Wednesday, February 06, 2013
Amor Bravío #120 (Uni 115) Tue 2/5/13 Daniel finds himself between a very hard rock and an even harder place.
Camila tearfully asks Daniel what he wants to do. Almost as though she’s afraid of his answer
she asks “Do you want to return to
Miriam, or stay with me?” (heart
wrenching) Daniel doesn’t know what to say, doesn’t know the correct thing to
do, doesn’t know what he should or shouldn’t do. All he knows is what his heart is shouting
for him to do him. His heart tells him
he wants her to be his present and future.
Camila sighs a huge sigh of relief.
He tells her he wants to be with her. Camila says the problem here is
that Miriam is also in his present. She
wonders if at some point he’ll decide he wants Miriam to be part of his
future. Daniel stresses that all he
knows is that the only future he knows now and the only future he imagines is
with her, Camila. Camila understands
that but still asks, “What about later, when you’ve been with her and with your
daughter, what then?” He insists that’s
all part of his past. Camila gets worked
up and anxious. Is he going to want to
recover everything he’s lost? He
responds he doesn’t know! He just doesn’t know what he’ll want later. He only knows what he wants now. He wants to be with her and that’s why they
need to live in the moment, and live this moment step by step. They finally share a kiss and he holds her
tightly as though wanting to convey his feelings through this kiss. He asks her never to doubt his love for her,
ever. She finally hugs him, hanging on
for dear life. She tells him, “I was
truly scared to death that you’d suddenly realize that she’s love of your life
and that I am not the one you want!” She
collapses in tears against him. He
whispers, “Yo te mo.” She tells him she
loves him too but she doesn’t want to hurt Miriam and doesn’t know where to put
her. (physically and emotionally, I’m
sure). They separate and Daniel turns to
the desk and pounds on it out of frustration.
Daniel: “Miriam is a good person and I don’t want to cause her any
harm. Believe me, if she were well, I
wouldn’t hesitate in telling her the whole truth.” Camila knows that but the truth is Miriam’s
not well and that’s the problem. Daniel suggests they find a doctor and get
some help so that when the time is right, he can tell her the whole truth. Camila tells him Vivi had the same idea –
that they should get a psychologist.
Daniel agrees, saying that’s exactly what they’re going to do and when
she’s well, he will tell her everything that’s happened. He will tell her exactly how he feels. Camila wonders what will happen in the
meantime, between now and the time he tells her the truth. “How are we going to live?”
Main House
Aggie’s angry! “This
was all we needed! As it is I never
liked him for Camila and now with the arrival of that woman, Miriam…..well,
that’s why I asked Daniel to leave.”
Dionicio, of course, couldn’t agree more. He feels Daniel should have done that immediately
but that’s not what occurred, “You need to speak with Camila. Tell her she needs to show some dignity and
tell Daniel to leave. It’s inconceivable
that both of Daniel’s wives should live under the same roof!” Aggie agrees and states the obvious, Camila’s
marriage to Daniel is invalid and the “legal” wife is that poor woman,
Miriam. Again, Dionicio agrees, “That
poor woman. She’s so naïve (ingenua) and so in love with
Daniel.” Aggie feels sorry for her but,
“I have to watch out for my daughter.
The best thing is for him to return to his country along with his wife
and daughter and forget about us and Mexico for-ev-er!” Dionicio suggests that
Aggie speak with Camila and insist that this happen, otherwise she’s in a
bigamist marriage! Miriam is the one who
has all the legal rights. She and her
child, who is innocent of everything.
Aggie agrees but it seems that Camila no longer listens to her and
besides she doesn’t think Camila will let Daniel go just like that! Dionicio:
“Well, then if she doesn’t do it por las buenas, we’ll have to
arrange it so she’ll do it por las malas! (He sure does like
that phrase – just sayin’) It’s
undignified and humiliating what’s going on and if necessary we have to step in
to protect her from herself!” Aggie
agrees with him, of course.
La Cabaña
Daniel understands this won’t be easy for either of them but
the most logical thing for Miriam right now is for him to be with her. Camila steps away from him, trying to be
brave. She understands but she figured
since she is technically still on her honeymoon, she would be sleeping with her
husband. She didn’t expect he would be
sleeping in another bed. Daniel kneels
before her and fervently promises he’ll do everything in his power to sleep in
another bedroom. Camila asks how he can
possible justify this. If it were her and she hadn’t been with him in months,
she would want him by her side. Daniel asks
her not to think of that. Camila gets
angry at him, how can she not think of that?
She erupts, “I have to put myself in her place because obviously she
can’t put herself in my place. Because obviously the one to who has to
control herself is me! How do I do
that?” She’s shouting at him while
crying at the same time. Daniel is
dumbfounded and can only stand there.
She apologizes and he admits he doesn’t know what to do but this is something
he has no control over. Daniel: “If I
can’t find a way to have another bedroom, then I’ll…..I’ll…..I don’t know what
to do!” He’s so frustrated. The only thing that he can promise is that
he won’t sleep Miriam. He promises to be
faithful to Camila. He could never be
unfaithful to her, not with Miriam or anyone.
Camila accepts this but then asks, “I suppose you don’t propose that we
continue to have relations. I would feel
disloyal, like the other woman.”
Daniel: “You’re not the other
woman. You’re not my lover or my
girlfriend. You’re my mujer. You’re my wife and the love of my
life.” Camila looks up at him with her
tear-stained face.
BuenaVentura
Ileana is playing darts and I’m sure imagining someone’s
face on the dartboard, “You’re a maldito, Rodolfo! (natch, I thought she
would’ve imagined Yago) If you think you
can use me then throw me away (botar)
you’re very wrong. I can’t say you
abused me and I can’t say I’m preggers (oh thank goodness) but there’s gotta be
something I can do to ruin your life!”
La MalQuerida
Speak of angels, Rodolfo*sigh* and Eulotorio are taking a
little break with that annoying norteño music in the background. Eulo just doesn’t understand why, if Nati hasn’t taken a shine to him,
doesn’t he stay with the rich Bratgirl?
After all, she’s not bad looking.
He warns that Dorotea better not hear him saying this or “me cuelga de los pelitos” (jaja). Rodolfo says he just can’t forget Nati. Eulo asks if Rodolfo just plans to spend his
time begging after her, or what? Rodolfo
asks what can he do if he has her in his heart.
He can’t love anyone else. He’s
already tried but…..no.
Out on the street, in
the dark, where no one can see them…..
Natalia meets up with Yucko.
He moves in to kiss her right away but she resist, saying she’s not
“feeling well”. She asks how
everything’s going at his place. He very
rudely tells her he doesn’t wish to discuss that because he knows she’ll only
end up asking him to speak with his father about their relationship. She denies this and says she really wanted to
know how everything is over there. He
frankly tells her he only wanted to release some stress (aka booty call). He sees that’s not the case and since she’s
not feeling well, maybe they should reschedule for tomorrow. She protests but he tells her, “Really, it’s
for the best. I’ll see you tomorrow.”
BuenaVentura
Mariano walks in and is surprised to see Ileana there. He asks how it went over at LaMalquerida and
she responds disgutedly, “Equis” cuz she’s mega cool. He asks after Ana and she tells him she’s
still at LMQ. She gives him an “I could
care less look” and admits she’s been here for some time but Ana stayed there
for awhile longer. Mariano’s confused,
why didn’t she call him to tell him Ana was still over there so he could pick
her up on the way home. Iliana admits it
didn’t occur to her. (c’mon Mariano –
kick her out already). He turns to leave
and Pablo and Ana walk in just then.
Ana, precocious as ever, blabs on Iliana, “Why did you leave without telling
us? You said you were going to meet up
with us and when we looked for you, you were gone.” Iliana insists it was a
miscommunication. She has the nerve to
say she offered to take her but never promised to stay with her. Mariano suggests she be more explicit next
time. Iliana: “You see? This is what I get for being so
accommodating! I’m going to my
room!” Ana turns to her dad and tells
him not to worry. From here on, Pablo
and Piedad have promised to come for her.
She explains Nana agreed to have Ana help care for Luzma. Mariano sees he’s outranked and agrees so
long as she doesn’t miss any classes.
Ana tells Pablo she’ll see him tomorrow and feels that Luzma is a lovely
person. She doesn’t understand why her
ShrewGranma doesn’t like her. She runs
off, leaving the two brothers alone to talk.
Mariano’s happy to see him and understands it must be difficult for him
to be here. Pablo admits this and says
he ventured to come in since he didn’t see either his father’s or Yago’s car
out front. He also came in because he
has something important to tell him…..about Camila and Daniel. He’s just not gonna believe it!
Amanda’s Hostal at
the Table of Obvio
The Scooby-Doo’s et al
are gathered around the table lamenting Camila and Daniel’s luck. Vivi says Daniel is really overwhelmed (agobiado) Natie wonders why love is so difficult. Aaron wisely says love isn’t difficult, we
make it difficult. Daniel is going to
have to resolve his feelings and make a decision as soon as possible.
(duh) Rafa pipes in with more wisdom,
“To complicate matters one of the three will end up losing but all three will
be hurt by all this.” Natie thinks that if Daniel stays with Miriam, it would
be unfair for Camila. Osvaldo finally
says something worthwhile, “At least we now know why we couldn’t find any
record of Daniel in Chile.” Teresa now
understands why Comandente Fracas requested a leave of absence. She thinks it’s worth the effort to verify
that.
BuenaVentura
I’m sure that Delusional Mariano is seeing a sliver of
opportunity here. He wonders how she’s
doing and Pablo explains he hasn’t spoken to her directly. Mariano thanks him for the news and asks that
he keep him informed of the latest.
Ruh-roh, he flashes back to the day at the hospital when he declared his
love for her and Camila made it clear she loves Daniel. At that time, he asked if he would have a
chance if Daniel didn’t exist. Camile
told him then that’s not worth exploring because Daniel does exist. Back to the present, Mariano’s wheels start spinning,
“What if he ceases to exist because he chooses his first wife? Or, what if you choose to leave him? Maybe there’s a chance for us? For now, it pains
me that you’re hurting knowing that Daniel is divided between her and
you.”
La Malquerida
Miriam comes into the makeshift nursery, and the nanny is
waiting for her with baby Agatha (nanny finally got rid of the diaper
bag). Caridad comments on how wonderful
and handsome her husband is. Miriam
agrees that he is most wonderful man in the world. Caridad says it shows in the way he is with
her. Miriam goes on about how thoughtful
he is and how they’ve never argued.
Caridad is sure his presence will help in her recovery. There’s a knock and Abram comes in to check
on her. Miriam is so happy he brought
her here. He wonders if he did the right
thing, saying maybe he should have come (to Mexico) alone. She assures him he did the right thing, “I
needed to have my family reunited. Daniel
and Agatha are vital to me. And you too,
of course!” Abram wonders what would happen if someday she were to become
disillusioned with him. (oh, someone’s feeling guilty) Miriam can’t imagine that could ever
happen. She adores him.
In the despacho of LMQ, Daniel is on the phone with
Vivi. He asks her to have Teresa call
him as soon as she hears anything. Vivi
agrees and is happy they’re playing with all the cards on the table. He asks her to get the computer from la
cabaña and also to get a referral for a good medical team to examine
Miriam. He’ll call Rafa in the
morning. He also thanks her for being
with him at such a difficult time.
La Cabaña
Aggie has brought Camila a bite to eat and pleads with her
to try to eat something. She advises her
that the room assignments have been made.
Daniel and Miriam have a room and she’s given the front room to the
nanny and the baby, and another one for the brother. She complains that La Malquerida now has the
appearance of Amanda’s B&B. This
can’t go on for much longer. Camila
laughs at the reference to the B&B and explains that until a medical team
gives the ok, Miriam cannot be told the truth.
Aggie vehemently disagrees.
Camila must insist that Daniel take his family and vamoose on outta here
back to Chile. She’s already told him
but he didn’t pay her no never mind.
She’s rattling on and on and Camila is looking to erupt again. Agies suggests that she talk to Daniel about
this herself. Camila’s heard
enough. She reminds Addled Aggie that
she asked her once before to mind her own business. In what language and in what manner does she
need to ask? “Neither,” responds
Aggie. “If I’m butting in it’s because I
love you and I don’t wish to see you suffer.”
Camila shouts at her, “How do you think running off Daniel will stop me
from suffering? What’s wrong with you?”
Aggie: “Clearly, ojos que no ven, Corazon que no siente (the heart won’t hurt from
what the eyes can’t see).” Camila
addresses her by name, “Agustina, I’m telling you seriously now, I love
Daniel. I will fight for him. Therefore, I will not allow him to leave
Mexico, much less from my life!
Understood?” Aggie doesn’t and
chooses not to say anything. She turns
on her heel and leaves.
