Caray, Caray!

Gloria, I hope all is well. Here's a quick and dirty recap from memory, in no particular order. Please, guys, chime in with additions and corrections:

Part One:

Here’s what I remember of the episode, (in no particular order) --

The lying fools in Alamos proceed with the not so simple wedding of Camilo and Lucía. All the guests have been warned, per Lucía’s request, not to tell Iván and Tony.

Mondragóns present: two
Juan Jaime deems it politic to be there; David comes out of friendship for the couple.

Mondragóns absent: 2.
Judith is too heart-broken to go; and Ester’s absence is a deliberate snub.

Most vile moment at the wedding: Juan Jaime ogling Carolina, “la cieguita”

[Most vile moment outside the wedding: Juan Jaime spewing his verbal abuse in Judith’s direction, now that Saúl isn’t available as a target.]

Just before the civil ceremony, Carlota gives Lucía the hot potato pearls and Lucrezia sniffs crankily that SHE didn’t get any jewels from her mother on her wedding day. The gesture would have been more touching if the pearls had looked better with Lucía’s too frou frou dress and befeathered hair. Ni modo. To Camilo – who, by the way, cleans up nicely – she is and will forever be the most beautiful girl in the world.

We are spared the consumation of the wedding but treated to a sweet postcoital shot after the couple slip away for a brief luna de miel at the beach. Camilo is in heaven. Lucía is in ... purgatory? The main thing is that both are in bed. Without birds. Or petals.

Later we see Love amid the manure: Camilo is teaching his beloved to drive a tractor.

Juan Jaime handily defeats the opposition and wins another term as president of the Ag Assn. Even Carlota and Camilo hold their respective noses and raise a hand in his support. JJ’s new second, Antolín, sits silently at his side.

Arcelia gets to meet Carolina and the two take a liking to one another. Arcelia gives the young woman flowers and Carolina is pleased, delighting in their aroma and texture. She likes Arcelia’s voice, she tells her almost suegra. And Arcelia replies that Carolina is even prettier than Antolín said she was.

One of Lucía’s girlfriends from the university seems quite taken with David. Nice.

Carmen starts her English and computer studies.

El Gordo pays his respects to Saúl in the hospital in Hermosillo. Saúl manages to croak out: Antolín did this to me!
 

Part Two:

While in the City of Angels:

Mister Anthony continues to walk around the mansion – which, by the way, has all the warmth of a mausoleum – in dressing gown and bare legs, the ankles showing the impressions of recently removed socks.

Alex, only a few months ago a happy, well-adjusted kid in a harmonious home with a loving father and mother, settles into the material luxury and emotional penury his REAL father provides. He closes himself off to MP’s rejection but is disturbed by her open conflict with Iván. Iván does his best in the hours he can steal from work to be with his son. But mostly, Alex seems alone and solemn. It’s a growing sadness not even Bruno can cure.

Iván, unaware that metiche Tony has spread the word about his night of “Let’s pretend the DWMMB is Lucía”, again takes up his vow of abstinence. Too little, too late, buster.

On Tony’s advice, he increases MP’s credit card limit. This buys him nothing – she’ll only be fake-nice to Alex if Iván sleeps with her and sleeps with her every night. No deal.

So MP continues to ignore “his” son and she gets her satisfaction elsewhere – we get a glimpse of the DWMMB clawing at her friend’s husband. And Iván mopes around and moons over cellphone photos of Lucía (I guess even the wall sides with Lucía and that amorous relationship is kaput).

Incredibly, the Alamos folks manage to keep Lucía’s marriage from McGuire ears. He is still dreaming of winning her back while fearing she may have met someone else...

Time passes

The Galvan – Curiel extended family settles in at the ranch. I guess Camilo is cashing in the dividends of his years of living with cranky women because he seems to manage the Curiel matriarchs with aplomb.

Lucía’s belly pops out. Really. One scene, nada. Next scene, there it is.

Lucía is in pain ... it’s time ...

¡Miér...coles! My DVR stops here. The final moments, anyone?
 

NovelaMaven thanks so much!

Gloria- I hope you're ok.

