Saturday, November 19, 2011
La Fuerza del Destino #75 Fri 11/18/11 Showdown At The Alamos Corral or Guess Who's Coming To Dinner
The gang’s all there again…er… minus Maripaz, as we return to snoring Alamos (which I have to admit seems as much a losing battle for all involved, plurally, as the The Alamo ever was singularly). The two buff BFF’s get ready to butt heads over Lucia.
Ivan faces off with Camilo and asks him why he did it. Cam says, hey, you decided what you wanted to do with your life and the two of them then did also. What’s the big deal, anyway? “—You married a woman who doesn’t love you.” “—What do you know! You have no right to talk to me about my private life!” Van screams back that his life is interconnected with theirs, so that gives him plenty of right! Cam says not now it isn’t. And, so don’t come looking for Lucia. “--I forbid it!” “--Oh yeah? Why?” (Duh, it’s obvious, isn’t it?) Instead of answering, Cam throws the truck keys back in Ivan’s face and storms away.
When Ive gets home, he admits to Anthony that he ran into Cam outside the office, and agrees he was looking for a showdown. He saw the truck there parked outside. Yep, and they did discuss Lucia. “—He forbade me seeing her.” Tony thinks Cam was right to do it. Ivan asks why, was he afraid that something might resurface between the two of them? Perhaps, says Tony. Well, says Van, sooner or later she’ll have to see him. Tony warns him to stay out of their lives. They’re married now and have a child. Leave it alone!
At El Socorro, aka Sucker’s Ranch, Lucia’s not to keen on having Carmen be her nanny. Carlota talks her into it though, by convincing her it’s one good way to finish her degree finally and on the other hand, Cam asked specifically to allow his sister to take the job. Cam drives up in a taxi right then. He tells Lucia that he returned the truck to McGuire & Son and will be buying a new truck. Ok. So why not use the car? Because it’s useless in the fields. Ok, but so why the grumpy ‘tude? Because Ivan is back and he had the nerve to gripe at Cam about marrying her! He admits then that he warned Van to stay the heck away from her and not to mess with him. Lucia says well, let him come see her! Cam asks WHY? She says to clear up things. That’s WHY! If he married Maripaz and left and then got divorced, well that’s his problem now! Cam is squinty-eyed-impactado when he hears she knows Ive got divorced. So why didn’t she bother to tell him? Cuz, she says, every time she brings up Ivan he gets “this way.” There’s no reason for it. “--OH? He threw you up at me and told me to my face that you aren’t in love with me!” Lucia softens her tone to therapist level and says he’ll realize that’s not so when he has a chance to speak with her. Cam doesn’t think so and worries that she’ll only end up giving him high hopes [illusiones].
Lucia tells Cam to get real. (I’d say he’s being very realistic.) They’re married and have a daughter now. “—Yeah, but it’s HIS daughter,” says Cam. That’s why it’s so important that they have a kid of their own now, he explains. He feels like she only wants him as a substitute daddy for the other guy’s kid. Lucia insists that it’s just too soon to have another child (man, I can relate to that one!) and besides, Cam promised he’d love and take care of Perlita as if she were his own! Cam gets mad then because she’s been using an IUD. Lucia screams back that hey, women aren’t exactly kiddie factories (Good one! 10 points Team Lucia!) They have other things they’d like to do with their lives, too, like finishing a thesis. There’s plenty of time to have theirown kid—LATER! Cam starts accusing her of purposely waiting and hoping for Ivan to return to her. She tells him she’s in no mood for his jealous fits and walks back out to Carly and the baby. He comes out and hops into the taxi, heading back into town.
Lucia explains to Carly that Ivan’s back in Alamos and it’s got Cam in sh!t-fits. He’s making her life miserable, accusing her of still thinking about getting back with Ivan and he goes off every time something has anything even remotely to do with Ivan. Her worry now is that because of this, once they have another child he’d begin to ignore and eventually disown [desconocer] Perlita. She refuses to allow that. Lucia admits to herself--and to Carly--that it probably would be best if Ivan went back to L.A. and never returned to Alamos.
Back in town, Ivan goes into the office and greets the secretarial pool which he now sees includes Judith. He then heads into the meeting with David and Tony. David explains that with the crop situation the way it is, he’d set up appointments to speak with the neighboring ag associations and to suggest that they provide [surtir] them with their produce. Tony and Van agree to leave him run the company while they divvy up the appointments with the other associations. Ivan, though, wants to also know how the local farmers are doing since the hurricane. Davy has to admit that his father screwed them over with the insurance policies he set up, so that they won’t get anywhere near full coverage for natural disasters like this one. Meandragon apparently managed to ensure that he’d get full coverage, though, and probably managed to cover it up somehow so that he wouldn’t lose his position as president. Ive and Tony look at each other like “so what else is new?”
Benito brings Alex over to Gerardo’s for a quick visit. Alex tells Gerry and Carolina that Merry Piece and Ivan are officially splitsville and that he doesn’t miss her in the least. FF>>
Saul tells Gordo that he’s planning to kill two birds with one stone [tiro= shot/throw] and blame the kidnapping? (and murder) on Antolin. Gordo argues that Anto’s known for knifing, not guns. He has one but doesn’t use it much. Saul orders Gordy to steal Antolin’s gun from his house “sometime when he’s gone—you keep watch, meathead!” Why Gordy and not him? --If you have to ask a cripple why not him go hobbling in to snatch a gun, Gordy, then you’ve got to be mentally retarded yourself, duh--which, is pretty much Saul’s implied meaning when he answers….
Saul calls Carmen who tells him she’s still waiting to find out if she’s got the job as nanny for her S-I-L. Saul yells at her to get moving on it already! She hangs up and asks Arcelia, who tells her she doesn’t know and just to keep her fingers crossed that Doña Carlota agrees to it.
After his visit at Gerry’s is over, Alex whines and wheedles till he gets Benito to take him over to see Lucia at the ranch. (What? Like Ben’s really going to say no to his boss’s long lost and newly found grandson?) Ben makes it a point to advise Alex against telling anybody else, especially Lucia, about his daddy’s personal business. (Uh, yeah. Let’s see how well that works with the chipmunk factor.)
