Saturday, November 26, 2011
La Fuerza del Destino #80 Fri 11/25/11 With Morning Comes Mourning
(So Viewerville has cornered the market on Kleenex for this episodio. Without those happy pills before viewing, nobody would have been able to make it through the first half.) Lucrecia, Carlota, Lucia and Camilo wait patiently in the little hospital lobby till the doctor brings Carolina back to them. They get the news from Carolina and the doctor that Gerardo didn’t have the will to live and thus has left them all for the “más allá”, aka, The Great Beyond. Tears aplenty. Maripaz walks in a moment later after getting her beauty sleep and allows a tearful eyeful for herself with Mama. Lucia calls Ivan to tell him the news, while Cam tries getting hold of Antolin, for Caro’s sake, but can’t get him to pick up.
Ivan tells Anthony, who suggests it’s time that Alex learns what death is about and to take him with them to the funeral home [funeraria = funeral parlor, undertaker’s].
Lucia calls home and finds out that Carmen has flown the coup. She’s supposed to be taking care of Perlita, but just up and left. Gloria’s with the baby now and Cleto and another ranch hand are outside with their shotguns [escopeta] protecting against any intruders.
Lucia asks Lucrazia what they should do about Carolina, but selfish Lucre begs off saying she doesn’t have the presence of mind to think of such things now. Cam suggests getting Arcelia to go take care of her. Lucia thanks Cam and gives him a peck on the cheek. It’s the first time she’s touched him in days/weeks and he nearly swoons.
Tony tells Ivan it’s fine if he asks Caro to spend a few days there at the compound. It will do both Alex and her some good to be with each other for a while, he thinks. Iv mentions that Caro and Anto are apparently an item these days. Alex walks in and asks for news about his gramps. They tell Alex who begins immediately crying over the loss of his abuelo. He wants to see him at the wake.
That night, Cam calls home trying to find Antolin and tells Arcelia about Gerry’s dying. She tells him that the news scared Carmen so much that she came home. Came calls her reckless and irresponsible to just leave like that. (Viewerville agrees.) Anyway, Celia doesn’t really know where Anto went or when he’s due in.
Carmen walks into the kitchen with Lichita and Celia gives her grief for leaving the ranch like she did, and says that now Cam’s furious with her for it. Celia tells her to get her stuff and get back to El Socorro ASAPP and to take Lichita with her. She’s staying with Carolina tonight because Don Gerardo kicked the proverbial bucket and the whole town, practically, will be at the funeral home for the wake tonight.
Carmen calls Saul as soon as she finds out about Gerry and tells him the old guy croaked. If the police come after her she’s going to tell them about the whole friggin’ mess, cuz she sure isn’t to blame for what happened!! Click!! Saul knows that he is, tho’. Before he can think about what to do next, Juan Jaime walks in and says it’s all over the radio about Gerry’s death after being attacked. He orders Saul to come with him to the wake to represent the Meandragons. Saul tries to beg off, but JJ won’t allow it. Knuckle-head!
First come the Meandragons with JJ looking too sexy for his shades, which he apparently wears at night. The McGuires show up right after. Ivan and Lucia exchange tearful looks. Alex and Caro weep and we see Gerry “sleeping with the angels.” Tony gives his sympathies to Lucrazy who, in between sobs, agrees he was a good man but that she realized it too late.
The next morning, Comandante Aguilar tells Cam that they found a revolver with Antolin’s fingerprints on it near the shooting. Cam tries explaining that Anto left early in the mornong for Mexico City and he doubts Anto could have had anything to do with it. Besides, Anto is engaged to Don Gerry’s S-I-L and was on good terms with him. The gun could have been stolen or Anto could have sold it for all they know. Maybe his phone battery was dead, but he couldn’t reach him. The Comandante says it could be that he ran away when he found out the kidnapping failed and Gerry died.
Inside, Carmen tells Lucia how sorry she is over Gerardo’s death, and who knows, maybe she’s actually sincere. Either way, she’s definitely upset when she sees the police are questioning Camilo.
Ivan, meanwhile, has brought Carolina and Celia back to Gerry’s house. Ivan excuses the need to do so and begins to ask whether the house belonged to Gerry or the bank. He apparently bought it outright. Is there any will? Caro has no idea. He offers Caro to live with them at their compound, and Alex begs her to come back with them, for Alex’s sake if nothing else. Caro is grateful and apologizes for the rude way she treated him early on. Ivan forgives her and says that’s all in the past. Anto calls home and finds out from Ivan about Gerry’s murder and the attempted kidnapping of Lucrazia. He tells Caro he’s driving back to Alamos ASAP.
Anto calls Cam next and finds out that the bullet they dug out of Gerry was the same caliber as his old revolver and that the police have the gun with his prints on it and are blaming him. Antolin insists he hasn’t used that old gun in years!
Back at Gerry’s, Caro insists on staying at the house til Anto returns to town. Celia stays with her and Caro tells Ivan that she really doesn’t want to stay with them and Alex right now. They put her to bed for a nap.
