Friday, April 01, 2011
Teresa Fri 4/1/11 #3 You have hunger for knowledge
(Caray needs recappers for this telenovela. Thanks to Aribeth for the title and screen caps; I have written an episode synopsis, included below the screen caps.)
Synopsis (Jeri)
Teresa promises Aída and Paulo they will be sorry one day when they need her help and she won't give it. Rosita lies to her mother about her health and enthuses about her coming-out party. Mariano's father and Cutberto regret Mariano's ditching his dream of medical studies.
Teresa resents a friendly visit from Aurora to her humble home in the projects and proclaims her recent mortification only made her stronger. Aurora assures Teresa she's her friend and that if she had a boyfriend living there in the projects herself it wouldn't matter. Unbeknownst to her, Mariano stands in the background.
Paulo's mother feigns ignorance of Aída's mother's suspicions regarding her husband's faithfulness. At a cafe, Aurora tells Teresa she wants to get married, have a couple of kids and be a teacher. She's not brave like Teresa, who insists Aurora will wind up being a pediatrician instead like her doctor dad wants.
Paulo's mother doesn't like to see him sad about Teresa and tries to interest him in a nice girl like Aída who ostensibly isn't a liar. Teresa's godmother, Juanita, made her the perfect dress in which to visit her professor; and Teresa insists Rosita depend on getting what she wants for herself, too.
Teresa rescues the (Fabiola's) fake-nurse character from the hot seat of bringing one of her supposed medical friends home for a consultation. Teresa's mom, Refugio, becomes catatonic, tortured about Teresa's involvement with the professor and sends Mariano tearing off after her to drag her back.
Hysterical Refugio is astounded to learn Teresa's dad trusts her and permitted her to talk to the professor. At Arturo's house, Teresa adores its magnificence and learns the young woman who tried to brush her off without an appointment is his sister. The sister has an inferiority complex about her appearance, in contrast to Teresa.
As it turns out, all Arturo asks in return for footing the bill for her education is that Teresa become her class valedictorian and work the first couple years with him after graduation. He wants someone dedicated and intelligent to work with him, as he thinks she is. He passionately declares she has a hunger for knowledge. Teresa in turn begins to makes him one condition, which we don't see, off camera.
Mariano pulls up in his taxi as Teresa's exiting and raises holy hell outside Arturo's gate trying to get to her, through the housemaid and Arturo's sister, who doesn't approve of the people Teresa associates with. She tells Arturo she doesn't want Teresa in the house again.
Teresa is somewhat vexed to hear that Mariano came there because her mother sent him instead of her suspicion he's jealous. The fake-nurse calls Aída's dad to meet with him, and he brushes her off due to his wife being in the room. Later on when they meet at the condo, the dad is not happy the fake-nurse wants a real job.
Back home at the projects, Refugio is startled to hear that the professor only wants her to excel and work hard. Next day Teresa tries to enlist Juanita to convince her mom the professor's ok and enthuses how Mariano still loves her like she loves him. At school later, Teresa is taken aback to see that the "Mariano" Aurora has such a crush on is none other than Teresa's own.
Synopsis (Jeri)
Teresa promises Aída and Paulo they will be sorry one day when they need her help and she won't give it. Rosita lies to her mother about her health and enthuses about her coming-out party. Mariano's father and Cutberto regret Mariano's ditching his dream of medical studies.
Teresa resents a friendly visit from Aurora to her humble home in the projects and proclaims her recent mortification only made her stronger. Aurora assures Teresa she's her friend and that if she had a boyfriend living there in the projects herself it wouldn't matter. Unbeknownst to her, Mariano stands in the background.
Paulo's mother feigns ignorance of Aída's mother's suspicions regarding her husband's faithfulness. At a cafe, Aurora tells Teresa she wants to get married, have a couple of kids and be a teacher. She's not brave like Teresa, who insists Aurora will wind up being a pediatrician instead like her doctor dad wants.
Paulo's mother doesn't like to see him sad about Teresa and tries to interest him in a nice girl like Aída who ostensibly isn't a liar. Teresa's godmother, Juanita, made her the perfect dress in which to visit her professor; and Teresa insists Rosita depend on getting what she wants for herself, too.
Teresa rescues the (Fabiola's) fake-nurse character from the hot seat of bringing one of her supposed medical friends home for a consultation. Teresa's mom, Refugio, becomes catatonic, tortured about Teresa's involvement with the professor and sends Mariano tearing off after her to drag her back.
Hysterical Refugio is astounded to learn Teresa's dad trusts her and permitted her to talk to the professor. At Arturo's house, Teresa adores its magnificence and learns the young woman who tried to brush her off without an appointment is his sister. The sister has an inferiority complex about her appearance, in contrast to Teresa.
As it turns out, all Arturo asks in return for footing the bill for her education is that Teresa become her class valedictorian and work the first couple years with him after graduation. He wants someone dedicated and intelligent to work with him, as he thinks she is. He passionately declares she has a hunger for knowledge. Teresa in turn begins to makes him one condition, which we don't see, off camera.
