Friday, December 09, 2011
La Fuerza del Destino #89 Thu 12/08/11 La Fuerza de JJ's delusions, Ivan's stupidity, and Saul's malice
Antolín points out to Camilo that JJ didn’t actually help him win the election, what with being in a coma and all. (Except that maybe his being indisposed was actually helpful!) He also asks Camilo to be his "testigo" (witness) at the "boda" (wedding).
Maripaz and Lucrezia wonder who's the baby daddy. Maripaz sees this whole incident as proof that Lucia isn't such a saint and figures she got knocked up by some random guy right after Ivan left. Lucrezia bemoans her fate at having two slutty daughters.
JJ wants to call work, so Esther lends him her cell phone and dials for him. He asks the secretary why no one came to see him and ends up talking to Camilo. He realizes Camilo replaced him and hangs up, cursing the ranchers for being traitors. He asks Esther if she thinks he's useless and starts whining about wanting to see Ivan again. He has a borderline tender moment with Esther and tells her he knows she's been the only one here for him, he knows he's been an ass, and he's going to change.
Lucrezia persists in thinking Lucia is lying about the baby's father. She thinks he's going to show up and blackmail them.
Ivan spends some daddy daughter time with the baby. Lucia comes up and he tells her he's convinced the results were a lab error. He can't wait for them to be a family and jokes about how the kids will have parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and even a dog!
Camilo tells his mom Lucia won't take him back. He can't imagine she had a one night stand with someone else.
Lucia and Carlota assume she was drugged and raped. She asks if she was completely dressed when Carlota got her into the shower. Carlota won't answer, so Lucia begs. Carlota tells her Cleto found her in the front seat and her panties were on the floor.
Berenice is blaming herself for insisting Lucia go with her to the club. David counsels patience and insists it wasn't her fault. Berenice asks David about Saul and he has nothing good to say about him. She assumes he didn't like Lucia leaving him for someone else. She remembers him being at the club that night and wonders…David thinks Saul is capable of anything. Berenice calls Saul repugnant.
JJ is home, in a wheelchair, and they've remodeled to accommodate him. He's an ass about it as usual, but at least apologizes for being an ass. He asks where Ivan is and Esther says he's not back from his "trip" yet, then distracts him by taking him to see his room.
Ivan reports to Toni that business is going well. Toni reports that JJ is back at home, but still thinks Ivan is his son who takes care of the ranch. Ivan wimps out on breaking the truth to JJ, so Toni will have to do it.
Saul calls from Hermosillo. He's doing well, almost back to normal, and will leave in a few days, but he's got to settle up his bill. Esther balks at the total, mostly because she can't get to the bank for the cash, but she offers to send him a check.
JJ complains to Toni about those damn ranchers taking advantage of his illness. Toni tries to bring logic to the situation and tells JJ to calm down, for all that's worth. He complains about not being able to find out what's going on with his ranch since Ivan is gone. He complains about the other kids and Toni sets him straight. He starts all the way back with bringing up Alicia Villagomez, but JJ doesn't really remember her. Toni tells her the story about Alicia having a son and JJ treating that son badly…well, that son is Ivan. JJ tries to remember and we get a recap of young Ivan's confrontations with JJ. He fixates on the fact that Ivan is his son, even if he has been a complete dick about him. He accuses Toni of "stealing" Ivan from him. "Who's going to take care of my ranch now?" Toni tries to talk JJ into apologizing to Ivan, but he can't get through JJ's thick skull and walks out. JJ fusses that Ivan is a bastard.
The judge gave Lucia custody of Perlita. There are a few days more to wait for the new DNA results.
And they pass.
Carolina tries on wedding dresses. She, Antolín and Arcelia choose a menu.
Ivan and Alex spend time together.
Ivan and Lucia meet with the judge to get the new DNA test results…and they came out the same as the previous test. Lucia goes running out of the office, Ivan hot on her heels. She screams at him that she doesn't know who the "real" father of her daughter is, like she told him before. She drives home crying and runs off the road.
She's conscious and able to get herself out of the car.
Saul walks back into the house, to a happy Esther. He says it only hurts a little and has trouble holding back tears. Esther tells him JJ is home and he wonders how much JJ knows. She tells him not to worry.
Antolin finds Lucia by the road, still sobbing. She just wants to go home. He gets her purse from her car and tries to convince her to go to the hospital. He asks her what happened and her response is "I don't know who the father of my daughter is." Antolín tells her the baby has a mother and that's what counts.
Esther begs Saul to see his dad, dress better, and speak more formally. Saul doesn't take it well. She tells him if he wants to keep living there, he'd better not question her and do what she says.