At Sucker’s Ranch again, Cam tells Lucia that he’s not going to be able to sleep a wink till Antolin gets back and proves he wasn’t involved. Unfortunately, his gun was used and so he’s implicated no matter what. They walk into the dining room for breakfast with the others and Cam tells them what the police told him. Lucrazy goes wild and claims his good-for-nothing brother had to have been the cause! Meanwhile, Maripaz knows the plot and realizes what’s up. Her eyes go wide as she listens to Cam tell her mama it couldn’t have been Antolin because the gun was stolen and he went off on a trip to Mexico City early that morning. Lulu doesn’t buy it and tells him he and MP both know his brother has a record/yellow sheet [fichito] a mile long!! He’s a criminal who knew she had money and wanted to kidnap her to get some of it!!
Carly’s antennae shoot up and she wants to know how Lucrazia would know Antolin’s a criminal type? She just does and that’s all, screams Lucrazia! That’s what they get for getting involved with people of that type and class! She tells Cam she’s glad the police have his fingerprints on the pistol and she hopes he rots in jail for it! Lulu races out of the dining room in a huff. Cam apologizes to Carly and says he doesn’t know for sure but he’s certain it couldn’t have been his brother. Merry Piece keeps her mouth shut and acts like the innocent bystander she probably wishes she was about now.
In town, Saul meets up with Gordy at the dive they usually drink at. They figure the cops have got the prints from the gun and are looking high and low for Antolin. Gordy is sure that if Anto finds out he’s being sought be the police he’ll stay in the D.F. and far from Alamos.
However, Anto gets stopped by the cops on the lookout for his car and gets arrested for kidnapping and homicide. He’s ay, ¡caramba! impactado when he hears the charges.
Meanwhile, Cam tries comforting Lucia in her bedroom. She says she could have handled it better if it were a deadly disease, but such a sudden death leaves nobody prepared. They are both worried now for Anto, and neither one believes he’d be capable of doing such a thing. Cam will stick around the house today and help her with Perlita.
Ivan agrees with Tony’s suggestion to take Alex to see Lucia so the boy can commiserate with other family members. Benito will come along in case there are other kidnappers about.
The comandante has Antolin brought in ro his office and tells him what we all know, that Anto has a pretty bad reputation around town, especially for dealing drugs and pimping prostitutes. Anto says that’s all rumors and he’s got no proof of any of that, not to mention, there’s no rap sheet of any sort on him—ahh, something Viewerville didn’t know. He’s never been arrested for anything till now. There’s a gun with his prints on it that was used in a murder and an attempted kidnapping, the comandante reminds him. “--Hey, that gun isn't exclusively Army issue and I bought it four years ago. I never used it.” The comandante reminds him he had no permit and Anto repeats that he said he never used it. Anyway, he explains to Aguilar, he was nowhere around cuz he’d already headed off to Mexico City. Aguilar suggests he could have fled right after the bungled attempt and shooting Gerardo. Anto asks if Aguilar really believes he’d be stupid enough to leave his gun behind and alleges that somebody tried to incriminate him. The gun was stolen from him. What time did the crime occur? Aguilar says the crime took place around 11 A.M., quite a coinkydink, wouldn’t you say? Antolin wants his one call.
Anto calls and explains what’s happened to Cam, who says he’s coming down there right away. Anto tells him not a word to Caro or Mama. He tells Lucia what’s up and to stay mum. She says she’ll start looking for a lawyer. She calls Ivan and says come over immediately because she has to speak to him. (Yes, we all know it could have been handled over the phone, but that lacks spicy drama and would be a snoozapalooza.)
Cam gets 10 minutes with Anto in the cellblock. Anto swears it has to have been one of his many enemies. Who? Mini-Meandragon and his sidekick, that’s who. Why? Well, admits Anto, he gave Gordy a hell of a beating and he was, in a way, sort of responsible for Saul’s car accident. Cara de incredulity for Camilo.
Ivan arrives with Alex. Hugs all around. Alex plays reluctantly with Lichita while Ivan goes inside to the living room with Lucia. He tells her he knows that Antolin was always a reckless kind of guy, but to plan a kidnapping and to kill an innocent man—never! Lucia wants him to suggest a lawyer. “—And you really think Camilo will accept my advice???” Cam walks in on them. “--I am already looking for a good lawyer! I don’t need your help, Ivan!” Lucia leaves the two alone to argue it out. He growls at Ivan for being alone with his wife while he’s out of the house. Ivan says this discussion had nothing to do with her or him, only his godmother, Arcelia. Cam figures things will work themselves out because his brother is innocent. Sure, says Iv, but you’ve got to prove it!
Lucia explains what’s happening to Carmen. Big Bro Anto is in jail cuz they found his gun at the scene of the crime and the bullet matches up with the caliber, yada, yada, yada. Big cara de Ruh-roh! for crazy, vindictive, gold-digging Carmen.