The Main House
Daniel returns in time to kiss Baby Agatha goodnight. After
the nurse and the baby leave, he suggests to Miriam that maybe the nurse and
baby should move in with her and he’ll take the other room. He tries the excuse that he wouldn’t know how
to care for her should she get sick.
Miriam won’t even consider it, saying he’s the best medicine she could
ever have. (I’ll say!) Despite her weakness and the flight, she’s
raring to go! Heck no, she wants him
here with her just like every night since they were married. He tells her he’s worried about her
condition. She tells him the doctor gave
her the go ahead. She starts to take off
his jacket and he resists. She wonders
what’s wrong. He was always so
passionate – doesn’t he want her? This
is what’s she’s been dreaming of, to be his.
“Uhhh, well, I need to take a shower!
Yeah! That’s it! I was down at
the stables with Abram all day and I need to clean up,” is the only lame excuse
he can come up with. He tells her he
still desires her. She senses something
is amiss and asks if he would be honest with her if there were something wrong. They had always promised to be honest with
each other even if the truth hurt. The truth above everything else. She tells him to go ahead and shower and
tells him to hurry. Playing the bashful
bride, he escapes to the bathroom. Once
there, he starts praying. “God help
me. It’s very different to say one thing
and another to actually confront it. I
don’t have the heart not to please Miriam. She’s so sweet. Although I may want to deny it, I’m moved by
her affection. I don’t want to be
unfaithful. She’s my wife but I’m in
love with Camila.” A split screen shows
Daniel as he struggles with this and we see Camila entering her own bath. She flashes back to them declaring their love
when Daniel swore to defend their love.
She now thoughtbubbles: “There is
still love in your eyes when you look at me.
I know you still love me but it’s very difficult for me to think of you
with her. Even though you say you’ll be
in another room, she’s your mujer.
She’ll seek you out, you have a daughter together. Oh God, I can’t do this.” Split screen shows them both as they struggle
with this dilemma.
BuenaVentura
Mariano brings Ana a gift from Teresa. She makes a face but still opens it to reveal
a Barbie-type doll. She grimaces and
says it’s obvious his friend still
thinks she’s a child. She admits she
still plays with them, but not much. He
convinces her to call Teresa and thank her for the gift. Ana wants to know if he likes Teresa or is
Teresa’s the only one in love. She
confesses she heard when Teresa confessed she’s still in love with him and was
even prepared to interrupt his wedding.
Ana explains she spied on them when she went to deliver the message from
Refugio. She got very angry when she
heard Teresa say she didn’t like her (Ana’s) mother. Mariano tries to explain that was all a long
time ago and ultimately, Teresa did nothing to stop the wedding. Ana reminds him how he always says it’s the
intent that counts. She admits she doesn’t
like Teresa (gee, really? I hadn’t noticed).
Mariano defends Teresa, saying she’s not a bad person and Ana shouldn’t
judge her. Ana doesn’t back down and says she doesn’t want Teresa near
him. Mariano tells her she doesn’t have
anything to worry about. He doesn’t want
a relationship with Teresa, although he does admit he gave it some
thought. He explains he’s waiting to see
how some other situations play out. Ana
doesn’t understand. He tells her he
understands himself and assures her he has no plans to be with Teresa. Ana’s happy to hear that. She doesn’t want Teresa in his life, much
less in hers.
Amanda’s Hostal
Anselmo and Teresa are saying their goodbyes. He cautions her to reflect. He worries that she’s happy for Camila and
Daniel because it fits in with her plans for Mariano. Teresa admits this is true. She knows if Camila were free, Mariano
wouldn’t hesitate in seeking her out.
Padre admits he was the first to encourage her to seek out Mariano. But Mariano loves Camila and now there’s a
new opportunity opening up. Teresa is
adamant she will not allow it. He
reminds her that love is inspired, not obliged.
Teresa: “And that’s exactly what
I plan to do: inspire Mariano’s love for
me! I’m not going to pass up this
chance. I’m not making the same mistake
with Mariano again.” Anselmo just rolls
his eyes.
La Malquerida
Ay papi! Daniel is
just out of the shower, wrapped in his towel.
He removes the charm from his neck and kisses it. Looking in the mirror he says, “I have to
tell you what’s happening, Miriam. I
don’t want to, nor will I, be dishonest with either you or Camila. If there were only a way to tell you the
truth without harming you. After hearing
your words, it’s clear that’s what you would prefer (to be told the truth). You know me so well that you’ve already sensed
different in me. God, help me so that
her health won’t be affected and that I’m able to do this with all the love I
have for her – even though it is now a very different love.” Miriam’s song plays softly in the background.
Daniel eventually heads into the bedroom where Miriam is now
fast asleep. He covers her gently and
thinks to himself, “Miriam, Miriam. This
was not the time to tell you the truth and this is a sign.” He looks up to the heavens, “How will I
manage without hurting you the following nights.” He kisses her gently and walks to the foot of
the bed.
Buenaventura
Delusional Mariano sits alone, reflecting on the moment
Pablo told him of Miriam’s return. Out
loud, he calls out to Camila, saying that just when he thought anything between
them was not possible, this happens. No,
he’s not happy this has happened because he’s sure this is causing her much
grief. However, and here he smiles, if
it turns out that she and Daniel should separate, he’s gonna fight for her with
everything’s he’s got. But before that,
he needs to make sure Daniel is no longer an option for her.
La Malquerida
Daniel is now at the window (he now has his jammies
on). He peeks through the window and
catches Camila strolling with Maja. She
looks up to the window and he mouths, “I miss you.” She signals to him and also
says, “I trust you.” He mouths, “Te
Amo” and she repeats it back to him.
Back inside he begs God to give him clarity, to give him
strength.
In her cabaña, Camila returns to her lonely bed saying, “You
should be here. You should sleep with
me. We promised we would sleep together
and wake up together.” Flashbacks to
happier times. So sad, sniff.
A new day dawns and Daniel goes to visit with his
daughter. Caridad tells him she’s
finished her bottle and he playfully calls her “tragona” (glutton). He
cuddles with her and plays with her, making her squeal in delight. The nurse
leaves her with him while she goes off to do some Nanny stuff. Daniel:
“That dream I had was you. You
were telling me you were going to be in my life. You don’t know how I suffered thinking I’d
never know you. But now I have you here
with me. With me! With your Papá!” She coos as he talks to her, “I’m never going
to leave you. Never. Papá will always be with you.” We leave them as he continues to play with
her. Cute baby.
Out in the pasture, Camila and Mariano meet each other on
horseback. He admits Pablo told him what
happened. He assures her it wasn’t idle
gossip, Pablo was worried about her. She
had a sleepless night. Mariano
understands how this must be troubling her.
Camila: “I don’t understand how
this can happen when it’s supposed that I found happiness with Daniel.” Mariano agrees we’re always tested, sometimes
for the better, sometimes for the worst.
She doesn’t deserve more suffering.
Somehow he manages to segue rather clumsily into saying that last night
he realized he can. Huh? Asks
Camila. He explains that he means he can
be her friend, unconditionally. She
thought he had told her that would be too difficult for him. He admits he said that he needed to be away
from her and just last night he had the same thought but now he wants her to
know she can count on him for anything she may need. (like a new bf, maybe? –
not too smooth Mariano) Camila sees
right through this and says she appreciates it very much but she’s not made a
decision with regards to Daniel. Mariano
continues his crusade, saying this is independent to what may happen between
Camila and Daniel. First and foremost is
their friendship and that’s what he’s come to offer her. Camila is touched, “You have no idea how much
I need the support of my friends. Thank
you very much, Mariano, thank you.”
“Hey, that’s what I’m here for,” he says with his arms outstretched
toward her. She can’t resist and cries,
“I don’t know what to do!” She cries as
he continues to embrace her.
At the house, Daniel brings baby Agatha back to the bedroom. Miriam insists she feels fine. She’s surprised she fell asleep last night. She had wanted to make love to him then stay
up talking, like the good ol’ days.
Daniel is playing with Agatha. He
remembers they used to stay up late talking but now Mamá needs to recover. The important thing now is for her to get
better. Ruh-roh, little Agatha’s getting
fussy. Miriam asks if he ever figured
out why that man left him this ranch.
Daniel deftly hands Agatha off to Caridad who just happens to be
hovering near the closed door. He turns
back to Miriam and explains Don Dan thought he was his son. He explains how Agatha and Don Dan had an
extramarital affair. Later, when he
discovered Agatha had died, he assumed Daniel was his love child. He explains a DNA test proved Don Dan was
wrong, he is not a Monterde. Miriam: “Why the charro suit then, as though you are
a part of this family?” Daniel: “duh, I
like it!” She laughs and admits he cuts
a mighty fine figure in that there charro suit.
Daniel explains this is all temporary.
Don Daniel left everything to Daniel thinking he was his son. Daniel feels it is his moral obligation to
return it to the rightful heirs, who carry Monterde blood, Pablo and
Camila. For her part, Mariana doesn’t
worry about starting over again. Heck,
if anything this will allow them to return to Chile. There’s nothing holding them here,
right? Well, well, well.
*Avances*
Daniel and Abraham alliance?
Miriam notices Camila’s
wedding ring and asks (gasp!), “who’s your husband?”
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OMG! OMG! This was a 2 hankie, heart breaking, gut wrenching heck of a humdinger episode. Those scenes between Camila and Daniel and the scene between Camila and Agustina. WOW! Great stuff.
Loved, loved, loved that baby in the scenes w/Daniel. What a cutie!
Ok, Mariano needs to get a grip. Natalia needs to get real. And Yago? he just needs to get lost!
No Isadora/Cayetano/Rocio tonight. And no Salud! opportunities unless I missed them?
Loved, loved, loved that baby in the scenes w/Daniel. What a cutie!
Ok, Mariano needs to get a grip. Natalia needs to get real. And Yago? he just needs to get lost!
No Isadora/Cayetano/Rocio tonight. And no Salud! opportunities unless I missed them?
So nice to see the Scooby gang getting bigger. Hopefully Teresa can stay focused on the case and not get too distracted by clueless Mariano.
If Daniel wants to turn off Miriam's sex drive, he should probably not walk around in a towel.
Kelly
If Daniel wants to turn off Miriam's sex drive, he should probably not walk around in a towel.
Kelly
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: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:26:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:26:00 AM EST
Kelly: LOL my thoughts exactly about Dan in that towel! Mmmm!
Hi! 1st time posting, been lurking for awhile but I had to say I love this site! I'm so glad other English speakers watch tele novelas too!
This was such a good episode! Cami's reactions are just right! So glad Dan is going with Cami! Can't believe Mariano! "Not too smooth" lol thanks for a great recap!
Lily
Hi! 1st time posting, been lurking for awhile but I had to say I love this site! I'm so glad other English speakers watch tele novelas too!
This was such a good episode! Cami's reactions are just right! So glad Dan is going with Cami! Can't believe Mariano! "Not too smooth" lol thanks for a great recap!
Lily
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 2:31:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 2:31:00 AM EST
Lily: Welcome. Glad you decided to stop lurking and comment. This is a great site.
Nanette
Nanette
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:04:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:04:00 AM EST
*grabs that plate of enchiladas verdes that Camila didn’t want*
*scarfs ‘em down*
Thanks, Cam. iHasta!
*scarfs ‘em down*
Thanks, Cam. iHasta!
Great work, Paquita.
This is going to be gut-wrenching for us as well as for Camila and Daniel. This situation also will distract them enough so that El Diablo can do his dirty work. But I'm enjoying this series so much I'm not that impatient for the day that someone sends him back to where he came from.
Mariano needs to wake up. Now is not the time for more delusion about Camila; her love for Daniel is too obvious. He's a good father and knows how to run his business, so why can't he wake up about his romantic life?
Augustina needs to get lost. She is rapidly alienating her only blood relative. She will deserve to feel like the idiot she is when she realizes exactly why El Diablo was so adamant about breaking up Daniel and Camila.
This is going to be gut-wrenching for us as well as for Camila and Daniel. This situation also will distract them enough so that El Diablo can do his dirty work. But I'm enjoying this series so much I'm not that impatient for the day that someone sends him back to where he came from.
Mariano needs to wake up. Now is not the time for more delusion about Camila; her love for Daniel is too obvious. He's a good father and knows how to run his business, so why can't he wake up about his romantic life?
Augustina needs to get lost. She is rapidly alienating her only blood relative. She will deserve to feel like the idiot she is when she realizes exactly why El Diablo was so adamant about breaking up Daniel and Camila.
Wow is right Paquita! For both the scenes you mentioned and your retelling of them. I am so glad we had you for this episode as you are not only amazing at providing the details of these important and intense conversations but also the emotions.
SN must be so exhausted after these scenes, especially when she had to do so many of them so close together.
Kelly- LOL! I thought the same thing when Dan walked out in nothing but a low slung towel. How exactly was he going to tell Miriam that he wasn't going to make love to her looking like that? I noticed that when Dan took off his charm he kissed it the same way Cami kissed hers when she took it off.