Lucia gets walked back to her room by her mother and grandmother. Antolín walks back out front just as Ivan is getting there. Antolín fills him in and tells him to call a wrecker to get Lucia's car. Lucrezia tells Ivan that Lucia won't go to the hospital.
Lucia insists nothing's broken. And that she doesn't want to see Ivan or anyone else.
Ivan tells Lucrezia what the DNA results said. He tells her it doesn't matter to him and he accepts Perla as his daughter and won't treat her any differently from Alex. He says he'll forgive her.
Toni gripes him out for not considering that maybe there's nothing to forgive, maybe she was raped. Ivan feels like an idiot.
Lucrezia is completely confused about what the hell is going on and how Lucia doesn't know who the father of her child is. Lucia says she was raped. Carlota fills her in on the details, as far as they know them. Lucrezia dares say the family is now completely dishonored and begs Lucia that no one can find out. Lucia assures her she can't say anything since she can't remember anything. Carlota chews Lucrezia out for her attitude and not taking Lucia's feelings into account.
Antolín visits Camilo and tells him he was helping a crying woman by the side of the road. "And guess who it was…."
The doctor says Lucia didn't break anything.
Camilo proposes building an office out there, but he'd rather just have a room at the Association. Antolín tells him to forget Lucia and reminds him that the wedding is on Saturday.
Lucia insists on being up and about and taking care of Perlita. She'll let Gloria take care of Perla, but she's decided she doesn't want to see Ivan or Camilo ever again. She goes to take a shower and mutters about feeling dirty.
Ivan gets the update from Carlota. Toni asks for the phone and talks to Carlota. She's not sure if Lucia would want to see Toni.
Toni tells Ivan that Lucia doesn't want to see anyone right now. He tells him to give her time. Ivan is all anxious to make her feel better, but he'd already been stupid enough to talk about "forgiving" her.
Which is exactly what she's complaining to Berenice about. Berenice reminds her that they both know that it's not her fault she was raped. Lucia can't remember anything, so Berenice suggests hypnotherapy, but Lucia doesn't want to remember.
JJ is learning that physical therapy involves massages from pretty PT's. Too bad he doesn't also realize that for her it's completely professional.
Antolin gives Carolina her engagement ring. In a pretty flower arrangement. She says she didn't need one, but he says things have to be done right. I love those two together.
Berenice advises Lucrezia and Carlota to just leave Lucia alone for a while. Until she decides she's ready.
Ivan ponders the rapists identity and what he'd do if he had the guy in front of him.
JJ's done with PT and Esther begs him to see Saul. Saul has had his makeover, though Esther nixes the 10-gallon hat. He still stumbles over "padre" instead of "pa." He shows off his ability to walk and claims a friend paid for the operation he needed. He offers to help JJ get his position at the Association back and asks JJ to give him a chance.
Yay! Carolina and Antolín get married. Squee! They manage to keep the kiss pretty clean.
Lucia didn't go to the wedding. She mopes around the house and is unfortunately found there by Maripaz. She's still all banged up from the accident and has to explain to Maripaz. Maripaz gloats over the baby not being Ivan's . She asks who Lucia cheated with, then jokes that she was knocked up by the Holy Spirit, so Lucia shuts her up with, "No, I was drugged and raped." We'll see how long her shocked silence lasts.
Ivan, that dumbass, is thinking about buying Lucia a car. Toni tells him money isn't the way to do this. He needs to be patient. He seems to have realized that Ivan sucks at that.
Gordo and Saul hang out. Saul wants to figure out how to get Camilo out of office. Gordo says he must have some flaw they can exploit. Gordo proposes they get Lucrezia to help them, maybe say he stole money or something. He calls the house and gets Lucia instead. His voice triggers memories of the rape and she drops the phone and runs off, crying. Gloria picks up the phone and Saul snaps at her, asking what happened to Lucia. He asks for Lucrezia and Gloria tells him everyone is at the wedding. Saul can't figure out why Lucia dropped the phone.
Lucia keeps remembering. She stumbles around her room. She ends up picking up the phone and tells someone she needs to see them.
Tomorrow: JJ wonders if Saul had something to do with Lucia's rape; Berenice and Lucia process; Camilo finds out Lucia was raped.
Maripaz and Lucrezia wonder who's the baby daddy. Maripaz sees this whole incident as proof that Lucia isn't such a saint and figures she got knocked up by some random guy right after Ivan left. Lucrezia bemoans her fate at having two slutty daughters.
