Caray, Caray!

Haha! Love the title Jardinera. Look forward to reading what you cooked up for us when I get back tonight.

This was Cap 157, not 152, correct?
 

EEK!! You're right! tks!
 

I dearly hope I can report on Monday night that Camila realized that -- even were he so inclined -- there is nothing El Diablo could do now to get Gussie out of the reclusorio. Multiple charges of fraud, paper evidence to prove it, and it being a capital offense I don't think anything can unring that bell.

Assuming that he still has the paperwork he told her he did, withholding it is a crime and the last thing he's going to do is incriminate himself. No way would he hand it over to Camila even if she caved to his obscene demand.

Someone may have to remind her of that.

The hacienda will need to go into fortress mode until Leoncerdo is shot or captured.

Lab results, por favor! On the potassium concoction and Iagho's blood test.
 

UA, looks like iagho has an STD right? Is that what will cancel the wedding? I thought that Nati had enough reason to cancel the wedding without needing one more piece of evidence. In other words, I'm missing the significance of proving that he cheated on Nat not unless they had sex afterwards and now Nat has a STD?.
 

I don't think Nat has the STD; I don't think they've boinked since she found out she was knocked up. He picked up the hooker in between.

The fact of Iagho having an STD is significant because it proves he cheated on her after telling her he loved her.

However, she can't call him on that lie until they get the briefcase and El Diablo is in the slammer.
 

Where has this talk of Yago having an STD come from? I have seen nothing of it yet on this show, so if we are talking as if it's an real thing, then this is a spoiler, no?
 

It's a reasonable suspicion:

A few episodes ago he picked up a hooker on the street. He was seen by Eleuterio, who later told Rodolfo about it.

Iagho and Nat went for pre-marital blood tests at the hospital this past week.

None of these events happened for no reason.

Iagho having an STD can certainly stop the wedding. However, it will attract the devil's wrath before that.
 

Jardinera, I'll wait until I read your sure-to-be-wonderful recap before I comment on last night's episode, but I have to say now that I LOVED "Papa-sition"!!
 

This episode had such squicky, skin-crawling moments. (The Leoncio moments were worse than the Dionisio moments, which is saying a lot.)
 

This is one time I approve of guns. I would say give Luzma one, but she is so upset, she might shoot at any noise & kill someone other than the piece of slime.
Pablo will save her.
 

Yup, Jardinera, your part 1 is as good as I'd hoped/expected (hmmm...no wonder Spanish just combines the two into esperar). I loved your saying "(Wrong family, isn’t it Mar? You’re somebody else’s big brother.)" I'm soooo glad you said this! ITA.

I also loved your description of Leoncerdo ("Her tongueless tío mentally licks his lips....") and your admonition to Ossie: "Let those little sausage fingers dial and do the walking, already!" I don't know how you manage, week after week, to come up with all these delightful descriptions, but I look forward to them with admiration every weekend.

Before this comment turns too soppy, let me say that I don't really agree with your feelings about Miriam. I increasingly find her neither stifling nor uber-clingy (though I love that term). She was expecting that Dan would be thrilled to see her. When that turned out not to be so clear, I think she felt that as time went on, things would improve between her and Dan. Instead, just the opposite is happening, and she has no idea why. No one is being wholly honest with her, even/especially the people she trusts most. She's understandably VERY frustrated and perplexed. She has made it clear (I think to Dante) that she's not the sort of person who would try to cling to someone who doesn't want her. She'd move on with her life, but she needs to know first that there's real reason to do so. I understand that in part Dan isn't leveling with her because he fears for her health, but I'm not sure he's got the cojones to do so even if her next medical appointment reveals that she's healthy.

I'm a Dan AND a Mariano fan, but they're both flawed characters (much more so than is Miriam, IMHO), and at times both men drive me up the wall.

 

Thanks so much, Jardinera, for the entertaining and spot-on recap. You had some excellent lines this week and some reminders about the need for beanie-tightening as we wrap up.

I agree with you, Juanita, about Daniel, Miriam and Mariano. I like both of our galans, and see their flaws. Miriam is frustrated, annoyed and surprised by changes in her own feelings. That said, I also feel that we are at the point in the story where all of this takes some leaps of faith and belief in the novela.

So, as you said, J., Mariano sure did launch a defense of Miriam based on few encounters, and Ana prefers for a mother, and Miriam doesn't seem to know what to do with herself -- but we're ten episodes from the end and poetic license is on display. I feel like the writers are taking all of these improbable sets if circumstances -- the upcoming bridal shower/document removal the most unlikely of all -- with as much intelligence as is possible.

I am afraid that this smart novela is ruining me for what else is out there. But I have recovered from other good ones. If you love the form . . . .

If you are celebrating, Easter greetings. The sun is actually shining and it's in the 50's in New Jersey!
 

