Tuesday, September 13, 2011
La Fuerza del Destino #28 Tue 09/13/11
Antonio tries to get Carlota to agree to take the kiddies on vacation together without them knowing.
Ivan and Lucia talk about life's hardships. Ivan tells her that he still cares for her and wants to get back with her. She turns him down. He offers friendship. But I loved you then she replies. And I love you know says Ivan. He wants to see her and talk to her about things. He gets a phone call from Benito telling him that Carlota has finished talking to Antonio.
Ivan asks Lucia for an answer but she wants to think on it. They meet up with Carlota and explain they went for coffee. They bid each other goodbye with Ivan reminding her that he'll wait for her answer. Carlota questions her. Lucia says he wants to be friends.
Ivan tells Antonio about the days events regarding the checks and JJ stealing from the organization. And once he finds proof, he's could send him to jail. He doesn't want Antonio to remind him that JJ is his biological father because he abused his power and hurt many people that trusted him. But there's more behind it replies Antonio. You have found another way to get justice. Yes says Ivan. And that makes me really happy.
JJ is spouting stupidity at the dinner table to his family about running the McGuire's out of town. Just because he didn't get what he wanted. BOO-HOO. And those idiots that accepted the money from them will remember me. You will see. He is saying all this stupidity to Edith, Saul and Judith. Edith tries to make him see reason. If he makes the men in the organization mad then perhaps they will not vote for him in the upcoming election. JJ says if they don't elect me again they will regret it. Edith says now that they got the help from the McGuire's they probably don't need your help anymore. JJ tells her to watch what she says and not to be an idiot. It seems that you are on their side. Saul says that he sides with his dad. They need to know who Juan Jaime Mondragon is. And it's best to have you on their side then against. To fear you. Edith again tries to reason to the idiot JJ and says to think again. The McGuire's have a lot of money and that ways heavily in their favor. They may have money replies JJ, but I have influence. I can make them run out of town. Saul is in total agreement and tells his dad that whatever he needs to count him in. Oh, yeah says JJ. Let's go and see if you have the balls to do what I ask of you. They leave. Edith hopes they do not get into any trouble. She calls David and tells him that JJ is mad. David says they can meet up tomorrow to talk.
Antonio and Ivan talk about the missing baby. Antonio also tells him that Carlota is positive that JJ had nothing to do with Alicia's dearth. When she found out that he was bothering Alicia, she confronted JJ and threatened to tell everyone that Ivan was his child. Ivan says that the cemetery keeper claims that every week a guy brings flowers to his mother's grave. Since his return the guy no longer comes. Antonio thinks perhaps his mother had a boyfriend.
Lucia asks Carlota why she never told her that Ivan is the son of JJ. You were but a child. What was the point replies Carlota. And when we became novios asks Lucia? I didn't want to bother you with that stuff replies Carlota. Why did Ivan tell you? Probably because of all the anger he has inside says Lucia. Your mother already knew that Ivan was JJ's son replies Carlota. Lucrecia comes running up to Carlota and Lucia asking if she got the check from Antonio. Yes replies Carlota. How much questions Lucrecia? More then I thought replies Carlota.
Antolin brings Carolina flowers.
Lucrecia holds a check for 10 million pesos from the McGuire's to help with the ranch. (I say they probably got more then JJ did) Lucia asks if she's going to have Camilo be the administrator of the ranch. Of course not replies Lucrecia. I'm going to deposit this money tomorrow and then let him go afterwards. The only reason I accepted was because of Antonio. Also don't mention a word of this to Maripaz. Lucia tells Carlota that she's worried. Her mother is the worst administrator. Carlota tells her not to worry.
Antolin is trying to confirm Carolina if Alex is really Ivan/Maripaz child. Carolina of course denies it.
Ivan wants David to enter his dad's office and get proof of the fraud. David says he can't. He doesn't want his dad to go to jail. Camilo says he doesn't have to if he pays it all back. He suggests the secretary can get it. Ask her out. Wine and dine her. David says he can't. Camilo says if you can't then everyone will really believe the rumors. David gets mad and says that he's not gay. Ivan tells Camilo to stop. Ivan tells David to forgive Camilo. David says sorry, I just can't do it and leaves. Ivan tells Camilo he can't that. Camilo was hoping to move him to do something. They need proof. Then he comes up with the bright idea of talking to the treasurer. Perhaps bribing him will loosen his tongue and some documents.
Lucia is working out and recalls her conversation with Ivan about being friends. She says to herself that she can't be his friends. She just loves him too much. Her phone rings and it's David. They agree to meet the next day.
Maripaz is going to meet Ivan and her mother reminds her no drinking. Yeah right. That's like leaving a piece of cake in front of my 4 year old and telling her not to eat it and then leave the room. When I get back it's gone because "the dog" grabbed a fork and ate it.
Alex wants Gerry to take him to the new offices he's building. Gerry agrees.