In the meantime, Celia calls Cam, who’s now sporting a humongous new truck he’s buying on time payments [de plazo= in installments], to ask if Carmen’s supposed to nanny for Lucia or not. Lucia gives the ok. Carmen secretly calls Saul back to give him the news.
When Saul finds out that Carmen got the job as Lucia’s nanny, he tells his ex to keep him up to date on the daily schedule and overall gossip around the place. She says she wants to be paid for keeping him up on what’s what at the rancho. No problemo, he promises her.
Back at Sucker’s Rancho, Ivan’s van drives up—shocker for Carly and Lucia! But only Ben and Alex hop out. As soon as Alex sees Perlita he considers her his little sister. The Chipmunk immediately runs off at the mouth, telling Lucia and Carlota that Ivan got divorced and wants to marry Lucia now. All the adults are muy, but muy uncomfortable—like there’s just been a loud expelling of methane.
At the same time, Gordy and Saul see Anto leaving the house. The Gargantuan One waddles inside as fast as he can to start looking for Anto’s pistol.
Judith, meanwhile, lets Davy know that Mama moved out of the house and in with their aunt, and is going to be getting a divorce from Daddy. Great, says Davy. ‘Bout time. Oh, whines Judi, it will be so lonely there without her. (Time to get used to being away from Mami and Papi, don’t ya think? Anyway, that’s what telephones and the post office are for.)
Meanwhile, Gordy comes racing back out of Anto’s place holding a sock. It’s got his .22 revolver in it. Hopefully that will keep him from smudging out Anto’s fingerprints.
Juan Jaime is trying to deal with having just been abandoned by Wife #2, his once meek and submissive Esther. Judi walks in and he wants to know if she knew about this and why she didn’t let him know. Happened too quickly, she admits honestly, and it’s Mama’s decision, anyway. So she stayed out of it raced off to work. Anyway, what could she say about it? Nothing, agrees her papi--but only, he snipes, since since Judi’s got nothing in her head to begin with. Ugh. Instead of slapping the old fart a good one across the choppers, Judi frowns and makes for her bedroom. FF >>
That night, Alex tells Van about his big day visiting all the relatives—including the ones that should be relatives. He mentions that he saw his future baby sister at Lucia’s. Ive has to explain to him that Lucia is now married to Cam. (No mention of him running off at the mouth despite what Benito warned.)
Speaking of Cam, he’s on the phone to Dave and says he’s got business so will head over to the office since Tony and Ivan are going to be on the road today visiting the neighboring associations. Outside on the street, Lucia is coming to see Ivan and knocks. Ben answers and goes for Ivan since she doesn’t want to enter the compound. Unfortunately, Cam is arriving just then and walking up the street. He sees her and begins yelling at her about it. “--So, what in the Hell are you doing here?” She says she’s there to explain things. He grabs her arm just as Ivan opens up. Ivan yells over at them. “--Since when have you been so rude to women, Bro.” “--She’s my wife so stay out of it!” “—So, do you treat my godmother or your sister the same, too? Just when did you change?” Cam snaps back. “--Since you came back! You shouldn’t have!”
Lucia breaks in and says she’s got nothing to defend herself for and she’s there because Alex came by and told her that Ivan wanted to marry her. Cam is WTH impactado and turns to face off with Van again. “--You told Alex that?” “—Yeah, because I didn’t know you two had gotten married because everybody hid it from me! Don’t worry, I’ve already explained that to my son.” Then it’s been settled, says Cam and he grabs Lucia’s arm and starts pulling her along. Van tells him to hold on and says he asked him to look out for her and to help her for him. Cam says he did, and they fell in love and got married, so what’s the problem? Lucia rolls her eyes and looks totally disgusted from the odiferous scent of urine encompassing one and all about now.
Ivan looks over at Lucia while he tells Cam that he still loved Lucia and still does. Of course, this only infuriates Cam even more. He pushes Ivan hard in the chest and knocks him back a few steps. “—How dare you! You’re talking about my wife!” Ive says it’s not exactly news, now is it? Yeah, she’s his wife now, but he’d better not make her unhappy! Van struts back inside the compound. Cam turns around and angrily asks if he’s making Lucia unhappy. (I guess you’d call that question a damned fine example of ‘blind jealousy’.) Lucia doesn’t hesitate. “--Yes!!!” She turns on her heel and walks off down the street, back the way she came.
Ivan tells Tony about what just happened and Tony tells him whether Ive likes it or not, it’s not his business—they’re married now and if there’s any kind of abuse in the relationship it’s up to Lucia to put a stop to it, not him! But, whines Ivan, he still loves her! Tony says he should have told him they were married. So now he knows, but the way Van’s taken it he suggests it would be better for Ivan to return to L.A. and let him finish up their business in Alamos. Van refuses to leave without first having a chance to speak with Lucia alone. He walks into his bedroom and slams the door. Tony calls Carly and says they have to talk ASAP.
Carly sees Cam walk in, looking like he’s still on the warpath. He goes into his and Lucia’s room. He starts to put his arms around her and to try apologizing, but Lucia’s not having any. “—Let me go!” She breaks away. He wonders why she went; she says she already explained; he asks if she wanted to be with Ivan instead? She says no, but they can’t go on like this! He asks if she wants a divorce? She says no. They’ve got to come to some agreement, though. She can’t leave, he says, cuz they have a child. Well, a child isn’t the answer to a faulty marriage, says Lucia. They have another argument over him wanting a child of their own, and him taking issue with Perla’s not being “his own flesh and blood.” Lucia says that either he takes on the responsibility for Perlita as her father, or she will resort to something drastic. Cam sneers then, go ahead! She can just give the kid to Ivan!! He immediately realizes what he just said and races over to beg forgiveness. He admits he’s frightened of losing Lucia. She’s his whole life! (But isn’t Perlita supposed to be also? That isn’t quite clear here in Viewerville.) She wants to know where the old Cam went—the loving, kind, and self-assured Cam she used to know. She wants that Cam back! He hugs her close and asks how does he do that.
JJ visits with Lucrecia in another part of the ranch house. He tells her that Esther’s left him. Yes, he probably deserved being called an ogre. He wanted things his way. Men are like that. Does he really miss Esther, asks Lucrazia? Well, yeah, you don’t live so long with a person—nearly thirty years--and not get used to them. He wants to avoid the gossip of a divorce, tho’. The two start flirting.