The writers must have been listening to our thoughts and decided to put our minds at ease about Iliana possibly pretending to be pregnant. Look out Rodolfo. This is a girl who hates rejection, although she should be used to it by now. It's not that she's evil. She's just a brat and if she doesn't get her way she's likely to do something stupid that has unintended consequences, like Luzma and Leo.
Mariano has stepped completely into delusional territory. Dude! Cami will never see you as more than a friend. He was like a vulture swooping in on a fresh kill. He better keep his mouth shut and not try to influence Cami to dump Dan. Or he just might get the same tongue lashing Gussy got. That was great, by the way. I love it when Cam calls Gussy by name.
Welcome Lily! Please comment more often.
SN must be so exhausted after these scenes, especially when she had to do so many of them so close together.
Kelly- LOL! I thought the same thing when Dan walked out in nothing but a low slung towel. How exactly was he going to tell Miriam that he wasn't going to make love to her looking like that? I noticed that when Dan took off his charm he kissed it the same way Cami kissed hers when she took it off.
The writers must have been listening to our thoughts and decided to put our minds at ease about Iliana possibly pretending to be pregnant. Look out Rodolfo. This is a girl who hates rejection, although she should be used to it by now. It's not that she's evil. She's just a brat and if she doesn't get her way she's likely to do something stupid that has unintended consequences, like Luzma and Leo.
Mariano has stepped completely into delusional territory. Dude! Cami will never see you as more than a friend. He was like a vulture swooping in on a fresh kill. He better keep his mouth shut and not try to influence Cami to dump Dan. Or he just might get the same tongue lashing Gussy got. That was great, by the way. I love it when Cam calls Gussy by name.
Welcome Lily! Please comment more often.
The scene with Dan playing with the baby and making her giggle was adorable. The two looked like they were having great fun. Of course, she wasn't so cooperative in the more serious scene when the focus wasn't on her. Good thing Nurse Caridad is always on hand to take her when she gets fussy and gets in the way of dialogue. :)
Thanks Paquita, great job and thanks for the translations. I was wondering what they meant when I heard them.
I guess I like to yell at the screen, because this time I was yelling, 'Don't get in that bed, Don't do it!' when he had only a towel on.
If Miriam is strong enough to do it with the big guy, she sure as heck strong enough to hear the truth, just sayin'.
I guess I like to yell at the screen, because this time I was yelling, 'Don't get in that bed, Don't do it!' when he had only a towel on.
If Miriam is strong enough to do it with the big guy, she sure as heck strong enough to hear the truth, just sayin'.
Great point, Cathy. I don't think it will take long. According to the avances she will see Camila's wedding rings tonight.
I just love the irony that happens in this show. Gussy ranting about the validity of Camila's marriage when she is in the exact same situation. I so enjoyed watching her being told off last night.
Cindy
Cindy
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:15:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:15:00 AM EST
Thanks Paquita! That was an intense episode and you really got the details and kept a little humor too :)
Hi everyone! Geez, I go away for a long weekend and everything hits the fan! I'm all caught up now and can I just say - WOW!
Why is it delusional to think that maybe with time Camila could think of Mariano as more than a friend? He knows that she means what she says - that she loves Daniel - but he also knows that Dan has lied to her in the past and has another wife and baby girl. He, on the other hand, has been a rock for her, shares the same interests, doesn't have conflicting emotions and is available. I don't think he's crazy for that.
Teresa - now there's someone that I think needs to pull on the reins. It's refreshing to see a TN woman who really cares about a man pursue him, but she is really aggressive! I hope she channels that into Dan's case.
I don't think Auggie's a nut either, but I had to give Cami a high five when she put her in her place. I can see how Gussie would want Dan to leave: in her eyes their lives have gotten much more complicated since he came into them, and not really for the better. But Cami did just tell her to let them handle it. She should have acknowledged that she overstepped and apologized.
I think the best way out of this is for Miriam to fall in love with someone else. Dante, Mariano, whoever. If she can fall for someone else in a short time frame, she'll be able to understand how Dan fell for Cami. Until then though, this betrayal is going to hit her like the mother of all anvils.
Hi everyone! Geez, I go away for a long weekend and everything hits the fan! I'm all caught up now and can I just say - WOW!
Why is it delusional to think that maybe with time Camila could think of Mariano as more than a friend? He knows that she means what she says - that she loves Daniel - but he also knows that Dan has lied to her in the past and has another wife and baby girl. He, on the other hand, has been a rock for her, shares the same interests, doesn't have conflicting emotions and is available. I don't think he's crazy for that.
Teresa - now there's someone that I think needs to pull on the reins. It's refreshing to see a TN woman who really cares about a man pursue him, but she is really aggressive! I hope she channels that into Dan's case.
I don't think Auggie's a nut either, but I had to give Cami a high five when she put her in her place. I can see how Gussie would want Dan to leave: in her eyes their lives have gotten much more complicated since he came into them, and not really for the better. But Cami did just tell her to let them handle it. She should have acknowledged that she overstepped and apologized.
I think the best way out of this is for Miriam to fall in love with someone else. Dante, Mariano, whoever. If she can fall for someone else in a short time frame, she'll be able to understand how Dan fell for Cami. Until then though, this betrayal is going to hit her like the mother of all anvils.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:22:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:22:00 AM EST
PS: Great emotional scenes! Love the way Cami cries - that SN actually lets it affect her speech and breathing. So awesome. And when CdlF let his voice crack, I nodded my head to him. Well done on both their parts.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:28:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:28:00 AM EST
Darn it! Sorry! That PS was from me, I just hit something by accident before signing my name to it.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:29:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:29:00 AM EST
Their situations are different. Unless "Hector Gutierrez" is El Diablo's real name, he is not legally married to Amanda under Mexican law.
He is legally married to Gussie under US law because US law validates marriage with required witnesses. They can call themselves Romeo and Juliet for all that US law cares. What might invalidate the Vegas marriage is sloppy paperwork.
I want Augustina to find those passports.
He is legally married to Gussie under US law because US law validates marriage with required witnesses. They can call themselves Romeo and Juliet for all that US law cares. What might invalidate the Vegas marriage is sloppy paperwork.
I want Augustina to find those passports.
Excellent recap Paquita!
Why does everyone wants Miriam to fall in love with someone else in order to get over her disappointment? Daniel is Miriam's "life"; she loves him and accepts him as his; it would be unrealistic for her to just fall in love with another man. I think with time; Miriam will grow stronger and once she finds out that Daniel and Camila are married she'll understand and accept the new situation and step aside because she will not want a man to be with her for pity or obligation and in love and pining for another woman.
Cathyx I 100% agree with you that if Miriam is strong enough to go horizontal with the toro Daniel; then she can handle the truth. But boy does that woman have an itch to scratch? How will Daniel continue to dodge sleeping with her?
Urban, I don't think Miriam will be closer to know the truth yet; I think that there'll be a lot of circumstances or situations presented to her that will give her pause and eventually she'll piece things together for herself. Cam will not come out and tell that Daniel is her hubby--she'll somehow diffuse the situation.
I don't like Mariano from day one--I don't like all his honesty; I don't like his obsession for Cam; I don't want Teresa with him because he doesn't deserve her; I don't like that he had to trash Dan to make his point to Cam when he declared his love for her. He might be a great father, son, brother, friend; I just don't like him. The sooner Teresa realize what a dull man he is and put her focus on hotty Dante the better.
Augustonta is still unredeemable in my eyes.
Myo-
Why does everyone wants Miriam to fall in love with someone else in order to get over her disappointment? Daniel is Miriam's "life"; she loves him and accepts him as his; it would be unrealistic for her to just fall in love with another man. I think with time; Miriam will grow stronger and once she finds out that Daniel and Camila are married she'll understand and accept the new situation and step aside because she will not want a man to be with her for pity or obligation and in love and pining for another woman.
Cathyx I 100% agree with you that if Miriam is strong enough to go horizontal with the toro Daniel; then she can handle the truth. But boy does that woman have an itch to scratch? How will Daniel continue to dodge sleeping with her?
Urban, I don't think Miriam will be closer to know the truth yet; I think that there'll be a lot of circumstances or situations presented to her that will give her pause and eventually she'll piece things together for herself. Cam will not come out and tell that Daniel is her hubby--she'll somehow diffuse the situation.
I don't like Mariano from day one--I don't like all his honesty; I don't like his obsession for Cam; I don't want Teresa with him because he doesn't deserve her; I don't like that he had to trash Dan to make his point to Cam when he declared his love for her. He might be a great father, son, brother, friend; I just don't like him. The sooner Teresa realize what a dull man he is and put her focus on hotty Dante the better.
Augustonta is still unredeemable in my eyes.
Myo-
Welcome back HellaShelle! You're right, that with time Camila could come to love Mariano. Anything is possible. How I continue to see him will depend on how he interacts with Camila as she goes through this rough emotional time. If he only presents himself as a friend and truly is there to just lend an ear or a shoulder to cry on, then he can sigh to himself about Camila as much as he wants to and hold out hope for her one day returning his feelings. But, if he starts talking to her about how he feels for her again, and starts to push advice on her to dump Dan, then I'll be very annoyed with him. He needs to let things happen naturally, and not set up expectations in his head that Camila will start to love him.
Ay Paquita--If anything gets more heartwrenching than last night, I'll have to have two boxes of tissues by my side. I was glued to the set last night. Thanks??? for letting us relive it in such detail.
About the rings---Daniel has been flashing his around for 24 hours. I'm surprised Miriam noticed Camila's (in the avances) but has never wondered about Daniel's. Surely he and Cam would not have chosen a ring exactly like Miriam's for him. This dude doesn't think too quick on his feet (a la towel wrap last night--ladies...that was for us), so I wonder if he's going to stammer than he lost her ring and this is a replacement.
Ok, turning the ranch over to Cam & Pab, good gesture. Not very good thinking, though, so now there is no impediment for returning to Chile. Paquita--besides the rocks and hard places, he's also got a bucket and brush and painting himself into a teeny tiny corner.
About the rings---Daniel has been flashing his around for 24 hours. I'm surprised Miriam noticed Camila's (in the avances) but has never wondered about Daniel's. Surely he and Cam would not have chosen a ring exactly like Miriam's for him. This dude doesn't think too quick on his feet (a la towel wrap last night--ladies...that was for us), so I wonder if he's going to stammer than he lost her ring and this is a replacement.
Ok, turning the ranch over to Cam & Pab, good gesture. Not very good thinking, though, so now there is no impediment for returning to Chile. Paquita--besides the rocks and hard places, he's also got a bucket and brush and painting himself into a teeny tiny corner.
Paquita thanks for a great recap and translating those scenes I did not have a clue about.
Kelly - ITA about Daniel gallivanting around in a towel will not help stop Miriam's sex drive.
Welcome Lily! Please share more of your thoughts.
Cathyx/Myo - ITA if Miriam can congress she can hear the truth.
While anything is possible in a TN world where love is sometimes random and unpredictable, Mariano is delusional b/c Cam has never been interested in him romantically. If Teresa were in Cam's situation and he showed up, there is some possibility there. But he seems to have gone back to his Cam-fantasy, he sort of told Ana about getting back w/Cam and now is supposedly willing to be a friend. If he weren't a solid guy in other areas of his life, he'd be the TN villain falsely believing the heroine wants him -oh right that's Dio.
Kelly - ITA about Daniel gallivanting around in a towel will not help stop Miriam's sex drive.
Welcome Lily! Please share more of your thoughts.
Cathyx/Myo - ITA if Miriam can congress she can hear the truth.
While anything is possible in a TN world where love is sometimes random and unpredictable, Mariano is delusional b/c Cam has never been interested in him romantically. If Teresa were in Cam's situation and he showed up, there is some possibility there. But he seems to have gone back to his Cam-fantasy, he sort of told Ana about getting back w/Cam and now is supposedly willing to be a friend. If he weren't a solid guy in other areas of his life, he'd be the TN villain falsely believing the heroine wants him -oh right that's Dio.
Great job, Paquita! You handled this very trying episode with compassion and humor. I loved your describing Dan as the "bashful bride" heading to the bathroom. I also enjoyed your comment "Ok, Mariano needs to get a grip. Natalia needs to get real. And Yago? he just needs to get lost!" Amen! And I'm happy to add "Addled Aggie" as an alternative to "Gullible Gussie."
I also appreciated your translating some of the Spanish, but I'm still unsure of two things you quoted. Does "me cuelga de los pelitos”" mean "she'd hang me by the short and curlies"? And when Iliana says "Equis," what does she mean? (Unlike Iliana, I guess I'm just not cool :-) )
I gotta say, I worry when Dan assures baby Agatha that "Papá will always be with you."
Cathyx, I agree completely that "If Miriam is strong enough to do it with the big guy, she sure as heck strong enough to hear the truth, just sayin'." She sure seemed radiantly healthy last night.