Maripaz is getting her second drink when Ivan appears. He comments on her drinking. The waiter asks if he wants a drink, but Ivan just asks for mineral water. Maripaz teases him, but Ivan gets down to business. He gives her the keys to her new apartment. She asks if it's going to be their "love" nest. Ivan informs her that his father is giving her this plus an allowance as long as she keeps her trap shut about her mother and Carlota. But if you open your mouth, it all goes away. Maripaz says she cares a lot for him and can't forget about their nights in his room in the servant's wing. Ivan tells her that he is no longer interested in her. Maripaz says she can give him pleasure especially now that he is no longer with her sister. Ivan says he didn't come to talk about her sister or the past. I understand replies Maripaz. But we can become friends. Friends with benefits. I already told you I'm not interested in you. The waiter comes with Ivan's water and he asks for the check. Maripaz tells Ivan about the guy blackmailing her. Ivan says he doesn't plan on paying anyone.
Carolina tells Gerry about Antolin coming over asking her if she knew anything about Maripaz having a child. Gerry asks what did she say? I told him no replies Carolina. Why does he care asks Gerry? He said he was curious replies Carolina. He wants to know what happened to the child. What for asks Gerry? I don't know says Carolina. Gerry says I doubt he was curious. This was just a secret in the family. Now I'm scared. I need to talk to Lucrecia. Are you going to tell her the truth asks Carolina? No replies Gerry. I want to know if the rumor has reached her ears.
Maripaz tells Ivan to think about the scandal. About your mother? What about her asks Ivan? That she was a servant? That doesn't shame me. Well what about your job asks Maripaz? In your business dealings? Ivan pays the bill. Maripaz says the people can lose faith in you. Why would they wait 10 years to blackmail you asks Ivan? I don't know replies Maripaz. Perhaps because you came back. They know you have money. Then why didn't they call me directly asks Ivan? How am I suppose to know says Maripaz. Please help me. You know we don't have any money. You just received the money for the ranch, did you not asks Ivan. What asks Maripaz? When? Today says Ivan. My mother didn't tell me replies Maripaz. But it doesn't matter. That money was for the ranch. How about if we both pay half? If I tell my grandmother, she won't say no. Ivan asks if they called her house or cellphone. My cellphone replies Maripaz. But the number did not register. Ivan says the next time they call have them call me.
Maripaz arrives home drunk. Surprised? Not me. Lucrecia is waiting in her room and asks if she talked to Ivan. Maripaz tells her that Ivan will take care of it.
Carlota tells Lucia to accept Ivan's offer of friendship. Lucia thinks it's a bad idea. Carlota thinks it's a bad idea to give up her love for her family. Your sister is going to make her own life, your mother will be busy with the ranch and I will not be around forever. You need to think about yourself. I would be so happy if you would marry Ivan and give me a great grandchild. Now that I would never know the first one. That's the problem replies Lucia. All Ivan thinks about is his mother and his lost child. There is no room for me. So it's jealousy replies Carlota. No it's not jealously replies Lucia. If he doesn't come to terms with what's happened we can never be happy. His problems were caused by my family.
Ivan is at his mother's grave talking to her. The cemetery caretaker comes up and they get to chit-chatting. Ivan asks about the guy that would bring flowers to his mother's grave.
Ivan tells Antonio about his conversation with the caretaker of the cemetery. Ivan wonders who could it be.
Lucia and Carlota are walking in the patio when they see Gloria and Cleto taking boxes out. Maripaz follows with a suitcase. When questioned by Carlota, Maripaz says that Ivan bought her an apartment to move into. Carlota asks if Lucrecia knows. Maripaz tells Carlota to tell her. She then makes a dig at Lucia. Carlota tells Lucia that she doesn't believe a word that Maripaz just said. She sees Lucia crying and tells her to call Ivan to find out the truth. Lucia thinks that now since she refused him, he went back to Maripaz. Carlota says to ask him. What for asks Lucia. So that he thinks that I'm interested in him? That I'm jealous? Yes, you are replies Carlota. And if you don't call him then I will. Lucia tells her not too and runs off.
Carlota doesn't call Ivan, but she sure calls Antonio and she's pissed.
Ivan goes to visit Gerry and check on the process of the offices. Ivan asks about Alex and Carolina. He wants to talk to Gerry about some things. What about asks Gerry. About my mother and my son replies Ivan. I don't know much about that replies Gerry. Well I have some questions that you might be able to clarify says Ivan. Of course says Gerry. How about we eat lunch together asks Ivan? Sure replies Gerry.
Camilo and David are talking business. Camilo slides in a question about who the treasurer is for the organization. David just gives away the information. He asks why, but with a little lie from Camilo doesn't suspect anything. Camilo tells Ivan he got the name of the treasurer. Make an appointment? Yes, replies Ivan. But I want to talk to you about something that happened this morning and he tells him about the chit-chat he had with the caretaker.
Gerry calls Carolina and tells her about Ivan wanting to talk to him about his mother and his child. He's nervous he confesses. So am I replies Carolina. Gerry wonders if he should just tell him the truth. He can't handle the pressure anymore.