The last moments had Lucia giving birth to her baby girl with everyone waiting in the hospital for the news. Camilo is over the moon about "their" daughter. Lucia looks much like she did after she and Camilo made love the first time-- obviously thinking of Ivan.

Meanwhile Ivan gets antsy to have SOME news of Lucia and feels it's time to make a visit to Mexico. In the previews it shows him preparing to return, and Camilo, with his wife and baby, none too pleased about it.
 

Gloria I hope you feel better soon!

Thank NM and Vivi for your recaps. I don't think I've seen a TN with the protagonists married to other people (or maybe it's been a while). I know someone mentioned it the other day but I hope Camilo doesn't die while I'm fairly confident MP will.
 

OK, I was SHOCKED Lucia actually started a sexual relationship with Camilo. I was sure they were going to drag out her needing "time" and never let it happen before Ivan's return. The writers have guts.

Now my issue with Lucia is that if she's going to commit herself to this relationship, then she needs to do it whole heartedly. Enough with the sadness and longing looks during the wedding, during kisses, and after making love. What a drag for Camilo.

This wasn't the first time Celia and Caro met, but it was their first formal meeting. The last time Celia was crying and begging for her help with Anto. This time they actually got to be social and they really like each other.

I was also grossed out by JJ leering at Caro. He also called her a little doll (muñequita). I'm starting to think he has a thing for meek, timid looking women (like Alicia, Esther and Caro). That's why he never married Lucrezia and never seemed to have lascivious thoughts about MP. If Anto even catches him looking too long at Caro though, he will kill JJ.

How in the heck did they keep Lucia and Camilo's marriage and baby on the way a secret from the McGuires for over 7 months?!
 

Thanks NM & Vivi for the recap.

Vivi, Lucia has never been happy that I can remember so I doubt that Camilo even notices.

Camilo has just taken over Ivan's life and seems very smug about it. I don't think I would want him for a friend.

JJ is just pond scum!

The last scenes with the wait in the hospital was a surprise. Everyone seemed happy for once and not glaring at each other.

Poor little Alex, he seems so sad. How can a mother mistreat her child. He is just a pawn in MP's sick game. Too bad she is in this TN to the bitter end. Has Lucia been in contact with Alex other than the when they first moved to DF?

Rosemary
 

Anyone notice that all three of the children in this tn are JJ's bio grandkids-- Alex, Lechita, and now Lucia's little girl (be it from her rapist Saul or Ivan)?
 

Ester snubbed the wedding because the Curiels sullied themselves by letting the low class Camilo marry Lucia. She told Judith they couldn't associate with the Curiels anymore.

When Lichita asked who Lucia was, I think Carmen told her Lucia was some kind of slut. If true, look who's talking. At least Lucia found somebody to be the baby daddy and marry her, unlike Carmen.

I wonder what's going to happen when Juliet finds out Maripaz has been sliming all over her husband?
 

Karen:
" I don't think I've seen a TN with the protagonists married to other people (or maybe it's been a while)."

In "El Clon", Lucas and Jade (played by Sandy E!) both married other (and arguably hotter) people and it took them 20 years to get back together. As luck would have it, neither had aged a day.

Vivi:
Thanks for filling in the ending -- I hope they repeat it tonight.

As for JJ and his progeny -- very Darwinian. Kind of like the Survival of the Meanest.

Anon207:
I could be wrong but I thought Carmen told Lichita that Lucía was just a girl, nothing special. (I can't recall the exact words.)
 

Well, I was surprised. I didn't think Lucia would actually go through with a real normal marriage to Camilo like that. And Camilo even managed to shake off his Black Bird of Doom for the wedding night.

JJ did so many things to deserve strangling, but I think his treatment of Judith was the worst. She really needs to get away from him. Esther isn't a much better. A "there, there" and a pat on the head hardly makes up for the abuse she allows her husband to inflict on their kids.

I'm surprised Ivan or Tony hasn't taken Alex back to Alamos for a visit, given how miserable he's been. What's the obstacle, other than plot contrivance? They have plenty of money and it isn't far; easy to do in a weekend.