Iv and Cam agree that Antolin couldn’t have done the deed and that more than likely it was Saul and Gordy looking to get even with his big bro. Cam agrees to use Zavaleta, the best criminalist in town, but only if he pays the guy rather than Ivan. The two of them figure that once they look into Antolin’s movements during the day they’ll prove he couldn’t have been involved. (Viewerville is screaming for Anto to remember to tell them all about the car breaking down and the mechanic he bought the fan-belt from.) “--Well, somebody had to see him on the highway, or in the parking lot or something!” “--I know, but I also know my brother had nothing to do with this!” “—I agree, buddy!”
Cam gets huffy and now punches Ivan in the chest. “--Really? You think you’re still my friend?” Look, says Iv, this has nothing to do with you and me and Lucia. This is all about Antolin. Cam keeps punching him with his pointer finger and demanding to know what it does have to do with. Ivan tells him that has to do with reality. “--So, according to Iv what is reality? That she prefers you over me?“ Iv purposely ignores him and avoids the beat down. “—I’m going for the attorney.”
Cam goes in to Lucia’s room and screams at her for bringing Ivan around. “--He only wants to take you away from me!” “--But he’s very influential, and that’s why I called him for you!” He doesn’t need his influence! Heck, just like all women! Just like his first wife who left him because he lost his job and became a Mr. Nobody again! Well, he’s soon going to have all the power and influence he needs cuz he’s going to be the new Ag Association president. Lucia screams back that if she leaves him it would be because of his petty jealousies. She’s sick of this so get out! Cam grabs her arm and raises his hand to strike her. “—You can’t run me off! I’m your husband and I have rights!” “—Oh, yeah? And so what? Go on then, hit me!” Cam realizes what he’s just done and goes into their old bedroom. He whispers to nobody in particular, “—Forgive me, my Lucia! I am going crazy!”
Zavaleta has a meeting with Ivan and Tony and suggests another lawyer, his associate Lic. Lara, who specializes in these types of cases. Iv swears that though Antolin might be a bit shady in his dealings with the criminal element in Alamos, he respects and protects his family and close family friends above all else. He’d never try something like this with any of them.
The two lawyers attempt to speak with Antolin at the jail. Anto starts to tell them his movements during the morning but gets stopped when Caro’s name comes up. He warns them that neither she nor his mother are to know that he’s being accused of this. Zabaleta says they’ll eventually find out. “—I said not a word to Carolina nor to my mother!”
Meandragon makes it over to Lucre-zia’s to check on how she’s handling Gerry’s passing, and to no doubt offer a little “consolation” if need be….. Lucrazia tells JJ that it was Antolin, the man who’s working for him at the Ag Association who’s been charged with her ex-hubby’s death. The police found a gun with his fingerprints all over it at the scene of the crime. Juan Jaime remembers then that Anto tried wheedling money from him to pay for Caro’s eye operation. And to think he backed his brother for president of the organization, too! Forget him, says Lulu! Those people are all alike—all criminals!
Cam calls the McGuires and Tony answers the phone. He tells Tony to give Ivan the message that he doesn’t need his help for his brother and to stop messing in his business. Tony tells Cam to tone it down a bit. It’s not like he and his brother are the bellybutton of the world or some such; Ivan’s not doing this for him, anyway. He’s doing it for his godmother; so stop looking a gift horse in the mouth—or, literally, don’t go spitting into the soup Tony’s given him to eat!
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Hi Jardinera,
Dying to read your recap. I am sentimental, but not a cryer as a rule. But I have to say this particular episode had me in tears. That Alex is amazing. He won "hands down". His crying was so real. Gerardo was really loved. His death brought tears to everyone.
I wonder if it's common practice for the hired help to wear mourning.
I can't believe that Antolin and Carmen will get off scot free. I think she should at least have probation (if they have it in Mexico). And even though I like Anto, I think he should have charges brought against him and pay for his crime.
It would be nice if Caro were to move in to Tony's house. What generous people.
Camilo is really losing it. I see no good things happening to him.
Ann-NYC
Dying to read your recap. I am sentimental, but not a cryer as a rule. But I have to say this particular episode had me in tears. That Alex is amazing. He won "hands down". His crying was so real. Gerardo was really loved. His death brought tears to everyone.
I wonder if it's common practice for the hired help to wear mourning.
I can't believe that Antolin and Carmen will get off scot free. I think she should at least have probation (if they have it in Mexico). And even though I like Anto, I think he should have charges brought against him and pay for his crime.
It would be nice if Caro were to move in to Tony's house. What generous people.
Camilo is really losing it. I see no good things happening to him.
Ann-NYC
Permalink posted by 
: Saturday, November 26, 2011 at 2:10:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 26, 2011 at 2:10:00 PM EST
Good job, Jardinera.