Ivan thinks the description the caretaker gave him matches Gerry. Camilo gives his reasons for why he thinks Alex is his son. Ivan's phone rings. It's his father. He says he understands and makes a call.
Lucia and Carlota are walking and talking. Lucia gets a call. It's Ivan calling. Carlota tries to convince her to answer. Ivan tells Camilo the problem that Maripaz has put him in with Lucia. Also someone is trying to blackmail her.
Ivan is ready to go to lunch, but Gerry says he has to take Carolina to the doctor. Perhaps tomorrow. Camilo thinks he's lying. Ivan thinks that Gerry took his child so that strangers wouldn't raise him, but why not tell him when he came to town? Camilo says probably because he came to love the child as his own. Ivan decides to go visit Lucia. Camilo says you have a lot of problems. Confront them with calm.
Cleto tells Ivan that Lucia is not home. Lucia is actually having lunch with Gerry. What's wrong asks Lucia. Gerry says he wants to tell her something and wants her advice. He says you knew from an early age that your mother and I didn't get along. Then came Alicia and her son.
Ivan asks Camilo to call Gerry's house and ask for Carolina. He does and pretends he's looking for his brother. Ivan now knows that Gerry lied. Now Ivan wonders where Lucia went. Obviously to eat with someone. He decides to call Carlota. He asks her where he can find Lucia. She tells him her dad called to meet for lunch. She also tells him to clarify things with her today about the apartment or she will. Lucia is suffering over it. Ivan tells her that is exactly what he's trying to do.
Gerry tells Lucia that he swears he loved her. If she had told him she was pregnant, he would have taken care of her. I had already decided to divorce your mother. How would Ivan know about your relationship with his mother asks Lucia? I don't know replies Gerry. But he also wants to know about his son. Know what asks Lucia. Alex is Ivan's son replies Gerry.
Tomorrow: Ivan tells Lucrecia about the apartment with Lucia overhearing; Ivan emails Lucia; Gerry finishes his confession to Lucia
Ivan and Lucia talk about life's hardships. Ivan tells her that he still cares for her and wants to get back with her. She turns him down. He offers friendship. But I loved you then she replies. And I love you know says Ivan. He wants to see her and talk to her about things. He gets a phone call from Benito telling him that Carlota has finished talking to Antonio.
Ivan asks Lucia for an answer but she wants to think on it. They meet up with Carlota and explain they went for coffee. They bid each other goodbye with Ivan reminding her that he'll wait for her answer. Carlota questions her. Lucia says he wants to be friends.
Ivan tells Antonio about the days events regarding the checks and JJ stealing from the organization. And once he finds proof, he's could send him to jail. He doesn't want Antonio to remind him that JJ is his biological father because he abused his power and hurt many people that trusted him. But there's more behind it replies Antonio. You have found another way to get justice. Yes says Ivan. And that makes me really happy.
JJ is spouting stupidity at the dinner table to his family about running the McGuire's out of town. Just because he didn't get what he wanted. BOO-HOO. And those idiots that accepted the money from them will remember me. You will see. He is saying all this stupidity to Edith, Saul and Judith. Edith tries to make him see reason. If he makes the men in the organization mad then perhaps they will not vote for him in the upcoming election. JJ says if they don't elect me again they will regret it. Edith says now that they got the help from the McGuire's they probably don't need your help anymore. JJ tells her to watch what she says and not to be an idiot. It seems that you are on their side. Saul says that he sides with his dad. They need to know who Juan Jaime Mondragon is. And it's best to have you on their side then against. To fear you. Edith again tries to reason to the idiot JJ and says to think again. The McGuire's have a lot of money and that ways heavily in their favor. They may have money replies JJ, but I have influence. I can make them run out of town. Saul is in total agreement and tells his dad that whatever he needs to count him in. Oh, yeah says JJ. Let's go and see if you have the balls to do what I ask of you. They leave. Edith hopes they do not get into any trouble. She calls David and tells him that JJ is mad. David says they can meet up tomorrow to talk.
Antonio and Ivan talk about the missing baby. Antonio also tells him that Carlota is positive that JJ had nothing to do with Alicia's dearth. When she found out that he was bothering Alicia, she confronted JJ and threatened to tell everyone that Ivan was his child. Ivan says that the cemetery keeper claims that every week a guy brings flowers to his mother's grave. Since his return the guy no longer comes. Antonio thinks perhaps his mother had a boyfriend.
Lucia asks Carlota why she never told her that Ivan is the son of JJ. You were but a child. What was the point replies Carlota. And when we became novios asks Lucia? I didn't want to bother you with that stuff replies Carlota. Why did Ivan tell you? Probably because of all the anger he has inside says Lucia. Your mother already knew that Ivan was JJ's son replies Carlota. Lucrecia comes running up to Carlota and Lucia asking if she got the check from Antonio. Yes replies Carlota. How much questions Lucrecia? More then I thought replies Carlota.
Antolin brings Carolina flowers.
