Saturday, April 20, 2013
Qué Bonito Amor #5 (Mex 7-8.1) Friday 4/19/13 Can The New Cock On The Block Crow Or No?
[Reminder Against Comparisons: Gang, please remember that a great number of us have never seen the original and in your discussions it is sometimes impossible to avoid spoilers because we have no idea if the refrito will be true to that part of the story or what the writers may have in mind. You may wish to have a separate discussion under your own posting page. I hope you'll understand and if a comment or two goes missing that will be why. --ed.]
Col walks back out and spies the Maria and JA walking across the plaza together, then sneaks a jealous peek from behind a pillar.
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Parte 2 ~~
Labels: QBA
I'm one of those who watched and thoroughly enjoyed LHdM. I completely understand and agree with the request that we not discuss plot details or plot development from the original but I almost get the impression that we are being asked to refrain from any mention of the original at all.
I can't see the harm in comparing the various characters in this with their corresponding characters in the original version, especially discussion about casting choices and contrasting the personalities between the two versions.
Nor can I see the a problem with comparing events in the two shows after the fact.
I don't speak for anyone but myself here this morning, but with there have already been enough admonitions to avoid references to LHdM to make me reluctant to contribute to the discussion here.
Carlos
Jarifa
La Joya del Norte
I enjoyed last night's episode. It is a bit pokey (which I assume is why Univision is plowing through these first episodes by cramming 1-1/2 episodes into each night). But I don't care!
LOL the dubbed voice of Santos/Jorge. It just doesn't "look" right. But oh well, I have a beanie!
As for comparisons to the previous novela. I think there is a concern that it will dominate the discussion, and in a way that is a drag.
We discuss the previous incarnation of "Amores Verdaderos" sometimes in our discussions, but it never gets to be too much, just a brief mention now and then. I know that there are those who loved the previous version of this show (with Mark Tacher) and maybe there is a fear of not only spoilers, but things along the lines of "I can't believe they butchered this fine story, the Mark Tacher version was soooo much better!" Let's be honest, nobody needs that. But, I don't know if it's going in that direction really, only that maybe there's a concern?
I personally don't mind an occasional mention of a previous version, as long as there isn't a lot of griping and a lot of spoilers or excessive comparisons. Most novelas I've watched here on Caray have had previous versions that we occasionally discuss. "La Duena" became "Soy tu Duena" and there were several versions of "Teresa" before the one we saw recently, LQNPA had a couple of versions prior, and the same with Amores Verdaderos too. So what is unique about this novela that we're getting gun-shy about any discussions of the previous versions? That's what we should pinpoint and then agree to avoid, I guess?
Anyway, back to talking about the novela. I screamed that they ended the episode where they did. GAH! And I am an idiot, because I don't know, what was soooo bad with how Jorge Alfredo was singing? I take it from the reactions of everyone that he sucked, presumably in his interpretation of the song. His voice sounded fine to me, though.
"As for comparisons to the previous novela. I think there is a concern that it will dominate the discussion, and in a way that is a drag."
Yes.
"I can't see the harm in comparing the various characters in this with their corresponding characters in the original version, especially discussion about casting choices and contrasting the personalities between the two versions.
Nor can I see the a problem with comparing events in the two shows after the fact."
Me either! ITA.
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It was a suggestion--nothing more-- because concerns had been raised and presented to me. I've revamped the request for caution and hope that will suffice, and that any ruffled feathers will be smoothed. & : ? )
I'm trying to think of how I've seen refritos discussed in other novelas:
LQNPA: We talked about the previous versions, which were vastly different than LQNPA (and that became obvious early in, because the Rogelio character was a "hero" and in the previous versions he was a villain). Discussing the reasons for the change (the producer has a reputation for pushing it), and stuff like that. Discussion of what we already know to be fact or set in stone. Wondering if what we think is going to happen without bringing up what happened in previous versions. (Just like we would anyway.)