JJ wants to call work, so Esther lends him her cell phone and dials for him. He asks the secretary why no one came to see him and ends up talking to Camilo. He realizes Camilo replaced him and hangs up, cursing the ranchers for being traitors. He asks Esther if she thinks he's useless and starts whining about wanting to see Ivan again. He has a borderline tender moment with Esther and tells her he knows she's been the only one here for him, he knows he's been an ass, and he's going to change.
Lucrezia persists in thinking Lucia is lying about the baby's father. She thinks he's going to show up and blackmail them.
Ivan spends some daddy daughter time with the baby. Lucia comes up and he tells her he's convinced the results were a lab error. He can't wait for them to be a family and jokes about how the kids will have parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and even a dog!
Camilo tells his mom Lucia won't take him back. He can't imagine she had a one night stand with someone else.
Lucia and Carlota assume she was drugged and raped. She asks if she was completely dressed when Carlota got her into the shower. Carlota won't answer, so Lucia begs. Carlota tells her Cleto found her in the front seat and her panties were on the floor.
Berenice is blaming herself for insisting Lucia go with her to the club. David counsels patience and insists it wasn't her fault. Berenice asks David about Saul and he has nothing good to say about him. She assumes he didn't like Lucia leaving him for someone else. She remembers him being at the club that night and wonders…David thinks Saul is capable of anything. Berenice calls Saul repugnant.
JJ is home, in a wheelchair, and they've remodeled to accommodate him. He's an ass about it as usual, but at least apologizes for being an ass. He asks where Ivan is and Esther says he's not back from his "trip" yet, then distracts him by taking him to see his room.
Ivan reports to Toni that business is going well. Toni reports that JJ is back at home, but still thinks Ivan is his son who takes care of the ranch. Ivan wimps out on breaking the truth to JJ, so Toni will have to do it.
Saul calls from Hermosillo. He's doing well, almost back to normal, and will leave in a few days, but he's got to settle up his bill. Esther balks at the total, mostly because she can't get to the bank for the cash, but she offers to send him a check.
JJ complains to Toni about those damn ranchers taking advantage of his illness. Toni tries to bring logic to the situation and tells JJ to calm down, for all that's worth. He complains about not being able to find out what's going on with his ranch since Ivan is gone. He complains about the other kids and Toni sets him straight. He starts all the way back with bringing up Alicia Villagomez, but JJ doesn't really remember her. Toni tells her the story about Alicia having a son and JJ treating that son badly…well, that son is Ivan. JJ tries to remember and we get a recap of young Ivan's confrontations with JJ. He fixates on the fact that Ivan is his son, even if he has been a complete dick about him. He accuses Toni of "stealing" Ivan from him. "Who's going to take care of my ranch now?" Toni tries to talk JJ into apologizing to Ivan, but he can't get through JJ's thick skull and walks out. JJ fusses that Ivan is a bastard.
The judge gave Lucia custody of Perlita. There are a few days more to wait for the new DNA results.
And they pass.
Carolina tries on wedding dresses. She, Antolín and Arcelia choose a menu.
Ivan and Alex spend time together.
Ivan and Lucia meet with the judge to get the new DNA test results…and they came out the same as the previous test. Lucia goes running out of the office, Ivan hot on her heels. She screams at him that she doesn't know who the "real" father of her daughter is, like she told him before. She drives home crying and runs off the road.
She's conscious and able to get herself out of the car.
Saul walks back into the house, to a happy Esther. He says it only hurts a little and has trouble holding back tears. Esther tells him JJ is home and he wonders how much JJ knows. She tells him not to worry.
Antolin finds Lucia by the road, still sobbing. She just wants to go home. He gets her purse from her car and tries to convince her to go to the hospital. He asks her what happened and her response is "I don't know who the father of my daughter is." Antolín tells her the baby has a mother and that's what counts.
Esther begs Saul to see his dad, dress better, and speak more formally. Saul doesn't take it well. She tells him if he wants to keep living there, he'd better not question her and do what she says.
Lucia gets walked back to her room by her mother and grandmother. Antolín walks back out front just as Ivan is getting there. Antolín fills him in and tells him to call a wrecker to get Lucia's car. Lucrezia tells Ivan that Lucia won't go to the hospital.
Lucia insists nothing's broken. And that she doesn't want to see Ivan or anyone else.
Ivan tells Lucrezia what the DNA results said. He tells her it doesn't matter to him and he accepts Perla as his daughter and won't treat her any differently from Alex. He says he'll forgive her.
Toni gripes him out for not considering that maybe there's nothing to forgive, maybe she was raped. Ivan feels like an idiot.