I didn't think Carmen told Lichita that Lucia is a slut, just that she is some ordinary dame, nothing special. Camilo obviously disagrees.

Are there ever going to be fireworks when Ivan returns and finds out how Camilo has taken care of things. I can hardly wait.
 

Was Antolín at the wedding, I don't recall seeing him. If true, it's strange, it's his brother.

El viejo verde JJ better watch out, if Antolín catches him ogling Carolina there will be a lot of trouble.

Tks all for filling in for Gloria

Variopinta
 

Variopinta- Yes, Anto was there. You see him after JJ starts oggling Caro. She comes in with Gerry, then Anto approaches and he takes her on his arm.
 

I thought it was funny that ALL the men quickly assumed Lucia must be pregnant (because of the rushed wedding), and by Ivan-- Anto, JJ and Gerry! LOL!
 

Juliet will go on the warpath when she finds out about her husband's merry piece.

Most of what I would post has already been said, but the business with JJ ogling Carolina can't have enough said about it:

1. JJ is a predator. Now that his wife and daughter are starting to stand up to him he's scoping out a new victim. A blind woman is easy prey to someone like him.

2. He doesn't entirely trust Antolin although he knows nothing about Antolin's responsibility for Saul's accident. This would be the one-upmanship game he didn't play with David or Saul and couldn't play with Ivan.

I like that David has found somebody and that Lucia is talking him up to her. Here's hoping that he protects her from JJ.

Carmen has some fricking nerve talking the way she does about Lucia. Camilo will not like that one bit.

It looks like at least a year has passed before Ivan decides to go back. This will be a two-hour mess tonight. Yikes!
 

UA, thanks for the heads up about the two hour episode tonight.

Rosemary
 

You're welcome. I only found out this morning when I caught up with last night's episodes; I had company last night and they left at 11. After all the wine consumed last night I needed some recovery time.

I may need to take a few zzzz's this afternoon to prep for this.
 

Is it possible that the baby isn't Ivan's? EVERYONE assumes that it is, even people who have been told otherwise. I wonder if they will tell Ivan she's Camilo's, then Ivan will insist on paternity testing, and that will show that the baby is neither Camilo's nor Ivan's. Or maybe Carlota will at least wonder. Lucia would have a very hard time explaining this since she doesn't remember that experience and Carlota didn't discuss it with her.
 

The rape seems to have been forgotten, at least for now. Any chance that MP will also turn up pregnant, and there will be questions about that paternity too? They really need more PSAs on birth control, forget Herdez.

I get Lucia still pining over Ivan and what could have been, but Tony is right that Ivan lost the right to demand Lucia's love when he slept with MP. He blew it, big time, and now he must suffer. At least until the writers say so. Camillo is still a good guy so maybe they'll still give him a shot with Judith. If Ivan gets back there quickly enough and we don't have another big time jump, this could be possible before the baby gets too old.

And Judith needs to GET OUT. She has some education and can't stand her father, so why not go against his wishes and get a job? There must be some high class friends of her mothers who need a decorator. Luckily, JJ may be signing his own death warrant if he goes after Carolina. Jerk.
 

About the paternity of Lucía's baby --

I'm guessing Iván will demand a paternity test and the results will show that the baby's father is not Iván but a close blood relative. The only possible candidate would be Saúl. Carlota will have to fess up about what Cleto found in the front seat of the car on that terrible night.

Jaws will be clenched. Walls will be punched. Eyes will brim with tears. There won't be a lot of snotty, mucousy crying, fortunately, since only Carolina is a snot crier and ella no tiene vela en este entierro.
 

"Walls will be punched." Not Ivan's special wall, I hope! That's probably the most satisfying relationship either of them has ever had! I'd hate to see it turn abusive.
 

Whomever kept inserting "días después" into the show when months were going by (hi, Lucia's pregnancy belly--wait, where'd it go?) needs to be smacked.

As for J3 and Carolina: considering they made a point of his ogling her three times, I've got a really bad feeling about where that's going to go. The one and probably only good thing about it is that, if they are going there, it drives two stories--J3's eternal jerkdom, see also the late Alicia, and Antolin's dark side. (Calling it: if J3 touches her, Antolin will kill or maim him when he inevitably finds out.)