I totally agree with Juanita up there! ^ Miriam has EVERY right to be upset at Dan for ignoring her & not being as the lovable husband he used to be. A large part of the reason for this is because all the lies he's been telling her and all the excuses he's been making for his sudden distance from her. So of course, she's understandably upset about his cold detachment & uncaring attitude towards her. And he isn't making it any better by being around Cami all the time. He's just too pathetic & a coward to make things right. And as I said yesterday, I approve of Mariano's involvement in Dan's business 'cuz he has to be put in his place and think about his family for a second! It's just isn't fair for them to be put aside for other "FAR MORE important things" like Cami's situation. Like, first of all, she can take care of herself & she doesn't need HIM as her "White Knight" as he wishes to be. She's also got people and Mariano one's of them, oh well, deal with it! What I really disliked was when he told Mariano "Why da hell do u care about my wife??!" < Like, really??? Wow, that says a lot about you, Dan. It's so sad that that's how you're handling this situation. What this says about him is that he's so blinded by his own (for lack of better words) ego & rage that he's forgotten the decent values of putting his wife & family first before his jerk self. In other words, this makes HIM look bad because clearly he does not care about them at all while Mariano does 'cuz he's awesome.

~ posted by not-a-dan-fan.
 

Tks Jar for part 1

I don't find Miriam clingy at all. She is just wondering what has happened to her previous horndog husband, who was always attentive. Now he avoids congressing, is never there, his mind is elsewhere.
She is beginning to realize that he has fallen out of love with her & she is caring less. I hope it lessens the pain when she knows the truth.

I am so sad for Pablo, he loves Luzma so much. But we know everything is going to be ok.
 

Thanks so much for the first part of your recap Jardinera. I am so sorry you had to deal with two of the vilest characters in this TN (and in many I've seen) at their lowest and most reprehensible. Leo needs to be caught soon and I hope some how that Luzma quickly recovers.
 

Jardinera - I was grossly disgusted while watching the scenes with el cerdo, but reading your recap with your spot-on descriptions ("tongueless tio mentally licks his lips") actually gave me chills (not in a good way)! I saw how creepy he was, but you made me FEEL the creepiness and disgust - ugh! Great job!

Soyyo
 

Thanks for part 1. I'm finally home from work and can sit down and enjoy my TN discussion.

I thought the conversation that Dan and Miriam had was a good one. It's been long coming and it was a good start. He told her how difficult it is to return to life as before, since so much has happened to him since her coma, and she said she's not necessarily going to put up with this new life. Exactly as things should be said. Once the doctor gives the ok about Miriam's health, I can see Dan telling her everything and then more discussion about their future.

Leo is just a sick mess and needs to be dealt with. I see death in his future.

Dion. Another sick mess and Cam better not even contemplate his offer. That has to be in the NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, NO MATTER WHAT category. Even if it's the only way to get her mother out of jail, she better not ever say she will do it.
 

I think the only significance of Yago's bloodtest was leaving his phone free. Not sure about the hooker other than letting us know he didn't change his womanizing and having someone, or someone's friend, see him.

Loriloo
 

Loriloo, that's how I interpreted the information too, but others were talking like he definitely has an STD, that's why I asked if they watched ahead and know that he does have one.
 

Jar--Part I rocked; can't wait for Part II. Well, yes I can, something for tomorrow.

I was wondering, too, how Dio can just show up with all the paperwork and innocently declare that the papers had been misplaced and everything is on the up and up and Gussy can go free. So lame.

Leo is a case of locking the barn door after the horse's a** is back in the barn. I hope Luzma is safely inside the big house, up on the second floor. That leaves Pie and Cam vulnerable, but I think his loathesomeness stops short of *doing* his sister or the patrona. OTOH, he's probably pretty horny at this point and anybody would substitute if he can't get his hands on Luzma. I can't see him waiting for a few more days to get her by herself. Uggh.

Loriloo--I'm with you. That blood test was a set up so Nat could see Iago's phone. Makes sense to me.

I'm so glad Miriam and Dan started to *talk.* True, Dan was doing a minuet around the real truth, but he isn't outright lying anymore. He still has major guilt over wanting to raise his daughter, but not be with a woman he no longer loves yet he can't see himself leaving his daughter to be raised without him in order to stay with the woman he loves. I think it will be Miriam that makes up his mind for him.

SN was on fire last night. She does furious so well. Oddly, El Slimo never broke a sweat and carried on with his little delusion that Camila only needs to give him an opportunity to be "with" her and she'd definitely never go back to Dan. Puleeze, deluded pervert.

Aye, aye, Juanita. I think we are all fans of Dan AND Mariano. But we long ago decided that Mariano is just to bland for a fireball like Camila and that she and Dan were tempermentally well matched. We can only hope that the way this is all tied up at the end, Mariano will be happy without Camila.

The two men were just rattling antlers when they met on the sidewalk--they were just saying the first things that came into their heads without thinking. When Dan turned to leave, it was written all over Camila's face that separating from Dan and keeping him at arms' length was the right thing to do for her head, but not her heart.

 

Jardinera- I loved Part 1. ITA with those who said your description of disgusting Leo really captured those scenes.

Is it crazy that I am still planning on making arroz con leche after watching Leo dig his nasty hands through Piedad's arroz con leche? LOL! I have been craving it since Piedad said she was making up a batch for Camila last episode. I really hope someone accidently knocks the container off the stove before it's served to anyone!

Our two male villains were really at their disgusting worst last night. Both think they own these two women- Camila and Luzma. Poor Luzma looked like she was having a breakdown when she heard the news about Leo. What a nightmare.