Amores: Discussing events after the fact. "The strip tease scene in the previous version came sooner. The bodyguard in the previous version was younger. Here's a clip on YouTube." It's already been viewed so it's safe for us to discuss.
I find discussions of previous versions to be interesting, but with each show so far, it's never been a dominating factor. I imagine that if it were to become so, and if the discussion started to go along the lines of "this show sucks compared to the previous version" all the time, then that would become tedious.
I'm still hurting over AB and LQNPA being over and having been so good, that I'm not into this one yet. However, many thanks to 5ft for her suggestions.
Loriloo, La Flor del Sofa
The one show that was a remake that stands out most in my mind was LFMB and I seem to recall (especially early on) a number of negative (almost resentful) comments comparing LFMB to YSBlF, complete with occasional spoilers. As the show progressed those comments (many by surly anons as I think back on it) seemed to dwindle and die off. However, enough good things about the original were pointed out that I was motivated to watch YSBlF when I had the opportunity. I still can't say for certain which is my favorite version.
There seems to be a lot of negativity at Caray Caray toward Salvador Mejía but I really have really gotten a kick out of his shows. He offers up everything I expect from a TN, often in double doses. His casting is often genius but often puzzling as well. He's made some odd choices for this but I'm willing to sit back and see how they work out.
Now I'm off to watch the rest of last night's episode in order to determine the beverage to accompany your recap with. I suspect it will be lemonade with occasional sips of Tequila.
Carlos
I laugh at how the LAPD is speaking in Spanish in America, the fact you know it's America by the big American flag & how they are pretty much Keystone Kops.
That lady of the night was a wee bit too old in the face to be tricking. Just sayin'.
I am so looking forward to your recap. I like this TN for the music and Pablo Montero, sigh! As Elvira said, we do discuss former versions of AV but only after something has happened. I have deleted a spoiler or two from the board, but all in all we haven't had any spoilers and the discussions are great. I agree with what you, Carlos and Elvira all said : )
1. Senor Jorge Salinas (YIKES, the man is an absolute dream!
2. Maria's clothes. I LOVE her clothes and I want those clothes!!!
Fatima
Believe me, I tried that novela, but the first week was SO depressing to me that I jumped ship. It seemed a bit abusive on a number of counts, so it was a no go.
Am so glad you are here with this novela. Always enjoy your comments.
Fatima...I guess I will have to think up a moniker for myself, but with a name like "Fatima", I guess it says it all!
Didn't see the original, so I don't have anything to compare it to (not that I would) and I'm enjoying this so far.
I don't like Mejia's tendency to put in silly comic-relief in fast-forward motion, so I'm really glad he didn't do that to show Maria cleaning the room - but how else could she have done it?
Soyyo
La Estrella del Barrio
My only comment: After seeing how quickly María cleaned Jorge Alberto's room, can she clean my place? or at least share her speedy secret!"
Amen sister! She can come and help me organize my quilt fabric.
I thought the first week was pretty darn cheesy. But Jorge Salinas won me over in LQNPA so I have to see him again. I suppose after all the crises in AB the comic relief is welcome.
Sue455, La Dama de las Quesadillas
P.S. I'm a cook who works at a grill station at lunch so the name is accurate. It sure sounds better in Spanish than it does in English which would be "Grilled Cheese Lady."
I'm a little bummed out because my recording cut off just as Alfredo was giving his condition to Coloso before even beginning to sing... that calls for an extra sip of Tequila.
Anita, you are right, the large American flag in Derecho's office is displayed upside down... switching to Kentucky Bourbon in protest.
Coloso made me smile in that last scene as he stood there stroking his chicken and shouted "...ve abriendote la puerta..."
This is clearly mocking a scene from the movie and corrido La Muerte de un Gallero which stars Antonio Aguilar in which the bad guy who is cradling his cock in the same way looks up from the fight arena and shouts "¡Cierren las puertas, Señores!"