Within our view, Antolin has been guilty of:
-- Killing one of Ivan's attackers 12 years ago
-- Stealing part or most of the money Gerry gave him for Ivan
-- Blackmailing the Curiels out of 5 million pesos when Maripaz did the hit and run
-- Causing Saul's accident.
He will have to pay for at least the last three.
Carmen needs to talk to the police now. I'm not sure she can make anyone believe she had no idea what Saul was up to. God, she was an idiot for this.
Within our view, Antolin has been guilty of:
-- Killing one of Ivan's attackers 12 years ago
-- Stealing part or most of the money Gerry gave him for Ivan
-- Blackmailing the Curiels out of 5 million pesos when Maripaz did the hit and run
-- Causing Saul's accident.
He will have to pay for at least the last three.
Carmen needs to talk to the police now. I'm not sure she can make anyone believe she had no idea what Saul was up to. God, she was an idiot for this.
Jardinera- The recap was worth the wait. Thank you for giving us so much detail of this emotional episode.
Why do these tn men insist on not telling their women or their mamas when they get thrown in jail? The same things is happening in CME right now. What's even more funny is that the SAME actor is playing the police chief in both LFDD and CME right now. I had to do a double take on Wed when he appeared in both shows on the same night. LOL!
I really hated Camilo by the end of the episode. He was trying really hard to goad Ivan into a fight. I was really proud of Ivan for keeping his cool and not taking the bait. I will excuse him and Lucia meeting in person since he was bringing Alex over anyway. And they never spoke about them, as they told Camilo. There's more important stuff to worry about right now, and considering that it concerns HIS brother, you would think Camilo would be able to understand this too. Jerk!
I really hope Anto remembers the mechanic and Judith who saw him. It still might be hard to prove since the time he left town was so close to the time of the crime.
Why do these tn men insist on not telling their women or their mamas when they get thrown in jail? The same things is happening in CME right now. What's even more funny is that the SAME actor is playing the police chief in both LFDD and CME right now. I had to do a double take on Wed when he appeared in both shows on the same night. LOL!
I really hated Camilo by the end of the episode. He was trying really hard to goad Ivan into a fight. I was really proud of Ivan for keeping his cool and not taking the bait. I will excuse him and Lucia meeting in person since he was bringing Alex over anyway. And they never spoke about them, as they told Camilo. There's more important stuff to worry about right now, and considering that it concerns HIS brother, you would think Camilo would be able to understand this too. Jerk!
I really hope Anto remembers the mechanic and Judith who saw him. It still might be hard to prove since the time he left town was so close to the time of the crime.
The writers have forced Camilo into a box to be the emotional nutcase bad guy, and I have to say that Gabe Soto is delivering big time! He manages a to make an "off" situation seem credible. Kudos to the actor. I'm very impressed!!!
Back to reading the recap. Thanks!
Audrey
Back to reading the recap. Thanks!
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 26, 2011 at 7:05:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 26, 2011 at 7:05:00 PM EST
I don't think Antolín caused Saul's accident. Saul was drunk, guilty, and panicked.
And I don't really consider the Curiel blackmail an answerable crime either. The Curiels were on the same level (actually worse) covering up a homicide under the influence. Antolin's crime was not turning in Maripaz as the hit-n-run criminal especially since he had evidence. And he did stop to render aid even! This is one of those fuzzy did the end justify the means situations since he made the criminals pay only because he needed money for Carolina's operation.
The other thing was stealing Ivan's money and lying to Ivan about what happened when he was attacked and getting him to leave the country. Killing in defense of Ivan was not a crime.
Audrey
And I don't really consider the Curiel blackmail an answerable crime either. The Curiels were on the same level (actually worse) covering up a homicide under the influence. Antolin's crime was not turning in Maripaz as the hit-n-run criminal especially since he had evidence. And he did stop to render aid even! This is one of those fuzzy did the end justify the means situations since he made the criminals pay only because he needed money for Carolina's operation.
The other thing was stealing Ivan's money and lying to Ivan about what happened when he was attacked and getting him to leave the country. Killing in defense of Ivan was not a crime.
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 26, 2011 at 7:18:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 26, 2011 at 7:18:00 PM EST
Thanks so much, Jardinera. Great juicy read.
Now this is more like it. Ivan is so much hotter when he's pissed off, yet not losing his temper. Great acting in the scene where Camilo kept poking him and trying to provoke a big fight and Ivan refused to react. Really contrasted the way Camilo is increasingly unhinged.
I'm getting a bit annoyed at Tony. He keeps telling Ivan to stay away from Lucia and Perlita even though they're both pretty sure Perlita is his daughter. Just forget about her and move on. Doesn't he know Ivan AT ALL by now, especially after the whole reclaiming of Alex debacle?! Ivan is NOT going to give up any child of his. Then, when Alex asked about Gerardo, Tony kept using fluffy euphemisms when Alex just wanted it straight, "IS HE DEAD?"