Cathyx- I also really liked the conversation between Dan and Miriam. It was the most honest and open one they have had so far. Without coming right out and saying he loves Camila, Dan admitted that his experiences, after he thought she was dead, in Mexico, have changed him and changed his feelings for her. And Miriam got to express to him that this is unacceptable to her. She wants a husband who can use the verb amar, not just querrer, when he refers to her.

Unfortunately, Dan is still letting his guilt and fears get in the way of telling the whole truth, and is also still trying to fool himself into thinking that once they are back in Chile, he can go back to being his old self. Not going to happen Dan.
 

Anita, your take on Dion had me laughing. He is a deluded pervert, he thinks all Camila needs to turn her opinion around is a night with him. It doesn't matter how much she tells him that she thinks he's gross and disgusting, it doesn't matter what he's done to her mother and that she's doing what is necessary to free her from jail, once she has sex with him, she will want to be his. And he wants to take care of her because she enchants him like no other. (I'm shuddering as I type this.) What an ego.



 

Anita- I see we were writing at the same time, amiga. Loved your comments.

Were you out and about in this fabulous weather we had today? I only recently reluctantly came inside. Yay! Spring! :)
 

Vivi, I had the same thoughts about the scene when Leo stuck his hand in the rice and ate it. You know those hands are so disgustingly dirty, it would make me vomit if I knew he had his hand in the rice before it was served to me. I hope they threw it away too.
 

I'm in Oregon and we had sunny weather in the 80's today, totally not normal for here. Too bad I had to be inside for all of it.
 

Wow! 80s! We were in the 60s, but that was warm enough to get me out today.
 

80s in Oregon. Wow! It was 77 degrees in Cocoa Beach with lots of traffic because of Spring Break and the Easter Surfing Festival.
 

Since El cerdo hid in a garbage truck wouldn't they be able to smell him? That's what I thought when he was in the kitchen.
 

I thought of that one, too. It must be pretty bad if he's repulsed by the smell.
 

Oooh! Great Part 2 Jardinera. You really gave us all the details of the indecent proposal conversation. Yes indeed, both Cam and the audience had quite a few gagging moments during that talk with Dion. Like Camila, I can't even come up with enough words to describe the creepiness of Dion. He's also completely delusional. He seems to seriously think that after one night of "love" with him, Cam will be throwing herself at him. *eyeroll*

I thought it was really sweet how Eleuterio begged la Doctora not to cry after Dion slimed away. Those MQ guys are all so great. I love how Hipolito is 100% sure he'll be able to get that briefcase.
 

Thanks for the recapped parts so far. We also have to remember that Dan still thinks that he had no choice, that he had to stay with Mir to keep her from dying. He was told that she couldn't handle stress which means no sudden changes. He didn't choose Mir over Cam because he wanted to, he thought that it was a life and death situation where he had no choice.
 

Netgirl- That's the fear that I mentioned. It's both guilt about his changed feelings for Mir and his feelings for Cam and not wanting to hurt Mir's feelings. And also real fear of doing her medical harm.
 

Anita- I just saw your late post on the last recap. I believe cap 166 was a 2 hour finale in Mexico. So it looks like they'll break it up on two separate nights here in the US-- Thursday will be 166 part 1, and Friday the 12th will be 166 part 2.
 

There! It's finally finished!!!!! Thank gawd the fin is a one hour deal this time. These intense conversations are exhausting! I'm ready for a couple of hours vegging on the beach or poolside. It's been a cool and crappy-ish spring down here in SW FL. No snow, but lots of chilly weather and rain.
 

Great stuff, Jardinera.

The only way the heist of the briefcase could work is if someone can get it to Juarez fast enough that he would have a warrant and be en route to arrest El Diablo as he gets home. Ideally, that would be while the party is still winding down so nobody there would be in danger.

Who else is betting that El Diablo takes the briefcase with him on the day of the bachelorette party? What about those security cameras nobody else knows about?

As for Dante, I think he wants to stay in Mexico as much as Daniel doesn't want to leave it. He took a few days to explore, loves the food and the hospitality, and has no family back home. I think he will ultimately decide to stay.

Guess of the day: Miriam is going to ask for a divorce before Daniel tells her anything.
 

Thanks for all the parts Jardinera. It sounds like you need to come up to Oregon to get the warm sunny weather. Terrific job on those intense conversations. Dan and Miriam's and Cam and Dion's.

I really feel for Dan and Miriam. They both expressed very well exactly what position they are in and how they are feeling about it. Once the doctor gives them the clean bill of health, I expect the rest of the story to come out.
 

I have been wondering also about how taking the briefcase illegally is going to help them in their case against Dion. Maybe Mexican law doesn't have any issue about illegally attained proof.
With less than 10 episodes left, I can't see how Dion takes the briefcase with him and the scoobies still have time to get evidence. Maybe those phone records can still pop up and maybe the cleared up recording will come through.


 

In view of how Mexican justice works as in Guilty Until Proven Otherwise, I don't know that they would have the same rules of evidence as the US. If that were the case I think Becerra would have said something by now.

Natalia is theoretically in charge when the party is in progress, the guests are there by invitation, and El Diablo permitted the party. He can't accuse anyone of breaking and entering. However, knowing how much action is often packed into the last ten episodes, I don't think we're going there. I think he will take the briefcase with him when he leaves before the party.
 

Jardinera- Thanks for the last part, and the details of the deep conversation between Dan and Miriam. Now, go take a needed rest!