Mariano pulls up in his taxi as Teresa's exiting and raises holy hell outside Arturo's gate trying to get to her, through the housemaid and Arturo's sister, who doesn't approve of the people Teresa associates with. She tells Arturo she doesn't want Teresa in the house again.
Teresa is somewhat vexed to hear that Mariano came there because her mother sent him instead of her suspicion he's jealous. The fake-nurse calls Aída's dad to meet with him, and he brushes her off due to his wife being in the room. Later on when they meet at the condo, the dad is not happy the fake-nurse wants a real job.
Back home at the projects, Refugio is startled to hear that the professor only wants her to excel and work hard. Next day Teresa tries to enlist Juanita to convince her mom the professor's ok and enthuses how Mariano still loves her like she loves him. At school later, Teresa is taken aback to see that the "Mariano" Aurora has such a crush on is none other than Teresa's own.
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Something interesting about the actress who portrays Paulo's mother: she's a former Miss Mexico -- and with a little curious back story, too.
Turns out Felicia Mercado (Miss Mexico 1977) is a natural blonde, and she supposedly confessed in an interview that she was told if she wanted to go farther in the pageant, she needed to color her hair dark.
She did so; she won, and went back to being a natural blonde.
Turns out Felicia Mercado (Miss Mexico 1977) is a natural blonde, and she supposedly confessed in an interview that she was told if she wanted to go farther in the pageant, she needed to color her hair dark.
She did so; she won, and went back to being a natural blonde.
Jeri ant Aribeth, thank you once again for your joint effort.
OMG, that Teresa is wise beyond her years. It makes me very grateful I never had a daughter.
I think the sister is going to be nothing but trouble for Teresa. It will be interesting to find out about the condition! We have a long way to go to get the background on all of these characters, it should be a fun ride.
Rosemary
OMG, that Teresa is wise beyond her years. It makes me very grateful I never had a daughter.
I think the sister is going to be nothing but trouble for Teresa. It will be interesting to find out about the condition! We have a long way to go to get the background on all of these characters, it should be a fun ride.
Rosemary
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: Friday, April 1, 2011 at 11:07:00 PM EDT
: Friday, April 1, 2011 at 11:07:00 PM EDT
I can't imagine why Felicia Mercado would have had to darken her hair and I'm glad she took her own identity back after the win.
As I commented in the TdA thread, other women can spot golddiggers and other female users better than men. Arturo's sister has the right instincts and of course she will do what she can to protect her brother. Who doesn't look like a fool.
Now if Teresa ditched Mariano because of a lack of ambition she has no tight to interfere between him and Aurora. Is it possible that she intends to marry rich and cheat with whomever she wants? It would be a natural reaction after what happened with Paulo.
As I commented in the TdA thread, other women can spot golddiggers and other female users better than men. Arturo's sister has the right instincts and of course she will do what she can to protect her brother. Who doesn't look like a fool.
Now if Teresa ditched Mariano because of a lack of ambition she has no tight to interfere between him and Aurora. Is it possible that she intends to marry rich and cheat with whomever she wants? It would be a natural reaction after what happened with Paulo.
Good morning everyone!
I was very pleased with the interplay between Teresa’s parents, Refugio and Armando. Refugio has had a frightening feeling all along about the reasons that a wealthy man would offer to help her beautiful daughter. Also, she has had nagging doubts before about Teresa, where are her school friends? Armando feels that they have given Teresa a good foundation, she is grown and she is capable of making the right decision.......a perfect parental conflict that is played out every day all over the world. Who was right, not sure! Refugio had the frantic look of a person who feels that no one is listening, and in fact, due to her extreme anxiety, she contributed to Mariano’s ridiculous act, trying to climb an iron fence to “save” Teresa, when at that point, she didn’t need saving. I think most likely, others will need to be saved FROM Teresa before it is all over anyway!
I know Teresa’s open perusal of Arturos’ house was meant to show extreme materialism, but I will have to say myself, that was a beautiful home!! I might have been tempted to look around myself!
Jeri, thanks for your synopsis. Again, we have the opportunity to enjoy the beautifully crafted sentences that seem to flow easily from your keyboard!
I was very pleased with the interplay between Teresa’s parents, Refugio and Armando. Refugio has had a frightening feeling all along about the reasons that a wealthy man would offer to help her beautiful daughter. Also, she has had nagging doubts before about Teresa, where are her school friends? Armando feels that they have given Teresa a good foundation, she is grown and she is capable of making the right decision.......a perfect parental conflict that is played out every day all over the world. Who was right, not sure! Refugio had the frantic look of a person who feels that no one is listening, and in fact, due to her extreme anxiety, she contributed to Mariano’s ridiculous act, trying to climb an iron fence to “save” Teresa, when at that point, she didn’t need saving. I think most likely, others will need to be saved FROM Teresa before it is all over anyway!
I know Teresa’s open perusal of Arturos’ house was meant to show extreme materialism, but I will have to say myself, that was a beautiful home!! I might have been tempted to look around myself!
Jeri, thanks for your synopsis. Again, we have the opportunity to enjoy the beautifully crafted sentences that seem to flow easily from your keyboard!
