Saturday, April 06, 2013
PEAM #20: 4/5/13-Chucho is the Life of the Partay; The Brothers Dimm Can't Win
We start this epi with Chucho taking little Valentina with her little pumpkin and the nurse in tow, going trick or treating.
Chucho is back in his 'hood and sees a crowd in front of the apartment building with a cop out in front. Chucho asks what is going on and he is informed there was a burglery in one of the apartments. Chucho asks which and is informed of the number and Chucho realizes it was his apartment and is allowed to enter. He meets Chatita and they go together and there is another cop outside the apartment. Chucho tells the cop it's his apartment. The cop thinks Chucho must have been cleaned out cause there is hardly anything in there. Chucho tells the cop he doesn't have much. Now he wants Chucho's name. Chucho gives his name, but it doesn't match the ownership of the apartment, Ruh, Roh. The cop thinks he is lying. Chatita is trying very hard to explain to the cop that this is indeed Chucho's apartment and he tries to tell her to be quiet. Finally, Chatita butts in and gives him the apartment owner's name, she has finally remembered his name is (Ed Note: Since I have no captions of any kind I am going to give the gentleman's name as I heard it) Pablo Avellos, but I heard it wrong, thanks to Pablo and Julie the guy's name is Pedro Davalos. Thanks Pablo and Julie. The cop is satisfied with this info and Chucho is allowed into the apartment.
Elias is cooking some type of new dish in the kitchen. The poor guy is wearing gloves to cook and the Shrill Drill Sargent comes in and he tries to get her to try whatever it is. The Shrill Drill Sargent declines. She is on a mission to get Chucho out of their lives foreva. She is very determined to make this happen. Little Valentina is around the corner and hears what her Mama said to Elias and she is one unhappy little girl, pobrecita!
Chucho comes out of his apartment and informs the cop outside that nothing is missing. The cop is satisfied and goes. Chatita takes Chucho to her apartment for a little chat and some dinner, looks like spaghetti. She tells Chucho about her deceased husband and son and Chucho tells her about his deceased parents and he even pulls out a picture and puts it on Chatita's shrine. They sit down to dinner and chat about Alma, she's just a friend and Chucho wants to make the apartment safe for Valentina so this neva, eva happens again! Chucho also tells Chatita he is going to the fund-raiser and that Alma is going with her finace, Rog. Chucho thanks her for dinner and kissies her cheeky and goes.
Alma is at home and pulls a picture of her brother Sebastian to her and tells the picture she misses him and his smile!
Fern, of course still in his undies, is twinkling with his toes, checks that noone is about and starts through the lobby part of the office when the cleaning lady comes upon him. She thinks he is up to no good! She thinks he is a pervert and attacks him with the vacuum cleaner, HA! He has to run to get away from her.
Patymelt and Chucho arrive at the fund- raiser. They are lookin' mighty fine I must say, especially Chucho, my that man is fine, jus' sayin'.
Alma and Rog arrive at the fund-raiser. Alma is all sparkly and I love her dress. They talk about Max Valtierra's heart attack. Rog is only worried about how Max's heart attack will effect the bottom line, Alma is just worried and hopes the guy is recovering. She can't believe Rog is so cold, she thinks to herself, they go inside.
Patymelt and Chucho are having a little convo. They are in the bathroom, but Patymelt is where the sinks are and Chucho is back in the toilet section, I am assuming, they didn't show it. Patymelt is glad he came with her and what a handsome guy Chucho is. She also remarks that guy that hurt her, is here at this same fund-raiser and won't he be jealous when he sees them together. Chucho comes out to where the sinks are and his fine, sculpted body is in a nice lavender shirt, nice tie and Patymelt is looking at him like he is a delicious pastry, Yum! Well, the man is fine, what can I say!
Alma and Rog are meeting and greeting and Rog is telling people he wants a huge wedding, best church, best everything! Alma however wants something a bit more intimate, like in a small wedding an intimate affair.
Patymelt and Chucho come in and Rog is instantly jealous at seeing Patymelt with that secretary, oh the horror, while Alma is looking at the fine male specimen before her, and it ain't Rog. She remarks how handsome Chucho is, sigh!
Maricela is somewhere near Avon and is exiting a store when Ricardo is driving by and sees her. He stops to offer her a ride, but she declines as she is, cough, cough, waiting for the chofer to pick her up, doncha know. Well, Ricardo doesn't like to leave her waiting on the darkened street like this, so he offers again and Maricela gets a look at his, I am sorry to say, hunk of junk car, and she really doesn't want to get in that car, it's so beneath her, cough, cough, but finally he talks her into taking the ride, the chofer probably forgot, cough, cough, so he even opens the door for her, what a gentleman!
Alma and Rog are still talking about Chucho. Rog can't beleive that low life secretary is with his, er Patymelt. The jealousy is radiating out of Rog's every pore. Alma tells Rog he is so wrong. Patymelt is happy with Chucho and they are both single so what about it? Rog so doesnt' agree. He thinks Chucho is low grade for Patymelt and she shouldn't even be breathing the same air as him. This makes Alma very upset and she defends Chucho, and tells Rog that when life gave Chucho lemons he made lemonade, in other words, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. She defends Chuco's choice of being a secretary.
Ricardo and Maricela are still in the car and he is trying to talk to her, but she is basically blowing him off. He notices she really isn't saying anything, and when he finally gets her attention she says she has stuff on her mind. She also doesn't like the car, it's clinking I think and he slams on the brakes. Ha! Ricardo has a question for Mari and he wants a chance with her. She says nothing, but doesn't think he is that bad.
Alma and Rog are still arguing about Chucho. Alma likes him, Rog can't stand him. Patymelt and Chucho come up to them and Rog whispers in Paty's ear that he wants to kill her for being there with Chucho. Rog greets Chucho as the secretary and Patymelt corrects Rog and tells him Chucho is her friend. Good for Patymelt!
Ricardo has finally brought Mari "home", it is a huge mansion with a big iron gate. Ricardo opens the car door for her and wants to wait until she gets inside the gate. Well, Mari can't have that, no siree Bob she can't so she stalls, fiddling with the lock like she is trying to insert her key, and tells Ricardo he can just go, wouldn't do for her Daddy to see her with Ricardo. Ricardo really doesn't want to go, but she convinces him and he finally goes. Here comes the security guard for the mansion and tells her she better scram or he is calling the cops. She says no need she is going. She makes sure Ricardo is nowhere in sight, and laments the fact she has got to walk halfway across the D.F to get home in her six inch heels, pobrecita, NOT! Mari finally makes it home, on her aching feet, and just hates her place. It looks like a little tin shack.
Alma and Patymelt are talking about Chucho and Rog. They are alone. Patymelt is just so happy with Chucho and what a hawt guy he is. Suddenly, Patymelt gets a text, it's from Rog of course, and he wants a meet in the bathroom, ASAP. Patymelt goes and Alma agrees that Chucho is very hawt, sigh!