It was pretty funny when Ivan sent Alex to the kitchen so he could talk to Carolina, and Alex said, "You're just trying to get rid of me so you can say stuff you don't want me to hear" and Ivan said "Yes, exactly." And then Alex headed off. He's a smart, tough kid and he appreciates honesty. Too bad he's surrounded by conniving liars.
Now this is more like it. Ivan is so much hotter when he's pissed off, yet not losing his temper. Great acting in the scene where Camilo kept poking him and trying to provoke a big fight and Ivan refused to react. Really contrasted the way Camilo is increasingly unhinged.
I'm getting a bit annoyed at Tony. He keeps telling Ivan to stay away from Lucia and Perlita even though they're both pretty sure Perlita is his daughter. Just forget about her and move on. Doesn't he know Ivan AT ALL by now, especially after the whole reclaiming of Alex debacle?! Ivan is NOT going to give up any child of his. Then, when Alex asked about Gerardo, Tony kept using fluffy euphemisms when Alex just wanted it straight, "IS HE DEAD?"
It was pretty funny when Ivan sent Alex to the kitchen so he could talk to Carolina, and Alex said, "You're just trying to get rid of me so you can say stuff you don't want me to hear" and Ivan said "Yes, exactly." And then Alex headed off. He's a smart, tough kid and he appreciates honesty. Too bad he's surrounded by conniving liars.
Julia- ITA with your whole comment. Alex is a great kid. Very straight forward and honest-- and surrounded by people who are not, except Ivan. Perhaps he inherited that from Ivan.
I am also annoyed that although EVERYONE assumes the baby is Ivan's (even if they won't say it to Camilo's face), they all think somehow Ivan won't catch on, and if he does, he'll just give up on having a relationship with his child. Why would they think that? Has anything in Ivan's past actions shown that he would give up on a child of his (fighting to marry MP, fighting to keep MP from having an abortion, investigating to find out what happened to his child, fighting for custody of his child, etc.)? And yes, Tony, who should know better, annoys me most of all when it comes to this.
I am also annoyed that although EVERYONE assumes the baby is Ivan's (even if they won't say it to Camilo's face), they all think somehow Ivan won't catch on, and if he does, he'll just give up on having a relationship with his child. Why would they think that? Has anything in Ivan's past actions shown that he would give up on a child of his (fighting to marry MP, fighting to keep MP from having an abortion, investigating to find out what happened to his child, fighting for custody of his child, etc.)? And yes, Tony, who should know better, annoys me most of all when it comes to this.
It's been driving me CRAZY that no one seems to mind that Lucia's taking away Ivan's paternal rights without ever having told him she was pregnant. She has no right!
Jardinera thanks for your great recap. I too was taken by surprise that Gerry was killed off. As Bill noted he had become an extra parent for Alex; I think MP will be eliminated also well.
Wow, Camillo is just becoming more and more frightening. That seed of jealousy the writers planted in the earlier episodes has taken root in a terrible way; he's threaten violence to Lucia. She needs to divorce him ASAP.
Vivi - ITA regarding why is everyone acting Ivan is an idiot who would abandon his child and why is it OK for Lucia not to tell him the child is his, as Katie noted as well. This aspect of the story is tiring and repetitive.
Julia - Yes, your observation of Alex is spot on.
UA - Thanks so much for your recap. It was great and you covered so much material!
Wow, Camillo is just becoming more and more frightening. That seed of jealousy the writers planted in the earlier episodes has taken root in a terrible way; he's threaten violence to Lucia. She needs to divorce him ASAP.
Vivi - ITA regarding why is everyone acting Ivan is an idiot who would abandon his child and why is it OK for Lucia not to tell him the child is his, as Katie noted as well. This aspect of the story is tiring and repetitive.
Julia - Yes, your observation of Alex is spot on.
UA - Thanks so much for your recap. It was great and you covered so much material!
I have been wondering over the last few episodes whether the birthrate to single women is outpacing that of married women in contemporary Mexico. I think it's almost 50/50 here.
This one also doesn't seem to rely on llamada-de-la-sangre, which I personally have never believed in. Although I fail to understand why Tony isn't encouraging Ivan to fight for Lucia.
This one also doesn't seem to rely on llamada-de-la-sangre, which I personally have never believed in. Although I fail to understand why Tony isn't encouraging Ivan to fight for Lucia.
Agreed that the Tony trying to get Ivan to "let Perla go" is totally not credible. As was his determination to keep Perla's existence secret from Ivan - even blatently lying - after he himself went to the trouble of sniffing out Perla's paternity. No cuadra! I wish the writers wouldn't try to pull this type of character inconsistency. They've certainly made Carlota flip-flop several times - but so often that the inconsistency has become a consistent part of her character LOL!
Still, the Tony plot direction is just hogwash!
The Curiel ladies have never respected paternal rights - all generations of them! That has been a recurring (and very consistent!) part of the entire drama!
Audrey
Still, the Tony plot direction is just hogwash!
The Curiel ladies have never respected paternal rights - all generations of them! That has been a recurring (and very consistent!) part of the entire drama!