Kelly, count me among the many who agree that "If Daniel wants to turn off Miriam's sex drive, he should probably not walk around in a towel." (Hmmm, in that case, do I really want him to turn off her sex drive??)
HellaShelle, I was glad you said what you did about Mariano and about Teresa.
Lily, bienvenida. Hope you'll be commenting more often.
I also appreciated your translating some of the Spanish, but I'm still unsure of two things you quoted. Does "me cuelga de los pelitos”" mean "she'd hang me by the short and curlies"? And when Iliana says "Equis," what does she mean? (Unlike Iliana, I guess I'm just not cool :-) )
I gotta say, I worry when Dan assures baby Agatha that "Papá will always be with you."
Cathyx, I agree completely that "If Miriam is strong enough to do it with the big guy, she sure as heck strong enough to hear the truth, just sayin'." She sure seemed radiantly healthy last night.
Kelly, count me among the many who agree that "If Daniel wants to turn off Miriam's sex drive, he should probably not walk around in a towel." (Hmmm, in that case, do I really want him to turn off her sex drive??)
HellaShelle, I was glad you said what you did about Mariano and about Teresa.
Lily, bienvenida. Hope you'll be commenting more often.
Myo-
It's not that I don't think Miriam could/would step aside eventually, I'm sure at some point she would. But she would also try to fight for her marriage and I hate watching characters fight for their marriage when one of them has already moved on. Also, because I so love Dan and Cam, I just don't want her to hate them and I would hate the woman who swooped in and "stole" my husband and the future I thought I had with him. I want her to be happy with someone too and to understand how this could have happened. Soy ingenua that way :P
It's not that I don't think Miriam could/would step aside eventually, I'm sure at some point she would. But she would also try to fight for her marriage and I hate watching characters fight for their marriage when one of them has already moved on. Also, because I so love Dan and Cam, I just don't want her to hate them and I would hate the woman who swooped in and "stole" my husband and the future I thought I had with him. I want her to be happy with someone too and to understand how this could have happened. Soy ingenua that way :P
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 11:06:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 11:06:00 AM EST
I completely agree that Dan in only a towel was for us.
When Miriam hears how Daniel signed over the property to rescue Camila from a kidnapper, she will know. She may get angrier with Abe than with Dan.
When Miriam hears how Daniel signed over the property to rescue Camila from a kidnapper, she will know. She may get angrier with Abe than with Dan.
Juanita:
I think Eleutorio did mean "short and curlies" - I was embarrassed to write that (tee-hee). Trust me, I'm not that modest, but somehow I figured his statement shouldn't be translated. Go figure!
As for "Equis", her manner of saying it tells me it's slang for saying "nothing". I love when young characters are in the plots. It's fun to hear how they throw in a lot of slang and English phrases.
I think Eleutorio did mean "short and curlies" - I was embarrassed to write that (tee-hee). Trust me, I'm not that modest, but somehow I figured his statement shouldn't be translated. Go figure!
As for "Equis", her manner of saying it tells me it's slang for saying "nothing". I love when young characters are in the plots. It's fun to hear how they throw in a lot of slang and English phrases.
I don't have a problem with Teresa going after Mariano. I like her. And I like him. She had a serious relationship with him, she wanted to pursue her career at a pivotal moment in their relationship. She had to choose between the two. She chose Europe and Mariano didn't want to go with her. She chose her career. Most men would do the same, in fact, Mariano chose his career too, by staying with the ranch. While she was away, she realized that her career without Mariano wasn't so great and she came back to pick up with Mariano, but he had moved on and was getting married. She then bowed out of the picture. Seems sensible and actually descent of her.
Now she wants to pick up with him again, both are available and she doesn't want to make the same mistake she made years ago by letting him go. I have absolutely no problem with that. If she were my friend, I'd tell her to go for it.
Women are often the ones who have to make the career sacrifice for the relationship and that's not fair. I never heard anyone complain that Mariano didn't follow her to Europe so that he could work at the ranch. Because that's to be expected of him. But for Teresa to want to do the same, she gets called selfish.
Now she wants to pick up with him again, both are available and she doesn't want to make the same mistake she made years ago by letting him go. I have absolutely no problem with that. If she were my friend, I'd tell her to go for it.
Women are often the ones who have to make the career sacrifice for the relationship and that's not fair. I never heard anyone complain that Mariano didn't follow her to Europe so that he could work at the ranch. Because that's to be expected of him. But for Teresa to want to do the same, she gets called selfish.
Cathyx- Has anyone actually called Teresa selfish? I certainly don't think she is. Seems to me the timing has just always been off between her and Mariano (career, marriage, living abroad, etc.). Unfortunately for her, it seems that he has completely moved on from what he once felt for her. I hate to see a good, smart woman wasting her time going after a lost cause, so I hope we either start seeing some sparks between her and Mariano that show there's hope, or she looks elsewhere and move on.
Paquita - Beautiful job. You really took me back to the difficult conflicts and sorrow in this episode.
I loved the Scoobies around the table at Amanda's. It's great to see them all together, trying to figure out what to do next.
A man who claims that he couldn't sleep worrying about your situation, but wants only to be friends, is not in touch with reality. Mariano, nothing but pain ahead for you, and it will be your own pain keeping you up at night.
Well, Miriam may not be as well as she suggests she is. She did fall asleep while Daniel was ruminating about what the heck he should do. He is so cute with that baby and obviously CdlF is comfortable acting with a baby.
It is so creepy and difficult having them all at the hacienda.
Missed the avances, having watched the episode on line, but I can see from the comments that tonight should be interesting.
I loved the Scoobies around the table at Amanda's. It's great to see them all together, trying to figure out what to do next.
A man who claims that he couldn't sleep worrying about your situation, but wants only to be friends, is not in touch with reality. Mariano, nothing but pain ahead for you, and it will be your own pain keeping you up at night.
Well, Miriam may not be as well as she suggests she is. She did fall asleep while Daniel was ruminating about what the heck he should do. He is so cute with that baby and obviously CdlF is comfortable acting with a baby.
It is so creepy and difficult having them all at the hacienda.
Missed the avances, having watched the episode on line, but I can see from the comments that tonight should be interesting.
Traveling lady - who is that adorable dog?
On Teresa - some may view her as pushy or aggressive w/Mariano but at least she is trying to return to what was. And ITA w/Myo & Vivi - I hope she realizes he's a lost cause and moves onto someone else.
On Teresa - some may view her as pushy or aggressive w/Mariano but at least she is trying to return to what was. And ITA w/Myo & Vivi - I hope she realizes he's a lost cause and moves onto someone else.
Karen,
Thank you for asking. That's Portia, an active little Malti-poo (we think) that we adopted from a shelter last June. She our girl and a fan of TNs (at least she likes to sit with me while I watch!)
TL
Thank you for asking. That's Portia, an active little Malti-poo (we think) that we adopted from a shelter last June. She our girl and a fan of TNs (at least she likes to sit with me while I watch!)
TL
Mariano should look to Miriam
They're both out of Touch with Reality!
They'd make a PERFECT FIT for each other.
Anna and Agatha would make a great pair as Sisters
Don't you think?
They're both out of Touch with Reality!
They'd make a PERFECT FIT for each other.
Anna and Agatha would make a great pair as Sisters
Don't you think?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:17:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:17:00 PM EST
@ UA Urban Anthr
Augustina Won't find the Passports!
Dionisio Burnt them 3 Weeks Ago.
Augustina Won't find the Passports!
Dionisio Burnt them 3 Weeks Ago.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:25:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:25:00 PM EST
Paquita, tks, hope you didn't ruin your keyboard with tears while you recapped.
Karen, my favorite word for sex = congress
Definitely Miriam s/b more angry at Abe than Dan. If it hadn't been for his lies, none of this would be happening.
Teresa,as an atty has a very understandable outlook & attitude. Go for what you want, it just won't work I don't think.
Auggie, go to your room & stay there.
Karen, my favorite word for sex = congress
Definitely Miriam s/b more angry at Abe than Dan. If it hadn't been for his lies, none of this would be happening.
Teresa,as an atty has a very understandable outlook & attitude. Go for what you want, it just won't work I don't think.
Auggie, go to your room & stay there.
Mariano's been lonely a little too long. I hope Teresa can dial it back a little or she's doomed to the same failure. More names:
Aaron Exhalted, strong
Viviana Alive
Rafael God has healed
Camila Perfect
Teresa Harvester
Mariano War-like
Iago Supplanter
Pablo Small
Amanda Worthy of love
Rocio Dew
Osvaldo God rule
Natalia Born on Christmas day
Rodolfo Fame, wolf
Vi: Did he burn them all or only the one that linked him to Amanda?
Aaron Exhalted, strong
Viviana Alive
Rafael God has healed
Camila Perfect
Teresa Harvester
Mariano War-like
Iago Supplanter
Pablo Small
Amanda Worthy of love
Rocio Dew
Osvaldo God rule
Natalia Born on Christmas day
Rodolfo Fame, wolf
Vi: Did he burn them all or only the one that linked him to Amanda?
There was a LOT of Cut & Pasting of scenes in the first five minutes of last night's episode!
It was all chopped up.
I assume it was a result of the high voltage emotionality exchange between Daniel an Camilla.
I kept rewinding. Some of the words and responsive were clearly incohesive.
It was all chopped up.
I assume it was a result of the high voltage emotionality exchange between Daniel an Camilla.
I kept rewinding. Some of the words and responsive were clearly incohesive.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:46:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:46:00 PM EST
Dionysio Threw a total of three passports in the fire
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:49:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:49:00 PM EST
There was a LOT of Cut & Pasting of scenes in the first five minutes of last night's episode!
It was all chopped up.
I assume it was a result of the high voltage emotionality exchange between Daniel an Camilla.
I kept rewinding. Some of the words and responses between Cam y Dan were clearly incohesive.
It was all chopped up.
I assume it was a result of the high voltage emotionality exchange between Daniel an Camilla.
I kept rewinding. Some of the words and responses between Cam y Dan were clearly incohesive.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:52:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:52:00 PM EST
Urban, I like the list of names and significance -- I believe Dio only threw Hector's passport in the fire -- they showed many passports that day when he was looking through his briefcase -- so he still have some more aliases out there.
HellaShelle -- I agree with your assessment on the Miriam situation but I don't think she necessarily has to fall for some other guy in order to move on. She's rich, she has a beautiful daughter and the unconditional support of her brother she has plenty to look forward to--I just don't think that a woman has to be tied to a man to be whole ...
Myo-
HellaShelle -- I agree with your assessment on the Miriam situation but I don't think she necessarily has to fall for some other guy in order to move on. She's rich, she has a beautiful daughter and the unconditional support of her brother she has plenty to look forward to--I just don't think that a woman has to be tied to a man to be whole ...
Myo-
Someone may have already commented on this, but the song playing during the Dan/Cam cabin scenes is Mil Vidas by Carlos Macias. Fernanda Castillo (Vivi) has sung it on stage with him before.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:58:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:58:00 PM EST
Awesome job Paquita. I missed last night's episode so thanks for the detailed recap. Mariano wants friendship with benefits. Dream on brother!! Can he be any more transparent?
This shows he never really loved Theresa. Granted, she choose her career over him. He however, recovered rather quickly by marrying. She is back in town,seems very interested and now he is lusting after Cam. What a guy!! I am conflicted about Mariam. It's sad what happened to her.The only people to blame are group Diablo and her brother.Cam and Dan are also victims who have found love.
It's hard to recapture love when it's gone. Poor lady, like someone said if she can do the horizontal tango, she can hear the truth. Difficult episode indeed. Thanks Paquita.
Olive
This shows he never really loved Theresa. Granted, she choose her career over him. He however, recovered rather quickly by marrying. She is back in town,seems very interested and now he is lusting after Cam. What a guy!! I am conflicted about Mariam. It's sad what happened to her.The only people to blame are group Diablo and her brother.Cam and Dan are also victims who have found love.
It's hard to recapture love when it's gone. Poor lady, like someone said if she can do the horizontal tango, she can hear the truth. Difficult episode indeed. Thanks Paquita.
Olive
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:01:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:01:00 PM EST
Just for her stupidity Augustina deserves all the KARMA that will inevitably come her way.
Damn Idiota!
Damn Idiota!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:02:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:02:00 PM EST
One thing for Sure Leoncio has probably written 2-3 Tell-ALL Books by now! LOL!
Aaron promised him months ago that by the end of that week he should be able to put together a sentence.
That Cheshire Cat may have gotten his tongue but Gracias Adios she left us fingers in Tact!
Aaron promised him months ago that by the end of that week he should be able to put together a sentence.
That Cheshire Cat may have gotten his tongue but Gracias Adios she left us fingers in Tact!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:06:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:06:00 PM EST
Paquita, thank you for such a detailed and well-written recap.