Chucho has gone to get champagne and comes back with three glasses on a tray and hands one to Alma. He asks after Rog and finds out he went to the bathroom so Alma and Chucho have a little toast and drink some champagne. Alma remarks how handsome he looks and he tells her how beautiful she is. Now Alma wants to know why he came with Patymelt is he interested in Patymelt? Chucho tells her he isn't interested in Patymelt the only reason he came is cause it is a fund-raiser and he wanted to help Alma. There is a little commotion by the door and everyone is crowding around. You'll never guess who it is, wait for it, it is Max Villatierra the guy that had the heart attack, who knew. He is in a wheelchair being pushed by Balmero and Max sees Chucho and looks very angry and points a finger at him, Ruh, Roh! Max says your the guy that sent me those pictures by email. Chucho feels really bad and tries to explain they really weren't meant for him, but Max cuts him off and tells him he is very happy he sent them, who knew!
Patymelt and Rog are by the bathroom and Rog is truly pithed that Patymelt had the audacity to come with Chucho, the lowly secretary. Patymelt accuses Rog of being jealous and that Chucho is very handsome. As a matter of fact, she is way happy to be with Chucho, he is single and not marrying her best friend Alma, and Rog grabs her by the arm!
Now we are back with Don Max and he has gotten out of the wheelchair. He tells Chucho he is very happy that Chucho sent him those pics, cause he was imagining what the smoking was doing to him and he didn't actually have an infarto, he had a pre-infarto, (Note to Carlos, please explain) and now Don Max has quit smoking and has Chucho to thank for it, he considers Chucho a good friend. Chucho introduces himself.
Rog and Paty are still arguing. Rog accuses Paty of trying to make him jealous and Paty continues to talk Chucho up. Rog can't stand Chucho and basically says Chucho ain't all that. Paty is jealous that Rog is marrying her bestie and she goes. Rog is not happy, and then again, when is he ever?
Chucho explains to Don Max how he met Balmero at the school and Chucho tells him he is Valentina's Daddy, and Valentina happens to be besties with Ingrid, Don Max's daughter. Rog has come over and is glad Don Max is doing better, yeah, sure, sure and Don Max says he is talking to his friend Chucho. You can almost see the smoke coming out of Rog's ears. Alma tells Don Max that Chucho is her secretary. Don Max can't beleive it and laughs a bit but not really at Chucho. Don Max says he will give Alma a check for the fund-raiser. Alma thanks him and Don Max shakes Chucho's hand. Don Max gets back in his wheelchair and goes. Paty is very happy about Max and wants to know how Chucho knows him. They go off. Rog is very pithed, he can't believe it, everyone, but everyone loves Chucho! Alma just looks at Rog.
Elias is working in his home office when little Valentina sneaks in. Elias knows something is wrong, cause she is never up this late. She admits he heard her Mama talking to Elias about ridding themselves of her Papa Chucho, foreva. Vero is calling Elias from the hallway and Valentina gets under Elias's desk and hides. Seems Vero is a feeling a little frisky this evening and gives Elias five more minutes to finish up and then they can get, er, busy, so to speak. Vero goes and Valentina comes out of hiding and cuddles on Elias' lap. Elias promises Valentina he will have a chat with Mama and see about getting Valentina to spend time with Papa Chucho. She tells Elias she loves him and then Elias goes to the door, makes a quick check that the coast is clear and they sneak out so Valentina can go back to bed.
Oh, here is Fern and what is he doing you ask? Trying to hit on a woman by herself. She basically tells him to get lost. Alma goes to the bathroom and Rog whines to Fern about that damn secretary being here at this fund-raiser. While Rog is whining, Patymelt is draping herself all over Chucho like a mink stole. They just gotta find a way to get rid of Chucho from this party. Rog is of course, leaving this up to Fern and Rog stomps off. Fern isn't happy, he gets all the grunt work, and twirls his mustache ala Snidely Whiplash!
Alma comes out of the bathroom and some drunk guy is trying to hit on her. She ignores him.
Patymelt and Chucho are talking and there is another guy with them. Fern comes up. I think they were talking about Australia and then Fern tries to impress with his English, which is very poor. He thinks Chucho didn't understand a word he said, but Chucho actually does a couple of sentences about how he speaks English very well, he lived in Chicago for six years, HA! Fern is not happy, and you can tell he didn't understand a word Chucho said. Once again a brother Dimm is shown up. Fern tries to throw Chucho out of the party and Paty interrupts and Fern tries to hit on Patymelt and she is very pithed and calls Fern an imbecile and she goes.
Alma is still being bothered by that drunk guy and Chucho comes to be with Alma and that drunk guy just won't leave Alma alone. So Chucho decks his butt, right there. Here comes Security and they throw Chucho out. Fern crows that Chucho just knocked out a bidness partner of this club they are in. Alma and Paty have gone with Chucho. Alma turns on Fern and says that Chucho was defending her from that drunk bidness partner. Alma and Rog have a very big fight about what just happened. He can't beleive she is defending Chucho and she is pithed that Rog did nothing to defend her from that drunk guy. Rog is so aggravated, what a putz, and leaves Alma there.
Avances esta Lunes:
The fund-raiser continues and Chucho has made it back to the partay.
Looks like Chucho and Alma have some besos and there is a declaration of love.
Tune in esta Lunes to find out what happens.
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I know, I know... it's still nov. 2nd. and from now on and to not miss dates in the future, I will start every first comment with the date. I wanna keep track of it.
This is going to be a very interesting topic, because besides that the Caption Lady (in honor of the Avon lady) decided to play ''switching words'' either to confuse people or to see if we were oaying attention, we will have the ''adages'' section.
First she switch ''conversations'' for ''conservations'' and of course I didn't get the sense of the sentence. Then she switched ''flawless'' for ''faultless''.
Another interesting issue is going to be the mexican popular adages or ''sayings'' that do not translate very well every time, like ''las penas con pan son menos'' (griefs with bread are less), or ''no quitar el dedo del renglón'' (not taking the finger away from the line -not giving up). Some of them like ''the world is a handkerchief'', or ''looking at the bright side of things'' are better interpreted. Anybody here knows the english version, not the literal translation but the one with the every day use?
Trivia: Did you notice that Milagritos (Alma's laundry lady lives in the same place as Jesús? (I wonder how she gets around the city)
Or that Chatita's offering inside her apt. was bigger than the one outside?
Marisela had the golden watch again?
PS: I still hate the sound effects and I am getting bored with Jesús saving the day after ''messing things up''. Enough already.
This is going to be a very interesting topic, because besides that the Caption Lady (in honor of the Avon lady) decided to play ''switching words'' either to confuse people or to see if we were oaying attention, we will have the ''adages'' section.
First she switch ''conversations'' for ''conservations'' and of course I didn't get the sense of the sentence. Then she switched ''flawless'' for ''faultless''.
Another interesting issue is going to be the mexican popular adages or ''sayings'' that do not translate very well every time, like ''las penas con pan son menos'' (griefs with bread are less), or ''no quitar el dedo del renglón'' (not taking the finger away from the line -not giving up). Some of them like ''the world is a handkerchief'', or ''looking at the bright side of things'' are better interpreted. Anybody here knows the english version, not the literal translation but the one with the every day use?