10 hours to go till our happily ever after, and the writers are raising the stakes and turning on the pressure, as to be expected in the final two weeks. I think they will only continue to do so, so I am not expecting this briefcase heist to go off without a hitch.

Camila, Dan, and Luzma are all being driven to their breaking points. Gussy, Cayetano, and Natalia are all facing life-changing consequences of their blindness and stupidity. Mariano, Teresa and Dante are all at a turning point in giving up their impossible loves, and opening themselves up to new love.

Vivi and Rafa seem like the only ones who are settled (well, along with Piedad&Hip and Dorotea&Eleuterio). Rafa has given up his preconceived ideas about adopting an older child and opened up his mind and heart to Roman, and fulfilled Vivi's dream. I wish that Vivi would do the same and let go of her Bruno-induced fears about marriage, and help fulfill Rafa's dreams of marriage.

 

Thanks so much, Jar, for this magnificent recap. Even though I thought I understood much of what was happening, the details of the recap helped me see a lot that I hadn't fully grasped.

I confess that I don't have any idea how the Scoobies' plans will turn out. If UA's guess is right about Dio's taking his briefcase with him when he turns the house over to Natalia for her bachelorette party, the Scoobies will be thwarted AND Dio will have their attempt on tape.

What I'm most curious about is what Natalia said to Aaron. How will he figure into her plan (whatever that plan is)?

Now how am I going to explain to my houseguests Tuesday evening that I'm sorry, even though we haven't seen each other in a long time, I simply cannot pay attention to you from 10 PM to 11 PM? :-) (Yes, I know, I'll tape the episode -- unless my impatience overwhelms my manners :-) )
 

Juanita, I'm sure if you fill them in on the story and everything that has happened, they will want to watch it with you.
 

Don't know Mexican law, but in US law, the "exclusionary rule" only applies if law enforcement either illegally obtains the evidence itself or (less certain here) arranges for its illegal production. Here the scoobies haven't told Juarez anything so IF the rule in Mexico is similar, the evidence could be used (and the prosecutor would be able to use discretion in deciding whether to pursue charges on the theft). Dio could theoretically sue civilly for the theft, but he couldn't claim his jail time as damages so it would be pointless.
Dan and Co. are probably on thinner ice with the evidence (like Alonso's voice file) that they are withholding.
Speaking of prosecutors, Cesar Evora didn't always play twisted, incestuous predators. Remember his turn in the nineties Corazon Salvaje? I've only seen the butchered DVD version, but I'm told that his part was more substantial in the full version.
Jardinera, thanks so much for sorting out the nuances of the conversations. very helpful with the exchange between Dan and Miriam in particular.
What part of sw fl, neighbor? Has a beach picnic on Siesta Key last Monday with cousins from Tennessee. Poor kids. The cold front that stopped play at the Orlando golf tournament had cut short one of their Disney days. The same front dropped temps here but mostly brought high, gusty winds. It was the little one's first time at the beach and they were shivering even with windbreakers. Oh well, all the bundling meant they were probably our first northern visitors to not to end up looking like cooked Lobsters.
Chris in FL
 

Chris- Since I only started to seriously watch tns in the last 3-4 years (since discovering CarayCaray), I have mostly only seen Cesar in good roles (Triunfo de Amor; Llena de Amor; and En Nombre del Amor), or playing a rogue (Abismo de Pasion). This is the first time I've seen him play one of his famous villainous perverts. I have to say, he's very good at playing both the good guy, and the extremely bad guy. Doesn't seem to me that he's been stereotyped since the majority of his roles in the last 5 years have been good guys.
 

WHAT? I can't believe people still giving Drama Queen Dan a pass saying he's not "outright lying." A lie is a lie is a lie, for whatever reason. It's the same as saying you are a little pregnant. You're not just a "little" pregnant. You are or you are not. And Dan is still lying having no balls to tell the truth.

Even people on their death beds deserve the truth.
 

Chris in FL: Naples/Ft. Myers. I'm a recent St. Louis, MO transplant. LOL! I need to add red tide to the lousy winter weather also.
 

Urban A: I half agree that it will be too easy for the good guys to retrieve that briefcase till near the very last episodio or so. I expect a lot of hijinks before then and actually am looking forward to it! The unexpected is what has kept this telenovela alive and so attractive.
 

Juanita and Cathyx? We will have to agree to disagree regarding Mir's clingy attitude. I agree that she says she won't put up with someone who wants nothing to do with her. Camila has a professional life and a family life that she balances. Miriam could learn a lot from her. On the other hand, Mir's gotten to spend time with Mariano and Ana and Dante and Abe while he was there. Abe's out of the picture for a while. The neediness was there but now she says it isn't that strong, which to me is good news. It's because she's widened her horizons a bit, and doesn't realize it. Maybe there's a school of thought that says husbands must be super attentive and stick like glue, checking in before they do anything out of the ordinary. as long as I get a call, I could care. Mine has never been expected to be at my beck and call and perhaps it's cuz he worked such long hours all his life. Maybe not. So perhaps I got used to my "independence" early on. perhaps it is a cultural thing? Dunno.
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Jardinera654 said...
Anon.11:31AM -- Yes, Dan is a coward when it comes to his lady loves, that's his tragic flaw. But perhaps we should give him a pass because it was obvious he was forcibly tongue-tied due to the fear he has from the lie the doctor that Dio blackmailed told him and Dante,that anything shocking could cause a deadly stroke for Miriam.
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ViviDC: IMHO you could add Mir to both lists of those losing their impossible loves and entering into life-changing circumstance, getting ready to realize a new love--Mariano.


