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Hmmm.....looks like I may be in the minority here so far. I didn't find Cam's response to Miriam so bitchy. Miriam showed a lot of nerve (IMHO) in asking but shouldn't be surprised at the response.

Just as we've come to expect from this TN, it was unusual for all of Agustina's accusers not to fold when asked by Cam to back off. Usually, they would've felt badly for Gussie and all would have been forgiven. It's good to see this twist on this TN. What's gonna happen to Our Lady in Lavendar? The writers won't let her rot in jail, but how will she get out? Hmmmmm
 

Paquita, I'm with you. For me, we have two equally deserving to be Daniel's wife. Beside, Cam is more emotionally invested on Daniel. She is the current wife no matter what, Miriam was supposed to be dead. Beside with a full plate in Cam's hand she would really be a b.... when approached with this kind of questioning. I am more compassionate towards her than Miriam. You're right 5ft, they're kinda dragging this scene towards the end.
 

Thank you, 5 Footer, for an entertaining and speedy recap.

Who would have thought that BratGirl™ would have turned into NiceGirl™? I had no idea she had it in her. I guess the presence of pure evil, in the form of Isadora, scared her straight.

I think it’s about time that someone finally told ComaGirl™ that she was out of place ‘cause she sure does that a LOT. Way to go, CamilaGirl™. I thought her answer was perfect.

Yay for NewGirl™! She knows nuts when she sees it, and it was sitting right in front of her when she was talking to LuzGirl™.

I think that LittleGirl™ Ana is quite the junior actress. In contrast to Roman, she shines. I’ve come to really like that kid.

So here is Daniel (aka Not-a-Girl™?), who can’t find a job for the life of him while he’s in Chile, and yet while he’s about ten thousand miles away, he gets hired over the phone? Or without an interview at all? What kind of crazy place is Chile, anyhow? ;)

I think that Augustina’s accusers were all fired up by Dio’s phone calls. That’s why they didn’t back down for Camila or Teresa.

Timeline check:
Hoy: four days before the wedding
Sabado: Naty and her little rat’s wedding, earliest that gota analysis may be ready
Domingo: Leave for Chile en masse. Or not.
Lunes: Gota analysis ready for sure.

 

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Another thought just occurred to me. Why not have the scooby-doo gang just tell Nat to walk up to her dad & ask him to reveal what's inside of his suitcase if that's "not a problem" to him? Wouldn't that be smart? First, 'cuz she's the daughter, so he can't deny her access to his place & also there shouldn't be any problem of doing that for her if he's not guilty of anything & has nothing to hide from her, right? So he'd have no choice but to open up the suitcase & be exposed for who he is! Ta-da! No? Too easy? :/ And, just in case he'd dare do any harm on her, have her be accompanied by Dan (of course, it has to be him) so that she's not put in any danger. :P Or the police. I dunno.

Also, smart move by Dio, by the way, when it occurred to him that they could use his fingerprints against him & expose him even though it raised some suspicions on him for deciding against it. Smart guy, he's no dummy. Ay, Augustina, why'd you have to let your guard down? :/

~ posted by not-a-dan-fan.
 

As for Issadora (aka Hiss-adora), what do ya'll guys think's gonna happen to her? Well, so far it's looking like, yes, the rapist will eventually break out of jail & exact his revenge on her 'cuz the writers just couldn't move on & forget about him AND they decided to chose the cop-out solution for the villainess. *Sigh* Darn. This shouldn't be the way it ends for her. C'mon! Don't you guys agree that she deserves jailtime for her unforgivable acts & crimes? The end is near, but will it be a satisfying one?

~ posted by not-a-dan-fan.
 

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Definitely Casual!Dan but without the stupid sweater over the shoulders. :)
 

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Kat- Great job on this recap. There was a lot of conversation and you gave us the best parts without going into too much detail.

I’m with those who don’t think Cam’s answer was bitchy. Her tone was brusque but the answer was appropriate. In any case, Miriam’s tone when asking Cam what she felt/feels for Dan was wary—Camila had the right to be wary in her response. She doesn’t have to speak to Miriam or anyone else about her feelings for Dan, Mariano, or the Milkman. As she said, they are HER feelings. What Miriam needs to do is figure out what her husband’s feelings are…

Plus, this conversation isn’t one you have when a person has only one minute before they have to leave, and you’re standing on a street corner. Nor when that person is rushing off to the police station to try to free her beloved mama from mounting fraud charges. I am sure Miriam would have been just as snippy if someone was delaying her going to see her beloved brother in jail the same way.

I like the way the writers are playing around with the image of Dan, Mir, Mar, Cam, Ana, and Agatha as a blended family. Cam and Mar dropping Ana off at Dan-Mir’s house to visit looked like a family. And of course, the recent Mar-Mir time together with both kids. And this episode, Dan and Ana had a sweet moment as he bent down, wiped her tears, and cupped her face to comfort her. As she has seen him as the enemy up till now, it was nice to finally see a bit of bonding between those two.

Oh, and ITA-- Dan looked super hot in that blue t-shirt and jeans. He’s still wearing his MQ belt though. :)
 

Gracias, Kat, for this.

I agree with Vivi; Camila's attitude is not out of line. Her feelings are not Miriam's business. They have nothing to do with what Daniel chooses to do. It is also grossly insensitive of Miriam to ask this when Camila is dealing with her mother's situation and a predatory devil like Dionicio.