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 12:22:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 12:22:00 AM EST
Carlota married Don Teodoro after Lucrazia's sperm donor booked, never to be heard from again. You aren't denying parental rights to someone who isn't looking for them.
We don't know what happened with Alicia's mother back in the day. I don't recall any comment about whether she had been a servant in the Curiel household or whether she was of a higher lower class. I think all we know is that she left the area at some point, but Don Teodoro knew she was pregnant and later knew that the baby was a girl.
Alicia ran from JJ and understandably so. In view of how he treats his other offspring Alicia did Ivan a big favor.
Ivan was willing to marry Maripaz, but she -- like her mother -- rejected his suit because of social class. As I've previously stated elsewhere, I don't think it would have turned out any better if Ivan had married her back then.
I wonder whether one of Lucrazia's original motives for the divorce was to remove Gerry from the household as a source of affection and comfort for her daughters. She may have felt it would be easier to control them without his presence.
We haven't been told much about this, but I believe that Maripaz had very little contact with Gerry after the divorce. Her choice, not his.
We all know what Maripaz' intentions were when she fought for custody of Alex.
Lucia -- in her determination not to be like her mother or her sister -- fears hurting Camilo by going public about Ivan being Perla's father. Martyrdom in a marriage that is making her unhappy is no compensation for the selfishness of her sister and her mother.
We don't know what happened with Alicia's mother back in the day. I don't recall any comment about whether she had been a servant in the Curiel household or whether she was of a higher lower class. I think all we know is that she left the area at some point, but Don Teodoro knew she was pregnant and later knew that the baby was a girl.
Alicia ran from JJ and understandably so. In view of how he treats his other offspring Alicia did Ivan a big favor.
Ivan was willing to marry Maripaz, but she -- like her mother -- rejected his suit because of social class. As I've previously stated elsewhere, I don't think it would have turned out any better if Ivan had married her back then.
I wonder whether one of Lucrazia's original motives for the divorce was to remove Gerry from the household as a source of affection and comfort for her daughters. She may have felt it would be easier to control them without his presence.
We haven't been told much about this, but I believe that Maripaz had very little contact with Gerry after the divorce. Her choice, not his.
We all know what Maripaz' intentions were when she fought for custody of Alex.
Lucia -- in her determination not to be like her mother or her sister -- fears hurting Camilo by going public about Ivan being Perla's father. Martyrdom in a marriage that is making her unhappy is no compensation for the selfishness of her sister and her mother.
The last two nights recaps have been wonderful Urban and Jardinera. There has been so much happening. ITA with everyone who was blown away by Gerardo's death.
As usual, the TN style police are beyond help and are taking the path of least resistance.
The story can't end happy, too many people with conflicting interests. It will be interesting to see how they resolve things.
How many more episodes are there? About 30?
As usual, the TN style police are beyond help and are taking the path of least resistance.
The story can't end happy, too many people with conflicting interests. It will be interesting to see how they resolve things.
How many more episodes are there? About 30?
One big question I have is if Lucia's baby turns out to be Ivan's, what was the point of having Lucia getting raped by, we assume to be, Saul? That scene would have no reason to be written into the script.
Cathy
Cathy
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 9:47:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 9:47:00 AM EST
Cathy- I am almost 100% that the baby will NOT be Ivan's because of the rape. But that still doesn't change the fact that everyone, including Lucia, believes that the baby is Ivan's. They are still behaving badly by keeping his child from him.
Maripaz was so absent from Gerry's life that when she breezed in to snatch up Alex, he was like "Um, who are you?"
Maripaz & Lucia were Alex's "sisters" and he did not know who MP was? Tells you a lot about how she never visited Gerry.
Also, don't forget she didn't invite Gerry to either of her weddings.
I believe Alicia's mother was a maid.
It looks like the Galvans find out about the role Carmen played in Lucrazia's attempted kidnapping/Gerry's death.
Maripaz & Lucia were Alex's "sisters" and he did not know who MP was? Tells you a lot about how she never visited Gerry.
Also, don't forget she didn't invite Gerry to either of her weddings.
I believe Alicia's mother was a maid.
It looks like the Galvans find out about the role Carmen played in Lucrazia's attempted kidnapping/Gerry's death.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 9:56:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 9:56:00 AM EST
Imagine the chaos of the paternity test coming up negative for the baby being Ivan's, Lucia and Camilo knowing it's not Camilo's, and then trying to figure out who's it is. Lucia was drugged and has no memory of who raped her, only a memory of waking up in her car the next morning and feeling odd. Once it's discovered it's Saul's baby, then there will be the drama of how that went down.
Cathy
Cathy
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 10:06:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 10:06:00 AM EST
I think this show is big on "Just because we're blood related, it doesn't make us family" and "just because we're NOT blood related, doesn't mean we're NOT family":
JJ doesn't care about his own kids (Ivan included), yet Ester cared for Saul as if he were her own son.