Outside Sucker’s Ranch, Carmen starts flirting with Cam’s right-hand man and pumping him for info about Lucrazia's schedule and all her comings and goings. They see Tony and Benito drive up.
Inside the ranch house again, Lucrazia starts gossiping about Ivan’s being back in town and how he and Lucia are probably still very interested in each other. Bad news, especially since he’s divorced Merry Piece, she adds. JJ is pleased to hear it and says it wouldn’t be a bad idea if Van came back to marry Lucia. (This guy is always scheming!) MP was a real piece of work, truth be told, but he never has cared for Camilo Galvan, and now the upstart’s got all the ranchers turned against him. Lucrazy smiles and says he pretty much deserved what he got and more. She’s wise to his tricks. He tries to deny it and blame it all on a recent mistake the secretary must have made. Lucrazia laughs it off. Tell it to somebody else, cuz she knows him better. Lucrazy then smiles at her charming, impish JJ. She says she likes men like him, strong-willed and daring [con arrojo]. JJ admits he always been attracted to Lucrazy because he likes women with (a mouth the size of the Rio Grande and) brains. (Well, we can all vouch for the size of her mouth, at least.) Some slap and tickle ensues. FF>>
Tony comes inside to the living room and greets Carly. They get down to business re the business with Ivan and Cam. Carly admits Cam’s only gotten rough with Lucia recently, all because Lucia doesn’t want another child right now. Ivan’s return to Alamos hasn’t helped things. It’s only made them worse! He doesn’t mistreat her, but they’re definitely arguing almost all the time now. He’s turned really jealous and is constantly giving her the third degree about everything! Carly begs Tony not to say a word to Ivan about Perlita being his daughter. Don’t even think it, says Tony.
Ivan and Alex share a little father/son time. When the cook brings Alex’s orange-ade, he asks the cook if she knows when Cam and Lucia’s baby was born. She fakes it, plays ignorant, and then races back off into the kitchen to “take care of her burning beans”. He doesn’t get an answer and goes in to see if David knows anything. David squirms out of it also.
Ivan finds Judith in reception and asks her if she knows when Perla was born. Jud is a bit uncomfortable, but admits it seemed the baby came prematurely. What was strange though, was that the baby didn’t spend any time in an incubator. She was brought home only a couple of days after being born. If no incubator, Ive tells her, then that would mean Lucia was two-timing him with Cam; but he doesn’t believe that would even be an option here. Judi ends up admitting that the baby was born only six months after they got married and that means she was already pregnant when she got married.
Meanwhile, Tony must have left because now Carly’s giving Lucia grief for racing over to Ivan’s this morning. What was she thinking??? Why couldn’t she just have called him to explain things? Why did she have to speak to him in person? Lucia admits she went to see how she’d feel about Ivan once he was standing in front of her again. Bad idea, says Carly. She still cares about Van. Lucia denies it. Don’t lie to me, says Carly. She knows better. Lucia insists she didn’t have time to even think about that because Cam showed up and then all Hell broke loose. Just then her phone rings. It’s Ivan.
Ivan apologizes for the scene he made this morning. She tells him no biggy. It wasn’t his fault. He says he’s got two questions for her: 1. How’s her marriage going with Cam. Oh, just fine, she lies. Didn’t seem like it to me, he tells her, but hey, if you say so…. 2. Why did you come by to see me, anyway? Lucia says it was to tell him—no, to beg him—to return to L.A. and leave well enough alone. Cuz, otherwise, her life is going to become Hell! You don’t mean that, really, he says. If you value anything in this life, she yells at him, LEAVE! CLICK!
Tony tells Van he’s going to have a sit-down with Meandragon about the screw-job he gave his Association members. He wants Van there at the meeting with him despite the fact Van has no use for the man. Van says fine, but what bugs him right now is Lucia’s baby. She was preggers when she got married and the question is who is the real baby-daddy! Tony says it’s Cam’s of course. Naw, say’s Ive. She’d have been cheating on him. Tony says yeah, she was, so forget it already. Ivan says no, because he doesn’t buy it. “--They got married only six weeks after we left! That baby is MINE!!” Even if she is, says Tony, the baby’s registered as Cam’s child. He’s the legal father and Lucia and he are married. “--They’ve formed a family and are happy. (You only wish, old man!) Let it be! Let them live their life in peace!” “—And what about me, Dad? Don’t I have a right to live my life in peace or to be happy???”
Cam shows up at his mothers just as Carmen heads out to spend time supposedly with a few of her friends from work. He’s such a grouch that Celia guesses he’s had problems with Lucia again.
Around the corner, Carmen meets up with Saul as planned. They race away–well, she does—to avoid Cam walking out and catching them together.
Cam starts yelling about how Ivan’s back in town and that Lucia went to see Ivan behind his back that morning. Celia tells him to calm down already cuz he’s making himself sick. No, she is, he screams back. She’s got any excuse that comes up to go out now and it’ll be to see him! Celia reasons that Lucia’s too good a person to cheat on him like that. He tells her that after living with her all this time he realizes that the heart can’t be commanded. She may try being faithful to him, but her heart, her thoughts are all with Ivan. True, says Celia. She might be dying inside, but she won’t ever cheat on you. But, says Cam, she can’t love me either. “--It’s the only thing I’ve ever wanted—and she can’t. And now he’s returned a free man. He’s divorced, did you know? He thinks because of that he’s got the right to approach her! It doesn’t matter a whit that she’s my wife!”
Celia says they’re nearly brothers, he’d never go after Lucia so spitefully. "--He was like my brother, but it’s payback time. I kept quiet and let him take the fall for what Antolin did, killing that guy back then! I let him risk his life fleeing somewhere away from here. He was my friend; what can I hope for now after that, Mama?" Anto walks in on the two of them and guesses the conversation was a pretty dark one.
Carmen, meanwhile, is discussin’ bidness with Saul over beer and taco chips. She tells Saul that Lucia leaves once a week to do the shopping [ir al mandado/hacer lo mandado]. Anything else he needs to know, he’ll have to give her a chance to find out. If nothing else, Gloria is very loose-lipped.