I was going to link to a clip containing the scene and the song but thought better of it since it is so violent.
Carlos
As one of those who had seen the original Betty and was watching LFMB, I also understand the pleasure in comparing and contrasting, but I never really considered what it was like for those who hadn't seen the original.
I'm not saying there's a right or wrong approach. I don't want to dampen anyone's enjoyment of this show, the recaps, and the ability to discuss them with others, but sometimes one person's enjoyment is another person's annoyance. It's important to me that everyone understand that when a recapper deletes a comment, it's not because we're on some kind of power trip. We're just trying to keep it fun for everyone, or as close as we can get it, and we're making it up as we go along, so please bear with us.
point well taken. if you consider that any of my comments are out of order or spoilers, feel free to delete them. i don't mind.
I am trying not to spoil it for anyone or cause anyone to not have a good time watching this.
So I will refrain to even mention the original as much as i can and limit my comments to the current version we are all enjoying.
So Coloso et al call him Pocho and Rigo called him Vato.
Anita, La Dama del Queso
Anita, La Dama de los Quesos
-Vivi, La Flor de Jamaica
What is this about the Univision episodes not lining up with the original broadcast? Are they just shaving seconds here and there, dropping whole scenes, or omitting subplots? I gather they may be running over the time slot, but that doesn't seem enough to account for one and a half episodes a night.
neither the episodes i have seen nor the recaps of those i haven't seem choppy or particularly rushed. If they can cram a show and a half into a broadcast hour without doing violence to the original, does that suggest it needed the tightening anyway?
The singer, Coloso, who is so possessive of the protagonists Maria, is conducting an affair with the boss's daughter and abandoned some woman after pledging everlasting love? Not setting him up as a sympathetic guy, are they?
In general, there doesn't seem to be a lot of grey between the good guys and the baddies here, or am I missing hints of moral ambiguity and subtle characterization? So far the most complex character seems to be the dead father who was a trial to his wife but idolized by his daughter.
Chris in FL
The normal length of a Televisa episode is 38-43 minutes. It is therefore possible to fit 1.5 of those episodes into a commercial-free hour.
This is what Univision probably did with UFCS and other novelas in recent years when Telemundo debuts a series at the same time.
Back to our story: We don't have the entire backstory of Oscar and Gloria. We learned from last night's episode that his mother is dead. He behaves respectfully to Maria's mother. I am guessing for the moment that he doesn't know about Rodrigo.
Thanks all. The first 2/3 portion is up and I'm hurriedly typing up the last portion.
Jardinera654, La Dueña del Recamara
Thanks so much for this part one. Love the snark. I too would love to have someone clean as quickly as Maria did : ) Love the way she decorated Santos/Alfredo's little place. She has a good eye.
Mil Amores so has a touch with the ladies.
El Celoso is too funny with his strutting.
I agree with you Jardinera, I think Amalia has some form of arthritis that requires some type of shot. She keeps rubbing her hands and wrists.
Looking forward to your Part Two.
The sad thing about prostitutes is that many of them enter that profession with short-term gain in mind and end up stuck because it follows them in their rep. This woman is probably more typical than anyone thinks.
Kudos for 'posse musical,' 'Los Alphas,' 'hoopty car,' 'Maria's Merry Maid Miracle,' 'singing for his supper is not an option'
Sorry, but I don't care that Sra. Casada is being mistreated by her hub. El Mil, despite all his philosophy of how to treat women, is still doing wrong.
When are the Rolling Stones coming to L.A. anyway? We need a timeline, pronto.
It could be rheumatoid arthritis. My father was diagnosed with r.a. in his hands. They were extremely sensitive to touch & temperature. Then it just went away. Amalia has something more that just that in order to require injections. It could be osteoporosis, (wrist fractures are a common type of osteoporotic fractures) but not treated by daily injections. My guess is that it involves diabetes--that also affects the extremities, but she would need more than one daily injection.