I enjoyed the scene with Teresa and the professor; it will be interesting to see what kind of trouble he's got himself into and how his will power holds out, LOL.
Oops, Sandy, jinx! Great analysis of the parental motivation and subsequent events at Arturo's.
I see we agree that there's more to worry about where Teresa's effect is concerned rather than the reverse, LOL.
However, I think Teresa could be going to have a good effect on the sister eventually, bringing her out of a shell.
Teresa liked the sister -- and the house is gorgeous! Count me in on that, too. Gawd that library, eh!?
I see we agree that there's more to worry about where Teresa's effect is concerned rather than the reverse, LOL.
However, I think Teresa could be going to have a good effect on the sister eventually, bringing her out of a shell.
Teresa liked the sister -- and the house is gorgeous! Count me in on that, too. Gawd that library, eh!?
Jeri- Thank you so much for the wonderful recap.
Sandy- Great analysis of Teresa's parents. I totally agree.
Ditto about ogling the Prof's house. My eyes were going here, there and everywhere too. What a library!! I really enjoyed the interplay between Teresa and the Professor. For now, they are pretty evenly matched. No one has the upper hand. There were tons of double entendres being thrown around by both of them and they both seemed to be enjoying the word/power play. He seems to see and understand who Teresa is better than anyone else. He sees her intelligence and her raw ambition and he likes it. He wants to shape that ambition, harness it, and use it to his law firm's advantage. But he is obviously also very attracted to her mentally and physically, and this will likely be his downfall. I see him falling for her, and hard. While her heart will only truly belong to Mariano.
I really wonder what Teresa asked in exchange. I hope we find out on Monday.
Did it seem to anyone else that Refugio also has a weak heart like Rosita? She was huffing and puffing and clutching her chest quite a bit.
Sandy- Great analysis of Teresa's parents. I totally agree.
Ditto about ogling the Prof's house. My eyes were going here, there and everywhere too. What a library!! I really enjoyed the interplay between Teresa and the Professor. For now, they are pretty evenly matched. No one has the upper hand. There were tons of double entendres being thrown around by both of them and they both seemed to be enjoying the word/power play. He seems to see and understand who Teresa is better than anyone else. He sees her intelligence and her raw ambition and he likes it. He wants to shape that ambition, harness it, and use it to his law firm's advantage. But he is obviously also very attracted to her mentally and physically, and this will likely be his downfall. I see him falling for her, and hard. While her heart will only truly belong to Mariano.
I really wonder what Teresa asked in exchange. I hope we find out on Monday.
Did it seem to anyone else that Refugio also has a weak heart like Rosita? She was huffing and puffing and clutching her chest quite a bit.
Funny moment- When Refugio overhears that Johnny is taking Rosita to get tests done at the doctor's office, sees how secretive Rosita and Johnny are being, and gets all wide eyed scared and tells Rosita they need to have a TALK, ALONE. She was for sure thinking Rosita was possibly pregnant, by Johnny, and going to get a pregnancy test. Meanwhile, total innocents Rosita and Johnny had no clue her mind had gone there. It was very subtle, but the audience knew where her mind was going without her saying it out loud.
Cutberto is so cute. Why isn't Juanita jumping his bones? I know I would...
I'm going to start doing some shameless promotion of this show on the threads for the other shows to see if we can get some more viewers, commenters, and most importantly, recappers! This show is too good, and on at a prime time, for it to not be fully covered by Caray Caray. If need be next week, I may be able to give a high level (not detailed) recap one of the days.
Cutberto is so cute. Why isn't Juanita jumping his bones? I know I would...
I'm going to start doing some shameless promotion of this show on the threads for the other shows to see if we can get some more viewers, commenters, and most importantly, recappers! This show is too good, and on at a prime time, for it to not be fully covered by Caray Caray. If need be next week, I may be able to give a high level (not detailed) recap one of the days.
Good morning, Vivi; thank you in advance for your P.R. work! LOL And I would love to see your recap.
I actually don't think we need anything long. As Jarocha says, the pacing in this show is leisurely; so probably synopses would do fine anyway. Plenty of time for things to come to light, with 150 episodes.
Refugio is a worrier, isn't she? That seems to be her role right quickly defined here.
I actually don't think we need anything long. As Jarocha says, the pacing in this show is leisurely; so probably synopses would do fine anyway. Plenty of time for things to come to light, with 150 episodes.
Refugio is a worrier, isn't she? That seems to be her role right quickly defined here.
Thanks so much for recapping, this is the first Telenovela I've tried to follow as I'm learning Spanish, so it will be great if you get the recappers to follow it full time!
Since I haven't watched much univision before does anyone else think they sometimes have a problem with getting the lipsynching right? It doesn't seem too bad on Teresa, but the show before it was way out the other day!
Since I haven't watched much univision before does anyone else think they sometimes have a problem with getting the lipsynching right? It doesn't seem too bad on Teresa, but the show before it was way out the other day!