Trivia: Did you notice that Milagritos (Alma's laundry lady lives in the same place as Jesús? (I wonder how she gets around the city)
Or that Chatita's offering inside her apt. was bigger than the one outside?
Marisela had the golden watch again?
PS: I still hate the sound effects and I am getting bored with Jesús saving the day after ''messing things up''. Enough already.
Permalink posted by 
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:32:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:32:00 AM EDT
Hey Pablo:
Maybe a translation for "las penas con pan son menos" would be mourning bread. I know Jarifa called it dead bread yesterday :) Either translation is good : )
Maybe a translation for "las penas con pan son menos" would be mourning bread. I know Jarifa called it dead bread yesterday :) Either translation is good : )
Do you have something like, when you're troubled you eat and then feel better? Come on and eat, don't worry... Something in the line of ''full belly happy heart''?
Bread of the dead is just bread for the celebration, with bone designs on top and all, but this is another thing.
Bread of the dead is just bread for the celebration, with bone designs on top and all, but this is another thing.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:54:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:54:00 AM EDT
Hmmmm...not sure I agree with that interpretation. But not every saying has an equivalent in another culture. "Eat eat my child!" is one way of expressing it. But the meaning is that one can handle setbacks better if one has something in his stomach. Given the level of malnutrition and undernutrition in Mexico, that saying is meaningful indeed.
Loved your sassy recap Ms. Madeleine. The recurrent theme of Chucho being "so fine" (agreed!) and "Pattimelt looking at him like he's a delicious pastry".
Also "draping herself all over him like a mink stole". Very apt description.
My friend from Colombia and I pretty much predicted that the bigwig would thank Chucho for alerting him to the dangers of smoking, but I loved it when he said he was going to write a "jugoso cheque". We all could use one of those.
On Friday nights, Maricela and I watch a DVD of Alborada (can you believe she didn't know about Fernando Colunga before this?) and now we stop it at 8 pm so we can watch Porque El Amor Manda. She thinks it has gotten better since the first week and I agree. Or maybe we're just hooked on "nuestro churro" as she calls Fernando.
Anybody hungry yet?
Loved your sassy recap Ms. Madeleine. The recurrent theme of Chucho being "so fine" (agreed!) and "Pattimelt looking at him like he's a delicious pastry".
Also "draping herself all over him like a mink stole". Very apt description.
My friend from Colombia and I pretty much predicted that the bigwig would thank Chucho for alerting him to the dangers of smoking, but I loved it when he said he was going to write a "jugoso cheque". We all could use one of those.
On Friday nights, Maricela and I watch a DVD of Alborada (can you believe she didn't know about Fernando Colunga before this?) and now we stop it at 8 pm so we can watch Porque El Amor Manda. She thinks it has gotten better since the first week and I agree. Or maybe we're just hooked on "nuestro churro" as she calls Fernando.
Anybody hungry yet?
Madelaine, thanks for the fantastic recap. You covered it all!
Yes, Rogelio is a putz or worse for not appreciating Jesüs standing up for Alma. Also his reaction to Jesús accompanying Paty showed what a jealous little man he is. The old expression of "wanting his cake and wanting to eat it too" comes to mind. Too bad Alma doesn't see the total lack of respect Rogelio has for her.
I loved the scene with Valentina and papá Elías where he tells her it all going to be okay. He is so good he was even making Verónica quinoa and wearing his cooking gloves.
I was reminded of pan de los muertos yesterday and churros and cake today; guess it is time for a run for something sweet to go with the café this morning.
Jarifa
Yes, Rogelio is a putz or worse for not appreciating Jesüs standing up for Alma. Also his reaction to Jesús accompanying Paty showed what a jealous little man he is. The old expression of "wanting his cake and wanting to eat it too" comes to mind. Too bad Alma doesn't see the total lack of respect Rogelio has for her.
I loved the scene with Valentina and papá Elías where he tells her it all going to be okay. He is so good he was even making Verónica quinoa and wearing his cooking gloves.
I was reminded of pan de los muertos yesterday and churros and cake today; guess it is time for a run for something sweet to go with the café this morning.
Jarifa
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 10:22:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 10:22:00 AM EDT
Great Re-cap Madelaine, I needed it because I was switching back and forth between the "Nationals" baseball game and PEAM.
I watched on the TV in my garage, getting ready for my bass fishing tournament. (I have not programed that TV for CC3. After all that I didn't go fishing because it was too cold this morning...So I whimped out).
Anyway, I am glad you mention Alma was looking at the picture of her brother, at the opening of the show. I had no idea it was Semi-Sexy Alma, who I didn't recognize, because she was finally, after four episodes, out of the college basketball referee uniform, also known as the "doppler" dress, putting on her make-up for the "partay"....
She looked like someone who just lost a boxing match, and ended up with two black eyes. Check her out Monday, see if they toned it down some, or she still looks like a racoon.
This could be by design, since it is a comedy TN, The "ghostly" make-up on Sexy Jessy, the racoon eyes of Semi-Sexy Alma, could very well be done on purpose. Xohchi, will be made into Sexy-Xohchi before this TN runs it's course....look closely at her, and you can see she is a "fox"...(no pun intended) just waiting to jump out of the box..
Anon#1
I watched on the TV in my garage, getting ready for my bass fishing tournament. (I have not programed that TV for CC3. After all that I didn't go fishing because it was too cold this morning...So I whimped out).
Anyway, I am glad you mention Alma was looking at the picture of her brother, at the opening of the show. I had no idea it was Semi-Sexy Alma, who I didn't recognize, because she was finally, after four episodes, out of the college basketball referee uniform, also known as the "doppler" dress, putting on her make-up for the "partay"....
She looked like someone who just lost a boxing match, and ended up with two black eyes. Check her out Monday, see if they toned it down some, or she still looks like a racoon.
This could be by design, since it is a comedy TN, The "ghostly" make-up on Sexy Jessy, the racoon eyes of Semi-Sexy Alma, could very well be done on purpose. Xohchi, will be made into Sexy-Xohchi before this TN runs it's course....look closely at her, and you can see she is a "fox"...(no pun intended) just waiting to jump out of the box..
Anon#1
OMG, TBLMOE was hunkisíííímo. I was looking for the best way to describe my telenovio # 1, and found this. Es tan guapo que se me caen las medias cuando lo miro. =
lit. He is so handsome that my stockings (pants) are falling down when I look at him. or
He is so handsome that my heart beats faster when I look at him.
lit. He is so handsome that my stockings (pants) are falling down when I look at him. or
He is so handsome that my heart beats faster when I look at him.
Hi, Madelaine. Love your recaps. Such fun.
Regarding "pre-infarto," an "infarto" (English: infarct) is tissue death due to lack of blood supply. "Ischemia" is a symptomatic reduction in blood supply. When you refer to the heart, these chest pain symptoms are called "angina pectoris" (chest pain), or simply angina.
So Max had chest pain (angina) due to reduced blood flow (ischemia) but no myocardial infarction (heart muscle death).