As to nobody being sorry to see Ileana go, I say she reaped what she sowed ages ago. She made the phone call that led to Leoncerdo raping Luzma, an act that still has consequences. Believe me when I say that no rape victim ever forgets this no matter what happens later. When Luzma finally gets over it she will get overprotective with her own daughter when the time comes. The dissension between the Albarran brothers is also not a minor thing.

It's also better for Ileana to not be at La Buenaventura because when the shit hits the fan Hissadora will realize who threw it there.
 

Dear 5 ft., I looked forward to your recap. I knew that you would do justice to this episode. Lots of talk and some great scenes.

The scene between Miriam and Camila was so well done ("You can take your sixth sense and . . . .") with little Ana loving them both. So many expressions of love, rivalry and possible pairings now, even with the children.

The scenes between Ana and Miriam were very touching, making me hope that however the adults sort things out, Ana gets some consistent motherly attention. I think we know that it's not going to be a Mariano-Camila pairing, but it is a bit of a stretch to see how Mariano and Miriam suspend their incredible love for Camila and Daniel respectively to get together. It may be as I think Vivi suggested before that it's going to be more a case of a possible pairing or "anos despues".

Nothing too light hearted last night except for the adoption and the joy of watching the THWACK. What a creep Dio is!
 

I think the web of lies is just getting tiresome for Camila, what with everything else on her plate. I agree with her attitude. If everybody else wants to lie, then fine, just don't bring me into it.

And putting little Ana on the spot is so unfair. But I blame the situation, not Miriam, for this.

Of course Dan, Cam, and Miriam aren't perfect. If they were, we'd feel like we were watching a 2D Disney cartoon. The writers have to give them human qualities, but this makes them irritating to Viewerville at times.

I think the writers are doing a great job characterizing the villains too. I loved it when Isadora told Cayetano to drink his coffee.

Carolina, Thanks for the timeline. It looks like that boda episode is going to be fun! Especially since Yago thought-bubbled something about how he wished he could run away and leave Nat at the altar.
 

Traveling Lady- Yes. That slap was nice. I would have liked to see Camila go crazy on him-- slapping an clawing at him had Mariano let her go. Dio would have likely had her arrested for assault right then and there though. His comment to Isa about Cam going from hating him to learning to respect him was so creepy and blech!

It was also really nice to see Vivi and Rafa back to their tickle fights, although I would have preferred a little more "private" tickle time between the adults before Roman joined the mix. Roman will be raised in a very untraditional home-- unmarried, artist parents.
 

It’s Thursday night, It’s Kat’s witty recap –wonderful!

I’m adding my voice with those who thought Cam’s response to Miriam was adequate and appropriate. Miriam had no business questioning Cam about her feelings for Dan; like Cam said those are HER feelings; she doesn’t owe it to anyone not even Daniel. And I also find Miriam coercing Anna into spilling the frijoles out of place – the growing ups are not talking; let’s have a field day bribing/coercing unsuspecting children into talking their minds – thank goodness Anna had her wits about her and walked away.

Both Teresa and Mariano are in the same situation – they both are in love with people who have no interest in them. A few weeks ago, Teresa committed the ultimate sin by asking or telling (depending on how you see) Cam to back off Mariano so that she can put the moves on him – everyone called her aggressive; pushy, beeechy, out of line, not her place, the devil – Teresa became public enemy #1.

On Wednesday night, Mariano told Dan to leave Cam alone; everyone is applauding him; he gained sainthood overnight. DOUBLE STANDARD?

As much as Cam needs a friend’s shoulder right now and rightfully so, I find Mariano’s friendship suffocating; and the way Cam has been attempting to let him down easy or rejecting his offers – gives me the impression that she’s feeling the same way. Sometimes being there for someone means giving them their own space and their autonomy. Right now Mariano is not giving Cam her own space; he’s following her around like a lapdog and pawning his child away to friends. Anyway, that’s my .02.

Myo-
 

Renata/Myo- I was also put off by Mariano telling Dan to back off. It felt too pushy to me. I don't think it upset me as much though because in this situation Cam has been telling Dan to back off too. In the other situation, Mariano wanted Cam around, so Teresa was not expressing Mar's wishes.
 

Yes Vivi, you’re right Mariano was expressing Cam’s sentiments – not his place still; it’s Cam’s place to ripe Dan’s a new one and tell him off if she wishes.

I find both Cam-n-Dan ambivalent about staying away/final goodbyes –they’re both accepting this outcome because that’s what needs to be done but not what they want to do; they are forced into this situation because of circumstances. When Cam came back from seeing her mama, she was looking all over for Dan and appeared ashamed when she asked Mariano for Dan and was visibly disappointed and hurt that he left without telling her. Even though she’s telling him to stay away but when he’s around she doesn’t hate it either.


Myo-
 

Thank you Kat. Congrats on that nice piece about your chocolate business. Between cooking up those delights, rehearsing and performing, AND writing stellar recaps, when do you find time to sleep? It was a talky episode and I found myself hanging onto the [Spanish] captions for dear life because I didn't want to miss details. So thanks for clarifying all the points.