Lucrezia is completely confused about what the hell is going on and how Lucia doesn't know who the father of her child is. Lucia says she was raped. Carlota fills her in on the details, as far as they know them. Lucrezia dares say the family is now completely dishonored and begs Lucia that no one can find out. Lucia assures her she can't say anything since she can't remember anything. Carlota chews Lucrezia out for her attitude and not taking Lucia's feelings into account.
Antolín visits Camilo and tells him he was helping a crying woman by the side of the road. "And guess who it was…."
The doctor says Lucia didn't break anything.
Camilo proposes building an office out there, but he'd rather just have a room at the Association. Antolín tells him to forget Lucia and reminds him that the wedding is on Saturday.
Lucia insists on being up and about and taking care of Perlita. She'll let Gloria take care of Perla, but she's decided she doesn't want to see Ivan or Camilo ever again. She goes to take a shower and mutters about feeling dirty.
Ivan gets the update from Carlota. Toni asks for the phone and talks to Carlota. She's not sure if Lucia would want to see Toni.
Toni tells Ivan that Lucia doesn't want to see anyone right now. He tells him to give her time. Ivan is all anxious to make her feel better, but he'd already been stupid enough to talk about "forgiving" her.
Which is exactly what she's complaining to Berenice about. Berenice reminds her that they both know that it's not her fault she was raped. Lucia can't remember anything, so Berenice suggests hypnotherapy, but Lucia doesn't want to remember.
JJ is learning that physical therapy involves massages from pretty PT's. Too bad he doesn't also realize that for her it's completely professional.
Antolin gives Carolina her engagement ring. In a pretty flower arrangement. She says she didn't need one, but he says things have to be done right. I love those two together.
Berenice advises Lucrezia and Carlota to just leave Lucia alone for a while. Until she decides she's ready.
Ivan ponders the rapists identity and what he'd do if he had the guy in front of him.
JJ's done with PT and Esther begs him to see Saul. Saul has had his makeover, though Esther nixes the 10-gallon hat. He still stumbles over "padre" instead of "pa." He shows off his ability to walk and claims a friend paid for the operation he needed. He offers to help JJ get his position at the Association back and asks JJ to give him a chance.
Yay! Carolina and Antolín get married. Squee! They manage to keep the kiss pretty clean.
Lucia didn't go to the wedding. She mopes around the house and is unfortunately found there by Maripaz. She's still all banged up from the accident and has to explain to Maripaz. Maripaz gloats over the baby not being Ivan's . She asks who Lucia cheated with, then jokes that she was knocked up by the Holy Spirit, so Lucia shuts her up with, "No, I was drugged and raped." We'll see how long her shocked silence lasts.
Ivan, that dumbass, is thinking about buying Lucia a car. Toni tells him money isn't the way to do this. He needs to be patient. He seems to have realized that Ivan sucks at that.
Gordo and Saul hang out. Saul wants to figure out how to get Camilo out of office. Gordo says he must have some flaw they can exploit. Gordo proposes they get Lucrezia to help them, maybe say he stole money or something. He calls the house and gets Lucia instead. His voice triggers memories of the rape and she drops the phone and runs off, crying. Gloria picks up the phone and Saul snaps at her, asking what happened to Lucia. He asks for Lucrezia and Gloria tells him everyone is at the wedding. Saul can't figure out why Lucia dropped the phone.
Lucia keeps remembering. She stumbles around her room. She ends up picking up the phone and tells someone she needs to see them.
Tomorrow: JJ wonders if Saul had something to do with Lucia's rape; Berenice and Lucia process; Camilo finds out Lucia was raped.
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A little bare bones tonight. It would have been up earlier, but Blogger was having issues when I tried to post it last night.
RL update: the show opens tonight. Ay, yi, yi! So far I have bedazzled a pair of sweat pants, made an alien head out of a hat and some foam, gotten a guy to give us a very expensive costume for free (who says politeness doesn't count for anything?!), and today I'm altering plastic armor. I predict at least 3 more dire, last-minute costume emergencies before the curtain opens. Send me good vibes, cause I'm gonna need them!
RL update: the show opens tonight. Ay, yi, yi! So far I have bedazzled a pair of sweat pants, made an alien head out of a hat and some foam, gotten a guy to give us a very expensive costume for free (who says politeness doesn't count for anything?!), and today I'm altering plastic armor. I predict at least 3 more dire, last-minute costume emergencies before the curtain opens. Send me good vibes, cause I'm gonna need them!
Best of Luck to you tonight, I am sure you're going to knock them dead!
Thank you for the recap. I think this TN delivered another near perfect episode last night. Well done.