In the U.S. I am sure he would have undergone a cardiac catheterization where a thin probe is inserted into a vessel in the groin and snaked up the body to the heart where a radiopaque (can be seen on X-ray) dye is injected and the Doc and visually evaluate the circulation in the coronary arteries. If he finds a blockage he can open it with the probe, then insert a tiny spring-like device called a stent to help keep it open.
David
Regarding "pre-infarto," an "infarto" (English: infarct) is tissue death due to lack of blood supply. "Ischemia" is a symptomatic reduction in blood supply. When you refer to the heart, these chest pain symptoms are called "angina pectoris" (chest pain), or simply angina.
So Max had chest pain (angina) due to reduced blood flow (ischemia) but no myocardial infarction (heart muscle death).
In the U.S. I am sure he would have undergone a cardiac catheterization where a thin probe is inserted into a vessel in the groin and snaked up the body to the heart where a radiopaque (can be seen on X-ray) dye is injected and the Doc and visually evaluate the circulation in the coronary arteries. If he finds a blockage he can open it with the probe, then insert a tiny spring-like device called a stent to help keep it open.
David
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 12:37:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 12:37:00 PM EDT
"no quitar el dedo del renglón" - hat could be like "keep your eyes on the prize" or "keep your eye on the ball," maybe. Maybe I'll think of a better one later...
I'm still catching up. I watched Weds and Thurs so far and am halfway through Friday's. Then I'll read this recap. (Just trying to spread out the fun!)
I'm still catching up. I watched Weds and Thurs so far and am halfway through Friday's. Then I'll read this recap. (Just trying to spread out the fun!)
Thanks for the fun recap Mads!
I thought everyone at the fundraiser looked great, except Fer in that eggplant (or should I say aubergine) colored suit. Yuck! But Chulo was the best looking man of all. I don't know why Pati made him change out of the gray suit he arrived wearing, into the dark suit she brought for him. He looked equally delicious in both. I think she just wanted an excuse to feel him up, and perhaps an opportunity to see the goods (that's why they were in the bathroom). I don't blame her. ;-)
I really hope all these things AltaAlma is noticing about selfish, insensitive Rogue will add up to a cancelled wedding, and soon!
I thought everyone at the fundraiser looked great, except Fer in that eggplant (or should I say aubergine) colored suit. Yuck! But Chulo was the best looking man of all. I don't know why Pati made him change out of the gray suit he arrived wearing, into the dark suit she brought for him. He looked equally delicious in both. I think she just wanted an excuse to feel him up, and perhaps an opportunity to see the goods (that's why they were in the bathroom). I don't blame her. ;-)
I really hope all these things AltaAlma is noticing about selfish, insensitive Rogue will add up to a cancelled wedding, and soon!
Julie- Yes, it seems "don't take your eyes off the ball" is the equivalent in English to "no quitar el dedo del renglón".
A search online shows that there are two old sayings in English that are the equivalent to the "las penas con pan..." saying, but they have falen out of use in English long ago. Perhaps increased wealth in a society is the reason? Here are the two I found:
"All griefs with bread are less."
"Sorrows great are lessened with meat."
A search online shows that there are two old sayings in English that are the equivalent to the "las penas con pan..." saying, but they have falen out of use in English long ago. Perhaps increased wealth in a society is the reason? Here are the two I found:
"All griefs with bread are less."
"Sorrows great are lessened with meat."
I much preferred Chucho's original suit. Sure, we've seen him in it before. (Was it the interview or the first day of work or both?) But there's nothing like a white shirt underneath a suit on a man like that--and combined with that pale yellow tie... Edible. The dark suit and blue shirt were banal in comparison.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 5:53:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 5:53:00 PM EDT
I've definitely heard "sorrows are less with bread" in English recently. I think it was in the horrible movie "Red Riding Hood." (Eating bread while watching the movie doesn't improve the movie. It makes the bread seem worse.)
I figure Pati made Chucho change his suit because his probably wasn't a designer suit of the very latest fashion, and hers probably was. And she didn't want to be seen with someone who looked like he couldn't afford a new purp- er, aubergine designer suit.
I figure Pati made Chucho change his suit because his probably wasn't a designer suit of the very latest fashion, and hers probably was. And she didn't want to be seen with someone who looked like he couldn't afford a new purp- er, aubergine designer suit.
Good Evening Y'all and thanks for all the great comments.
Pablo:
I always enjoy your comments so much. Since you are a native speaker I love all your cultural comments, the timelines and also the sayings and how they translate to English. Thank you so very much. I had a rough time recapping UFCS because of the slang but I loved that TN.
JudyB:
I am going to have to get that DVD of Alborada. I have heard so much about it and it's so cool to have a friend watch with you. Mr Mads goes to bed early but sometimes he'll stay up and watch PEAM. He thinks it is hilarious.
Jarifa:
My favorite scene was also the one you described with Elias and Valentina. I think Valentina has so much fun with her two Daddies. If she had to stay with her Mama all the time without the Daddies it would be rough. Also agree with you about Rog being a little man.
Lee:
I agree with you about the makeup here on this TN. You'd think with all the product placements for Avon and this TN is supposed to be at Avon, the makeup should be way better than it is. In UFCS the makeup was far superior, it took place at Avon too, but not so many Product placements for Avon, go figure. And that mascara has got to go. The horror of the raccoon eyes, lol.
Pablo:
I always enjoy your comments so much. Since you are a native speaker I love all your cultural comments, the timelines and also the sayings and how they translate to English. Thank you so very much. I had a rough time recapping UFCS because of the slang but I loved that TN.
JudyB:
I am going to have to get that DVD of Alborada. I have heard so much about it and it's so cool to have a friend watch with you. Mr Mads goes to bed early but sometimes he'll stay up and watch PEAM. He thinks it is hilarious.
Jarifa:
My favorite scene was also the one you described with Elias and Valentina. I think Valentina has so much fun with her two Daddies. If she had to stay with her Mama all the time without the Daddies it would be rough. Also agree with you about Rog being a little man.
Lee:
I agree with you about the makeup here on this TN. You'd think with all the product placements for Avon and this TN is supposed to be at Avon, the makeup should be way better than it is. In UFCS the makeup was far superior, it took place at Avon too, but not so many Product placements for Avon, go figure. And that mascara has got to go. The horror of the raccoon eyes, lol.
Variopinta:
I like your sayings too. Chucho is delicious I must say : )
David:
Thank you so much for the explanation of the pre-infarto. So he had angina. Why didn't they just say "angina de pecho"? That would have made more sense. That's why I couldn't understand why he said pre-infarto. I thought an infarto is an infarto. Pre or otherwise. Thanks so much for the layman's terms too. It was so easy to understand : )
I like the discussion of the pan. Judy B, Julie, and Vivi, could it be full belly, warm heart maybe?
Vivi:
So agree with you about all the people at the fund raiser and how they looked. Fer is always over the top. I am waiting for him to show up in neon green next, lol, which by the way is all the rage this coming summer, along with all the dayglo colors. Oh, OT I caught a bit of Gorda y Flaca the other day and wouldn't you know it, there were those shorts on the hostess of the show. Not the lacy ones, but the same but solid in pale blue. It wasn't Ms Estefan. It was a younger lady. I had to laugh.