Lucrecia holds a check for 10 million pesos from the McGuire's to help with the ranch. (I say they probably got more then JJ did) Lucia asks if she's going to have Camilo be the administrator of the ranch. Of course not replies Lucrecia. I'm going to deposit this money tomorrow and then let him go afterwards. The only reason I accepted was because of Antonio. Also don't mention a word of this to Maripaz. Lucia tells Carlota that she's worried. Her mother is the worst administrator. Carlota tells her not to worry.
Antolin is trying to confirm Carolina if Alex is really Ivan/Maripaz child. Carolina of course denies it.
Ivan wants David to enter his dad's office and get proof of the fraud. David says he can't. He doesn't want his dad to go to jail. Camilo says he doesn't have to if he pays it all back. He suggests the secretary can get it. Ask her out. Wine and dine her. David says he can't. Camilo says if you can't then everyone will really believe the rumors. David gets mad and says that he's not gay. Ivan tells Camilo to stop. Ivan tells David to forgive Camilo. David says sorry, I just can't do it and leaves. Ivan tells Camilo he can't that. Camilo was hoping to move him to do something. They need proof. Then he comes up with the bright idea of talking to the treasurer. Perhaps bribing him will loosen his tongue and some documents.
Lucia is working out and recalls her conversation with Ivan about being friends. She says to herself that she can't be his friends. She just loves him too much. Her phone rings and it's David. They agree to meet the next day.
Maripaz is going to meet Ivan and her mother reminds her no drinking. Yeah right. That's like leaving a piece of cake in front of my 4 year old and telling her not to eat it and then leave the room. When I get back it's gone because "the dog" grabbed a fork and ate it.
Alex wants Gerry to take him to the new offices he's building. Gerry agrees.
Maripaz is getting her second drink when Ivan appears. He comments on her drinking. The waiter asks if he wants a drink, but Ivan just asks for mineral water. Maripaz teases him, but Ivan gets down to business. He gives her the keys to her new apartment. She asks if it's going to be their "love" nest. Ivan informs her that his father is giving her this plus an allowance as long as she keeps her trap shut about her mother and Carlota. But if you open your mouth, it all goes away. Maripaz says she cares a lot for him and can't forget about their nights in his room in the servant's wing. Ivan tells her that he is no longer interested in her. Maripaz says she can give him pleasure especially now that he is no longer with her sister. Ivan says he didn't come to talk about her sister or the past. I understand replies Maripaz. But we can become friends. Friends with benefits. I already told you I'm not interested in you. The waiter comes with Ivan's water and he asks for the check. Maripaz tells Ivan about the guy blackmailing her. Ivan says he doesn't plan on paying anyone.
Carolina tells Gerry about Antolin coming over asking her if she knew anything about Maripaz having a child. Gerry asks what did she say? I told him no replies Carolina. Why does he care asks Gerry? He said he was curious replies Carolina. He wants to know what happened to the child. What for asks Gerry? I don't know says Carolina. Gerry says I doubt he was curious. This was just a secret in the family. Now I'm scared. I need to talk to Lucrecia. Are you going to tell her the truth asks Carolina? No replies Gerry. I want to know if the rumor has reached her ears.
Maripaz tells Ivan to think about the scandal. About your mother? What about her asks Ivan? That she was a servant? That doesn't shame me. Well what about your job asks Maripaz? In your business dealings? Ivan pays the bill. Maripaz says the people can lose faith in you. Why would they wait 10 years to blackmail you asks Ivan? I don't know replies Maripaz. Perhaps because you came back. They know you have money. Then why didn't they call me directly asks Ivan? How am I suppose to know says Maripaz. Please help me. You know we don't have any money. You just received the money for the ranch, did you not asks Ivan. What asks Maripaz? When? Today says Ivan. My mother didn't tell me replies Maripaz. But it doesn't matter. That money was for the ranch. How about if we both pay half? If I tell my grandmother, she won't say no. Ivan asks if they called her house or cellphone. My cellphone replies Maripaz. But the number did not register. Ivan says the next time they call have them call me.
Maripaz arrives home drunk. Surprised? Not me. Lucrecia is waiting in her room and asks if she talked to Ivan. Maripaz tells her that Ivan will take care of it.
Carlota tells Lucia to accept Ivan's offer of friendship. Lucia thinks it's a bad idea. Carlota thinks it's a bad idea to give up her love for her family. Your sister is going to make her own life, your mother will be busy with the ranch and I will not be around forever. You need to think about yourself. I would be so happy if you would marry Ivan and give me a great grandchild. Now that I would never know the first one. That's the problem replies Lucia. All Ivan thinks about is his mother and his lost child. There is no room for me. So it's jealousy replies Carlota. No it's not jealously replies Lucia. If he doesn't come to terms with what's happened we can never be happy. His problems were caused by my family.
Ivan is at his mother's grave talking to her. The cemetery caretaker comes up and they get to chit-chatting. Ivan asks about the guy that would bring flowers to his mother's grave.
Ivan tells Antonio about his conversation with the caretaker of the cemetery. Ivan wonders who could it be.