Thank you for the recap. I think this TN delivered another near perfect episode last night. Well done.
Permalink posted by 
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 9:39:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 9:39:00 AM EST
Break a leg tonight!!! Wish I was closer to help with costumes. Just costumed a nearly 200 piece show in under 3 weeks. My fingers are still bleeding.
Thanks for the great recaps -- especially with your hectic schedule! I really, really appreciate all that you recappers do.
Thanks for the great recaps -- especially with your hectic schedule! I really, really appreciate all that you recappers do.
Best of luck with your show tonight 5 ft. Thank you for the great recap. I oved the title. I am glad Lucia remembered what happened to her. I agree with the person yesterday who said that Carlota didn't tell her, cause she is old fashioned and didn't know what to say or do. Lucrazy is just horrible always expecting to be blackmailed and thinking the worst of Lucia but not Merry Piece. I loved the wedding of Antolin and Carolina, it was very sweet and even Alex was crying. In the advances it looks like Lucia maybe confronts Saul. I hope she asks him what happened that night and tapes it, so when he admits what he did, she can turn it in to the police. I hope he rots in jail. The anvil should hit him hard.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 10:14:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 10:14:00 AM EST
Gracias 5ft & I'm sure you'll be great tonight.
When they find out who raped Lucia, Sául is going to get a beat down by Iván, Camilo, Antolín & probably JJ.
I don't think Camilo & Antolín KNOW that Sául is Carmen's kids papá.
Can't wait for that, then it's back to the hospital for Sául & nobody will pay his bills. Adios Sául.
Variopinta
When they find out who raped Lucia, Sául is going to get a beat down by Iván, Camilo, Antolín & probably JJ.
I don't think Camilo & Antolín KNOW that Sául is Carmen's kids papá.
Can't wait for that, then it's back to the hospital for Sául & nobody will pay his bills. Adios Sául.
Variopinta
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 10:37:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 10:37:00 AM EST
Thanks for the recap Kat. Break a leg in your production tomorrow and best wishes with those last minute crises ('cause you know they are going to happen).
I too am glad Lucia is remember her horrible night. I hope, as Madelaine does, the anvil of doom hits Saul hard. And Lucrazy needs something to happen to her (like never being able to speak again). With a mother (and sister) like this, you don't need enemies. Her behavior could be an explanation for why Lucia seems so passive. If you keep a low profile in that house, people will leave you alone more than not.
I too am glad Lucia is remember her horrible night. I hope, as Madelaine does, the anvil of doom hits Saul hard. And Lucrazy needs something to happen to her (like never being able to speak again). With a mother (and sister) like this, you don't need enemies. Her behavior could be an explanation for why Lucia seems so passive. If you keep a low profile in that house, people will leave you alone more than not.
Break a leg, Kat, y gracias.
Why the hell did Lucrazia tell Maripaz about the DNA test? This serves no good purpose. Not to mention that insane rant about the family being ruined forever over Lucia's rape she did later.
Karen,, I think you nailed it about Lucia's passivity. Many people with mothers likek Lucrazia just stay out of their way to the degree they can. Lucia should have improved upon that by moving out as soon as she got a job.
Lucrazia, if that's your idea of morality change your name, and get yourself a one-way ticket to Saudi Arabia. Don't forget to pack a chador and abaya before you leave.
Ivan, you blew it. Lucia won't forgive you until the finale.
Why the hell did Lucrazia tell Maripaz about the DNA test? This serves no good purpose. Not to mention that insane rant about the family being ruined forever over Lucia's rape she did later.
Karen,, I think you nailed it about Lucia's passivity. Many people with mothers likek Lucrazia just stay out of their way to the degree they can. Lucia should have improved upon that by moving out as soon as she got a job.
Lucrazia, if that's your idea of morality change your name, and get yourself a one-way ticket to Saudi Arabia. Don't forget to pack a chador and abaya before you leave.
Ivan, you blew it. Lucia won't forgive you until the finale.
Ivan is such a pushy, thoughtless, impatient idiot! Gaaah! Buy Lucia a new car? give me a break! Seems like that is more Camilo's bumbling, inept style. So if Ivan doesn't really know/understand Lucia, how are we supposed to believe he truly loves her?
Thanks for the recap 5ft. It was very complete and much appreciated. I figured you must be under the gun, 'cause I missed your usual zingers ;-D.
Audrey
Thanks for the recap 5ft. It was very complete and much appreciated. I figured you must be under the gun, 'cause I missed your usual zingers ;-D.
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 10:58:00 AM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 10:58:00 AM EST
Dear 5FT.