Teodoro cared for Lucrazia as if she were his own daughter
Carolina cared for Alex as if she were his bio-aunt
Tony adopted Ivan to be his son
Contrast that with the people who are blood related and just don't care:
JJ/Saul, Ivan, Judith, David
Maripaz/Alex
Saul/Ivan
Lucrazia/Alex
And why is Lucrazia not trying to get to know her grandson Alex? She coos all over Perlita (Lucia's child, conceived out of wedlock with "Ivan" & being fathered by low-class Camilo) but does not care about her favorite daughter Maripaz's child? (also fathered by Ivan, being fathered by low-class Ivan)
JJ doesn't care about his own kids (Ivan included), yet Ester cared for Saul as if he were her own son.
Teodoro cared for Lucrazia as if she were his own daughter
Carolina cared for Alex as if she were his bio-aunt
Tony adopted Ivan to be his son
Contrast that with the people who are blood related and just don't care:
JJ/Saul, Ivan, Judith, David
Maripaz/Alex
Saul/Ivan
Lucrazia/Alex
And why is Lucrazia not trying to get to know her grandson Alex? She coos all over Perlita (Lucia's child, conceived out of wedlock with "Ivan" & being fathered by low-class Camilo) but does not care about her favorite daughter Maripaz's child? (also fathered by Ivan, being fathered by low-class Ivan)
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 10:08:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 10:08:00 AM EST
Wow! Some terrific questions posed here today. The most interesting is why Lucrazy doesn't respond to Alex the same way she does to Lucia's child. Both are Ivan's according to what they all suspect or think they know.
Thanks to UA and Jardinera for wonderful recaps over this long holiday weekend. I've been having trouble posting, but will say only that the pace has sure picked up.
Great discussion!
Great discussion!
I think Lucrezia sees Alex as being the thing that ruined MP's life. A child born out of wedlock in secret. Perlita was born within the bonds of wedlock to an adult daughter with a career. It's not the truth of things that matter to Lucrezia (like the real origins of those children), just the appearance of things. Lucrezia also seems to have a dislike of men too, or at least a very complicated relationship with them. Perlita is another Curiel female, and therefor welcomed into the den of lionesses.
In denying paternal/father rights for each Curiel generation I was thinking of the following situations:
Carlota - she denied Alicia and Ivan the full inheritance rights granted by her supposedly beloved husband Teodoro - their father and grandfather.
Lucrecia - she routinely dissed her children's father right in front of them.
Lucrecia and Maripaz kept Ivan away from his unborn baby. Lucrecia even tried to have Ivan killed.
All the Curiel woman tried to hide the truth of Alex from Ivan when they found out. Of course lots of other people did too.
Carlota, Lucrecia, Lucia at it again with Perla. For some reason Tony signed on big time with this one.
Basically the constitent message from these Curiel women is that the father doesn't matter. Just leave him out of the loop!
Audrey
Carlota - she denied Alicia and Ivan the full inheritance rights granted by her supposedly beloved husband Teodoro - their father and grandfather.
Lucrecia - she routinely dissed her children's father right in front of them.
Lucrecia and Maripaz kept Ivan away from his unborn baby. Lucrecia even tried to have Ivan killed.
All the Curiel woman tried to hide the truth of Alex from Ivan when they found out. Of course lots of other people did too.
Carlota, Lucrecia, Lucia at it again with Perla. For some reason Tony signed on big time with this one.
Basically the constitent message from these Curiel women is that the father doesn't matter. Just leave him out of the loop!
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 10:55:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 10:55:00 AM EST
Oh wow. My stinking DVR did not record Wednesday or Friday and I didn't find out 'til I got home yesterday. Thank goodness for the FABULOUSLY DETAILED recaps by UA and Jardinera. Thank you so much.
I am so sad that Gerry is no longer with us! And he didn't even have the blackbird of doom hanging around him!
I am so sad that Gerry is no longer with us! And he didn't even have the blackbird of doom hanging around him!
Anon207, great post And Vivi, I totally agree with your assessment of Lucrazia's attitude toward Alex. She must certainly see him as the beginning of her family's fall from prestige.
Which is no worse, actually, than anyone else's in Alamos. Nobody has as much money as they used to and if any of the other ranchers' sons are like Saul, they are severely lacking in character and integrity. Traits Ivan possesses but Lucrazia refuses to recognize.
And what happened to all those cougar-eyed looks she threw Camilo's way before he married Lucia?
Which is no worse, actually, than anyone else's in Alamos. Nobody has as much money as they used to and if any of the other ranchers' sons are like Saul, they are severely lacking in character and integrity. Traits Ivan possesses but Lucrazia refuses to recognize.
And what happened to all those cougar-eyed looks she threw Camilo's way before he married Lucia?
Anon27, you are so right.
Well, lets face it, the whole town is loosely related biologically, and not in the way anyone wants.