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 10:50:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 10:50:00 AM EDT
Vivi,
I too think that Arturo and Teresa are evenly matched, this will be a fun relationship to observe....who blinks first! I also noticed Refugio’s “worry” with Rosita and Johnny. I really “get” Refugio, she’s a real person. I even like her frazzled look, been there, done that! And yes, we now have to watch the health of three people, Refugio, Rosita and the most worrisome, the young man with the persistent fever, oh dear! On Teresa posters/watchers, I have encouraged two of my email Caray friends to watch Teresa. I suggested to one to just tape it, it is easier to drop something if you don’t like it than add it later. There are many more choices now! I honestly think that the pre-ads scared some people away.
Yes Jeri, we are on the same page with our thoughts on Teresa’s “effect” on people. I hope that Teresa is a good influence on Arturo’s sister, it is so much better to watch a good/bad person that just a bad/bad person!...
I think a synopsis is fine too. I might contribute one or two along the way. For beginners like Anon 10:50, we are happy to help with dialogue or maybe Anon can help me with dialogue! There is a problem with lip-syncing all over cable now. I see it on non-Univision shows. It makes understanding Spanish harder.
Welcome Anon!
I too think that Arturo and Teresa are evenly matched, this will be a fun relationship to observe....who blinks first! I also noticed Refugio’s “worry” with Rosita and Johnny. I really “get” Refugio, she’s a real person. I even like her frazzled look, been there, done that! And yes, we now have to watch the health of three people, Refugio, Rosita and the most worrisome, the young man with the persistent fever, oh dear! On Teresa posters/watchers, I have encouraged two of my email Caray friends to watch Teresa. I suggested to one to just tape it, it is easier to drop something if you don’t like it than add it later. There are many more choices now! I honestly think that the pre-ads scared some people away.
Yes Jeri, we are on the same page with our thoughts on Teresa’s “effect” on people. I hope that Teresa is a good influence on Arturo’s sister, it is so much better to watch a good/bad person that just a bad/bad person!...
I think a synopsis is fine too. I might contribute one or two along the way. For beginners like Anon 10:50, we are happy to help with dialogue or maybe Anon can help me with dialogue! There is a problem with lip-syncing all over cable now. I see it on non-Univision shows. It makes understanding Spanish harder.
Welcome Anon!
Welcome Anon 10:50!! ( I hope you will feel comfortable enough to share a name, doesn't have to be your given name, with us). Please do feel free to ask questios, answer questions, and share thoughts with us.
What I like about Teresa so far is that she does not wallow in self pitty. She allows herself a cry, but then wipes the tears away and goes on to Plan B. She also does not indulge anyone else in their self pity. Her advice to both Aurora and Rosita-- fight for your dreams. If you don't fight for your dreams, no one else is going to do it for you. I'll support you in your fight, but I'm not going to fight for you. And if you're not willing to fight, don't whine to me about it. Brutal? Yes. But, honest.
I see three categories of people:
1) People like Aurora who have a dream, but are too scared to fight the obstacles in her way, and whine about it.
2) Teresa who will fight tooth and nail to reach her dreams, no matter what the cost, or who gets in the way.
3) Mariano who has a dream, and will work hard to accomplish it, but will put the needs of others first before pursuing his dream.
This is the difference between Mariano and Teresa. For Mariano family, friends and duty (paying the debt from his mother's illness) come first. For Teresa, Teresa comes first. She also mistakenly puts Mariano in category #1, not understanding the differnce between the cowardice of the people in category 1, and the bravery of a person like Mariano in category #3.
What I like about Teresa so far is that she does not wallow in self pitty. She allows herself a cry, but then wipes the tears away and goes on to Plan B. She also does not indulge anyone else in their self pity. Her advice to both Aurora and Rosita-- fight for your dreams. If you don't fight for your dreams, no one else is going to do it for you. I'll support you in your fight, but I'm not going to fight for you. And if you're not willing to fight, don't whine to me about it. Brutal? Yes. But, honest.
I see three categories of people:
1) People like Aurora who have a dream, but are too scared to fight the obstacles in her way, and whine about it.
2) Teresa who will fight tooth and nail to reach her dreams, no matter what the cost, or who gets in the way.
3) Mariano who has a dream, and will work hard to accomplish it, but will put the needs of others first before pursuing his dream.
This is the difference between Mariano and Teresa. For Mariano family, friends and duty (paying the debt from his mother's illness) come first. For Teresa, Teresa comes first. She also mistakenly puts Mariano in category #1, not understanding the differnce between the cowardice of the people in category 1, and the bravery of a person like Mariano in category #3.
I also think Arturo's sister is in category #1, and Teresa was being honest with her when she told her she's pretty. She's just not working her assets, and Teresa recognized that. She seems to have created this mousy persona for herself, who lives in her brother's shadow. I think Teresa could be good for her, to help break her out of her shell.
Thank you so much for the synopsis Jeri. I too loved the Professor's house and that library; I could have set up camp there. I probably would have done the same thing if I was in Teresa’s shoes. Speaking of which, was the sparks flying between Teresa and Arturo or what. Whew. I'm curious to see how Arturo will try to contain his obvious desire for her. I hope they don't keep us waiting to see what Teresa asked for in exchange.