 

Jardinera- ITA. Miriam is at a crossroads as well, for sure. She has some hard decisions to make about Daniel and their marriage. Even if there were no other woman involved, she has realized that the Dan of today is not the same man she married.

Once they finally decide to end things, when the whole truth about their feelings for each other, and Dan's relationship with Camila, are all out in the open, Dan and Miriam will have a hard decision to make about how they co-parent Agatha if Miriam returns to Chile. Dan has said from the beginning that he never wants to be separated from his child, the way that his father wasn't a part of his life. That's going to be a difficult discussion for him and Miriam to have.
 

Thank you, Jardinera. I have been checking in between making meals for and driving/squiring Easter guests for several days. I understand your Tuesday night situation, Juanita! I love my company, but miss my novela discussion.

Given how tightly this is scripted, with no wasted moments or signals, I agree that the briefcase caper will have complications, perhaps with Dio taking it with him. There was that little bit of a snafu when Omar saw Natalia entering her new house and, though she recovered nicely, Dio may still think something is up. Then there was the false ring to his hilarity regarding the bachelor party -- way too pleasant and jovial, I thought. Just so nothing happens to mi favorito Hipolito!

Vivi is so right -- to the brink for many of our characters and taking us with them.

Interesting speculation, Urban, that Miriam will ask for a divorce before she knows the truth. Hmmm. I have to ponder that one.
 

Vivi, I agree that Dan would not want to be so far away from his daughter. That's another reason that I think it is likely that the Miriam/Mariano pairing will occur. It leaves both of these two deserving characters happy, and it means that Dan will not be far from Agata.
 

Thanks for part 3 Jardinera.

Adding to UA's guess, when I saw Mir storm off to the bathroom, my first thought was that she will find the picture now (again this is speculation on my part).

Based on the preview perhaps Iago may be redeemed. It seemed Mariano was telling him how Isa was drugging their Dad and Iago looked horrified. Now we know part of this will be for his own self-interest but deep down I believe he loves his Dad.
 

Why is everyone so sure that Miriam and Mariano a fait accompli?

Daniel's problem is the fear of causing Miriam death; once he finds out that Mir is not sick; he'll come clean without a second thought.

The trip to Chile from Mexico is only 8 hours; both Miriam and Daniel can share Agatha traveling to both continent. Miriam doesn't necessarily have to reside in Mexico in order for Daniel to have a healthy relationship with his daughter.

And besides, Camilla can give Dan a child - not that one child can substitute another - but a child from Cam can alleviate the pain of being away from Agatha.

Dio is a lot smarter than Scooby gang #2. Scooby gang #1 was able to channel Dio's thinking and plan to counteract, but without the input of Dan and Aaron the briefcase heist might be for nada.

Cam is too desperate for her mom to be out so Dio has her exactly where he wants her; only Augustina might be able to save Cam from this humiliation--which is why I think Augustina's cellmate is jailed for protecting her daughter--her story is the door to Augustina's next act.


 

Miriam should expect more consideration. She & Dan hadn't been married that long. She was in a coma for months and thought dead so Dan s/b extra attentive. They were so thrilled when they found out she was pregnant. So the only reason he is not, is that he has changed.

I can't imagine Pablo being that way.
 

Vivi--yes I was out--in the garden getting it ready for a really showy spring. My daffodils, dutch iris and primroses are out, the forsythia is about to burst open, and the dogwood buds are getting bigger. Befor I can say Jack in the Beanstock, I'll be planting tomatoes, beans and basil.
 

Variopinta- It's hard to compare Dan-Miriam to Pablo-Luzma because Luzma didn't die. That was really the game changer, and the fault of that lies completely with Abe. He really changed the course of Dan and Mir's relationship.

As for the pregnancy...Dan's feelings haven't changed. He's over the moon about Agatha and can't get enough of her. She's likely a big part of why Dan is continuing with this farce.

Anon 1:54- ITA that Dan and Miriam can be co-parents in different countries. Although in the early years, when Agatha is too young to travel by herself, it will likely be Dan who will miss out on some big milestones in her early life. That's hard for any parent (who really cares) to take. And especially so for Dan who is very sensitive to the issue of being out of his child's life and separated by a country. It will seem all to similar to his own childhood growing up with his mother in Chile, while his father was in Mexico. Of course he is nothing like deadbeat dad FX, but that doesn't mean he won't feel that way and be extra-sensitive about being separated from his daughter.
 

Sue--The smell eminating from Leo would have been terrible and it would have lingered. However, seeing as his hair had been shampooed, he probably took a dip in the LMQ pond before raiding the kitchen. Nevertheless, I choked at the idea of *his* hands in the arroz con leche, too.

Those were Pan Dulces (slightly sweet yeast rolls) that Leo took. They serve as breakfast, lunch and dinner bread for guys that need a high calorie count. But mostly it is served warm for breakfast with coffee. That's what Isa sent the cook out for when she wanted to cook up her LP#10.
 