Lucia and Carlota are walking in the patio when they see Gloria and Cleto taking boxes out. Maripaz follows with a suitcase. When questioned by Carlota, Maripaz says that Ivan bought her an apartment to move into. Carlota asks if Lucrecia knows. Maripaz tells Carlota to tell her. She then makes a dig at Lucia. Carlota tells Lucia that she doesn't believe a word that Maripaz just said. She sees Lucia crying and tells her to call Ivan to find out the truth. Lucia thinks that now since she refused him, he went back to Maripaz. Carlota says to ask him. What for asks Lucia. So that he thinks that I'm interested in him? That I'm jealous? Yes, you are replies Carlota. And if you don't call him then I will. Lucia tells her not too and runs off.
Carlota doesn't call Ivan, but she sure calls Antonio and she's pissed.
Ivan goes to visit Gerry and check on the process of the offices. Ivan asks about Alex and Carolina. He wants to talk to Gerry about some things. What about asks Gerry. About my mother and my son replies Ivan. I don't know much about that replies Gerry. Well I have some questions that you might be able to clarify says Ivan. Of course says Gerry. How about we eat lunch together asks Ivan? Sure replies Gerry.
Camilo and David are talking business. Camilo slides in a question about who the treasurer is for the organization. David just gives away the information. He asks why, but with a little lie from Camilo doesn't suspect anything. Camilo tells Ivan he got the name of the treasurer. Make an appointment? Yes, replies Ivan. But I want to talk to you about something that happened this morning and he tells him about the chit-chat he had with the caretaker.
Gerry calls Carolina and tells her about Ivan wanting to talk to him about his mother and his child. He's nervous he confesses. So am I replies Carolina. Gerry wonders if he should just tell him the truth. He can't handle the pressure anymore.
Ivan thinks the description the caretaker gave him matches Gerry. Camilo gives his reasons for why he thinks Alex is his son. Ivan's phone rings. It's his father. He says he understands and makes a call.
Lucia and Carlota are walking and talking. Lucia gets a call. It's Ivan calling. Carlota tries to convince her to answer. Ivan tells Camilo the problem that Maripaz has put him in with Lucia. Also someone is trying to blackmail her.
Ivan is ready to go to lunch, but Gerry says he has to take Carolina to the doctor. Perhaps tomorrow. Camilo thinks he's lying. Ivan thinks that Gerry took his child so that strangers wouldn't raise him, but why not tell him when he came to town? Camilo says probably because he came to love the child as his own. Ivan decides to go visit Lucia. Camilo says you have a lot of problems. Confront them with calm.
Cleto tells Ivan that Lucia is not home. Lucia is actually having lunch with Gerry. What's wrong asks Lucia. Gerry says he wants to tell her something and wants her advice. He says you knew from an early age that your mother and I didn't get along. Then came Alicia and her son.
Ivan asks Camilo to call Gerry's house and ask for Carolina. He does and pretends he's looking for his brother. Ivan now knows that Gerry lied. Now Ivan wonders where Lucia went. Obviously to eat with someone. He decides to call Carlota. He asks her where he can find Lucia. She tells him her dad called to meet for lunch. She also tells him to clarify things with her today about the apartment or she will. Lucia is suffering over it. Ivan tells her that is exactly what he's trying to do.
Gerry tells Lucia that he swears he loved her. If she had told him she was pregnant, he would have taken care of her. I had already decided to divorce your mother. How would Ivan know about your relationship with his mother asks Lucia? I don't know replies Gerry. But he also wants to know about his son. Know what asks Lucia. Alex is Ivan's son replies Gerry.
Tomorrow: Ivan tells Lucrecia about the apartment with Lucia overhearing; Ivan emails Lucia; Gerry finishes his confession to Lucia
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Gloria-What a great recap. So much detail! I tend to zone out whenever JJ starts talking, so thank you for covering his dining room diatribe so thoroughly.
You are so right about telling Maripaz not to drink. She is an alcoholic...she can't help herself. Of course, Lucrazy is in denial.
You are so right about telling Maripaz not to drink. She is an alcoholic...she can't help herself. Of course, Lucrazy is in denial.
Thank you, Gloria. Wow, a lot happened last night. I couldn't get over the fact that we went so far -- from Camilo's suspicions shared with Ivan to Gerry's confession.
I LOVE the way that Carlota says Tony. It's so cute. The actress has a wonderful voice.
Lots left to learn and resolve. This has been a fun ride so far.
I LOVE the way that Carlota says Tony. It's so cute. The actress has a wonderful voice.
Lots left to learn and resolve. This has been a fun ride so far.
Thanks so much Gloria for giving us such a detailed recap.
Gerry looked like he was sweaing bullets when Ivan asked him to meet to speak about his missing child and his mother. That alone, and then Gerry's disappearing act, should give Ivan all the answers he needs about BOTH those issues.
Unfortunately, now that Lucia knows the truth, it will once again look like she's hiding major things from Ivan to protect her family. Yet another test of their relationship, which is on shaky ground already.