Utah Desert and Vivi:
So agree with you about Chucho's original suit. I don't know why he had to change either. He is one of those men that would look good in a caveman outfit, jus' sayin' ; )
Julie:
You are probably right about the designer suit. Chucho's must have paled in comparison, but he'd look good in just his undies, unlike Fern ; )
I like your sayings too. Chucho is delicious I must say : )
David:
Thank you so much for the explanation of the pre-infarto. So he had angina. Why didn't they just say "angina de pecho"? That would have made more sense. That's why I couldn't understand why he said pre-infarto. I thought an infarto is an infarto. Pre or otherwise. Thanks so much for the layman's terms too. It was so easy to understand : )
I like the discussion of the pan. Judy B, Julie, and Vivi, could it be full belly, warm heart maybe?
Vivi:
So agree with you about all the people at the fund raiser and how they looked. Fer is always over the top. I am waiting for him to show up in neon green next, lol, which by the way is all the rage this coming summer, along with all the dayglo colors. Oh, OT I caught a bit of Gorda y Flaca the other day and wouldn't you know it, there were those shorts on the hostess of the show. Not the lacy ones, but the same but solid in pale blue. It wasn't Ms Estefan. It was a younger lady. I had to laugh.
Utah Desert and Vivi:
So agree with you about Chucho's original suit. I don't know why he had to change either. He is one of those men that would look good in a caveman outfit, jus' sayin' ; )
Julie:
You are probably right about the designer suit. Chucho's must have paled in comparison, but he'd look good in just his undies, unlike Fern ; )
OK, "Pedro de Avelos" is what the captions say for the owner of Chucho's place. It's hard to verify that when Chatita says it, but then Jesus says "Pedrito" so that's clearer. As for the last name, "de Avelos" is reasonable, or it could be "Davelos" if that's a name.
I don't know if we'll ever actually see that character again - and if we do, I won't recognize him. But at least now we kind of know his name. :)
I don't know if we'll ever actually see that character again - and if we do, I won't recognize him. But at least now we kind of know his name. :)
I haven't been reading the PEAM discussions regularly, so forgive me if I'm rehashing something that's been discussed to death. But here it is:
I like Pati. At first, I ignored her, because I assumed she was the generic bimbo character. (I also admit that I have not been watching every minute of every episode.) But then I caught a glimpse of her ogling Chucho, and I thought, hey, there's something different.
Yes, Pati expresses herself in very, very, very broad comedy, but she's original. (As far as I know.) She doesn't fall into the usual female comedic stereotypes used in farces. The actress is willing to contort her face in unpretty ways and use physical comedy--all in all more like a classic male buffoon character.
And then the character herself has storyline potential--yes, she's the girlfriend on the side, and yes, she's funny, but she's not dumb, and she's not evil. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Pati.
I like Pati. At first, I ignored her, because I assumed she was the generic bimbo character. (I also admit that I have not been watching every minute of every episode.) But then I caught a glimpse of her ogling Chucho, and I thought, hey, there's something different.
Yes, Pati expresses herself in very, very, very broad comedy, but she's original. (As far as I know.) She doesn't fall into the usual female comedic stereotypes used in farces. The actress is willing to contort her face in unpretty ways and use physical comedy--all in all more like a classic male buffoon character.
And then the character herself has storyline potential--yes, she's the girlfriend on the side, and yes, she's funny, but she's not dumb, and she's not evil. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Pati.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:00:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:00:00 PM EDT
I am sure is Pedro Dávalos. The caption Lady also splits Rivadeneira spelling it wrong: Riva de Neira.
But I wouldn't be surprised, compared to other major mistakes, this is peccata minuta. ;-)
But I wouldn't be surprised, compared to other major mistakes, this is peccata minuta. ;-)
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:04:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:04:00 PM EDT
UtahDesert:
I so agree with you about Paty. She is very different and I also like her facial contortions and all the funny comments she makes and I love the way she says Chucho's name as Haysoooos. It is too cute. I don't believe she is truly evil either. She just wants Rog all to herself, but she knows he is a bad hat. She doesn't realize all the things Rog has done, but she may just want Rog because he is unattainable. I think if he was available, she'd eventually see thru him far faster than Alma would.
I so agree with you about Paty. She is very different and I also like her facial contortions and all the funny comments she makes and I love the way she says Chucho's name as Haysoooos. It is too cute. I don't believe she is truly evil either. She just wants Rog all to herself, but she knows he is a bad hat. She doesn't realize all the things Rog has done, but she may just want Rog because he is unattainable. I think if he was available, she'd eventually see thru him far faster than Alma would.
I like Pati too. Before the TN started, the previews lead me to believe that she was the ''friend'' who was bedding all her friends boyfriends, but turned out she is only with one and she is faithful to him, even when he is not. She knows it and she is honest to herself.
I like the way her role is written and the way she delivers it. She is so far, the best character I have seen.
I would like to see her with someone who really appreciates her and not Rogelio, who is only playing with her.
I like the way her role is written and the way she delivers it. She is so far, the best character I have seen.
I would like to see her with someone who really appreciates her and not Rogelio, who is only playing with her.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:08:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:08:00 PM EDT
Pablo and Julie:
Thanks so much for the name of the guy that owns the apartment. Maybe I am better off with out the captions. They sound confusing : )
Thanks so much for the name of the guy that owns the apartment. Maybe I am better off with out the captions. They sound confusing : )
Hi Mads thanks for the recap. Your commentary about Chucho was hilarious and spot on regarding his fineness. And the Brothers Dimm are just so stupid.
Yeah, like watching three TN in one:
The one in spanish, the spanish captions and the english captions.
For me the ''Caption lady'' who is actually the one who also makes up this nonexistent words and numbers in the captchas, is a ROBOT.
I am sure captions, unlike subtitles, are created by some software and are being transcripted along the way, since they are also unsynchronized. In my experience I think they show up way after the spoken words. So, I am just making fun of them, because I don't have anything better to do, LOL!!
Please bear with me...
The one in spanish, the spanish captions and the english captions.
For me the ''Caption lady'' who is actually the one who also makes up this nonexistent words and numbers in the captchas, is a ROBOT.
I am sure captions, unlike subtitles, are created by some software and are being transcripted along the way, since they are also unsynchronized. In my experience I think they show up way after the spoken words. So, I am just making fun of them, because I don't have anything better to do, LOL!!
Please bear with me...
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:31:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:31:00 PM EDT
Pablo:
Please click on my avatar and email me please? I have a language question too lengthy to post here. Thank you.
Please click on my avatar and email me please? I have a language question too lengthy to post here. Thank you.
Thanks so much, recapping gremio, for your stellar work this week! I caught most of the episodes either on Hulu or in my hotel, but I didn't quite get to all the comments. I'll be home on Tuesday and hope to get back on track then.
Pablo, the expression in English for "el mundo es un pañuelo" is just "small world!" I like it better in Spanish.