It will be interesting to see how Teresa and Arturo's sister interact with each other after the whole Mariano trying to climb the fence to save her scene. It definitely sealed her dislike for our ambitious spitfire.
That's it folks. I'm sold on this show and am it for the long haul. Looking forward the Monday's show.
It will be interesting to see how Teresa and Arturo's sister interact with each other after the whole Mariano trying to climb the fence to save her scene. It definitely sealed her dislike for our ambitious spitfire.
That's it folks. I'm sold on this show and am it for the long haul. Looking forward the Monday's show.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 2:01:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 2:01:00 PM EDT
Sorry yes I am Anon from earlier... I should have left my name.
Anyhow, unfortunately I think it's unlikely that I will be able to help you with the dialogue, I'm only at the intermediate level. I actually find the women easier to understand, especially Teresa and Refugio, and the men such as Paolo, impossible, and I'm relying on the subtitles and recaps here. Hopefully I will improve in time!
As for the characters, having never seen a TN before, I find it interesting how they declare what they are going to do, in that way it reminds me a bit of Shakespeare. When in the 2nd episode Teresa declared that she was going on different path from now on and she was going to use her beauty to her advantage I thought that was really interesting.
Given everyone has queued this TN up by saying that Teresa will become a b*tch as it goes on, I wonder how long we will sympathize with her or whether sympathies will go to other characters like Aurora or the younger sister.
Anyhow, unfortunately I think it's unlikely that I will be able to help you with the dialogue, I'm only at the intermediate level. I actually find the women easier to understand, especially Teresa and Refugio, and the men such as Paolo, impossible, and I'm relying on the subtitles and recaps here. Hopefully I will improve in time!
As for the characters, having never seen a TN before, I find it interesting how they declare what they are going to do, in that way it reminds me a bit of Shakespeare. When in the 2nd episode Teresa declared that she was going on different path from now on and she was going to use her beauty to her advantage I thought that was really interesting.
Given everyone has queued this TN up by saying that Teresa will become a b*tch as it goes on, I wonder how long we will sympathize with her or whether sympathies will go to other characters like Aurora or the younger sister.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 2:03:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 2:03:00 PM EDT
Hi, Richard. :-) Well, as we discussed in the premier episode, there may be some parallels between Scarlet, Melanie and Ashley from Gone With the Wind and Teresa, Aurora and Mariano here.
I think Teresa could be possibly going to try to hang on to and depend on her love for Mariano during her difficult quest as her respite and hole card, despite the interest in him of her friend, Aurora.
Their idealized love might be something Teresa and Scarlet kind of share. But as it turned out in GWTW, it wasn't what Scarlet wanted after all.
I think Teresa could be possibly going to try to hang on to and depend on her love for Mariano during her difficult quest as her respite and hole card, despite the interest in him of her friend, Aurora.
Their idealized love might be something Teresa and Scarlet kind of share. But as it turned out in GWTW, it wasn't what Scarlet wanted after all.
Urban: I’m going to guess that Teresa either doesn't realize she loves Mariano, and will be giving (unconsciously)Aurora a hard time, or she will be like the dog in the manger, doesn’t want him, doesn’t want anyone else to have him. My guess is she really is in love with him but thinks success is more important. I can't decide if she is evil, or just practical.
Why did Mariano climbed the fence to save Teresa? He couldn’t wait until she came out? He really thought this was a life and death situation? Her honor would be besmirched? It makes me wonder if Teresa thinks he is not smart enough for her.
Am I wrong, or is this TN head and shoulders above the others? It seems like quality art compared to the other TN's I've seen. I like Richard’s comparison to Shakespeare. Maybe not quite Shakespeare...
Why did Mariano climbed the fence to save Teresa? He couldn’t wait until she came out? He really thought this was a life and death situation? Her honor would be besmirched? It makes me wonder if Teresa thinks he is not smart enough for her.
Am I wrong, or is this TN head and shoulders above the others? It seems like quality art compared to the other TN's I've seen. I like Richard’s comparison to Shakespeare. Maybe not quite Shakespeare...
Richard (up the road in Baltimore)- Welcome to the world of telenovelas. I think you picked a good one to be your first as our amiga Jarocha (a frequent visitor on this site who is in Mexico) has given it the thumbs up.
As for the characters speaking to themselves-- great camparison to Shakespeare. Typically in tns, the villains speak to themselves a lot about their motivations and next steps. Sometimes the heroes/heroines speak to themselves too, but it's usually when they're in revenge mode. Teresa is different and should be interesting because our heroine is also a villainess (or will be).
This tn is also different because it's not about the hero and heroine trying to be together and external people getting in the way and trying to separate them. It's about our heroine's quest (as Jeri described it), and in that way it's a bit like a Homeric tale. I didn't like most Greek epic heroes and found them to be arrogant, like Teresa. But what entertaining adventures! Like a hero in a Greek tragedy, Teresa will make some bad choices and hurt a bunch of people on her way to attaining her goal. She'll also probably have some great adventures and win some great battles. It will only be at the end when she will know if it was all worth it. It will be fun to watch though!
