sangre! ¡Es carne de mi carne! (MD is my daughter! She is blood of my blood, flesh of my flesh!)
[Um. Maybe it would have been better to say that first. Ya think?]
Cue the kayak!
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I deleted the run-on paragraph version of this blog and had to copy and paste TRAVELING LADY'S comment here:
Thank you so much for the wonderful recap and hysterical description of the sequel.
What can we say? Less would be more. I'm tempted to abandon ship, but I've said that before.
JP is getting creepier by the night with that weird smile. Bring back Cesar in any role!
And come back Osvaldo. I, for one, miss him. Loved your comment on Ximena's response to the Sandovals: enough already!
I will give Mejia credit for changing Fer into a likable character, making the accident al the more bitter. I was actually moved by Padilla in the morgue last night.
Anyone who watched EPDA: Did Cesar leave the priesthood, even for a few weeks (I'm with Burnie on that one - weird)? And was the body count as high?
Tue Mar 29, 07:55:00 AM EDT
Thank you so much for the wonderful recap and hysterical description of the sequel.
What can we say? Less would be more. I'm tempted to abandon ship, but I've said that before.
JP is getting creepier by the night with that weird smile. Bring back Cesar in any role!
And come back Osvaldo. I, for one, miss him. Loved your comment on Ximena's response to the Sandovals: enough already!
I will give Mejia credit for changing Fer into a likable character, making the accident al the more bitter. I was actually moved by Padilla in the morgue last night.
Anyone who watched EPDA: Did Cesar leave the priesthood, even for a few weeks (I'm with Burnie on that one - weird)? And was the body count as high?
Tue Mar 29, 07:55:00 AM EDT
Hi folks!
Let me clarify -- I was up until all hours last night trying to get this beast posted but for some reason, blogger swallowed all my spacing. I ended up with one humongous paragraph. (And will I get the sympathy vote if I add that I just had oral surgery, I look like a Mejía chipmunk, and I'm popping pills like Ximena? Are those the world's smallest violins I hear?)
I asked my old Clon buddy, Jean, to help me. She was able to post the recap (but in the process we lost colors and bolding). Thank, thank you, thank you, Jean! You are the best! (Is there an echo in here?)
But now we TDA people have a problem. Susanita is tonight's Guest Star and she is planning to send her recap to me for posting. But I am afraid that I have some weird problem in my computer and I will end up messing up her masterpiece. Any other blogger here willing to step in as go-between? Please let me know, guys!
Let me clarify -- I was up until all hours last night trying to get this beast posted but for some reason, blogger swallowed all my spacing. I ended up with one humongous paragraph. (And will I get the sympathy vote if I add that I just had oral surgery, I look like a Mejía chipmunk, and I'm popping pills like Ximena? Are those the world's smallest violins I hear?)
I asked my old Clon buddy, Jean, to help me. She was able to post the recap (but in the process we lost colors and bolding). Thank, thank you, thank you, Jean! You are the best! (Is there an echo in here?)
But now we TDA people have a problem. Susanita is tonight's Guest Star and she is planning to send her recap to me for posting. But I am afraid that I have some weird problem in my computer and I will end up messing up her masterpiece. Any other blogger here willing to step in as go-between? Please let me know, guys!
NovelaMaven,
I was blown away by this recap BEFORE I knew all the health and computer woes you had. Now I bow to you. Well done. I loved all the subheadings and wise/wisecracking comments. I'd be happy to post for Susanita. Just click on my name to e-mail me.
More later. Have to rush off to work.
I was blown away by this recap BEFORE I knew all the health and computer woes you had. Now I bow to you. Well done. I loved all the subheadings and wise/wisecracking comments. I'd be happy to post for Susanita. Just click on my name to e-mail me.
More later. Have to rush off to work.
NovelaMaven,
I have trouble posting often. I'll write something, send it in, and get a message back that the blog site is unavailable. I find that if I consciously make two strong clicks, I have better luck.
I'm so sorry that you had problems. Between the double-episodes, the novela itself and tech problems, we need to send the recappers major good karma. Thanks again.
I have trouble posting often. I'll write something, send it in, and get a message back that the blog site is unavailable. I find that if I consciously make two strong clicks, I have better luck.
I'm so sorry that you had problems. Between the double-episodes, the novela itself and tech problems, we need to send the recappers major good karma. Thanks again.
NOvelaMaven (and Jean) - Thank you for the Snarky, succinct recrap … er … recap del llorathon. I was tired and had a sleepathon. I missed it and really appreciate your work. I"m so sorry about your oral surgery, NM. Been there, done that. Ouchies. You are one dedicated recapper.
OH good grief, so now Maria feels the llamade de la sangre for Fer. Gah….
Too bad Fer doesn't have a really special blood type, and Maria D is the only other person available who can give it. THAT is llamada de la sangre.
Amor Asqueroso - roflol!
LooneyGram - more lol!
Bernarda makes Joan Crawford look like June Cleaver -de acuerdo!
No doubt about it: Xi will have a terrible ending by the Gran/Por Fin because she aborted a pregnancy. It's in the telenovela rules.
I wonder if JP's cross left a burn mark on Bernarda's hand. Honest….I've never thrown out any of my old rosaries, crucifixes, Jesus statuettes, or anything, even though I'm now a good Protestant. Ya don't dis' the sacred stuff. If Bernie throws out that cross, all heck will break loose.
OH good grief, so now Maria feels the llamade de la sangre for Fer. Gah….
Too bad Fer doesn't have a really special blood type, and Maria D is the only other person available who can give it. THAT is llamada de la sangre.