Pablo, the expression in English for "el mundo es un pañuelo" is just "small world!" I like it better in Spanish.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:34:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:34:00 PM EDT
Thanks!
And there is another uneducated version:
''World is a handkerchief, full of boogers''
Who said we couldn't learn from TN, right?
And there is another uneducated version:
''World is a handkerchief, full of boogers''
Who said we couldn't learn from TN, right?
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:38:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:38:00 PM EDT
As for the saying about full belly and happy heart, I have my own personal dicho: "there's no problem that can't be solved with Chinese food." It's untrue, but I usually say it after I've been to a place that serves lots of fruity umbrella drinks. I'm sure those aren't a factor, though.
BTW, anyone who needs "suéltame" for Bingo got it last night. I'm trying to decide if I can count Chucho's decking the borracho as "fistfight." It wasn't much of a fight. :(
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:44:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 9:44:00 PM EDT
Madelaine
Please ask your language question here. I'm sure nobody will mind & we can learn sth.
I love all the language stuff & so glad we have Pablo.
Please ask your language question here. I'm sure nobody will mind & we can learn sth.
I love all the language stuff & so glad we have Pablo.
Variopinta:
Ok, I'll ask. There was a question asked over on Amores about the translation of prostitute. The word the commenter used was teibolera, but I couldn't find it. Is there a slang word for prostitute? All I found on line and in my dictionary was falana and prostitute. Is there anything close to this word the commenter used? Just curious, since I am not good at slang : )
Ok, I'll ask. There was a question asked over on Amores about the translation of prostitute. The word the commenter used was teibolera, but I couldn't find it. Is there a slang word for prostitute? All I found on line and in my dictionary was falana and prostitute. Is there anything close to this word the commenter used? Just curious, since I am not good at slang : )
Sorry, typos again, I meant fulana or prostituta. There was some confusion about whether the character was a stripper or a prostitute. I am sure she was a prostitute and not a stripper.
In México we call ''teibolera'' to the prostitute that does pole dancing or table dancing, therefore the name.
Fulana is not a prostitute, she is just someone whose name you don't know and you have to address her, is in some way pejorative, but not as a sex worker pejorative.
Is someone familiar with the term ''fulano, zutano y perengano''?
For prostitute we could fill a whole handbook, since we have prostituta, puta, guila, ramera, proxeneta, pirindonga, meretriz, buscona, hetaira, callejera, and so on...
Fulana is not a prostitute, she is just someone whose name you don't know and you have to address her, is in some way pejorative, but not as a sex worker pejorative.
Is someone familiar with the term ''fulano, zutano y perengano''?
For prostitute we could fill a whole handbook, since we have prostituta, puta, guila, ramera, proxeneta, pirindonga, meretriz, buscona, hetaira, callejera, and so on...
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 10:35:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 10:35:00 PM EDT
Pablo- We have had extensive conversations on this blog about ALL the MANY names for slut in Spanish. It boggles the mind!
I always took fulana to be "that so and so". La fulana ese.
I always took fulana to be "that so and so". La fulana ese.
Fulano(a) is always the first way we choose to name someone whose name we don't know or we don't wanna say it.
Then comes Zutano(a) and in third place, Perengano(a), for those occasions when we have to address more than one person. For 4 or more we have Sersiana.
This is what I like from blogs like this, where many people can add to the learning experience. I would like to know the equivalent in english. Is it something like John, Dick and Jane?
BTW, John Doe (any person) in México is Juan Pérez.
Then comes Zutano(a) and in third place, Perengano(a), for those occasions when we have to address more than one person. For 4 or more we have Sersiana.
This is what I like from blogs like this, where many people can add to the learning experience. I would like to know the equivalent in english. Is it something like John, Dick and Jane?
BTW, John Doe (any person) in México is Juan Pérez.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 11:03:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 11:03:00 PM EDT
We call those people "Tom, Dick, and Harry." They're loosely related to the mysterious "John Q. Public." I can't think of an equivalent way to refer to three women whose names we don't know. I usually call them "What's-her-face, Whoosie, and Whatchamacaller." I don't know of a standard set of three girl names.
The way "fulana" is used, it sounds like when someone would say "that little chickie" (or "that little chippy" or "that girl" or "that broad"... you get the idea).
The way "fulana" is used, it sounds like when someone would say "that little chickie" (or "that little chippy" or "that girl" or "that broad"... you get the idea).
LOL!
That watchamacallit was hilarious!
I get it.
See you all tomorrow, I am off to watch SNL with the funny Melissa McCarthy, g'nite...
That watchamacallit was hilarious!
I get it.
See you all tomorrow, I am off to watch SNL with the funny Melissa McCarthy, g'nite...
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 11:16:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 6, 2013 at 11:16:00 PM EDT
For Tom, Dick or Harry, I've heard
Fulano, Mengano y Zutano
Ramera, puta, zorra for prostituta
ramera a lot in TN's
Fulano, Mengano y Zutano
Ramera, puta, zorra for prostituta
ramera a lot in TN's
OK, finished watching, finished reading. Madelaine, your last couple of recaps have been really good (not that the previous ones weren't good too, but these have been snappier).
I am amazed by the things Valentina overheard her mother say about getting rid of Chucho. What is that woman thinking? Anyone would have thought she was putting a hit on him.
When the only concern Rogue's expressed about Mr. Smokes-too-much was financial, I wondered how Alma could possibly stay engaged to him (not that she ever officially said yes), but at the end of the episode it was looking like that could change. I'm excited, and not just because WEDDING DERAILED is a corner square on my bingo card. ;-) Rog really reminds me of Plutarco from PESE. He's too self-absorbed to notice Alma's feelings, but who worries about the feelings of a possession? Too bad he can't marry his dog.
And Chucho sometimes reminds me of Pancho (from UFCS) and/or Gomer Pyle. He takes the blame for a huge blunder and it comes out in his favor. I'd like a piece of that luck!
In Mari's defense, I wouldn't have been eager to get into Ricardo's car either. Thing looks like it has the Fred Flintstone Braking System and could collapse beneat them at any moment.
David, thanks for explaining "pre-infarto." What an odd term.
Anon#1, I didn't recognize Alma with her hair up and raccoon eyes either, if it's any consolation. I always say I'm confused by hair, but in this case the makeup was so bad that even if I ignored the hair I still wasn't sure if it was her!
I am amazed by the things Valentina overheard her mother say about getting rid of Chucho. What is that woman thinking? Anyone would have thought she was putting a hit on him.
When the only concern Rogue's expressed about Mr. Smokes-too-much was financial, I wondered how Alma could possibly stay engaged to him (not that she ever officially said yes), but at the end of the episode it was looking like that could change. I'm excited, and not just because WEDDING DERAILED is a corner square on my bingo card. ;-) Rog really reminds me of Plutarco from PESE. He's too self-absorbed to notice Alma's feelings, but who worries about the feelings of a possession? Too bad he can't marry his dog.
And Chucho sometimes reminds me of Pancho (from UFCS) and/or Gomer Pyle. He takes the blame for a huge blunder and it comes out in his favor. I'd like a piece of that luck!