Lucia's hot friend calling David a "good man" out of nowhere seemed like a huge neon sign too, but at least that should lead to a happy ending for the poor guy.
 

As I remember Saul's accident, Indeed it was Antolin that Saul saw in the rear view mirror, but it was actually another little red car that got in Saul's way and Saul ended up smashing into a wall or something --setting the his car on fire while Antolin watched from a distance in his own red convertible.

On another note, I find Camilo to be a better kisser than Ivan, or at least there's seems to be a bit of chemistry between he and Lucia in the kissing scenes--more like feelings of warmth and not possession.
 

Anon- Yes indeed, Saul saw Anto. That's why he drove off like a bat out of Hell and had his accident. But no one MADE him drive recklessly and through an intersection, where he nearly hit that other car and spun out and smashed into a building. The fact that he was also drunk added to his lack of judgement and poor reflexes. So he has a case to have a beef with Anto, but he also has a lot of the blame. I am sure in his many months of burn and surgery recovery he has thought of all kinds of ways to get revenge on Anto.
 

Also, Ivan needs to get a handle on his drinking. At the beginning of the show when Ivan had lived with Tony for 10+ years in LA, Tony mentioned that Ivan rarely drank or partied. When Ivan first came back to Alamos he would wave off the alcohol.

But now in every other scene* Ivan is pouring himself some alcohol or clutching a liquor glass and he needs to stop. I realize being around MP is depressing & makes you want to drink but still.

Camilo "took care" of Lucia, all right. I'm just afraid that Camilo will have to die for Lucia & Ivan to get back together & for Ivan to get his land back.** Because I don't see Camilo saying "Oh you're back, here's Lucia. Thanks for letting me borrow her. Peace out." And I don't want Camilo to die but that crow lurking in Camilo's background (in the going to/from commercial spots) is not good.

I don't feel sorry for Lucia not being with Ivan b/c she had her chance to marry Ivan (b/f MP filed for custody) and didn't do it.

David needs to let Judith stay with him for a while until she can get herself together.

*If Ivan isn't drinking, he's sitting alone in a dark room crying.

**If Camilo dies, Lucia would inherit his third of El Socorro and you know she would give it back to Ivan.
 

I think Camilo's kisses look better than Iván's also. They all need to take lessons from Fernando Colunga.
Iván's look sloppy.

Variopinta
 

I don't think Camilo will die, he is basically a good guy. Iván got married, so why shouldn't Camilo have a shot at the woman he also loves. And he marries a woman pregnant from another man???, that's worth mucho points in my book. Plus being a hunk. In fact, he's looking better & better.

I do think Antolín will die, I can't get past the Romeo & Juliet thing a few episodes ago.

I believe MP will die in an accident, drunk of course.

The other bad guys, JJ, Lucrecia, Saul, El Gordo, who knows?

Variopinta
 

The civil wedding only leaves the door open for Camilo to survive.

This show is breaking with tradition, though, with Lucia being intimate with Camilo. Who knows what other telenovela rules the writers will dispense with? Maybe Camilo and Lucia will stick together and she'll fall in love with him for real.
 

Or maybe everyone except the kids will die, and the follow-up telenovela will be set up, with Alex, Lichita, and New Kidlet having grown up in the orphanage because all their relatives are either evil idiots or too beaten-down to save themselves.
 

We can't forget that in Querida Enemiga the heroine falls for and sticks with hunky Galan #2 and marries him at the end, after Galan #1 (Gabe Soto) slept with her skanky best friend the villainess. The same could happen here.
 

Ha, maybe this is a payback deal for QE. Then, GS had his galán status revoked, but this time, he pulls the same move on another schmuck! Bwahahahaha.
 

Thanks for the recap. I missed most of it. No please don't let Antolin leave, have anything happen to him, change, etc. He's the only one I watch on this TN.

Lucia/Ivan simply did it to themselves, I just can't seem to muster pity for them, which we're supposed to do in TN's? Just not happening here.