I don't mean to say the situation is the same for Dan & Pablo. But just think if your pareja was gravely ill & recovered, wouldn't you want to spend all time you could with them, at least for awhile, knowing you could have lost them?

I'm not criticizing Dan, things have changed & he can't help the way he feels. It just makes Miriam feel like mierda & he doesn't even really want to go to bed with her.
 

Anita:
"Nevertheless, I choked at the idea of *his* hands in the arroz con leche, too." ITSA!!!!

 

Just finished making my batch of arroz con leche....it's delicious! My chosen method for eating it is with a spoon, not my hands, like Leo. :)
 

Variopinta, you asked: "But just think if your pareja was gravely ill & recovered, wouldn't you want to spend all time you could with them, at least for awhile, knowing you could have lost them?"

I think if my husband were shot and in a coma, and I was unjustly arrested for shooting him and thrown in prison and then told that he had died, and I escaped from prison, fled to another country, eventually fell deeply in love with someone else, married him, had a romantic honeymoon, and then my supposedly dead husband suddenly appeared, no, I don't think I'd want to leave my second husband in order to spend all the time I could with supposedly-dead husband number 1. I think I'd be terribly torn, as Dan is.
 

Exactly, but Miriam doesn't know any of this. The reason I am disputing the clingy label.
 

I'd forgive any clingyness on Miriam's part given the circumstances. We don't know (or don't remember) what she did jobwise before the shooting and coma. But post-coma, she suddenly has a baby and health issues to take care of. Finding a job and hobbies wouldn't exactly be priority numero uno. It makes sense that she centers on family to the exclusion of most other things. She's making friends again (Mariano) but has no ability yet in Mexico to jump start a career, so what else would be her focus but her husband? Nice to see them finally talking to each other like adults though and setting her up to be a lot tougher than anyone, esp. Dan and Abraham, think. I just hope she's told before finding the photo. She deserves a little honesty from someone besides Mariano.

Side note: Arroz con leche may be ruined for me, at least for a little while. With or without a utensils.

Kelly
 

Variopinta, I guess I lost sight of the fact that you were disputing the description of Miriam as "clingy." I'm definitely in agreement with you about that (as you can see in my message of Sat., Mar. 30, 2:16 PM).
 

Juanita,
I don't think I express my thoughts very well.
 

Variopinta, I do NOT agree with you here! The up side of having the entire weekend to comment is that people don't feel rushed, and there's time for more comments. I really like that. But the down side is that it's sometimes hard to keep in mind what everyone has said. So please don't blame yourself for my not remembering everything you said. (Heck, sometimes I don't even remember everything that I've said! :-)
 

Variopinta, I think you do express yourself very well, and I have agreed with your comments on these subjects.
 

I changed my mind. I don't want Leo to take out Isa, first. I want him gone NOW!!!

Could Nat be asking to go with Aaron, just to get away? Probably not likely. She'd want to be with friends/family when the baby is born.

Nanette
 

Nanette, I can't even fathom what plan Nat has come up with that involves Aaron.

And I want Isadora to spend the rest of her life in jail.
 

Highpoints:

Pablo cancels on NG.
Nice Cam/Luz sister moment.
Pablo decides it would be harder not to see Luz than to see her.
Mariano begins to acknowledge he might have feelings for Miriam.
Awww!! My absolute fav couple: Dan and the Budgekin.
Miriam rubs Mariano’s white knightness in Dan’s face.
Caye is mojo juice free and takes control.
Miriam has to see another doctor.
Abe is getting out of jail soon.
My fav couple sighting.
Dan and Cam get to share a hug.
Nat sees a suspicious text message from Dio to Iago.
A nice Os/Agustina moment.
Dan comforts Cam.
Luz seems to FINALLY get through to Nat. She also convinces her NOT to confront Dio. Whew!!!
A nice moment between Pablo and Piedad.
Caye’s back!!!! “No” to turning over the ranch to Isa. She is NOT happy.
Isa’s about to explode. Oh goody! That I’d like to see.
Dan says what everyone’s thinking--except, apparently, Cam?--that Dio wants her along with LMQ.
Caye’s reasoned arguments do not seem to placate Isa.
Cam is in full tiger mode. She’s awesome in her fierceness (see LP).
Nat eavesdrops on the convo between Yago and Dio that finally reveals the truth to her.
Poor Nat finally learns (what Viewerville knew freakin’ YEARS ago) what Dio’s real motivations are. Now she can begin the beguine.
Dan nearly spills the beans when he mentions his sacrifice.
Miriam continues to add to her “things are not right” clue box.
Nat plays it cool with Dio and Yago (especially liked her faking being glad to see Y—well done, Nat).
The LMQ branch of the Scoobies are awesome.
Nat rejoins the Scoobies.
Agustina and Carmela bond. A’s going to need her friendship to survive.
Hipolito asks his buds to take care of his family if anything happens to him.
Dante asks Teresa to consider a relationship between the two of them.
Bittersweet moment between Ana, Miriam and Dan.
Nat tells her mama how much she loves her.
Re: Isa. Leo escapes.
Vivi gives Dan a lecture on decisions having consequences.
Yago wants to work for Dio. Anvil for him.
Nat puts the plan in motion.
Nice moment between Nat and Rodolfo.
Mariano is about to say something interesting to Miriam.
Bit of a light moment in the kitchen as Hipolito and Rodolfo laugh at Eleutario re: Dorotea.
Leo begins stalking Isa.
Hipolito comforts Piedad.
Pablo finds Luz before Leo has a chance to get her.
Miriam says she doesn’t miss Dan as much when he’s not around, like she used to. As Jar says, she needs more to do. Like maybe mothering two daughters and running the household of a certain rancher.
Agustina continues her soul searching and self-responsibility acceptance.
Dio’s arrogant, delusional, obsessional idea that one night with him will make Cam worship him is going to be his downfall.
Dan gets as close as he’s ever been to telling Miriam the truth re: how his life in Mexico has changed him, etc.
The Scoobies are hoping to get the briefcase so Cam won’t have to sleep with the Pig.
Miriam is honest with Dan about how she feels about their current relationship and also that he’s not telling her everything. And still no exploding head.
Teresa finally gets it that Mariano will never be hers.
FINALLY, the news reaches LMQ that Leo has escaped.
Leo leaves LMQ.