As for the characters speaking to themselves-- great camparison to Shakespeare. Typically in tns, the villains speak to themselves a lot about their motivations and next steps. Sometimes the heroes/heroines speak to themselves too, but it's usually when they're in revenge mode. Teresa is different and should be interesting because our heroine is also a villainess (or will be).
This tn is also different because it's not about the hero and heroine trying to be together and external people getting in the way and trying to separate them. It's about our heroine's quest (as Jeri described it), and in that way it's a bit like a Homeric tale. I didn't like most Greek epic heroes and found them to be arrogant, like Teresa. But what entertaining adventures! Like a hero in a Greek tragedy, Teresa will make some bad choices and hurt a bunch of people on her way to attaining her goal. She'll also probably have some great adventures and win some great battles. It will only be at the end when she will know if it was all worth it. It will be fun to watch though!
Pretty soon we'll know all the names, but to refresh our memories,
Esperanza: the wanna be nurse, having an affair with Rubén, Aida's father
Mayra: Aida's Mom (being cheated on by Esperanza)
Genoveva: Paulo's Mom
Luisa: Arturo's sister
Richard, I started studying Spanish 4 years ago. I started watching telenovelas about 3 years ago. At first I could hardly understand anything. Now I can understand almost everything. It's a great way to learn!
As for the lack of lip-synch, I believe this is a problem with the changeover to HD, and will eventually get solved.
Esperanza: the wanna be nurse, having an affair with Rubén, Aida's father
Mayra: Aida's Mom (being cheated on by Esperanza)
Genoveva: Paulo's Mom
Luisa: Arturo's sister
Richard, I started studying Spanish 4 years ago. I started watching telenovelas about 3 years ago. At first I could hardly understand anything. Now I can understand almost everything. It's a great way to learn!
As for the lack of lip-synch, I believe this is a problem with the changeover to HD, and will eventually get solved.
Hombre, thanks for the crib sheet. Sandy, you'd be a great recapper! Melinama is looking for recappers for Teresa if you are interested.
She sent out a memo saying someone wants to take a day, and someone else wants to share a day.
If that interests you, let her know at the email address listed by the Teresa discussion link on the front page.
She sent out a memo saying someone wants to take a day, and someone else wants to share a day.
If that interests you, let her know at the email address listed by the Teresa discussion link on the front page.
P.S. I've been filling in, posting discussion threads until Caray gets recappers for Teresa.
So if someone has volunteered for a day, please just let me know so I don't post one on your day; thanks!
So if someone has volunteered for a day, please just let me know so I don't post one on your day; thanks!
Sandy: I think it would be terrific to have you doing recaps! Even if it's only bullet points, at least it's something and it seems only a couple of new things take place each episodio in this one.
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I really like the chemistry between Sebastian Rulli and Angelique Boyer on screen. He's very good expressing the subtleties of his characters' emotions--and I'm partial to handsome blondes with square jaws, anyway. ; ? ) He was put together v-e-e-e-r-r-y nicely. As for AB, it's only the second time I've seen her in anything, but she does not walk through her parts, either. Many of the others I've never seen before or heard of, either, although I've been watching these things since 2003 now.....
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I really like the chemistry between Sebastian Rulli and Angelique Boyer on screen. He's very good expressing the subtleties of his characters' emotions--and I'm partial to handsome blondes with square jaws, anyway. ; ? ) He was put together v-e-e-e-r-r-y nicely. As for AB, it's only the second time I've seen her in anything, but she does not walk through her parts, either. Many of the others I've never seen before or heard of, either, although I've been watching these things since 2003 now.....
Jardinera, I have offered to help on this one...whatever that might be! I contributed a bit on Mi Pecado. Are you a gardener...."jardinera"? Did you notice the hydrangeas on the table in Arturo's library? I could swear that they were cut from a real garden, they were green and white unlike those that you buy from a florist which are always one color. They were beautiful! I'm still stuck on that house!!!!
@Vivi - nice parallel to the greek tragedies, we shall indeed have to see how our heroine fares, and whether it will end up as a tragedy for her!
@Hombre - thanks for the encouragement about the Spanish learning, I've been learning for about 18 months, and thought I was doing ok until I went to Panama and realised I couldn't actually understand people given how quickly the spoke, so I thought I'd get in on the world of TNs. Any tips you have for learning the language with the TNs would be appreciated!
@Hombre - thanks for the encouragement about the Spanish learning, I've been learning for about 18 months, and thought I was doing ok until I went to Panama and realised I couldn't actually understand people given how quickly the spoke, so I thought I'd get in on the world of TNs. Any tips you have for learning the language with the TNs would be appreciated!
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 5:15:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 5:15:00 PM EDT
Thank you Jeri for the summary and the clips and to you too Aribeth for the caps!
I was a little annoyed at Mariano trying to climb the fence to be honest, but I also think Teresa could have handled her conversation with her mother better so she wouldn't have felt so anguished as she did.