Amor Asqueroso - roflol!
LooneyGram - more lol!
Bernarda makes Joan Crawford look like June Cleaver -de acuerdo!
No doubt about it: Xi will have a terrible ending by the Gran/Por Fin because she aborted a pregnancy. It's in the telenovela rules.
I wonder if JP's cross left a burn mark on Bernarda's hand. Honest….I've never thrown out any of my old rosaries, crucifixes, Jesus statuettes, or anything, even though I'm now a good Protestant. Ya don't dis' the sacred stuff. If Bernie throws out that cross, all heck will break loose.
Great NM tks so much, many, many chuckles.
Can't Victoria give us a little diversion & at least cry
"mi OTRA hija" etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
If anyone can guess the number of "mi hijas" in this novela, they win a new beanie.
María was dressed as a Muslim in church, QTH?
Padilla's blame is a little misplaced. I guess he just joins the group of those blaming the wrong people, Bernarda, Victoria.
Too bad the guys didn't bring a can of paint to the new pad.
Can't Victoria give us a little diversion & at least cry
"mi OTRA hija" etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
If anyone can guess the number of "mi hijas" in this novela, they win a new beanie.
María was dressed as a Muslim in church, QTH?
Padilla's blame is a little misplaced. I guess he just joins the group of those blaming the wrong people, Bernarda, Victoria.
Too bad the guys didn't bring a can of paint to the new pad.
Can't Victoria give us a little diversion & at least cry
"mi OTRA hija"
Variopinta - You are too funny!
"mi OTRA hija"
Variopinta - You are too funny!
NovelaMaven - I never saw EPDA but my guess is the body count in TdA is higher, solely based on the fact that Meh-ía and Abud are in charge of this production.
Meh-ía+Abud=HighBodyCount
Meh-ía+Abud=HighBodyCount
Wow! this tops them all, tech diffs notwithstanding. Thank you NovMav & Jean. And Vivi for helping out tonight.
Where IS OsWaldo? I guess they're talking about w-a-a-y upstate when they say New York.
I snagged three lines for re-quote, but the whole thing was hilarious top to bottom:
"Victoria is in the hospital chapel multi-tasking. She weeps and prays."
"Here she [Xi] pauses to pop another teratogen."
"Demente smoothes an eyebrow and leaves." (she does this with her baby finger; I guess it won't go down by itself)
"
Where IS OsWaldo? I guess they're talking about w-a-a-y upstate when they say New York.
I snagged three lines for re-quote, but the whole thing was hilarious top to bottom:
"Victoria is in the hospital chapel multi-tasking. She weeps and prays."
"Here she [Xi] pauses to pop another teratogen."
"Demente smoothes an eyebrow and leaves." (she does this with her baby finger; I guess it won't go down by itself)
"
Another above and beyond, especially considering the dental problems. Loved your melodramatic take of the melodrama --cuz if anybody can do it, you can! Thanks for starting my morning off with a belly laugh!
NovelaMaven, thanks for this gem of a recap. I was cracking up throughout. It's chock full of funny lines, but my very favorite is:
"Here she pauses to pop another teratogen."
Excellent.
Victoria's wailing, "¡mi hija!" was truly one of those ice picks to the brain last night... and after oral surgery? I hope you had a mind-altering drug available to ease your pain and suffering.
Carlos
"Here she pauses to pop another teratogen."
Excellent.
Victoria's wailing, "¡mi hija!" was truly one of those ice picks to the brain last night... and after oral surgery? I hope you had a mind-altering drug available to ease your pain and suffering.
Carlos
Just an FYI, I forgot that if CE was to show up, that it would be in Mexico first and he's still to come for us north of the border, but he will show up. I don't want to give away anything about his role, so I'll just leave it at that.
NovelaMaven: What an INCREDIBLE job on this long and detailed pair of capitulos! My hat is off to you. The work involved is huge and you go to such great lengths to entertain AND teach us. GRACIAS!!!
I fail to understand Padilla's logic. I will grant that the man is suffering, but it's an amazing turn around for a man who several days earlier had threatened Scuzzy Boy with banishment from the home if he did not marry Fer....AND...who so willingly doused a building filled with innocent occupants and then laughed when all was said and done?
No sir...Padilla is more than guilty of killing his own son even if it was done indirectly.
NM, like you...I was wondering why JP had that bizarre smile on his face when Max was going berserk. What in the world?
...and Toni...please, please...don't lose your head!
As for X-Factor...count this as another one who will suffer dearly at the end.
Gracias, NovelaMaven!!
Susanita
I fail to understand Padilla's logic. I will grant that the man is suffering, but it's an amazing turn around for a man who several days earlier had threatened Scuzzy Boy with banishment from the home if he did not marry Fer....AND...who so willingly doused a building filled with innocent occupants and then laughed when all was said and done?
No sir...Padilla is more than guilty of killing his own son even if it was done indirectly.
NM, like you...I was wondering why JP had that bizarre smile on his face when Max was going berserk. What in the world?
...and Toni...please, please...don't lose your head!
As for X-Factor...count this as another one who will suffer dearly at the end.
Gracias, NovelaMaven!!
Susanita
Permalink posted by 
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 9:38:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 9:38:00 AM EDT
JP has been locked away from the world his entire life, so I don't know if he comprehends that when you tell another dude "I love [your woman] with all my heart"...
...AFTER he catches you kissing her and bringing her flowers...
...and AFTER he finds out you left the priesthood and moved in her building...
...you MIGHT get hemmed up against the wall, as Max did to JP.