Welcome, Lily and all other new folks.
Re. Mariano and his chances with Camila: In real life, a sound friendship is an excellent basis for a mature, lasting relationship. A heady romance and lots of hot sex is not. Mariano is a wonderful, honest, mature, thoughtful man. If I were in Camila’s position, I would fly straight into his teddy bear arms and not give the high maintenance pretty boy another thought. And we would have a great marriage that lasted for the rest of our lives. But I don’t live in a TN, and that is fortunate as it would be a really boring TN that no one would want to watch. :) Mariano does live in a TN, and I don’t think he is ever going to win Camila away from Dan. I don’t mind watching him moon after her, but I feel sorry for him.
Hector Gutierrez may or may not be Dio’s real name, but I think it is more logical that Dio was using his real name early in his ‘career’ and a false one later than the other way around. I also don’t think he would have destroyed the Hector G passport unless it would incriminate him. I only saw him toss the one passport into the fire.
UA said: “He (Dio) is legally married to Gussie under US law because US law validates marriage with required witnesses”
This is not true. It takes a lot more than just witnesses for a marriage to be valid, like using your correct legal name. There is no way that anyone who marries using a false name has a valid marriage. No way.
I think that we are going to see that Augustina’s marriage situation is just like Camila’s and she will have to totally eat crow for her interference in the Cam-n-Dan-n-Miriam situation. The only difference for Aggie is that her husband had actually deceived her.
I would have like to have seen Daniel be firmer with Miriam about the sleeping arrangements. Maybe not the first time it came up when he was still so completely impactado and Gussie was standing there smirking at him, but now, after his promise to Camila, he needs to speak up. First, he needs to keep his clothes on. He could say something now that will help prepare her for what will come later by saying that so much happened to him while she was in her coma that he isn’t ready to sleep with her again. Period. Then walk out the door.
In reality, however, I think we are going to see this situation of Miriam ever so slowly putting little hints and pieces together for a really, really long time, possibly until the grand finale.
QTF with Camila telling Dan that she wasn’t going to have ‘relations’ with him? I wouldn’t call that fighting for your man. How about giving him some motivation to chose her bed over Miriam’s?
I think that Teresa wanting Mariano when he has moved on from his love for her is very similar to Miriam wanting Dan when he also has moved on. I don’t see how either is going to get what she wants. I like Teresa and I hope that these writers will show her in a positive way and not turn this smart, confident, assertive woman into a clichéd nut case.
Didn’t anyone else want those enchiladas? ;)
Welcome, Lily and all other new folks.
Re. Mariano and his chances with Camila: In real life, a sound friendship is an excellent basis for a mature, lasting relationship. A heady romance and lots of hot sex is not. Mariano is a wonderful, honest, mature, thoughtful man. If I were in Camila’s position, I would fly straight into his teddy bear arms and not give the high maintenance pretty boy another thought. And we would have a great marriage that lasted for the rest of our lives. But I don’t live in a TN, and that is fortunate as it would be a really boring TN that no one would want to watch. :) Mariano does live in a TN, and I don’t think he is ever going to win Camila away from Dan. I don’t mind watching him moon after her, but I feel sorry for him.
Hector Gutierrez may or may not be Dio’s real name, but I think it is more logical that Dio was using his real name early in his ‘career’ and a false one later than the other way around. I also don’t think he would have destroyed the Hector G passport unless it would incriminate him. I only saw him toss the one passport into the fire.
UA said: “He (Dio) is legally married to Gussie under US law because US law validates marriage with required witnesses”
This is not true. It takes a lot more than just witnesses for a marriage to be valid, like using your correct legal name. There is no way that anyone who marries using a false name has a valid marriage. No way.
I think that we are going to see that Augustina’s marriage situation is just like Camila’s and she will have to totally eat crow for her interference in the Cam-n-Dan-n-Miriam situation. The only difference for Aggie is that her husband had actually deceived her.
I would have like to have seen Daniel be firmer with Miriam about the sleeping arrangements. Maybe not the first time it came up when he was still so completely impactado and Gussie was standing there smirking at him, but now, after his promise to Camila, he needs to speak up. First, he needs to keep his clothes on. He could say something now that will help prepare her for what will come later by saying that so much happened to him while she was in her coma that he isn’t ready to sleep with her again. Period. Then walk out the door.
In reality, however, I think we are going to see this situation of Miriam ever so slowly putting little hints and pieces together for a really, really long time, possibly until the grand finale.
QTF with Camila telling Dan that she wasn’t going to have ‘relations’ with him? I wouldn’t call that fighting for your man. How about giving him some motivation to chose her bed over Miriam’s?
I think that Teresa wanting Mariano when he has moved on from his love for her is very similar to Miriam wanting Dan when he also has moved on. I don’t see how either is going to get what she wants. I like Teresa and I hope that these writers will show her in a positive way and not turn this smart, confident, assertive woman into a clichéd nut case.
Didn’t anyone else want those enchiladas? ;)
Paquita – Thanks for all the detail, dialogue, and vocab. Love the new names “Yucko” and “Addled Addie.”
Though Mariano doesn’t have a chance, I don’t blame him for trying – as long as he doesn’t bad-mouth Daniel. He’s been a rock for Camila in the past and I still give him points for helping her when Dio first wanted to run La Malquerida. Sure, Mariano will get hurt, but that’s what he seems to need to get over Camila once and for all.
Kelly - Dan in the towel - lol.
Though Mariano doesn’t have a chance, I don’t blame him for trying – as long as he doesn’t bad-mouth Daniel. He’s been a rock for Camila in the past and I still give him points for helping her when Dio first wanted to run La Malquerida. Sure, Mariano will get hurt, but that’s what he seems to need to get over Camila once and for all.
Kelly - Dan in the towel - lol.
Carolina- Indeed, all of our lives would look much different, and so would the men in our beds, if we lived in a tn. ;-)
Doesn't the fact that Camila and Dan can go without having relations during this confusing time, and maintain there love and connection, mean that their relationship is not just about the hot sex? I don't blame Camila for not wanting to go back to the sneaking and creeping with Dan. They moved past that stage long ago. He's her husband, not her lover any more.
Doesn't the fact that Camila and Dan can go without having relations during this confusing time, and maintain there love and connection, mean that their relationship is not just about the hot sex? I don't blame Camila for not wanting to go back to the sneaking and creeping with Dan. They moved past that stage long ago. He's her husband, not her lover any more.
Carolina-
I'm with Cam on the sleeping arrangements. Until Miriam knows the truth, Cami's sleeping with a happily married woman's husband. I can see how that would not go down in her book.
Olive - Hi! I don't think I've ever messaged u before. Mariano doesn't want a friendship with Cami, he wants a romantic relationship with her. Yago is more the friends with benefits type (and even that's being generous to his booty-call nature).
Myo-That's true, Miriam doesn't need a man to be complete. The scales just don't seem balanced if she comes out of all of this having been shot, in a coma amd then having lost her husband. It seems crazy unfair and I just think a new love, one that she really loved and who loved her back, would tip the scales back to better standing. You are 100% right to say that that is not a requirement to her happiness. And if the show ends with her having walked off into the sunset, head high, happy and ready to face the future, then more power to her.
I'm with Cam on the sleeping arrangements. Until Miriam knows the truth, Cami's sleeping with a happily married woman's husband. I can see how that would not go down in her book.
Olive - Hi! I don't think I've ever messaged u before. Mariano doesn't want a friendship with Cami, he wants a romantic relationship with her. Yago is more the friends with benefits type (and even that's being generous to his booty-call nature).
Myo-That's true, Miriam doesn't need a man to be complete. The scales just don't seem balanced if she comes out of all of this having been shot, in a coma amd then having lost her husband. It seems crazy unfair and I just think a new love, one that she really loved and who loved her back, would tip the scales back to better standing. You are 100% right to say that that is not a requirement to her happiness. And if the show ends with her having walked off into the sunset, head high, happy and ready to face the future, then more power to her.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:56:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:56:00 PM EST
Paquita: Love your detailed recaps. Cracked me up when I read “Rodolfo*sigh*” I had forgotten you are in love with him.
OK. Where the hell has Dio been? He’s telling Gussie to confront Cam and make her give up Dan? Has he lived in the same house (for all intents and purposes) and still doesn’t know who Cam is?!
Euleterio has a point about Rodolfo forgetting Nat and going for Ileana. I don’t want that to happen, obviously. But it does make sense. And, aren’t we saying the same to Mariano?
Looked to me like Nat was a little p.o’d at Iago when he left.
Mariano is basing his hope on the news from Pablo, making all sorts of conclusions without any information.
I know we’ve all said this ad nauseum—but isn’t Gussie the most clueless person on earth?
I really liked that Ana told her dad that she overheard Teresa and him in the stables. And was honest to him about her feelings about her (though, she hasn’t given it time. However, kids can be pretty astute).
I hope that Mariano telling Ana he doesn’t want a relationship with Teresa doesn’t come back and bite him on the butt when Cam and Dan stay together and he FINALLY has to give up the idea of being with Cam.
CdlF was awesome with that baby. I notice she keeps looking off camera to her mama (I’m assuming).
Cathyx: I like what you said about the Teresa/Mariano situation. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with her trying again. And it did look like Mariano was going to consider taking up with her again, until he found out about Cam. So when the dust all settles on that situ, he might be willing to go back to that.
A day has passed, so hopefully tonight we’ll find out about Nat’s blood test.
Carolina: “There is no way that anyone who marries using a false name has a valid marriage.”—I think it depends on each state’s law. Also, Cam isn’t sleeping with Dan because that does make her the "other woman". He is still married to Miriam.
Nanette
OK. Where the hell has Dio been? He’s telling Gussie to confront Cam and make her give up Dan? Has he lived in the same house (for all intents and purposes) and still doesn’t know who Cam is?!
Euleterio has a point about Rodolfo forgetting Nat and going for Ileana. I don’t want that to happen, obviously. But it does make sense. And, aren’t we saying the same to Mariano?
Looked to me like Nat was a little p.o’d at Iago when he left.
Mariano is basing his hope on the news from Pablo, making all sorts of conclusions without any information.
I know we’ve all said this ad nauseum—but isn’t Gussie the most clueless person on earth?
I really liked that Ana told her dad that she overheard Teresa and him in the stables. And was honest to him about her feelings about her (though, she hasn’t given it time. However, kids can be pretty astute).
I hope that Mariano telling Ana he doesn’t want a relationship with Teresa doesn’t come back and bite him on the butt when Cam and Dan stay together and he FINALLY has to give up the idea of being with Cam.
CdlF was awesome with that baby. I notice she keeps looking off camera to her mama (I’m assuming).
Cathyx: I like what you said about the Teresa/Mariano situation. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with her trying again. And it did look like Mariano was going to consider taking up with her again, until he found out about Cam. So when the dust all settles on that situ, he might be willing to go back to that.
A day has passed, so hopefully tonight we’ll find out about Nat’s blood test.
Carolina: “There is no way that anyone who marries using a false name has a valid marriage.”—I think it depends on each state’s law. Also, Cam isn’t sleeping with Dan because that does make her the "other woman". He is still married to Miriam.
Nanette
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:58:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 1:58:00 PM EST
Nanette, different states have different requirements for marriage licenses, that is true. But legally, a marriage is a contract and no contract is valid if it is not entered into in good faith. Lying about your identity would not only invalidate a marriage, but it would invalidate any contract. This does not vary from state to state.
Vivi, I am sorry if I was unclear, but I would never say that Dan-n-Cam were only about hot sex. I meant in general, the sort of passion that they have is only the first stage of a relationship. Many times such a relationship does not survive beyond that stage. On the other hand, a solid friendship with a good, mature person like Cam has with Mariano can survive anything, even decades of living together.
As for Dan-n-Cam, personally I am not so sure about their relationship. When watching TNs, I often have a split sense, when I know how I feel, but I also know at the same time how the writers want the viewers to feel. The writers here want us to be totally charmed by them and indeed, have shown them problem solving and working together well. But I have seen a few things that I would not consider good signs in a relationship, and they have also not known each other nearly long enough for them to get married, IMHO, so I am not totally buying what the writers are selling. I do know, though, that I am supposed to buy it.
Cam said that she would feel like the 'other woman' if she slept with Dan, but he told her no, she was not his gf or lover, she was his wife. And I think you could make the argument that Miriam is sleeping with the husband of a happily married woman (or wants to) just as much as Camila would be. It's true that Cam knows about Miriam and she doesn't know about Cam, and Miriam has the legal marriage, but they both are married to him emotionally. If Cam wants to win, she needs to think of herself and not so much about Miriam. That's my take at least.
Vivi, I am sorry if I was unclear, but I would never say that Dan-n-Cam were only about hot sex. I meant in general, the sort of passion that they have is only the first stage of a relationship. Many times such a relationship does not survive beyond that stage. On the other hand, a solid friendship with a good, mature person like Cam has with Mariano can survive anything, even decades of living together.