In Mari's defense, I wouldn't have been eager to get into Ricardo's car either. Thing looks like it has the Fred Flintstone Braking System and could collapse beneat them at any moment.
David, thanks for explaining "pre-infarto." What an odd term.
Anon#1, I didn't recognize Alma with her hair up and raccoon eyes either, if it's any consolation. I always say I'm confused by hair, but in this case the makeup was so bad that even if I ignored the hair I still wasn't sure if it was her!
Thanks for this nifty recap Marta. Great job.
I thought that Alma and Pati both looked stunning in those outfits. I thought Jesús looked very stylish in both suits and really didn't see the need for a makeover. Rog's suit on the other hand was a very curious choice that I didn't understand. Is piping on suit lapels considered stylish these days?
I thought that Roni may have been the most fetching of all the ladies in that simple white robe. Elias certainly didn't seem reluctant to join her. Maybe they shared a light snack of bean sprouts and a cup of chamomile tea before getting down to cosas.
I wonder where the cute metal sculpture of a kangaroo that is on Elias' desk came from...a whimsical gift from a playful Verónica perhaps?
Susanlynn, you may just have to accept that Jesús likes the look of the sweater draped around the shoulders... I don't think that we've seen the last of that.
Carlos
I thought that Alma and Pati both looked stunning in those outfits. I thought Jesús looked very stylish in both suits and really didn't see the need for a makeover. Rog's suit on the other hand was a very curious choice that I didn't understand. Is piping on suit lapels considered stylish these days?
I thought that Roni may have been the most fetching of all the ladies in that simple white robe. Elias certainly didn't seem reluctant to join her. Maybe they shared a light snack of bean sprouts and a cup of chamomile tea before getting down to cosas.
I wonder where the cute metal sculpture of a kangaroo that is on Elias' desk came from...a whimsical gift from a playful Verónica perhaps?
Susanlynn, you may just have to accept that Jesús likes the look of the sweater draped around the shoulders... I don't think that we've seen the last of that.
Carlos
Thanks, Madelaine! Fun recap of a fun episode. I absolutely loved the scene between Chucho and Don Max: Chucho's baffled, affable acceptance of Don Max's undying admiration contrasted with Rog's sputtering frustration. I can't wait for the besos and declaration of "te quiero"! Yaaay!
Lila
Lila
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 7, 2013 at 5:25:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 7, 2013 at 5:25:00 PM EDT
Coming in late this weekend. One son with a senior recital and another graduating soon...craziness in prepping. And work to do on a weekend. What a treat to take a breather finally and read your recap Madeleine.
Seems the TN is starting to get in stride. Guess we can't lose the sound effects. But we are starting to get some depth to characters now and a couple side plots. Wonder how much longer Alma will put up with Rog. She seems more tome now ticked at him or rolling her eyes. Some fiance..
Patimelt is so growing on me. Can we get her someone decent to hook up with eventually?
And like most everyone I am really not loving poor Valentina having to deal with her mother. That was just heartbreaking seeing her have to ask Elias for help. The way they both walk on egg shells on that house ...just sad.
Seems the TN is starting to get in stride. Guess we can't lose the sound effects. But we are starting to get some depth to characters now and a couple side plots. Wonder how much longer Alma will put up with Rog. She seems more tome now ticked at him or rolling her eyes. Some fiance..
Patimelt is so growing on me. Can we get her someone decent to hook up with eventually?
And like most everyone I am really not loving poor Valentina having to deal with her mother. That was just heartbreaking seeing her have to ask Elias for help. The way they both walk on egg shells on that house ...just sad.
Good evening y'all and thanks for more great comments and alternate names for ho. Thanks. I didn't know there were so many.
Karen:
So happy you are here : ) The brothers Dimm are too stupid for words, lol. But they are funny.
Blue Lass- enjoy yourself. It's good to put your feet up and relax : )
Julie:
Lol'd about your Chinese food comment and the umbrella drinks.
Carlos:
Lol'd about your comment about Vero. She was acting all frisky and Elias was jumping for joy I think : )
Lila:
I too liked that scene with Don Max and Chucho. I really thought Don Max was gonna lay into to him about those emailed pics but when he thanked him, that was too funny and the smoke coming out of Rog's ears was the best part!
Blue:
You are right. That wasn't really a fistfight it was a knockout. Chucho won that one hands down, lol.
Julie:
I also agree with you all your comments. I don't see what Alma sees in Rog either. He is another lying liar. He does remind me of Pluti. I really hope that Alma opens her eyes before she decides to marry him. Of course she hasn't said yes, so maybe there won't be one. We can always hope.
Karen:
So happy you are here : ) The brothers Dimm are too stupid for words, lol. But they are funny.
Blue Lass- enjoy yourself. It's good to put your feet up and relax : )
Julie:
Lol'd about your Chinese food comment and the umbrella drinks.
Carlos:
Lol'd about your comment about Vero. She was acting all frisky and Elias was jumping for joy I think : )
Lila:
I too liked that scene with Don Max and Chucho. I really thought Don Max was gonna lay into to him about those emailed pics but when he thanked him, that was too funny and the smoke coming out of Rog's ears was the best part!
Blue:
You are right. That wasn't really a fistfight it was a knockout. Chucho won that one hands down, lol.
Julie:
I also agree with you all your comments. I don't see what Alma sees in Rog either. He is another lying liar. He does remind me of Pluti. I really hope that Alma opens her eyes before she decides to marry him. Of course she hasn't said yes, so maybe there won't be one. We can always hope.
The actress who plays Pati reminds me of a young Lucille Ball. Not afraid to look funny.
Fulana can be pejorative in Spain but not in Mexico. In Spain it CAN mean something like Bimbo.
The actess who plays Xochi is the singer in the opening song.
Fulana can be pejorative in Spain but not in Mexico. In Spain it CAN mean something like Bimbo.
The actess who plays Xochi is the singer in the opening song.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 7, 2013 at 8:46:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 7, 2013 at 8:46:00 PM EDT
Anon 8:46:
Liked your comment about Paty. She is quite funny and she does physical comedy well.
The actress that plays Xochi is Kika Edgar. The opening them song is sung by America Sierra featuring 3ballMTY.
Liked your comment about Paty. She is quite funny and she does physical comedy well.
The actress that plays Xochi is Kika Edgar. The opening them song is sung by America Sierra featuring 3ballMTY.
Terrific, fun recap Mads -- thanks so much!
Has anyone else noticed that Pati uses this "vocal fry" thing that language people have been noticing in the speech of young American women?
If you're interested, check this out:
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/
I hear this phenomenon all the time in English but this is the first time I have noticed it in Spanish. But maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention ...
Has anyone else noticed that Pati uses this "vocal fry" thing that language people have been noticing in the speech of young American women?
If you're interested, check this out:
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/
I hear this phenomenon all the time in English but this is the first time I have noticed it in Spanish. But maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention ...
NovelaMaven:
I had to laugh, I just had to through that whole link. It reminds me of Katherine Hepburn, meets Valley Girl. It is annoying and I get what you mean about the Spanish speech now. I do hear it and will listening for it. Thanks for the link.