I am anticipating how Lucia remembers that she was raped? I can't wait for that to come to the forefront, and I have to believe it definitely was Saul. Will Lucia prosecute him or will she be a doormat as she's been with MP? I wonder what secret of the family would prevent her from going after Saul? Will Saul say MP is a tramp and thus keep Lucia quiet? It's always about MP.
 

I don't really see Lucrazia as an evil person. She's not likeable, she's rude & nasty, class concious and consumed by appearances. But the only really evil thing she's done on the show so far is order Ivan beat down.

You can say many things about Lucrazia but I think she does care about her children, unlike MP and JJ.
 

I think Lucrecia ONLY thinks about herself & what people will think. People like that are total hypocrites IMHO. Although not really evil, she is a nasty person. Iván could have been killed & indeed the hired thug was killed by Antolín, who didn't seem to have regrets about that at all, just that he wouldn't be blamed.

I don't like the way she treats her hijas o her madre o her ex Gerado o the servants. She is horny, maybe getting a little will make her a better person.

I doubt she will die but some punishment & groveling is in order.

Variopinta
 

HOW COULD TONY BE TO METICHE AND SNITCH OUT HIS OWN SON TO CARLOTA???
WHAT IS IVAN GOING TO SAY WHEN HE FINDS THAT OUT...
 

I agree with Variopinta. Lucrazia's evil is her enabling of Maripaz, which has caused all the family pain since she became pregnant. Covering up the hit-and-run, caving to the blackmailer, and not caring about which of her daughters married Ivan because of his nuevo dinero has made for Lucia's current misery.

No wonder Carlota covered up the rape. While I was ready to rip her a new one for that because Lucia should know, I suspect she was concerned about Lucrazia's reaction.
 

more on Lucrecia
I seem to remember when Iván was attacked at her beckoning, she asked if Iván was dead, hoping that he was. Now that he has money, the money grubbing bitch wants him in her family for her own benefit.

Variopinta
 

So many great comments. All I could think last night was that Ivan in his selfishness is about to disrupt the life of still another child. If he had listened to Lucia and let Alex stay with Gerardo and Carolina, living nearby and having a lesser role in Alex's life, the child would have been better off. This is fiction, I know!

Following novela logic, I just don't see our star-crossed duo getting together without their respective spouses going the way of the black crow! But maybe we'll be surprised with some more modern attitudes. Bad for plot that the chemistry between Ivan and MP and Lucia and Carmelo seems to be better than that between Ivan and Lucia!

Tony and Carlota have certainly turned out to be metiches of the first order. Too much truth and too much deception all at once.

Judith, Antolin, David -- more interesting stories and characters.

It is unbelievable that Ivan would know nothing in LA about Lucia and Carmelo in this era of cell phones and easy travel.
 

No nooooo.... they can't dispense with my guilty pleasure, Antolin! No, telenovela writers, please spare Antolin!

I am liking Camilo and I agree with everyone else, he has so much more chemistry than Ivan with Lucia. I am warming to Camilo more and more in this novela and I hope that the black crows don't seal his fate.

That there was a civil ceremony is encouraging, maybe Camilo has a chance. I wouldn't even mind if he ended up with Lucia.

Thank you for this wonderful recap. I am now fortifying myself for tonight's 2-hour experience.
 

Cell phones? What about Facebook? How has her pregnancy pics not ben posted on Facebook by someone (Carmen maybe)?
 

I too was shocked that Lucia and Camilo had sex so quickly. Oh, and that no one cares that Ivan doesn't know he has a daughter.
 

I'm still reeling from the "Dias Despues", instant-pregnancy-belly jump. I actually had to rewind twice to see if I missed something. Apparently "dias" can mean anything from 2 to 210.

Antolin... I'm rooting for you too!! What a doll.

And Berenice is hot for David? What about cute little receptionist girl he took to the wedding? Will there be a triangle for David? He has been (disappointingly) such a tiny part of the plot so far...

Totally agree about Camilo & Lucia's chemistry--pleeease let him come out of this okay! Ivan, well, he's going to have to find someone else to take to the chicken coop.

AA