Back at Celia’s, Cam tells Anto that the blood rushed to his head when he saw Ivan and Lucia together. He couldn’t think straight. He doesn’t know what will happen with them now or if he’ll be able to handle it or not. Anto says to calm down first and control his jealousy. If he can’t deal with it then just leave her. Cam thinks Antolin is nuts, not to mention about as callous and cold-hearted as a corncob. He’ll NEVER leave Lucia—and besides, they have a child together! Yeah, a kid, says Anto, but is it yours or Ivan’s?? Cam jumps out of his chair in a flash and grabs Anto by the collar. Anto apologizes, and adds that he can’t exactly ignore the fact that the two of them got married in a rush [a las carreras = racing/ in a hurry]. “—Fine! Alright, then I’ll tell you! Yeah, it’s Ivan’s kid, alright?” Anto’s mouth drops in utter disbelief with the realization that his brother would love a woman enough to take responsibility for another man’s kid. (Yeah, that’s the old Cam that Lucia says has gone missing.)
Back at Sucker’s Ranch, Lucrazia and Mama are discussing Clan Meandragon’s crack-up. Serves him right, says Carly. Too bad about Judith and David, or poor Saul—is he even paying the boy’s expenses or for his therapy? Dunno, says Lucre-zia. He didn’t mention him. Cam walks in and politely asks after Lucia then says goodnight. Lucrazia notes how down-in-the-mouth he is. Well, we all are like that after what fell from the sky the other day, she adds. Carly says he’s got other problems. Oh? Yeah, Ivan is back now. Lucrazia wonders if he came back for Lucia. Carly explains that she went looking for him instead and that Cam caught them! What can you do if the two of them are still in love with each other? Lu-lu refuses to allow another divorce in their family! (She may have to eat that bit of crow, though.) Cleto appears at the door and says look who’s come home! In bounces our own supposedly traveling, tonsil-hockeying tartlet, Maripaz! “--¡Hola, Familia!” As if things weren’t bad enough already…
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I'll be out for a while but I'll lead off with this question: Did Maripaz really go to Europe? If so, why isn't she still there?
Ivan is no idiot regarding Perla; he wasted no time investigating the possibility that she's his. Despite the fact that we know he and Lucia will be together at the end he will still lose a friend. Camilo is now fully over into the dark side and I don't think his mother will be able to pull him back.
Ivan is no idiot regarding Perla; he wasted no time investigating the possibility that she's his. Despite the fact that we know he and Lucia will be together at the end he will still lose a friend. Camilo is now fully over into the dark side and I don't think his mother will be able to pull him back.
I found it refreshing that Judit just straight up told the truth.
I'm totally squicked by Lucrazy and JJ. ew.
BTW, I've been behind all week, but I got all caught up last night. Many thanks to all the recappers this week. Thanks to your detailed work, I knew when to FF>>.
I'm totally squicked by Lucrazy and JJ. ew.
BTW, I've been behind all week, but I got all caught up last night. Many thanks to all the recappers this week. Thanks to your detailed work, I knew when to FF>>.
what is up with Saul and his scar faced friend uP to? Kidnap Lucia's baby?
So then something will happen to where the baby needs blood,and walla they will need blood from the father,Camilo,no Ivan.Thats where that is heading????Also since Camilo vows for Lucia and wont leave her,then perhaps Camilo will die off?
So then something will happen to where the baby needs blood,and walla they will need blood from the father,Camilo,no Ivan.Thats where that is heading????Also since Camilo vows for Lucia and wont leave her,then perhaps Camilo will die off?
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: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 9:24:00 AM EST
: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 9:24:00 AM EST
Jardinera- Looking forward to the recap later.
I was SO annoyed with everyone last night keeping the truth about Perla from ivan. Did they learn nothing from the lies about Alex?!
A man has a right to know he has a child! Whatever drama/issues the adults have about their relationships with each other (the Camilo-Lucia-Ivan triangle), should have nothing to do with the realtionship between parent and child. It was cowardice and resentment on the part of Lucia to not tell him in the first place when she found out she was pregnant. And it was opportunism on the part of Camilo who saw an "in" to Lucia finally. That's not Ivan's fault and it's not Perla's fault. He has a right to know of her existence and to have a relationship with her. Thank you Judith for being the only truth-teller in this bunch.
(I am not going to bring up the other option of who could be Perla's bio-dad, since nobody has any inkling of it.)
I was SO annoyed with everyone last night keeping the truth about Perla from ivan. Did they learn nothing from the lies about Alex?!
A man has a right to know he has a child! Whatever drama/issues the adults have about their relationships with each other (the Camilo-Lucia-Ivan triangle), should have nothing to do with the realtionship between parent and child. It was cowardice and resentment on the part of Lucia to not tell him in the first place when she found out she was pregnant. And it was opportunism on the part of Camilo who saw an "in" to Lucia finally. That's not Ivan's fault and it's not Perla's fault. He has a right to know of her existence and to have a relationship with her. Thank you Judith for being the only truth-teller in this bunch.
(I am not going to bring up the other option of who could be Perla's bio-dad, since nobody has any inkling of it.)
Anon- The plan still seems to be to kidnap Lucrezia, and frame Antolin for it. They wouldn't need a gun to steal a baby from its cradle.
Ivan shouldn't even want anything to do with Lucia after this.
She kept the existence of Alex away from him and is now doing the same thing with Perla.
I'm just mad Camilo will have to be sacrificed for Lucia's cowardice.
She kept the existence of Alex away from him and is now doing the same thing with Perla.
I'm just mad Camilo will have to be sacrificed for Lucia's cowardice.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 11:06:00 AM EST
: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 11:06:00 AM EST
And what's up with TONY trying to get Ivan to believe Perla is Camilo's?
Didn't he see the anguish he went through with Alex? And he wants Ivan to go through that again with Perla?
All David had do is tell Ivan the same thing Judith told him, that Lucia/Camilo got married a month and a half after Ivan left and Perla was born 6 months after the wedding and was not premature, and let Ivan make his own conclusions from that.
But I guess David was like "My name is Bennett and I'm not in it."
And everyone saw through Lucia's flimsy excuse that she went to Ivan's house "clear up things and tell him to stay away." Ivan was not coming near Lucia. I'm glad Carlota told Lucrazia that Lucia was the chaser, not Ivan.
