Thursday, June 23, 2011
Alborada, 6/23/2011. Cap. 18.
Today's episode is covered in Melinama's Recap #4 at this link.
On YouTube, haguilar78's clips for Cap 18 start at this link.
Thank you for today's picture, Carlos. Of the three, I definitely prefer the horse's patooty.
On YouTube, haguilar78's clips for Cap 18 start at this link.
Thank you for today's picture, Carlos. Of the three, I definitely prefer the horse's patooty.
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Carlos~~~Good photo. Shall we caption it ''Tres Horse's asses?''
Permalink posted by 
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 3:57:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 3:57:00 PM EDT
A fine point that I found interesting. Corruption is not only tolerated and even accepted. Corruption is so universal that it's expected. Juana worries that if they don't bribe or pressure the official to clear Luis, that omission will raise suspicions in the community.
I was talking to an immigrant friend about that, some time ago. When corruption is that universal and that deeply rooted, how do you ever purge it?
I was talking to an immigrant friend about that, some time ago. When corruption is that universal and that deeply rooted, how do you ever purge it?
If you've been watching La Pola, set in Nueva Granada which is now Columbia, you'll see that the Spanish brought arrogance and corruption with them wherever they went. It stayed, just like the language.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 6:45:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 6:45:00 PM EDT
is cristobal decorating his office with cigar box labels? i can't tell if it's wall paper, or some sort of project for him. remember how the boys in college like to display their empty beer cans against a wall?
it's cute in anycase!
--mai tai
it's cute in anycase!
--mai tai
Permalink posted by : Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 7:08:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 7:08:00 PM EDT
This episode had some of my very favorite scenes. I loved the bit where Luis finally gets Hipo to admit the child is hers, and then they talk what ifs. Really funny when she asks him if he has any children outside of marriage and Luis tells her one - that he just found out about. And all the questions about what Luis would do about recognizing the child, etc. Very well done - clever writers!
Audrey
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 7:29:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 7:29:00 PM EDT
mai tai - those are boxes. It's like some giant wall storage system in his dispensary. Maybe it's built out of cigar boxes?
Audrey
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 7:31:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 7:31:00 PM EDT
In Luis & Hipolita's discussion, she says sth I just can't understand.
After he admits having a kid & that he hasn't met him, she says (sounds like)
"y quimos la madre, verdad"
quimos??????
¿Qué es esto? I've listened several times & just can't get it.
It's on 18.2 at 5:03
After he admits having a kid & that he hasn't met him, she says (sounds like)
"y quimos la madre, verdad"
quimos??????
¿Qué es esto? I've listened several times & just can't get it.
It's on 18.2 at 5:03
Variopinta: Y quien es la madre, Perla?
I usually watch with headphones. Sometimes it really helps.
Audrey
I usually watch with headphones. Sometimes it really helps.
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 9:09:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 9:09:00 PM EDT
Variopinta, I think that this is the line you're talking about:
Hipólita asks, "¿Y quién es la madre, Perla?"
A bit later she asks, "¿Y su madre, se lo va a quitar?"
Carlos
Hipólita asks, "¿Y quién es la madre, Perla?"
A bit later she asks, "¿Y su madre, se lo va a quitar?"
Carlos
In watching that conversation again, I notice that he is using tu with her and she is using the Vd. form. Interesting...
Carlos
Carlos
Yes, he started addressing her as tu in Valoverde. Maybe it was that shared handkerchief. She hasn't reciprocated yet.
Audrey
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 11:25:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 11:25:00 PM EDT
The scenes between Felipe and Martin made me sad. I'm sure that Martin is jealous of the relationships his father has with not only Luis but also Marcos. Felipe seems so close to these two. It was so harsh of Felipe to tell Martin that he was ''unlucky'' to have him as a son. I felt sorry for Martin . Then, he tries to defend Hip's honor , and Luis has him down on the ground and Marcos drags him away.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 11:41:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, June 23, 2011 at 11:41:00 PM EDT
SusanLynn, I am with you about the Felipe Martin exchange. Martin has been impulsive and immature, but not so bad to grant those words. There were just to harsh. It is something you never tell a child of yours.
Gracias Audrey & Carlos. Wow, how far off could I get, no wonder I'm having such a hard time learning Spanish. I'm going to go listen again now.
Audrey, I'm guessing Hipólita will not tutear à Don Luís until they become intimate for the simple reason that he is the "Don" and she is just a girl of dubious parentage and low economic status who was raised to know how to speak to her betters. I'm thinking of some of Jane Austen's lowly girls and their manners. But the difference is Hipólita is quite impulsive in her fierce quest for independence and justice, so she often oversteps her bounds out of frustration and anger (as in the scenes with Doña Juana)
Someone mentioned earlier that Martin is a pup. Interesting, then, that Luis treated him exactly as one would, with a pup who threatens his "master." Martin lunged at Luis, baring his fangs (waving the club). Just as you would correct a pup after such aggression, Luis put him on his back and put his hand at Martin's throat. The difference is, a pup will learn the lesson quickly: "Never threaten the master." I don't think Martin will catch on so quickly.
So far, this is my favorite scene of Hipolita and Luis together. After actually having an informative, convivial conversation with her, Luis is clearly frustrated by the interruption of Marcos arriving on horseback and Hipolita taking the opportunity to exit what was getting to be a rather intimate discussion between the two of them.
Paula--Thanks for the clarification of the expectation of interceding with money in hand. Love Dona Juana's thinking about keeping up appearances.
I probably shouldn't ruminate over this too much, but if Luis is such a threat and longtime rival, Diego could have had Luis killed years ago in a way that wouldn't point the finger at himself.
Dona Nube
Paula--Thanks for the clarification of the expectation of interceding with money in hand. Love Dona Juana's thinking about keeping up appearances.
I probably shouldn't ruminate over this too much, but if Luis is such a threat and longtime rival, Diego could have had Luis killed years ago in a way that wouldn't point the finger at himself.
Dona Nube
Permalink posted by : Friday, June 24, 2011 at 2:19:00 PM EDT
: Friday, June 24, 2011 at 2:19:00 PM EDT
@DoñaN. Well, he keeps trying. Diego, that is. And the wily/lucky Luís keeps surviving his attempts. But you're right, that's not a good point to ruminate because without Luís, there's no story.
Variopinta - just keep listening. Your ear will train itself.
But actually - there are plenty of times where the actors mumble or the background noise is high enough to cover what the actors are saying. In these cases - you might never get what words they actually said.
I often watch these older shows on-line. But if I can, I will watch on TV so I can at least see the Spanish captions.
Audrey
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But actually - there are plenty of times where the actors mumble or the background noise is high enough to cover what the actors are saying. In these cases - you might never get what words they actually said.
I often watch these older shows on-line. But if I can, I will watch on TV so I can at least see the Spanish captions.
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Friday, June 24, 2011 at 3:50:00 PM EDT
: Friday, June 24, 2011 at 3:50:00 PM EDT
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