I cheered when Cami told Mir to mind her own beeswax. And no, it wasn't a nice thing to do, but as others have mentioned, Cam is at her wit's end as to how to deal with the situation. Funny thing, I started out not liking Mir, but she's grown on me—the actress and the role. So these interactions have more depth and resonance than when she first arrived on the scene, a somewhat cardboard wife, miraculously risen from out of the past. I don't think she overstepped with her query. I admire her forthrightness in the midst of the web of obfuscation she's tangled up in (through no fault of her own). It was just a tough moment for both of them, and I think, a turning point. The gloves are off now, and the veneer of niceness has worn thin.

I love that Augie's situation is messier than the usual TN; it's going to take some careful lawyering to spring her. But really, there is evidence if they care to look. The victims did hand over checks and there are bank records of those transactions. But the wheels of justice move slowly and as Carolina pointed out, we have a tight timeline menacing the good guys.

You don't suppose Juarez could get prints off the pen that el Diablo used to sign his statement? I noticed that he pocketed it promptly after the signing when Big Daddy refused to get ink on his thumb.
 

That pen is likely to have multiple sets of fingerprints on it. The shape is also not optimum for the situation; a clever attorney could get past this one.

A flat surface would give better prints and ink the best available.
 

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I actually don't think Miriam was out of line in asking Camila what the deal is. Every time Camila passes gas, Daniel runs to her side. She finds a "C" necklace in her house and witnessed a lovers spat. She recalls the little girl saying that Camila was Daniel's wife, not her (Miriam). Camila was distraught when their husband was on death's door. This is not normal behavior for someone who doesn't have an emotional involvement.

And if Camila can talk that harshly to Miriam and Miriam's not doing the Fred G. Sanford then Miriam can be told the truth.

But, I don't think they're not telling Miriam the truth because of her health, they're not telling Miriam the truth because they don't want to admit they got married. They figure they won't have to deal with it if Miriam/Dan would just go back to Chile already.

Augustina, you are so screwed.
 

Anon - How I love the Fred G. Sanford reference! I always think of Isadora and Dio as Natasha and Boris (another set of inept but dangerous crooks, from Rocky and Bullwinkle). Some of us watched a lot of TV as kids!

Yes, Miriam can take a lot. When young and clearly healthy, she stood up to her family in marrying Daniel. I wonder what the next trip to the doctor will reveal, given that Dio may be too distracted to make sure that she gets to the same crooked doc.

 

Here's hoping it's a different doctor.

I wonder whether any of the characters realize that she's heard several horrible things so far and not collapsed from any of them.
 

I don't think that what Pablo is doing is stupid at all. He's informing his wife that he will leave to give her space, but he is not leaving HER.

Because the fact of the matter is, if he stayed, SHE'd leave.

What LUZMA is doing is stupid and I don't think it all has to do with the rape. I don't think she's that comfortable being in Pablo's world...hence why I think she ran back to the servant's quarters. Camila would've gladly let her stay in the big house but Luzma is going back to where she feels most comfortable...the servants quarters.

Mayalen is thirsty and licking her chops at the chance to be with Pablo but she's going to learn that Pablo is like his big brother Mariano...when they have eyes for A, they aren't even thinking about B.

Camila and Luzma are A; Teresa & Mayalen are B.
 

Luzma is going back to her mother because she needs her, and Piedad is in the servants' quarters. No question that Camila would encourage her to keep her room in the hacienda.

Camila should take the hacienda back for herself at this point. She should inspect the master suite for any clues about El Diablo and upon completion fumigate it, redecorate it, and move in. It's hers by right.

She should also fumigate Hissadora's former room.
 

During their talk, Camila insisted that Luzma move back into the big house, and I think Luzma wasn't able to refuse her. Luzma isn't technically a servant. She is the child of a servant. And now Camila considers her her cousin-- so no more servants' quarters. Not like the servants' quarters are that bad. I seem to remember that Dan had a WAY nicer bathroom and shower (where he took long, engaging showers) in his servant's room than Cam has in the cabin. :)
 

Muchas gracias, Kat. How you manage to turn out first-rate recaps AND chocolates amazes me!

Like many other commenters, I too did not find Camila's heated response to Miriam out of line or inappropriate. But I probably best liked LXV's take on things, since she saw both women as justified (as do I).

I agree with UA that a pen isn't the best place from which to try to lift fingerprints. My assumption until Juarez brought out the ink pad was that he'd look for prints on the nice flat paper that Dio just signed. With any luck, there'll be some usable ones--and at this stage in the TN, there should be some luck. Ojalá.

Carolina, I enjoyed your NewNames™ riff and your observation that "the presence of pure evil, in the form of Isadora, scared [BratGirl™] straight."

Darn, the avances fooled me (again). When I saw Ana talk to Miriam about Camila and Dan in the previous night's avances, I thought she was spilling the frijoles, not just being a memory in Miriam's mind of Ana's earlier statement.

Speaking of avances, I loved it in the previous night's avances when Camila slapped Dio, and at least THAT scene was for real. I savored it again last night.

Though I'm wrong more often than I'm right, I really do think that Ana's saying she wished Miriam and Agatha would stay points again to the likelihood of a Miriam/Mariano pairing.


 

Good point, Vivi.

And when Camila takes possession of the master suite she should have the bathroom remodeled to include a sunken tub and a sauna. For when she gets Dan back.
 

Wow, 31 comments already and it's not even 9am yet.

Thanks 5ft, another great job, unfortunately you seem to be getting the filler episodes on Thursdays to recap.

I vote for Casual Dan for the sexier of the two, but I haven't seen him in a tux yet.

How ironic that it will probably be Bratgirl who will ultimately be the one to pull the thread to unravel this whole ugly sweater of the bad guys and bring them down.