I like that the good guys come to correct conclusions in this. Camilo was totally right about why Gerry wouldn't have told Ivan the truth about Alex, if Alex is his. Unfortunatey, the bad/shady guys also come to the right conclusions, and Antolin is really good at sniffing out the truth. Would he really put Alex in the middle of a blackmailing plot when he has such a close relationship with Carolina and Alex himself? I'm afraid the answer is yes, if there's enough money involved.
Gerry looked like he was sweaing bullets when Ivan asked him to meet to speak about his missing child and his mother. That alone, and then Gerry's disappearing act, should give Ivan all the answers he needs about BOTH those issues.
Unfortunately, now that Lucia knows the truth, it will once again look like she's hiding major things from Ivan to protect her family. Yet another test of their relationship, which is on shaky ground already.
I like that the good guys come to correct conclusions in this. Camilo was totally right about why Gerry wouldn't have told Ivan the truth about Alex, if Alex is his. Unfortunatey, the bad/shady guys also come to the right conclusions, and Antolin is really good at sniffing out the truth. Would he really put Alex in the middle of a blackmailing plot when he has such a close relationship with Carolina and Alex himself? I'm afraid the answer is yes, if there's enough money involved.
Gloria, bien hecho about a great episode. I definitely have my work cut out for me tonight.
If Ivan manages to get the truth out of Gerry or Lucia the blackmailer has no power. Maripaz' reputation can't get any worse and if Ivan steps up (as we know he will) little Alex will be better off.
Unless the trauma is so great he will be rebelling against his family. I can't imagine how that will overturn his world to hear that the man he called "Papa" his entire life is actually his abuelo.
Once Ivan thinks about what happened he should realize that this was the best possible scenario under the circumstances. But that will take a few episodes at least.
Antolin is a sleaze. JJ is both a sleaze and an idiot.
I don't know if Luscreechia is in denial about Maripaz' alcoholism, but many people are ignorant about it. I personally know several people from alcoholic families and one guy who can't be near the stuff. Some can stop cold turkey and it's a question of making the decision every minute not to pick up a bottle because they know that once they start they can't stop. Others choose not to know that.
Luscreechia clearly knows that something is wrong or she wouldn't have attempted to ground Maripaz by cancelling her credit cards. However, I think it will take a 10-car pile-up for her to attempt to take any other action.
David isn't ready for a seduction MO and Camilo should have been smart enough to realize that. Not consistent with how smart he's been about Alex.
If Ivan manages to get the truth out of Gerry or Lucia the blackmailer has no power. Maripaz' reputation can't get any worse and if Ivan steps up (as we know he will) little Alex will be better off.
Unless the trauma is so great he will be rebelling against his family. I can't imagine how that will overturn his world to hear that the man he called "Papa" his entire life is actually his abuelo.
Once Ivan thinks about what happened he should realize that this was the best possible scenario under the circumstances. But that will take a few episodes at least.
Antolin is a sleaze. JJ is both a sleaze and an idiot.
I don't know if Luscreechia is in denial about Maripaz' alcoholism, but many people are ignorant about it. I personally know several people from alcoholic families and one guy who can't be near the stuff. Some can stop cold turkey and it's a question of making the decision every minute not to pick up a bottle because they know that once they start they can't stop. Others choose not to know that.
Luscreechia clearly knows that something is wrong or she wouldn't have attempted to ground Maripaz by cancelling her credit cards. However, I think it will take a 10-car pile-up for her to attempt to take any other action.
David isn't ready for a seduction MO and Camilo should have been smart enough to realize that. Not consistent with how smart he's been about Alex.
Gloria, great recap, thanks.
Last night I came to the conclusion that Maripaz is going to die - they was a very large black crow during the ending credits right before Maripaz picture. I am sure that means death. It can't happen soon enough! Will be murder or an accident (and falling off of her shoes doesn't count)?
Rosemary
Last night I came to the conclusion that Maripaz is going to die - they was a very large black crow during the ending credits right before Maripaz picture. I am sure that means death. It can't happen soon enough! Will be murder or an accident (and falling off of her shoes doesn't count)?
Rosemary
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: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 10:55:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 10:55:00 AM EDT
Rosemary- Interesting theory about Maripaz. That crow seems to make an appearance when she's around. She's definitely on a path of self destruction with the booze and parties. And could she ever really leave Ivan, Lucia and Alex in peace by the end of this? I doubt it. Death might be the only option. I would be surprised if they redeemed her and left them all with a messy family situation for Alex.
I think you have it about Maripaz, she will probably drive off a cliff.
Lucia & Iván have been so open with each other, now the secrets start.
Gracias Gloria.
Variopinta
Lucia & Iván have been so open with each other, now the secrets start.
Gracias Gloria.
Variopinta
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 11:37:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 11:37:00 AM EDT
According to IMDB's cast listing, we're stuck with Merry Piece until the end. But I can still see her checking out by way of a car accident.
I know it's unrealistic, but I would love for Alex to not have to find out that she is his egg donor.