Even more Budgekin and Dan/Budgekin sightings than recorded above. One of the few times I really really like Dan.
 

Low Points:

Though she is a bit of a twit, was sad to see Nat heartbroken with the one/two punch Dan and Amanda gave her.
After Nat remembers the horrible way Yago treated her when she told him about the baby, she remembers times when he was nice and loving (Viewerville knows it was because he was about to get some).
Vivi spills the beans to Cam about Dan leaving.
Cam flashes back to her happy moments with Dan, which makes her—and Viewerville--sad.
The bank account in Agustina’s name is empty and she’s being sent to hard time jail.
Estevez is putting the screws on Dio.
Cam gets the news about her mama.
Glitch in Rafa and Vivi’s adoption of Roman.
HATE….SMUG…..B*****D…DIO.
Sad scene with Cam/Agustina.
Seems Teresa is still hung up on Mariano.
Another sad Cam/Agustina moment—humming to each other (I’m tearing up just thinking about it).
OK. Enough already. Heartbreaking scene as Agustina asks Dan to take care of Cam and Cam waves goodbye as the car drives away.
Re: Dio. See above. And multiply that a gazillion times.
Cam is in full tiger mode and may play right into Dio’s hands by being too emotional.
Al’s tape could not be cleaned up and now must be sent to Mexico City.
Dona Chonita blew town.
Piedad says they should have a fiesta celebrating the new bulls. Sort of not a good idea right now.
Rodolfo*sigh* is sad seeing Eleutario/Dorotea and Piedad/Hipolito hugging.
Our poor Pablo and Rodolfo are sad seeing the happy couples.
Montage of Agustina being processed.
Cam’s sad montage.
Isa gets new herbs and talks to a notorio about updating Caye’s will.
Yago throws a tantrum. He’s being pushed on two sides. Fear that will make him “dangerous”.
Mariano tells Dan that his help is not wanted and I’m livid. What freakin’ nerve.
Re: Luz. Leo escapes.
Nat has a plan of her own.
Isa starts poisoning Caye again.
Leo is thinking about “Luzmita”. NO. NO. NO.
Ana interrupts her dad before he can say something interesting to Miriam.
Isa is making a fake will for Caye.
Leo is heading toward LMQ.
Luz tells Piedad she needs to leave on her own. Piedad agrees. Then sobs when Luz leaves her alone in the kitchen.
Dan and Mariano have a faceoff.
Mariano thinks he has a right to tell Dan how to treat Miriam.
Leo spies Luz.
Luz tells Pablo she wants a divorce.
Leo keeps calling Luz “mine” which is making me rather sick to my stomach.
Cam says Dio is more important than Pablo losing the love of his life?
Leo put his dirty, disgusting hands in the rice dish (so hoping Dorotea would knock the thing over, ugh!!!)
OS DECIDES TO GO OVER AND GIVE THE LEO NEWS PERSONALLY AND NOT PHONE IMMEDIATELY. LEO THE LETCH HAS BEEN MISSING SINCE THE AFTERNOON. WHAT’S WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!!!!!!
Dio, of course, insists on talking outside. Kinda dumb of the Scoobies to think he’d speak in a place where dozens could hide easily.
Dio gives the details of how he set up Agustina and how he can clear her, when no one is around to record him.
Dio tells Cam he wants her to sleep with him one night (as well as sign over LMQ).
Dio continues to make Cam and Viewerville sick.
Teresa is not sure she wants to follow Dante to Chile. Go for it, girlfriend.

P.S. Anita. Re: my commentary being on this list instead of the HP list: Dio does something so "low" at a particular point in the story and instead of saying what it is I get writer’s Tourettes and have to go off on him.
 

Nanette--JaJa. De acuerdo. You can go off on Dio anywhere you like.

Have absolutely loved your lists. I'll miss them when it's all over. But...they will live on in the archives.
 

Great list Nanette! It's been quite an interesting week.

Once correction-- It was Pablo who said Dio was more important right now than what's going on with him and Luzma, not Camila. She gave him a big hug right after he said that and then sat him down and started stroking his face. He's the one who was looking for the distraction of the Dio caper, over further discussing the Luzma situation.

I would put Estevez turning up the heat on Dio on the HP list. Although it is causing Dio and Isa to speed up their plans, it's also causing them to make mistakes.