Thanks so much for the thorough and fun recap, even as you in show preparation. Good luck!
Audrey - I so agree about pushy, pushy Ivan.
Occasionally someone in my household will ask what my novela is about. I'd have to say this is about a small town in which everyone is related somehow, they all sleep with each other and have children and, oddly, no one actually commits incestuous acts. Sounds like a bit of a dud of a novela! On the other hand, it has mostly moved along pretty well.
Thanks so much for the thorough and fun recap, even as you in show preparation. Good luck!
Audrey - I so agree about pushy, pushy Ivan.
Occasionally someone in my household will ask what my novela is about. I'd have to say this is about a small town in which everyone is related somehow, they all sleep with each other and have children and, oddly, no one actually commits incestuous acts. Sounds like a bit of a dud of a novela! On the other hand, it has mostly moved along pretty well.
Good luck with the show Kat! I really appreciate how you get these detailed recaps to us in the midst of all that.
I might be truning into a big old softie, but I too sort of "got" why Carly didn't say anything to Lucia about her suspicions initially-- it was just so out of her realm of thinking and experience, and she just could not fathom it. I still think she should have said something, but I'm not as livid as I was before. I was touched by that scene when she and Lucia sat back to back and spoke about it.
I am also not as mad at Ivan as you all are. I think he just said the first thing that came to mind, not even really thinking about it. He just wanted to make her feel better, and since Tony obviously did not confirm the other day that rape might be an option, he just said something, ANYTHING, that he thought might make her feel better. But of course it just made things worse. What's a guy who has been left totally in the dark to do?
I think it was Saul specifically calling her preciosa on the phone that triggered the memories, because he was panting all over her and calling her that while he raped her. This whole thing is like a living nightmare! Lucia does need to see a professional about this.
The person I AM mad at is Lucrezia. What the hell kind of way is that to react to the news that your daughter has been raped?!
I might be truning into a big old softie, but I too sort of "got" why Carly didn't say anything to Lucia about her suspicions initially-- it was just so out of her realm of thinking and experience, and she just could not fathom it. I still think she should have said something, but I'm not as livid as I was before. I was touched by that scene when she and Lucia sat back to back and spoke about it.
I am also not as mad at Ivan as you all are. I think he just said the first thing that came to mind, not even really thinking about it. He just wanted to make her feel better, and since Tony obviously did not confirm the other day that rape might be an option, he just said something, ANYTHING, that he thought might make her feel better. But of course it just made things worse. What's a guy who has been left totally in the dark to do?
I think it was Saul specifically calling her preciosa on the phone that triggered the memories, because he was panting all over her and calling her that while he raped her. This whole thing is like a living nightmare! Lucia does need to see a professional about this.
The person I AM mad at is Lucrezia. What the hell kind of way is that to react to the news that your daughter has been raped?!
I find Ivan possesive of Lucia, domineering,and controlling. Why she puts up with it is beyond me. Then there is the whimpering Camilo. Antolin is turning out to be one the nicest guys on the show. He is so caring and tender with Carolina, its touching.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 1:16:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 1:16:00 PM EST
What a pretty wedding. That tiny chapel is so cute. Too bad most of their guests are too wrapped up in their own issues to be fun guests, but I suppose Antolin and Caro probably wouldn't notice anyone but each other anyway.
The way Lucrezia reacted to news of Lucia's rape was sickening. All these imaginary people who spend all their time obsessing, judging, and gossiping about her family, but exist only in her head, are more real to this woman than her own daughter. I think she will meet a bad end. Ivan also hurt Lucia unintentionally, but at least he recognized that he had majorly screwed up. Lucrezia doesn't think she's done anything wrong. What a sociopath.
Thanks, Kat. Break a leg tonight! And best of luck with those costume emergencies. I'm sure it will be great.
The way Lucrezia reacted to news of Lucia's rape was sickening. All these imaginary people who spend all their time obsessing, judging, and gossiping about her family, but exist only in her head, are more real to this woman than her own daughter. I think she will meet a bad end. Ivan also hurt Lucia unintentionally, but at least he recognized that he had majorly screwed up. Lucrezia doesn't think she's done anything wrong. What a sociopath.
Thanks, Kat. Break a leg tonight! And best of luck with those costume emergencies. I'm sure it will be great.
Vivi I agree with you about Ivan. He really had no idea what happened to her. At least Tony put it out there for him to think about. And also about Saul calling her precious. That triggered her memory. When GHB is used, the doctors always say your memory comes back in fits and starts and it isn't unusual for Lucia to have forgotten everything until something triggered it.