I don't blame Miriam for asking, she has a right to know what's going on and it's hard for her to figure out who to get answers out of. And I don't blame Camila for giving any answer she wants to because of the position she is in. So I'm neutral.

Finally, a second doctor's opinion. I doubt they will use the same doctor, what would be the point of that storyline. This may be what keeps Dan in town.

Dion has buried Aggie very deep in this mess. It's hard to see how she will get out of it. But I'm banking on someone sneaking into Dion's house to get that briefcase. Maybe my hero Dan.

With Caye getting only water drops in his tea, how long will it take for him to come to his senses? Maybe as long as it takes to get the lab results. Or will we see a potassium overdose in his future?

I wasn't put off by Mariano telling Dan to back off. He didn't do it in front of Camila. I can see 2 people vying for the same person doing that in real life.

 

5ft - Thanks for a fun, detailed recap. Congrats on the article on your chocolate business. ITA on dark chocolate.

I don't blame Miriam for asking Camila since Dan won't cough it up and they’re leaving Mexico in a few days. But I also don't blame Camila for blowing her off because it’s Dan’s place to tell her, not Camila’s. Plus, one can play Miss Congeniality for only so long. Actually, Camila’s “none of your business” response should tell Miriam that Camila does love Dan.

I guess the more power Isadora gets, the more outlandish her wardrobe will become. I remember when I use to admire some of her clothes. What’s next now? Hot pants?
 

"What’s next now? Hot pants?" Niecie, you're scaring me!
 

I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually liked Isa's dress. Too short? Borderline for her age, but I thought it was alright. I haven't liked all of her animal prints, and not all of them have looked nice on her, but this one was not bad in my book. Perhaps it's just the time of day that she's wearing it that bothers some of you.
 

5-ft: Cool article! Can we order your chocolate on line?

Great job recapping, as usual. You're my fave!

Yeah Cami was uber-snappy w/Mir, but LOOK what she's been through! She's doing well to hang on to her sanity! And, she took Mir a lot closer to the truth.

Beth
 

Miriam had the right to ask. She was not out of line for asking.

Camila had the right to not answer. She was not out of line for telling Miriam to mind her business.

Ultimately it's Dan who needs to start talking. If he did, Miriam wouldn't need to talk to Camila or pump Ana for information.

Dan not telling Miriam the truth is why Miriam is confronting Camila and pumping an 11 year old for info. I think this is how she will find out:

She will pack up Dan's items for the trip back to Chile and find the picture.

She will blow up on Dan, Camila, etc.

She will then read Rafa's book and understand that a) she's reading about how Dan/Camila fell in love and b) will understand Dan is forever lost to her and she will let him go.

Well, that's how I hope it goes down, at least!

Cayetano looks foggier without the drops than with the drops.
 

Anon207, your comment about Cayetano reminded me I wanted to add that the actor playing him is doing a great job of portraying someone who is in a fog. He looks a bit unkempt and he's looking and talking like he really is out of it.
 

It could take a little while for that stuff to clear his system. Unfortunately, that might happen before they get the test results back.
 

I especially appreciate the recap now, because this TN has hit the point where I find it painful to watch. Not because it's badly done, but because I just hate to watch things like Dionisio getting away with his lies, no one asking the right questions about Agustina's supposed fraud, Daniel digging himself deeper in his lies to Miriam for no rational reason, Mariano jumping into playing the supportive boyfriend role for Camila even though there's no romantic relationship between them and she does have other friends. I don't know why, but those kinds of things can be like fingernails on chalk for me. (And yes, I realize they're plot necessities so that everything can turn out well in the end.)

On the more positive side, I like watching the changed Ileana. Something about her always intrigued me, and I have to assume it was the actor's talent, since her part has been written so one-note and without really plausible motivation. I still feel the writers forgot to show us the actual change in her--they never wrote the scene where she had a change of heart. Instead she just changed her actions from one scene to the next.
 

Fingernails on a chalkboard, that's what I meant to say.
 

I was wondering why Iliana's father was chewing down Cayetano at the table when

a) Cayetano looked like he was in a fog

b) Iliana had told them both beforehand that Isadora was putting "drops" of stuff in Cayetano's drinks

But I guess it's a good thing Iliana's father chewed Cayetano out and whisked Iliana away b/c now that means right now Isadora doesn't suspect Iliana switched out the drops.

Did anyone catch Isadora telling Cayetano that HE's the one who threw Iliana out and she didn't have the authority to put the girl out?
 

One of the issues with the later episodes of this series is that they suddenly needed to make 20 additional ones because QBA wasn't ready to air yet. Luzma and Pablo's problem, the drawn-out lying to Miriam, Viviana and Rafael's relationship issues, and delaying the literacy of Leoncerdo have to be how it was carried out.

As for how the love lives of the characters will finish up the story, we can probably count on a similar twisting roller coaster ride to the one we had in LQNPA, only here we have more couples to worry about.
 

Anon207, I caught that. It's part of how she is trying to gaslight him.

Hissadora probably doesn't know this but Cayetano wanted Ileana out a long time ago (for about five minutes) when he realized she was causing trouble among his sons. Then it was Rocio who protected her.
 

Thank you,5ft., for the fantastic recap and sharing your "chocolatese" with us:)

I'm having a really busy few days so haven't been able to read all the comments yet.