Well, lets face it, the whole town is loosely related biologically, and not in the way anyone wants.
Jardinera: I had to steal a few moments and read this. Lovely. What a perfect title. Alex tugged at my heartstrings. Your summary was powerful and so well written. This was truly heartwrenching.
"Tony gives his sympathies to Lucrazy who, in between sobs, agrees he was a good man but that she realized it too late." Yes. The first time I've seen any sincere regret from her. Likely the last.
Diana
"Tony gives his sympathies to Lucrazy who, in between sobs, agrees he was a good man but that she realized it too late." Yes. The first time I've seen any sincere regret from her. Likely the last.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 28, 2011 at 7:31:00 AM EST
: Monday, November 28, 2011 at 7:31:00 AM EST
I am not buying the idea that Perla is the result of rape.
Prediction: When this is finally brought to light we will learn that Saul pulled down Lucia's panties and then couldn't get a stiffie, meaning that Lucia wasn't raped after all.
Prediction: When this is finally brought to light we will learn that Saul pulled down Lucia's panties and then couldn't get a stiffie, meaning that Lucia wasn't raped after all.
Perla's paternity for me has never been in doubt either, but I do separate it almost entirely from the rape issue--there's no way they can be related, IMO. The latter will simply drive drama, assuming they don't gloss it over like mad in their dash to the end of the show...
(Word verification: gushory, or how most of us were about the episode where Gerry died.)
(Word verification: gushory, or how most of us were about the episode where Gerry died.)
I agree with your prediction UA. That might also explain why Saul hasn't indicated any interest that Lucia has a daughter. Obviously he knows since Carmen has been his mole in the Curiel household.
But it still burns me up that Carlota didn't help Lucia realize what might have happened so she could get the medical attention she might have needed. That was all just so gross!!!
The actor playing Saul continues to deliver an amazing performance!
Audrey
But it still burns me up that Carlota didn't help Lucia realize what might have happened so she could get the medical attention she might have needed. That was all just so gross!!!
The actor playing Saul continues to deliver an amazing performance!
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 28, 2011 at 12:49:00 PM EST
: Monday, November 28, 2011 at 12:49:00 PM EST
Lucia, Camilo and Perlita could be infected with HIV for all Carlota knows, because she wanted to hide the truth of the rape from Lucia (and others).
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 28, 2011 at 12:54:00 PM EST
: Monday, November 28, 2011 at 12:54:00 PM EST
I hope you guys are right that nothing came of the rape, but my gut tells me different. Even without that plot line, I have a hard time seeing how they are going to wrap everything up so soon.
Vivi - I share your foreboding about Lucia. I really hope UA and Bill are right but unless the writers are using a thread to drop it, why focus on this sad dark moment. And I enjoyed your analysis of Lulu's ignoring Alex.
Audrey - ITA that the writers have been all over the place and inconsistent w/Tony. Literally one day he told Ivan to kidnap Lucia and the next he lies about Perlita's paternity and tells Ivan he won't help him determine the paternity nor get Lucia back.
Audrey - ITA that the writers have been all over the place and inconsistent w/Tony. Literally one day he told Ivan to kidnap Lucia and the next he lies about Perlita's paternity and tells Ivan he won't help him determine the paternity nor get Lucia back.
Now that I'm thinking about it...after whatshisface (Cleto?) brought Carly Lucia's panties the whole thing basically disappeared into plotline limbo, right? It is possible that they're waiting for some presumed right moment to bust it back out--and with Ivan making noises about a DNA test for Perla, at least before Gerry checked out, the time would be now to do it.
And by extension: how uncommon is it for your typical telenovela galan to have two children by two different mothers (during the course of a novela, that is)?
And by extension: how uncommon is it for your typical telenovela galan to have two children by two different mothers (during the course of a novela, that is)?
The novelas I can recall where the leading man has children by different women usually are the ones where he starts off as a widower or becomes one by the end of the prologue.
CME has the potential to be one of those under other circumstances.
CME has the potential to be one of those under other circumstances.
The only cases I can think of offhand where the galan has two kids during the course of the show are Max Sandoval from Triunfo del Amor and Eva Luna's Daniel Villanueva (including the deleted scene that only aired once--and he was a widower when the show started, so trifecta!).
That said: if Perla does turn out to be someone other than Ivan's child, that someone is either going to jail or the afterlife. Pretty much just to get them out of the way, along with Maripaz-of-work.
That said: if Perla does turn out to be someone other than Ivan's child, that someone is either going to jail or the afterlife. Pretty much just to get them out of the way, along with Maripaz-of-work.
Jardinera, thanks for the excellent recap. I'm still just spot-checking recaps and spot-viewing episodes. It's great to have all the recaps to rely on for updates.
La Paloma
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 28, 2011 at 6:21:00 PM EST
: Monday, November 28, 2011 at 6:21:00 PM EST
Thanks again, guys for stopping in and taking time to read and comment.
Bill C. -- gushory, that got a chuckle outa me!
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