I had to laugh, I just had to through that whole link. It reminds me of Katherine Hepburn, meets Valley Girl. It is annoying and I get what you mean about the Spanish speech now. I do hear it and will listening for it. Thanks for the link.
Very interesting Novela Maven. This same actress used that fry tones in Dinero and the heroine also used it somewhat in answering her in a mocking way. But I never knew there was a word for it and the use of the word "fry" to describe it is...puzzling.
Yeah, that's irritating!
If you are familiar with the term ''fresa'' or kid from upper status, they talk somewhat like that. Marisela has that ''I am rich'' tone, and Pati, who is also rich has another slightly different.
I like Pati's, I feel she is making it her own personalized thing.
Maybe you saw RBD or that other TN with Patito where Marisela was part of some group of kids who felt they were superior to the nerds or something like that.
I have a friend who only speaks like that when she talks to her daughter and it is indeed distracting and a little annoying...
If you are familiar with the term ''fresa'' or kid from upper status, they talk somewhat like that. Marisela has that ''I am rich'' tone, and Pati, who is also rich has another slightly different.
I like Pati's, I feel she is making it her own personalized thing.
Maybe you saw RBD or that other TN with Patito where Marisela was part of some group of kids who felt they were superior to the nerds or something like that.
I have a friend who only speaks like that when she talks to her daughter and it is indeed distracting and a little annoying...
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 8, 2013 at 12:09:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 8, 2013 at 12:09:00 PM EDT
Vocal fry is a new one to me, Urban dictionary doesn't even have it.
There is another way of speaking in Spanish. I hear it in a commercial.
I hope I can describe it so you know what I mean. I don't understand the words & can't give an example
sounds like
sho
in a nasal tone
I think it is probably colloquial
There is another way of speaking in Spanish. I hear it in a commercial.
I hope I can describe it so you know what I mean. I don't understand the words & can't give an example
sounds like
sho
in a nasal tone
I think it is probably colloquial
How interesting. How does verbal fry relate to fresa and valley girl speak? Are they both a version of verbal fry?
This young woman does an example of fry tones, and uptones too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsE5mysfZsY
Here's a great example of vocal fry (also called vocal creak) as well as a kind of technical explanation of the phenomenon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsE5mysfZsY
It's kind of valley-girlish and seems right at home in the mouth of fresas. I had just never noticed Spanish speakers creaking before. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsE5mysfZsY
It's kind of valley-girlish and seems right at home in the mouth of fresas. I had just never noticed Spanish speakers creaking before. :)
Variopinta, what commercial is that in? It sounds to me like it could be an Argentinean accent, where y and ll are pronounced "sh".
I think Paticake is entertaining in the way she talks. MariContrari is a little irritating to listen to, to me. Her unnatural-sounding affect comes off more err-derr overbitey mouthbreather than upperclass to my ears and eyes.
Mari's home did look nasty and depressing. It was a little surprising. Her father seems to have steady employment. Do garbage collectors make so little money that they can't even afford a basic but clean apartment or small house that doesn't look like it's make of garbage bags and twine? Or does he just prefer his lifestyle? Around here, garbage collection is a gross but decent-paying job.
Why did Chucho get the credit/blame for the smoking email? I thought Susana was the one who sent it.
I can't think of a good English equivalent of the bread adage. People do sometimes talk about drowning their sorrows with food or drink, but that isn't quite the same.
Alma seems to be getting more and more annoyed by Rogue. How long until she snaps? I'm looking forward to tonight.
I think Paticake is entertaining in the way she talks. MariContrari is a little irritating to listen to, to me. Her unnatural-sounding affect comes off more err-derr overbitey mouthbreather than upperclass to my ears and eyes.
Mari's home did look nasty and depressing. It was a little surprising. Her father seems to have steady employment. Do garbage collectors make so little money that they can't even afford a basic but clean apartment or small house that doesn't look like it's make of garbage bags and twine? Or does he just prefer his lifestyle? Around here, garbage collection is a gross but decent-paying job.
Why did Chucho get the credit/blame for the smoking email? I thought Susana was the one who sent it.
I can't think of a good English equivalent of the bread adage. People do sometimes talk about drowning their sorrows with food or drink, but that isn't quite the same.
Alma seems to be getting more and more annoyed by Rogue. How long until she snaps? I'm looking forward to tonight.
This is so interesting. I just listened to a podcast on "Vocal Creak" on Lexicon Valley last week. Before that I had never heard of it but had heard it in English speech and never really thought about it. Now I will have to listen to Pati more carefully. Thanks, NovelaMaven, for bringing it up.
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Variopinta...I think I know the voice you're talking about...she does all the pharmaceutical and acne medication ads on Univision. A young voice and she kind of wraps it around the catch phrase. I get a kick out of it.
Julie...Chucho took the blame for the smoking snafu because Susanna was terrified she'd lose her job over it; her husband has been unemployed for several years and they depend on her income.
Julie...Chucho took the blame for the smoking snafu because Susanna was terrified she'd lose her job over it; her husband has been unemployed for several years and they depend on her income.
Madelaine, I am very late to the party to give my thanks for this wonderful recap you have given us once again. You did a marvy job with many laughs. Draped like a mink stole maybe is my favorite, what we FC fans all want to be doing.
I am more and more a Pati fan, since her love of Roge (why o why, girl) is more sincere than anyone else's love of him, she has as much right to him as any. He wants to marry Alma for the trophy prestige and I assume her money or ability to make money is reassuring to him but he actually is only happy when he is able to be off playing with the fun-loving Pati. I hope she doesn't get crushed in the scramble when all is said and done.
At least half the world eats to console themselves when upset (those that can get enough food) so the adage works for me since I am one of those types.
Great discussions this weekend and interesting takes on vocabulary, medical conditions, etc. Thanks to all.
I now wonder if Don Max will think about what an uncovered treasure Chucho is and make him an offer to become one of HIS executives. That will upset nearly every other character for some real fun!
I am more and more a Pati fan, since her love of Roge (why o why, girl) is more sincere than anyone else's love of him, she has as much right to him as any. He wants to marry Alma for the trophy prestige and I assume her money or ability to make money is reassuring to him but he actually is only happy when he is able to be off playing with the fun-loving Pati. I hope she doesn't get crushed in the scramble when all is said and done.
At least half the world eats to console themselves when upset (those that can get enough food) so the adage works for me since I am one of those types.
Great discussions this weekend and interesting takes on vocabulary, medical conditions, etc. Thanks to all.
I now wonder if Don Max will think about what an uncovered treasure Chucho is and make him an offer to become one of HIS executives. That will upset nearly every other character for some real fun!
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So agree with you about Valentina, I hate that she has to walk on eggshells at home. I loved the adventure Val and Chucho had on the bus and at his house. I wish she could spend more time with
Chucho. She'd have a lot more fun.
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So agree with you about Valentina, I hate that she has to walk on eggshells at home. I loved the adventure Val and Chucho had on the bus and at his house. I wish she could spend more time with
Chucho. She'd have a lot more fun.
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