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 2:04:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 2:04:00 PM EST
More power to you, 5ft. Kick some butt tonight!
Lucrezia...Dios mio, Lucrezia. How is it that we're ninety episodes into this show and this remarkably (if believably) horrible woman has only been slapped once?
Lucrezia...Dios mio, Lucrezia. How is it that we're ninety episodes into this show and this remarkably (if believably) horrible woman has only been slapped once?
All the best to you Kat! Know you'll be fabulous.
Your recap was excellent and I appreciate the embedded vocabulary. So generous of you to do this with all your other work.
Pam, what dedication! I can't imagine doing costumes for so many in so short a time!
I grieved for Lucia reliving her nightmare. You're right Vivi, Carlota was out of her experience and knowledge in this terrible situation. For a person who truly has a kind heart, she has made just about every wrong decision that she possibly could. I have no doubt though that she loves Lucia fiercely.
I loved the wedding too Julia! And yes, everyone else had their mind elsewhere...I am praying that Anto and Caro have a happily ever after but there is a whisper of a chilling breeze warning me a storm may be brewing. Ack.
Diana
Your recap was excellent and I appreciate the embedded vocabulary. So generous of you to do this with all your other work.
Pam, what dedication! I can't imagine doing costumes for so many in so short a time!
I grieved for Lucia reliving her nightmare. You're right Vivi, Carlota was out of her experience and knowledge in this terrible situation. For a person who truly has a kind heart, she has made just about every wrong decision that she possibly could. I have no doubt though that she loves Lucia fiercely.
I loved the wedding too Julia! And yes, everyone else had their mind elsewhere...I am praying that Anto and Caro have a happily ever after but there is a whisper of a chilling breeze warning me a storm may be brewing. Ack.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 2:56:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 2:56:00 PM EST
I always read the recap before I read who wrote it. And when I read "Lucrezia bemoans her fate at having two slutty daughters" I knew it had to be you. I love your voice.
I'm with Vivi in not being mad at Ivan. I think he's been through so much and just wants a life with Lucia. I don't blame him for being impatient and wanting everything to just move along so that they can finally be together.
I was surprised that Lucia didn't go to the wedding. She should have been there. Loved Carolina's wedding dress.
I'm with Vivi in not being mad at Ivan. I think he's been through so much and just wants a life with Lucia. I don't blame him for being impatient and wanting everything to just move along so that they can finally be together.
I was surprised that Lucia didn't go to the wedding. She should have been there. Loved Carolina's wedding dress.
The way Lucrezia reacted to news of Lucia's rape was sickening. All these imaginary people who spend all their time obsessing, judging, and gossiping about her family, but exist only in her head, are more real to this woman than her own daughter.
So true. My late mother would have agreed with her at this stage. At some point in my teens there was a news story about a rape victim who didn't talk for a number of years, finally revealing that the perp was an older relative. My mother's attitude was "Why is she bringing this up now and causing trouble in the family?"
Not one thought that the perp in that situation could have had a dozen other victims in the interim. Including other family members.
It's really a shame that JJ didn't become an invalid until after his divorce... and after marrying Lucrazia.
So true. My late mother would have agreed with her at this stage. At some point in my teens there was a news story about a rape victim who didn't talk for a number of years, finally revealing that the perp was an older relative. My mother's attitude was "Why is she bringing this up now and causing trouble in the family?"
Not one thought that the perp in that situation could have had a dozen other victims in the interim. Including other family members.
It's really a shame that JJ didn't become an invalid until after his divorce... and after marrying Lucrazia.
Thanks for the recap, it didn't seem barebones to me at all! Sending good vibes for your show tonight!
Yay, so happy for Antolin and Carolina. I wait for the other shoe to drop (like El Gordo trying to get revenge). I will be seriously vexed if anything ruins Antolin's and Carolina's happiness in the end!
Yay, so happy for Antolin and Carolina. I wait for the other shoe to drop (like El Gordo trying to get revenge). I will be seriously vexed if anything ruins Antolin's and Carolina's happiness in the end!
That was certainly an intense episode. I chose to read the recap via my phone prior to watching the actual episode on my dvr because I honestly couldn't wait to get home. 5ft Latina you did an amazing job with this recap! Good luck with your show tonight. Brings back memories of my college years (violin performance major) and how busy the month of December always was for us! You clearly are a superwoman!
Thinking back over the various novelas and all those weddings therein, I think I have to put Carolina & Antolin's wedding (and their entire love story) at the top of the list. Its so believable and sweet. I even shed a tear when I finally watched the full episode this afternoon. I am NOT a crier. Their love scene the other night was so simple. Hot hot hot.