And Padilla is just stoopid, for blaming Victoria and Fer for the accident that killed Scuzzy, when he and Scorpion Pimp are the ones who cut Fer's brake lines.
I wonder if the police will examine the car and find the cut brake line or if they will just assume some stupid kids were drag racing and lost control. I guess the police will question Fer and the other kids; if that happens, hopefully she will tell the police that Scuzz tried to apply the brakes but they didn't work.
...AFTER he catches you kissing her and bringing her flowers...
...and AFTER he finds out you left the priesthood and moved in her building...
...you MIGHT get hemmed up against the wall, as Max did to JP.
And Padilla is just stoopid, for blaming Victoria and Fer for the accident that killed Scuzzy, when he and Scorpion Pimp are the ones who cut Fer's brake lines.
I wonder if the police will examine the car and find the cut brake line or if they will just assume some stupid kids were drag racing and lost control. I guess the police will question Fer and the other kids; if that happens, hopefully she will tell the police that Scuzz tried to apply the brakes but they didn't work.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 9:48:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 9:48:00 AM EDT
Bloody hell; it just ate my post so I think I will now write this in my Word program first.
NovelaMaven, kudos to you. You've maintained your tone in the face of Playing Hurt:
--Oscar leaves in a snit (which only seats one)
-- Ximena and Roxana are there to protect their investment
Brilliant.
I was pleased to see Doña Dementa being burned by the crucifix; let's see if she has burn marks from it. Will it ever occur to anyone that Octavio was her redemption from the sin of adultery because he loved her and JP? She certainly missed that memo.
The body count in EPDA wasn't even close and the padre didn't take a sabbatical. Also, Padilla's counterpart only blamed the idiots who set up the "accident".
The revelation of paternity to Max is a change, too. Considering that it happened under stress, will this excuse the violation of the seal of the confessional? In view of what he knows about Doña Dementa , I'm sure Padre Jeronimo will grant JP absolution in the confessional in the next episode or so. I agree with Anon 09:48 about why he didn't handle the revelation well. I can't wait to see whether he reveals enough detail for Max to do the math and solve the equation.
NovelaMaven, kudos to you. You've maintained your tone in the face of Playing Hurt:
--Oscar leaves in a snit (which only seats one)
-- Ximena and Roxana are there to protect their investment
Brilliant.
I was pleased to see Doña Dementa being burned by the crucifix; let's see if she has burn marks from it. Will it ever occur to anyone that Octavio was her redemption from the sin of adultery because he loved her and JP? She certainly missed that memo.
The body count in EPDA wasn't even close and the padre didn't take a sabbatical. Also, Padilla's counterpart only blamed the idiots who set up the "accident".
The revelation of paternity to Max is a change, too. Considering that it happened under stress, will this excuse the violation of the seal of the confessional? In view of what he knows about Doña Dementa , I'm sure Padre Jeronimo will grant JP absolution in the confessional in the next episode or so. I agree with Anon 09:48 about why he didn't handle the revelation well. I can't wait to see whether he reveals enough detail for Max to do the math and solve the equation.
Is Padre JP restricted from telling anyone about his own secret, even though Bernarda told him in confession? He didn't tell Max that Maria is Victoria's daughter, he only revealed that Maria is HIS daughter. I don't know if anyone knows that he and Victoria did the horizontal boogie 20+ years ago, except MAYBE Antonieta.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 10:15:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 10:15:00 AM EDT
If Antonieta didn't know before she certainly does now after witnessing Doña Dementa's tirade in Victoria's living room. Except for her I think that Padre Jeronimo must be the only other person at the moment. This will not last much longer.
Victoria needs to tell her servants that Doña Dementa is not permitted in her home.
Victoria needs to tell her servants that Doña Dementa is not permitted in her home.
I'm always annoyed by the bad guys running to their local priest and puking out the details of their crimes and then laughing about it being confidential. I found this on a Catholic website:
"These prohibitions, as well as the general obligation of secrecy, apply only to what the confessor learns through confession made as part of the sacrament. He is not bound by the seal as regards what may be told him by a person who, he is sure, has no intention of making a sacramental confession but merely speaks to him "in confidence"; prudence, however, may impose silence concerning what he learns in this way. Nor does the obligation of the seal prevent the confessor from speaking of things which he has learned outside confession, though the same things have also been told him in confession; here again, however, other reasons may oblige him to observe secrecy."
I think it may confirm that perhaps the TN writers are taking the secrecy of the confessional to absurd extremes... at least at times. What do you guys think?
Carlos
"These prohibitions, as well as the general obligation of secrecy, apply only to what the confessor learns through confession made as part of the sacrament. He is not bound by the seal as regards what may be told him by a person who, he is sure, has no intention of making a sacramental confession but merely speaks to him "in confidence"; prudence, however, may impose silence concerning what he learns in this way. Nor does the obligation of the seal prevent the confessor from speaking of things which he has learned outside confession, though the same things have also been told him in confession; here again, however, other reasons may oblige him to observe secrecy."
I think it may confirm that perhaps the TN writers are taking the secrecy of the confessional to absurd extremes... at least at times. What do you guys think?
Carlos
What an incredible recap. I'm in awe. I don't watch this show but lady, you can write! Wow.
Over on Llena, same thing happened. Kris' recap is one looooong paragraph. So I don't think it's your computer. It's a blog problem although evidently Jean figured out how to fix it.
Jean, what did you do?
Over on Llena, same thing happened. Kris' recap is one looooong paragraph. So I don't think it's your computer. It's a blog problem although evidently Jean figured out how to fix it.