I loved the scene with Arturo and Teresa. I liked how she didn't second guessed herself when she accepted his proposal. She is incredibly sure of herself and I bet he found that attractive because there where sparks flying in that meeting.
Jarocha
I was a little annoyed at Mariano trying to climb the fence to be honest, but I also think Teresa could have handled her conversation with her mother better so she wouldn't have felt so anguished as she did.
I loved the scene with Arturo and Teresa. I liked how she didn't second guessed herself when she accepted his proposal. She is incredibly sure of herself and I bet he found that attractive because there where sparks flying in that meeting.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 7:19:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 7:19:00 PM EDT
SandyTN: Yep, I love to mess with flowers and love to see what they use in the scenery on these things. I check to see what they have in Mexico vs. up here in the Mid-west.
Thanks for the recap! Especially since it is in English! I read the recap first and then watched the Spanish. I understand SO much more!!! I am totally hooked on this novela!!! The only other novela I could get into was Pobre Diabla back in the day.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 8:56:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 8:56:00 PM EDT
Thanks for your recap Jeri. And also thanks to Aribeth and Vivi for your works on the other days. It's great to see some many from LVO here as well!!
Welcome Richard. My suggestion about learning from TNs is that you are patient with yourself. Some scenes I understand completely and then in the next scene I have no idea what just happened. It's all part of the learning process and my comprehension is so much better now than when I started. Some people use the Spanish closed captions and it can be very helpful but sometimes the CCs are not good.
Vivi I must thank you for plugging this TN. I know Jarocha had recommended this one and I had intended to watch it. I taped the episodes but hadn't gotten around to watching it yet. But your excitement prompted me watch and I stayed up way too late viewing all 3 episodes at once! As you said we're off to a get start and Teresa is not the typical heroine. I'm in!
Welcome Richard. My suggestion about learning from TNs is that you are patient with yourself. Some scenes I understand completely and then in the next scene I have no idea what just happened. It's all part of the learning process and my comprehension is so much better now than when I started. Some people use the Spanish closed captions and it can be very helpful but sometimes the CCs are not good.
Vivi I must thank you for plugging this TN. I know Jarocha had recommended this one and I had intended to watch it. I taped the episodes but hadn't gotten around to watching it yet. But your excitement prompted me watch and I stayed up way too late viewing all 3 episodes at once! As you said we're off to a get start and Teresa is not the typical heroine. I'm in!
I am lurking and trying to follow this novela on most nights. I, unfortunately, am hooked on DWTS and Am Idol which air at the same time on some nights. So the links will come in handy, Jeri. Nice to read the recaps and comments from the LVO crowd and others.
GinCA
GinCA
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 11:41:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 11:41:00 PM EDT
Richard: I started recording TNs to watch later, and using the Spanish CCs really helps, but don't FF through the commercials, because I find the commercials have helped, too, because of the repetition, and they have no CCs.
I supplement with some self study from the "practice makes perfect" book series, which speeds things up. I have been doing this since July 2010, and I am starting to understand random conversations overheard on the street and at my job.
Buena suerte!
I supplement with some self study from the "practice makes perfect" book series, which speeds things up. I have been doing this since July 2010, and I am starting to understand random conversations overheard on the street and at my job.
Buena suerte!
Jeri, thank you for coming to the rescue (yet again!) with your marvelous recap. Your pictures captured the essence of the events. Vivid and wondrous.
You masterfully convey the often torturous emotions that plague these characters: "...Refugio, becomes catatonic, tortured about Teresa's involvement with the professor" and "He passionately declares she has a hunger for knowledge"...Sigh. Beautifully expressed.
So many wonderful comments. I will simply say I love this character - a contradiction in terms - vulnerable yet gaining strength, determined to succeed. "Teresa... proclaims her recent mortification only made her stronger". Amen.
Thanks again Jeri.
Diana
You masterfully convey the often torturous emotions that plague these characters: "...Refugio, becomes catatonic, tortured about Teresa's involvement with the professor" and "He passionately declares she has a hunger for knowledge"...Sigh. Beautifully expressed.
So many wonderful comments. I will simply say I love this character - a contradiction in terms - vulnerable yet gaining strength, determined to succeed. "Teresa... proclaims her recent mortification only made her stronger". Amen.
Thanks again Jeri.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 4, 2011 at 9:49:00 AM EDT
: Monday, April 4, 2011 at 9:49:00 AM EDT
Good morning. :-) Diana and everybody, you're welcome; and I would love to take credit for the pictures, but they are thanks to Aribeth.
Anonymous at Sun Apr 03, 08:56:00 PM EDT, welcome to the show. :-) Great to see you comment; take pity on us and make a screen name so we can talk easier. ;-)
(ha ha -- I rarely pay attention to the word-verification characters, but this one says: "RUTRO" like Astro, George Jetson's dog...)
Anonymous at Sun Apr 03, 08:56:00 PM EDT, welcome to the show. :-) Great to see you comment; take pity on us and make a screen name so we can talk easier. ;-)
(ha ha -- I rarely pay attention to the word-verification characters, but this one says: "RUTRO" like Astro, George Jetson's dog...)