The first words out of a mother's mouth upon learning her daughter was raped should be "Oh baby I'm so sorry that happened to you" not "We have to hide this so we aren't further dishonered." I truly cannot wait to see what the writers have in store for her. My ultimate feelings about this novela (whether I remember it as "one of the good ones" or "totally twisted") will directly relate to the outcomes of Ludicrazia and Maripaz! Regarding Saul, I'm not even worried, Ivan may be pushy and intense and possessive, but I'm totally ok with him putting his swarthy hands all over Saul.
So imagine, Lichita and Perlita are half sisters. In some weird round about way, Camilo was fathering his niece's half sister!
I had chills when Lucia picked up the phone at the end. I still imagine she is terribly angry and hurt at Ivan for his presumptuous forgiveness speech (though I think it was highly appropriate that Lucia heard the speech through her mother's sagging botoxed lips rather than his chapped ones!) and I'm wondering if she called him or Camilo. There are only a few more hours until tonight's episode airs.
Thinking back over the various novelas and all those weddings therein, I think I have to put Carolina & Antolin's wedding (and their entire love story) at the top of the list. Its so believable and sweet. I even shed a tear when I finally watched the full episode this afternoon. I am NOT a crier. Their love scene the other night was so simple. Hot hot hot.
The first words out of a mother's mouth upon learning her daughter was raped should be "Oh baby I'm so sorry that happened to you" not "We have to hide this so we aren't further dishonered." I truly cannot wait to see what the writers have in store for her. My ultimate feelings about this novela (whether I remember it as "one of the good ones" or "totally twisted") will directly relate to the outcomes of Ludicrazia and Maripaz! Regarding Saul, I'm not even worried, Ivan may be pushy and intense and possessive, but I'm totally ok with him putting his swarthy hands all over Saul.
So imagine, Lichita and Perlita are half sisters. In some weird round about way, Camilo was fathering his niece's half sister!
I had chills when Lucia picked up the phone at the end. I still imagine she is terribly angry and hurt at Ivan for his presumptuous forgiveness speech (though I think it was highly appropriate that Lucia heard the speech through her mother's sagging botoxed lips rather than his chapped ones!) and I'm wondering if she called him or Camilo. There are only a few more hours until tonight's episode airs.
I think she called Berenice.
Got to start getting dressed for the opera. Domingo conducts Puccini tonight.
Got to start getting dressed for the opera. Domingo conducts Puccini tonight.
Lichita & Perlita are half sisters (Saul)
Alex, Lichita & Perlita are grandchildren of JJ (Ivan, Saul)
And primos (Ivan, Saul)
Alex, Lichita & Perlita are grandchildren of JJ (Ivan, Saul)
And primos (Ivan, Saul)
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 5:10:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 5:10:00 PM EST
I think she called Bernice, too. She needs someone who won't be prone to a murderous rage to unload on. Berenice is calm and also a psychologist. Besides I think she's too mad at both Ivan and Camilo right now to want to talk to them about something so sensitive.
Iván & Sául are half brothers. Same father, JJ
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 5:37:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 5:37:00 PM EST
Thank you 5ft! I just watched the episode. Say what you will about SE's lack of passion during love scenes, but I thought she did a great job at the of the episode when she was remembering. I was seriously upset and totally felt her fear, disgust and anguish.
I agree, Sarah, and I'll say it again, I think SE is just a nice girl who can't make love with a stranger on camera without flinching. There are worse crimes. She did very well in that scene with the flashback of the rape.
Sorry Sara, spelled your name wrong.
Also, I really love the scenes with Carlota and Lucia leaning on each other's back facing the other way communing with each other when their burdens get too heavy for them to carry.
Also, I really love the scenes with Carlota and Lucia leaning on each other's back facing the other way communing with each other when their burdens get too heavy for them to carry.
Great recap, 5 ft...thanks.
Good luck tonite.
Loving all the comments. Lucia did a great job on the phone with Saul. And EMarie I think I agree with you about Lucia not being able to make love with a stranger on camera. But, then, that's where acting comes in.
Can't wait for tonite's episode.
Ann-NYC
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Good luck tonite.
Loving all the comments. Lucia did a great job on the phone with Saul. And EMarie I think I agree with you about Lucia not being able to make love with a stranger on camera. But, then, that's where acting comes in.
Can't wait for tonite's episode.
Ann-NYC
Permalink posted by : Friday, December 9, 2011 at 8:34:00 PM EST
: Friday, December 9, 2011 at 8:34:00 PM EST
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