Jean, what did you do?
NovelaMaven, thank you for another great recap. I read the one paragraph version and didn't have a problem. Your Spanish sentences with translations were an added bonus.
Carlos, Carlos, haven't you learned that the Catholic Church has a different set of Canon Laws for TNs, just ask any TN writer.
I think the only thing Padilla morns is his lost lottery ticket to the Sandoval money.
Rosemary
Carlos, Carlos, haven't you learned that the Catholic Church has a different set of Canon Laws for TNs, just ask any TN writer.
I think the only thing Padilla morns is his lost lottery ticket to the Sandoval money.
Rosemary
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 10:53:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 10:53:00 AM EDT
JP is so blissed out about finally experiencing life (a child, grandchild, personal connections to people) that he's kind of tone deaf to how other people may see it. He's on a high from life. But it's starting to creep Maria out, and it's ticking off Max. I do wonder how his telling Max that Maria is his daughter will be viewed. I don't understand why he can't tell the whole truth anyway. The fact that his mother was the one to tell him shouldn't matter. He doesn't have to tell folks HOW he found out (via Burnie's confession). The fact that MD is his kids is HIS truth. It has nothing to do with his mom. Why can't he tell Maria and Vicky just that one fact? All he has to say to them is "I took a leave from my duties so that I could help my biological daughter through a tough time." None of that is anything that Burnie told him.
Add me to the list of people that don't get Padilla's logic.
Add me to the list of people that don't get Padilla's logic.
Carlos - given the fact that TN. writers take everything to absurd extreme levels, I would expect no less re: the confessional stuff....otherwise FELS would have ended months faster. :-)
Carlos, gracias. I have often wondered whether priests had any kind of an out, especially if a someone confesses a crime. The idea that they didn't seemed grievously unfair both to the priest and to anyone affected by the crime.
However, Padre Jeronimo presently has no alternate source for information on the fire or the murders of Octavio and Tomasa. On the other hand, JP could get a copy of the DNA test results.
Does it make any difference if the confession precedes the outside source?
As to how novela priests handle such disclosures, I think the rationale might be that since they can't prove that the "penitent" did not repent but actually bragged, they don't want to risk losing the trust of the rest of the parish.
When is JP going to find out that his mamacita has been excommunicated? Padre Jer needs to tell him.
However, Padre Jeronimo presently has no alternate source for information on the fire or the murders of Octavio and Tomasa. On the other hand, JP could get a copy of the DNA test results.
Does it make any difference if the confession precedes the outside source?
As to how novela priests handle such disclosures, I think the rationale might be that since they can't prove that the "penitent" did not repent but actually bragged, they don't want to risk losing the trust of the rest of the parish.
When is JP going to find out that his mamacita has been excommunicated? Padre Jer needs to tell him.
The Padre in Mi Pecado blabbed some of the stuff he was told by the bad guys, if I remember correctly. He's my favorite tn priest so far.
Thank you all for your wonderful comments. And yes, I am feeling a lot better this morning even if my face has a distinctly lopsided look.
And yes, Dear Carlos, I did have mind-altering drugs on board last night. What a disappointment to realize they're not a recapper's best friend! (But a viewer's -- could well be!) You are so right about "Victoria's wailing 'mi hija'...[being] truly one of those ice picks to the brain"!
Doris -- The Gran/Por Fin? Too funny.
About JP's paternity -- Didn't we recently see Victoria telling the three stooges, ie Toni, Pip and Oscar that JP was the father of her first daughter? Or did she just say that he was the first man in her life? (Because that much I do remember quite clearly.)
Carlos, I have often thought the same thing about the abuse of the confessional. According to what you quote, the writers are -- as we suspected -- playing fast and loose with the rules. I wonder if in the world of church law, there exists the equivalent of Tarasoff (the psychiatrist's duty to warn, which trumps patient confidentiality when a third party is felt to be in imminent danger.)
And yes, Dear Carlos, I did have mind-altering drugs on board last night. What a disappointment to realize they're not a recapper's best friend! (But a viewer's -- could well be!) You are so right about "Victoria's wailing 'mi hija'...[being] truly one of those ice picks to the brain"!
Doris -- The Gran/Por Fin? Too funny.
About JP's paternity -- Didn't we recently see Victoria telling the three stooges, ie Toni, Pip and Oscar that JP was the father of her first daughter? Or did she just say that he was the first man in her life? (Because that much I do remember quite clearly.)
Carlos, I have often thought the same thing about the abuse of the confessional. According to what you quote, the writers are -- as we suspected -- playing fast and loose with the rules. I wonder if in the world of church law, there exists the equivalent of Tarasoff (the psychiatrist's duty to warn, which trumps patient confidentiality when a third party is felt to be in imminent danger.)
NovelaMave, she said he was the first man in her life. I'm sure the three Musketeers did the math from there.
I would love to think that there was a loophole about crime and the confessional, but if there were the writers don't know about it. FELS would have to have been written differently and we wouldn't have seen Rene Casados as another hot-looking priest.
I would love to think that there was a loophole about crime and the confessional, but if there were the writers don't know about it. FELS would have to have been written differently and we wouldn't have seen Rene Casados as another hot-looking priest.
I think the only thing Padilla morns is his lost lottery ticket to the Sandoval money.
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And that was dumb logic there because I could see Victoria (not so much Os, though) cutting Fer off from the Sandoval money for choosing to go off with Scuzz.
So if Fer had run off and married Scuzz, and the Sandovals cut Fer off from the Sandoval fortune (just ask Roxy and Xi how digging for gold at Casa Sandoval is going), then what would Rudy & Scuzz do?