Again, if Saul/Gordo plan on kidnapping Lucrazia they WILL be paying the Curiels $$$ to take her back.
Didn't he see the anguish he went through with Alex? And he wants Ivan to go through that again with Perla?
All David had do is tell Ivan the same thing Judith told him, that Lucia/Camilo got married a month and a half after Ivan left and Perla was born 6 months after the wedding and was not premature, and let Ivan make his own conclusions from that.
But I guess David was like "My name is Bennett and I'm not in it."
And everyone saw through Lucia's flimsy excuse that she went to Ivan's house "clear up things and tell him to stay away." Ivan was not coming near Lucia. I'm glad Carlota told Lucrazia that Lucia was the chaser, not Ivan.
Again, if Saul/Gordo plan on kidnapping Lucrazia they WILL be paying the Curiels $$$ to take her back.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 11:12:00 AM EST
: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 11:12:00 AM EST
Can't wait for your recap Jardinera. And thanks for giving us the space to grumble about this madness.
UA - I don't think MP went to Europe. Since she living to make others miserable, she had to return home. And yes Cam has completely gone over to the dark side. I think he'll become more and more crazy (with jealousy) as the TN closes. He really needs to give this let's have our own baby a rest. Is Perla even 6 months old? Ick!
I'm concern about poor Celia. She's been portrayed as a good woman (and her husband was too) so what is up with her kids? Though a criminal, Antolin has never tried to play the saint role. In my mind he's the family's best hope but an anvil of doom may be waiting for him in the future. We know about Cam and Carmen is simply digging her own grave (though she probably won't die) with her antics with Saul.
Vivi - ITA completely about Ivan and everyone else. I was vexed with most who tried to AGAIN keep this knowledge from him - especially Tony. Tony knows Ivan's temper and while Ivan will cause trouble once he knows the truth, he'll be vicious when he finds out they have all done this to him again. And yeah Judith for being the only honest one is the bunch.
Anon207 - yes Ivan should truly kick Lucia to the curb for this. If she had had the spine to tell him while he was still married, he would understand the need for the cover up (but not Cam). David has been good and knowing the potential show down with his father, he definitely opted for the Bennett role as he likes both Ivan and Cam.
UA - I don't think MP went to Europe. Since she living to make others miserable, she had to return home. And yes Cam has completely gone over to the dark side. I think he'll become more and more crazy (with jealousy) as the TN closes. He really needs to give this let's have our own baby a rest. Is Perla even 6 months old? Ick!
I'm concern about poor Celia. She's been portrayed as a good woman (and her husband was too) so what is up with her kids? Though a criminal, Antolin has never tried to play the saint role. In my mind he's the family's best hope but an anvil of doom may be waiting for him in the future. We know about Cam and Carmen is simply digging her own grave (though she probably won't die) with her antics with Saul.
Vivi - ITA completely about Ivan and everyone else. I was vexed with most who tried to AGAIN keep this knowledge from him - especially Tony. Tony knows Ivan's temper and while Ivan will cause trouble once he knows the truth, he'll be vicious when he finds out they have all done this to him again. And yeah Judith for being the only honest one is the bunch.
Anon207 - yes Ivan should truly kick Lucia to the curb for this. If she had had the spine to tell him while he was still married, he would understand the need for the cover up (but not Cam). David has been good and knowing the potential show down with his father, he definitely opted for the Bennett role as he likes both Ivan and Cam.
Perla's age:
Lucia/Camilo got married a month and a half after Ivan left. Since she was already 5-6 weeks pregnant she was probably just about 3 months pregnant when she married.
Perla was born 6 months later.
Ivan & Maripaz were married a year, according to the divorce.
So I'm figuring Perla is about 6 months old. Ivan's doing the math. Unless Lucia was cheating on him, Perla could NOT be Camilo's child at the age she is. Especially since Judith told Ivan the baby was not premature/in incubator.
For Perla to be Camilo's child she should be 3 months or less or premature.
Ivan's not going to rest until he finds out the truth on Perla. Did he rest with Alex? No, & he won't with Perla, either.
Sad that both Lomeli sisters chose to hide their children with Ivan to keep up their own appearances.
Verification word: berood. That's all MP, Saul, JJ and Carmen know how to do.
Lucia/Camilo got married a month and a half after Ivan left. Since she was already 5-6 weeks pregnant she was probably just about 3 months pregnant when she married.
Perla was born 6 months later.
Ivan & Maripaz were married a year, according to the divorce.
So I'm figuring Perla is about 6 months old. Ivan's doing the math. Unless Lucia was cheating on him, Perla could NOT be Camilo's child at the age she is. Especially since Judith told Ivan the baby was not premature/in incubator.
For Perla to be Camilo's child she should be 3 months or less or premature.
Ivan's not going to rest until he finds out the truth on Perla. Did he rest with Alex? No, & he won't with Perla, either.
Sad that both Lomeli sisters chose to hide their children with Ivan to keep up their own appearances.
Verification word: berood. That's all MP, Saul, JJ and Carmen know how to do.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 1:25:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 1:25:00 PM EST
Vivi, don't tell me you are thinking Gordo could be the father, horrors. I don't even think Lucia was raped, & I can't even figure out why they even did that so maybe she was. They sure haven't made much out of that event.
I don't know who would pay Lucrecia's ransom, Lucrecia who???? Just joking. But not us that's for sure.
Variopinta
I don't know who would pay Lucrecia's ransom, Lucrecia who???? Just joking. But not us that's for sure.
Variopinta
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 2:54:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 2:54:00 PM EST
Variopinta- That's even more shudder-inducing, but I think it's Saul. And now that he's about to put himself right in the middle of creating chaos in Lucia's family, I am sure the rape thing will be coming to the surface soon. This tn is too short for them to have thrown that storyline in there for no reason. (It's not TDA. Anyone remember Maria Magdalena and the random lady carpenter?) I am certain the rape will come back to haunt Lucia.
Thank you, Jardinera. Very thorough and fun recap.
Only David seems to be moving forward in a positive way. Everyone else seems to be up to no good or have an anvil (or black bird) hanging over their heads.
Perfect set up for the ultimas semanas. I hope that they deliver!
I tend to think that Saul is the baby's father, too. This should make for some interesting DNA testing as others have said.