Just want to add my name to those who believe Camila's behavior towards Miriam was appropriate. I think it was inappropriate of Miriam to put Camila on the spot like that, and if Miriam wants to know the answer to her question, she should ask her husband. He's the one she's married to, not Camila.
 

I still think that Cami's response was way too rude and I just think her snappy answer was unnecessary. Miriam didn't deserve that. Sure, Cami's been through HELL, but she still has the upper hand & she should've acted better than this. Instead of sympathizing with her, she lashes out her anger at her when she's not to blame. And for that, she's gonna get it. Kharma's coming for her! Whatcha gonna do, Cami, when Miriam comes for you after she finds out the truth?! That you all lied to her & you guys had NO RIGHT to treat her that way! *Boo-hoo!* You guys got married & fell in love, but think about how she would feel being abandoned by her one true love, lied to by him, and not knowing who to trust or turn to anymore. Unlike Cami, she has nobody but her brother, who's in jail, because of stupid Dan. Yeah, it's all HIS fault. :/

As for Pablo leaving Luzma, even if it's temporary, I think that it's dumb in my opinion. Like, why? Can't they stay together & try to work it out as a real couple?

~ posted by not-a-dan-fan.


 

And how was Miriam being inappropriate? All she did was ask a simple question about her feelings & Cami had the chance to come clean or at least admit her guilty part of this whole "white" lie thing. But she didn't. And she only made it worse by answering terribly to her. It's almost as pathetic as how Dan makes up his "white" lies to cover up his lame excuses.

~ posted by not-a-dan-fan.
 

n.a.d.f.— We'll have to agree to disagree about the disagreeable encounter btw. wife#1 & wife#2, but "As for Pablo leaving Luzma, even if it's temporary, I think that it's dumb in my opinion. Like, why? Can't they stay together & try to work it out as a real couple? " What's unbelievable to me is that she's willing to wash her dirty linen in public for the whole town to know. People with problems like that are usually not so brazen about announcing them to the world. It would serve everyone involved if she were more discreet. Because then, they won't have the entire village waiting to hear, "have they done it yet?" Marital relations are a pretty private thing in my experience and when it's not working out the smallest little thing can put out the flame. It's usually a source of embarrassment and many people suffer in silence, but really Luzma, don't you think it's better to keep it close with your partner and your therapist.
 

Luzma is only 18 and had been a fairly sheltered 18 before Leoncerdo attacked her. Most 18-year-olds don't have a fully adult sense of discretion yet so I don't know that we can expect her to be discreet when she desperately needs to talk about this.

To the right person, though. She needs a new therapist.
 

Is anyone ever going to try tracing the retirement fund checks and finding out where they were deposited? Assuming the physical checks actually exist, is anyone ever going to think of fingerprinting them to see if Dionisio's claim of never touching them could be true?

If Miriam has a little more medical knowledge than Daniel she might decide that he's trying to kill her--once she finds out about the supposed aneurysm. Isn't a long plane trip with pressure changes a very bad idea?
 

I'm not sure it would be so easy to get his prints off any of those checks which probably went through some off-shore account under a name other than Hector Gutierrez or Dionicio Ferrer.

But a lot can still happen in the last 16 episodes.
 

We're lucky that Luzma isn't a real 18-year-old, or she'd be posting about it on Facebook--or tweeting. And Irena and Tolentino and all her other friends would know the exact number of days Luzma and Pablo had been married without sex.

In comparison to a typical teenager, she's been down-right secretive about this problem.

And Mariano is still being too pushy with Camila. What was that line about being part of her life that he said at the police station? No, you don't do that. If you're going to be supportive when the person who is not in love with you is in trouble, you don't drop little things like that into your words of reassurance.
 

The next 16 episodes are really worth it; give the story time to play out -- Martha really did an excellent job in weaving an intriguing suspenseful story.

Myo-
 

Thanks, Kat. Your recaps are always such a joy to read.

"If you want results, you'll get them..."

Yikes! She certainly seems confident. Are you guys still so sure of Pablo?

I think that Isadora's outfit looks great but now Niece has gotten my hopes up...hot pants? If only...

Carlos
 

Random observation for the day:

We have now seen Dan go through all four stages of grief for Camila.

Anger – the face off with Mariano in the hospital, the fight with Camila in the courtyard
Denial – several times said and thought bubbled ‘I can’t lose her’.
Bargaining – hanging around her on any pretext even though they have both said it’s over
Acceptance – the ‘tienes razon’ to Mariano that Camila has a right to move on from him and to Rafa that it’s time to go and buying the tickets for Chile.

Myo, I was never that down on Teresa as some. I just don’t think she has a lot of insight into people or love and is clumsy about trying to get what she wants. Mariano’s situation was actually quite different. Not only is he simply repeating what Camila has told Dan, as others have said, but there is also the history between him and Dan. When Dan was with Camila, Mariano wished them well and gave them space. He is only asking Dan to do the same. I also disagree that Camila has no interest in Mariano. She isn’t romatically interested, but she values his friendship very much. Mariano has only been polite and perhaps a bit nostalgic towards Teresa, but he really doesn’t want her in his personal life.

I am becoming more and more impressed with the acting that Lisette is doing as Miriam. Kudos to her.