As for Dan-n-Cam, personally I am not so sure about their relationship. When watching TNs, I often have a split sense, when I know how I feel, but I also know at the same time how the writers want the viewers to feel. The writers here want us to be totally charmed by them and indeed, have shown them problem solving and working together well. But I have seen a few things that I would not consider good signs in a relationship, and they have also not known each other nearly long enough for them to get married, IMHO, so I am not totally buying what the writers are selling. I do know, though, that I am supposed to buy it.
Cam said that she would feel like the 'other woman' if she slept with Dan, but he told her no, she was not his gf or lover, she was his wife. And I think you could make the argument that Miriam is sleeping with the husband of a happily married woman (or wants to) just as much as Camila would be. It's true that Cam knows about Miriam and she doesn't know about Cam, and Miriam has the legal marriage, but they both are married to him emotionally. If Cam wants to win, she needs to think of herself and not so much about Miriam. That's my take at least.
State laws do vary in the US. Here is a page from Straight Dope on the subject.
Here is something else about US law on the subject. It's not as simple as TNs make it out to be.
One more answer.
Here is something else about US law on the subject. It's not as simple as TNs make it out to be.
One more answer.
Dionidio's y Augustina's marriage is as Fake as the Love Dionisio professed he had for Augustina when the married her and the non existent flings of passion her fakes when he gives her pity Sex in Bed!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 2:38:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 2:38:00 PM EST
Dionisio's y Augustina's marriage is as Fake as the Love Dionisio professed he had for Augustina when the married her and the non existent flings of passion he fakes when he gives her pity Sex in Bed!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 2:40:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 2:40:00 PM EST
Carolina- I hear ya on the difference between what the writers want us to think about a tn couple and what the reality is. I feel like this couple has been one of the best examples I have seen of a tn couple-- they have worked together to solve problems, worked through serious issues in their relationship and come out on the other side, not fallen into the trap of foolishness and game playing, AND have the required chemistry, passion and attraction always shown with tn couples. I'm always on the lookout for these kinds of couples in tns (one of the key pieces to a good tn I think), so if you know of better couples, I'd love to add those tns to my list of must-sees.
UA, interesting. Your links actually support what I was saying. Of course it’s more complicated than what I said; it’s a legal issue and nothing is ever that straight forward, but if someone is not honest about who they are when they enter a contract, the whole thing basically unravels. Good faith is the underpinning of all contracts.
Your first link talks about a lot of details and some stuff that doesn’t apply, but then says this: “there's no getting around it, it's an illegal marriage regardless of the preference of the parties.”
Vivi, no, I know of no better TN than AB. I am already concerned about what I will do when it ends. :(
Your first link talks about a lot of details and some stuff that doesn’t apply, but then says this: “there's no getting around it, it's an illegal marriage regardless of the preference of the parties.”
Vivi, no, I know of no better TN than AB. I am already concerned about what I will do when it ends. :(
Nanette said:
OK. Where the hell has Dio been? He’s telling Gussie to confront Cam and make her give up Dan? Has he lived in the same house (for all intents and purposes) and still doesn’t know who Cam is?!
The thing about narcissistic people is they can not put themselves in someone else's position or think in the way that normal people think. So he probably thinks that Cam will be so hurt by this situation that she'll want Dan to leave.
OK. Where the hell has Dio been? He’s telling Gussie to confront Cam and make her give up Dan? Has he lived in the same house (for all intents and purposes) and still doesn’t know who Cam is?!
The thing about narcissistic people is they can not put themselves in someone else's position or think in the way that normal people think. So he probably thinks that Cam will be so hurt by this situation that she'll want Dan to leave.
Great recap!
That baby is sooo cute! As someone mentioned a few days ago, her eyelashes are so long, they almost look like fake lashes. lol
Mariano couldn't 'handle' being 'just a friend' to Camila when she married Dan and all of a sudden he found out about her situation, stayed awake all night and decided that he could? Yeah, right, Mariano. If Camila weren't so shell-shocked she would see right through his weak attempts at getting next to her. What kind of a 'true' friend, when told she didn't sleep all night replies, "yeah, me too?" He should have zipped his lip about HIS feelings and just been there for her. It sounded like he wanted HER to commiserate with HIM about his lack of sleep! He can now join Augustina and Naive-talia's Clueless Club.
That baby is sooo cute! As someone mentioned a few days ago, her eyelashes are so long, they almost look like fake lashes. lol
Mariano couldn't 'handle' being 'just a friend' to Camila when she married Dan and all of a sudden he found out about her situation, stayed awake all night and decided that he could? Yeah, right, Mariano. If Camila weren't so shell-shocked she would see right through his weak attempts at getting next to her. What kind of a 'true' friend, when told she didn't sleep all night replies, "yeah, me too?" He should have zipped his lip about HIS feelings and just been there for her. It sounded like he wanted HER to commiserate with HIM about his lack of sleep! He can now join Augustina and Naive-talia's Clueless Club.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:08:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:08:00 PM EST
So in the beginning, CdF got some grief about his acting skills. How do you like him now? (and I don't just mean his physical, um, presence). I laughed when Miriam asked about why he wears the charro suit and he kinda whispered "me gusta", like he was admitting to watching telenovelas or something. I appreciate subtlety in a galan. Save the drama for the bad guys.
Kelly
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:19:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:19:00 PM EST
Nanette, you are so right about narcissists. I had one for a parent and there is no worse hell.
Poor Natalia to be the daughter of this man, but Camila's position is much worse. I know I've said it already, but how could he miss her cringing when he embraced her at the wedding?
Cathyx, the links refer to US law. While they will ultimately favor the injured party (Gussie), I think the injured party needs to feel injured before initiating the proceedings and she hasn't learned her lesson yet.
If El Diablo's marriage to Amanda isn't valid in the first place his marriage to Augustina could be. We still don't know what this guy's real name is.
Poor Natalia to be the daughter of this man, but Camila's position is much worse. I know I've said it already, but how could he miss her cringing when he embraced her at the wedding?
Cathyx, the links refer to US law. While they will ultimately favor the injured party (Gussie), I think the injured party needs to feel injured before initiating the proceedings and she hasn't learned her lesson yet.
If El Diablo's marriage to Amanda isn't valid in the first place his marriage to Augustina could be. We still don't know what this guy's real name is.
UA - maybe in his insane, delusional mind, Dio thought Cam's cringing was a result of his 'rocking her world' with a mere hug (I know, ewww) - the man has an ego sin limites! lol
Soyyo
Soyyo
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:25:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:25:00 PM EST
Cathx: I still have a problem with Dio's cluelessness, though Vivi and UA are trying to school in the way narcissists think/act.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:28:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:28:00 PM EST
This best solution to this Live Octagon Is for
1) Mariam and Mariano have a chance meeting and fall in Love - Case being Daniel doesn't want Miriam and Camilla doesn't want Mariano.
2) Teresa hook up with Dante -their chemistry was undeniable. Case being Mariano doesn't want Teresa and Dante is a fine catch. They're both career oriented and would make a grat detective team.
3) Yago and Iliana both deserve each other and should be wretchedly Miserable for the rest of their Lives. Natalia ends up alone - Nobody deserves to put up with her naively and stubbornness.
4) Daniel and Camilla should overcome their obstacles Luve Happily Ever After in TNLand while giving it Royally to Dionisio and Isadora for all they've been put through.
1) Mariam and Mariano have a chance meeting and fall in Love - Case being Daniel doesn't want Miriam and Camilla doesn't want Mariano.
2) Teresa hook up with Dante -their chemistry was undeniable. Case being Mariano doesn't want Teresa and Dante is a fine catch. They're both career oriented and would make a grat detective team.
3) Yago and Iliana both deserve each other and should be wretchedly Miserable for the rest of their Lives. Natalia ends up alone - Nobody deserves to put up with her naively and stubbornness.
4) Daniel and Camilla should overcome their obstacles Luve Happily Ever After in TNLand while giving it Royally to Dionisio and Isadora for all they've been put through.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:32:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:32:00 PM EST
Nanette- Oh, I can't explain them. I just know I've worked for one. 10 years later, I'm still amazed by him when I think back, and not in a good way. :)
This best solution to this Love Octagon Is for
1) Mariam and Mariano have a chance meeting and fall in Love - Case being Daniel doesn't want Miriam and Camilla doesn't want Mariano.
2) Teresa hook up with Dante -their chemistry was undeniable. Case being Mariano doesn't want Teresa and Dante is a fine catch. They're both career oriented and would make a grat detective team.
3) Yago and Iliana both deserve each other and should be wretchedly Miserable for the rest of their Lives. Natalia ends up alone - Nobody deserves to put up with her naively and stubbornness.
4) Daniel and Camilla should overcome their obstacles Luve Happily Ever After in TNLand while giving it Royally to Dionisio and Isadora for all they've been put through.
1) Mariam and Mariano have a chance meeting and fall in Love - Case being Daniel doesn't want Miriam and Camilla doesn't want Mariano.
2) Teresa hook up with Dante -their chemistry was undeniable. Case being Mariano doesn't want Teresa and Dante is a fine catch. They're both career oriented and would make a grat detective team.
3) Yago and Iliana both deserve each other and should be wretchedly Miserable for the rest of their Lives. Natalia ends up alone - Nobody deserves to put up with her naively and stubbornness.
4) Daniel and Camilla should overcome their obstacles Luve Happily Ever After in TNLand while giving it Royally to Dionisio and Isadora for all they've been put through.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:34:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:34:00 PM EST
Las Vegas Weddings: "It's illegal to make a false statement on your marriage license as per Nevada Revised Statute (NRS) 122.200. "Any person who shall make a false statement in procuring a marriage license with reference to any matter required by NRS 122.040 and 122.050 to be stated under oath shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor."
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:35:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:35:00 PM EST
***This best solution to this LOVE Octagon Is for
1) Mariam and Mariano have a chance meeting and fall in Love - Case being Daniel doesn't want Miriam and Camilla doesn't want Mariano.
2) Teresa hook up with Dante -their chemistry was undeniable. Case being Mariano doesn't want Teresa and Dante is a fine catch. They're both career oriented and would make a great detective team.
3) Yago and Iliana both deserve each other and should be wretchedly Miserable for the rest of their Lives. Natalia ends up alone - Nobody deserves to put up with her naivety and stubbornness.
4) Daniel and Camilla should overcome their obstacles Live Happily Ever After in TNLand while giving it Royally to Dionisio and Isadora for all they've been put through.
1) Mariam and Mariano have a chance meeting and fall in Love - Case being Daniel doesn't want Miriam and Camilla doesn't want Mariano.
2) Teresa hook up with Dante -their chemistry was undeniable. Case being Mariano doesn't want Teresa and Dante is a fine catch. They're both career oriented and would make a great detective team.
3) Yago and Iliana both deserve each other and should be wretchedly Miserable for the rest of their Lives. Natalia ends up alone - Nobody deserves to put up with her naivety and stubbornness.
4) Daniel and Camilla should overcome their obstacles Live Happily Ever After in TNLand while giving it Royally to Dionisio and Isadora for all they've been put through.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:37:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:37:00 PM EST
Rudolpho deserves that fine secretary who came for an interview a month ago.
Now that Would be nice!
Now that Would be nice!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:40:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:40:00 PM EST
Kelly, I think CdlF has done a fine acting job. After DWTS, I didn't know he had it in him.
My biggest issue with him has been that a few weeks ago, I suddenly realized that he looks a lot like one of my brothers. A LOT!!! I never saw it until all of a sudden it was all I could see. I told my husband and he agrees 100%. My bro's coloring is more like SN's, with green eyes, and his build is more like Rafa's, but he is 6'1" and has always made all my women friends go weak in the knees, even though to me he's just my goofy brother. Once I saw it, I could not unsee and any appeal just went *poof*.
Now, no pushing and shoving, ladies. Please. The line forms on the left. ;)
My biggest issue with him has been that a few weeks ago, I suddenly realized that he looks a lot like one of my brothers. A LOT!!! I never saw it until all of a sudden it was all I could see. I told my husband and he agrees 100%. My bro's coloring is more like SN's, with green eyes, and his build is more like Rafa's, but he is 6'1" and has always made all my women friends go weak in the knees, even though to me he's just my goofy brother. Once I saw it, I could not unsee and any appeal just went *poof*.
Now, no pushing and shoving, ladies. Please. The line forms on the left. ;)
Why is it delusional to think that maybe with time Camila could think of Mariano as more than a friend?
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Because she has no passion for Mariano. She has felt passion for Daniel like she's never felt before and even if Daniel were to leave her and return to Chile, she wouldn't feel the same passion (or any passion) for Mariano.
Sure, she could marry Mariano but it would be just like Elisa & Gael on Abismo de Pasion...