I know it's unrealistic, but I would love for Alex to not have to find out that she is his egg donor.
Thanks for the recap. Filled in some details I missed, and funny, too.
Maripaz is so pathetic. It will be interesting to see where her story goes. She's too dim and drunk to make a very effective villain, yet doesn't seem motivated to do much of anything besides try to hook up with Ivan and needle Lucia. I love how he is just not having it, either the seduction or the blackmail. Nice to have a fairly smart and sensible galan.
Maripaz is so pathetic. It will be interesting to see where her story goes. She's too dim and drunk to make a very effective villain, yet doesn't seem motivated to do much of anything besides try to hook up with Ivan and needle Lucia. I love how he is just not having it, either the seduction or the blackmail. Nice to have a fairly smart and sensible galan.
Thanks for your recap Gloria. As Sara noted, you helped explain JJ's rant as I also tune out when he's going off on his family or any other poor soul in his way. It will be interesting to see what his punishment will be; jail may be too good for him. He's so abusive.
Great speculation on MP. She is quite a menace. Unless she get sober and a new personality, I don't see it going well for her.
Great speculation on MP. She is quite a menace. Unless she get sober and a new personality, I don't see it going well for her.
It's funny that so many of us tune out JJ. Whenever he's on a roll, I'm too busy laughing at his ridiculous spluttering to register anything he's saying. The way he twitches and bounces around as he tries to assert his authority really cracks me up... the more he does this, the less authoritative he appears.
What was it that Lucrecia wanted Maripaz to find out from Iván?
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Permalink posted by : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 3:18:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 3:18:00 PM EDT
Great details, thanks! I was only paying half attention to some of it - MP bores me so much, more than JJ. But, I think maybe David or someone will "save" her from herself.
Did I imagine it, or did I actually hear "ADN" on a Telenovela? Swab Alex and half the revenge plot is over - Gerry saved Alex from whatever fate MP/Lucrazy would give him, so he's guilty of lying, but not evil?? Like Carlota?? Moral gray areas in this TN,too.Hmmm.
Did I imagine it, or did I actually hear "ADN" on a Telenovela? Swab Alex and half the revenge plot is over - Gerry saved Alex from whatever fate MP/Lucrazy would give him, so he's guilty of lying, but not evil?? Like Carlota?? Moral gray areas in this TN,too.Hmmm.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 3:20:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 3:20:00 PM EDT
Variopinta: Lucrezia wanted Maripaz to convince Ivan to pay the blackmailers, so that they don't have to use any of their loan money for it.
They thimk they got their way, since Ivan basically told her to have the blackmailers talk to him. He doesn't seem willing to pay though. Sounds more like he intends to give the blackmailers a piece of his mind when they call.
Yeah, I usually try to tune JJ out too. Both Judith and Esther always look like they are stifling eye rolls when he talks. Of course, an eye roll would probably earn them a slap, so they don't do it. And Saul is trying to be a mini-me, spewing all that hot air too.
They thimk they got their way, since Ivan basically told her to have the blackmailers talk to him. He doesn't seem willing to pay though. Sounds more like he intends to give the blackmailers a piece of his mind when they call.
Yeah, I usually try to tune JJ out too. Both Judith and Esther always look like they are stifling eye rolls when he talks. Of course, an eye roll would probably earn them a slap, so they don't do it. And Saul is trying to be a mini-me, spewing all that hot air too.
Sheila- Yep. They went right to talking about DNA. There are some pretty smart people in this tn. The story seems to be less about the revelation of secrets, which happen almost every episode, but more about how people react and what they do with those revelaed secrets. Especially Ivan.
I noted last night that Ivan seemed to have a twinge of sympathy when David said he didn't want to put his dad in jail. Ivan still seems to be on that path though. But just like his love for Lucia is keeping him from getting even with and pressing charges against her family members for the wrong/illegal things they've, will his growing affection for his little brother David prevent him from harming JJ?
I noted last night that Ivan seemed to have a twinge of sympathy when David said he didn't want to put his dad in jail. Ivan still seems to be on that path though. But just like his love for Lucia is keeping him from getting even with and pressing charges against her family members for the wrong/illegal things they've, will his growing affection for his little brother David prevent him from harming JJ?
If Ivan refrains from getting even with JJ it will only be out of consideration for David. Pretty interesting considering that David took most of the abuse all his life.
Great recap. Intersting about the little brother line, had not been thinking that way at all. So is Ivan the oldest - I can't understand the timeline on this.
Suprised Maripaz makes it to the end, I thought soon she would be sent packing to a "hospital". As a matter of fact what I love about this TN, is that the older generation has not been killed off, but are being allowed to play an integral part in this TN - I mean that only for Carlota and Tony, although I seem to see Lucrazy bending a bit.
I hate to say this but I thought in last night's episode Ivan looked a little tired, as if he had aged at least 10 years, don't know if it was part of the plotline, after all he had just stayed up to watch over Tony.