I don’t see Miriam as being completely wrong in asking Camila her question, but I think Camila was completely right in answering the way she did. M didn’t have the right to ask it, but she is free to ask any question she wants. M does have a history, IMO, of saying some awkward things. In this case, her timing was completely wrong and insensitive. She should be looking at the evidence and drawing her own conclusions. She should be asking a lot more questions of her husband, who she has every right to ask about his feelings. And she should be understanding that he thought she was dead, so it’s not like he was cheating on her. I remember him thought bubbling before his wedding to C that this is what Miriam would have wanted, for him to be happy. Maybe he was wrong about that.

However, I come from the school of thought that there is no harm in asking. You just have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. Camila was offended, not in the mood, fed up and ripped the gloves off. Good for her. I wish that she had taken this approach to Miriam’s nosy behavior right from the start. It was an intrusive, personal question and Miriam paid the price for asking it. And, actually, Camila did answer it. I don’t think that anyone could possibly construe her response as ‘no’.

As for Miriam’s health, it’s now a long list of upsets she has had without keeling over. Dan’s illness, overhearing the convo about Dan’s incarceration and arrival in Mexico, Abe’s incarceration, Camila’s necklace, losing her temper with Dan at least two or three times, and I’m probably missing some more. It would seem that someone would put this together and see that she is sturdy enough to hear the truth about Dan-n-Cam, especially since she is almost there anyway. However, that would be Dan’s job and he is not up to the task, so it seems.

Isadora in hot pants? Pass the brain bleach, please!

 

Well, I guess I really am showing my age. And you're right, UtahDesert, my nieces do spout a whole lot of intimate details all over Facebook, without the slightest reservation. I'm assuming it's based on actual experience. (I pretend I don't see; they surely wouldn't want their aunt "liking" or, god forbid, commenting). It's hard for me to realize how old I am and that things have changed so very much. We had a more delicate sense of personal boundaries, and I''m talking about coming of age in the sixties. It makes me feel positively Victorian.
 

Good point, Carolina: "And, actually, Camila did answer it. I don’t think that anyone could possibly construe her response as ‘no’. " I think that is how we are meant to take this; they've turned a corner, truthwise, however obliquely.
 

"As for Miriam’s health, it’s now a long list of upsets she has had without keeling over." Brava, Carolina. LOL.

Also, I agree that Camila did answer Miriam's question. There's no other way to construe her response, imo.
 

I think Miriam is showing her self-centered, spoiled side over and over again even when she asked Camila about Dan. I simply cannot stand her.

I am out of town all next week when I suspect things will begin flying. I will rely on recaps.

I grew up in a town with a prison. One of the prisoners escaped by riding out in the garbage. Looks like the tongueless tio is sizing up an escape that way. Maybe we will be seeing "garbage in, garbage out" soon. Then then watch out both Isadora and Luz Ma.

Cindy
 

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OMG, I think Cam is the most selfless and noble character in AB. If she was selfish, she would have fought for Dan from day 1 and sexing him up seven ways to Sunday and carrying on with their lives until Miriam is able to handle the truth. Instead, she humbly stepped aside and allowed Dan to figure out his problems; always encouraging him to put his family first. My issues with Cam are that she’s not selfish enough; sometimes a girl needs to consider herself first.

Myo-

 

And how was Miriam being inappropriate?---


The only thing Miriam was inappropriate about, IMO, was the timing. She knew that Camila's mom was in jail, that Camila was only thinking about her mom. So that really wasn't the time or place for her to question Camila about her dealings with Daniel.

But she did have the right to ask Camila what the deal was, especially after the woman keeps inviting Miriam to stay at her home, had her sick husband at her hacienda instead of the hospital ICU & fighting with her husband in the middle of the night, not to mention every time a leaf on Camila's property drops, Dan goes running to the rescue.

But, just as Miriam has the right (IMO) to ask Camila what's up with her and Daniel, Camila has a right to tell Miriam "Nunya bizness, talk to my hand and go talk to Dan."

The problem is in this triangle, Daniel & Camila have all the facts; Miriam has none. This is information that will affect her life and her child's life, yet nobody will tell her anything.

I think the worst thing for Miriam won't be being told the truth, it won't be Daniel leaving her. The worst thing would be for Daniel to stay with her. It's actually very disrespectful for Daniel to stay with Miriam because it's only out of pity & obligation. Miriam deserves better than that & Daniel will grow to detest Miriam just like Yago detests Natalia.

It's disrespectful b/c the thought process behind it is "You were too weak to be told the truth. You're not capable of knowing medical information about yourself." If Miriam DID have a potentially fatal brain anerysm, just ready to burst, she has a right to know that about her own health. Especially when she's been baking cookings, decorating houses, moving back & forth from the city to the ranch, finding out information, spending time with young children etc. She needs to know that her health is iffy so she can determine what her treatment (or not) will be.
 

Add me to the list of supporter's for Cam's answer to Miriam's question! I actually clapped and laughed at that scene! I love Sylvia Navarro's acting! I agree her answer was a bit "beachy" but you can't blame her for that. She is woman going through a horrible situation with her mother being in jail and losing the love of her life so forgive her if she couldn't continue the charade of being kind and welcoming to the love of her life's wife! She played that scene like a woman fed up with hiding her true feelings. If Cam really wanted to be rude and unsympathetic, she could have said "yes, I'm in love with him! And he was mine till you came along!" Instead, knowing that the truth would hurt Miriam she told her that her feelings were hers and none of Miriam's business, rightfully so. I will agree maybe she went a little too fat when she told Miriam that she shouldn't care when Miriam has him and her baby. I think that showed a little bitterness on her part but I really can't blame her.