This is the same reason why it won't work between Teresa & Mariano. He doesn't feel any passion for her. He cares about her, but that passionate love he wants to feel with Camila, he just isn't going to feel with Teresa.
As Padre Anselmo stated, love can't be obligated. Camila can't be obligated to love Mariano, and Mariano can't be obligated to love Teresa.
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Because she has no passion for Mariano. She has felt passion for Daniel like she's never felt before and even if Daniel were to leave her and return to Chile, she wouldn't feel the same passion (or any passion) for Mariano.
Sure, she could marry Mariano but it would be just like Elisa & Gael on Abismo de Pasion...
This is the same reason why it won't work between Teresa & Mariano. He doesn't feel any passion for her. He cares about her, but that passionate love he wants to feel with Camila, he just isn't going to feel with Teresa.
As Padre Anselmo stated, love can't be obligated. Camila can't be obligated to love Mariano, and Mariano can't be obligated to love Teresa.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:59:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 3:59:00 PM EST
Anon207: You don't think love a deep love can grow even if the partners don't have the Cam/Dan type passion?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:09:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:09:00 PM EST
Vivi, 50 but looks 40. Marital status: it's complicated. Stinking rich and smart as all heck.
But then there's the goofy factor, too.
But then there's the goofy factor, too.
Mariano's delusion about Camila is just as sick as Dio's--the only difference is that Dio is a gangster incestuous sicko and Mariano is a nicer guy with a good family.
The way Mariano responded to the recent discord between Cam and Dan was not that of an unconditional friend--he's taking advantage of Cam's vulnerability and not so in a good way and that plain irked me.
I didn't appreciate the way he just dismissed the idea of Theresa as a possible love interest the second he heard of Camila's tragedy.
Myo-
The way Mariano responded to the recent discord between Cam and Dan was not that of an unconditional friend--he's taking advantage of Cam's vulnerability and not so in a good way and that plain irked me.
I didn't appreciate the way he just dismissed the idea of Theresa as a possible love interest the second he heard of Camila's tragedy.
Myo-
El corazon no se manda, as we always say.
Ay, Carolina! Stinking rich and looks like CdlF? Increible!
Ay, Carolina! Stinking rich and looks like CdlF? Increible!
Carolina- Oh well! Too old for me (I don't do more than ten years older-- just my thing). How did you not spend all your time beating away your girlfriends all these years? LOL!
@renata770
I couldn't agree with you more regarding Mariano's obsession with Camilla!
Ain't gonna happen bro!
Camilla and Daniel's connection and the ties that bind them are too strong for any one to break!
Her better talk a walk over to LMQ there's a horny muejer on the loose who is with at a man to love her back!
Miriam could be his only logical option in that neck of the woods!
I couldn't agree with you more regarding Mariano's obsession with Camilla!
Ain't gonna happen bro!
Camilla and Daniel's connection and the ties that bind them are too strong for any one to break!
Her better talk a walk over to LMQ there's a horny muejer on the loose who is with at a man to love her back!
Miriam could be his only logical option in that neck of the woods!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:24:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:24:00 PM EST
*without a man to love her back.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:26:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:26:00 PM EST
I was thoroughly Invested in Un Refugio Para El Amor and then somewhat dissatisfied and disappointed how the writers/producers drugg out some scenes for months and than just cramped 5 years of events in two weeks.
And a lifetime of occurrences in the 42 min Finale.
I am so hoping the writers and producers of Amor Bravio have better senses in talking us through the roller coaster ride of Love Greed and Anguish without rushing us through as this TN comes to an end. And ultimately not leave too many unsanswered questions hanging.
Oh one final thought or Question -
Is there a specific reason there's no Recap or Review of
CORONA de Lagrimas?
It is truly another captivating TN.
It's a shame there's no forum to discuss. You all are Really Missing out!
And a lifetime of occurrences in the 42 min Finale.
I am so hoping the writers and producers of Amor Bravio have better senses in talking us through the roller coaster ride of Love Greed and Anguish without rushing us through as this TN comes to an end. And ultimately not leave too many unsanswered questions hanging.
Oh one final thought or Question -
Is there a specific reason there's no Recap or Review of
CORONA de Lagrimas?
It is truly another captivating TN.
It's a shame there's no forum to discuss. You all are Really Missing out!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:45:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:45:00 PM EST
I was thoroughly Invested in Un Refugio Para El Amor and then somewhat dissatisfied and disappointed how the writers/producers drugg out some scenes for months and than just cramped 5 years of events in two weeks.
And a lifetime of occurrences in the 42 min Finale.
I am so hoping the writers and producers of Amor Bravio have better senses in talking us through the roller coaster ride of Love Greed and Anguish without rushing us through as this TN comes to an end. And ultimately not leave too many unsanswered questions hanging.
Oh one final thought or Question -
Is there a specific reason there's no Recap or Review of
CORONA de Lagrimas?
It is truly another captivating TN.
It's a shame there's no forum to discuss. You all are Really Missing out!
And a lifetime of occurrences in the 42 min Finale.
I am so hoping the writers and producers of Amor Bravio have better senses in talking us through the roller coaster ride of Love Greed and Anguish without rushing us through as this TN comes to an end. And ultimately not leave too many unsanswered questions hanging.
Oh one final thought or Question -
Is there a specific reason there's no Recap or Review of
CORONA de Lagrimas?
It is truly another captivating TN.
It's a shame there's no forum to discuss. You all are Really Missing out!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:46:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 4:46:00 PM EST
This shows he never really loved Theresa. Granted, she choose her career over him. He however, recovered rather quickly by marrying.
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No, I don't think so.
Just in my observations a man who desires to get married does it rather quickly. All of my female friends who married (which is all of them; I'm the only single one), their husbands made their moves rather quickly. I've had male friends who expressed a desire to marry; the next girl they saw BOOM that's the one they married (like months later).
Mariano wanted to marry & settle down. Teresa did not; she was about her career. Mariano determined that Teresa & he did not have the same life goals at the time he wanted to achieve them so he moved on and found Ana Maria, who DID have the same life goals he wanted to achieve at the time he wanted to achieve them.
That doesn't mean that Mariano never loved Teresa. It means that he wanted to marry, settle down and live the ranch life and Teresa did not, at that time.
Now Teresa may want to marry & have the ranch life, but Mariano doesn't want that with her. Teresa's time has come and gone for Mariano. He wants Camila, who is able to settle down and live the ranch life. She loves the ranch life independent of him; that's probably part of why he loves her.
Plus, Mariano's child does not like Teresa and he now knows it. That's a serious strike against being serious with Teresa. Even as Ana was disappointed that Camila stayed with Daniel, she didn't dislike Camila. She actively dislikes Teresa and no amount of sucking up from Teresa is going to change that.
I'm sure Mariano cares for Teresa but he doesn't have that passion for her anymore, just like Camila doesn't have that passion for Mariano and Daniel doesn't have that passion for Miriam.
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No, I don't think so.
Just in my observations a man who desires to get married does it rather quickly. All of my female friends who married (which is all of them; I'm the only single one), their husbands made their moves rather quickly. I've had male friends who expressed a desire to marry; the next girl they saw BOOM that's the one they married (like months later).
Mariano wanted to marry & settle down. Teresa did not; she was about her career. Mariano determined that Teresa & he did not have the same life goals at the time he wanted to achieve them so he moved on and found Ana Maria, who DID have the same life goals he wanted to achieve at the time he wanted to achieve them.
That doesn't mean that Mariano never loved Teresa. It means that he wanted to marry, settle down and live the ranch life and Teresa did not, at that time.
Now Teresa may want to marry & have the ranch life, but Mariano doesn't want that with her. Teresa's time has come and gone for Mariano. He wants Camila, who is able to settle down and live the ranch life. She loves the ranch life independent of him; that's probably part of why he loves her.
Plus, Mariano's child does not like Teresa and he now knows it. That's a serious strike against being serious with Teresa. Even as Ana was disappointed that Camila stayed with Daniel, she didn't dislike Camila. She actively dislikes Teresa and no amount of sucking up from Teresa is going to change that.
I'm sure Mariano cares for Teresa but he doesn't have that passion for her anymore, just like Camila doesn't have that passion for Mariano and Daniel doesn't have that passion for Miriam.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:03:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:03:00 PM EST
Carolina, you said that if you were in Cami’s shoes you’d run to Mariano. You are overlooking the fact that Cami is as hot natured as Dan (If not hotter) she would never be physically attracted to a man with no sex appeal. Mariano might be honest but chemistry and physical attraction has to be there also. I like a man to look good in his clothes. Mariano always look sloppy. If Mariano is such a good catch why does everyone in viewerville preface his name with the word poor, as in ”poor Mariano”. Another common phrase from his fans is “I feel sorry for him”. The man is pitiful, period.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:06:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:06:00 PM EST
Dear Telenovela Lover--
There was a synopsis and character bios done before Corona started.
The recappers are all volunteers and based on what we read, no one stepped forward to take on the task. It's definitely a commitment in time and energy for once a week, sometimes twice, for 8 or 9 months.
There was a synopsis and character bios done before Corona started.
The recappers are all volunteers and based on what we read, no one stepped forward to take on the task. It's definitely a commitment in time and energy for once a week, sometimes twice, for 8 or 9 months.
Anon207: You don't think love a deep love can grow even if the partners don't have the Cam/Dan type passion?
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You need passion to light the fire to begin with. The flames of love can't grow with wet logs. Camila doesn't look like she wants to have sex with Mariano in any way, shape or form. And after being with Daniel, I don't see her going back to a blah relationship like the one she had with Alonso (even BEFORE the impotence & violent rages).
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You need passion to light the fire to begin with. The flames of love can't grow with wet logs. Camila doesn't look like she wants to have sex with Mariano in any way, shape or form. And after being with Daniel, I don't see her going back to a blah relationship like the one she had with Alonso (even BEFORE the impotence & violent rages).
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:10:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:10:00 PM EST
Corona is by the same producer of Teresa and LQNP-Jose Castro-his stuff is usually pretty decent. Loved LQNP and enjoyed Teresa. Corona is also good but I can’t take Ruffo’s constant crying—La Madrastra was enough for me; I completely tune that woman off since TDA.
Refugio was a remake that this bunch of producers lack the imagination to veer the show towards a new direction instead they remain pegged to the original—which worked fine then but not so much now—The beginning worked well because it was modern and Zuria and Soto had great chemistry, but the end was atrocious.
AB’s fate is a different story because these producers actually use their imagination and they always raise the bar. CME was an excellent TN and the writers promised that AB will be a lot better. So far the quality has remained up to par and you’ll not be disappointed with the next 46 episodes.
Myo-
Refugio was a remake that this bunch of producers lack the imagination to veer the show towards a new direction instead they remain pegged to the original—which worked fine then but not so much now—The beginning worked well because it was modern and Zuria and Soto had great chemistry, but the end was atrocious.
AB’s fate is a different story because these producers actually use their imagination and they always raise the bar. CME was an excellent TN and the writers promised that AB will be a lot better. So far the quality has remained up to par and you’ll not be disappointed with the next 46 episodes.
Myo-
Anon207: I have to respectfully disagree. The love of my life and I started out as friends. The passion and "in love" part came later.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:23:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:23:00 PM EST
46 episodes left! Can't believe this tn is already three-quarters gone!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:26:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:26:00 PM EST
Nanette: Happy for you re the love of your life, but agree with those who say Camila can never fall in love with Mariano. The love of HER life is Daniel ... she's already there! And he's not helping his cause by immediately jumping in acting like a friend when clearly that's not what he wants to be. Camila is smart and will see right through his 'just friends' act. However, I don't think he realizes just how stalkerish he's being. He's blinded by love.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:34:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:34:00 PM EST
Telenovela Lover,
You could recap Corona de lagrimas, you turn on the TV, the Victoria Ruffo character is crying, you go to commercial, she is still crying, you come back from commercial & she's crying again. The same thing for the whole hour.
You could recap Corona de lagrimas, you turn on the TV, the Victoria Ruffo character is crying, you go to commercial, she is still crying, you come back from commercial & she's crying again. The same thing for the whole hour.
Anon 5:34: I don't think it's totally inconceivable that Cam could fall in love with Mariano if Dan was out of the picture. Would it be the same kind of love? Would it even be as deep? Probably not. But that doesn't mean they couldn't build a good, loving relationship. I'm not saying that I want it to happen (obviously, I'm on Team Cam and Dan). But it's not entirely impossible.
If Cam had never entered Dan's world, he would be happily married to Miriam.
If Cam had never entered Dan's world, he would be happily married to Miriam.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:48:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 5:48:00 PM EST
Awesome recap, Paquita! Muchas gracias.
Everything's already been said. Just want to say I agree with those that say a pairing of Mariano and Miriam would be good. Two great people.
And although it's been said a thousand times, the fact that Dio believes he can ever get the love from Camila is ludicrous!