Of course all of this could have been prevented if Victoria had told the truth about Rudy raping her years ago.
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And that was dumb logic there because I could see Victoria (not so much Os, though) cutting Fer off from the Sandoval money for choosing to go off with Scuzz.
So if Fer had run off and married Scuzz, and the Sandovals cut Fer off from the Sandoval fortune (just ask Roxy and Xi how digging for gold at Casa Sandoval is going), then what would Rudy & Scuzz do?
Of course all of this could have been prevented if Victoria had told the truth about Rudy raping her years ago.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 11:35:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 11:35:00 AM EDT
Vivi: NovelaMaven is definitely having technical difficulties and will NOT be able to post my re-cap tomorrow morning.
I've been to your blog, but don't see an addy to send my re-cap to you as we will DEFINITELY need your help.
Please advise. Excuse me everyone for having to take up blog space for this.
Susanita
I've been to your blog, but don't see an addy to send my re-cap to you as we will DEFINITELY need your help.
Please advise. Excuse me everyone for having to take up blog space for this.
Susanita
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 11:42:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 11:42:00 AM EDT
Gracias folks but I didn't do anything. I copied Novela Maven's draft into a new post and the spacing was ok although evidently it lost some of the formatting - colors and bolding.
I have had things like this happen before with posts. I guess something goes screwy in the html coding. Let's hope it doesn't impede any more of Novela Maven's hysterical recaps. If so, I will personally reformat every one of them!
I have had things like this happen before with posts. I guess something goes screwy in the html coding. Let's hope it doesn't impede any more of Novela Maven's hysterical recaps. If so, I will personally reformat every one of them!
Anon, I agree. Now here is where I have a confession to make:
I completely understand why Victoria didn't want to tell about the rape. She definitely felt sullied when it happened and undoubtedly felt shame later at her inability to prevent it or to fight Padilla.
I've been there. Twice.
Had she used a pair of tijeras to do a Lorena Bobbit on him or attracted help with a scream she wouldn't feel as she does. Weakness is the worst possible thing she could ever imagine herself to be and this is evidence of it in her mind.
Had she told Fer 25 episodes ago about the rape, Fer wouldn't have believed her. Os and Max would have and JP will believe her when he finds out. Antonieta could dispel any doubts.
I completely understand why Victoria didn't want to tell about the rape. She definitely felt sullied when it happened and undoubtedly felt shame later at her inability to prevent it or to fight Padilla.
I've been there. Twice.
Had she used a pair of tijeras to do a Lorena Bobbit on him or attracted help with a scream she wouldn't feel as she does. Weakness is the worst possible thing she could ever imagine herself to be and this is evidence of it in her mind.
Had she told Fer 25 episodes ago about the rape, Fer wouldn't have believed her. Os and Max would have and JP will believe her when he finds out. Antonieta could dispel any doubts.
Tremendous recap!!! I myself had to use the mute button every time Vickie came on last night. The numerous Mi hijas were like the nail screeching the chalkboard.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 11:52:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 11:52:00 AM EDT
Urban, I'm moved by your honesty. It isn't easy to write about painful experiences, but sometimes it's important enough and appropriate to do so. And I agree completely. Women who have been raped tend to feel ashamed. And for a long time, our society reinforced those feelings. (And in other places in the world, it still does.) So yes, I get why Victoria never talked about being raped by Padilla.
The thing is -- so does he. And he knows how to exploit that vulnerability.
The thing is -- so does he. And he knows how to exploit that vulnerability.
I don't understand JP. He knows he is the father. He has been at Maria's side in some of her traumas, yet does not tell her mother that maria is hers, so she can be there for her daughter as well, especially in her present needs. Instead he lets her be traumtized over the loss of the daughter, who stands in front of her daily. What kind of priest is that. He gets to enjoy being at his daughter's side, knowing that the mother is still searching for her????
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 12:02:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 12:02:00 PM EDT
Susanita/Vivi/Jean/NovelaMaven: I can always do a "post it" back up if needed. I also have found that using Google Documents and then downloading your final draft into your regular word processing program files, and doing a copy and paste onto the Caray space of it works great.
Anonymous, remember how TN writers handle the confessional. JP couldn't tell Victoria under those rules.
Besides, if he were to tell her this now it wouldn't help anything. She would be disinclined to believe him, thinking this was another of Bernarda's lies. The DNA test results might convince her, but the flashback to Maria's encounter with the doll and the pain Victoria experienced the night of the fire will be her epiphany.
Of course, the fact that she looks like she could be their daughter is being completely ignored by everyone.
No matter when or how Victoria finds out there will be a steep-to-vertical uphill battle toward the mother-daughter relationship they are meant to have.
Hypothetically, if JP reveals enough detail for Max to figure it out, Max will struggle with the decision about whether or not to tell Victoria and Maria. He will certainly demand to know why JP didn't reveal this before. He might even confront Bernarda, realizing that she is the source of much of Victoria's present anxiety. He already knows Bernarda is BSC and that he will have to watch his back as he, Osvaldo, and JP attempt to protect Victoria, Maria, and now Fer from her madness.
Besides, if he were to tell her this now it wouldn't help anything. She would be disinclined to believe him, thinking this was another of Bernarda's lies. The DNA test results might convince her, but the flashback to Maria's encounter with the doll and the pain Victoria experienced the night of the fire will be her epiphany.
Of course, the fact that she looks like she could be their daughter is being completely ignored by everyone.
No matter when or how Victoria finds out there will be a steep-to-vertical uphill battle toward the mother-daughter relationship they are meant to have.