I have to say I'm very impressed with ex brat girl Ileana's turn around, I have said in the past I just wanted her to leave but so many of you thought she had a purpose and you guys were right! I am glad she stuck around.

Ugh, Pabluzma, I'm with you NADF! Their story line is ridiculous, wish I could FF.

I knew Dio was going to weasel his way out of that finger print! I have so many choice words for him! I knew it wasn't going to be that easy. I too was wondering last night if there is anyway to track those checks! Certainly the people that wrote the checks could see who cashed them. I'm really hoping that Nati will redeem herself by being the one to get the Daddy's briefcase, it's the only way I'll forgive her for these past weeks and the only way I would be happy if she ends up with Rodolfo because I cringe everytime she frets about her upcoming sham nuptials. Can't wait to see what happens tonight!

Hope this is not considered a spoiler but has anyone noticed the commercial about the ultimas semanas? They show a lot of quick shots of upcoming scenes and one of them shows Miriam looking upset while holding a white rectangular paper (photo?) I wish I had a DVR so I could pause that shot! I'm really hoping she finds that picture as in sure most of us are!
 

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Far* I'm* please forgive the typos :)
 

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I can't wait to find out what happens next tonight. Let's see if Leoncio does escape from jail, and some other stuff. If he does, watch out Luzma and Isadora. Only like 16 episodes left and yet nothing has been resolved yet. But it looks like Viviana and Rafael are finally going to adopt Roman, but we'll have to wait and see when it'll happen.
 

Pride and Prejudice fans: Camila's admission by omission reminds me of the scene from P&P when Elizabeth Bennet refused to say yes when Lady Catherine de Bourgh confronted her at Longbourn and warned her against marrying Mr. Darcy.
 

Not-a-dan-fan,

Both are my name – Renata is my middle name and Myo is shorten for my first name – not that I wanted to explain my name to anyone but I find your question “whatever ur name is” somewhat condescending.

And as far as the discussions are concerned – you see the glass ½ empty whereas I see it ½ full – so let’s respectably agree to disagree.

Happy viewing tonight!

Myo-

 

Anon207, Camila has never invited Miriam to stay at her home. Miriam has stayed there twice, but she has never been invited. I don't see that as appropriate either, but that's a whole 'nother story.

I thought her question was inappropriate because it was too personal. She doesn't even know Camila that well. The person she should be asking a lot more questions is Dan. She has a right to know about his feelings and his behavior, but I don't see how that right would extend to someone like Camila. I was hoping that she would ask about that courtyard fight, which is a lot less personal than about being in love. Camila would probably have had a different explanation that Dan, and Miriam might have learned something useful a lot earlier.

ITA with you regarding sham marriages based on coercion and lies. It's not good for anyone, including, as I pointed out the other day, the children. I have also commented about Miriam's right to know her own medical information and especially to know that her life could be a lot shorter than normal. It seems extremely unfair not to let someone know that she doesn't have as much time as she thinks to do what she wants in her life.
 

but knowing that this could've been the last time she saw her, Miriam felt it was the only chance she could straight-out ask Cami about her real relationship with Dan. and sure, the timing could've been better, but what the heck, Cami? i know she's going through a hard time right now, BUT...

but then again, what the heck was she doing at their place? she's definitely not making it any easier of "humbly" stepping aside for Dan & Miriam to go on with their lives & having a life of their own together. she doesn't seem committed to her word or even determined to try despite saying that she would. and why is mariano allowing his daughter get so close to her? she's starting to bond with miriam and her child and now she's starting to with dan, i think. and again, WHY did they head over there in the first place???

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Tks so much 5ft,
Is Mr. 5ft watching this one, we haven't had any of his asides for awhile & I miss them. Your chocolate looks sooooo good, my mouth is watering. Can we order it?

I do not blame Miriam for asking, after all she's not going to sit back while she thinks someone wants her husband. And even though I was a bit surprised at how Camila responded, I can understand that too & don't blame her.
And Daniel is acting the typical man in a trap.

All the acting in this is wonderful, from baby Agatha to Cayetano, though I could do w/o Roman & his outside voice.
Of course Camila, I think is the best, followed by Isadora.
 

Aleta, ITA about the similarity between Elizabeth Bennett and Camila in those scenes. Neither one of them was going to lie. Good observation!
 

I shudder to think about Isadora's comeuppance even though she deserves whatever happens. Just scared for Luzma.
 

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Miriam already knows that Cam/Dan are/were in love, she just wants confirmation to sweep away the last cobwebs of denial from her brain. Come on, with half of what she knows for sure, any woman would draw to the conclusion (correctly) of the relationship between those two. Every time she comes across some additional bit of information, all she would have to do is think back to Ana's comment and she'd have her answer. Children and drunks usually (spontaneously) tell the truth. In her place, I would think about what Ana said, remember Luzma's hurried, not-so-sensible coverup after Ana's slip-of-the-tongue, and add two plus two. She's supposedly an intelligent woman, but denial keeps rearing up its big head. All she needs is confirmation and she's gone. She is not the begging, pleading, holding-on-to-his-leg-as-he-walks away type of person. She's strong and confident enough to know she can go on without him, since he is no longer the love of her life.