Suprised Maripaz makes it to the end, I thought soon she would be sent packing to a "hospital". As a matter of fact what I love about this TN, is that the older generation has not been killed off, but are being allowed to play an integral part in this TN - I mean that only for Carlota and Tony, although I seem to see Lucrazy bending a bit.
I hate to say this but I thought in last night's episode Ivan looked a little tired, as if he had aged at least 10 years, don't know if it was part of the plotline, after all he had just stayed up to watch over Tony.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 5:31:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 5:31:00 PM EDT
I think Saul might be Ivan's age or a bit older. But David is younger. Remember way back when Ivan was a young teen and peeked into the Meandrogon courtyard he saw big teen Saul picking on little boy David? David and Lucia are closer in age.
I always thought that David was older than Judith who is the same age as Maripaz and Ivan. Saul is definitely the oldest. It's odd that Maripaz was married to the younger brother and Lucia was engaged to the eldest.
What is intriguing me as a subplot right now is the eventual betrayal of Camilo towards Ivan. In last night episode, I noticed he was acting concerned about his friend but when he told Ivan that he shouldn't have fallen in love with Lucia; that didn't bode well with me ...
Myo-
What is intriguing me as a subplot right now is the eventual betrayal of Camilo towards Ivan. In last night episode, I noticed he was acting concerned about his friend but when he told Ivan that he shouldn't have fallen in love with Lucia; that didn't bode well with me ...
Myo-
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 6:55:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 6:55:00 PM EDT
IRT the crow during the credits. I've always interpreted it that Camilo would die. It's a shot of Camilo then BAM crow.
I know I'm wrong, though because Camilo isn't a bad guy.
IRT the older generation sticking around. I am glad about that, too. Although I got a little nervous when Tony had his heart attack.
I know I'm wrong, though because Camilo isn't a bad guy.
IRT the older generation sticking around. I am glad about that, too. Although I got a little nervous when Tony had his heart attack.
Yeah, the opening and closing credits clue us in on the conflict to come between Camilo and Ivan over Lucia. Right now Lucia is thinking things between her and Ivan are impossible with all the family drama, so I can see her moving on to someone else.
Myo- If the ages of the adult actors confuse you, just remember back to when they were kids for a better idea of the ages.
When Ivan came to town as a young teen of 13 or 14, he reunites with his BFF Camilo who is the same age (but much shorter at the time). Antolin was already an older teen/young man probably around 18. Remember he was already into shady biz and offered to get his pretty madrina Alicia a job. He meets Lucia who is a little girl of about 7-9 and her big sis Maripaz who is a year or less younger than him, so also a young teen. He looks in on the Mondragons and sees a boy around his age (Saul) being rough with a little boy who was reading around Lucia's age (David). Maripaz is best friends with Judith, who visits the Curiel house as a young teen when Ivan first sees her. She and Maripaz are the same age.
So Antolin is older than all of them. And in the Mondragon family Saul is the oldest, followed by Judith, then David. It's not clear if Ivan and Saul are the same age of if one is slightly older than the other.
Myo- If the ages of the adult actors confuse you, just remember back to when they were kids for a better idea of the ages.
When Ivan came to town as a young teen of 13 or 14, he reunites with his BFF Camilo who is the same age (but much shorter at the time). Antolin was already an older teen/young man probably around 18. Remember he was already into shady biz and offered to get his pretty madrina Alicia a job. He meets Lucia who is a little girl of about 7-9 and her big sis Maripaz who is a year or less younger than him, so also a young teen. He looks in on the Mondragons and sees a boy around his age (Saul) being rough with a little boy who was reading around Lucia's age (David). Maripaz is best friends with Judith, who visits the Curiel house as a young teen when Ivan first sees her. She and Maripaz are the same age.
So Antolin is older than all of them. And in the Mondragon family Saul is the oldest, followed by Judith, then David. It's not clear if Ivan and Saul are the same age of if one is slightly older than the other.
Vivi, you might be right about David and Judith. The only reason I assumed he was older because he was married to Maripaz who is the same age as Judith. I based my conclusion only on my ignorance that in the hispanic community the women always married an older man; I find it odd that Maripaz would marry someone 5 years her junior.
Among the entire gang, you're right that Antolin is the eldest of them all and we can assume that Saul is older than Judith because he was conceived from a previous marriage. Lucia is 5 years younger than Maripaz because she was 15 when they're at Guyamas for the pregnancy. Ivan might be a few weeks/months older than Maripaz because they were both 19 when she was preggers ... also didn't they kind of celebrate their birth around the same time (Ivan/Camilo and Maripaz)?
Myo-
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Among the entire gang, you're right that Antolin is the eldest of them all and we can assume that Saul is older than Judith because he was conceived from a previous marriage. Lucia is 5 years younger than Maripaz because she was 15 when they're at Guyamas for the pregnancy. Ivan might be a few weeks/months older than Maripaz because they were both 19 when she was preggers ... also didn't they kind of celebrate their birth around the same time (Ivan/Camilo and Maripaz)?
Myo-
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