I'm starting to feel sorry for Lucia. She's showing a little gumption. Not good casting, IMHO, finally. In the hands of someone a bit more spirited, the sparks might have been flying in many directions by now.
Only David seems to be moving forward in a positive way. Everyone else seems to be up to no good or have an anvil (or black bird) hanging over their heads.
Perfect set up for the ultimas semanas. I hope that they deliver!
I tend to think that Saul is the baby's father, too. This should make for some interesting DNA testing as others have said.
I'm starting to feel sorry for Lucia. She's showing a little gumption. Not good casting, IMHO, finally. In the hands of someone a bit more spirited, the sparks might have been flying in many directions by now.
Good job Jardinera. I was really looking forward to the recap on this one.
To Vivi in DC: I have to say it was a revelation to me that Lucia might have kept the truth from Ivan out of resentment. Everything else (family honor, single mother, etc) seemed more plausible. Maybe Lucia is finally showing some passive-aggressive behavior.
To me, Lucia seemed a bit more bold in this episode. The fact that she attempted to visit Ivan by herself, that she admitted Camilo made her miserable to his face, and that she was using an IUD (I couldn't translate the birth control issue) made it more apparent to me that she is getting mighty fed up and acting out in a passive-aggressive way. An IUD is a pretty aggressive form of birth control that has to be inserted and extracted by an OB-GYN. It can last for 5 or 10 years. Whoa! One can still get pregnant but it's hard to stay pregnant with an inserted IUD. I think one also has to wait for a few months after birth to insert it. Damn Lucia. She was planning ahead.
That Camilo really pounded the nails into his coffin when he shouted at Lucia that she should just turn over Perla to Ivan. Even Mr. Vitriol Quazi was aghast. Camilo really verbally confirmed everything Lucia was thinking about the reason for his desperate need for a child. He looked positively crazy in this episode -- crying tears of rage.
Mari Paz is going to lose it when she discovers that Perla is Ivan's baby. I was thinking Lucrezia was going to be kidnapped but now I can see MP attempting to mastermind some crazy scheme with Saul to make that baby disappear for good. MP wants to be the only one who can manipulate Ivan's heart by using Alex.
Vitriol Quazi
To Vivi in DC: I have to say it was a revelation to me that Lucia might have kept the truth from Ivan out of resentment. Everything else (family honor, single mother, etc) seemed more plausible. Maybe Lucia is finally showing some passive-aggressive behavior.
To me, Lucia seemed a bit more bold in this episode. The fact that she attempted to visit Ivan by herself, that she admitted Camilo made her miserable to his face, and that she was using an IUD (I couldn't translate the birth control issue) made it more apparent to me that she is getting mighty fed up and acting out in a passive-aggressive way. An IUD is a pretty aggressive form of birth control that has to be inserted and extracted by an OB-GYN. It can last for 5 or 10 years. Whoa! One can still get pregnant but it's hard to stay pregnant with an inserted IUD. I think one also has to wait for a few months after birth to insert it. Damn Lucia. She was planning ahead.
That Camilo really pounded the nails into his coffin when he shouted at Lucia that she should just turn over Perla to Ivan. Even Mr. Vitriol Quazi was aghast. Camilo really verbally confirmed everything Lucia was thinking about the reason for his desperate need for a child. He looked positively crazy in this episode -- crying tears of rage.
Mari Paz is going to lose it when she discovers that Perla is Ivan's baby. I was thinking Lucrezia was going to be kidnapped but now I can see MP attempting to mastermind some crazy scheme with Saul to make that baby disappear for good. MP wants to be the only one who can manipulate Ivan's heart by using Alex.
Vitriol Quazi
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 5:42:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 5:42:00 PM EST
Oh dear me Vivi, I thought Saul was already a suspect & thought you didn't want to gross us out, but I just grossed myself out. Novelas wouldn't do that, WOULD they???.
Variopinta
Variopinta
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 5:42:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 5:42:00 PM EST
Marvelous recap Jardinera! Love how you captured all those arguments/confrontations. Camilo really needs to take a chill pill. He was indeed scary last night in his jealous rage. He almost looked like the Hulk. I don't think his mother or brother will be able to talk sense into him.
I think Carmen was asking about Lucrezia's comings and goings, not Lucia's. She told the ranch hand it was to know when to stay out of Lucrezia's way, since she's such a grouch.
I was hoping David would offer to let Judith move in with him. Perhaps one of the other secretaries has a spare room? I was disappointed when she turned down a date with the hottie engineer to go home and "take care" of JJ. She needs to cut ties with the old coot like her brother did.
I think Carmen was asking about Lucrezia's comings and goings, not Lucia's. She told the ranch hand it was to know when to stay out of Lucrezia's way, since she's such a grouch.
I was hoping David would offer to let Judith move in with him. Perhaps one of the other secretaries has a spare room? I was disappointed when she turned down a date with the hottie engineer to go home and "take care" of JJ. She needs to cut ties with the old coot like her brother did.
This show's just enough of a hot mess than I wouldn't completely rule Saul being Perla's father out (assuming they don't swerve us all and have Gordo be the presumed rapist), but I don't see it happening:
a. Saul already has one child out of wedlock, Lichita. And more importantly
b. Ivan and Lucia, as per novela protagonist tradition, are/were required to have a kid together by the end of the show. (Mission accomplished.)
Hmm...should we start the doomsday clock for Camilo and Antolin (and possibly Maripaz) now, or next week?
a. Saul already has one child out of wedlock, Lichita. And more importantly
b. Ivan and Lucia, as per novela protagonist tradition, are/were required to have a kid together by the end of the show. (Mission accomplished.)
Hmm...should we start the doomsday clock for Camilo and Antolin (and possibly Maripaz) now, or next week?
The writers simply cannot get rid of both Anto and Camilo. That would be too much grief for Celia and so undeserved. If I have to choose one to bite the dust it would be Carmen or Camilo.
If there's anyone who does deserves to lose one or two kids, it's JJ and Lucrezia. I'd be happy to see Saul or MP kick the bucket.
If there's anyone who does deserves to lose one or two kids, it's JJ and Lucrezia. I'd be happy to see Saul or MP kick the bucket.
Thank you Jardinera for your recap. So much dialogue in this one.
I wish they'd kidnap MP. But no, they won't.