Mariano is a leech. He's taking advantage of Cam's emotional state to insinuate himself into her life, hoping to wear her resistance down. He's really not being that great of a friend, particularly when she tries to get away from him to do certain things on her own. If all he was willing to take from her was the friendship she insists she feels for him, he would honor her wishes when she wants to be away from him. If it's just that he doesn't want her to be alone, then he should say, "okay, I'll go, but call Vivi or Rafa to be/go with you .... etc, etc" Then we could see that he is thinking of HER and not just of himself and his feelings for her. And he really didn't give Cam/Dan space when Dan asked him too, either. He didn't go to their wedding because it was going to be too hard on HIM ... yet, he had the gall to call her on their honeymoon with the flimsy excuse about Pablo. Really, dude?

UtahDesert - agree about tracing the checks for evidence of who actually got the money and fingerprints, but that would be too CSI for a TN! LOL

Soyyo
 

wow, well said, Soyyo! I can agree with every point you said, including that part at the end about the CSI stuff! LOL XD

ok, except for that one part about mariano not giving dan space when he asked him to. first of all, what right did dan have over cami when he's with his other wife? & technically they're not married, which means she's not his "mujer" as he'd like to think she is. so the one who should really be backing off is DAN not mariano.

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Thanks for the recap Kat and your chef profile. Best wishes for your continued success.

ITA w/Soyyo with your assessment of Mariano. In general or perhaps abstractly I like Mariano but his continued "being there" for Cam has crossed the line to me. If he were a bad guy, the situation might be more obvious.

I like how the writers seem to have said goodbye to Ilana on a good note. She finally served a very useful purpose after being a horrible houseguest. Also glad she probably won't be part of Isa's body count.

Though Luzma is young, I wish her mother or soon-to-be stepdad would help her see the short-sightedness of her decision. As people have noted here, real married couples sometimes don't have congress for periods of time due to life. Moreover, why won't she believe her husband. Yes he wants to be with her but he can wait, wait with him not apart.


 

Just read this news story:

"Univision Wins Friday Ratings War Thanks to Amor Bravio"

Spanish-language Univision led all other U.S. television networks in adult viewership Friday night thanks to the telenovela “Amor Bravio,” according to the latest data from Nielsen.

Four million people tuned in for “Amor Bravo,” which airs at 10:00 EDT and features Silvia Navarro and Cristian de la Fuente in the lead roles.

The network’s new nightly telenovela, “Porque el amor manda,” attracted an average of 3.4 million viewers in its first week on the air, allowing Univision to finish ahead of CBS on Monday and to surpass both ABC and NBC on Tuesday and Wednesday.

The 8:00 p.m. EDT show stars Fernando Colunga and Blanca Soto.

Another Univision soap, “Amores Verdaderos,” featuring Sebastian Rulli and Erika Buenfil, draws an average of 4.2 million viewers in the 9:00 p.m. EDT time slot.
 

NADF - Certainly Dan doesn't have any right to ask Mariano to back off now, but when he did it, they (Cam/Dan) were about to be married. THAT was the instance I was referring to. I agree with you about him in the current situation.

Soyyo
 

@ Soyyo---oh, okay then. THAT i can agree with. ^^

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Thanks Kat for a great capture of all the exciting happenings. Favorite lines:

1) It's gonna be like three kids living under the same roof...until he hits adolescence and grows a 'tude and thinks they're just, like, so old and clueless.

2) Teflon Dio…nothing ever sticks.

The pros and cons of Miriam confronting Cami has been hashed and rehashed in many well said comments. My vote goes to Cami for a "thinking on her feet" great response. Although I can sense Miriam's desperation to figure out what's going on, she needs to quiz Dan, Dante and her beloved Abe and not the woman she perceives as a rival for her husbands affections. (Even in real life "the other woman" usually don't welcome confrontatons about their affections).

Someone mentioned how well Cayetano is playing his part of being dopey. I agree. He also has a great smile that lights up his whole face when Isa sweet talks him. In fact, he has played the part of old fart like his heart is really in it.

 

Didn't Camila invite Miriam to stay at the hacienda while Dan was recovering from the virus so she wouldn't have to keep going back and forth? The only person who could've invited her is Camila. Agustina & Dionisio wouldn't have and Dan was on death's door.
 

Anon207- Miriam asked if she could come back to the ranch and stay when Dan was ill, and Cam agreed. Cam wasn't the one who extended the invitation.
 

Yes, Miriam invited herself, Camila said no, Miriam insisted, and then Camila gave up trying to keep her away. Not exactly an invitation.
 

Well all of that could've been prevented by taking Dan to the hospital. Then Camila wouldn't have to worry about Miriam inviting herself to stay. What did she think Miriam was going to do? Leave her dying husband at the ranch while she stayed in town? No, she would be by his side...as any wife would in that situation.a
 

I think that is why Camila gave in. The point is, Camila never invited Miriam to stay at the ranch and I think it's safe to say that she never wanted her there, either.

 

Anon207- Camila's reaction was actually very understanding at the time. Despite everyone else telling Mir to stay out of the room when Dan was super ill, it was Camila who said she totally understood Mir's need to go into the room and see Dan. Mir didn't ask to stay at the ranch until after Dan got the vaccine and started to improve. It threw Cam for a loop for a half second, but then she agreed because she understood Mir's desire to be there. Right after that, she went about her business tending to the bulls-- no tears or drama. It was Vivi and Mariano who kept bringing it up, and Cam was basically in "I've got to do what I've got to do" non-stop mode.