Everything's already been said. Just want to say I agree with those that say a pairing of Mariano and Miriam would be good. Two great people.
And although it's been said a thousand times, the fact that Dio believes he can ever get the love from Camila is ludicrous!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:02:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:02:00 PM EST
Vivi, too bad. I think you’re his type.
UA, lol! I love my brother and everything, but he looks better on paper.
anon@ 05:06:00, I’m a pragmatist. It gets in the way of being a really good TN fan.
What one woman finds sexy isn’t what every woman finds sexy. Some women care if their guy looks sloppy, some don’t. I don’t care for how Mariano dresses, FTR. Dan looks great in the charro get up, but he looked really awful in some of those unfortunate sportswear choices on the honeymoon and in Chile. On looks alone, Dan would win for most women, myself included (if not for that brother issue I have), but Mariano certainly isn’t ugly. He isn’t in the Alonso or (bless his heart) Oswaldo category. Camila’s dead fiance, Luis, wasn’t all that good looking if you ask me.
Speaking from experience, some of those guys who are B-listers when it comes to looks are much hotter lovers than the guys who are so good looking that they are used to women falling all over them. Your mileage may vary.
Camila and Dan are both really hot-tempered, which is one reason I don’t think they would be compatible long term. Mariano would balance her out better than Dan. If I were seeing a guy like Dan who can get so angry and physical with Abe or that Leocreep or Alonso, I would be asking myself, what will happen the day he is that angry at me? If you marry someone, sooner or later, that day will come. Believe me. After all my years with my husband, we have seen each other at our very worst.
But mainly I was thinking of the long term success of relationships. Looks don’t last. Passion is fun, but it does not last, either. Sometimes it gets replaced by a deeper level of love and sensuality, but often it does not and it just disappears and then there is nothing to keep a couple together. Or that deep love may grow between a couple who never had the hot passion to start. (I hear you, Nanette; I hear you.) Compatibility, shared values, communication skills, honesty, integrity, and that sort of thing are often dismissed as boring, but you cannot have a successful long term relationship without them. IME.
I thought people say ‘poor Mariano’ precisely because he is such a catch and deserves someone special in his life. :)
No, Camila shouldn’t marry him if she isn’t attracted to him at all. However, I think that a) she will cry a river of tears but end up with Dan; b) if she doesn’t end up with him, she would be wise to not get involved with anyone too soon after all she has been through; c) she has a big enough heart to love a man who wasn’t incredibly guapo, like Luis.
UA, lol! I love my brother and everything, but he looks better on paper.
anon@ 05:06:00, I’m a pragmatist. It gets in the way of being a really good TN fan.
What one woman finds sexy isn’t what every woman finds sexy. Some women care if their guy looks sloppy, some don’t. I don’t care for how Mariano dresses, FTR. Dan looks great in the charro get up, but he looked really awful in some of those unfortunate sportswear choices on the honeymoon and in Chile. On looks alone, Dan would win for most women, myself included (if not for that brother issue I have), but Mariano certainly isn’t ugly. He isn’t in the Alonso or (bless his heart) Oswaldo category. Camila’s dead fiance, Luis, wasn’t all that good looking if you ask me.
Speaking from experience, some of those guys who are B-listers when it comes to looks are much hotter lovers than the guys who are so good looking that they are used to women falling all over them. Your mileage may vary.
Camila and Dan are both really hot-tempered, which is one reason I don’t think they would be compatible long term. Mariano would balance her out better than Dan. If I were seeing a guy like Dan who can get so angry and physical with Abe or that Leocreep or Alonso, I would be asking myself, what will happen the day he is that angry at me? If you marry someone, sooner or later, that day will come. Believe me. After all my years with my husband, we have seen each other at our very worst.
But mainly I was thinking of the long term success of relationships. Looks don’t last. Passion is fun, but it does not last, either. Sometimes it gets replaced by a deeper level of love and sensuality, but often it does not and it just disappears and then there is nothing to keep a couple together. Or that deep love may grow between a couple who never had the hot passion to start. (I hear you, Nanette; I hear you.) Compatibility, shared values, communication skills, honesty, integrity, and that sort of thing are often dismissed as boring, but you cannot have a successful long term relationship without them. IME.
I thought people say ‘poor Mariano’ precisely because he is such a catch and deserves someone special in his life. :)
No, Camila shouldn’t marry him if she isn’t attracted to him at all. However, I think that a) she will cry a river of tears but end up with Dan; b) if she doesn’t end up with him, she would be wise to not get involved with anyone too soon after all she has been through; c) she has a big enough heart to love a man who wasn’t incredibly guapo, like Luis.
That much is certain.
I'm rewatching Abrazame Muy Fuerte and I think there is another TN law: If Victoria Ruffo and Cesar Evora are in the same series they have to be married to each other.
I'm rewatching Abrazame Muy Fuerte and I think there is another TN law: If Victoria Ruffo and Cesar Evora are in the same series they have to be married to each other.
For the record--and I'm sure everybody wants to know this--I find Mariano more attractive than Dan. I'm not into the pretty boy, muscular types.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:28:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:28:00 PM EST
And I find Rafa more attractive than Dan. He's more my type....
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:36:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:36:00 PM EST
Take a really good look at Iago's next close-up and tell me he wouldn't look a lot better with black hair.
We were commenting before about the baby. I like how CdlF handed her off to the actress who's playing the nurse (who was probably outside the door just for that reason), when she started to fuss, so they could finish the scene without distractions. Does anyone remember the TN--it would have to be either STuD or CME (I think it was CME) where they had a scene in the bedroom with the baby fussing and crying on the bed and they all pretty much ignored s/he while they finished the scene?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:55:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:55:00 PM EST
I think Rafa and Aaron are cute, too. And Rodolfo. I think they're good looking, but not classically so.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:56:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 6:56:00 PM EST
Oh, yes. Love those clingy shirts on Rafa, and his hair is gorgeous. All around hot, imo:)
Urban A, I'll be imagining Iago with black hair next close-up.
Urban A, I'll be imagining Iago with black hair next close-up.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 7:05:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 7:05:00 PM EST
All of the above plus Pablo. Heck, I even think Eleuterio is cute in a boyish/impish way! Frankly, this tn does not lack in the cute guy department.
Sadly for our male viewers this tn is totally lacking in silicone parts and now is mostly lacking in ramerawear since Ximena's demise.
Rodolfo is hot. He looks like he could be related to both Pablo Montero and Alejandro Fernandez.
Pablo is cute in a "little brother" way. Funny thing is he looks more like Mariano than Iago does.
Pablo is cute in a "little brother" way. Funny thing is he looks more like Mariano than Iago does.
Sorry I'm late dropping in today, but I have to say how much I enjoyed your wonderful recap, Paquita, as well as all the stimulating comments today.
Can anyone remind me what it was that Eulotorio overheard Dionysio say in that phone conversation. He decided to wait until after the honeymoon to tell Can and Cami about it. Is it still relevant?
cathyx,
You made me smile last night:
"Where do you go to buy a cattle virus?"
I imagined the following scene:
"So will that be all for you today, Señor Ferrer?"
"Ummm, let me think a moment... oh yes, I'm gonna need a couple of pounds of bull virus while you're at it."
Carlos
Can anyone remind me what it was that Eulotorio overheard Dionysio say in that phone conversation. He decided to wait until after the honeymoon to tell Can and Cami about it. Is it still relevant?
cathyx,
You made me smile last night:
"Where do you go to buy a cattle virus?"
I imagined the following scene:
"So will that be all for you today, Señor Ferrer?"
"Ummm, let me think a moment... oh yes, I'm gonna need a couple of pounds of bull virus while you're at it."
Carlos
I think they did a good job of casting the brothers Rafa and Aaron. Now that Aaron wears his hair back (when he came back to town) they definitely look like brothers (to me, at least).
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 7:37:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 7:37:00 PM EST
If we're giving the men away, I've got dibs on Dan, but I know I have to fight Vivi over him. But I work out, so I'm not worried that I'd lose.
I think that Yago is good looking. It's just his character who's ugly.
I think that Yago is good looking. It's just his character who's ugly.
Yes, Vivi, there is certainly no shortage of good-looking men on this TN; and the show did lose one hot woman when they killed off Ximena.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 7:43:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 7:43:00 PM EST
Carlos, it's true that I was joking, but really, where would he get this virus? At the bad guy store? Could he possibly have a connection to someone who keeps steer virus in stock? I'd like to know.
Vivi,
"Sadly for our male viewers this tn is totally lacking in silicone parts..."
Surely you don't think that I...
Never mind.
Carlos
"Sadly for our male viewers this tn is totally lacking in silicone parts..."
Surely you don't think that I...
Never mind.
Carlos
Cathyx, he's a confidence trickster. He -- or a henchman --could pretend to be a veterinary college prof and order it from a legitimate bio supply place for research purposes. He wouldn't have to directly infect the entire herd; just a few that would ultimately infect the others by proximity.
I really hope that doesn't happen. I hate it when innocent animals become victims.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:12:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:12:00 PM EST
Carolina- Since I'm not as picky as Vivi, I'll take your brother. As long as he's rich and good looking, I'm happy. As long as the marriage thing is normal-complicated and not novela-complicated. I just don't think I could handle a wife coming back from the dead, or attemted murders on my life. Otherwise, it's good (I have no morals).
I like the Miriam-Mariano mash up since it keeps the baby in Mexico and they can be one big, happy family. The idea of Miriam being fine on her own is nice too, but does that ever happen?
Carlos- I think Eulowhatever heard Dio talking about the tourist plans for La MQ, but maybe someone else can confirm. That happened before the whole Cayetonto plan went down so MQ was still an option. Esp. if the local Metepec Walmart puts bull virus on sale.
Kelly
I like the Miriam-Mariano mash up since it keeps the baby in Mexico and they can be one big, happy family. The idea of Miriam being fine on her own is nice too, but does that ever happen?
Carlos- I think Eulowhatever heard Dio talking about the tourist plans for La MQ, but maybe someone else can confirm. That happened before the whole Cayetonto plan went down so MQ was still an option. Esp. if the local Metepec Walmart puts bull virus on sale.
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:26:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 8:26:00 PM EST
Sorry, Kelly. I cannot vouch for anything my psycho ex-SIL may or may not do.
I thought that overheard conversation was Dio and Isa talking about her taking over the BA. Mariano et al need to know about that even though they already don't trust her and it could be too late.
I thought that overheard conversation was Dio and Isa talking about her taking over the BA. Mariano et al need to know about that even though they already don't trust her and it could be too late.
Urban Anthropologist said...
I'm rewatching Abrazame Muy Fuerte and I think there is another TN law: If Victoria Ruffo and Cesar Evora are in the same series they have to be married to each other.
I've been wondering about the Family Relationship Law! My theory, though, is that if they've played siblings or biologically related parent-child, they cannot later play lovers.
I'm rewatching Abrazame Muy Fuerte and I think there is another TN law: If Victoria Ruffo and Cesar Evora are in the same series they have to be married to each other.
I've been wondering about the Family Relationship Law! My theory, though, is that if they've played siblings or biologically related parent-child, they cannot later play lovers.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 9:20:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 9:20:00 PM EST
Late getting into convos but I just wanted to warn everyone to stay away from Rodolfo*sigh* -- he's mine! I hope he likes mature women "of a certain age"
More adequate name for corona de lagrimas: Chorro de Lagrimas. Been watching-aggravating. Her character not only cries (and cries, and cries) but she's got to be one of the most metiche mothers ever! Too bad we didn't blog this one. I barely hv time for AB or I would've volunteered. Trust me, time is better spent on AB but there is certainly a lot of snark potential on that one. Yeesh! And she still hasn't plucked those damn eyebrows!
More adequate name for corona de lagrimas: Chorro de Lagrimas. Been watching-aggravating. Her character not only cries (and cries, and cries) but she's got to be one of the most metiche mothers ever! Too bad we didn't blog this one. I barely hv time for AB or I would've volunteered. Trust me, time is better spent on AB but there is certainly a lot of snark potential on that one. Yeesh! And she still hasn't plucked those damn eyebrows!
HelleShelle, I've been watching novelas for almost 20 years and I would have to spend some serious time researching that one.
I knew we'd see Leonicio tonight...
"One thing for Sure Leoncio has probably written 2-3 Tell-ALL Books by now! LOL!
Aaron promised him months ago that by the end of that week he should be able to put together a sentence.
That Cheshire Cat may have gotten his tongue but Gracias Adios she left his fingers in Tact!"
And yes that secretary sure did appear as I had hoped!!!
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"One thing for Sure Leoncio has probably written 2-3 Tell-ALL Books by now! LOL!
Aaron promised him months ago that by the end of that week he should be able to put together a sentence.
That Cheshire Cat may have gotten his tongue but Gracias Adios she left his fingers in Tact!"
And yes that secretary sure did appear as I had hoped!!!
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