Maybe we're just not meant to get into the weeds with this. Either they will get around to telling us or it will remain a mystery disease.
Just luuuuuve watching Jorge Alfredo's facial expression, the way he moves--but glad we didn't get any gratuitous shirtlessnes after his shower (while I want more over there on AV).
[Hooray, part dos is up--be back later.]
Anita, La Dama del Queso
Thanks for this fab Part Two of your recap.
It's was such a shame when Alfredo started to sing, it was very weak, and didn't sound like the night before with the organ grinder. I can't wait for Monday night to find out if Maria is really going to be fired.
The scene with El Coloso and Gloria reminded me of DA cause they looked like they were among the agaves. I wonder what happened to break them up?
I really liked when El Coloso's mariachi mobile broke down in the middle of traffic. Some instant karma maybe : )
This novela has the life of its own.
Alegria
Coloso's conversation with Prudencia was cute. She was gushing about what a cute couple Maria and Alfredo make. He made a face and when she asked what was wrong he said that his stomach was churning. She suggested that maybe he needed a purgative.
When Coloso's Nacowagon broke down I thought that we were going to have an opportunity for Alfredo to demonstrate his mechanic skills. I wonder if he had it towed or just abandoned it in the street.
One minor annoyance for me has been the way the trumpet players both treat their instruments. Clearly neither play the trumpet. No one who actually plays the trumpet would ever blow his horn as though it were some sot of party noise maker.
Carlos
Heck, he can fly a plane, drive a big rig, sing Mariachi...
Fix a car... how hard could that be? He sells them after all.
Carlos
I figure Santos knows how to fix cars, maybe learned as a teenager, it would be impossible to fake it.
I'm intrigued by Amalia's illness. I happen to take an injectable medication that's prescribed at 2 shots per week. Even knowing that, I still, when I see someone on a show who needs injections, assume it's for diabetes. The same way whenever a character faints, I think "pregnant!" even though IRL there are multiple reasons for fainting.
If his dad is a diplomat I'll bet he never learned how. Flying a plane, however, is realistic; that's a rich man's toy. He could also have once been in the military.
It will be impossible to fake; that much is certain.
TN Cliche (we need to renumber them): No father ever notices that his daughter is dressed like a cualquiera. Not to mention hair in a color so fake it stands out like a neon light.
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Thanks, amig@s. Glad you enjoyed it. I really had fun with this recap. I was ROTFLOL with the tryout scene at the end, especially when I reviewed the tape and saw Pablo and the rooster's "response" to JA's singing fiasco. I'm still getting the giggles thinking aout it. Talk about comedic timing--if Pablo does one thing right when he acts, it's that.
Most people in the band and the bar are either siding with Coloso thinking 'Jorge Alfredo' is a liar, or are neutral... maybe after monday's ep, there will be more defined 'teams'.
This is very similar in comparison with the original, where the landlord was charging 'Jorge' $5 per day or so(according to the conversion the leading man himself stated) and also wanted to be paid weekly in advance.
That would be a great weekend topic of who we would like to see in a romantic comedy that only normally do dramas.
Laughed at your omment about JA and not being shirtless. Over at La Patrona we got a long scene where we saw everything but the family jewles and it looked like the actress got the Full Monty. We've been drooling ever since.
Man I could use a housekeeper/decorator like Maria.
I'm kind of glad to see a novela that seems to be falling nto the color traditional mode. Too many lately have been overy dramatic and/or violent.
Laughed at your omment about JA and not being shirtless. Over at La Patrona we got a long scene where we saw everything but the family jewles and it looked like the actress got the Full Monty. We've been drooling ever since.
Man I could use a housekeeper/decorator like Maria.
I'm kind of glad to see a novela that seems to be falling nto the color traditional mode. Too many lately have been overy dramatic and/or violent.
As a retired librarian, I guess I'll take the mariachi name of La Reina de los Libros.
La Paloma/La Reina de los Libros.
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