Hypothetically, if JP reveals enough detail for Max to figure it out, Max will struggle with the decision about whether or not to tell Victoria and Maria. He will certainly demand to know why JP didn't reveal this before. He might even confront Bernarda, realizing that she is the source of much of Victoria's present anxiety. He already knows Bernarda is BSC and that he will have to watch his back as he, Osvaldo, and JP attempt to protect Victoria, Maria, and now Fer from her madness.
Vivi: Thanks for the addy! I will send it to you both as a word document and as a .pdf if that will help.
Jar: I've not used Google documents much. I hope the above will suffice. I'm worried enough as it is about getting the straight story to everyone, that I could not bear to add one more thing to the list!
Gracias to both of you!
Susanita
Jar: I've not used Google documents much. I hope the above will suffice. I'm worried enough as it is about getting the straight story to everyone, that I could not bear to add one more thing to the list!
Gracias to both of you!
Susanita
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 12:55:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 12:55:00 PM EDT
NovelaMaven, revelation of such an experience isn't easy. When the first time happened and I told a classmate I was directing in a play, she told me about her experience that happened when she was 15. She had never told anyone before and had been afraid to tell her mother back then, six years earlier. That was back in the bad old days when people like Gabriela Elizondo would label you as damaged goods, especially is the rapist is someone you (thought you) knew.
The other time was the stranger-on-the-street type. Neither is worse than the other.
The other time was the stranger-on-the-street type. Neither is worse than the other.
Great recap. This wasn't a piece of cake for you and it's appreciated.
Carlos, man I'm going back A LOT of years to my Catholic school days, but we actually hashed this out once in a class with one of our "cooler" priests in school. Basically, the priest is bound by the confessional in not divulging the who on the "sin" that has been confessed. Nor "should" he share something told in confidence (like the lawyer/doctor rule)outside the confessional.
However, as he explained to us, if the "sin" or the "confidence" becomes common knowledge, then the priest could acknowledge he knows the information as well, perhaps not necessarily saying the source or who told him. (If there's a third party involved.) He gave tis example I remember: if there were a question whether someone was murdered or it was an accident, the priest if confronted could admit he knew the person was murdered, but he could not divulge who told him, how, or who was involved. If the "confidence" was told and was not considered a "sin", then once it became common knowledge or shared by the one who originally confided the information, the priest was no longer obligated.
Might have been his interpreation as he was considered more "liberal".
Carlos, man I'm going back A LOT of years to my Catholic school days, but we actually hashed this out once in a class with one of our "cooler" priests in school. Basically, the priest is bound by the confessional in not divulging the who on the "sin" that has been confessed. Nor "should" he share something told in confidence (like the lawyer/doctor rule)outside the confessional.
However, as he explained to us, if the "sin" or the "confidence" becomes common knowledge, then the priest could acknowledge he knows the information as well, perhaps not necessarily saying the source or who told him. (If there's a third party involved.) He gave tis example I remember: if there were a question whether someone was murdered or it was an accident, the priest if confronted could admit he knew the person was murdered, but he could not divulge who told him, how, or who was involved. If the "confidence" was told and was not considered a "sin", then once it became common knowledge or shared by the one who originally confided the information, the priest was no longer obligated.
Might have been his interpreation as he was considered more "liberal".
Os and Max would have and JP will believe her when he finds out.
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I would have expected her to tell Oz before she told Fer anyway, and then they together could have sat down and told Fer.
But she spent a lot of time wringing her hands saying she would do ANYTHING to protect Fer, and Oz has asked her several times why she can't stand Padilla and she still said nothing.
I get that she's ashamed about the rape, but this rapist is lurking around Fernanda...she could have said "When I first started out, Padilla raped a young girl in the workplace and I don't want him near Fer," and Antonieta would have backed Vicky up.
It is funny, she runs around screaming that Juan Pablo is keeping vital secrets from her, but she's doing the same to Fer and Os.
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I would have expected her to tell Oz before she told Fer anyway, and then they together could have sat down and told Fer.
But she spent a lot of time wringing her hands saying she would do ANYTHING to protect Fer, and Oz has asked her several times why she can't stand Padilla and she still said nothing.
I get that she's ashamed about the rape, but this rapist is lurking around Fernanda...she could have said "When I first started out, Padilla raped a young girl in the workplace and I don't want him near Fer," and Antonieta would have backed Vicky up.
It is funny, she runs around screaming that Juan Pablo is keeping vital secrets from her, but she's doing the same to Fer and Os.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 1:34:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 1:34:00 PM EDT
NovelaMaven - First, thank you so much for your delightful recap. I don't speak spanish fluently but wish I did. My mom started watching this novella and told me, my sister and my sister in law to watch because it was so good. :) She baited us with the fact that watching novellas made her speak better Spanish. We're hooked. I read your recaps so I can see if what I thought they said they actually did say. Sometimes (mostly) I am way off. Although mi hija is a phrase I will never forget. Thank you so much!
Leslie
Leslie
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 1:55:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 1:55:00 PM EDT
NovelaMaven, this is one of the most hilarious recaps I've ever read. And I've read a lot of hilarious recaps. You're in the master class, for sure.
Maybe JP can't directly tell what his mother told him in confidence, but he CAN give a lot of other clues. He can say that he and Victoria had a daughter, and she was lost on a certain day in a certain place, and would be a certain age now. None of that is a confessional secret; it's his own history and what he and Victoria have discussed. Then he could let everyone put the pieces together. But I guess it's all coming together in its own lurchy way and soon we'll be easing into Act 2.