They don't seem to be big into DNA testing in TNs. I wonder if they will be in this one.
I wish they'd kidnap MP. But no, they won't.
They don't seem to be big into DNA testing in TNs. I wonder if they will be in this one.
And I don't really get how kidnapping Lucia or the baby will be getting back at Antolin, even if Cam is his brother.
We all know it had to be Saul if Lucia was raped.
We all know it had to be Saul if Lucia was raped.
Thanks for your recap Jardinera. You covered the conversations well, and it reminded me of how horrible everyone involved in the secret is acting.
Thanks Anon @ 1:25pm for the info on Perla.
Thanks Anon @ 1:25pm for the info on Perla.
Saul wants revenge on Antolin over the car accident. I doubt that he knows anything about Antolin being the blackmailer about MP's hit-and-run so if he kidnaps Lucrazia and successfully framed Antolin in the process he would be stumbling into the perfect crime.
Kidnapping Lucrazia would mean extorting a ransom from Carlota, JJ, or both. Which would allow Saul to get even with his father at the same time.
However, I still think that Lucia is the intended victim.
BTW my college buddy's children were born an average of 17 months apart. His ex changed doctors after #3 because the first one kept telling her not to get pregnant so quickly. Her PPD was pretty bad.
Kidnapping Lucrazia would mean extorting a ransom from Carlota, JJ, or both. Which would allow Saul to get even with his father at the same time.
However, I still think that Lucia is the intended victim.
BTW my college buddy's children were born an average of 17 months apart. His ex changed doctors after #3 because the first one kept telling her not to get pregnant so quickly. Her PPD was pretty bad.
Post Partum Depression?
Someone close to Antolin (or maybe Anto himself?) will be biting the dust and their corneas will go to Carolina. That's my prediction.
Anto being the donor would be the most dramatic...but he's never had the black bird o' doom hanging around him.
Someone close to Antolin (or maybe Anto himself?) will be biting the dust and their corneas will go to Carolina. That's my prediction.
Anto being the donor would be the most dramatic...but he's never had the black bird o' doom hanging around him.
Wow! I'd like to have Merry Piece end up being the donor--or Saul. He can't tho' because he's got to take care of Lichita. MP is the least humane of any of them, so I vote for her to be the one.
Post-Partum Depression.
Merry Piece needs to be disfigured, paraplegic, or both and in prison at the end for the hit-and-run. That's a fate worse than death for her.
How ironic is it that as I write this I am watching Moonstruck and it's at the airport scene?
Merry Piece needs to be disfigured, paraplegic, or both and in prison at the end for the hit-and-run. That's a fate worse than death for her.
How ironic is it that as I write this I am watching Moonstruck and it's at the airport scene?
Jardinera, thanks for the recap.
I wish someone in this TN were happy. Most have crossed over to the dark side and I don't see some of them coming back into the light.
Just wait until Tony gets wind of MP being back in town. He is going to be really upset with the news. Did MP cash in her ticket to Europe to make the trip to Alamos?
Rosemary
I wish someone in this TN were happy. Most have crossed over to the dark side and I don't see some of them coming back into the light.
Just wait until Tony gets wind of MP being back in town. He is going to be really upset with the news. Did MP cash in her ticket to Europe to make the trip to Alamos?
Rosemary
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 9:38:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 9:38:00 PM EST
Post partum depression? What about all her pre-partum depression? The thing is, I don't ever remember seeing her being particularly happy. She must have had PMS before Ivan came back the first time and IBS while they were dating. She always looked slightly constipated.
Rosemary is right; I don't think there has been any happy times in this TN for people to look forward to returning to.
Rosemary is right; I don't think there has been any happy times in this TN for people to look forward to returning to.
I'm new here and I'm so glad I discovered this site. I learned Spanish in order to help my daughter with her homework, she's in a bilingual program, and I watch the telenovelas in order to maintain my understanding. And there are often times when I'm not sure I understand what is going on so to be able to read in English what is happening is a godsend. So thank you so much.
My take on what will happen is that Camillo will be the one who dies, he is, after all, a bit of an "extra", Lucia won't divorce him but she still loves Ivan, and he'll probably die doing something heroic and altruistic,(maybe saving Perla from the bad guys after Saul's plan goes awry). And he can then donate his corneas to Carolina.
And cute engeniero's name I think is Carlos.
Anyway, thanks so much for creating this opportunity for me to read the recaps. They are really helpful, especially when they change the times of the programs and I don't know about it.
Cathy
My take on what will happen is that Camillo will be the one who dies, he is, after all, a bit of an "extra", Lucia won't divorce him but she still loves Ivan, and he'll probably die doing something heroic and altruistic,(maybe saving Perla from the bad guys after Saul's plan goes awry). And he can then donate his corneas to Carolina.
And cute engeniero's name I think is Carlos.
Anyway, thanks so much for creating this opportunity for me to read the recaps. They are really helpful, especially when they change the times of the programs and I don't know about it.
Cathy
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 20, 2011 at 11:29:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 20, 2011 at 11:29:00 AM EST
Cathy: Welcome! A lot of us have glommed onto this site for similar reasons--to maintain our "sense" of understanding a foreign tongue and a few of the ol' braincells as we pass into semi-senility. LOL!
bienvenida Cathy
more than likely, your hija will be helping you very soon.
Variopinta
more than likely, your hija will be helping you very soon.
Variopinta
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 20, 2011 at 6:09:00 PM EST
: Sunday, November 20, 2011 at 6:09:00 PM EST
Could Camilo possibly have revenge-purchased a bigger, shinier truck? Compensating much? Isn't he supposed to be in dire financial straits? Lucia looked pretty disgusted when he drove up in it.
He is turning quite abusive and I'm glad Lucia finally told him directly that yes, he is making her unhappy, and that she got herself some effective birth control. He is trying to force her to love him and, SHOCK, it is having the opposite effect. I loved when she told him women aren't baby factories.
Why on earth did Judith opt to "take care" of JJ rather than go out with the charming ingeniero? The only thing she can really do for her father is tell him not to drink, and he just tells her to shut up and drinks anyway. She needs to move out ASAP.
JJ and Lucrazy together are nasty. If they ever decide to hook up, I hope we get fair warning so I can skip dinner and fast-forward.
Jardinera, thanks for the recap!