 

Vivi: So much happening now that I'm missing stuff. I need to slow down. :)I misread the recap re: Pablo/Cam--would keep it and put it on HP list to further show Pablo's awesomeness. Estevez turning up the heat should have been on the HP list. I reviewed the lists over and over during the course of the week and STILL missed moving it. Thanks.
 

Nanette:

I want Isa in jail, too and Leo dead (preferably by a male hand, though could be Luzma won't get over him unless she's the one who does him in). However, I want her tongueless like Leo--cosmic justice-- before she goes to trial and jail.
 

I wanted Leo to get revenge on Isa before his demise, but I'm afraid for Luz. So I'd give up that satisfaction to see him gone sooner rather than later.

OT: re: our convo a few days back about limited series. Some of us mentioned AMC's The Killing. Read that there will be a third season after all.
 

I’ve been missing M&M. No, not Miriam and Mariano. Maja and Muñeca! I hope they’re off together, with all the working ranch doggies, flirting with ranch hands, and having adventures between Mariano’s land, BV, and MQ. :)
 

I also miss those darling dogs. I want to see them playing together and cuddling with their humans. But that has to wait until the finale, I guess.
 

Maja with puppies.
 

Yes!! I was hoping during that pet shop scene that Ana would choose a male puppy of the same breed. Those puppies are so adorable.
 

JaR--About to go work in the garden, so I will (fortunately) be brief--about your comment:

.."However, I want her tongueless like Leo--cosmic justice-- before she goes to trial and jail."

Are you sure 'cosmic' wasn't a typo? Didn't you mean 'cosmetic' justice? (That's a haha.)
 

Anita: Ya got me! LOL!
 

I know that Isa has got to be punished for all the wrong that she has done. But for some reason I'm not looking forward to it through the same blood thirsty eyes that I am with Leo and Dio. Their fate can't come soon enough or be bad enough. (For example I was with the viewerville gang who was wishing that the trash compactor had taken Leo out. On the other hand, I find that for some reason I'm not anxious for my favorite villian Isa to meet her fate.
 

Why not? In most ways she is deserving of worse than El Diablo.
 

Interesting discussion about who deserves worse punishment.
Isa hurt Leo very badly by cutting out his tongue. A hideous torture. But no one likes him so it doesn't feel as a bad as if it were done to a good guy. She also mistreated Alonso and killed him along with Ximena, but we didn't like them so much either. Her crimes are very bad, but we didn't necessarily like her victims anyway. So perhaps that's why Foxy doesn't want revenge as much against her as she does with Dion, who is hurting our good guys.
 

Cathyx: interesting theory about Isa and Dio's victims and type of justice. The only reason why I don't want Isa's fate to be prison, is that she's smart enough to escape. Hey, if Leo can do it, you know it will be a cakewalk for Isa.
 

Dio must die!!!!
 

I'd like them both to rot in jail and feel the humiliation of jail. Dying is too easy and without suffering.
 

foxy, cathyx, are y'all feeling alright?
Hello? "didn't like her victims"? Padre Baldo anyone?
If y'all don't think Isadora doesn't deserve the worst the screenwriters can come up with, well, I'm not saying you are bad people, but I do disagree with your judgment on this.
A lot.
Whatever the writers can come up with plus some stuff the Saw movies discarded as too vile and maybe she starts to get close to what she deserves.
Mercy, like forgiveness, is for the victims to grant. Too many of Isadora's aren't in a position to give her any mercy -- because she killed them -- for her to have any clemency coming her way, at least in this life.
By most accounts, even "unmerited" Christian forgiveness insists on contrition and it is very hard to imagine genuine remorse from Isadora.
Chris in FL
 

Leoncerdo wasn't in solitary confinement. I'm actually surprised at that because of his violent behavior.
 

Chris in Florida, I didn't say I agreed with Foxy on justice, just trying to understand it. And Foxy didn't say she didn't want justice, she just didn't have the venomous hatred for Isa that Dion elicited in her. The victims I mentioned were not well liked. Don't pick nits.
I don't believe in capital punishment, that's my personal opinion. it may not be yours, but we are all entitled to an opinion and no ones is more right than others in this regard.
 

Oops, cathyx, sorry, didn't read closely enough.
and foxy, Isa is fun, I can understand wanting to see her around til the end, just hope she's not enjoying it at all. Maybe she could end up like Al, and Chayo could be serving her time in the prison infirmary...
I'm actually very mild mannered irl, don't think human prosecutors and judges are nearly infalible enough to be trusted with life and death decisions, think it is ridiculous to send children away for life sentences, etc., but when it comes to what Isadora deserves (as opposed to what I would trust any government to dole out) its Dante time (and I'm not talking about Teresa's quasi-novio).
Chris in FL
 

Remember that Hissadora killed Padre Baldomero and enjoyed every second of that.

She has tried to kill Camila and I'm guessing she will try again.

She enjoyed murdering Alonso and Ximena. She may also try to kill her stepsons.

Life without parole is the most that Mexican justice can do.
 

I know I'm late to the party (it's already Monday) nbut I'm sure that Mariano and Mirium have found each other for the sole purpose of having baby Agatha near to both mother and father. In fact, that may be why they veered away from having her end up with the Chilean dude whose name excapes me right now.
MollyC