Maybe JP can't directly tell what his mother told him in confidence, but he CAN give a lot of other clues. He can say that he and Victoria had a daughter, and she was lost on a certain day in a certain place, and would be a certain age now. None of that is a confessional secret; it's his own history and what he and Victoria have discussed. Then he could let everyone put the pieces together. But I guess it's all coming together in its own lurchy way and soon we'll be easing into Act 2.
I wouldn't expect Max to figure it out, since he can't even figure out Maria is pregnant.
But I'm glad JP told Max because when Max DOES find out Maria is pregnant, he could suspect JP is the father.
Now all Max has to do is put together the pieces:
Juan Pablo knows/seems to know Victoria from long ago.
Juan Pablo says MARIA is his daughter, flesh of his flesh.
Victoria lost a daugther named MARIA.
MARIA just sat in the hospital beside Fernanda saying she feels a strange way towards Fer even though Fer hasn't been very nice to her, like a sister.
Think, Max, Think! And also THINK about why Maria is vomiting and wearing looser clothes now!
But I'm glad JP told Max because when Max DOES find out Maria is pregnant, he could suspect JP is the father.
Now all Max has to do is put together the pieces:
Juan Pablo knows/seems to know Victoria from long ago.
Juan Pablo says MARIA is his daughter, flesh of his flesh.
Victoria lost a daugther named MARIA.
MARIA just sat in the hospital beside Fernanda saying she feels a strange way towards Fer even though Fer hasn't been very nice to her, like a sister.
Think, Max, Think! And also THINK about why Maria is vomiting and wearing looser clothes now!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 2:06:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 2:06:00 PM EDT
Leslie,
It's nice to have you with us! Your mom is so right -- these novelas help enormously with your Spanish (even if the vocabulary you learn is a bit skewed towards the histrionic!)
Thanks for the nice words!
And thanks to everyone for being so supportive -- especially my fellow bloggers. Your praise means a lot to me!
It's nice to have you with us! Your mom is so right -- these novelas help enormously with your Spanish (even if the vocabulary you learn is a bit skewed towards the histrionic!)
Thanks for the nice words!
And thanks to everyone for being so supportive -- especially my fellow bloggers. Your praise means a lot to me!
Urban- Thank you for being brave enough to share your story with us. It always makes the program and discussion richer when people share their own real like experience. You are obviously a VERY strong woman.
My post quickly and get back to work but thanks so much NM for your recap in spite of all your challenges. It was another gem!
NovelaMaven -Bravo for a truly entertaining recap -and I even SAW the entire episode!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 3:48:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 3:48:00 PM EDT
Thanks UA for speaking personally to this sensitive issue. I think the fact that they have luridly depicted Padilla as the ultimate in scum (I get a visceral reaction of revulsion when he appears on screen) is in keeping with the terrible burden of shame that Vickie has carried all these years. It helps explain why she has made herself "intocable" and a part of me grieves for her loss. Although, last night was the last word in annoying—"mi hija" ¡Basta ya!
Ok
There are approximately 10 mi hijas per episode (conservative estimate)
140 episodes = 1400 mi hijas
we are on about episode 80, that means we have 600 mi hijas to go.
Now some of those mi hijas in the last 2 episodes will be happy mi hijas. But that is 580 wailing mi hijas to go.
¡Dios nos ayuda!
There are approximately 10 mi hijas per episode (conservative estimate)
140 episodes = 1400 mi hijas
we are on about episode 80, that means we have 600 mi hijas to go.
Now some of those mi hijas in the last 2 episodes will be happy mi hijas. But that is 580 wailing mi hijas to go.
¡Dios nos ayuda!
OH MY DEARS.....LAST NITE I WAS ALSO READY TO HANG THIS NOVELA
UP.....IF I HAD TO LISTEN TO
VICTORIA CRY ONE MORE TIME ABOUT HER HIJA.....OR HER CULPA....I LEFT THE ROOM....AND JIMENA...WOW....SHE REALLY IS CRACKED...POBRECITA....HAVING ABORTED ONCE B4 SHE MUST OF ABORTED SOME BRAIN MATTER....I LEFT THE ROOM...THEN CAME BACK IN WHEN MAX HAD THE PADRE UP AGAINST THE WALL....I WANTED TO KNOCK VICTORIA ON THE HEAD..THE PADRE WAS TELLING HER SHE HAD HER MIRACLE...IT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER....DUH....SHE IS SO ANGRY WITH MARIA...SHE CAN'T SEE ITS HER....BUT MARIA IS COOL...I LIKE HER CALMNESS...VICTORIA WILL EAT HER WORDS AS MARIA TOLD HER....SHE WILL BEG FOR HER FORGIVENESS...TOO LATE SKUNK BAIT...I CAN'T STAND GUILLERMO....HE AND BERNARDA NEED TO GET ON THE SAME BOAT....LOVED YOUR RECAP.....U R SO GREAT.....
BNinCA
UP.....IF I HAD TO LISTEN TO
VICTORIA CRY ONE MORE TIME ABOUT HER HIJA.....OR HER CULPA....I LEFT THE ROOM....AND JIMENA...WOW....SHE REALLY IS CRACKED...POBRECITA....HAVING ABORTED ONCE B4 SHE MUST OF ABORTED SOME BRAIN MATTER....I LEFT THE ROOM...THEN CAME BACK IN WHEN MAX HAD THE PADRE UP AGAINST THE WALL....I WANTED TO KNOCK VICTORIA ON THE HEAD..THE PADRE WAS TELLING HER SHE HAD HER MIRACLE...IT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER....DUH....SHE IS SO ANGRY WITH MARIA...SHE CAN'T SEE ITS HER....BUT MARIA IS COOL...I LIKE HER CALMNESS...VICTORIA WILL EAT HER WORDS AS MARIA TOLD HER....SHE WILL BEG FOR HER FORGIVENESS...TOO LATE SKUNK BAIT...I CAN'T STAND GUILLERMO....HE AND BERNARDA NEED TO GET ON THE SAME BOAT....LOVED YOUR RECAP.....U R SO GREAT.....