Ahh Aribeth, thank you for the images - your pictures were wonderful and greatly appreciated.
Diana
Diana
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 4, 2011 at 11:32:00 AM EDT
: Monday, April 4, 2011 at 11:32:00 AM EDT
Richard, the process of understanding when they speak fast just takes time. I've been watching at least 2 hours of telenovelas (and sometimes other shows) for these last 3 years, and very, very gradually, I've been able to understand more and more phrases. I recently went to the Dominican Republic, and could actually understand the people pretty well, although when they were speaking to each other, they spoke really fast, with lots of slang, and I couldn't understand as well.
I've also done a bunch of courses, such as Learning Spanish Like Crazy, Pimsleur, Rocket Spanish, Destinos, and others, which have also helped.
Also, I have watched dvd sets of American shows (like Everybody Loves Raymond, the Simpsons, I dream of Jeannie, Mission Impossible) with the spanish language track. I usually watch first with the subtitles, then immediately again without. If you can tape a telenovela, you could watch it first with the captions, then without (if you have time!).
I've also done a bunch of courses, such as Learning Spanish Like Crazy, Pimsleur, Rocket Spanish, Destinos, and others, which have also helped.
Also, I have watched dvd sets of American shows (like Everybody Loves Raymond, the Simpsons, I dream of Jeannie, Mission Impossible) with the spanish language track. I usually watch first with the subtitles, then immediately again without. If you can tape a telenovela, you could watch it first with the captions, then without (if you have time!).
Thank you for the summary, Jeri! :)
Wow, I never guessed that Sebastián Rullí had some commanding presence. HOT.
As for learning Spanish, I think there are three rules:
1. Practice.
2. Practice.
3. Practice.
:)
Many people, including me learnt English by watching thousands of movies, series, reading books and using the net. (In my case: I playing lots of games, too.) After a while I realized I don't even need subtitles. I'll never reach Shakespeare's level, but I love that I can communicate with people from all around the world. (I can hardly imagine what is it like to be a native English speaker, for example American - knowing that people in Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ (and so on) speak the same language and there are millions who also understand it. That must be wonderful. The same goes to native Spanish speakars.)
I try to do the same with Spanish. I don't understand everything but fortunately the pronunciation of this language is very similar to mine therefore if I listen carefully I can identify the unknown words and look for the meanings in the dictionary. For example, when I recapped the first episode I learnt a new world: beca = scholarship. By the way, Paulo's articulation is horrible. But when I watched La verdad oculta, I was able to understand everything Julio Alemán said.
So.
1. Practice - watch telenovelas and favourite movies/series. I my opinion the Spanish dub is dull, but it's better than nothing.
2. Practice - read books and articles.
3. Practice - try to communicate with people whose native language is Spanish. This is what I try to do nowadays. It's one thing that I can recap a show (passive language skills - listening and reading), but I would die in Madrid/Mexico City because I can't/don't dare use the Spanish grammar and expressions properly (active language skills - talking and writing). So I force myself to use the language and study the grammar rules again. It worked when I decided to participate in the many Corazón salvaje sites last year. :) There are Spanish people on deviantart who are also fans of the games I adore and I talk with them. That's a good start.
Wow, I never guessed that Sebastián Rullí had some commanding presence. HOT.
As for learning Spanish, I think there are three rules:
1. Practice.
2. Practice.
3. Practice.
:)
Many people, including me learnt English by watching thousands of movies, series, reading books and using the net. (In my case: I playing lots of games, too.) After a while I realized I don't even need subtitles. I'll never reach Shakespeare's level, but I love that I can communicate with people from all around the world. (I can hardly imagine what is it like to be a native English speaker, for example American - knowing that people in Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ (and so on) speak the same language and there are millions who also understand it. That must be wonderful. The same goes to native Spanish speakars.)
I try to do the same with Spanish. I don't understand everything but fortunately the pronunciation of this language is very similar to mine therefore if I listen carefully I can identify the unknown words and look for the meanings in the dictionary. For example, when I recapped the first episode I learnt a new world: beca = scholarship. By the way, Paulo's articulation is horrible. But when I watched La verdad oculta, I was able to understand everything Julio Alemán said.
So.
1. Practice - watch telenovelas and favourite movies/series. I my opinion the Spanish dub is dull, but it's better than nothing.
2. Practice - read books and articles.
3. Practice - try to communicate with people whose native language is Spanish. This is what I try to do nowadays. It's one thing that I can recap a show (passive language skills - listening and reading), but I would die in Madrid/Mexico City because I can't/don't dare use the Spanish grammar and expressions properly (active language skills - talking and writing). So I force myself to use the language and study the grammar rules again. It worked when I decided to participate in the many Corazón salvaje sites last year. :) There are Spanish people on deviantart who are also fans of the games I adore and I talk with them. That's a good start.
Aribeth/Hombre/Emarie/Karen - Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 4, 2011 at 8:10:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 4, 2011 at 8:10:00 PM EDT
Aribeth, quite frankly if you had never said you weren't a native English speaker, I'd never have known. We have people who are allededly native English speakers but who knows what the heck they are saying?
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