He is turning quite abusive and I'm glad Lucia finally told him directly that yes, he is making her unhappy, and that she got herself some effective birth control. He is trying to force her to love him and, SHOCK, it is having the opposite effect. I loved when she told him women aren't baby factories.
Why on earth did Judith opt to "take care" of JJ rather than go out with the charming ingeniero? The only thing she can really do for her father is tell him not to drink, and he just tells her to shut up and drinks anyway. She needs to move out ASAP.
JJ and Lucrazy together are nasty. If they ever decide to hook up, I hope we get fair warning so I can skip dinner and fast-forward.
Jardinera, thanks for the recap!
When Judith realizes that she is getting a double share of the abuse she will fight back. David will encourage her to. That's when she'll go out with Carlos.
BTW, my TV Guide online listings indicate another double header on Wednesday (presumably because Thursday it is pre-empted). Plan your holiday prep accordingly!
BTW, my TV Guide online listings indicate another double header on Wednesday (presumably because Thursday it is pre-empted). Plan your holiday prep accordingly!
Nice to see everybody here again! Las últimas semanas. It's been a decent ride, but nothing outstanding since the opening. I will say it's refreshing and satisfying to see upsetting things resolved instead of left to linger for 4 months.
I think it's been mentioned before, but does anyone know what's coming up next? I notice CME is also in it's ultimas semanas. I sort of miss recapping....trying to plan.
Getting down to the wire here and all the pieces are coming together.
My DVR cut off so I didn't see MP return to Alamos. I actually don't think she will attempt to use Alex against Ivan anymore. She really doesn't have much power left to do anything like that at this point. I think she'll just annoy Lucia some, or maybe Lucia will finally get back at her somehow (would LOVE to see her punch her). I just can't see how MP could possibly cause more harm. If anything, maybe they're setting her up for possible redemption? Doesn't she have the crow of death too, though?
I am surprised that Ivan hasn't shown anger when it comes to Lucia possibly covering up yet another child from him. It seems that his hot headedness has definitely cooled. I loved how calm and collected he was in front of the American judge. It's like he and Camilo switched roles. Camilo used to be nice and calm but his insecurities have turned him into a hot mess. I like the idea of him going by doing something noble, like saving Perla.
Though vague, I am pretty sure Gordo and Saul were initially discussing Lucrezia's moves. That's why Carmen was interested in the fact that their lands border each other. Because they can have their trysts without anyone finding out. I thought Saul wanted to get pictures of Lucrezia dn JJ together to extort them too? Anyway, I think the original target was Lucrezia but with Carmen coming in as a nanny, I think maybe they will switch to Perla. Though then how could they frame Antolin? Why would Antolin want to harm his "niece"?
Judith needs to GROW up. She's almost 30 for god's sake! Get out from under your parents' skirt/pants and go live your life. I like her enough, but the little girl act is getting ridiculous.
Looking forward to seeing how this all pans out.
My DVR cut off so I didn't see MP return to Alamos. I actually don't think she will attempt to use Alex against Ivan anymore. She really doesn't have much power left to do anything like that at this point. I think she'll just annoy Lucia some, or maybe Lucia will finally get back at her somehow (would LOVE to see her punch her). I just can't see how MP could possibly cause more harm. If anything, maybe they're setting her up for possible redemption? Doesn't she have the crow of death too, though?
I am surprised that Ivan hasn't shown anger when it comes to Lucia possibly covering up yet another child from him. It seems that his hot headedness has definitely cooled. I loved how calm and collected he was in front of the American judge. It's like he and Camilo switched roles. Camilo used to be nice and calm but his insecurities have turned him into a hot mess. I like the idea of him going by doing something noble, like saving Perla.
Though vague, I am pretty sure Gordo and Saul were initially discussing Lucrezia's moves. That's why Carmen was interested in the fact that their lands border each other. Because they can have their trysts without anyone finding out. I thought Saul wanted to get pictures of Lucrezia dn JJ together to extort them too? Anyway, I think the original target was Lucrezia but with Carmen coming in as a nanny, I think maybe they will switch to Perla. Though then how could they frame Antolin? Why would Antolin want to harm his "niece"?
Judith needs to GROW up. She's almost 30 for god's sake! Get out from under your parents' skirt/pants and go live your life. I like her enough, but the little girl act is getting ridiculous.
Looking forward to seeing how this all pans out.
She's not almost 30, she IS 30. A year has passed and both she and MP are now out of their 20s.
I hope Carlos lays a big fat kiss on her and snaps her into womanhood, like now!
I hope Carlos lays a big fat kiss on her and snaps her into womanhood, like now!
Redemption for Maripaz? No way in infierno will that happen:
-- She wanted to abort Alex, failing which she would have given him up for adoption without a backward glance.
-- She didn't shed a single tear when he disappeared.
-- She married David for $$$, then ran out when he had ED on their wedding night, perpetuating the gay rumors about him.
-- She threatened to reveal the family secret about Carlota.
-- She took Tony's money and the paid apartment... then behaved like a slut.
-- She killed someone in a hit-and-run.
-- She stole Carlota's jewelry.
-- She lied in the custody hearing.
-- She emotionally abused Alex.
-- She committed adultery.
Now she talks about Europe and probably didn't go. The only reason she would pass that up and go home would be to cause trouble for Lucia and -- now that he's there -- Ivan.
She will talk about how the US ruling won't apply to anything she does in Mexico, etc... At any rate I hope I get to cover her downfall.
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-- She wanted to abort Alex, failing which she would have given him up for adoption without a backward glance.
-- She didn't shed a single tear when he disappeared.
-- She married David for $$$, then ran out when he had ED on their wedding night, perpetuating the gay rumors about him.
-- She threatened to reveal the family secret about Carlota.
-- She took Tony's money and the paid apartment... then behaved like a slut.
-- She killed someone in a hit-and-run.
-- She stole Carlota's jewelry.
-- She lied in the custody hearing.
-- She emotionally abused Alex.
-- She committed adultery.
Now she talks about Europe and probably didn't go. The only reason she would pass that up and go home would be to cause trouble for Lucia and -- now that he's there -- Ivan.
She will talk about how the US ruling won't apply to anything she does in Mexico, etc... At any rate I hope I get to cover her downfall.
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