BNinCA
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 4:52:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 4:52:00 PM EDT
Everyone, I did the same thing as Victoria in my last relationship: didn't tell my lover. Not until we were forced to break up because his mother made him marry my pregnant rival, the daughter of her best friend.
That's no joke either. When I was watching Salome Lucrezia Montesino reminded me of that woman.
My shame was based on my inability to defend myself at the time. I did not want to appear weak or ineffectual. Of course, I had underestimated the gentleman.
Unlike Salome and Julio, there was no happy ending. His mother got her way in the end. A friend of mine saw him on the subway recently, looking like a shadow of his former self.
That's no joke either. When I was watching Salome Lucrezia Montesino reminded me of that woman.
My shame was based on my inability to defend myself at the time. I did not want to appear weak or ineffectual. Of course, I had underestimated the gentleman.
Unlike Salome and Julio, there was no happy ending. His mother got her way in the end. A friend of mine saw him on the subway recently, looking like a shadow of his former self.
Thanks for a fabulous recap!! Hope you recover from the surgery quickly!
I was so grateful for the recap today. I turned it off after an hour and a half of "mi hija" tears and yada yada yada about nada nada nada. Apparently all the action happened in the last 20 minutes!
I was so grateful for the recap today. I turned it off after an hour and a half of "mi hija" tears and yada yada yada about nada nada nada. Apparently all the action happened in the last 20 minutes!
Thanks for the fantastic recap! My favorite line was the one about Oscar leaving in a snit, which only seats one...
This episode annoyed me as well. TOO MUCH crying. I wish Victoria had been in the hospital for longer. Hearing her cry over her Fer is so much annoying than hearing everyone (semi)cry over her. Oh well. Hopefully not that Fer has come to the majority of Vic's unpleasant whining has passed.
I have to admit I was a little creeped by Padre Juan Pablo. Is it just me or is acting more like he's courting Maria rather than trying to be a father figure. I mean, flowers? I guess it's a sweet gesture, but it's just getting a little weird, especially given the fact that he's not TELLING people he's her father. Well, except maybe he's telling Max now I guess.
Anyway, I am eagerly awaiting the capitulo in which Vic finds out Maria is her daughter. She is so incredibly and unnecessarily rude to her! Even after Maria said she wouldn't marry Max yet! What a bitch.
Thanks again NM! Your recap rocked.
This episode annoyed me as well. TOO MUCH crying. I wish Victoria had been in the hospital for longer. Hearing her cry over her Fer is so much annoying than hearing everyone (semi)cry over her. Oh well. Hopefully not that Fer has come to the majority of Vic's unpleasant whining has passed.
I have to admit I was a little creeped by Padre Juan Pablo. Is it just me or is acting more like he's courting Maria rather than trying to be a father figure. I mean, flowers? I guess it's a sweet gesture, but it's just getting a little weird, especially given the fact that he's not TELLING people he's her father. Well, except maybe he's telling Max now I guess.
Anyway, I am eagerly awaiting the capitulo in which Vic finds out Maria is her daughter. She is so incredibly and unnecessarily rude to her! Even after Maria said she wouldn't marry Max yet! What a bitch.
Thanks again NM! Your recap rocked.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 8:01:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 8:01:00 PM EDT
Omg. So far tonight's ep has been a friggin' train wreck. We need to take up a collection for Susanitas pain and suffering to recap it!
So Juan Pablo, who I literally cannot ever look at without thinking "Where did they find a guy who looks so much like a stereotypical Jesus figure?", is temping...as a carpenter.
Do the jokes always write themselves on this show?
Do the jokes always write themselves on this show?
NovelaMaven, I read this last night, but Blogger wouldn't let me post a comment. I was howling and choking with laughter at all the funny stuff. (He leaves in a snit, which only seats one! JiJi!) Hope you're recovering from the oral surgery.
La Paloma
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 12:19:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 12:19:00 AM EDT
Bill C: I didn't make that connection, but YOU ARE RIGHT! Wow!
I'm feeling bad for Susanita. Comcast says TdA is beginning at 10, but the futbol game is still in the first half. I think it's going to be a late night. Susanita, if you can, find the episode on Daily Motion! I think zurimayumi does the best and most complete load ups. I think we're at 83 or 84.
I'm feeling bad for Susanita. Comcast says TdA is beginning at 10, but the futbol game is still in the first half. I think it's going to be a late night. Susanita, if you can, find the episode on Daily Motion! I think zurimayumi does the best and most complete load ups. I think we're at 83 or 84.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 12:59:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 12:59:00 AM EDT
cWe are at 84, and yes, zuriyami puts them up. Just do a search for "triunfo del amor capitulo 84" and it should come up. I'm watching it on dailymotion now....
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 1:43:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 1:43:00 AM EDT
YOU ARE AWESOME!!! THANK YOU SOOO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WONDERFUL AND FUN-FILLED RECAP!! I am so glad I found your EXTREMELY DELIGHTFUL blog. Keep up the GREAT writing:)
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